okay so what so what's your what's your question what's your contention how do we verify any truth somebody comes to you and they say this event is true how do you verify that the grammatical the structures are you going okay it says sad that the guy just walked away i wanted to get a conversation with him but maybe clearly the evidence was too heavy for him and then they deny the message which is kufa which is to conceal to cover up to hide the truth that person on the day of judgment we know that allah says they will go to hell because they were convinced and they still denied sorry i missed that where are they going to hell fire but today i have perfected your religion for you and chose islam as your religion no what do you don't believe in what are you indifferent about it's encyclopedia it's just like facts and figures yeah no what are you indifferent about is what's asking me there's nothing to believe or disbelieve in that yeah and it's just like movies yeah no what you said you're indifferent about doing the statements makes no difference and that's what they're all dead no what is it i don't understand your point i'm not sure what does death have to do with the reality of what someone said just new orleans what's what's the way forward say what you mean mean what you say is that and is that a new thing what do you want to say about it no no no i'm asking i'm asking you a question i'm just looking okay don't worry i'm not i'm not trying to i'm just asking you what are you looking for you're searching for something i'm here there's nothing here i'm here you've come here i know i'm interested i understand so i'm asking you a question you don't have to answer you can say i don't know what to say there's nothing to say you don't have no comments you can say actually we want you to find the path that's what we're doing what do you mean it's like what are you saying we feel like that again we feel that our search has come today if you answer it for me then you're having a conversation with yourself it's only meaningful if you're gonna have a conversation off yeah because we're trying to have a conversation it's better that we sort of have a nice discussion you're on a different path we can help we can have a nice discussion and you can disagree and i can disagree but that's fine we can partly as friends can't we oh sure yes is that all right does that sound good sounds great so as a muslim we feel that we have been given a path that we have many of us have verified to be the right path to give us the meaning of life the meaning of death and the afterlife and meaning to that as well and so what we would like to do which is what the quran instructs us to do is that part of the success of a human being is in uh giving the good to people and forbidding the evil something that is bad for them so in other words giving them good counsel good advice and the best advice and the best counsel for us is to inshallah invite people to islam which is that which is which gives you a a beautiful life that safeguards you for many of the perils and the hardships of life um and gives you the chance of uh a good afterlife which is powerful do you know anyone who's come back to tell you what's about no but do you base your opinion solely on a eyewitness testimony of an event before you accept it to be true but if i bought if i if i sold you a car yes you don't want to see it before you drive it you want to give me the money first i've actually bought cars i've bought cars lighter have you yeah that's pretty faithful very faithful thank you faithful faithful or i weigh up the balance of probabilities for example i'll give you an example so if mercedes mercedes dealership are saying if mercedes dealership are saying to me buy this car it has full warranty these are all the photographs the specs and everything else and i've driven that car before i have no problem i'll buy the car even online because i have a full warranty i can have the car inspected verified that it is in fact what they said it is or i can get my money back right so the reality so with the second private trader well uh if you go to manhattan auctions for example you're allowed 24 hours right no no you don't you raised it you said something you said but you said something assuming that i wouldn't know but if you buy a car from manam auction for example you have 24 hours to return the vehicle if there's any major faults in the vehicle or the or the description was incorrect so let's move to your next point that depends on the level you're talking about why are you drifting further and further back why are you relaxing relax nearer relax fear don't worry i don't bite okay so what's your what's your question what's your contention how do we verify any truth somebody comes to you and they say this event is true how do you verify that well there are certain logical ways that one could verify that number one you would say well who is this individual that's telling me this what's that what how do i verify are they a truthful person are they honest person are they mentally sane are they is there multiple testimony to an event for example so if there's more than one witness to something so for example let's say somebody says to me a small aircraft had engine failure and it landed on park lane how do i verify whether something like that happened if there's no video footage well i'll verify it because if i have multiple eyewitness testimony from teachers doctors lawyers road cleaners you know all different types of people in society who all say that they saw that happening on balance of probability i would assume that it probably did happen is that is that fair madam i've acted out an actual train crash yes an actual train crash right and this was just before the bomb went off in the bus right and i was on the radio i went so my point to you was that how do we verify any type of event from happening now with the prophet muhammed peace be upon him we have two main sources i would say three main sources of information and evidence that when we corroborate together we have a firm confirm uh uh uh conclusion in our minds that what the reality of an afterlife angels existing etc etc now what are those evidences number one we have the testimony of the prophet muhammad peace be upon him himself and we have revelation that he uh is transmitting to human beings which has many uh tests that one can apply to verify its authenticity that it is indeed from god almighty and then we have the companions many eyewitnesses and corroborating evidence and information to justify our belief in what we are told to believe and we have the character of course so we have history we have all sorts of different foods yes so now when we pull all that evidence together on balance of probability we realize very quickly even as a non-arab speaker that this quran could not have been the works of a man in a desert in the 7th century who was commonly known to be umi unlettered so he could not read or write okay we actually when we investigate the quran and we look at the quran and the miraculous nature of the quran we are convinced even as non-arabs that this book could not have come from a man in a desert in the 7th century or any men when we investigate the phenomena that the quran raises about nature or about human beings and how they should reflect we realize very quickly that this is not the works of a man in the desert in the seventh century so what we conclude as many have concluded i'll give you one example and i've raised this example many times professor raymond an american professor who wanted to study classical arabic nobody spoke to him about islam somebody simply suggested why don't you have a look at the quran because it is a classical form of arabic upon studying the structures of the quran the grammatical the structures are you going okay he soon realized that actually this work could not have been constructed by any human being and as a consequence he accepted islam without any dawah without anybody coming to him so as i say when we piece together all these evidences it becomes quite overwhelming it says sad that the guy just walked away i wanted to get a conversation with him but maybe clearly the evidence was too heavy for him you know one thing that we need to remember is that you know there are people on the day of judgement who will have problems major problems one is the one who investigates islam for example realizes that it is true comes to the realization that it is true and then they deny the message which is kufa which is to conceal to cover up to hide the truth that person on the day of judgment we know that allah says they will go to hell because they were convinced and they still denied sorry i missed that where are they going to hell fire hellfire oh where is that i'll explain that to you in a minute but you know we'll all find out when we die now the second person who is also in big trouble on the day of judgment is the one who lives in grafla carefree doesn't care whether it's true or it's false just wants to continue their life and be their own god their own master and that person is also in a great trial and a great tribulation and great trouble on the day of judgment so to not even be interested of the reality of something is also a major problem and a major sin and in islam is punishable but if somebody out of good faith they are investigating and they don't find the truth then for them they might be a different test on the day of judgment allah is merciful right allah does not want to punish people but you can't live in rafala in ignorance and perpetual ignorance and neither can you deny the truth when it reaches you especially when you accept it so we have people today who don't even want to enter into a conversation because they realize where it might go and that's a shame really now your question madam you said where is hellfire i'm kind of interested because i haven't read the quote sister why don't you come forward what's your name anita please come forward no no no i'm right here i'd i'd rather have a nice conversation with you no problem if you refused then i would respect your refusal okay okay well because i'm looking yes and i'm saying okay where is hellfire where does it fit in your quran okay i haven't read the quran okay no problem i've read the bible i understand i understand so are you asking for the actual location or yeah okay that's very good question everybody's got their own take yes on hellfire yes and i'm hoping that there isn't a ball that's going to roll down from the sky so what it is what it is my sister is that all we know is the universe that we have okay what is outside of it we have no knowledge of that so it falls outside of our knowledge and our realm of visual understanding and visual uh you know expression now what hellfire is allah explains it in the quran it is a blazing fire a blazing flame okay and allah says that when allah created hell he sent created allah created hell that's right yes when allah created hell yeah allah said uh to the angels uh to the end to the angel actually to gibraltin that uh see hellfire and and then he said by by allah anyone who knows of it he is of it will never enter it never want to enter it then allah filled it with pleasures of this world okay you know with all the ills of this world temptations of this world and then jibreel alayhi salam prophet gabriel's uh angel gabriel said by allah i fear that nobody will escape it because humankind knowing how human beings are yeah then he went to paradise all right and then allah says obviously not in this of course so we don't say that this universe is paradise or has paradise we believe that allah says on the day of judgement we will fold up this universe and destroy it so this is the creation this one yes this universe so it's going to be so we'll have the end of the world end of the world end of the universe everything that is born must die everything that is born the mustard in fact we believe even the angels will die even the prophets will die even angel gabriel will die and then everyone will be resurrected only allah only like no we don't have exact time frames no but you see my sister the question here is this why should we believe in hell okay why should we believe in heaven i'm listening that's the point why should we believe that any of this is true because just because somebody comes up with an interesting story it doesn't make it true exactly so as human beings right it could be hearsay it could be wishful thinking it could just be an imagination or it could be uh it could be somebody insane just coming up with ideas right okay so how do we verify something to give it the credence and the importance and the weight that is necessary to take it seriously so allah says something very interesting in the quran allah says do they not ponder on this quran don't you think about this as to where it's come from okay had it come from anyone other than your lord surely within it you would have found many errors and contradictions when you come back your lord are you going allah or you're going almighty there is only one lord there is only one creator there is only one god there is only one allah they're all the same they're all the same sorry you accept christ the king you say we believe that jesus peace be upon him is one of the mightiest messengers of god but allah says something very important in the quran to us muslims and to the people who would read the quran do they not ponder on the similitude of adam we created adam from neither mother nor father in other words jesus is a miracle of allah created without a father but we created adam without mother or father okay so who would you say came first jesus jesus or allah we no we believe allah always existed and will always exist okay we believe everything else brother one second eternally not a problem so we believe everything else is creation we'll have a beginning and have an end okay and it will be resurrected again if allah wishes but allah we believe is pre-eternal post-eternal so there's no beginning no end right now even within christianity the father is regarded to be eternal pre-eternal post-eternal now some christians say that jesus is eternally begotten from the father but that simply me right but that well that's not the view of all christians by the way right okay now when you beget that is a [ __ ] function of creating or coming from passing on that function cannot be eternal because it requires the initial entity to exist before it can beget so even amongst the christians it doesn't make sense to say eternal with jesus okay now as muslims we believe that to worship anything other than the creator is blasphemy is idolatry and it's completely forbidden we believe that none of the prophets did that and we believe neither did jesus do that right because we believe like for example and i'm not saying this actually happened but the bible does say in the garden of gethsemane when jesus prays to god almighty he puts his face onto the ground and he worships his lord he prays to him he pleads to him if you can lift this cup from me if you can relieve me from this turmoil this tribulation we believe that anything that prays to something cannot be god almighty because that means that you are subservient you are under the law you are under control and you are reliant on the one that you pray to so our concept i believe as muslims is actually closer to the core teachings we believe that all of the prophets had which is that god is one god is absolute there are no partners to god and god is pre and post-eternal he relies on nobody or nothing and we don't have this concept for example of original sin so we don't believe that a person can inherit the sin of his father because the quran says no soul can bear the burden of another you are responsible for your mistakes you are responsible for your sins and if you repent allah says with sincerity we will forgive you without the price of blood without a sacrifice without a killing of anyone allah out of his mercy of his perfect mercy only requires sincerity and the intention not to repeat the sin and a person feeling genuine guilt that i've done something wrong ya allah forgive me this is enough for you to be forgiven and allah says even if your sins stretch from the earth to the heavens and you turn to me with sincerity i will forgive you so this is the mercy it should be a judgment so this is the mercy in islam my sister what i find in christianity is a transformation of a message predominantly by paul which actually does not agree with i believe the core teachings of any of the prophets so for example all of the prophets had a law that you had to abide by you know they ate the covenant with abraham was an eternal covenant circumcision who are the people today who are circumcised jews are circumcised a very small minority to be fair a very small minority of christians do circumcise yes jesus and muslims uphold the covenant as well we are circumcised and this was a sign of the people who would be the true followers of the of the prophets okay so we believe that we abide by those laws jesus never consumed ham pork the muslims do not consume pork jesus bowed his head onto the ground and in the bible there are some 20 or 30 references of other prophets putting their faces onto the ground and worshiping their lord we worship in the same way so my sister what you find is you find a continuation of a message that is true to the original message that all of the prophets gave and we don't attribute partners with god we do not worship muhammad peace be upon him we do not worship jesus peace be upon him we respect him we revere him we in fact i have sometimes talks in the masjid in the mosque about moses about abraham about jesus about muhammad peace be upon all of them we revere them we respect them when we worship none of them we worship none of them that's the that's the difference that's that's what i believe that's fantastic so let me ask you a question sister what stops you from accepting the last prophet because you accept all of the other prophets right you accept abraham noah moses we're made up of you know roman catholic church of things big mixed mushrooms yes yeah we all have an opinion i understand you know so we worship no one but what i'm asking you my sister is this why have you stopped at jesus why don't you accept all of the prophets including the last weeks but what i'm saying is the prophets why don't you accept all of the prophets of god including the last prophet there are too many doesn't matter there are numerous there are thousands as i hear about that obviously because you you're not born with the knowledge like of course every single prophet of course in every single religion yes i mean as you drive fast in transport yes you see a new church spring up yes and you think oh they know about this religion you know yes so then you have a look online and you see if there is anything about it yes if not i come [Laughter] did you know that to be a muslim do you know what the two things you must believe in yeah go on fundamentally of course there are other beliefs that you must have as well you must believe that allah is the only one worthy of worship and that prophet muhammad peace be upon him is his messenger anyone who believes that by definition is a muslim of course you have to accept the articles of faith such as you have to accept all of the prophets you have to accept all of the books that were revealed in their in their true original revelation so the original words of jesus which would be their injeel to us so you would say that in the quran you have mixtures of the books of revelation as well as the odds and everything no no what we believe what we believe is allah sent down a revelation according to the needs of the society at the time so we believe for example we believe that jesus was sent to bani israel to the people of israel now the bible actually funny enough does say that as well i have not come but to the lost sheep of the house of israel so jesus is saying i've come to correct these jews because their religion has now changed over time and it's lost the true spirituality and connection to god and it's become a book of rules yeah now we believe that actually jesus did probably say this yeah that i've come to the lost sheep of the house of israel now we also do believe though alas as the scriptures were changed and manipulated as they were fabricated the allah sent down correction where people had made a mistake or they've gone wrong and so this is why we believe that allah sent now prophet muhammad peace be upon him as the final messenger as a seal of the prophets and we believe that the last revelation allah says in the quran today i have perfected your religion for you and chose islam as your religion right so do you want to do the shahada with me sister i don't know how to do it i'll do it with you i will do it with you so i'll do in english first okay i testify that there is none worthy of worship that there is except allah congratulations brothers and sisters if you like that video please click on this one inshallah inshallah you'll enjoy