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Summary of Joe Rogan Podcast Episode with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day I like them cuz they keep people from locking in but one of the things that I wanted to make sure um I did in this conversation is not interrupt you because uh it's it's very frustrating for me when um I'm I'm hearing people talk in these what should be long form conversations about very important and nuanced things and you know I think one of the things that happens is people are very concerned with letting you say things that is going to get them in trouble or get their channel in trouble like there's a there's people that are doing a lot of self- censoring and I think they're doing that also when they're having these conversations with you because they want to establish right away that they have problems with you and they have problems with some of the positions that a lot of people have problems with I was one of those people so when I had heard of you in the past before I had read your book and before I'd met you I had no information on you but there was this narrative and this narrative was you were antiva and you were you believed in pseudo science and you were kind of Looney I didn't look into it at all I just took it at face value because that's what everybody had said and in my mind vaccines have been one of the most important medical advancements in human history saved countless lives protected children and I I thought very strongly that they were important I didn't have any information on that either this is also just a narrative that I adopted from cursory reading of news articles and you know not really getting into the subject at all then the pandemic happens and I had quite a few very reasonable liberal people people rational people people that I I I trusted their mind recommend the real Anthony fouchy your book and I'm like Robert Kennedy wrote a book about the about Anthony fouchy like what is this going to be about this is my initial reaction you've got this what I perceive to be a kind of fringy thinking you know almost conspiracy theorist type person that's not based in fact what their argument was and he had written a book on Anthony fouchy and this was right around the time where I was you know I was very concerned with the way things were going that people were just blindly trusting that there was only one way out of this that was that was kind of bothering me particularly when I had known that so many people had gotten the virus had been fine so I'm like well what is what's the reality of this so then I read the book and I've talked about it multiple times on the podcast but if what you were saying in that book was not true I do not understand how you are not being sued you you you would instantly immediately be sued the book was very successful it sold a lot of copies but it was mysteriously absent from certain certain bestseller lists people were not promoting that book at all but through word of mouth and through the time that we live in through this time where there was so much uncertainty and people were very confused and also suspicious they were suspicious that they're being told a very a narrative and they were starting to remember that hey this has happened in the past these kind of narratives about medications these they have happened in the past they just never happened where this like the whole country is being convinced that this is the way to do it so I read your book and by the end of the book it was so it was so disturbing that sometimes I had to put it away and just read fiction for a few days I was like I don't want this in my head right now you know cuz I listen on audio and a lot of times I'm listening in the sauna so I'm listening while I'm already getting tortured so right it's 185 degrees and I'm listening to this this book that if it's telling the truth just about the AIDS crisis just about the AIDS crisis just about the use of act just about the all of it all of it um so I I had i' seen numerous interviews with you and you know uh you seemed very reasonable and very rational and then I was like is this possible that this is the guy that's telling the truth is this possible that everyone that I know that had these strong opinions of you that most of them at least were like me they had formed these opinions through a glance at a headline someone talking about you on a on a on a television show and so uh then we run into each other and ask just randomly that was the weirdest moment cuz we were both staring at each other yeah and then we almost did it like a full 360 yeah yeah I yeah I noticed you walking I'm like that's that is so I said hey what's up so um so first of all I wanted to ask you if you could just please explain how you got into these controversial positions in the first Place why how did you adopt these these opinions that people find so controversial because you started out as uh an environmental guy right yeah yeah and I and I'll say one thing about that book is that it um it is depressing to read and like my wife could not read it she she was going to read it out of loyalty to me and I just said you can't do that because it would have depressed her so much you know and I'm this is not a good advertisement for this book but it's you know she there's so much about documentation of corruption and you know the sort of brutality towards children and and I didn't want her reading that her life is about making people laugh making people joyful you know which is which is its own contribution to kind of global Health you know people who can make you laugh are doing you doing something for you that is going to probably extend your lifetime you look at you know I look at Norman leer you know who's like 96 years old or whatever and he he's look like 50 and Carl Riner and all these people who you know laugh there's something about laughter that makes you know that is good for you and um and so it you know I admire anybody who who took it on to read that whole book and and made it through I I I was you know kind of one of the leading environmentalists in the country I I founded I started I went to work for commercial fisherman on the Hudson River in 1983 when I first got sober and I um I wanted to do something with my life that I you know that I felt drawn to and I'd always been an outdoors person I'd always been a fisherman and Outdoors Wildlife kayaking and all that stuff and I went to work for a commercial fisherman on the Hudson River uh we began suing polluters they purchased a patrol boat began patrolling the river and we sued I while I was there we sued over 500 polluters we forced polluters to spend almost 5 billion dollar on remediation the Hudson and today you know partially as a result of our work the Hudson is now the richest waterway in the North Atlantic it produces more biomass per gallon more pounds of fish per acre than any other waterway in the Atlantic Ocean north the Equator the miraculous resurrection and when I first started working on the Hudson it caught fire it was dead it was dead water zero dissolved oxygen for 20 miles north of New York City 20 mil south of Albany no life in it wow um it caught fire it was that polluted it caught fire it would turn colors every week depending on what color they were painting the trucks at the GM plant in ter town you know it was really my father toured it and 1967 and it was just it was regarded as a national joke well today it's an it's an international model for ecosystem protection and the miraculous Resurrection it's the only waterway in the North Atlantic that still has strong spawning stocks of all of its historical species of migratory fish of the animous fish like strip as sturgeon Haring alwives um blue crab Etc um and the uh and miraculous this Resurrection the Hudson inspired the creation of New River Keepers we copyrighted the name and we started helping these other groups get started and today is the biggest water protection group in the world so we have 350 water Keepers each one has a patrol boat each one patrols their local Waterway and they sue polluters and we're in 46 countries so in 2005 I was representing a bunch of uh water keepers all over the United States and in the provinces of Canada suing coal burning power plants and cement kils for discharging Mercury two years before 2003 the uh National Academy of Sciences and the FDA had published a report like a five-year study that showed that every freshwater fish in America at dangerous levels of mercury in its flesh with CDC simultaneously a study that showed that one out of every six American women had levels high enough in her Core Blood in or that her child would have some kind of intellectual deficiency like lost IQ Etc and where's the Mercury coming from the Mercury was largely coming from coal burning power plants it's in the geology in the coal and it precipitates out you know when there's rain if you when you burn the coal it's in the you know it's an element so it doesn't degrade and when the rain comes it falls onto the Landscapes then it washes off the Landscapes into the rivers and the fish were all contaminated we know that salwater fish like the big predatory species have mercury but the freshwater fish are just as bad and it struck me then that we were living in a science fiction nightmare where my children and the children of every other American could now no longer engage in the seminal Primal activity of American Youth that I had grown up with of your parents taking you to the local fishing hole and then coming home and safely eating the fish you can't do that anymore in the United States of America or anywhere in North America and so we started suing coal plants and cement kills which were the primary contributor of mercury and there were a lot of people suing coal plants back then but they were suing them for other reasons for ozone particulates for acid rain for uh for carbon Etc and we were focus the water Keepers were mainly focused on Mercury so I was also pushing legislation about Mercury lobbying uh EPA to to reduce it and I was giving lectures all over the place so these women start showing up at every lecture that I give public lectures and they would come and sit in the front seat occupy the front they come early occupy the front row and then afterwards they'd stay late and they would ask to talk to me and um they would say to me in a in a very respectful and by the way these women were very all looked kind of similar they were very pulled together they were you know child they were women in childbearing years as it turns out they were all the mothers of intellectually disabled children and they believed that their children had been injured by the vaccines by Mercury and the vaccines so um I uh so they would say to me in kind of a a respectful but vaguely scolding way if you're really interested in uh in Mercury contamination to exposure to Children you need to look at the vaccines now this is something I didn't want to do because I you know I first of all I'm not a public health person I wanted to do environmental stuff second of all I've been involved since I was a little kid in the whole area of intellectual disabilities my family was part of the DNA of my family my aunt had been intellectually disabled my aunt Rosemary M Unis shrier who was my godmother founded Special Olympics in 1969 but she she was called before it was called Special Olympics it was called Camp Shriver she lived 10 minutes from my house and I would go over there every weekend to be a hugger and a coach in Special Olympics and then when I was in uh when I was in high school because this was so much part of my family DNA I spent 200 hours in was going for [ __ ] um you know working doing service um so but it wasn't something I wanted to do with my life other people in my family were devoting their lives to that my cousin Anthony Shriver uh started best buddies and and many other people my family had written a lot of the legislation that protected people and gave rights to people with intellectual disabilities my father had kicked down the door and um you know of the of the big of Willowbrook which was a big hospital uh in Staten Island so my family was deeply involved but it was not what I wanted to do with my life but these women kept continually want to say harassing me but they were following me and it was different ones at every speech and one of them got and I was like I you know I was I did enough research to show that the public health authorities were saying that they these women were crazy but they didn't look crazy to me and they were rational they weren't excitable and they had done their research and I was like I should be listening to these people even if they're wrong somebody needs to listen to them I mean you know and by the way I had you know I'd worked on the Hudson River with the commercial fisherman and I'd seen so many times when the scientists were wrong and the commercial fishermen were right about what was happening in the Hudson River um one time I'll just give you an example the uh the commercial fisherman came to me and said all the gold fish are dying um up in the Wallkill Creek and and I went up they said will you help us get to the because there's a new sewer plant up there that's discharging chlorine it's hard to kill a goldfish they're one of the most Hardy species in you can pour oil on a goldfish and it won't do anything it won't hurt it and um I went up to uh to the Department of enironmental Conservation they said there are no goldfish in the Hudson River well these were people who I'd watched them catch goldfish in the Hudson so anyway that was just part part of the background of my you know little bit of skepticism about government scientists that they're not always right that sometime you have to listen to people and that Human Experience is valid and that if a woman tell if a woman tells you something about her child you need you should listen and so then one of these women came to my home and she found my home in hyannisport at a little Bungalow and her name was Sarah Bridges she was a psychologist from Minnesota and she found my home she came to it she put a she took out of the trunk of her car a pile of scientific studies that was 18 inches thick she put it on my front porch my stoop and then she rang the bell and then she pointed to that pile and she said I'm not leaving here do you read those and her as it turns out her son Porter Bridges had been a perfectly healthy kid got a battery of of vaccines when he was two and lost the ability to speak he lost the ability to um he lost his toilet training um he began headbanging engag and other stereotypical Behavior like uh stemming uh hand flapping toe walking and got an autism diagnosis and the vaccine Court had awarded her $20 million for acknowledging that the child had gotten autism from the vaccines and she didn't want it to happen to other kids and so I started I sat down with this pile of studies and I'm used to reading science I'm very comfortable reading it I wanted to be a scientist when I was a little kid and my life my legal career has been about science it's you know virtually all the the cases that I've been involved with hundreds and hundreds of cases almost all of them involve some scientific controversy and so I'm comfortable with reading science and and I know how to read it critically I know how to look for the flaws in it and you know out way the the attribute weight to various studies Etc and I sat down while she was there and I read through the abstracts of these studies one after the other and before I was six inches down in that pile I recognized that there was this huge Delta between what the public health agencies were saying were telling us about vaccine safety and what the actual peer-reviewed publish science was saying then I took the next step which is I started calling people high level public officials and I had access to everyone I called Francis Collins I called Marie McCormick who ran the Institute of medicine at the National Academy of Sciences I called Kathleen Straton at the National Academy of Sciences was a chief staffer and I was asking her about these studies and I realized during these conversations that none of these people had read any of the science they were just repeating things that they had been told about the science and then and they kept saying to me well I can't answer that detailed question you need to talk to Paul offen well Paul offen is a vaccine developer who made $186 million deal with Merc on the RO of virus vaccine and it would be it was odd to me that government Regulators were saying you should talk to somebody in the industry it's like if I you know I used to talk to EPA people all the time asking him what what does this provision mean in the permit why did you put it in there and if they said to me I don't know why don't you go talk to the coal industry or this lobbyist for the coal industry and he will tell you what we're doing I would have been very you know puzzled and indignant it was weird to me that the the top Regulators in the country were telling me go talk to somebody who's an industry Insider because we don't understand the science and when I talked to him I caught him in a lie and both of us knew that he was lying and that and both of us recognized that he was lying and at that point I was like what was the LIE well I asked him this question I said why is it that CDC and and every state um regulator recommends that um that pregnant women do not eat tuna fish to avoid the Mercury but that CDC is recommending Mercury containing flu shots with huge Bolis do of mercury I mean massive doses to pregnant women in every trimester of pregnancy and he said to me he said um well Bobby in this kind of patronizing way and by the way when I talked to Paul offet he started the conversation he was very enthusiastic and he said you know your father was my hero the reason I got into public service and public health was because I was inspired by by your father so that kind of you know I'm susceptible like anybody else kind of that kind of flattery so I was inclined to like the guy but then he said this I asked him about how can you be you know telling people not to eat women not to eat tuna fish but giving him a flu shot that has you know these huge Doses and he said well Bobby there are there's two kinds of mercury there's a good Mercury and there's a bad Mercury and the minute he said and I knew there's a different kind of mercury in the vaccines it's it's ethyl mercury in the vaccines and methyl mercury in the fish but I know a lot of by then you can imagine I know a lot about Mercury I've been suing people when you sue somebody and you get a PhD and that you know more than anybody in the world you have to or you're not going to win your lawsuit so I knew a lot about Mercury and I knew that his argument was not with me but it was with the periodic tables because there's no such thing as a good Mercury and also knew the history of why he was saying that because you know Mercury was added to vaccines in a form called therol in 1932 and Eli Lily which was a manufacturer was because people knew then that mercury was horrendously neurotoxic Mercury is a thousand times more neurotoxic than lead you would never get shoot lead into your baby why was ther mosol introduced in it was allegedly introduced as a preservative but it doesn't kill uh it doesn't kill uh streptococus or any of the other contaminants you would be worried about in fact it kills brain cells at 130th the dose that it takes to kill streptococus or staticus staus so it wasn't a good preservative what what NIH admitted to me in 2016 the real reason was there as an adant an adant is a a toxic material that they add dead virus vaccines to amplify the uh the immune response so your body when when I mean this is kind of getting into the weeds but a live virus vaccine if they give it to you it can spread the disease it can mutate and you and spread the disease that's why most of the polio today 70% of the polio today is vaccine polio that came from the vaccines um but so The Regulators expressed a preference for dead virus vaccines the dead virus vaccine however will not produce a durable or robust immune response enough to get a license the way you get a license for a vaccine is showing that you got an antibody response for a certain amount of time and that it's a strong antibody response but the dead virus vaccine won't produce that but vaccinologists figured out that if you add something horrendously toxic to the vaccine that your body confuses that toxic product you add it with the de antigen which is the viral particle the your body confuses that toxin with the viral particle and gets frightened and mounts this huge humongous immune response the next time it sees that virus the the immune response is there so they at that point vaccinologists went around searching around the world to find the most horrendously toxic materials to add to vaccines and there's a montra in vaccinology that the more toxic the the agement the more robust the immune response and so that's why toxicologists and vaccinologists don't get along with each other because the toxicologist would say to the vaccinologist well I understand it gave you your immune response but then what is the fate of that in your body where is it going is it being excreted is it being lodged in the brain is it penetrating the blood brain barrier and the vaccinologist could not answer those questions and did not want to so they basically move the toxicologist out of these you know out of the vaccine whole the whole vaccine Universe anyway what um so when it was added in 1932 the industry said Eli Lily said um well the reason because everybody was saying how can you put mercury into a child who would do that and they said well it's a different kind of mercury it's e Mercury and the E Mercury is excreted very quickly so it won't stay in your body they had no science to say that but that's what they were saying for years and then in 2003 a CDC scientist called Piero did a study where he gave tuna sandwiches that were Mercury you know contaminated to children and they and then measured their blood and the Mercury from the tuna sandwich was there halflife 64 days later so it was still there 64 days and he injected the children with Mercury from a vaccine and that mercury disappeared from their blood within a week and this kind of confirmed what Eli Lily had said in 1932 oh it disappears really quickly from the body and that was published I I believe in the L ler Pediatrics but immediately the journal began getting letters from people including this famous scientist called Dr Boyd Haley was the head of he's the chair of that chemistry Department of the University of Kentucky and he said what but what happened to the Mercury cuz pider couldn't find it in the children's urine or in their feces or in their hair or sweat or nails so where is it and then and NIH actually then commissioned a study and they because they at that point they were really trying to figure out you know whether this was dangerous and they commissioned a very famous scientist is called Thomas burbacher up at the University of Washington Seattle to do a study with monkeys with Maxs and he did the same study Piera did but he did something you can't do with children which he then killed the monkeys and then he looked for the Mercury and what he found was the Mercury yes it left their blood immediately the eth Mercury from the vaccines was gone from their blood in a week methyl Mercury from the tuna fish was there two a month later two months later but when he sacrificed the monkeys and did post-mortems he found that the Mercury had not left their body instead the reason it was disappearing from their blood is because eth Mercury crosses the blood brain barrier much easier than methyl Mercury the ethyl Mercury from the vaccines was going directly to the brains of these animals and it was lodging there and causing severe inflammation and um and you know we now know it's there 20 years later so um what you know so the so when bur when often when I'm on the phone with offen and I said he said the eth Mercury is excreted quickly and I said how do you know that and he said because of the Piero study uh because the study by by pitero found that it was excreted quick in a week and I said but you're familiar with the burb backer study that show in there it's gone to the brain and there was dead silence on the phone and then he said to me he kind of hemmed it h and said well you're right it's not that study it's just a whole Mosaic of studies and I said can you cite any for me and he said I'll send them to you and he never did that's the last I heard from him so at that point I knew there was something wrong and then somebody handed me a transcript of a secret meeting um that took place in 1999 and in I think it was 1999 it might have been 2000 but it was called it's called the simpsonwood meeting and what happened is in the midnight you know I mean the the history is that in 1986 well I'll go back a little further in 198 79 and 80 when I was a kid I only hit three vaccines my kids got 72 vaccines that's what you need now to get through your school 72 doses of 16 vaccines so and it started changing in the 80s and 90s but in in like 1979 they they brought on a a vaccine called the deia tetnus and pesus vaccine and That vaccine was very dangerous and it was killing one out of killing or giving severe brain damage to one in 300 kids and it was pulled in the United States it was pulled in Europe and it but Bill Gates still gives it to 161 million African children every year the same vaccine same vaccine and to South Asian kid kids and I'll tell you you know we now know what that does because the Danish government did a study uh called Morganson in 2017 that show that African kids and that's that's published in a journal called e biofarma and it was done by the leading deities of of of African vaccinology all of them Prov vaccine people like aab whose name is very famous Sig Morganson and a bunch of others and they went to Africa and looked at that they had 30 years of data and Gates had gone to the uh Danish government and said you know give us money because we've save millions of lives with this vaccine in Africa and the Danish government said can you show us the data and he couldn't so they went to guinea basow which is a a country in the west of Africa and guinea Bal the Danes for 30 years had been paying for these these very Advanced Health Clinics local health clinics all over guine Bell and the the clinics were were weighing every child at three months and every child and at six months and the in the 80s they began or 90s they began um or the 80s they began giving the dtp vaccine at the first visit at three-month visit but if they didn't hit the child exactly if they didn't have full 90 days uh you know of age if they were 89 days they wouldn't give it to him the six-month visit as it turns out they had 30 years of data where half the kids were vaccinated and half the kids were not between two months and 5 months of age so it was a perfect natural experiment and they went in there and they looked at it they looked at 30 years of data and they found the girls who got that vaccine dtp vaccine had um had uh 10 times were 10 times more likely to die over the next three months than girls than children who did not and they they weren't dying of deia tnis and prasis they were protected against those by the vaccine they were dying of anemia and B hardia and malaria and pulmonary disease but mainly they were dying of pneumonia and what the researchers said is that the vaccine is almost certainly killing more children than dether tus and protest prior to the vaccine because it was protecting them against the target illnesses but it had ruined their immune systems so they could not defend themselves against these other minor infections and nobody noticed for 30 years that it was the vaccinated children who were disproportionately dying and that's the problem with not doing you know real placebic control trials none of the vaccines are are ever subjected to True placea control trials it's the only medical product that is exempt from that prior to licenser anyway what happened in the dtp vaccine when it was pulled in this country was pulled because so many people were suing the drug companies WTH which is now fizer was the primary manufacturer they went to the Reagan Administration in 1986 and they said um you you need to give us full immunity from Li for all vaccines who we're going to get out of the business and Reagan actually said to them why why don't they said we're losing $20 in Downstream liability for every dollar we're making in profits and Reagan said to them why don't you make the vaccine safe and they said because vaccines are unavoidably unsafe that's the phrase they use and that phrase is in the statute and it's also in the Bruce witz Case which is the Supreme Court decision upholding that statute and so anybody who tells you vaccines are safe and effective the industry itself got immunity from liability by convincing the president and Congress that vaccines are unavoidably unsafe now the argument against that would obviously be they've prevented disease that would have killed Untold numbers of children right that would be the argument they would use against that exactly and that and that vaccine injuries are very rare that is the argument that it's used against them and both of those arguments in cdc's own Studies have been severely challenged so the CDC did a study in 2010 called Lazarus and it was Harvard scientist um who looked at one of the hmos the Harvard Pilgrim HMO which is one of the top hmos um it's actually I think the ninth biggest HMO but and they were testing a machine counting system that could do a cluster analysis because right now the the only way the only vaccine injury surveillance system they have it doesn't work it's one one all fewer than one in 100 vaccine injuries are ever reported because it's voluntary and this is what you can you can find support for this in the Lazarus study Lazarus actually looked and said how many injuries are actually happening how many are reported and they said fewer than one uh fewer than one in 100 are ever reported and they developed a system of machine counting so it doesn't rely on voluntary reporting what you do is you look at all the vaccine records for a population and all of the medical claims the subsequent medical claims and you do machine counting you do a cluster analysis and you it's very very accurate and they found CDC at that time was saying one out of a million people were being injured by the V vacine they found it 137 and so and and CDC had asked this team to design a machine counting system because their their system was so heavily criticized by everybody David Kesler who was the Surgeon General everybody was saying it's terrible it doesn't work and Congress had told them you have to accurately count vaccine injuries and they weren't doing it so when they did it when they actually looked they found that it's not one in a million one in 37 kids had you know had potential vaccine claims now you can't tell whether any of those claims were actually from the vaccine because it's a machine counting so it's statistical but you can say that the number of injuries is much higher than anybody was admitting um and then in uh the year 2000 CDC did a study with Johns Hopkins called guire because there there was this emerging claim that vaccines had saved tens of millions of lives around the world and I'm not going to tell you that they don't because nobody should trust my word on this you know what I say is irrelevant what what is relevant is the science and this is that the principal effort by CDC to actually verify that claim and what the guy are studying they looked at all the um you know the history of each vaccine and health claims and what they were trying to to say is there there was this huge decline in uh infec in mortalities from infectious disease that took place in the 20th century an 80% drop in deaths from infectious disease and what caused that was it vaccines and what they said is no it was it had very little almost nothing to do with vaccines the real drop happened because of um really engineering Solutions um refrigerators you could store food transportation systems that would get oranges up from Florida Etc roads um better housing sanitation the invention of chlorine sewage treatment but mainly nutrition nutrition is absolutely critical to building immune systems and so um what was really killing the these children was malnutrition and you know was the infectious disease that was kind of knocking them off at the end but the real cause of death was malnutrition and a collapsed immune system and that is what the guire study says now you anybody who's listening to this you know you can go look at this study so don't blame me and don't say you know Kennedy's in denial this is the only time CDC ever looked at this and it's called gu R it's published as I recall in Pediatrics and it's and it's uh CDC and ni and um uh Johns Hopkins in the year 2000 and um I believe the study is true and that it and it's borne out by many many others there's another study from 1977 called McGinley and McKinley and it was uh uh and that study also said that fewer than 1% of the decline in uh infectious mortality deaths could be attributed to vaccines so and that that study was required reading in almost every medical school in this country until the mid1 1980s so anyway that I'm just saying that that Orthodoxy that you just described um it's it's not an Orthodoxy that should be accepted on faith people should actually look at it and when they have it has not borne up I just finish this story and I'll try to be brief um in because what because Reagan caved in and it wasn't just Reagan it was the Democrats my uncle was cheering the health committee at that time and the Democrats also went along they passed the vaccine act in 1986 and the vaccine act gave immunity from liability to all vaccine companies if you for any injury for negligence no matter how negligent you are no matter how Reckless your conduct no matter how toxic the agreement how shotly tested or manufactur the product no matter how Grievous your injury you your vaccine company you cannot be suit so this was a huge gift for this industry because the the biggest cost for every medical product is Downstream liabilities and all of a sudden those have disappeared so you're not only taking away that cost but you're Al and incentivizing the production of many new vaccines you're also disincentivizing you're removing the incentive to to make them safe because they no matter how dangerous they are they don't care they can't be sued and then then but you may say well if they're really dangerous then uh nobody's going to buy them but the problem with that is nobody has a choice they not only got rid of the the downstream liability but they don't have any advertising or marketing costs because the federal government is ordering 76 million people essentially ordering 76 million kids to take the product a year if you can get that on the schedule it's like printing a billion dollar for you and so there was a gold rush and then the other thing is there're they are exempt from pre-licensing safety testing they don't have to be tested and they're not and I said this for many many years you know I said not one of these 72 vaccines has ever been tested pre Licensing in a placeit control trial where you're looking at vaccinated for some vaccinated kids and looking for at Health outcomes never been done and um Tony fouchy was saying he's lying he's not telling the truth this is vaccine misinformation in 2016 Donald Trump asked me to serve on a vaccine safety commission and I agreed to do it and I and he then ordered fouchy and Collins to meet with me and you know Peter marks at FDA and all the so I had meetings with all these guys I actually went into that meeting with fouchi with uh uh with three people one was Dell big dream another one was Aaron Siri the attorney and another one was Lynn Redwood who's a you know a very very famous nurse practitioner Public Health um official in Georgia and during that meeting there was a referee there from the White House on the westwing and I said to F I give kind of a lecture showing what we knew and I said to him in the middle of it I had a PowerPoint I said Tony you have sent any by the way you know he's known my family forever ever and you know my uncle was chair of the health committee writing his salary every year everything else like that so and you know and very Cooperative relationship with them the the two of the centers are NIH are named for members of my family for unri and my aunt my grandmother so you know I said to him Tony you've said been telling people I'm a liar when I say no vaccine has ever been none of the mandated vaccines what they call recommended they're actually mandated in many of the states I said none of them have ever been tested against uh in a placea control trial and a safety test prior to to licenser and I said can you show me one vaccine that has been subject to a safety test show me one study that shows that and he made it the show of looking through a red well they had brought in from NIH this big tray full of file folders and he made a show of kind of looking through that at the time but he couldn't find whatever he was looking for so then he said it's back at NIH and Bethesda and I'll send it to you well he never did so Aaron and I sued him sued HHS and and said show us one study that's ever been done on you know pre-licensing safety testing for vaccines and after a year of stone stonewalling they finally gave us a letter and said we don't have any so they don't they literally don't have any so nobody knows knows what the risk profile for these products are so they're telling people they they they avert more harms than they s then they cause but there's no science behind that statement it's just a you know it's just a guesswork but it's an amazingly effective narrative and that narrative the way it's spread through this country like I said it has gotten me and I think it gets a lot of people and that people are terrified of being called an antivaxer it's a it's a very dismissive pejorative it's a very bad term and if someone calls you like oh he's one of those yeah and it's it's kind of amazing what they've done especially in a world where we're very aware of the side effects that were hidden from the public with other drugs whether it's opiates or whether it's Vio or we're very aware that deception is taking place but for this one for whatever reason that one I I think maybe it has to do with protecting children because good parents who don't you know they they want to trust science and they want to think that medical science is the reason why people live so well today and a lot of that's true but they want to think that it's all connected and that they don't know what they're doing so if they say You're supposed to get 72 shots you should get 72 shots because they they really know yeah and you think you're doctor to the research but even and you're absolutely right about the opioids I mean that there's many many other um examples but the opioids is a good one because if anybody goes and looks at that that uh that Netflix documentary dopesick yeah that documentary right what is that Hulu is it Hulu is that Hulu so that documentary shows how this you know the all of these subtle uh forces that lead to agency capture and the and the um and the this collusion this corrupt collusion between the industry and the regulator because it was the Regulator who agreed to put on the label it was FDA who agreed to put on the label it's safe and effective and it's not addictive you know oxycodone which is crazy and right and everybody knew it was addictive you had the entire medical community who said Oh we must have been wrong cuz FDA says it's safe and effective oh you can imagine if they did that for vaccines and then you saw what they did in covid you know and and they had to continually change the cold post it prevents transmission if you get it Grandma won't get sick and you know um and each time it won't you'll never get sick you know you only have to take one it's it's really effective and then now it's two and that's it and now it's three and now it's four and um you know and that uh and each time they had to move the gold pose and everybody just would go along with the next claim without ever saying but wait a minute you know why should we trust you now because you were uh you know you were saying was s and by the way the defense is well they were we're in the middle of pandemic and they had to act quickly but um and you know they had to sort of do some guess work but they were saying it with such assurance and they were punishing uh doctors of conscience who began questioning them they were ruining their careers they were destroying their reputations they were taking away their livelihoods of scientists and doctors people who were getting injured they were um you know they were marginalizing vilifying gaslighting them and urging others to do the same you know getting on TV and saying if you didn't do this you're a bad person and you shouldn't be treated when you go to a hospital you know and all of these things which is not something was went you know something was really wrong but it's it seems to be the same pattern over and over again it's just bizarre that it takes so long to get the narrative out to people that when you get a corporation any Corporation just any group of people that can make money unchecked it seems to be a a normal human characteristic that they do that when they're unregulated or unchecked or when someone's not watching them or when the people that are watching them are compromised and then if you literally funding media so you're funding all these shows by and they have to essentially self-censor and you're seeing it I'm sure you're aware of the YouTube videos of yourself that have been pulled now you know um hot boxing with Mike Tyson got pulled uh Theo Von's podcast got ped Theo called me you know really worried and apologetic but saying cuz I was going to go on his show again and he said I'm worried about having you on my show and this is just two weeks ago and what was well he's probably worried about getting another strike from YouTube yeah so what was the subject that you guys discussed that was uh such a problem uh you know I don't even know he just he said and then somebody did an article on it on what happened to him um yeah there was I think it's a place called Free Press had an article but it was an old you know it was an old it was weird because it was a it was a a discussion I've been on his show a bunch of times but it was something that we did during the pandemic and they let it stand yeah it was it was up for quite a while it was up for a long time and he he called me like two or three weeks ago and he was like shaking and because I he he had said to me why don't you come on again and you know I I love him and I his podcast really fun and it's really close to my house and I get a really good response from it he is kind of a very interesting audience I think he's got a big overlap with you but um you know he it's it's really he's such a pleasant guy yeah I love him to death he's out here now yeah so he uh he uh so so I I was looking forward to going on his podcast but he called me and was like I don't think we can do it cuz I you know I'm worried about my livelihood yeah yeah uh that's where the self-censoring kicks in and so did did they give him any indication of what the subject was I don't know he was trying to find out from them and I don't think they were being that forthcoming what did you guys discuss did you discuss Co we had a big we had a long discussion we did one that was almost entirely on falconry when uh falconry yeah we well you know when I went on Mike Tyson I spent a lot of it talking about pigeons because I used to raise homing pigeons when I and that's really why I wanted to go on his show because I knew he was a pigeon fan pigeon guy wow and uh and then uh yeah and Theo started Theo found out that I you know train Haw and he um he was interested in that he's like a hunter and you know Tennessee and uh and so we ended up talking a lot about that I don't remember if we talked about vaccines but we must have at some point we must have but that uh that kind of self-censoring is uh it seems to have ramped up and they when I like I said they deleted the mic Tyson episode they deleted the the theovon episode I'm not aware of any other ones are you aware of any other ones that got taken down as well well I mean anything I put up goes comes down but yeah yeah I mean we're you know I'm I'm uh I'm heavily censored let let me can I just finish kind of the vaccine sag and because you let me talk so long already and I don't I really don't want to talk about this stuff talk about other stuff but but I'll just finish this what happened in the in around 1999 the vaccine schedule immediately after they passed the vaccine act exploded because all these companies were rushing to get new vaccines onto the schedule many of them for diseases that weren't even casually contagious like ridiculous diseases that are on that like Hepatitis B why would you give you get Hepatitis B from you know from sharing needles or from like going to a really seasoned prostitute or from uh from um you know sort of compulsive U homosexual Behavior oh you but a baby the a baby can get it if they get it from their mom but every mom is tested so you know at the hospital every mom every pregnant woman is tested for it so the baby doesn't need this is there a treatment for it when they do get it yeah but but the thing is but why would you give it to a one day old baby you know a three-hour old baby and then four more times when that baby's not going to be even subject to it for 16 years and it it may not even you I mean originally what happened is Merc and CDC designed this for pro prostitutes and for male homosexuals promiscuous male homosexuals and they couldn't sell any cu those cohorts had other better things to do with their money and they didn't you know they weren't going to buy the vaccine oh CDC went or MK went back to CDC and said we built all these plants and we got the thing and got it approved and we were you know a billion dollars in what are you going to do and CDC said we'll just recommend it for children and that way they keep the what they call the warm production uh lines you they keep they keep the vaccine uh they they like to have a lot of vaccines in case there's emergency they have a lot of lines out there that they can you know manufacture a pandemic response on this is what they say so anyway all of these new crazy diseases Rota virus and you know were all put on the schedule and um and they uh and then they started seeing all of this explosion and chronic disease and particularly autism so around 1995 CDC Congress said to EPA what year did the autism epidemic begin and EPA is a captured agency but it's captured by the coal industry and the oil and the pesticide industry but not by the Pharma because it doesn't regulate Pharma so it actually did a real science and it said 1989 is the year the epidemic began it's a red line and 1989 was the year the vaccine schedule exploded that doesn't mean that's a correlation it does not mean causation but it is something that should be looked at so and NIH decided to look at it because women were saying it was the vaccine again and again and again and again and again and again and again women were coming with the same story I I had a perfectly healthy two-year-old exceeded all my his Milestones I gave them on their second birthday or 18th month Wellness visit the full battery of six or eight vaccines and the and that child spikes a fever that night has a seizure and over the next three months loses their language loses their capacity to make eye contact to finger point uh social interactions and languages disappear and it happened so many times that NIH was saying we got to look to see if it's the vaccine and CDC was so CDC hired a um a uh Belgian epidemiologist named Thomas for Straton and they opened up the vaccine safety data link which is the biggest database for vaccines for hmos all the the top 10 hmos have all their records in there so they have all your vaccination records and all your health claims so you can do these kind of cluster analyses and ver raden went in there and he looked at one thing he looked at children who got the hepatitis B vaccine within their first month of life and and compared those Health outcomes in children who did not in other words children who got it after 30 days or didn't get it at all that was the second cohort what he found in his first run through the data is there was an 1135 per greater or elevated risk for an Autism diagnosis among the kids who'd gotten it in their first 30 days at that point they knew what caused the autism epidemic because a relative risk they it's a it's called a relative risk of 11.35 a relative risk of two is considered proof of causation as long as there's biological plausibility relative um the the relative risk of smoking a pack of cigarettes today for 20 years and getting lung cancer is 10 this was 11.35 so there was a panic throughout the industry this you know as people heard about this study CDC wanted to do a meeting all of the big pangam of the industry they didn't want to do it on CDC campus because then they thought it would be subject to a Freedom of Information law request they wanted to do it keep it secret so they they found this Retreat Center a Methodist Retreat Center in nor crossco Georgia called simpsonwood and they assembled I think there was 72 people there and they were from the W CDC NIH FDA um and all the vaccine compan compies and all the big academics the people who basically develop vaccines in the academic institutions and they were all there and they spend the first day they they give them all a copy of her Strat study but they have to give it all back because they don't want it out there and then they have a day of talking about it where they're all saying holy cow this is real and you know the the lawyers are going to come after us this we're all in trouble and then they spend the second day talking about how to hide it and um how do you know this because somebody made it recording of it and I got a hold of the transcripts and I published excerpts from those transcripts and rolling stone and anybody can go and read these now on our website it's called simpsonwood and you can read through the whole thing or you can read my Rolling Stone article uh which is also on the website which summarizes it and uh but anyway and check you know if that if that if you think it's true or not uh but they so then I when I read that when I read that then I was like okay I I got to like drop everything and do something about this and I published this article in Rolling Stone and I you know and I was kind of shocked by the just the power of the reaction against it of people you know Coming After Rolling Stone and Salon which also published and we just just bulldozed with you know these hate reactions and then and so on six years later six years they by by the way on there were four corrections I think four or five Corrections in the article in the next week right all of those Corrections were made by the the editors of salon and rolling stone and they've sent me letters which are also on our website saying this none by me um but from then on they said Oh Kennedy it was loaded with mistakes then six years later Salon under pressure from the pharmaceutical industry takes it down and says we found mistakes in it but they never showed any mistakes they would have never I've said repeatedly to them show me one mistake in that published piece show me one and they have not been able to do it and then they also forget that the four mistakes that they that you know were found that you know that uh that we printed a rata for that rolling some printed rata for were all made by them and then because they edited my 16,000w piece down to a 3,000-word piece and when they were doing that they made some errors um so then uh so then um you but what what happened after that is you had this explosion in chronic disease so did so and this is something everybody this is the this is the punch line and this is what everybody needs to focus on in 1960s when I was a kid 6% of Americans had chronic disease what do I mean by chronic disease basically three categories plus obesity one neurological disorders ADD ADHD speech delay language delay tix toed syndrome narcolepsy ASD autism autism went from one in 10,000 in my generation it still one and 10,000 in my generation I how old are you 55 55 I bet think you've never met anybody with full-blown autism your age you know headbanging football or helmet on non- toilet train non-verbal I mean I've never met anybody like that my age but in my kids's age now one in every 34 kids has has autism and half of those are full-blown meaning that description now what's the conventional explanation for that well I mean there there's no real explanation you know how do they try to they they try to say well we're just noticing it more which is ridiculous because first of all there's all kinds of studies that say that the you know really good studies like IR Herz boto was a very famous scientist epidemiologist biostatistician who was commissioned by the California state legislature to answer that question she's at the UC uh at at the MIND Institute at UC Davis and she came back and said no the the epidemic is real it's not you know better diagnostic or changing diagnostic criteria and so and that you know any real scientist now even the big backers like pull off it won't I don't think even he will say that but nobody from CDC is actually going to stand up and say that they certainly won't debate the point but even more so if if it's one if if it's not an epidemic then where are all where are the one in 34 69y old men who are wearing helmets and non- toilet train and you know if you got autism you live forever it doesn't affect LIF span you're going to these kids are going to be around forever and they and but there's nobody my age who looks like that so if it was if it was really better recognition you'd see it in every age group not just in children not only that but it changes every year it gets worse and worse every year so they can't keep saying oh we're just noticing it for the first time and also you know how does it get worse every year what how does it get worse every year because you know the the the CDC releases new data it's called I think it's ADM it's a it's a monitoring system and there's been all kinds of scandals with that because the CDC tries to manipulate the data and there's all kinds of whistleblowers from the different states who who say that they're pressured to not report cases and that kind of thing so but the CDC releases new data every year and every year it gets worse it's it goes from you know it's now I think one in 22 boys has the rate of vaccinations changed has a SCH Chang the rates of vaccinations have gone up and you know the mercury has been removed from a lot of the vaccines but there's aluminum in those vaccines which you know operates along the same biological Pathways and does the same kind of damage it's extremely neurotoxic and then there's other things lots of other toxics in the vaccines that you know could be responsible that I mean there's lots there's hundreds and hundreds of scientific studies that look at it but nobody ever reports them I did a book in which I I I have uh 450 studies that are digested in that book you know that I summarize and site and 1400 references and everybody will say oh there's no study that shows autism and vaccines are connected that's just crazy you know that's people or not looking at science so anyway but they want to say that they want to say that it's like it's just part of the religion yes right that's exactly what it is yeah it really does seem like El religion and the Heretics have to be burned at the stake they have to be humiliated silenced destroyed oh it it is it you know trust in the trust the experts is not a function of science that's the opposite of science TR TR trusting the experts is a function of religion it's not and and totalitarianism function of science or democracy you know in democracies you question people in authority and and and maintain a posture of skepticism toward him the same is true in science you don't trust the experts right but but it wasn't all the experts either that was part of the problem the experts that did including Robert Malone these guys are maligned in such an obvious and slandered in such a like a blatant way yeah well you know when I um when I when they first started saying trust the experts I was saying where do they get that from I've been litigating for 40 years every case I have there's experts on both sides so when we when we brought the mon case they had experts from Yale Stanford and Harvard and we had experts from Yale on our side Stanford and Harvard and they both said completely different things from each other and they were totally credible oh that's why you know in the jury decided that our experts were right and their experts were wrong the idea you can trust the experts experts get bias too you know you pay expert enough money and a lot of them will say whatever you want them to say and I and the people who were saying this at the top had a lot of of money and power at stake so anyway so I'm almost finished the autoimmune dis the second category is autoimmune diseases and but all those neurological disease explode in 1989 as I say autism just exponentially exposed um and if you're my age and you're listening to this you know and I know you got a younger demographic but you will remember that you didn't know anybody who looked like this when you were you know in school we didn't know kids who had diabetes we didn't know kids would were had epip pants the autoimmune diseases like diabetes juvenile diabetes rheumatoid arthritis lupus Crohn's disease all of this stuff suddenly appear I didn't know any of these diseases when I was a kid but they existed when you were a kid well some of them did some of but you know they were so rare I mean even like the Allergic Disease I didn't know anybody who had a peanut I had 11 siblings like 71st cousins and you know I never and a lot a lot of friends I never knew anybody with a peanut allergy why do five of my seven kids have allergies you know it's it and of course we know why because aluminum uh adant give you allergies they're designed to make you you know to to create a hyperimmune response to to you know to foreign particles and the last category is yeah the allergic diseases um peut allergies food allergies um eczema which I never knew anybody with eczema when I was a kid I never uh asthma I knew people with asthma but it wasn't one in every four black kids like it is today so you know all of those things now we went from uh 6% of American having chronic disease by 1986 we're starting to add the vaccines and we um and 11.8% of kids now so it's doubled I 2006 54% these are kids who are permanently disabled and they're they have to be on medication their whole lives so we are the sickest generation history there's no other country in the world that has this kind of chronic disease epidemic we have the biggest chronic disease and of course this is what one of the reasons we had the highest death rate during covid because we have the highest chronic disease burden in the world and you know listen it's not just the vaccines and I never have said that if there our children are swimming around in a toxic soup what we can say is most of it started in 1989 and there are only a certain there's a finite number of culprits that you can point to and say this tox it has to come from a toxic exposure because genes don't cause epidemics you they can provide a vulnerability but you need a toxic exposure what is it is it you know it could be glyphosate it could be neonic toid pesticides it could be pfoas which are the flam rard that became Ubi you know around that same timeline it could be cell phones you know it could be uh on Wi-Fi um um uh radiation so there's a that's unlikely what isn't that very unlikely though it could be ultra sound yeah yeah of course well I you know I think the the Wi-Fi R radi is a lot worse than people think it is but you know I don't think how so well Wi-Fi radiation is uh does all kinds of bad things including causing cancer Wi-Fi radiation causes from your cell phone I mean there's cell phone tum tumors you know that I mean I'm representing hundreds of people who have cell phone tumors behind the year it's always on the ear that you favor with your cell phone oh um and you know we have the science so if anybody lets us in front of a jury they it will be over you know like what what is the number because a lot of people use there's a lot of people with it they're glioblastomas that's the kind of cancers that they get but cancer is not the worst thing they also you know it opens up Wi-Fi R radiation opens up your bloodb brain barrier and so all these toxics that are in your body can now go into your brain how does Wi-Fi radiation open up your blood brain barrier yeah now you're gone beyond my my uh my expertise I but what there are there are I'm going to use a number here and you're going to think it's hyperbole but but it's not there are tens of thousands of studies that show the horrendous danger of Wi-Fi radiation and so this is Wi-Fi like that's in this room yeah we Wii you should not be S and you should not let your kids carry their cell phone on their breast particularly a woman because they're associated with breast you know they shouldn't be holding them in the breast pocket if you have to put them in your you know butt pocket you should not be uh having them near near your head when you're sleeping you know you need to get away and you should never put one next to your head you should always I like I will never put this next to my head I put it on a I you know I put it on speaker phone or use earphones but you know I won the case in front of on this issue um suing FCC and FDA about it and um and you know and the court sided with me so now they're goingon to have to go back to the drawing board and do it but the Russians you got Russians know more about Wi-Fi radiation than any they they developed it as a weapon and a lot of the really good signs came out of Russia and uh you know the Russians won't let kids use cell phones in kindergarten or you know in grade school a lot of the schools in Russia don't let it cell phones in there because of the danger and the levels of radio ation that they allow from cell phones is like one/ 100th of what and I don't know exactly what it is you know so that's the number people shouldn't hold me to but it's it's it is a tiny fraction of what we allow in this country so the the Wi-Fi radiation is obviously different than cell phone radiation so you're talking about people that are just in a room with Wi-Fi are being exposed to something dangerous people and you know people have different sensitivities to it some people are extremely sensitive they become completely debilitated from it and um really oh yeah we have Wii yeah we have a woman who uh who was a um who developed an a allergy to Wi-Fi she was in the uh Israeli Defense Forces and she was in their cyber warfare unit she was in a room with it all the time and suddenly she developed a a and she's a brilliant lawyer um and she's one of the leaders of you know in this movement to get to make sure that they don't put Wi-Fi antennas on elementary schools which they're doing now there's no control over where people put these antennas and um and uh so what do you think Wi-Fi is doing to us since it's everywhere and since everyone's experiencing including you what do you think it's doing to us I think it degrades your mitochondria it uh uh and it you know opens your blood brain barrier do you do you see anything online how it could open up your blood brain barrier I don't know about how but I do found I mean I don't I found an article I was trying to find the validity of it but it has a statement on here damage to the blood brain barrier radio frequency radiation exposure has been shown to affect the permeability of the blood brain barrier as well as altering the expression of micro RNA within the brain which researchers State could Le to adverse effects such as neurodegenerative disease whoa how come we don't know that there's a doctor that did a study and said that it's been expanded on researches in China and there's a published article here but I was looking around at the page and they call it leaky brain the F findings were followed by suppression misinformation and a shutdown of government funded research in the United States it's the same it's same play oh we got to get rid of Wi-Fi what the [ __ ] James I hard time yeah oh my God that's ter anyway I'm not I don't know you know I can't tell you where the chronic disease epidemic I think it's probably cumulative you there's a lot going on there our kids are swimming around in a toxic suit but you know we're now up to more than 54% of kids now have chronic disease and and you know you know I mean one of the things reasons I want to be president is to end that of NIH actually doing studies like this rather than suppressing them and let's figure out what it is why kids have chronic disease and end it it's costing us I mean we had during covid we had we have 4.2% of the global population we had 16% of the covid deaths and that's probably a lot of reasons for that but one of the reasons has got to be the burden that we have of chronic disease in our country and we spent $4.3 trillion on health care every year this country 80% of that goes to chronic disease oh it's you know it's bankrupting us I wanted to talk to you about glyphosate because you brought it up and um one of the things I noticed when there there was a test that came out or a study that came out recently that showed that an enormous percentage of Americans it was somewhere in the 90% range uh when they were tested had glyphosate in their blood and then I saw a bunch of apologists online that were saying that these numbers that they're used to detect are so minuscule and then someone I talked to said yes but that is the average so you're going to get some people that are exposed to tremendous amounts and that that it could be toxic levels then some people who are exposed to very very little this is the average but there's no data on is there data on long-term even low dose glyphosate in your system cuz there's glyphosate we should we should just tell people is yeah glyphosate is the is the act of ingredient of Roundup and Roundup um was used I mean when we sued Monsanto there's a there's there's many many diseases that are linked to glyphosate exposure uh including um uh non-alcoholic fatty liver cancers are very very closely linked um a lot of kidney diseases and then sever damage to the microbiome um because it's designed to kill plants um uh and it and there are there are structures in your um in your gut biome that are critical structures in your gut biome which have plant-like metabolisms which are destroyed by glyphosate and so you know what what happened is um glyphosate and glyphosate was a it was originally developed as a as a tank scalant so to to scale the calci calcium and other deposits metal deposits rust deposits from the inside of you know underground tanks and in 1973 uh Monsanto had to stop producing DDT because you know we passed the laws at that time and it that was its Flagship product it needed another product and it figured out that um glyphosate somebody at some point apparently threw some glyphosate on the you know out in the back in the yard and everything green died where they touched it where it touched gate and so somebody said oh this will be a good herbicide because it kills all plants originally Monsanto developed it as a as a uh as a herbicide but the way that it was applied initially from 1973 to 1993 was in backpack sprayers so guys would walk down the corn field corn row early in the season when the corn was competing with nearby weeds for sunlight and they would shoot the individual weeds and then in 93 somebody figured out a way that that glyphosate that there was certain bacteria that gly say would not kill and they said we could take a gene out of that bacteria and put it into a corn seed and develop a corn that cannot be killed by glyphosate so they developed Roundup Ready corn and that corn you can pour glyphosate all over it and it will do nothing to it so now you could fire all of those workers who are expensive and you hire one airplane and they fly over the fields they saturate the entire landscape with life say everything dies except the Roundup Ready corn and within a couple of years Roundup Ready corn was now on 90% of the Corn 95% of the corn in the United States is now Roundup R corn and so but it was still being and then they developed it for soybean and for um and for uh barley for sorghum for a lot of other plants but it was still being applied early in the season and then in 2000 around 2006 they discovered that if you sprayed it on wheat late in the season it would desiccate the wheat in other words it would dry it out and one of the big losses for Farmers is wheat is if it rains during the harvest season you can't Harvest it because it gets moldy and so if you can spray a desin on it and dries it out and kills it you can Harvest it right away and it won't get moldy so all the wheat in our country started being sprayed that year in 2006 with glyphosate and that's the year you saw this explosion of celiac diseases and uh you know gluten allergies and all of this stuff that people you know that you may have noticed around then but they also did the first time they were excuse me the first time they're they're spraying it directly on food because it used to be they were spraying it early in the season and it would you know it would wash off and the and the corn would get higher than the the weeds and you wouldn't have to do it but now they're spraying it directly on our food sorry Joe go ahead no it's okay um so what they when they when they started doing this is there's a direct result like you can see the increase in Celiac disease you can see is this like documented well no these are no that's not documented I mean but the these are there are there's a whole range of diseases that are now you know that people are are the scient different levels of science have linked to glyphosate exposure here's the thing in when you litigate you when you when you're suing somebody for a chemical exposure you have to go through a a a pro a threshold called the dalbert hearing and the dalbert hearing is a hearing that says is there sufficient science that it's now considered kind of mainstream that um we can show this to a jury and the judge has to make that decision because the judge doesn't want people saying you know coming in and saying uh uh you know uh a loud noises made me crazy right right you there has to be before and and then a good attorney might be able to convince a jury that yeah this my client got crazy because he heard a loud noise so the judge needs to make a threshold decision about whether there's sufficient signs to show a jury and that is a very high threshold so of all of the diseases that are probably caused probably almost certainly caused by Gus a the only one to pass that threshold was the case that we bought for um for hjin non hodkin lymphoma so at at that point we had enough rat studies enough human studies we had about 10 of each and we were able to go to the judge and say this we got enough science on this now to show that it's uh that that non hodkin and F is being caused by glyphosate so that those were the only cases we brought the other thing but there are a lot of of you know really interesting studies that show links between injuries to children and the and the amount of glyphosate in a woman's urine and the mother's urine you know including a lot of uh um including um sexual development it's an andrine disrupt so um you know similar to phalates thades are an endocrine disruptor probably the most disturbing endocrine disruptor and this is something we should all be looking at is atrazine yeah because atrazine which is now ubiquitous it's everywhere but you can take arrine and there you know this you you what is his name Jamie Jamie young Jamie you can look up you can look up this study I think the guy the scientist's name is Tyler I think and that might be his first or second name but they took atrazine and they put it in a tank with 40 frogs for three years they put it below the exposure levels that EPA considers acceptable to humans and 30 of those frogs they were all male frogs and they were double z you know male frogs so they were super males and 30 of those frogs were chemically cerated four of them turned into females and produced fertile eggs so they took male frogs gave them matrine 10% of them turned into female and produce fertile eggs and we're subjecting our children to exposure to that every day what is atro it's in the water it's a it's a pesticide here it is report toxic herbicide found in many Texans drinking water that's it that's from 2018 November 20th yeah and what you know what does this do to sexual development and children nobody knows we know what it does to frogs Yeah but um you know nobody knows what that does to you know what it's doing those kind of persistent exposures would do to our children yeah it's terrifying so atrazine um microplastics all those things are having an effect a similar effect on um reproductive systems yes yeah we had Dr Shanna Swan who wrote that book countdown that's all about this about the declining fertility rates the higher rates of miscarriage with women yeah yeah um what has this been like for you because up until those women came to uh to see you speak your your life had been and I mean obviously you went through a lot with your father being assassinated with your uncle being assassinated you you being a part of this very public both in service and in just being famous family and then you take on this thing and even members of your own family sort of disavowed your opinions and uh attacked you for it and what I find remarkable genuinely is uh the way you have been able to communicate with people who approach you with this erroneous idea of what you stand for and that you can just rationally have a conversation with them and saying if I'm wrong I'd like you to tell me where I'm wrong and those conversations are fascinating it's because people just want to shut you down they just want to stop talking about it like they don't want to give you the time like like you just had to to lay all this out it's a thing people don't want to believe what is that like to be a person who carries around a thing that people don't want to believe but that seems to be true um uh first of all I want to say this that that what you let me do just now which probably lost a lot of your listeners because no nobody wants to listen to I do not think that's true at all but I I'm so grateful to you be because you know for 18 years nobody's let me do that I mean I actually John Stewart let me do that in 2005 and uh you can go look at his um his uh and and Scaro Joe scar and you know in 2005 when my article came out and that was it and then they were and they immediately a week later were disav yeah so yeah and you've been like a here I mean you're an institution this country critical institution of this era uh because um you you know you've allowed you've maintained this little island of free speech in a you know in a a desert of suppression and and and of critical thinking which is you know you've been a champion of critical thinking my uncle when my my Aunt Jackie met my uncle um Jack John Kennedy she he was a Senator and and a confirmed Bachelor and she was a um she was a reporter a journalist and she did this kind of man on the street interviews um with people these kind of quick kind of interview and she asked him what his best quality was and she expected him to say courage because he'd been a war hero and he had written a book and run a pit surprise for profiles and courage uh but the answer that he he gave her was curiosity and I think that is the quality that made him a great president because he was able to put himself in other people's shoes he had a level of empathy about other humans where he was always thinking about what it would be like you know why would people do things that um and act in certain ways including grusf and Castro and when he when he had conversations and exchanges with those people um he was able to put himself in their shoes and actually his his most important speech was the uh Speech he gave 60 years ago three days ago it was 6 year 16th of June 10th of um 1963 and it was the speech at American University about um about uh trying to persuade Americans to change their minds because they were universally against the nuclear atmospheric testband treaty that he was trying to push and that speech turned the country around it was one of the most important impactful speeches in history and in that speech he told Americans what it was like to be Russian it was the strangest speech and you know because I was raised and most Americans of that era were raised thinking that we won World War II and he said to them you know we believe this I was watching combat Vic marrow with combat you know every week with my brothers was all about how the Americans won and he said that's not what happened the Russians won the war and they paid in a way that no Nation should ever have to pay one in every seven Russians died you know at Hitler's hands and a third of the Russian he said imagine if America every city and every building was leveled from the east coast to Chicago that's what happened to Russia and he he was T telling Americans you know they they're not evil they're having a rational reaction on they develop a nuclear B and they don't want to be invaded again and we have to somehow make them feel safe if we're going to have peace in this in this world it was just this beautiful beautiful speech and um it came I think because he had that gift of curiosity and you know you have that and I think um and you have this love for critical thinking and this admiration you have this parade of people on here you know like the win stains and all these other people who are thinking out of the box and who are not um subsumed in in orthodoxies but are able to break away from those orthodoxies and you know and and have come and and see the humanity and everybody and everything and it's beautiful so I think when the history of this time is written that you're you will have a um the role that you played in it you know and if we manage to get our way out of this kind of totalitarian trajectory I think a lot of that will be you know because of what you did I um in the answer to your question this is a roundabout answer but my about a week before no about two weeks before he died my father gave me a book and the book was a book by Camu um who was one of his favorite writer my father after my uncle's death went through a period of kind of reassessment of his own sort of relationship with God and with the Catholic church and religion and he never rejected to the Catholic church he always embraced it but he began to look for meaning in other areas in poetry and in Shakespeare and uh and particularly in the existentialist so he and one of the existentialists was Camu and Camu had written this book called The Plague my father gave it to me and he told me with this kind of peculiar intensity I want you to read this and he had given me always gave me stuff to read and poetry and stuff but he said this with this uh with this directness that after he died I ended up reading that book about three times trying to figure out kind of what the message was that he was you know he was trying to give me and um and the book is about a doctor who is in a city in North Africa where there is an unnamed plague ravaging the city it's a walled City and it's quarantined and the city is a the plague is something nobody's ever seen before and most of the people get it are dying so a huge infection fatality rate and this is and the do a lot of the book the beginning is this conversation the doctor is having to himself as he's locked you know in his room and he's uh he's trying to say I I don't want to go out there because if I go out there I'm going to catch it and I can't really help these people anyway because we don't know you know anything about this disease we don't know how to treat it and everybody gets it dies so why you know why don't I just stay here and wait it out and then in the end he ends up leaving and he he ends up just comforting people and uh uh and they you know they uh Camu was an existentialist which are kind of the legatees of the of the Greek and um and Roman tradition of stoicism and and what he was saying about this doctor is the doctor had brought order to the chaos of this what was happening in the city through by doing his own Duty and going out and and being a service to other people even at Great s sacrifice to himself and the the kind of the iconic hero of stoicism is Copus and sopus is is condemned by the Gods because he does a good deed for Humanity to for eternity to push a rock up a hill and then when he gets the top of the hill of a boulder always he can never get it over the top it always rolls back down and and on top of him and kind of mangles him and then he goes up and does it again but in the in the stoic cosmology Copus is a happy man because he put his his shoulder to the stone he was given a duty and he does his Duty and um and that and that that that s sacrifice that he makes brings order to a chaotic universe and you know we're all living in a kind of chaotic universe so for me to have kind of a concrete Tas that I know is right you know and I'm open to criticism I have a critical mind if somebody shows me where I got it wrong I'll change I'm not dug in I'm not hard-headed in that sense but until somebody show tells me that I'm going to try to help these children and you know and I feel like it's a gift so and the more people he abuse on me um the more the bigger the gift is in some way was the the book The Real Anthony fouy was that the first time uh and because it happened during the pandemic I I that was the first time I noticed a break in the narrative where more people were paying attention to you and people weren't dismissing you as easily anymore and the book itself was a critical hit amongst a lot yeah the book sold a million copies I think in three months amongst the people that no reviews yeah um and with a lot of you know I mean really people going out of there the mainstream corporate media going out of its way to ignore it and how many copies did it sell it sold a million copies in three months and then it's all you know since then I don't know how many but it's continued to kind of H up you know in the top you know 100 on Amazon most of the book sellers wouldn't sell it like the independent book sellers Barnes and Noble uh took it out of most of their stores they wouldn't sell it at most of their stores and the independent book St sellers almost all boycotted it the only place you could really reliably get it was Amazon it was odd because those are people who are usually against censorship yeah and yet they were you know this this you know all of this weird stuff happened with the censorship then where people yeah I know you know you consider yourself a liberal in most and you know as do I um but what it means to be a liberal is changed in in a lot of ways yeah and uh it is uh it's not about the social issues as much as it is about this uh subscribing to whatever the Orthodoxy or whatever the ideology preaches and it seems like when it comes to things like vaccines like that is something you never question and this is the the name that shall not be uttered yeah yeah and and when you start questioning things people get angry at you they don't want to hear it they don't want to talk about it unless they know someone has been injured and when that happens generally people have an open mind and they start to change and I think so many people know so many people that have been injured now that they're a little more critical and then shows like dopesick and then all the different articles where you see like the Sackler family bought off immunity they they they can't get prosecuted they they gave up like6 Billion out of how many whatever billions they made selling these things that they knew absolutely to be addictive it's um there's enough people now that feel duped that they're willing to open their mind there's still some people that have that are dug in and that's what's going to be interesting about this it is interesting because it's uncleared to me you want some tea we got a cup right there yeah it's unclear to me how how orth how an Orthodoxy unravels yeah you know because I mean and Mark Dain said it I think it was Mark Dain yeah said it that it's easier to fool somebody than to persuade it's easier to fool a man than to persuade him that he's been fooled right once they swallow it they they don't want to relinquish it because ego yeah or it just threatens their you know their worldview and and there's so many things that are threatening about believing the counternarrative that you know you and I now are seeing um because then can I trust my doctor can I trust you know the the authorities can I trust my country and all of that and it's really this the entire cosmology around which we've kind of you know weaved and constructed Our Lives the whole foundations are you have to start questioning everything and most people don't want to do that it's just it's uh you know I think it's terrifying and I understand that you know I see it in my family yeah it's certainly bizarre it's bizarre to witness it's bizarre to witness because uh you know i' I've witnessed it with people that I I you know I was a fan of intellectually and then all of a sudden I'm seeing them buy into this and I and then I see these telltale signs of them not willing to adjust with with new data with new information and understanding that they've been duped and still digging their heels in because they they've already defended themselves once so now they defend themsel now they double down and then now they seek out all these I've seen people defend the natural spillover hypothesis which at this point seems kind of ridiculous you know and Michael shellenberger actually just published something today about that where there's even more evidence that it was from the the very lab that they think it's yeah yeah yeah well those conversations too the email conversations after it was it had happened and then the conversations with fouchy and Rand Paul were infuriating those those were infuriating they were so crazy Senator you do not know what you are talking about this appeal appeal to Authority this try trying to diminish what he's saying when uh what he's saying is what people have been quietly saying that understood what was going on but I mean you uh I mean did you lose friendships like personal yeah but that was okay not much not no one I really liked yeah it was uh did you just discover that you didn't like them or no I just I knew there was a lot of cowards I knew I had like casual relationships with some cowards and uh some of them attacked me and I'm like good now I don't have to talk to you anymore got a lot of friends I'm very happy yeah so for me it was fine and then most of my friends were Comics a lot of comics and a lot of Jiu-Jitsu guys uh very like-minded in in in their approach to this thing they they weren't really interested in becoming an experiment and uh a lot of them because they were touring a lot and a lot of them because they were in clubs a lot and they were getting it and they they already had it and so this uh idea that even after getting it and getting over it that somehow or another they had to get injected and that didn't make any sense to them they're like why like this doesn't this doesn't follow what even the studies are showing about natural immunity due to pre prior uh previous infection because they had a previous infection they they knew that there were supposedly at some point in time was the studies were showing that it was seven times more effective than getting a vaccine and the vaccine the effectiveness it was showing it was very short and even then people even after I got over Co I had people that I like that I admire they were telling me you should get vaccinated now I said why why this make it make sense to me sanj Gupta said that to me I'm like make it make sense to me why should I do it because you'd be even more more protected I go I got over it quick I got over it in three I made a video in three days and it looked too good so CNN put a filter on it and made me look yellow on TV did you see that no you never saw that no I totally believe that I'm going to show it to you just cuz it's so ridiculous just so could see it cuzz it's so ridiculous because 3 days later I had I had one day where I felt like [ __ ] the next day I felt better and then the day after that I make this video and I was saying essentially that I had to cancel the shows that I was doing with Dave Chappelle that weekend uh but so that's the top one is the CNN version and that the the bottom one is the real version this is me outside in Texas so it's nice and sunny out and look what they did to my face they made me look like I was Ill that looks like a a aav it's crazy what they did yeah it's very bizarre but the fact that that's a news organization that did that is so terrifying because it's such a trivial thing and that they concentrated on this one uh medication that my doctor prescribed for me which was Ivermectin they didn't concentrate on all the other stuff that I took they didn't concentrate on the zpac they didn't concentrate on the prazone they didn't concentrate on the um monoc clal antibodies or the IV drip of vitamins that I did and NAD the NAD plus cocktail I did a lot of stuff yeah I did all the same stuff yeah and I got better quick and but but no one cared that I got better that was not the narrative The Narrative is like Joe Rogan is taking Veterinary medication and then Rolling Stone printed an article saying that these hospital emergency rooms were getting overrun with people overdosing on horse medication and gunshot victims had to wait in line well first of all how many people are getting gunshot in Oklahoma the [ __ ] is going on yeah and they're waiting in line also when you're showing the the line that they used for the graphic was people wearing winter coats and it had nothing to do I saw somebody somebody track down where that real photo came from it it had nothing to do nothing to do with just fraud but it's crazy that somehow or another that snuck through Rolling Stone Rolling Stone has made a big change you know there the guy who runs that now is a guy called Noah schlackman and I used to have a great relationship you know I grew up with Jan and and um his kids and stuff and I publish there a lot but the PE the guy who runs it now is a guy with deep connections to the intelligence community and you know is uh is is really uh deep deep in the Orthodox it's not a counterculture magazine anymore it's now a it's now a culture you know it's in the center but um the one thing I wanted to mention to you you know one of the incredible studies that came out which is not surprising but the Cleveland Clinic study yeah we talked about that recently okay so and it it show I think I I read I could be wrong about this but I just was reading the abstract for somebody the other day and it looked like I mean what that study shows is that the vaccine gives you some protection in the for the first two months but then it wains precipitously and it wains into negative efficacy after 7 months so in other words if you got vaccine you're more likely to get sick it does the opposite but this is what fouchy said at the very beginning if you go back and look at his tapes it could make you actually more susceptible yeah and that is exactly what it does um and it but what it what that study shows the more vaccines you get the more likely it is that you're going to get sick and that on the people who are most vaccinated have 3.5 times the rate and I could be wrong about this but I think this was said 3.5 times uh the the risk of illness that that people who are unvaccinated oh I mean that's that's not a good profile for you know a medical product no it's not we would have done better if they' just given everybody vitamin D but what I found was really fascinating there was a lot of people after I got sick that wanted me to immediately get vaccinated to join the team that's what it seemed like they wanted me to do yeah it seemed like there was a battle for this some sort of ideological highground and they wanted me to say wow I should have gotten vaccinated I'm like look I've had diseases that were worse than this I've had the flu that was worse than this but also I'm aware of ways to treat certain colds and flu and things like you can actually do things to improve your immune system yeah exactly yeah and also yeah you know I had a Ming conversation with uh Peter hotz once well he's that guy is is um I mean it's it's hard just watching a guy sit there and tell things that he's got to know are not true I don't know if he knows they're not true but he's a strange example because when I was talking to him he's overweight and I I asked him does does he eat well he doesn't he's saying you know he he he likes junk food eats junk food too much he doesn't exercise very walks a little he was saying he doesn't take vitamins and I was like this is a crazy conversation so you're advocating for this experimental mRNA vaccine technology and you don't even do anything else to improve your immune system like you don't do there's all the studies on vitamins on whether it's vitamin C vitamin D you know EXP exposure to sunlight increases your vitamin D as well it's very good for the immune system there's all these studies on this there plenty of studies on what happens to people when they're nutrient deficient as well like you're all of your systems are functioning incorrectly and there's also studies on people that got administered to the ICU with Co that somewhere in the N those above 70% were deficient in vitamin D yeah uh I think it was over 90% yeah it's it's to have a conversation with someone who doesn't take vitamins and is telling you you have to take this medication it's like this is a crazy conversation cuz you know what health is like metabolic health is it's a very nuanced thing and there's a lot going on within it and it has a lot to do with what you put in your body it has a lot to do with the foods you consume it has a lot to do with exercise and drinking water it's a lot to do with your electrolyte balance has a lot to do with the nutrient content of your diet so if you're if you're not doing any of that and you're telling everybody they got to get jabbed this is a crazy conversation well that all that you know metadata that I that I was talking about in the guire study you know and it's really interesting that the graphs that go along with that one of the you know the graphs they go through each disease and they show when the disease was killing people and then there's this huge Decline and then it goes flat so it's not killing anybody more then the vaccine is introduced yeah and it's disease after disease after disease the same thing happened that it was it's all because people started getting better nutrition and their immune systems were okay and if you look at the kid kids in Africa who die from measles or these other infectious disease they're all malnourished in fact the only people really dying from measles in the 60s before they introduced the vaccines I think the the death rate had gone down to like a from you know tens of thousands per year to like a couple of hundred a year this was by six 3 and they were all kids most of them were kids in the Mississippi Delta black kids Sly M nourished and they were dying of measles and you know this is before the war on poverty before my father visited the Delta and um you know it's hard for a disease to kill a healthy person it's hard for an infectious disease to kill a healthy person with a rugged immune system well not the Spanish flu though right well the Spanish Flu was not a virus and even um fouchi now acknowledges that and that you know there's there's good evidence that the Spanish flow there's there's you know not not a definitive but very very strong evidence the Spanish Flu was vaccine induced flu the the deaths were vaccine induced but the the D originally they said it was a flu but when they've gone back and actually they have all the s the samples from thousands of people they died from bacteriological pneumonia so they died as a consequence of something that you could cure today with antibi okay so when we say but they still so what was their so they you're saying they had a compromised immune system already but why but but a lot of the you know bacteriological illnesses can kill you yeah it's that a lot of the viral illnesses you know if you're super healthy it's pretty hard for them to kill you I mean I and I'm just saying this not on any individual base basis but on a population basis if you look at populations that are well nourished you don't see uh infectious disease mortalities anymore so and that's across you know I don't think anybody would argue with that so what are you what are you saying that the Spanish Flu was and like what is the the documentation the you know I you said that fouchy has public fi wrote an article in 2008 and uh that I'm pretty sure it's 2008 in which he not acknowledged that it was not the flu that was killing those people it was a bacteriological infection and a bacteriological infection these days you could 100% cure all of it with an antibiotic but so but something was making them ill and to make them vulnerable to back clear and you know I read an article recently and and you can look up these articles pretty easily but there the the article that I read made a very strong case that the illness came from testing a new vaccine in Kansas at a military base in Kansas and I again I'm a little hazy on the detail this is important to cover right so let's see if we can find this predominant role of bacterial pneumonia has caused a death in pandemic influenza implication yeah of uh pandemic influenza preparedness so what this is saying is that bacterial pneumonia was the cause of death but these people obviously they were saying that they had they were sick before this correctly correct is that true you know what I I you I shouldn't talk about this you okay this I don't remember enough about it let's read what he says the results postmortem samples were examined from people who died of influenza during the 1918 to 1990 1919 rather uniformly exhibited severe changes indicative of bacteria bacterial pneumonia bacteriologic and hytop histopathologic results from published autopsy series clearly and consistently implicated secondary bacterial pneumonia caused by Common upper respiratory tract bacteria in most influenza fatalities yeah and and some people have suggested that came from getting people to wear masks oh Jesus so but you know I don't know how would that that the mass became a media for bacteria conclusions the majority of deaths from the 1918 1919 influenza pandemic likely resulted directly from secondary bacterial pneumonia caused by Common upper respiratory tract bacteria less substantial data from the subsequent 1957 and 19668 pandemic are consistent with these findings if severe pandemic influen a is largely a problem of bacterial viral bacterial copathogen pandemic planning needs to go beyond addressing the viral cause alone example influenza vac vaccines and antiviral drugs that's hilarious prevention diagnosis prophylaxis and treatment of secondary bacterial pneumonia as well as stockpiling of antibiotics and bacterial vaccines should be high priorities for pandemic planning yeah he didn't remember that yeah but um Let me let me ask you something that you were talking about before because you said a lot of the comedians um you know were uh were skeptical but what what I saw was the opposite you know I saw the comedians that should have been questioning everything you know that were that were cancelling people who ask questions and including all the ones you know John Stewart and stepen cber they kind of stopped I thought they stopped being funny because they you know comedians are funny when they're when they're ridiculing Authority and they all had to stop doing that the only one I know out of that group is John I know John and John's a great guy I have not talked to him I talked to him um in the middle of it all I haven't talked to it since but I I thought it was hilarious when he was on coar and he was doing that routine that was really good yeah that wasil is I had I Tred to stay off Twitter because I I generally think especially when it comes to things like uh that are uh high anxiety subjects whether it's climate change the war in Ukraine or um Co I think it facilitates mental illness and I think a lot of these people are um they they Fester on things and they they they they have high anxiety and when you subject them to being locked inside their home and you offer them only one way out and that way is this vaccine and they trust the science because they're smart people smart people trust the science and they they believe that you know we have to all in be in this together and you're a good person if you go out and get vaccinated so you show your your picture on your little Instagram page got vaccinated and everybody knows you're a good person and then there's this sort of feedback loop and then they start attacking people that differ from this and then they start you know calling my mother died from this or my grandmother died from this as if you somehow or another did it not the [ __ ] people that did this crazy research in Wuhan China and then lied about it and then we're like no one's mad at them for the same people who are mad at comedians for questioning it were applauding fouchy even though there was all these there's clear conversations that showed that yes they were doing what what we consider to be gain of function research there yes the you NIH funded this yes this is all true and when he's being confronted by Rand Paul and you see him him like he's essentially just lying in front of the American people he's just and the same people that generally are these critical thinkers they were so enamored by this narrative and then so captive by it and then also captive by their initial assertions they're a prisoner of their their initial statements on it they didn't want to say they were wrong it took a lot of people a long time to say I [ __ ] up this that's not true it's not anybody actually said that to me yeah yeah yeah a good friend of mine yeah very good friend of mine who got really scared and got vaccinated and thought I was being an idiot and then along the way started paying attention and and got covid really bad you know and I helped him out and sent the nurse to them and got them myv vitamins and it's it's just one of those things where uh it's a stress test it's a stress test for people's character it's a stress test for anxiety levels is a stress test for Community bonds it's a stress test for friendships it's a stress test and you get to see you get to see what it was like and I feel uh honestly even though I was in the center of it all I felt very fortunate because uh I I can have no questions about how it actually works how the system actually works to go against people that are denters I can have no questions because I was in the middle of it I saw it I saw it happen I saw the CNN thing where they made my face yellow and said I was taking horse medication which is that the most to say that and repeat that over and over again is such a clear indication that they conspired it's such a because it's this it's uniform it's horse dewormer uniform a medication that's used far more often on human beings it's been prescribed to for billions yeah it's insane and the fact that and W the Nobel Prize for for efficacy in humans yeah in humans yeah it was wild it was just they they had to do it they had to discredit ior maon because you know why because there's a federal law the federal uh emergency use authorization statute says that you cannot issue you cannot issue an emergency use authorization to a vaccine if there is an existing medication that has been approved for any purpose that had that is demonstrated effective against the target illness so they had to destroy ivac and hydroxychlor and discredit and they had to tell everybody it's not effective because if they had acknowledged that it's effective in anybody the whole $200 billion dollar vaccine Enterprise would have collapsed it's um it's a very strange and difficult to navigate subject because there's so many studies and there's a lot of studies that seem to point to the fact that iveron doesn't work well for people that have covid yeah I I you know we've looked at all the studies and we you know there's there's over a hundred studies on ior Mack and and you know I think they're on our website on chc's website and then there were a series of studies and this is what they always do this is what they did with autism they designed studies to fail so they you know in fact they designed studies and the way they designed them to fail is by giving people lethal doses of I or hydroxy chloroquin and in fact in in Brazil the researchers were charged with homicide you know and that was one of those the I forget whether it was called the solidarity study but it was one of the studies that was commissioned by wh paid for by Bill Gates and his people and um and that you know they were literally giving people four or five times the prescribed doses of of icin hydroxy chloroquin in order and you know these were elderly people on their deathbeds and a lot of them could not take that level of toxicity and died and so then they were able to say oh it kills people but it wasn't killing anybody they gave the prescribed doses to and you know and Gates knew what the prescribed dose was for hydroxy chloroquin because his uh because he his foundation gives it to hundreds of millions of people every year in Africa for malaria control and so it wasn't you know it's hard to say that it was a mistake that they were overdosing these people so it was a a situation where you have the emergency use authorization and that won't work if you have a medication that also works and then you have this medication that also works that happens to be generic yeah that cost 5 cents a pill instead of $3,000 a dose like REM Desir yeah oh REM Desir the reason they like REM Desir is because REM dese you have to get you give IV in the hospital um at end of you know at the end of life it's not prophylactic they didn't want something that was prophylactic or early cure because that would have meant they they would have the whole vaccine issue you know would have fallen apart r dese was crazy because REM Desir in 2019 so right before the pandemic fouchi had REM Desir in a an AOL in a ebola trial with four other drugs in Africa and the IRB the the you know the safety panel that you know you have to have a safety panel um for it's called the institutional review board for every clinical trial the safety panel stop stepped in and pulled REM Desir out because it was killing so many people it was it was killing more people than the Ebola Ebola kills 53% of the people who get it and this and the REM Desir was doing worse so why would you take that out of an AB that got thrown out of an ebola trial and give it to people who with a disease that has an infection fatality rate of 1% well it's insane I would say that's insane if I didn't know that there was a history of doing similar things yeah in the AIDS crisis with a a which was initially a chemotherapy medication that was killing people in a two-e dose they were giving them two two weeks of this stuff was killing people faster than AIDS was killing people yeah and they went and took that excuse me faster than cancer was killing people and they went and took that and started giving ited as too dangerous for to treat as a cancer right with cancer you give it you know in the simplest terms you're giving a chemotherapy drug that is going to kill you 100% of the time is going to kill you you know at least in those at that era because it's designed to kill human tissue and you're hoping that it will kill the tumor before it kills the you know the person and it was it was it was thrown out as too dangerous to use for two weeks in chemotherapy and now they're G they they decided okay we're going to give it to people lifetime course of it to people of AIDS and of course it's going to kill you know anybody on it is going to kill well the Arthur Ash thing blew me away cuz I didn't know that Arthur Ash was asymptomatic when when and then he died right after started taking a and he said publicly I don't want to be on this I know I think it's hurting me but my doctor is going to get mad at me if I get off of it and how many other people how many people died from act well n have too it's the same thing he was completely healthy and they put him on a day and he died well how many people did die what the overall numbers forgot I have to go back and read my book it's extraordinary yeah yeah and um you know just the fact that that play book existed they've done it this way in the past and gotten away with it and that when they have drugs that are approved and they already have these drugs and if these drugs didn't work on that thing they'll try them on this thing and then they'll say in the case of act there's video of fouchi saying the reason why it's the only drug we recommend or that that is prescribed is because it's safe and effective he actually said that about a and he knew at that time which is a crazy thing that the only way the the way I mean one of the tricks one of the tricks they were using is the people who were getting the ACT they were also giving blood transfusions too yes which were keeping them alive and making it seem if you give somebody a blood transfusion it's going to you know it perks them up and keeps you alive longer and um and so they were keeping those people alive artificially in order to you know make the drug look like it actually was efficacious that's the the crazy thing is what they're allowed to do in studies and one of the first correspondence that you and I had was uh we had read something where the description of why why the covid vaccines were 100% effective and what they used to make that distinction it's not no like explain that explain that because it's such a bizarre the way they do it it seems like it should Beal what they did with the covid vaccine is they they gave the co this is the fiser trial we know a lot about the fiser child because that was the one that was fizer was the one to get An approved vaccine you know it got the it did another trick it got one of its vaccines approved the Comm AR vaccine but that vaccine was not available in this country but they were able to say to people oh we have a approved vaccine and that made it okay for the colleges and everybody else to force you to take an emergency use authorization vaccine which is illegal nobody can tell you to participate in that medical experiment and so they played this kind of shell game but in order to get that um they they had to reveal their testing and what they what they T what they did was they gave uh 22,000 people the vaccine and 22,000 similar situated people the uh Placebo and in the after six months and they they actually they promised to do a five-year study but then they cut it back to two months or four months and and unblinded it you know right at the beginning so which is total deception now we don't know what any of the you know long-term effects are there's a lot of impacts from these um from the vaccines like every other drug that have long diagnostic Horizons and long incubation periods and if you don't have a fiveyear placebo control trial as fouchy himself said you need eight years he said you're going to miss a lot and you could have mayem and that's exactly so they used the excuse that this pandemic was so deadly that they had to unblind the trial and give this medication to everyone otherwise it would be unethical yeah otherwise it'd be unethical so you think that that was done on purpose do you think that was done to people's heads but it's it's not a good the Optics are not good so um so what they did is they had 22,000 people got the vaccine 22,000 and they have 6 months of data so of that is unblinded but it's 6 months and during that six-month period in the vaccine group one person died of covid and in the placea group two people died from covid so that allows fiser to tell the public and you know FDA to tell the public oh this vaccine is 100% effective because two is 100% of one that is insane what they should have been telling Americans and what they required to under the law is is to give them a a number that is called the nntv the number needed to vaccinate to save one life how many people do you have to vaccinate to save one life and the answer of course is you need to you need to vaccinate 22,000 people to save one life so if you're going to if you going to um if you can vaccinate 22,000 people to save one life you better make sure the vaccine itself is not killing anybody CU if it kills one person for 22,000 you've now canceled out the entire benefit of the product and when they looked at the key metric which was all cause mortality in other words how many people died of all not just from Co but of all causes in the vaccine group and how many died from all causes in the placeo group the placea group had uh had 17 people die and um or and the vaccine group had 21 so what that means is there were um there were more people died in the vaccine group that means you're but didn't the placebo group eventually take the vaccine because they were unblinded yeah they were unblinded but they but they still gave us the data the six-month data for the people so it's all I mean there's total information it's during six months though right it's six months it's six months of people that are adults some of them got it sooner two or four months but anyway they gave us the six months of data for the two designated groups and the you know it's an alarming result because there were four people who died of um four to five people who died of cardiac arrest in the placebo in the vaccine group and only one in the placebo group what that means is if you take the vaccine you're you know 21% more likely to die over 6 months according to this date according to this data which is you know not good data and not enough of a big group of a large enough group to really make these kind of predictions but it's all they gave us so they're stuck with this number if you take the vaccine you're 21% more likely to die of all causes and and when you look at the data you see that there's four cardiac arrests four to five because one of them looks like a cardiac arest but it may not be but there's at least four cardiac arz in in the vaccine group and only one in the placea group which means if you take the vaccine you're 400 more 400% more likely to die of a cardiac arrest over the next six months than if you didn't so that's not a good you know a product you know you wouldn't want to recommend that product much less mandate it and yet they did you were explaining to me when we were outside before we came in here I said I wanted to talk about it here instead you you were explaining how instead of using the ve system that there's a method of analyzing a whole host of data to find out about deaths how many coffins are ordered how many how many people die of heart attack Strokes there's is another way to look at yeah I mean there there the guy who kind of um showed that to the world was edow and edow was a i i he was he was a big Wall Street um guy he was one I think he he operated a one of the portfolio companies for Black Rock um he grew it and again this you know this needs to be checked a little and maybe James could but I think he grew from you know under a billion to4 billion dollars he was a a major player in Wall Street and the way he did that was he he saw the 20 8 crash coming because he's a numbers guy he sees the world in terms of numbers during the pandemic he had no no no kind of early exposure to the medical Freedom Movement or anything else he just started seeing data that made no sense to him and it was um a lot of those was kind of the all was the all cause mortality deaths he started seeing people dying after vaccination that shouldn't have been dying you know kids on the ball fields all of these you know the athletes Etc but he was looking at these non-conventional uh data sources like the ones that you spoke of he was looking at insurance industry actuar in insurance industry data that showed excess death particularly in younger groups spiking after the vaccine and seeing it all over the world and he ended up doing a book on this that is uh that is designed to be read in I think an hour or 90 minutes and it's a book it's an extraordinary book because it has all of these graphs that are um that are incredibly convincing compelling um but it's a it's the kind of book if you have a skeptic and you can get them to sit down for 90 minutes with this book when they get up they will uh they will have converted um and it has one part of the book is has like maybe a thousand photos of local newspap papers reporting athletes dying on playing fields these stories never made the national news but the local papers were were you know because they they'd happen at the local game and the local papers were covering them so there was no censorship in the local papers and it's really it's uh it's sickening I mean it's terrible these you know these beautiful children who were dying on the play field and Co was killing people but it was old people yeah cause unknown the epidemic of sudden deaths in 2021 and 2022 Edward Dow yeah yeah died after first vaccine dose dies at hospital football died on the field and none of this was reported and there's you know there's now there's thousands and thousands of those stories I think well they were ALS kind of suppressed yeah one of the data points he went in and looked globally people do die on playing fields it's it's pretty steady average of 29 per year for 30 years and we were getting during the after vaccination I think 29 per month you know so now here's the other concern um it's not just the people that died it's the people that suffer that are alive and that have an injury and that may it may have radically shortened their life well there's 15 million Americans according to um the vsafe data and the rasm poll 15 million Americans sought medical help after the vaccine that's you know and then you know vs which uh vers is unreliable but it's not unreliable because it's overestimated it's unreliable because it's underestimated and that's C cdc's own study says it it undercounts injuries by between 10 and 100% And so or 100 times not 100% 100 times so I think vs has 177,000 deaths um reported and you know over a million uh injuries maybe well over a million it's something like that James could look it up but in 1976 when they had this you know really bad flu shot um that they did the same thing with they did it you know Global roll out and everybody had to take it and they pulled the shot after 25 deaths reported 25 so now I mean there are you know we're living in a different Universe now in terms of Public Health I mean the the pharmaceutical industry has has captured the regulatory structure and you know and and just changed the entire way that people think about public health what do you think could be done about that and what what do you think you could do about that uh you know I think I'm I am and I I don't want this to sound self-promoting but I'm I ideally suited to do this because I I spent so much time litigating and writing about these agencies that I know how to unravel corporate C capture I know exactly what to do when I I get in there and for for a lot of them I know the individuals that have to be moved out and the kind of individuals that need to be moved in but also you need to get rid of these really corrupting Financial entanglements between the pharmaceutical industry and the regulatory a agencies that has put agency capture on steroids for example almost 50% of fda's budget comes from pharmaceutical companies they're not working for us they're working for the pharmaceutical company with CDC CDC has a 12 billion dollar budget and about five almost five billion of that goes to buying vaccines in sweetheart deals from these group these four companies and then promoting them to the public and so really partners with the pharmaceutical industry and the way that you get a promotion at CDC and the way you get recognition and salary increases and perform good performance reviews is by increasing vaccine uptake not by finding problems with vaccines and it's a it's a really bad it's no longer serving as a regulatory agency NIH has probably even the worst if you work at NIH and you work on a on a vaccine or other medical product you are allowed to actually to pocket royalties from that product so any product that you work on you can collect royalties on you can collect royalties that are now capped at $150,000 a year for life forever not just life but for your children's lives Etc as long as that product sold you have margin rights for the P Pat if you worked on it in NIH so the Monna vaccine which is half owned by NIH which means NIH will get half billions and billions of dollars from the sales of That vaccine which they made they're promoting they're telling everybody you need to get this but also there's either four or six individuals who were Anthony Fouch direct deputies who themselves are collecting $150,000 a year for life forever from that product although so that the Mercantile interest in making those are people are not going to find problems with the product because they're paying for their boats they're paying for their mortgages they're paying for their kids education I'm making sure that as many of those vaccines are sold as possible so let's make kids take them even though there's no data that show they help kids let's make every let's make pregnant women can take them make everybody take them because they're cashing in on it and that the Mercantile you know Ambitions have completely subsumed the the regulatory function of those agencies and and that has and you know one of the things that we need to do too is to get rid pharmaceutical advertising on television there's only two countries in the world that allow it one is New Zealand the other is our country everybody who is knowledgeable is against it um it and it not only has compromise you know has compromise Public Health we now we take largely because of that advertising we take three or four times the amount of drugs as Europeans take and drugs are the number three killer in our country pharmaceutical drugs the number three killer after cancer and heart attacks they're not making us healthier we have we spend more on health care 4.3 trillion than any country in the world and we have the worst Health impacts and we're behind like Mongolia Costa Rica Cuba in terms of our health outcomes oh all of these drugs the pharmaceutical industry is not making us safe sa safer it's not making us healthier and you know we changed the rule in 19 1997 prior to 1997 like cigarettes and liquor you couldn't advertise on TV we changed those rules and FDA allowed um the pharmaceutical companies to advertise and they not only now have a platform from which they can tell everybody you're sick you need this you need that um but also uh they are able to dictate content on television so they can dictate content on the you know on the local news and on YouTube yeah of course yeah that that's a terrifying thing and it's so deeply interwoven the the question that I would have to you is like how do you untangle that how well that you do one of these things at a time I and I you know I'm going to go in there and do it I'm going to is to an executive order on day one saying there's no more advertising on TV now FDA needs to implement that through the regulatory process but I also know how the regulatory process works and I know how to hasten it I know how to make it work faster for the American people so you know I um I don't I you know I'm looking forward to doing this I'm looking forward to telling FDA you're not taking form of money anymore opinions that you have have you had anyone debate you publicly about any of these nobody will debate me for 18 years nobody will debate me in fact I've scheduled many many debates and I've asked hotz many many times to debate me and I think you've asked him here why don't you debate Robert Kennedy and he said because he's a cunning lawyer or something like that but um yeah but I've debated hotas on the telephone with uh you know with kind of a refere and you know I his his science is is is just made up he cannot stand by it he can't site studies well he was trying to tell me that vaccines don't cause autism I said and his daughter has autism and he wrote a book yeah that but I my daughter doesn't have that didn't get her autism from a vaccine but I've read that book and there is no science cited in that book it's just him saying you know it didn't happen and listen I I wouldn't wish that on anybody I and God bless him and God bless that little girl and you know I WR have nothing but um you know good energy going to them and you know but it's not he's using her as a leverage to tell people you you know there's no problem here this is my point that I I asked him what does and he said there's a a few there's environmental factors are aware of I go what are those and you couldn't site them like how can you be so sure to say this definitely doesn't but you're telling me there's a bunch of environmental factors that do cause it and we're aware of those factors but you're not aware of them and you're an expert in this yeah how is that possible you're I mean that's the he's a health expert that's the big question that anybody who says it's not the vaccines I'm like okay fine but they don't want if you say it's not the vaccines people go ah good that's that's what I wanted to hear that's what I want to hear when you say it is the vaccines people go oh my God I don't want to hear that they don't want to hear it and they get angry they get angry at you and they go oh tin foil hack conspiracy theorist and but the fact that no one will debate you speaks volumes especially now they can't say now that you're not popular and what's uh crazy is that Biden now has decided he's not even going to debate anybody in the primary I I I I had um I'll just tell you one story the Connecticut state legisl was debating was um had a bill to end the religious exemptions for you know childhood vaccines in connetic and the head of the democratic party and legislature asked me to come out and debate a Yale professor in front of the legislature and I said great from the yo medical school and he called back and said there's going to be two of them and it's against you and um they're going to get two-thirds of the time and you get a third I said fine and then he called back and said there's going to be four of them and you each get six minutes and I said that's all I need and uh it's not fair but it's all I need and so I fly out on a red eyee I get to the state house and it's me and four empty chairs somebody told them or they all decided I don't know not to show up and that's happened to me again and again and again and again I agree to debates and it seems like somebody gets a message but you know who knows it's obscure but nobody in 18 years has been willing to debate me what is that like to carry that around I mean I know you kind of described it earlier in the sisifus analogy but it's I mean it's got to be insanely frustrating yeah I mean I can't imag I mean you you really handle it incredibly well uh I you know it is it's frustrating but I mean I listen I look at these um some of my friends that I've made over time who have children who are affected children who you know were um perfectly healthy kids who exceeded all their milestones and then they lost everything when they two years and a lot of these kids are so severely affected they'll never you know hold a job they'll never pay taxes they'll never uh write a poem U they'll never throw baseball they'll never go out on date with a girl or a boy and um they'll never serve in the military you know their lives are so constricted and the parents lives are all shattered you know these are a lot of these parents for most of them be because the children have these you know severe uh um anger and violence and they have these tactile sensitivities and light sensitivities and don't like strangers the the parents uh can't go out they can't you can't get a babysitter to take care of that child and parents not just stop going out on dates a lot of them give up their jobs they almost all of them um their careers are you know really debilitated and I see them going through that and you know anything that I go through is like nothing nothing so I don't you know spend any time thinking of myself I don't I just don't get frustrated by it because I all I have to do is think I'm here for those parents and uh you know and I'm lucky that you know I don't have to fight that battle because I I don't know if what I would I don't know if I could take it what pushed you to want to run for president I saw you know I grew up so proud of this country and loving you know this country and being proud and you know we were I grew up at a magical time in American history which economists call the great prosperity it's time between 1947 and like 1980 when our country became the wealthiest country in the world we we developed the middle class like nothing that's ever been seen in history we that became this economic machine and a machine for democracy and um it we were we were generating during that period half the wealth on the face of the Earth we owned here in this country everybody wanted American things America was the you know it was a moral Authority around the world it was a leader and everybody wanted our leadership they don't like our bullying but they wanted our leadership and they knew the difference but they wanted you know I I would travel in Europe when I was a kid and with my father and my mother and people just adored our country and um and people wanted blue jeans they wanted American cars they wanted victrol you know RCA victrolas and you know electronics and they wanted our movies and our television and I you know and they they wanted our democracy and you know I want my kids to grow up with that love for our country and that Pride for our country and I don't see the path from either political party getting us there at this point I think um you know both parties have lost their way and my party the Democratic party has become the party of War it's become the party of censorship it's become the party of pharmaceutical companies of you know the neocons this very aggressive belligerent of foreign policy that's forever Wars and um and then uh you know of the kind of political suppression that we saw and and this really this kind of this bizarre um turning our backs on the American middle class which is the only thing that sustains democracy if you don't have a middle class you can not any political scholar you know political scientist will tell you that if you have a large aggregations of wealth at the top and uh and widespread poverty below that that um that formulation uh is too unstable to support democracy and nobody and the middle class has just been wiped out in this country and nobody's talking about it it's really you know and I think that's why you know Trump was so popular is he you know was talk he was the one guy who's talking to those people and you know and he's say and they're angry because nobody's listening to him and and uh and Trump said you know I I'm listening to you and I'm going to go break things for you and they are angry and they want things to get broken and I think you know um we you know my father used to look at Latin America and and it was the same thing back then it was widespread poverty below and it was you know wealth above and US foreign policy was to sort of fortify those oligarchies and support with weapons Etc the military hunas that were keeping those people in suppression because they were anti-communist and my father said there's going to be a revolution in those countries and if if we continue those policies the Communists are going to own the Revolution and they're going to own the future and we have to give Aid directly to the poor and stop giving it to the oligarchs and stop giving it to the military and that's why my uncle and father started the alliance for progress and usaid to do something had never done before which is to develop middle class by funding the development of middle class of the poor and I would say that same thing is happening in this country today that where you know where the oligarchs are running things and the military and there there's going to be a revolution and either it can be owned by Donald Trump or we can try to you know um Marshall and mobilize that energy uh for a more idealistic vision of our country and um you know when my father ran in 68 he put together a populist Coalition of left and right and you know and he was able to do that he was able to do that by telling the truth to people including truths that they didn't want to hear and he was you know on the last day that he died the day he died he won the the most most Urban state in our country which was California and the most rural state which was South Dakota he had bridged the gap between and when I you know I I was with him when he died in Los Angeles and then we flew his body back on us to on you know Humphrey's plane vice president Humphrey's plane to New York and and then we waked him in St Patrick Cathedral and the crowds just you know it was like a flood of humanity and that um on the you know on that street that the whole street was blocked people standing 10t deep for half a mile and then we brought him from Penn Station in Washington we he was in the Caboose and the cofin and then there was a a train we took to Union Station in Washington DC and uh the people on that train were the people who would have been probably the one of the the the greatest governments in in United States history and um and my uh and that train ride was supposed to take two and a half hours it took s and a half hours CU there were two million people on the tracks and they were you know they were white people they were mil people military uniforms they were Boy Scouts standing saluting I remember passing a A Little League field where all of the people all the kids on both sides were standing holding their gloves and saluting um and the coaches and all the people in the stand were Catholic priests there was rabbis I remember passing in Delaware I was 14 at that time um a uh a pickup truck that had six or seven nuns uh in their habits standing in the bed of the truck and they were and they were waving rosaries and handkerchiefs at us in the in the major Urban centers the train stations we crept through at a crawl to avoid hitting people but they were just jammed with people almost all black people in Trenton and work in Baltimore and Wilmington um uh and they were singing The Battle Hill him of the Republic we had that the windows open on the train and uh and then there were hippies and tie-dye t-shirts you can go look at the people there's photographs of the people lining that track you know you can call them up over there James if you if you if you if you find it but anyway when we got to Washington President Johnson was met us there and took us um in a convoy we rode past the mall and when we got to the mall there was my uncle or my father and Martin Luther King had been talking together and they were they were talking about how do we get poor people the right you know because the Vietnam War was sucking all the money out of the war in poverty and they said how do we get poor poor people to get politically mobilized and they said we need to call them all to Washington DC and have them camping here until Congress acts and so the king had died two months before my father was now dead Mary and Wright Edelman had brought all these people there you know working for the two of them and there were thousands of men that were encamped in these plastic shanties on the mall and they all came to the sidewalk and they bowed their heads and held their hats to their chest and we drove slowly past them up to Arlington Cemetery and we buried my a dad next to my uncle four years later so that was 68 four years later in 1972 I was studying uh politics in Boston and American history and I came across this demographic data that showed that the people the white people who had lined that train track and who had supported my father in Maryland and Delaware Pennsylvania um in New Jersey during the 68 campaign in the primaries in 72 did not vote for George McGovern and was very sympatico with my father on all these issues very much aligned but they voted instead for George Wallace who was absolutely antithetical to everything my father believed is a rampant Fierce segregationist and I knew him very well in his old age um but it occurred to me then and it struck me many times since that every nation like every individual has a darker side and a lighter side and the easiest thing for a politician to do is to appeal to our hatred and our bigotry and our fear you know and our xenophobia and you know our mistrust of immigrants or whatever and that every once in a while you know politicians like my dad come along who um who have a different approach which is to get people persuade people one way or another to transcend their narrow self-interest and see themselves as part of a community as part of a a large Adventure you know and and be willing to take risks for Neighbors who don't look like them because they feel like they're part of something important you know part of maybe reconstructing our country and making it live up to its promises and and and to avoid the seduction of the notion that we can advance ourselves as a people by leaving our poor brothers and sisters behind and my dad was able to do that successfully and I think you know that we have that opportunity now and you know I you know that's why I my father was able to do something that made people find the hero in themselves you know people to take risks because it takes a risk to make a sacrifice or to believe in your community and my dad was able to do that and you know I would I would like to be able to do that to this country for this country and I think is uh you know it's the only way that we're going to save this country if people can find a way to unify you know people from the left and the right and to build the kind of populist movement and my father was able to build in 1968 what has it been like uh the what what is the experience been like for you of making the decision to run and then now running and having doing these interviews and seeing all these hit pieces written about you and even in the New York Times what has this been like well at least they're writing something about me um you know I'll tell you what it's been it's been it's been wonderful it's been amazing and you know I'm I'm uh my biggest worry is Cheryl because um she uh and she's happy doing it your wife yeah explain and she says to send you her her love um but she uh but you know it's been good I mean I I we've got an extraordinary track and the thing is that I'm not going to win this by winning the sympathies of the mainstream media um I I really think these podcasts have the capacity to change uh politics in this country this year and you know it's interesting because in 1960 my uncle uh President Kennedy had you know realized that this new media called television which had never been used in a political campaign before for was a media that was very friendly to him for a variety of reasons in other words he was it was a media that he was able to master pretty well that um people like to see him on it and uh and it won him the election which is was the Nar narrowest election at that time in American history and then in 2016 Donald Trump recognized a new technology which was Twitter which uh that he could communicate in this kind of way that was unique to him you know these kind of sound bites very powerful sound bite um you know outrageous remarks on Twitter that got him these you know that that built him an audience a very loyal and everybody thought he was crazy um but he was able to take that technology and really you know turn it into a and weaponize it uh politically well also that and the go ahead please well I I'm not saying that's the only thing but that did he a lot of other stuff going for him but but he had a new media as I'm what I'm saying and I think this year the podcast are going to be uh are going to you know have the potential to revolutionize American politics because um for the first time you can and run the mainstream media I mean I I was talking to somebody about this the other day that uh CNN now has a viewership of I think something like 350,000 people a night uh um Tucker when he was at Fox had a had a viewership at the end about 4.5 million so he was 10 times as big as CNN and you at you know your your top like mccullock I think you were getting almost 40 million or something maybe more I don't know what it is but you are then 10 times bigger than Tucker and 100 times bigger than CNN and there you know there's a lot of people out there and this is for me it's a good media you know for a variety of reasons and I've been able to um reach a lot of people you know it's a very very populous media it reaches people who are on the far left and on the far right and it kind of unifies them and those are you know the audience that I think I I'm I'm most likely to if I I mean my campaign is about uh bringing those two groups together the left and the right in a popular movement and I think podcast may be a formula for doing that I think you're probably right um and I think there's a lot more that are going to be willing to have you on the question is going to be like what happens with those episodes on YouTube yeah you know we don't have to worry about this with that with this episode but what it you know with other people they would people that I know would probably be interested in having you on but you know YouTube dangles those strikes over your head and they also dangle demonetization over your head which is uh so say if you have an episode that's very popular but controversial they'll they can demonetize that episode and if they choose to do so you lose all the revenue which could be pretty substantial and so people self-censor because of that yeah the the thing is that I'm not running on vaccines yeah no I understand that it doesn't matter if if people the the only time that I will talk about vaccines if somebody asked me about it if you wanted to do this whole interview and never talk about vaccines be fine for me I mean I think I I'll never do an interview like this again probably because this is the only place I could do this and really sort of lay out the whole thing otherwise this would not survive for two minutes right and so I don't think I'll do that but I don't need to do that because I you know I have a lot of other issues and my central issue is how do you rebuild the middle class and how do we get out of these forever Wars how do you get out of the Ukraine war the Ukraine war is easy to get out of I mean the has been wanting to settle that war from the beginning really yeah I mean the M Accords was a settlement and that was you know that we basically you know encouraged seninsky seninsky ran in 2019 here's a guy who a comedian and a uh you know and an actor um which I'm not saying in a disparaging way but he's probably should my wife is those things too yeah oh um but he uh he he so why how did he W how did he win with 70% of the vote he won because he ran on a peace platform promising to sign the M Accords which was an agreement that Russia France and Germany had all agreed to which would have left UMAS as part of of uh Ukraine as an autonomous region so they can now enjoy their own language the ethnic Russians and they and they and protect themselves from Attack by the central government which was us you know installed central government and um and that NATO would stay out of the Ukraine and that's what the Russians wanted a pledge that NATO will never go in which we should have made for them we shouldn't we have no business putting nato in the Ukraine we promised we'd never do that we committed to it and we've repeatedly violated those promises and there's people in the White House who want this war and they've said it repeatedly even President Biden has said the purpose of the war is to depose Vladimir Putin and um and what install a public government install the that's what the same people who who got rid of Sadam Hussein which cost us8 trillion dollar and Iraq is now worse off and we found it we killed more Iraqis than Saddam Hussein we we forced Iraq into you know this bondage to Iran where they're now proxy state of Iran we've reduced that nation into a you know this incoherent me that it's just a you know a battle between Shia and Sunni desad we created Isis we then had to do the Syrian War the Y War the Afghan Pakistan we drove 2 million refugees into Europe and destabilized every democracy in Europe for the next two generations and created brexit that's what we got for that 8 trillion dollar that you know and the ravage middle class in our country the same people who we thought the Neons who ran that oper lied to us about weapons of mass destruction tricked us into that War and who we thought were now out of government forever parah you know in disgrace they're now all back in the Biden Administration with a new project and you know Lloyd Austin who Iden San secretary said the purpose of the war for us is to exhaust Russia and degrade its capacity to fight any place in the world well that's not good for the Ukraine because the way we're exhausting Russia is by butchering two 350,000 Ukrainian kids I mean we have turned that nation into an abitar of death for the flower of Ukrainian youth in a in a geopolitical and I'm not excusing PL Putin Putin is a thug a monster a gangster who illegally invaded and didn't need to we need to take responsibility for the provocations which we have you know which these neocons have been have been provoking for you know for over a decade and by the way um the reason we're in that war is because American are good people and you know we were convinced granted we're using these kind of comic book depictions that they're now you know the military industrial complex is is um now expert at sewing from us of this kind of good versus evil you know all this this whole thing that gets us into these wars and keep you know that war is a money laundering record for for the military country rors the money is going there and then coming right back and then they all go on CNN you know the generals Etc who if you look at their resumés they're all working for General Dynamics and the military contractors and and they tell us we need to be in this war and tell us horror stories Etc but we're there because Americans are good people and they have compassion and they want to redress a wrong but and by the way my son went over there and fought you know and he joined you know he without telling us he left law school and and a summer job and he went over there and joined the Foreign Legion and wor fought as a as a machine gunner for a Special Forces Unit during the gke offensive so you know I I look I the Ukrainian people The Valor of those people and the you know the anguish that they're suffering is is beyond you know any description but um we need to look at our role in it and we need to look for roads to peace you know and not not try and try to end the killing there's 30 to 80 thousand Russians who kids who have died there too and you know we shouldn't be exalting over that we should be trying to find find a sett the US should be the grownup in the room that's saying how do we stop the Bloodshed that's what we should be doing over there and not to achieve these and and I'll just say one other thing Joe that war has cost us $13 billion do that's the commitment so far we cdc's entire budget is 12 billion a year um FDA or or epa's entire budget is about 12 billion we have 57% of our our people in this country cannot put their hands on $1,000 to if they need to if there's an emergency 25% of Americans are hungry now are not getting enough food I have a friend who is a commercial fisherman who spent his life on you know on the Fisheries had a business put it together but because it's a private business because he was are working a lot for other people he doesn't have benefits he now has disability his son-in-law runs the business but can't support him he is a disability and um and he has been surviving on $280 wor the food stamps from the SNAP program and that doesn't take you too far but on March 1st he got a robo call from the government saying your food stamps have been cut by 90% you're now getting $25 a month try feeding yourself on 90 cents a day in this country 30 million Americans got that call these are and that same month we bailed out we we printed 300 billion new dollars to bail out the Silicon Valley Bank and we tapped off the Ukraine war commitment to 113 billion so we got lots of money for the for the military industrial complex lots of money for the bankers you know the banksters but we're starving Americans to death starving them and his because of all the inflation we spent 16 trillion on the lockdown we wasted got nothing for it 8 trillion on the Ukraine war that's $24 trillion that they had to print to pay for nothing that money the way they're paying it back they're not going to tell us they raiseed taxes because you can't do that it's a hidden tax called inflation and it hits the poor and the middle class and it has dismantled the middle class in this country my friends food bills for Basic Foods like chicken Dairy and eggs has increased 76% in 2 years to pay for the Iraq war or the Ukraine war the Iraq War and the lockdowns his food prices are going up and now the government's telling him well we have plenty of money for the military and the banks we don't have it for Americans who are you know hardworking people and uh you know something is not right we don't have we're in a crisis in this country we're in you know and we need to start looking at we need to start unraveling the Empire we have 800 bases abroad we were told after in 1992 when when the Soviet Union collapsed we were told we were going to get a peace dividend at the military expenditure was going going to go from 600 billion a year to 200 billion and we were going to stop making billion dollar stealth bombers that can't fly in the rain and that we're going to take that money home and build schools with it and build infrastructure and give healthare good health care in the inner cities and then none of that happened and today instead of going down to 200 billion it's gone up the total military expenditure if you include National Security is 1.3 billion and it hasn't made us safer it's made us worse off you know 1.3 trillion 1.3 trillion if you include yeah I think you said billion no 1.3 trillion if you include National you know this the security apparatus and you know all the stuff that you have to walk through at the airports and if you include uh the 300 billion uh to uh the veterans which you can't cut you know the veterans are you know are we have 29 a day killing themselves you know this these wars are not good for our country or our kids and we need to stop being an Empire and instead come home rebuild the middle class and then project economic power the way the Chinese do who are eating our lunch because they know not to Pro to project military power they to project economic that's how you win the hearts and minds of the world in National Security my my uncle John Kennedy you know did that he he refused to go to war so he he was surrounded by military industrial confs and um and he learned very early and an intelligence apparatus that he realized early on that the purpose of the CIA and the intelligence apparatus was to create a constant pipeline of Wars for for the military industrial complex the day three days before he took the oath of office Eisenhower who is the outgoing president gave what is probably the most important speech in American history which was you know where he warned against the military industrial complex I was at my uncle's inauguration I was in Washington that day as a you know a six-year-old boy and I was sitting on the stands behind him during in front of him during his inauguration and he understood that and two months later the military and intelligence came to him and said we got it uh we got to invade Cuba and he was like I'm not going to Cuba and I'm not going to let the military and they said well we got all these Cubans trained and they're going to go attack Castro and he said well we can't the US government can't be doing that we can't be attacking we we I don't like what Castro is doing down there but it's not the United States job to dictate what of governments other countries have and they said well as soon as they land there's going to be a big revolution everybody's going to rise up and they're going to overthrow Castro and he said well you can't use the US Military and they ended up bringing those guys over with uh United Fruit boats and then in the middle of it the night they came to him and said they're getting wiped out on the beach and you need to send in the military and invade and he said we're not going to do it and he stepped out of that meeting and he realized they had been lying to him and trying to trick him and he said I want to take the CIAA and shatter it into a thousand pieces and Scatter it to the winds and um and then you know for the next a thousand days of his presidency he was at war with his military and and and intelligence apparatus they tried to get him to go into allows he said no they tried to get him to go into Vietnam with combat troops they said we need 250,000 combat troops he refused everybody around him want him to go into Vietnam he sent 16,000 military advisers has fewer people than he sent to get James Meredith into Old Miss in Jackson Mississippi to get one black man into school he sent fewer in Vietnam they weren't allowed to fight that many of them did they vot violated The Rules of Engagement in October of 1963 he heard that some of his Green Berets have been killed over there and he said I want a total casualty Liz from Vietnam and his Aid came to him and said 75 Americans have died he said that's too many and he signed that Day a national security order ordering all troops out of Vietnam US troops the first thousand over the next month and then the res by the beginning of 1965 and um and then a a month later he was killed so um but what his view was is that he believe that the view of American should abroad should not be you know a soldier with a gun it should be a peace score volunteer building you know Wells and it should be usaid helping poor people and it should be Alliance for Progress building middle class and that's what he did and he started the Kennedy milk program to to you know give nutrition to poor kids all over the world as a result of that in Africa today there are more statues to John Kennedy more boulevards named after more hospitals schools universities Avenues and all the major cities named after him than any other president and that is the the that the the Chinese have taken that template and done the same thing now and they are you know take all these countries that were supposedly allied with us are now reing with the Chinese and they're switching to their currency because the Chinese are not there to kill people they're there you know to to build roads to build universities to build colleges and it turns out that people like that a lot more and you know we should be projecting economic power around the globe and not military power it will make us much stronger but what do you think happens when you get into office like if you're you're you're talking about your uncle who was assassinated and you believe the intelligence agencies were part of that what happens to you well I got to be careful I me I'm aware of that and I'm not you know I I'm aware of the of that danger and you know I don't live in fear of it um you know at all but I'm not stupid about it and I take precautions so you know um I do things that I don't want to do in order and I live my life now you know in ways that I don't want to I like to be out you know shaking hands with people and going alone into communities um and uh and you know there's things I can't do anymore you know so and but I do it because I know um I know those risks exist and I know that I you know pose a big threat to many vested interest that um you know uh and and that there that there is a danger a danger in that well uh I think I think we'll wrap it up here that was uh three hours Joe thank you so much thank you very much uh I really appreciate talking to you uh I appreciate your your courage and uh your conviction and just the way you think appreciate it very much likewise thank you thank you all right bye everybody [Music]