is Lucifer the god of the Freemasons yes To join Freemasonry you have to be invited You can't just join it And the general sort of understanding is that this is going to be very good for business for social interaction for your career So they allow you to worship like Yahova or Yahweh You worship any god you want but that's the only qualification because they're going to convert whoever they are over to worshiping the great architect of the universe hail lan AI has the same destination whether you're doing it for good or evil So it's like good magic and black magic Do these people know that they're advancing a system that has been prophesied as having to happen for the rise of the antichrist or do they not the fallen angels continue to tell their offspring their descendants of their offspring that they can still win Is there a hierarchy for these things like Illuminati Freemasons the fairy tale concept goes back many years for when they're ready to reveal things that we would accept that more easily And they can tell us that they told us we just didn't understand This fairy tale concept both Tolkien and Lewis were talking about is they consider the Bible a fairy tale cuz they both said so I'll show you their doctrines and the fruits of their works And if they ever became Christian they never recanted their writings Many Freemasons are witches Why because they're adepts and they are leading the setting up of new towns They're there to set up their legal claim to the new continent When Moses dies we have Satan showing up to claim his body That's because he is initiated at Helopolis People confuse and conflate wrath and tribulation You said you don't want to live through it No Do you think you will probably People have to get over the fear of death in all connotations because if you know what is really going to happen you will be fearful Hey before you get into this this is a dense and meaty episode We have Gary Wayne back in town with us and we talked a lot about a lot of different things We covered a bit of the ancient roots of Freemasonry some secret societies uh what happens in those organizations and we spent a big chunk of time talking about end time prophecy which personally I was very fascinated with Um and shocker it's all in the Bible and it's very easy to read and understand So uh you're going to like this one but it is dense and so prepare yourself There are a couple moments where uh we just we got to come up for air and talk about something silly like Lord of the Rings and then we go back into um the end times stuff and it's awesome It will leave you inspired maybe a little bit um afraid but also inspired Enjoy Everyone wants to get to the high places but if you want to go high you first have to go deep What's up welcome back to Deep In What's up Jake what up what were you looking at i was just double checking your camera I know I like how you smoothed back into place right before you had to respond Yeah you are a professional I try to do my job well bro You're hardcore man You're so hardcore Hey we're here with Gary Wayne the Gary of Wayne from Canada Thank you for being here Thank you for inviting me You're always welcome You could live here if you want Well that's a good place to live We've got a place for you You just stay all the time Answer all my questions Uh if you're not familiar with Gary Wayne he is a Christian conspiracist Whoa Contrary spiritist Would you be a conspiracist too well I'd have to be with the name of the book We should talk about the difference between conspiracy theories and uh delayed truth We'll talk about that in a minute He wrote the two books The Genesis 6 conspiracy um which is fascinating You should pick up a copy of this book and read it And then Genesis 6 conspiracy part two which is uh more about it's got prophetic elements about how tracing this and knowing this prepares us for the end times Which book was your favorite to write they're they're both good but I really like Oh Gary let's pull your mic a little bit closer Sorry Keep going Keep going You're good Perfect He doesn't like that mic in his face I don't think he does He likes it far away I do So you you were telling us your favorite Yeah I I think I like I like both but I think uh my favorite is book two In in book one I had different goal for what I wanted to do but book two really played to things that I had already researched on and sort of alluded to But the nature of the book where I was trying to let historians and organizations and religions speak in their own words I tended to use those quotes just to verify the veracity of what they had said But in book two because it's directly uh for Christians and to go deeper into the Bible then I could get into some of those other things that I was kind of alluding to So I go deeper into etmology I go deeper into word meanings in the Hebrew and the Greek and I go deeper into prophecy And so and then I also go so deep in book two in terms of trying to understand the Old Testament how the Bible is written that it it really you know is my favorite because it gave me an opportunity to write about things that I thought I probably wouldn't write about And I said I would never write a sequel And that's because I didn't understand how to write it And I didn't want to be redundant And I had other things that I wanted to do versus what the audience was saying that they wanted And so I finally listened and uh and I stopped the book I was writing And then I learned how to write book three through book two which will be ready probably a couple three years with the the calendar looking a couple three years like nine 6 n years I will guarantee it's shorter than book two and shorter than book one It's like 800 pages Maybe not that much shorter cuz it's going to be loaded with information You want me to proof it for you if you send it to me early i can't I could do that Okay I will take that mantle I will take that for you I can't wait to read book three You were telling me a little bit about it We drove to Chipotle to eat food Mhm And I wish I would have recorded the whole thing because just the I had had a question and then that question turned into like my whole life being rethought because everything's everyone's lied to me So back to the conspiracy thing Oh no Um Christians have a bad name sometimes for being conspiracy theorists Yeah But then you find out that they were they were right like 3 years after the fact Um I don't know if you've ever talked about this but like the development of conspiracy as a word and how it's basically come in and anything that is truth they're putting it in movies so that we don't look at it Like how far should we go cuz I could find myself going crazy if I go down that rabbit hole Yeah they've changed the meaning of conspiracy to mean something that it wasn't really designed to convey Um so but that's not unusual in today because they were able to coin a phrase to seed more information and utilize even what was true for the misinformation And so it kind of works their benefit to do it But it's starting to flip on that because as you sort of I think were alluding to in recent years all the things that everybody said was conspiracy it's turning out to be true Well that opens the door to how much are they lying to us about and my message to people is is you have no idea how much they are hiding from you and trying to mislead you with And until you understand their language and how they operate they've got you right where they want you And it's kind of like being a mushroom so to speak And so um and and in a way that they keep you pacified uh but and not curious And you've been prepared to do that all of your life So if you're wanting to understand how the world works then you're going to probably do it in phases and it's going to be difficult Um it's eyeopening uh once you recognize the patterns of what's going on but it's better to know than not to know And it's better to make a choice based on informed information than not to make a choice because no choice is still a choice Yep When you say they you're referring primarily to the families and the royals that is kind of precede government that we would think about today Yeah It's the invisible ones that work behind the scenes literally invisible as the spiritual realm and the hierarchy who the visible ones answer to and that's the uh the external hierarchy that uh Alice Bailey is talking about for and when she wrote for 2025 you're going to have the externalization of the hierarchy So we're going to see the invisible ones become more visible as we get closer to the days of Noah so to speak and that we'll find out how they're working with the visible ones but they're still going to do it in a way that it's going to confuse you So it's why you want to be able to discern things and that the there are invisible ones as they like to talk about within the visible ones And they've become more invisible more from about the say the 12th to 13th century on just as you have the council of 33 families who call themselves the invisible ones Right so they remain more behind the scenes than front and center So when we're looking at this hierarchy of who runs things it's the secret societies But the secret societies is an organizational structure that comes from the royals And when I use the word royale um I'm talking about a word that goes back in its etmology through French king to um regalis and and regal out of Latin for ruler and regg for ruler in Indo-Aryan the language of the giants because it in that language of the giants infiltrates our languages even to into this day an L uh as in AL is a transliteration of E for an angel or a god So it's the royals who set up all of the organizational structures around the world The secret societies is probably the largest one as it interconnects with other types of organizations but it's the easiest way to understand how it works with the royals at the top Beginning with the 13 families in the west not around the world 13 families in the west There's probably another 13 families around the world and the 33 families underneath and the committee of 300 families with the Rosacruian as that intersection between uh the pure bloods and the rising lower bloodlines that come up through Freemasonry Illuminati into the Rosacrusian bottom half as part of that phamic tree trunk Is there a hierarchy for these things like Illuminati Freemasons yeah I gave it to you but I'll start from the bottom Freemasonry at the bottom Illuminati Rosaian committee of 300 families council of 33 families 13 families intersects into there be I'm not sure how many families out of the 13 that are part of the worldwide one but they have they are well represented are those 13 families traceable back to the Nephilim yes they keep their genealogies that go back into prehistory that go back twofold uh one to a Nephilim or a Raphaim um patriarch or matriarch and to one of the celestial mafia godfathers So one of the fallen angels Um and so they keep these genealogies um forever I mean right from the beginning they've kept them So when Prince Charles before he became King Charles III he said he was uh descended from Vlad the Impaler which is who Dracula is based on the vampire movies And Dracula means son of a dragon with the A on the end And it's rooted in Drac and Draant meaning a watcher in Greek And that's just the tip of the iceberg because Vlad the Impaler is your typical noble Kelt your noble giant He's red-haired He's hazelite pale skinned sensitive to light educated at the uh mystery school um in in Austria in Vienna And he's of the bloodlines and he takes his bloodlines back to a tribe produced by Hercules the Agrithy and uh at another branch as well because there's an enobling that goes on So there's two patriarchal angels involved there but understanding they're part at least in part of the u creditens that we talked about um in another show Uh it's coming from Zeus as the credens is one of those genszenses Um there's another angel that they would take in their belief system I don't have a a lot of documentation on this so I do want to be careful with it I have some but it tends to go back to Tamil which we might know as Kezadia in the book of Enoch And so those would be the two So if that last one isn't 100% true I'm told it's en noble but it's hard to get verification on some of these things What was that what was that fallen angel responsible for doing well it was one of the top seven in the book of Enoch right so you would look at that as one of the top Satans So in the book of Enoch you have Satan Hasset and then Satan So Aazil is one of them but Aazil would be sort of the chief of the Satans So very powerful would be represented today as one of the seven wandering stars seven days of the week and the main you know the famous seven you know around the world just with different vernacular names Got it Um I want to talk about Bye Heather Bye See you For those watching Heather just left the room Yeah Your wife doesn't care anymore Very like non-conspicuous too Yeah that was really really smooth Um okay back to genius stuff with the seven fallen angels Am I mistaken in thinking that they taught different things to mankind or did they did all all all all different arts and and crafts so So they just had like a lane pardon me I mean have like a lane that they Yes they did They did But the six didn't provide anywhere near what one did And that would be aazil So an Aazil in the book of Enoch is t is said to have provided so many different things and also a tribute in my opinion uh what Shemyaza is accounted for as well because Shamyaza isn't like the name Aazil It isn't like you know Uriel It doesn't end in eel and it looks like a transliteration or corruption downstream in the book of Enoch But you can take it back to some etmological language So for example Shamyaza you could take that back to Shem as in men of renown Shem and famous or infamous And also Shemayim or Shema in the singular for heavens So Shamim would be heavenly ones And aza is uh a Zen word and an Arabic word for an angelic being And aza is part of aazil So if you have the front half as a heavenly one and the back half of aazil you basically have the compounded word there as well Soazil is the scapegoat for the anti-delivian sins because he taught the most and also was the destroyer god that taught all the arts and crafts of war and all the technology that would go with it and was the leader of the watchers and is the one who was sent to the abyss pit prison in the book of Enoch as well So when I look at all the other ones are they kind of important but they're kind of minuscule to the level of what Aazil had done and it may account for why there's a second goat that is sacrificed on the day of atonement Uh the first is for the sins of Israel and the second is for a scapegoat for unknown sins sent to the wilderness And that's the Hebrew word in in the Hebrew as not scapegoat or you know kind of anything to do with a goat It's a zazil except that a zazil you can also take back and it's compounded words from as and aaz back to goat as well Got it Can you can you talk to us about who you've mentioned um Alice Bailey Can we get some history on him i don't I know who the name is but I'm not super familiar with what he did Yeah It's a she it's Alice Okay Sorry Yeah And she was a very famous gnostic um uh you know probably I would say you know let's say a generation ago and she was very much um involved with the Gnostic movement the new age movement very much involved with getting printed products and lucistus trust and with the globalist movement Uh so she's a very very important uh individual that comes out ofnosticism and theosophy um that uh still is considered on the occult side one of those go-to people that is talking about the polytheist side of the end time Who was was she responsible for creating um any of the Freemasonry predated her yes So was did she create anything or how did she figure this out she would be she'd be an adept Okay Right Got it One sec I'm going to look up her name real fast Who was the person who in who was like the founder of the Luciferian church it's a different person correct um how's it spelled i'm looking it up A L I C E B A I L E Y Now anything that's sort of associated with her from a Christian perspective would be a Luciferian church but she would be more understo [Music] Not good Not good Yeah Okay Got it Luciferian How does Luciferian fit into these secret societies or is it totally separate well Luciferians are almost a cult within the real religion So they're almost like misinformation that's out there They're low-level for the most part So is Lucifer the god of the Freemasons yes Um but not how we see these low-level sort of churches at and it doesn't mean that they don't have some bloodlines or um maybe some organizational relationship But understand the the Gnostic religion is polytheism with Satan as being the chief god and it's a highly structured professional organization um and very very secretive So um there's just so many things that you don't want to be careful with sort of the caricaturures that come with these satanic visible type of churches It's more I think for misinformation Got it Um as it pertains to Freemasonry I have a lot of there are questions that come in about Freemasonry Um I have a couple of friends who are um actually just in the organization because they think it's um interesting and self-help and um one of my friends got into Freemasonry for like protection cuz ex-military What is Freemasonry cuz it's hard to figure out what it is Yeah it's first level on the uh theic trunk What's that the phmic trunk is a name they it comes from a group of Rosacrruian writers as they describe their organizational structure and it's a Greek word that comes out of the Bible for you'll see it translated you know it comes from Greek them meaning God's will Mhm So they use that but then they mistransate it a couple of times where it's going to be in reference to um sexual improprieties and things like that And that's sort of to reflect their free will of what they do as they corrupt and usurp everything they can from the Bible So when they look at the term uh as as above so below they have a different meaning than above as being our heaven with God and where we are on earth Their heaven is in Shades or um Hades or Shaol where their gods reside Right so this phmic tree just like the genealogical tree is a themic tree for the genealogies has its roots that go down into the earth into another dimension because those locations are located through portals in their belief system And so they get their genealogical roots from the celestial mafia godfathers that we talked about earlier the fallen angels the gods and they receive their authority with this other tree So you can imagine the genealogical themic tree as like an asht tree an oak tree or an elm tree and preferably the elm tree which is very important in in uh the Gnostic religion Um won't go into the history but those are like umbrella trees right oak trees can maybe grow a little bit more straight up but still that sort of concept just like oak was the holy tree of the Druids So they'll use them interchangeably within the different cultures And you also have this cedar of Lebanon that the organizational structure is based on So that is this giant tree that's used in Amos uh too for the description of the Amorites to being like the cedars of Lebanon as giants It's a simile They weren't that big because these trees were 100 ft tall and 50 ft around But again it gives you the 2:1 height to width ratio for the stout aspect uh when you're looking at biblical references like OG's bed for example uh 9 and four cubits as that 2:1 stout sort of ratio and description of the giants So what's interesting about this tree as well is is that it's the branches come down So this is the theomic tree for the secret society organizational trunk structure and those trunk organizations are on the trunk and then you have all these branches that intersect around the tree and that has a hierarchy within all of the branches So you have a major branch organization that intersects into the phmic tree And so for example you would have just to do some quick examples the skull and bones initiatory organization um on the Ivy League colleges in the US is an Illuminati organization and they have the emblem of the of the Illuminati and they have the Templars skull and bones right and so that would be one of those organizations that would intersect into the uh the trunk as an example So the Davos crew uh World Bank is another organization IMF is another one World Trade Organization those types of organizations would enter into the committee of 300 trunk section And so the more powerful and influential is the higher they intersect as branching out from that trunk And so you can imagine these branches all the way around with all these different organizations going right around the tree Now you have a framework to understand how big their organization would be If you use a pyramid which you might be able to use within one organization you run out of room to put more organizations into in a proper hierarchal structure Got it How my question with all this stuff comes up is there's got to be I'm trying to look for logical explanations for how they've gotten so powerful Um is it are there people in these organizations who have been alive for like 700 years you always hear the story is like if you live long enough you can take over a lot But how are how do they do this i won't dismiss that there might be some that live to be longer ages but it's it's unlikely Um but they do try and advance the occult sciences to do these kinds of things So but we know life was limited to 120 years after the creation of the giants in Genesis 6:3 And we see that bear out in the generations after the flood So they struggle with trying to create that longer life as well But what they did do was they usurped through their size And so if the giants were larger than postaluvian giants and the largest giant that I know of is Orantes that the river is named after and Gilgamesh This isn't biblical They'd be 19 feet tall because they're 11 cubits tall both of them Um and AUGG being 9 cubits uh fitting into a 9 cubit long bed which would be 15 to 16 ft So say 14 to 15 ft at the tallest level Um anti-deluvian giants were thought to be a lot bigger Okay So they had the ability both before and after the flood to dominate society because of their sheer size and their ability to work together Some people say that's the hive mind That's the occult belief system that they had this telepathy that uh they had at one time that they would like to regain And so you see things like the neurolink being kind of developed and things like that to do so And so when we look at what they did with that power is they took over the first two classes both before and after the flood So when you look at the four class system we also know that as the feudal system in in Europe it's the same class system It is the same system all over the world So if you look at first nations in North America Central America and South America they have the same class system even to this day So bloodlines for the chiefs bloodlines for the priests And then you have the two lower classes The two lower classes uh consist of the third level of tailor bakers blacksmiths small entrepreneurialship and the slave class and the fourth class or the working class or the sacrifice class depending on what part of history that uh you're dealing with here And the top two classes control the royal bloodlines and the larger family because it's all one larger family just different branches as it comes down and gets bigger over the years And so they controlled the kingships They controlled all of the priests in the religions They controlled all of the education and only educated themselves They controlled all the leaders as the officers and generals commanders of the army The humans would populate the sacrificial class of the pawns if you were the foot soldiers right they weren't the the knights and the charioters and things like that And they also populated the oligarch class So they controlled all the big business And so they were able to hold that system for millennia and to keep people uneducated and and unable to organize properly and to understand what was going on And this is where the word elite comes from Um I would say elim And you although you can't get the meaning of that out of the Bible you actually have one of the mountains during the Exodus named Elm It just has a different meaning than what I am So I mean they consider themselves superior is the definition of elite through genealogy through education through a privileged class Uh so I prefer alem over elite as they would probably do And again fits with my sort of scenario of giants with an IM plural Yeah And ites for the the hybrids and the uh and the humans So and so when we look at that class system that they were able to have you see things in perfection on how to control So the best example for the west to understand is the system in Great Britain And that system has been in place for a very long period of time And since since its rise 99% of the land was owned by 1% of the population by the royals And so when we talk about the 1% that's the true 1% that control everything and have all of the wealth And because they controlled that until recently in terms of education and a rising middle class they were able to control the world and keep us blind and and and unknowing And they even controlled things through our own churches to control us And we see that as it was done in the past First it was well you couldn't have the Bible in English if you were in England It had to be in Latin Or if you're in France it had to be in Latin And then you had the breaking away of the Protestant churches and starting to get some copies in English and whatever the motivations whatever you it was a good thing because now we're starting to have that access to it But now they switch over to you know at this sort of point in time and probably even before you're not taught to read the Bible that you now have in English Just read the verses we tell you to read and don't ask any difficult questions And until the last hundred years most people couldn't read anyways So it was only for the elite or the elim in the vernacular language was for the elite again So it's a system that they've dominated and that's why they have a war against the middle class today They want to reassert that that they introduced before the flood originally and then reintroduced again after the flood Do you have thoughts on Elon oh boy Yeah a lot of thoughts But um is he is he like perpetuating this race to the end times i think we are u a product of the fruit that we bear Um so and I understand this race for technology but AI has the same destination whether you're doing it for good or evil So it's the same agenda So it's the white hat black hat understanding in polytheism So it's like good magic and black magic It's like good giants and evil giants It's like good kings and evil kings good witches and evil witch It's a standard dogma and it's designed just as our politics are When you get the established parties versus populism which is why they don't like populism because they it's more difficult to control This is done to create a pulls aart positioning and cattle herd you into the open arms of where they want you to go to into their open arms of of destruction This when we talk about the war against the middle class AI comes to mind because it seems to be one of the shest paths to universal basic income and um job reduction So I'm just sometimes I wonder if these guys are aware that they're moving us or if they're just kind of playing a part One of the problems with technology is advancing is you can't control it You can't control necessarily who is going to develop it So now you get into a situation of choices and what is your belief system so is your belief system to say we don't want them to have this so we better develop it first even though we're going to end up at the same like arms race Yeah An arms race Or are you better off to go back to your core belief and saying you know probably going to get there somehow anyways and we're better off trying to make people aware of what's going on And so do I think there's some good people that would be saying "Hey we're trying to protect you." Sure I get that And you know we get throughout the Bible not necessarily what Jesus said on on the topic but through we get a lot of examples of people being raised up particularly in Israel otherwise you know evil would just take over right but we're now at an existential technology level where do we apply the same sort of standard as we did in the past to what's happening now i think we have to understand that this technology is going to be developed and whoever's got control of that is going to be evil anyways So is Elon a polytheist i don't know that Uh he's dressed up in ways that maybe I don't like and some costumes Um but he could be a white hat or he could be literally a good guy but um he could be just a white hat too So we have to be careful of those in power and judge them for what they do My jury is still out but I do not like the hide mind aspect I do not like the AI and his comments on the AI even though he has done some really good comments about you know this is like you know kind of like revealing the the demons type of thing is um it is uh also got another aspect that's concerning So he decided to create his own AI company to create good AI because the Google AI was evil AI His words not my words And that concerns me that language Now I don't dispute that Google was up to no good But I don't like that white hat black hat analogy It almost seems too obvious like he's playing it for to get permission slip to do whatever he wants Yeah but it but you've you've taught me this that like all of this is written It's going to happen Like sometimes I do struggle with knowing We were even talking about Trump earlier It's like do these people know that they're advancing a system that has been prophesied as having to happen for the rise of the Antichrist or do they not because it sometimes with prophecy you don't know Um it might not even be willing Well and it depends on the individual Is Trump completely informed on end time prophecy i don't know that Um he says he's a Christian but that doesn't mean he knows prophecy So but his terms aren't all that good at times either Um and I thinking that he's not against the world new world order He just wants a larger role for the US But that plays into advancing the new world order Um the golden age is a polytheist term for the days of Noah The golden age is the age of the first time of Atlantis which is prophesied to come back as the days of Noah cycle back Yeah And Atlantis had 10 kings that was the center of a universal religion It was also trying to spread and the center of technology for the antid-doluvian age And that this is the new Atlantis that the polytheists talk about bringing about in the end time which is akin to the 10 kings of Daniel and toes of Daniel 2 Daniel 7 also includes the horns Daniel 8 um has more information on that And Revelation 12,3 and 17 So we're going to have 10 empires in the end time running by 10 antichrist like beings where one horn rises amongst them between them after it comes to power to become antichrist So yeah it's concerning when he's talking about reintroducing that new golden age He may be hearkening back to the Gilded Age as a golden age but it it's the terminology that I find a bit disturbing The the more precise someone's terminology is the harder it is to say that they don't know But I think I don't know if he's crossed that territory yet cuz it's still like a bit um vague Yeah As of now But these 10 kings these 10 things isn't that already published research on like the globalist agenda sure They've divided the Club of Rome when it was created to get the new world order moving faster cuz they were unhappy with the pace It was created in the late60s and they divided the world into 10 groups of nations Exactly Very similar to what the UN uses So the Europeans have their model of how they would kind of like it to play out Now President Trump and I'm not saying he's an antichrist I'm not even saying he's going to be one of the 10 kings He's not necessarily against this grouping He just wants that bigger role Xi out of China is saying the same thing And Putin is saying the same thing They just don't want the bloodline vision out of Europe imposed on them They want larger roles which makes sense Which makes sense Nobody wants anything from Europe imposed on them Everything back comes out of Europe bro Oh no dude Just kidding You had to go there We're going to be in London in uh 2 months It's one of my favorite cities ever Um but he was telling it it's Gary's fault Gary was telling me before about the bloodlines and what you were I think it's the biggest cluster in Europe Europe The bloodlines are all in Europe Yeah they're all in Europe Really well not all of them There's like East What What were you telling me president the the Chinese president has an ancient bloodline on it Putin believes but most of them are clustered in Europe Yeah And uh so we need to understand that this this is in place today So when we look at um the best example to understand the bloodlines Europe and maybe as you start to extend that around the world let's look at World War I This was an interf family war So the king of England uh and the king of Spain and the Kaiser in Germany and uh the emperor of Austria and the Zsar in Moscow and all the Belgium These they're all cousins They all intermarried to keep those bloodlines as nobled and as pure as possible And it was an inter family squabble We should understand the world behind the geopolitics of the rivalries of the bloodlines And one of the ways that we don't get to the end times or inability to work together at times from bloodlines because there can only be one bloodline that's going to become antichrist So one bloodline in their belief system is going to rule the world They all want to get there but they want to be that bloodline which um is happening in America as well I mean it's not limited to Europe That's not what he was saying Um even I think Nathan Reynolds was talking about like all these families are competing to build the perfect prototype who could be a vessel for that antichrist Yeah Spirit It's happening over here It's happening in China no doubt Russia Europe I mean anywhere you want to go Yeah And I'm told they hold in Europe three antichrist ready to go at any one time One presumes from different bloodlines Um but they do want to advance that And why do they want to get there they want the rendevous with God They want the end time war because they believe they're going to win They have end time prophecy themselves Um not all of it's published for sure We get a glimpse at some of it through people like Alice Bailey who we talked about but the most famous would be Nostradamus who was Rosa Kruian Although opaque because of all the allegory that's written into it for only adepts to understand they have an end time scenario that they think that they win in that they channeled from some fallen angel or spirit or something Yeah The fallen angels know since the resurrection it's over like Jesus went and told them Yeah Let me just come back to that in a second because it's so important to sort of understand And that uh in the meantime since then the fallen angels continue to tell their offspring their descendants of their offspring that they can still win and they have to play this out and there's a place for them in the future time when they renew the earth So just as Mitra or Shiva destroy the earth as the destroyer god It's also a renewal of the earth god that it will renew out of the ashes And these bloodlines are like the phoenix coming out of the ashes in that sort of inner workings So they think they can win So they want this end time They just want to do it before the ordained time if they can So now what's going on in first Peter 3 that you're referencing to well Jesus was still in the grave and he goes into uh Tartarus we wouldn't understand as hell In this case it should be more specific to Hades Shale where the pit prison is located in a place There's two sections there One is a specific location in Hades and Shaol for the pit prison The lake of fire is something different uh hell has been conflated with those three or four terms that it's associated with should be translated a little bit better to understand some of the nuances So Jesus while he's still in the grave cuz his spirit's not going to sleep right he's the word of God He's the Yhovah of the Elohim He has he's there on a mission and he's just died for the sins of the world and through that is going to be the resurrection that's going to happen on the Sunday and our ability to be resurrected And if the angels had known about the resurrection as it's talked about in first Corinthians they wouldn't have had him crucified So they didn't know They thought they were winning the war by doing it So now he goes down to the pit prison to talk to the spirits who did these sins in the time of Noah And at this point I generally say and here's what I think he said He's basically telling them that your war is officially over We're going to play this out so all the names in the book of life can have that opportunity to choose God or not and leave their name or have it blotted out of the book of life And that uh at the end of that as the resolution to the angelic rebellion all the fallen angels are going to go to the pit not to the pit prison but to the lake of fire And Satan's going to go to the pit prison for a temporary stay again cuz he hasn't been to the pit prison yet But after a thousand years then he goes to the lake of fire after starting another rebellion at the end Now how do I get there that he's telling them this one is okay It makes sense that that might be what it what he's saying and I generally say it's my kind of speculation but there is more to it So in Colossians 2:15 and as you read through to about verse 18 to 20 you're going to see the angelic beings being talked about on on book ends here So it has angelic beings and he is making a spectacle of these beings in that passage Now let's enter in Ephesians 4:8 or 4:10 sorry 4:8 sorry I got it right And it has to do where Paul is talking about the captivity of the captives right it's very odd real term that's being used there And uh he is going to be parading out these captives is what is going on there So that is talking about first Peter 3 And that there's going to be a spectacle made of these beings This is an official denunciation and sentencing I think that's going on here Now Paul in Ephesians 4 is quoting directly out of Psalm 68 where you get all the detail of this and they're actually paraded out to Bashan and this denunciation is happening So it's important to understand what is going on there And it then starts to make some sense that while he was still walking on the earth as Jesus before the crucifixion he went to Mount Hermon in the Bishan region to the location of the pan temple and the gateway to Hades And he announced to the world and to the gods there at their holy mountain that I am going to build my church going forward and changes Peter's name from Saul to Peter Simon to Peter sorry um which means rock build it on this rock Jesus is the rock so it's more than one meaning it's not just one and it's at the rock of Sion right it's the mountain of sion on and that he's going to build his church and they don't even know how he's going to do it at this point but he has made clear warning what he's about to do And they go and still crucify him anyways because they don't know what he's going to do And so not all the angels are in the pit prison Only the ones that did the worst of the crimes are in the pit prison from before the flood and just after the flood So that hierarchy still in place which is now answers how Psalms um is talking about the bulls of Bashan that are mocking Jesus on the cross Okay I'm going to keep going but let's pause Make sure you don't have anything All I was going to say is I'm just on my producer hat We're going through the like the roots of Freemasonry the royals We're going through like end times technology how that all that interplay goes together Where where are you kind of going i'm just genuinely kind of curious No idea No idea No Okay So you're not going You're done with Freemasonry Are you bored no That was Are you bored i'm not bored I'm just trying to find a way to like tie this stuff together cuz I'm like man there's so many open loops still on the Freemasonry track that you just kind of like we went 10 minutes and just kept going So I'm trying to figure out where we're going All right Well I have more questions about what you're talking about Then we can go back to Freemasonry If you're actually interested in it then great Um well now when you put it this way okay you have like Freemasonry and you're like Jesus went to Shol and publicly humility ever I don't even care about Freemasonry anymore So we can go back to Freemasonry but they matter zero Um let's go back to Freemasonry for Jake Then I'm going to come I'm going to take you back to this moment What okay Don't forget Gary Okay So okay back to Freemasonry Um it's is is it the recruiting arm of this The lowest level So they're recruit Yeah good point Cuz we didn't come back to the initial question on that Um so they are still to join Freemasonry you have to be invited You can't just join it So they are always looking to bring genealogical descendants of lower genes and bloodlines back in And so they're still inviting people to come back in And the general sort of understanding is that you can worship any god as long as you worship a god Um and that this is going to be very good for business for social interaction for your career all sorts of good things Do charities So they allow you to worship like Yhovah or Yahweh you can worship any god you want They don't care really They don't care Okay Got it You know probably in North America they would prefer if it's a Christian god because it's easier to to hide in plain sight But that's the only qualification because they're going to convert whoever they are by first level adept over to worshiping the great architect of the universe Hail Satan whatever you want to call him And the first level of the adept is 32nd degree No that is third degree on the York right which is the old system and Scottish right is 33rd degree as an adept If you're 32nd and Scottish right you know nothing of importance So you still think it's still a good organization although you might be starting to say we're we're some studying and learning some pretty weird things here It's preparation But first level of adept is said to overturn every preconceived conclusion you ever had So these are mundane until they become adept They are just like us They deserve to be lied to And so but at a depth level that's where you start to swear those oaths to uh secrecy in ways that are now more mean are now meaningful and instituted not only on the secrets but your loyalty and you're saying there's I've heard a lot of things from different people like there's 200 levels there's 100 levels how many levels are there what depending on how you want to split it up and no And if you're outside the craft and if you are even at the low levels you may not know And I'm not going to profess to say that I know because I'm not there What we do know is that you have this multiplier of three kind of going on from 11 to 33 to get there and two special numbers So 3 * 11 3 is the number of first level adept in the old system So there's a relationship there in the two systems So you know if you have um you know how many times can you multiply 33 * 11 you could go that high or times three again to 99 So depending on how they want to split up those steps because every three every 11° is one of the degrees of the first three Right So that's how you're splitting it up Mhm So depending on your counting is how many that there are I can't confirm how many there are I've been told I know there's seven for sure I know second level is like a regional manager of the lodges You're going to be at least seventh level to be Rosacruian and then it starts to go higher I've been told 9 11 33 on the old system Um but it could even be more but only the pure bloods are going to be initiated at that that at that level Now as a pure blood you are initiated from childhood So you are an adept before you are an adult and that you can't take the adept title before between 25 and 30 which is not unusual because even in the Bible between 20 and 40 you become an adult It's kind of a kind of a standard within that And so you'll hear a 32nd degree used in a couple of different ways one is 32nd degree not an adept in the Scottish right 32nd degree and I was on a show one time um at the end of the show and I knew there was a lot up going on when I was going on it but it was a really good show um and they said at the end he says well what would you say if you were talking to a 32nd degree adept at this point in time and I said well you're either either um not an adept because you're 32nd degree of the 33rd degree or you're pure blood He says "Well how do you know that?" I said "Well I think you're confirming it and I've had it confirmed elsewhere as well that you can't take your So," I said "You're younger than 25 likely is my understanding and you would know more than me Um and that you can't claim your debt title yet." and he was absolutely astounded that that I knew this Um and as I said I did have it confirmed before that but he really confirmed it And then he actually after the show he says "We should do another show." But then he got absolutely obliterated by whoever he reports to and he just sent me messages and all sorts of awful things that I cannot repeat and was you know just and he he would not publish the show after that and he loved the show before Wow And uh wouldn't do the second show So we need to understand how that sort of works if they say they're 32nd degree distinguish the difference And and so this would be a term that's used for um uh a pure blood who is uh past adepthood before they're 18 They're way beyond third degree or 33 degree Way beyond pure blood meaning they were okay So not just born into Freemasonry but of a bloodline that signifies that they are of a the necessary blood purity Now if you look at something just to sort of make this sort of visually understandable you have a society that's at Oxford similar to what goes on in the US Oxford being like the Ivy League type of thing of of of England and a writing society called the Inkling Society that's sponsored by the Golden Dawn Rosacrruian Society and you have people like Lewis and Tokian there and many others but just to keep it simple and people will say well they couldn't be of secret societies because there's nothing published about them being part of secret societies but in England they don't publish though you wouldn't have it anyways But the but the tell is is that you could not be part of a Rosa Christian society which is way above Freemasonry unless you were a pure blood and you wouldn't be at Oxford in the 20s and 30s unless you're part of the nobility of royals I mean there may have been a couple breakthroughs but not many and so they were already adepts and easily able to be part of a Rosaian writing society They learned how to write not to be fed the information that they could create their narratives of their history their belief system and their genealogies So that's kind of how that works So one of the documents I get asked for all the time is show me the documents on on Lewis and also send me and Tokien and also send me their bloodlines I have six-part series on that One one for the Llewellyn bloodline of the Lewis and the other for the toque bloodline of Tokian that goes back to the Norse gods So um people want that Plus I'll show you their doctrines and the fruits of their works And if they ever um became Christian they never recanted their writings So I'll put all of that in into the information So understand that there's a level of knowledge and mysticism that's under play that works in behind the scenes that we can't really imagine So I'm not allowed to watch Lord of the Rings anymore or Narnia Well you can but understand what they're doing I mean they're great storytellers but make sure you educate your children on what they're watching and and and and if you want enjoy the story I'm not telling people not to do it but don't be brainwashed Yeah Don't fall for the incarnation of Alan in another world Don't think that fawns and seder gods should be part of children's writings Yeah we talked about that in the other episode of um what was it mithra who be incarnated back that Jesus doesn't do that which that is what Alan does Exactly He's like the Christ consciousness man and CS Lewis Dude why did he So did he write that to confuse people no that like screw tape letters is like awesome Oh I know He's a fabulous writer So is Tokiian Well Disney did the same thing with fairy tales and things And people say "Well he's Freemason." No he's higher He's part of the entertainment part It's got to be at least Rosaian Uh Walt too Yeah Interesting Just shooting all your favorite people in the in the head They are preparing us from Keep going They prepare us from childhood And the fairy tale concept goes back many years to accept things for when they're ready to reveal things that we would accept that more easily And they can tell us that they told us we just didn't understand Right they hide everything in plain sight Everything that they do reflects who they are and who they worship and their history because that's how they honor their gods We just have to understand how they speak and what they do So this fairy tale concept uh both Toki and Lewis were talking about is they kind of consider the Bible a fairy tale because they both said so Well a fairy tale is a very interesting narrative that's a fiction and has a ukatastrophe which is their term written into it where the hero doesn't have to face the horrible end It has a happily ever after ending which again is part of the fairy tale concept So when they say the the Bible is like a fairy tale they're saying Jesus didn't really die on the cross and was resurrected That's the fairy tale part to make it a happy ever after ending So now you have to be a mystic and adept to understand how the Bible is written because it's all allegorical and but that makes sense from their perspective because they have the interpretive approach not the literal approach Got it Okay back to Freemasonry So Jake is happy Thank you We're going to keep hitting this home Do they how do are there Freemasons who get out of it or a lot of lower level ones do until you become adept not so much afterwards I'm not saying it doesn't happen cuz it does just like some of the bloodlines can leave But if you're adept and or a bloodline on leave you could be in constant danger for the rest of your life And so it's not looked upon fondly Um but if you're a lower level one well they're just saying "Well you're still mundane and you're not worthy." Right they don't want you to leave but it's easier to leave Got it And when it comes to Freemasonry I feel like that often gets associated with witchcraft Like what is is that even accurate is there like what's the problem with being in Freemasonry if it's all good at first yeah Yeah Well which witchcraft the craft that masonry Freemasonry is called it's the same belief system and same religion Druidism is the polytheism that we understand the witches come from which is just either a priest or priestess of the druidic religion So it's like the magi it's like the brahinss it's the same just different terms for the same thing And so many Freemasons are witches Why because they're adepts The high-end witches are the high-end priests adepts in the religion and also uh an adept in in the same religion And this is the the the religion that's part of Gnosticism They look at druidism on equal with the with the druid priests with the ancient brahinss with the the priests of of Egypt with the sofess in Greece with the magi in in in Mesopotamia they look at that as all being the same religion Sonosticism is the religion that we get coming out of the middle ages that begins in the time of Jesus and just before few centuries before that is amalgamating religions back into the original religion Uh that later produces theosophy the god of wisdom Sophia the mother goddess ofnosticism who created the 12 archons and is the word for wisdom in Greek And so philosophy is the love of Sophia the love of the goddess the love of the knowledge Um as they work things through in our in our in our language narcissism produces theosophy which produces new age Okay And then there was something you said you were going to ask Do you want me to ask it with something are you going to say something one other thing that mixes in that that you see the process So the major religion in the time of Jesus in Rome is Mithraism or Miththerism from Mitra the great architect of the universe that is a branch of the Zoroastrian religion of the Indo-arans uh both in Persia and in the Indis Valley where Mitra comes from And so now you have that is also part of Gnosticism as that comes through Manny adopting Zoroastrinism into his belief system than as it comes downstream and inherited bynosticism I track all of this in book one in different parts so that you can put all the pieces together But it is a bringing together of the all of the old religions So they are fluent in Hinduism and because it's the same home religion and they'll use the same gods in references Got it Go ahead So to reference there was a question you asked off camerara earlier that I'll ask and then add some more to it Um I know something Taylor was going to ask was where are the Freemasons now what's their involvement in society and part of the reason I asked this question is last time you were in town you actually were telling me off camera some of the things that Masons do in the main center part of the city and how it's integrated into societies and I'm so curious on where they come from their involvement in that and why Like there's so much that I'm curious on but let's start there Well let's just sort of start first and I'll work back to the second question So Freemasons are still active today They obviously have had a decrease in recruiting people with more people learn about things and hanging on to people but they're still very active There's still a lot of them They're in charge of a specific agenda and branch organizations that branch into them So their their main focus is on the army and military everything to do with that That's why you see so much of freemasonry within the navy or the army and it has a long sort of history with that And they're also involved in politics right and so they're very much involved in supplying first level of entries in into politics So those are their main sort of focuses that they're focusing on And what's the trade what's the in the Navy and the political side what's the trade for them coming in mostly information like they mostly information Got it The intelligence agencies also politics kind of controls the flow of information Yeah they're they're controlling the low-level politics It doesn't it has connections to the global side of it Um but you have more the like the Illuminati with the Skull and Bones which is the stepping stone to the CFR and all the sort of globalist or or organizations that extend out of that But that's now at a higher level with the Illuminati wanting to also destroy Christianity But the Illuminati works within the center of Freemasonry So there's a close association there in terms of the geopolitics So that's why most of the Masons or most of the presidents have been Masons right freemasons if you take that back into history Yeah So and the Bohemian Grove gives the permission to who's going to become president because of the um worldwide imple implic implication and that's controlled by the Illuminati as a branch organization that goes into there So you're going to see Freemasonry working at a lot of lower level initiatory organizations where they have their people in It could be like the Elks Club or the Lions Club uh thing things like that of lower levels and they're always looking for those recruits right to bring them in as as part of what they do So they're they're quite active on that sort of aspect Now as the new world is being settled and understand that this is the Templar dream from which all the modern organizations um become an organization as a consequence of a central organization that was too large and powerful going down all at once So now they have a more of a decentralized approach So you're going to create banking organizations You're going to like with the Rothschilds you're going to have Illuminati You're going to have Freemasons you're going to have the Rosacerians and just sort of split it split it up So as the Templar dream was written down in their secret constitution is they wanted to do two things One is they wanted to create the new Babylon within the Roman church which the Jesuits took over but and now become on the cutting edge of new world exploration as well um probably can't get there today with all of this but um but the Templar dream is to explore the new world and to set up the new Atlantis or the platform for um world government through this island continent that they discover and they get there even before So Oak Island is traveled to by the Sinclair's even before any even before Columbus discovers u North America Uh and Columbus sails on the Santa Maria Um the uh if my memory serves me correctly on this the uh uh the flag of the Templars because he's receives his information on how to get to North America from the Templars who were already there And the Templars aren't just disappeared by that time They they have other organizations that will continue in Portugal and in Spain just under a different just under a different name So anyways this is retaken up with the exploration this dream to um colonize North America and South America and all to get to this great end time where this universal religion and and and one messiah running things So as the migrations happen you have not the first son of royals and and uh highlevel bloodlines migrate or immigrate across on these migrations but say third siblings or second or number of them and they are leading the setting up of new towns They're there there to set up their legal claim to the new continent as they go And for every town that they go to they set up a town square Everybody knows that term Well in the old town square and you'll see this written not written on but seen in a masonic temple a window is put into four quadrants Now that can mean four different things many different things But in this case you have the same thing being set up in a town square You can basically do two axises And on the north and south end they will put up a legal building It could be a courthouse It could be a police station could be a fire station could be anything that represents a legal for the north south axis And then on the east west axis they are going to set up a Catholic church and a Protestant church is the general mo that they control and within that make their claim for the legal rights of that town because everything's done through legalism and the legalism that they impose on the world and so they want to be able to ex exert that on every government and new town and township and reassign it to within the hierarchy as as they uh branch out And so I didn't believe it when I first heard it So I checked out my own hometown Boom Oh my goodness Yeah So in where I grew up I won't say where I grew up but uh there was a firehouse right on the river on the north There's a courthouse on the south on top of the hill There's a Roman Catholic church on the west and a St Paul's um Protestant church on the east And then I checked out some more towns and where I first came across it was I was down doing a show and a weekend show uh and they had their members there and they took us out on a tour to a site of a town of witches and an old town in Florida and they said we're going to go there and we're going to do some certain things and it was really kind of spooky and stuff But uh then we went and we looked at the mapping out included where there was either I I think it was the um an oak tree that was cut down there Um that it was close to a water site where they would do uh use that as an altar for their for their sacrifices So look for a water source as well with the with the town square And they would do they would build tunnels underneath to do all sorts of secret meetings and things like that So I like to have control of the town center And the Masonic Hall is always for the most part in the town square Yeah An interesting study You should do this is go research the plat of major cities The plat Boston plat Yeah It's crazy It's crazy Like the history of Yeah of of Plat is just like how a city is organized and kind of run And so to see them develop why they're developed that way it's awesome And some of it means nothing until you learn other things and you're like "Oh that was all on the plat." Like when the city was developed they developed it a certain way So Jake are you good with Freemasonry bro good as in like do I want to join no Like I can't tell if you're asking for the audience or like I was I just those are the questions I had around it that I really wanted answered If you're Yeah If you're a Freemason want to get out emo Gary Um or what do you do well let's make clear I never came out of free Freemasonry I never went in Even though you are often frequently accused of being in it because your hands your hand signals everything Let's be clear on that So this right here like Taylor's a freemason No I'm not It's difficult to get out once you've sworn those oaths There are people um that can help I'll leave it at that Yeah And let let us also note that in the Bible we get a story that's tells us a little bit about this Um and so with Moses so when Moses dies um just before they cross the Jordan River in the book of uh Jude we have Satan showing up to claim his body Mhm That's because he is initiated at Helopoulos He isn't adept before he becomes adult He does swear all of these oaths but he's there for God's purpose right he's and he's going to be able to talk their language when he comes back and he fully converts and he can trump that so to speak um if he wants to and of course he does So when he dies Satan shows up with his legal claim But God sends Michael and says "Uh uh uh uh He was here for our holy purposes." I have never made that connection before Me neither It's amazing though Yeah Otherwise why would Satan think he could claim him that's amazing actually Okay Boom We're done with Freemasonry Nobody cares anymore Moving on You don't care anymore Let's talk about Jesus and let's talk about Jesus for a second So this is one of the coolest stories I've ever heard you tell Jesus while he's in the grave his spirit doesn't go to sleep He goes to Shiel basically pronounc his judgment They're a bunch of liars So all they do is lie They lie to their offspring Their offspring lie to the societies and so they genuinely believe that they can win in the end times That's the story so far Correct Correct Question Um when it comes to end times there's a lot of timelines and chronology that I don't understand cuz I haven't studied it But you said a couple things For instance uh uh hell l goes to the pit for a thousand years then comes back This is post-tribulation correct like post pre-trip Can we just unpack that for a second i have no idea So there's a lot of different approaches on esquetology and all of them disagree All of them say they base it on the Bible and to a certain degree they do Um but they all can't be right So when you hear the word preerttrib all that means is when they say that is is that Jesus coming for rapture in his first days of his visitation as Hosea 9:7 talks about in the days of the son of man Luke 17:22 and 26 says it twice the days of the son of man that people are going to be longing for in the end time The first day he comes back is for rapture after the first fruits resurrection as first Corinthians 15 20- 24 talks about rapture part for who he comes for is in 1 Corinthians 50 15- 54 So pre-trip means before the start of the last seven years So the last 7 years isn't necessarily the tribulation as people call it but you get 7 years from Daniel 9:27 which is the last week of years the last seven years that's reserved for the end is in Daniel 26 Hebrew word k meaning the last days the end time which gives you the context And you get these last seven years when all vision prophecy king of righteousness is introduced All things of those are completed in those last seven years And in the middle of those last seven years is the abomination and the crowning of um antichrist So pre-trib in that view has Jesus coming before the start of the last seven years so that Christians don't face tribulation If you're midtrib that means somewhere after the abomination but before Armageddon because there's different views as to the timing in there when Jesus comes back for rapture If you're postri that means Jesus comes back after the millennia starts at some point in time The millennia being when Satan is in the pit Yeah when when after Satan is sent to the pit prison for a thousand years Jesus reigns for a thousand years and then Satan is released So those are kind of the general sort of terms when it comes to rapture Now there are other different approaches like predism and other different ones that have interesting those are the ones that are like saying we're already in the end times or we're already it's already happened Yeah or we're in the little season and there's different it has there's there must be 15 different versions of predtoism so it's hard to keep up with it all and so people always ask me is is what form of esquetology do you uh follow and I'm going well really none of those I'm a contrarian what would you because what they do what what you want to be careful of is that you are not reimagining what scripture says You don't want to bend it like a pretzel to arrive at a preconceived conclusion And if you can't deal with inconvenient passages that's a red flag So everything sort of has to fit And those approaches they break all of the rules Yeah That I like to live by Um those are just two of them but it there can't be any conflicts So if you go to the outside approaches then it's very hard to learn and you have to accept at face value what they're saying So if I'm in a group that's pre-trip for example and I give them some challenging passages they can't answer the passages But they can say horrific things and I have no understanding and that they have been told by the word of God that this is the way it's going to be And I say "Where's the scripture?" and they can't show me So you you want to be you want to be careful with prophecy but we need to understand it And it ought not to be complicated And it and it really isn't And I don't believe I'm a prophet I don't believe I'm a disciple I don't believe I'm an apostle I am a researcher So I like things to kind of make sense And what makes sense to me is is that I should be able to listen to what the redeemer tells me at face value So why would I try and redefine what Jesus said by what a prophet says mhm You define what the prophet says who is the supplier as the word of God maybe perhaps through the Holy Spirit but he's still the word of God You would define what the prophet is saying by what Jesus said But everything around Jesus not vice versa Correct And of course some people say that they do but then they say well but you can't get a chronology from what Jesus talks about in Matthew 24 Mark 13 Luke 17 and 21 And I'm going well why would you say that well because they have to say that because it doesn't fit their chronology or their pattern or their preconceived conclusion So how do we know it's topical or chronological well Jesus told us That's probably the simplest way to state it And he says "And then this happens and then this happens and then this happens." So what's the Greek word that's just verify that Well it is the when it's exactly it's no mistransation It's the win It's a sequence of events And that's the Greek word toota So you can look it up You can take it back This is in a chronological order What's the other verification is he puts the abomination in the middle of his oration in Matthew 24 and then tells us to inquire about the book of Daniel So what do you think we should do inquire about the book of Daniel Yeah And put all of that around what Jesus said Now there's a step I would do before that before you go to Daniel is take the accounting of Matthew 24 as your template and then put all the additional details that Mark would have and what Luke has and put that around what Jesus said in the Matthew template So what happens when you do things like that is people can't tell you that there's no rapture in what Jesus said there because Mark 13:27 has a little bit more information on there than Mark 24:30-31 And it's not just the uh the sign coming and gathering the elect from the earth But in Mark it's gathering the elect from the earth to the uttermost parts of heaven And then people might say well the elect is not the church Well except that the elect is used 23 times in the New Testament in Greek ecleto uh and it's defined as those saved through Christ It's described as people who believe in Jesus It's described as as Christians in the definition and it's used that way consistently throughout the New Testament So you can't just say the elect is just Israel in a New Testament prophecy for the church And they say "Well it wasn't for the church." Well really well he's talking to the disciples who are going to build the church He's alpha omega He's telling you words you need to know till he comes back again Of course it's going to be for the church as well And I'm not saying that the elect doesn't come together at the supper of the lamb either I'm just saying let's not reimagine what he said It's pretty pretty straightforward So put all the additional details on So and it really helps out because there's some juicy important extra details and then you have a template Then go to Daniel like Jesus uh described And then you're going to need Daniel 9 You're going to need Daniel 11 and 12 for sure to begin with because you're going to get those seven years That's going to begin with the soros or just after the soros and into the time of the afflicted and the offended which is very opaque language Uh afflicted is Greek philipses which is also translated as tribulation Scandalizo Scandalidzo is apostasy a falling away and enticed into sin Lines up with falling away and apostasia in two Thessalonians 2 with the falling away before the before the gathering and before Antichrist is revealed And so if we look at those uh timing of the last seven years at that point in time now we have the exact midpoint with the abomination and Jesus's sign and the rapture is basically saying when you look at the chronology it's second half sometime We don't get a date there but we have a template And you have something to look forward to with the first three and a half years that we're going to need to see this covenant We're going to need also in parallel sacrifices beginning on an overspreading or an extension or a wing of the temple for the Jewish people as part of this covenant Right then he breaks that and then sets himself up Daniel 11 gives us the sequence of events starting on 11 let's say verse 20 through verse 30 up to the abomination on his rise to power that Daniel 2 and 7 are talking about and 8 Right so now we have the exact events for the first three and a half and then the events for the last three and a half and in the end cats again that's going to be used there and a whole bunch of other terms I won't go into but just as one example uh when you get to the end time in terms of the Armageddon that's that's the end time in the last 3 and 1/2 years as the completion of you get an understanding that this will have relevance for other events talked about in other passages in the Old Testament and the New Testament So you've you've put those events in Now we can go to Revelation You might even want to go and put other New Testament prophecies on first and match those up But it might be a little bit more difficult at this point And I would recommend Revelation at this point because we want to remember two things One is do not change anything in Revelation right we're told not to do that Don't add don't take away Yeah Exactly So we want to be careful That's why I don't start there because I want to put it on Jesus's template So the second thing is is the revelation that John has is very interesting because it comes from Jesus who is the spirit of prophecy Revelation 20 or 19 I'm sorry And it's the testimony of Jesus Christ given to the angel to show John Okay it has to fit what he said before It just has to So now you all you have to do with Revelation is say Revelation 1-5 is a very interesting part of the vision and I call it a dual prophecy I won't get into that in too much detail but it has information from prehistory time of the prophet in this case John and end time implications And this has all of it throughout Revelation So you have if you separate that out and then look at the churches and understand that John wasn't raptured because he was taken in spirit Revelation 4:1 there's no rapture There's no new body There's no immortality He has to return He has to deliver the letters to the churches Then he dies This is there's no rapture here People will say it's there There's nothing that refers to it they just have to make that change to make their timetable work But it doesn't say that You can't even make the connection there without reimagining what it what it says So now if you look at Revelation 6 with the seal openings as to being the start of the last seven years maybe just before or just after it starts to make some sense But there are also some unfulfilled prophecies that didn't get fulfilled in the time of John or shortly after in the age of the churches And so those ones will be fulfilled in the end time They each have at least one One of them is 10 days of tribulation in gen in Revelation 2:10 not seven years of tribulation That's the word Philipses again and the other one is 3:10 that we're going to be saved from the hour of trial Those were not fulfilled in the time of the seven churches So they're as part of the dual prophecy sort of operation little process at the MO um is going to be fulfilled in the end time So we have two promises to be saved from the wrath and be saved from the hour of trial So now if you look at Revelation 6 sort of going forward start that at the start of the last seven years Okay and then as you're looking at Revelation understand that you're going to see some throne scenes right throne scenes pre um not presuppose but project what's about to happen on earth next Okay so it shows you what's going on in heaven And they're at a start of a sequence of events that are going to come through their use of the word kahi which is the term that's used in revelation for the then as you take that back to the Greek And so they come in rapid sort of events and this happens and this happens and this happens in chronology So take Revelation 6 through Revelation 14:9 uh with the preaching of the gospel by the angel which is the last of the preaching of the gospel that Jesus is talking about just before the abomination Line that up with the first three and a half years okay and things will start to make some sense And you get a summary in Revelation 14 of the major events after the preaching of the gospel in sequential order for how they're going to happen after the start of the last uh seven years after the abomination What are those well Babylon is destroyed first That's rather interesting because it's destroyed in an hour Where do we get that term the hour of trial What's that Greek word horror Keep that in mind So now you have uh this hour that Babylon is going to be destroyed followed immediately by the implementation of the mark Okay that's the trial because it happens immediately after And we're also told in Revelation 18 where you get the destruction of Babylon to come out of Babylon the last warning just as you have the angel preaching the last of the gospel I won't go through all the people that do it between 144,000 and the two witnesses and the saints before that but understand that that's what's going on here And then you have the uh the Armageddon event that happens after that Okay it's the major events of the last uh 3 and 1/2 years And then we get the details uh and the appropriate uh throne settings as well that predate the the list of events that are going to happen in 15 16 17 18 and 19 Armageddon is revelation 19 Revelation 20 starts the millennium So now you can put that those set of events right around what Jesus is saying And what else is he saying at the end of Matthew uh at the beginning of Matthew just before the abomination is that not only is the last of the gospel to be preached before the abomination but also prepare for the end right as we talked about the end being the last seven years but also the uh the end as it's talked about that is going to come along once the church is taken out that is no longer tribulation which will now move into wrath People confuse and conflate wrath and tribulation Tribulation is it can be translated as affliction as it is in in Matthew 24 24:9 and we see that in Matthew 24:21 with tribulation the great tribulation not seen since creation or the beginning The parallel passage in Mark which is why you want to put this additional detail on doesn't it has the exact almost same wording except that it doesn't say tribulation It says affliction just as you have afflicted in Matthew 24:7 for a tribulation This is the great tribulation Different between the difference is the great tribulation of the saints the great tribulation of the world the and the tribulation that's shown in Revelation 2:10 is for 10 years So look for the tribulation of the saints to start three years before the last seven years but extend through the last 3 and 1/2 years as the great tribulation and that we are told in the New Testament that we will go through tribulation but the wrath is reserved for the ungodly So we c we need to understand the difference between the two and then how all of the passages start to line up into place So when you go into 1 Corinthians 15:20 for example now you have the resurrection sequence You have to know the resurrection sequence You want to know what's going on It's Christ the first fruits and then after when he comes those who died in him as you move into 1550 to 54 and those still alive The difference is is the first fruits are martyed So when we look at the 24 elders that are showing up those are probably elders as as martyrs The 144,000 will be martyed as first fruits and they're called first fruits just before the angel preaches and they're seen back in heaven That's the end of their commission The two witnesses preach for three and a half years and are killed and are resurrected and they're killed in that hour Hora again at the mid you know towards the midpoint So there's this hour that the 10 kings will hand over their power to Antichrist in Revelation 17 to destroy Babylon It's the same hour What does Jesus say in all of the gospels when he's going to come back there's an hour It's unknown but there is an hour You don't know the exact hour or day but you know that you know the events that are going to be centered around it So things just sort of line up if if if you allow it So you can easily put all of those New Testament prophecies Revelation rapture prophecies any other prophecy and any Old Testament prophecy now around it But you cannot confuse prophecies for the church with the prophecies for Israel and Judah If in the Old Testament it is addressed to Judah that's for the southern kingdom If it's addressed for Israel that's the northern kingdom If it's addressed to a specific tribe that's for the tribe They're going to have their resurrection in the last 3 and 1/2 years yet But after Jesus comes you have those who aren't raptured for the Christians and they're going to be beheaded People say they're not resurrected till Revelation 24 20.4 It certainly mentions them but when do we get a reference for the resurrection revelation 15 they're shown in heaven right and they're shown in heaven before the bull wrath are poured out into the year of the Lord's wrath They are not even there for the year of the Lord's wrath One of the promises two promises that we were promised in the trial that we're we're going to be saved from that hour for the first part of the rapture and resurrections and the first fruits before that So now when we look at Revelation 6 at the beginning of the last seven years you see all of these saints that have been martyed for the testimony of Jesus since Jesus came These are first fruits and they're told to wait a little season for those to come out of the tribulation of the saints and they'll die for that testimony as well They're all part of the first fruits First fruits 24 elders Revelation 6 Revelation 7 U two witnesses 144,000 Those are the first fruits After that Jesus comes Got it Everything just sort of starts to fit And so it sounds like not uh not everyone's going to be raptured You know obviously there's people who are weak in the faith but what happens if you understand the falling away in 2 Thessalonians 2 and the scandalo which means the same thing Mhm In the time of this tribulation that that both Mark and Luke say we're going to be killed in um we're going to provide that testimony for Jesus It has to be the Revelation 7 saints like it just sort of has to be and it fits on the timetable Um and so if if if you look at um how that sort of all sort of fits into the the chronology it just it just sort of flows So there's going to be there's going to be tribulation and it's not going to be easy Nobody should want to go through this This is going to be very very difficult But you won't have to ever worry about another conflict again And when I first started to do this I used to live in fear that I would find a passage I couldn't make work And then when you start to get into the Old Testament passages it can be a a real challenge But if you understand the year of the Lord's favor is a separate year from the year of the Lord's wrath And you can now fit the bull rass forward as the year of the Lord's wrath It starts to make some sense So what's going on with the year of the Lord's favor that's in the time of Jacob's trouble And then also looking at Daniel 12 you have this resurrection of people that Daniel is addressing his people to Well you have and this is by the way all part of the first resurrection The first resurrection is a sequence of events It's all part of the first resurrection of those who are Jesus It just happens in different stages So the time of Jacob's trouble is the time of the second exodus that Jacob is saved from Trouble is the Hebrew word sarah It means exactly the same thing as tribulation or Philipses does It is the source word and the defining word for Philipses That's is the cognate word in Greek for Sarah So it's the time of Jacob's persecution It's the time of their trouble And it's in the last three and a half years in the great tribulation And it is after the rapture event And when you go now to Daniel 12 it has this time of trouble That's the Hebrew word surah This is for Daniel's people A time of resurrection some uh resurrected to eternal life and some to the second death I infer the second death but to death Um and this is for his people It's in the same period but it's not People will say "Well that's a Christian one because how could it be anything else at that point in time right?" Well but that's midrip That's after the abomination again But it's it's sometime afterwards So the time of Jacob's trouble is the time of second exodus We get this also in the book of Isaiah and the book of Luke as the year of the Lord's favor when Jesus is going to lead the second exodus after his sign comes for rapture Israel who is awakened as the lost tribes and Judah who is the one that is still as we understand them visible today and have accepted Antichrist as their Messiah and began with that the sacrifices on a wing of a temple They realized with the sign and the abomination that they've made a great mistake So they're going to convert back to Jesus as their Messiah They're now time They're now ready for this year of reconciliation followed by the year of recompense which is again a vengeance for Israel and the saints uh for the for the wrath of God that comes for those who are ungodly So now you have sometime with in the last three and a half years you have Jesus coming first for rapture and and those who died in the resurrection you have the resurrection of the saints before the wrath as well uh who are beheaded you have before the year of the Lord's wrath the resurrection of Israel and the reconciliation all in time for the bride as both being the bride back to the one covenant in time for the supper of the lamb and Armageddon When you say resurrection are these physical resurrections like people literally coming back well yeah So Ezekiel 37 is the passage you go to for the parallel passage here and that's the dry bones one that everybody says "What the heck is this?" Some people say zombies to you you name it Well this is the resurrection of Israel This is the time as you get further into the teens in that passage the time of second exodus where Jesus is as he's talked about in Micah 5 and Micah 2 he's the breaker who's going to break Israel out of prisons who have awakened in prisons all around the world who have converted because of the 144,000 um who are waiting to to have be broken out for second exodus And this is the time of the seven shepherds And this is the time the Assyrian is uh dealt with on the mountains And so he comes for not only the resurrection and judgment of Israel but their second exodus And Judah who escapes Jerusalem after the abomination as the three gospels talk about is also talked about in Revelation 12 at the midpoint where they're going to be protected in the wilderness for 3 and 1/2 years at the midpoint And this is where the Exodus will come from all around the world to meet them in the wilderness And then as Ezekiel 37 talks about one staff they're going to be joined So everything is in place in terms of that resurrection So yes that is a physical resurrection into a new body And that's the descriptions you get with the dry bones coming back together Got it To preach the gospel essentially Do you get all that i mean it's going to take three years to process but yeah You just make us a graph of timelines I do happen to have this recorded so I'll get to watch it back at.5 Sounds like basically a lot of us are going to die and then it'll be really good right basically well we know how it ends It's more complicated than that And you know the difference is for the most of the views is that is how much tribulation do we go through if anything we know there's a rapture Yeah it's really the timing So we shouldn't make that a faith issue That's um shouldn't raise it to that level I think it might be a tragedy if we get it wrong and it comes later than what we think as in preerttrib that we lose all of our credibility when the world needs us the most Wow Um so that's something to to to to keep in mind as well But yeah um but you know there's these other ones where you know they talk about um the little season that we're in that right now That's very poor use of scripture And they say we're in the period where Satan is been released And this could be a hundred years it could be 200 years could be a thousand years It's different I don't you've heard this Tartarian What do you mean released released from the pit prison which he is at the end of the millennium but he hasn't even got in yet Well they say he has And we're at the end of that millennium We just don't know it we're in this little season which doesn't make a whole lot of sense because they also say Jesus has gone back to heaven because they have to change the scripture We don't get scripture for that And in fact in a short period of time he gathers an army and he goes to war against Jesus in Jerusalem So it doesn't make a whole lot of sense But how they do that is they say little season can be taken back to Greek and it could mean just a period of time an unknown period of time Season can absolutely but not little It is micros Kronos And we get one other example of micros Kronos and that's in revelation 6 Microchronos little season that those are told in revelation 6 to wait a little season longer so that those who are to die for the testimony of Jesus like they will are going to come out of the great tribulation of the saints versus the tribulation of the world And so Micros Kronos we get one time frame right so we shouldn't really expand it more than what it says and and a parallel application But the Bible is more judicious to then to leave that open for um speculation So in Matthew and Acts and other places you're going to get long season when it's a longer season Aonos Kronos So it specifies when it's a longer period and a shorter period So you have to stretch it out of its proportions and application to make it fit Yes Yeah You said you don't want to live through it No Do you think you will probably We're that close We're certainly in the fig tree generation and I think we're in the age of the sorrows but the sorrows get stronger throughout that generation and we don't know what a generation is defined by definitely and we don't know what the timetable definitely is for the start I can make some deductions First thing is as we're told the generation can be 40 years as a 40 years in in the wilderness in the time of Exodus 70 years in the book of Psalms 120 years in Genesis 6:3 So that's a fairly wide time frame And then the next question is is what would be the starting point yeah When did it start and why does Jesus use the fig tree as his analogy for the fig tree generation well the fig tree is an allegory prophetic allegory that's used for the southern kingdom Judah The vine is used for the northern kingdom and we see that used in the old testament starts in the book of judges Um and uh but it goes throughout the old testament Jeremiah Isaiah number of books u so without getting too detailed on it um it's the allegory So the second thing that comes to mind is that Jesus just before he's going to go into the temple and cause mayhem there to the Pharisees and then cause real concern with the disciples and before he gives the oratory because of the concerns the disciples has What he does he goes to a fig tree get some fruit Oh this is before he curses it Yeah It has no fruit Yeah So he curses it Why does he do this he's telling the disciples who are the southern kingdom part of the southern kingdom Jewish people they know the allegory They know the southern kingdom no longer is going to bear their fruit and they're going to do the ultimate violation of denying their Christ their Messiah in not too long of a time And so then he goes in to the temple and then he gives the prophecy about the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem So the disciples are getting concerned So they ask can you give us more detail on this what will be the signs of the end time and your coming and that's when he provides it for him And then he ends it with um he ends it with uh the fig tree generation followed by the days of Noah allegory and that um the days of Noah We've probably talked about in previous shows how it's going to be like that right and and why we need to learn about it But the fig tree generation he says heaven and earth will pass away but my words will never pass away So all of these events that he lists are going to happen in one generation right and so that's when we need to understand the other allegory which is the sorrows which has the same catastrophes of pestilence pandemic earthquakes and wars and rumors of wars that happens in the seal judgments of 25% destruction of the trumpets at 33% and the wrath bowls that would be 100% unless Jesus steps in to prevent the world from being destroyed by fire all flesh would be killed He stops that just before that's going to happen So the sorrows is the other overarching of the three that says that these catastrophes will get stronger and probably start working together as we go through this generation But we're a ways away yet because we don't have the world government yet and we don't have the universal religion yet We're probably I feel like we're closer to the universal world religion than we are the world government We'll start to know that that's getting closer when the false prophets come out The false prophets will bring about through their prophecies um Babylon And we see that being set up a lot right now whether it's in a polytheist religion or a monotheist religion with apparitions where people are being initiated and they're going to come out at certain dates with prophecies of doom Now I look at the seal judgments and the trumpet judgments as things that we do to ourselves versus the wrath bowls which is for the ungodly and punishment Those aren't judgments This is what we do to ourselves And so these are contrived catastrophes as the world that as the people who run this world are trying to bring about the end time It's going to increase as we go and is going to be required to get to world government and universal religion But you're going to have to have the religion first and it's going to control the 10 kings It rides the beast of empires reigns over them with the reigns and the 10 kings will hand their power over to Antichrist to destroy Babylon because they're jealous of Babylon So once we understand the allegorories and you know that's all defined within the Bible um we start to understand how things start to come together So to have Babylon come you have to have prophecies of doom that they can control to have the world convert their language in some of these false prophets convert to the one true religion or be destroyed from the face of the earth Do you think Babylon has any connotation or uh allegorical similarities to a nation currently on earth right now not to a nation Um but we know it's said to be a city nine times in the book of Revelation So we know that So it's going to be at a city And then the matter is is what city and we know it's going to be a universal religion because it's described as a mystery religion in Revelation 17 and an initiatory religion as you understand uh mysterion the Greek word that's used there and sits on many waters So it's a universal religion of the world We know it's going to be a geopolitical organization because it controls the 10 kings and they grow jealous of that and it's the glue that brings that whole network together And we know it is an economic organization that controls all trade right so it's all of those aspects So it's the beast religion and it's all of these other enterprises So it's going to sit on seven hills in a city but it's a it's more the world right so the seven hills you could say should be ancient hills It's an ancient city Uh you could look at Constantinople or you could look at Rome I think Rome better fits Rome was understood as the um seat of idolatry in John's time their code word Uh just as we see Peter writing a letter that he's in Babylon code for Rome because if you said Rome and you said something bad about Rome you'd suffer death Um it's understood as an allegory for Rome And so when you get to the definition of Babylon in the New Testament it has all the other meanings but also an allegory for Rome So that sort of lines up the seven hills or the seven hills of Romulus and Reheis right um and this is where the sibling prophecies were also located on Palatine Hill Vaticanis is a branch hill that was part of the sibling prophecies So now you start to see polytheism sort of I'm mixing this in as as a connection And it seems to fit that this is going to be maybe start in the Roman church but it's going to be more of a polytheist religion and it's probably going to move its home from Vaticanis Hill to inside uh where the old city of the seven hills was located I have a lot of thoughts but I'm not intelligent enough to share them So next time you're here I'm going to be studied I think the big point on on on that I would like to get across to people on prophecy is read for yourself and if if you're if you're struggling with conflicts you need to reexamine the approach cuz you should be able to make everything sort of fit So and it does if you use Jesus's chronology everything fits And if you understand him as the Yhovah of the Elohim in the Old Testament where it says Lord or Lord God that's where he's involved So now all of those end time prophecies where those terms are utilized you know when he's coming back what period and it'll be great Even though it's scary at first you might die but it'll be better after It it we have to go through this Yeah we have to go through this to get to where um God wants us to be and where all who have chosen him and all who are loyal will be moving on into eternity I I don't you'll know where this is but in in Revelation it might be um when it's talking about the saints it says they didn't love their life so much that they were uh afraid of death Yeah And so I think we've been I've just started talking about this where I'm just like people have to get over the fear of death in all connotations because if you know what is really going to happen you won't be fearful in the short term No And you don't have to like it Yeah You don't have to like the process But God gave us a gift of life to choose And everybody has free choice We're playing things out through free choice But God as alpha omega Jesus is alpha omega is greater than free choice Yeah I got what I needed from that Yeah I wasn't there's nothing to add to what Gary said just something that I'm I think of as I'm listening to this cuz I know one of the things I see a lot amongst people who are even just people who uh not only Christians but people who love to study esquetology is like sometimes that's all they do like that's all they do and then they just they end up getting into the the either the poverty mindset of like oh man if it's going to end then let's not do anything now and I know that's not what we're thinking at the moment but um there's something that Mike that really re Mike Signarelli um he said live build as if Jesus is never coming back and evangelize like he's coming back today and that's always just kind of sat with me in terms of this view and and brings a lot of peace to situation of like yes this is going to get crazy and there's still a lot that we have to do now y uh understand we can't control things we can only control what we do Right And that's what what we can do is we can prepare and always watch Mhm Always watch Um and that's what Jesus instructs us to do So I know it sounds odd that you could just take the redeemer's word for what he said That's the way the wisdom of the world today U but I think it it is that simple And when you get it down to that simplicity you get out of out of the complexity of all of these different esquetological approaches that have to reinvent what Jesus said and have to leave out inconvenient passages Just let it flow It'll flow Just all the pieces will fit together And it should be that way I mean that it's the meat that's to inherit the earth Mhm It should be addressed to us not the elite Yep Agreed 100% Cool You good i'm great You have any questions timeline predictions 20 years 30 years I refrain from timeline predictions although you could uh speculate that things are heating up right now But if it is the fig tree generation and you wanted a start point you might look at Jerusalem being that start point and the taking of it in 1967 versus independence because Jerusalem is like the epicenter of end time prophecy and in the southern kingdom is in possession of it in the end time So that would make sense to me and if that is then it could be 70 years within the 2030s but things would have to happen very quickly They are speeding up They are speeding up though like pretty drastically So okay cool Thank you for coming You're quite welcome You're one of my favorite people You blow my mind every time you talk So send me that book tomorrow and I'll proof the third ver the third book for you Like he's not going to do it I don't have the third book done yet so I can't send it It's in your mind You have it in your mind I do All right Thank you guys for watching If you have any questions specifically around this stuff um we'll probably have him in town again here soon Uh let us know We'll keep track of them and put them in the comments I will forward them to Dr Gary Wonderful Let's go Cool Love you guys