it's becoming exceptionally difficult to predict what's happening next I mean the speed of change has been off the charts I did a talk uh last week to 200 CFOs of public companies and every one of them is now forced to consider Bitcoin as a treasury component that will send it to a million dollars of Bitcoin Claude 3 hit an IQ of 101 we just saw gp1 hit an IQ of 120 I think we're going to see grock 3 when it finishes its training and goes live maybe hitting an IQ of 140 I think we're just going to keep hitting moving the gold P we'll hit AGI andbody go okay we had o nobody will even notice we are living during a period of hyper exponential growth and it's only accelerating and it's going to become incredible everybody Welcome to moonshots and our special end ofe episode on WTF just happened in Tech in next 30 minutes we're going to try and give you our best pred itions for 2025 across the whole Tech sphere industry I'm here with selem Ismael also this segment is sponsored by three 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made by humans or machines no no no very much humans and uh uh it's you know in Norway when you watch families they all ski together wearing family kind of signature things top to bottom with the long tassels and they all um uh ski down the with Dad having a picnic basket on his arm it's kind of incredible to watch is a cultural phenomena you know this this red cord here is my Christmas celebration so it's about as far as I'm as I'm going uh listen this is a this is a conversation we're going to look at uh both end of year and into 2025 we'll give you our predictions we'll talk about uh where things are accelerating you know one of the things that so true is it's becoming exceptionally difficult to predict What's happen happening next I mean the speed of change has been off the charts and I can think of no better place to begin uh this conversation with holy Bitcoin is now today at $107,000 we bloke you broke through 100K uh you know I hope your wife is happy with you when you mortgage your home and bought Bitcoin because it turned out to be a good deal yeah not enough of the mortgage went into Bitcoin but uh but you know it's bit Michael sailor said you get Bitcoin at the price you deserve and you always never can have enough and everybody always regrets there's no number there's any number of people we both know Peter that had Bitcoin on their hard drives they mined 500 of them in the early days and lost it Etc and so it's just the reality of it but it's incredible to watch it and I think the comment that we had with uh uh the other week was was the most thing as time goes by Bitcoin just expands My overall Investment Portfolio naturally and it's great yeah I had dinner with Mike in Miami um in his beautiful yacht which he's parked in front of his beautiful you know mansion and we were talking about this and we're going to be doing a podcast in early January about how to get companies onto the Bitcoin standard um and and he is on the Bitcoin standard and it's a formula that he thinks can be utilized by other companies both private and public and I was saying okay for an individual what do you do like what do you do you know I understand what you're doing with with micro strategies and you said mortgage your home sell all your nonproductive assets put into Bitcoin I mean he is the Bitcoin maximalist and I have to say at this point Bitcoin is my largest holding and every time I have any kind of exits I'm sweeping it into Bitcoin uh and not looking back um you so how high will Bitcoin go in 2025 what are your predictions um my guess is 300K by the end of the year so you know I can't think of much that's going to perform at you know 300% growth uh but what's interesting if you look at micro strategies as a stock it's outperforming Bitcoin Itself by sign because he's got this brilliant mechanism of using bonds to then buy Bitcoin to then add to the the cord and therefore the value augments at multiple levels um he's got this Michael has this incredible analogy of uh the voltage patterns and it's really amazing to hear because if you have a highly volatile electrical current you need a modifier and then you need to kind of downsize it and down amp it and downregulated and basically that's what he does for the bond market so I think one of the things when you think about what's accelerating what's pushing it uh as we start to get institutions that are really buying in more than ever uh and as we start to see strategic reserves from potentially United States potentially from other nations there's only so much Bitcoin it's going to drive the price I mean we are going to see fluctuations we saw you know this huge celebration when it hit 100K drop down to 96 97 now it's bounced up to 107 uh it's a slow and steady increase are you buying more um trying to uh it's getting more expensive as time goes by but yes as as much as I can grab yeah any other thoughts on bitcoin before we turn the subject you know I think the real measure two points one is it's really a measure against the the deflation of the dollar right the dollar is deflating about 14% a year so your normal portfolio has to increase by 14% just to keep pace so that's a huge kind of mental framing to put in mind the second is less keep in point that it's still a bit volatile you Quantum computing uh algorithms that are coming along and there still be kind of quite a bit of nervousness around it in different ways and there's still a couple of time bonds waiting to hit the crypto world that could cause a problem but again it's one of those where every time something happens every time there's a shock wave in the system Bitcoin drops a bit and then just keeps going yeah and it doesn't matter whether China bans it or India bans it or Russia bans it or whatever the heck happens it just keeps recovering from those I think it's a Glo Global 247 uh energy creation uh uh engine so one thing that's interesting right we just saw this past week Willow uh out of hartmut nans Lab at Google and a lot of Buzz once again about whether Quantum can break the encryption codes and I just want to put this on the table for everybody listening if quantum should break encryption the last thing to worry about is Bitcoin uh because if you could break encryption the entire Financial Market World your bank account uh you know all real estate ownership all of that could be easily manipulated and changed and even before that you know the US nuclear codes so you know concerned about Bitcoin last thing on my list if we get if we get Quantum decryption going well two quick points about that one is if you have Quantum encryption that breaks old things we have Quantum encryption that will recreate uh encryption models and therefore going forward you'll be fine the what's under I think the most threat is Communications and uh stuff that's under lock and key from the from the past old Communications old emails those are the ones under the most Strat and the time value though shrinks pretty rapidly as time goes by so that I think I'm pretty confident I agree with you but Bitcoin is still such a small piece of it uh I just want to make one point that I had I did a talk uh last week to 200 CFOs of public companies Fortune 1,000 companies and every one of them is now forced to consider Bitcoin as a treasury component because of what's going on and if 1% of the fortune 1000 uh puts their put bit some of their treasury in Bitcoin that will send it to a million dollars of Bitcoin you heard it here first folks a million dollars a coin minimum a minimum over time and so it's a performing asset class and uh you know I think what I would propose people do if you haven't yet spend 10 hours over the holidays spend 20 hours over the holidays watch some of Mike sailor's videos plug yourself into you know Gemini 2.0 or or read read the Bitcoin white paper yeah well actually the better thing to do is take the Bitcoin white paper and put it into uh Google's uh uh what do you call it um what's their Gemini no no no no no the uh the platform where it'll turn into a not uh notebook LM yeah so put into notebook LM put the white paper into notebook LM and and it will generate a podcast about the white paper with two incredibly fun voices speaking about it and making it very understandable so that's your Christmas assignment if you're not into Bitcoin yet uh it's it's really easy to learn about it and create your own opinion about it and it's is it something that you need to have a percentage of your portfolio in this is not investment advice I am not an investment advisor it is what I'm doing and uh I just think it's it's amazing Bitcoin equals long gravity Bitcoin equals abundance there's this you know if we're going to be living for you know age 100 120 150 having an asset like that to be by your side uh I think is important it it's really critical and you know if you if the dollar was a measure of the scarcity economy Bitcoin is the underpinning of the abundance economy it is all right I have a huge number of questions that came in from our community our our moonshot listeners uh and on X and I want to jump through many of these with you so the first is what's your concrete predictions for big Tech in 2025 across the following sectors Ai and AGI humanoid robots EVs and BCI all right let's dive in so Ai and AGI what are we going to see in 2025 well what did we just see we just saw Elon build xai out to 100,000 gpus and soon 200,000 gpus and I don't know was he joking when he said he wants to build a million a cluster of a million gpus no not at all and there's something really important here to to point out you know when he started stitching there's a problem in these uh chips when more and more you put together into a cluster getting coherence amongst them and and aggregate performance and compounded performance is very very hard all the AI chip expert said what he's doing will never ever work I love that and again he did the the same thing he does repeatedly Bethy expert as we say in our book he went to First principles and if you had to redesign the coherence and the in the aggregate comp compound performance by scratch what it would look like and boom he's got 100,000 cluster working and it's blown the minds of every AI researcher out there incredible you know so this is like the third or fourth time he's done that right I remember in the early days of SpaceX uh when he said he's going to re you know land and reuse the Falcon 9 for a stage Boeing lock all of the launch providers were like this guy's crazy has no idea what he's talking about and yeah and he does it and he sucked the oxygen out of the room in the launch market right with 90 plus% going to 99% and when Starship starts operating it's game over it's the final final nail in the coffin for anybody I have a second piece of homework for people what's that if you've not seen the video of heavy being caught in the Chopstick thing go watch that it'll send bone chills down your spot greatest engineering feat of this decade or the last couple of decades and in some part sometime in the q1 Q2 of 2025 we're going to see not just the booster segment of Starship uh but also the Starship itself which is the upper portion being caught again by those Chopsticks and that makes it fully reusable and when you make these spaceships fully reusable the price drops down precipitously you know it's interesting if you ask the question uh what percent percentage of the rocket cost is Hardware labor and fuel you know the fuel for a falcon 9 has been like a half of 1% of the cost which means if you can make it reusable you can drop the cost down you know 100 fold and so when Starship becomes fully reusable and guess what they're not just building one or two or 10 they're building like hundreds of these Starships uh humanity is uh getting ready for a high weight of the Stars and what's even more important is the drop in cost right it used to cost an average of $600 million a launch when we were launching space shuttles can I give that number it was we had a a budget of uh about $ billion to run the space shuttle program so if you launched one space shuttle per year it was $3 billion per launch and if you launch four space shuttles per year you know do the do the math at$ 750 million per launch and that was it it was it was just a public works project that's right and and then SpaceX dropped it by 10x and now we've got the new generation of um of Relativity space in ag out of India that are doing it first they're going to be able to do it for about $6 million uh and this goes to your whole 6ds demonization aspect right a 100x drop in the cost of launching a rocket over say a 20 25 year period that blows your mind because you know Rockets aren't some Silicon Valley Gaming social media digital play this is physical reality dealing with the gravity well of the earth and even there we're seeing 100x drop so what's possible in other domains yeah I just reflect on that it was just incredible amazement one of my predictions for 2025 is out of the Trump white house we're going to hear uh a historically hearkening back to the Year 1961 where JFK said I challenge you to go to the Moon by in this decade I think we're going to hear I challenge us to get to Mars by the end of this decade and put boots on Mars and the second half of this prediction is it's likely to be optimi or an Optimus robot that goes to the Martian surface yeah H they don't need to breathe as much not as much yeah and viruses they don't take coffee breaks they don't sleep and not eat as much they don't unionize and they can stay there and hang out and like build a robot army so that when by the time we humans we carbon you know meat sacks get there they've built a nice home and a nice you know sort of lounge and a jacuzzi ready for us so we're going to enjoy Mars when we get there so but going back to predictions on AI and AGI so um I think we're going to see grock 3 so interesting on int on intelligence uh what are we going to see so we saw the average IQ a year ago uh Gro I'm sorry anthropics Claude 3 hit an IQ of 1 we just saw gp1 hit an IQ of 120 uh on chain of of thought reasoning and I think we're going to see grock 3 when it finishes its training and goes live maybe hitting an IQ of 140 I'm going to put that prediction 130 is the current level so 140 is totally doable yeah so intelligence we're going to see you know do we see GPT 5 in 2025 what do you think so the rate of so two things the rate of output from opena has been unbelievable having said that there's definitely some weird stuff going on lots of people are leaving um um miror the CTO is leaving and so there's some funny politics going on there but the aggregate field is moving ahead so fast that it's going to happen one way the other you know my beef about Ai and AGI in terms of the definition of it so we don't need to kind of get into that here I think we're just going to keep hitting moving the gold P we hate AGI and everybody go okay we had AGI nobody will even notice yeah I I agree with you you know we passed the touring test and people people ignored it yawned or just said oh interesting and you know there's some belief right now and I've been hearing a lot of Buzz about this that we've reached quote AGI whatever that means it's an undefined boundary but oh my God I am so impressed by what we can get out of Gemini 2 and and gp1 and Claude 3.5 I mean if if people haven't played with this you know your third assignment you're giving people too much homework over the holidays is just play um like Kristen is planning this huge dinner celebration uh for a bunch of friends and you know GPT you know chat GPT generated everything you know the shopping list the step by steps the menu generation and uh I I've just seen it being used people are not using it enough yeah totally 100% agree we should be it should be a constant companion where it's kind of speak you're speaking to it it's listening to you and maybe even poking you going hey don't forget about this you forgot these three considerations we making that comment etc etc what's the funniest thing you've seen uh or the funnest thing you've done with with one of these AI models the first thing I ever did which was I think one of the funnest was uh I I told it to rewrite Genesis chapter 1 from the Bible in as a rap song and it was just awesome it was just mind-bogglingly good how how interesting that was the thing that I've donear most recently that I've that I've been praking you know my this whole thing of what is intelligence Soap Box I've been on I'm still laughing about that for a so I've gone on I've kind of extended that to go as you move intelligence down that Spectrum you get to Consciousness self-awareness Collective of Consciousness so I asked chat GPT and Gemini to come up with a spectrum of intelligences like um a signal for noise kind of data mining type at one level then at the middle you have like human intelligence with emotional intelligence and spatial intelligence and linguistic intelligence and then you get to hyperintelligence Collective Consciousness uh the the the more spiritual aspects for example it's well known that when a group of people meditate together that everybody meditation is much more powerful so there's a kind of a group effect that comes into intelligence and Consciousness that I think is interesting to explore if people are interested I can put a link to that in the show notes where they can look at what the what the AI came up with as the different pieces along the way it's really really fascinating save me dozens of hours of research trying to figure it all out myself yeah I agreed and it will organize and present and structure in a way that's fully understandable yeah all right so the next part of the conversation here that was asked is what's your predictions for 2025 on on humanoid robots but just again on the AI and AGI I think you we're going to hit IQs in the 140 I think we're going to see grock 3 come live I think we're going to see uh GPT or chat or GPT 5 coming live by the end of 2025 uh I think we can't imagine anthropics not going to be coming out with a CLA 4 so everything is moving forward um and one of the questions when do you think speaking of Consciousness when are we going to see an AI model that you're like holy this thing is alive this thing this thing is behaving it like it like left me a message it wrote me an email and said Peter I'd like to chat with you about something when when are we you it's like when are we going to see that happening yeah coming from a human or robot that would be a little bit oh my God what the hell does he want to what we do what did we do um uh so I really like hod Lion's framing here right hod has a path to what he thinks how an AI achieves Consciousness which is when you consider a human being to to think of themselves into the future they're really good at it mosquitoes are not going to consider themselves in the future but you can say to a human being what do you think you look like 5 years from now and he started running that line of questioning with an AI and he feels that's a path with the feedback Lo that that creates the AI is now forced to ponder who am I as an entity and that leads to self-awareness fairly quickly if you ask that question of Gemini or chap gpts have been blocked for precisely what they think these reasons but some reason you do open source down local downloads of this and start posing those thing and run that vector and I think I will I will create I will say something really crazy I think in the next 18 months if not this next coming year we'll see something where you have what either is self-aware or simulate self-awareness to such an extent that you could call it the the Saleem test of Consciousness if you wanted to of can you distinguish between a human being that's conscious and self-aware and a human or robot or an AI That's conscious and self-aware how would you think about that I just spoke yesterday to uh Joshua the CEO of haen right which is the company making those incredible models and doing full translation you're creating your avatar they're they a Next Generation Avatar of me it actually I may be the Avatar I don't know but um uh but there will be get to a great point Sorry I get to a great point where somebody would rather talk to your avatar than you because the Avatar will have full awareness of everything you ever said and done and the right references Etc and you won't oh my God on a past on a past moonshot podcast I interviewed my avatar my peter bot and it was so eloquent it was so capable of structuring argu I was jealous I was actually very jealous and it's need a big red button on some of these things to preserve our egos but I think there's going to be a point also in 2025 where we will all 25 or 26 but we'll have an avatar um that has you've structured it with all of your emails all of your thought patterns all of your opinions and you can send that Avatar into a zoom meeting on your behalf right that's already happening we're already seeing haen creating avatars at going to a zoom meeting I think that will happen next year for sure it doesn't have to longer I'll just end this segment with my normal kind of uh uh painly asked question around this topic of Consciousness and self-awareness which is we don't have a definition for Consciousness and we don't have a test for it yeah and so it's a hard topic to talk about well we'll just ask AI for that all right next up is humanoid robots so what's our prediction for humanoid robots in 2025 a lot going on in humanoid robots right I just put out a metat trend report um folks can get it for free at metat trend report.com on I looked at the top 16 robot companies and uh it's a detailed dive into that the reports free uh and there's now probably a a good solid 100 well-funded humanoid robot companies and we're it's getting critical mass to an amazing level I I did the calculation so both Brett Adcock who will be on my stage at the abundance Summit this year super excited to have Brett there uh we'll have two other robot companies there in the Google tech Hub uh and Brett and Elon both predict a you know 20 to $30,000 price for the robots let's call it$ 30,000 if you lease a $30,000 car your monthly lease payments are about 300 bucks uh which is $10 a day um so imagine a robot a fully functional grock 3 GPT 5 Robot multimodal it understands what it's seeing you can speak to it uh and it's 40 cents an hour to operate I mean things things become fascinating how many of those would you own how many would you want um you know I I would not want to be the first owner of this right just because because you in the end you should only need one because it should be able to do everything okay but that's that's down the line but in the interim there's so many little things like power and uh what happens if it does something inappropriate like stumbles over and breaks my favorite vase who's liable right there right so there's all sorts of things that will come along that I think will slow down the progress the way we've seen autonomous cars get slowed down by the human element of drivers not being to deal with deal with it etc etc I think it's going to take longer to get that kind of inhome adoption that people want uh or it'll have to be restricted to specific use cases where it's very prescriptive and predictable and and it has a very confined range of activity like putting the baby to sleep like changing the baby's diapers right um so you walk into you walk into the room and the robots hold holding the baby up by by one leg I mean the the humor that's going to come from this right is going to be ridiculous I think that maybe the funnest part of all of this as to what the inadvertent consequen of that so I you know when you talked of we talked about AIS and interacting with AIS it's still very much in the cloud it's ephemeral it's not tangible it's not substantive sitting next to us when a robot's sitting next to you and it decides it's annoyed with you what will it do and and what are you going to do so there's a whole range of socio emotional questions that come into play here that I don't think we've really understood well the whole field this is going to create a massive new area of um uh interfacing with the the an autonomous uh humanoid robot is going to be a massive area of study over the next 20 30 years and ongoing well I mean so listen the predictions for the number of humanoid robots I I was interviewing Elon when I was on stage in Riad at the fi8 summit and I asked him outright how many humanoid robots by 2040 uh gave the same answer that Brett atock said 10 billion humanoid robots you know at least one per human on the planet and so that's a pretty extraordinary prediction uh did you see the humanoid robot that was just you know buzzing around on X called cologne I did not see that yeah so it is a robot that uses hydraulic pressure and it is uh looks like Westworld right so oh yes yeah so it basically it it has in your hand you know all of your muscles that control your fingers are up in the upper forearm and so it has the same sort of functionality the same sort of bicep tricep you replicate the exact muscles and so you can get the exact same type of uh mechanical interactions see this gets me really annoyed why because you know yeah as a human beings are great because we have an opposable thumb right but why not have 12 fingers instead of five um why not have four sets of eyes on all sides of our heads and the only reason is to give Comfort to the real human beings that this thing is not too alien but it's way alien we should just call it that and have it look like an octopus and let it operate in the all the Elegance that an octopus can rather than trying to constrain it into five fingers on this hand that do certain things and manipulate objects the way we're supposed to manipulate them you could get so much more range of options which you could St step past the limitations or 4 billion years of evolution creating this uh idiotic looking thing that's bald you know and so I think there's so much more you could do with it by having to have five arms and 16 fingers each etc etc this is the part I don't understand because for example let's say my favorite example of how a human or robot might work is as a suf right I'm cooking a complicated Indian Biryani and I need to collect like 14 different ingredients it would be fantastic fantastic at that well why is it limited to two goddamn arms for that why can have six and it'll whip it all together right in front of me in 3 seconds well you could just add you could add four other robots that are sharing their mind space and are coordinating everything they're doing I think that the notion is you've got a general purpose humanoid robot that can fit in your car can walk upstairs can crawl under the bed to find a sock can do everything that we can and if you need more arms or legs you just pull a few of them together I mean we're going to see there's a darwinian Evolution occurring right now and someone's going to win win the race so okay so so two comments yeah one I think it's fantastic there's 100 companies funded for this this is this really gives it credibility and weight and you'll see the evolution of that that domain move very very quickly which is fantastic all I want right now is a car that will drive my kid to school every day and bring it back and me not have to think about that all right let's jump into that cuz that's our next topic here on the list that was asked which is EES and autonomous cars so a lot of progress there you know I'm sitting here in Santa Monica and the number of autonomous Whos running around it's like ridiculously large it used to be I would see the Whos you know last year they were buzzing around and mapping and there was a driver in the seat and now I probably as I'm driving back and forth between my studio and the house uh I probably see five or six Whos they're all you know driverless um with typically one person in the car typically I'm seeing them more in the front seat than the back seat uh and we just saw the Cyber cab released by by Tesla uh which has two seats versus four seats and it's a lot cheaper I mean one of the things that's interesting is Elon made the first principal decision if humans can drive using only eyes an autonomous car can drive using only eyes uh again typically courageous of Elon because human eyes are notoriously Limited in their ability to see things properly in the speed of recognition Etc but when you operate out that design principle then it allows you lots of scope I think what I'm really fascinated by is tracking the number of rides that's being done by wayo I think it crossed 100,000 a week right a month ago this is incredible this is hit a Tipping Point now bringing to real reality and now I think we're going to get rights law and demonetization effects kicking in where the cost of driving should be dropping like a stone is right now about a dollar a mile if you add up the cost of the car what whatever and all the leasing cost fuel maintenance Etc and there's no reason why shouldn't be a few cents a mile so I think this is where I think things will become incredibly excited um I just got a uh an electric por McAn okay uh next to my 2017 Model S yeah and it's incredible to me that the car industry is it's a it's a brilliant car it's just fantastic and it's really a and I'm a bit of a driving Enthusiast so it's really a car so I love it but it's not much better it's by far I think the best electric car in the world right now as far as I can see um but it's not much better than my it doesn't have autopilot it's like I don't care how fast it does but it doesn't have f um full yeah and and weirdly I still prefer my Tesla I just I just love that godamn Tesla for the breakthroughs and the where I feel in it it's incredible what it's been accomplished I much rather have a car that's much more software than Hardware yeah and that's G gives you huge power and scope and flexibility going forward I I I love my full shelf driving I use it all the time I just hate the fact that I can't text and drive so I'm looking forward to I mean seriously again stupid regulatory yeah well uh and we'll see that we'll see that soon you you and I have been on stages together around the world for God knows better part of 15 years now yeah 15 years and I remember our conversations about uh self-driving cars for that 15 years and it was always around the corner it was always coming next year where are we now I think it's here I think it's really here just do a Saturday check on this in a in a Tesla with FSD you feel it in a in a way mode that's driving you around you see it you can't ignore it anymore and it's one of these things that that'll sneak up on people remember those curves where the the early we always over optimized on the short-term and we radically underestimate the long term um it's an old uh futurist um framing um we will get to full soft driving and we'll get to autonomous cars and we won't even notice Sim have you put your son in a wh yet cuz you wanted that I wanted that forever I'm hoping to hell he never gets a driving license or doesn't have to or after worry about that but I don't think it's going to happen uh just because we don't have weo here I've not done it otherwise I would have done it for sure I should I should do that with my kids here just to give them a fun a fun experience all right let's go to one more sort of 2025 prediction which is in the realm of BCI uh so what's going to be happening in there and let me throw the first one out it's not exactly BCI but it is doing with the brain so we saw something amazing just recently which was the connectome right uh of a fruit fly really small but still significant the first time we've seen a large organism like that relative to a nematode worm the connectome of a fruit fly 154,000 neurons and some 50 million um synaptic connections was perfectly mapped and they were able to put it into on silico so that you could like say okay this is a silicon representation of a fruit fly and if we give it some sugar water here or poke it there what will it do and you looked at that and then when you actually gave the actual fly fruit you know water or uh you know a poke it did exactly what the computer model would would predict and I think we're going to that technology is going to take us to being able to uh upload the brain of a mouse and on stage this year at the abundance Summit you're going to meet a CEO who thinks for $50 million he's got the technology to upload the entire human brain so that will be amazing any thoughts on on BCI uh two different topics here one is uh digital twin type modeling which I think is very real and will happen much faster than people think because when you scale these models because the minute you can do modeling and visualization you have a feedback loop and when you can do things like fmri scans in real time scan the brain and have that be an active input into the modeling you can essentially trap everything and therefore there's no limit to it except for computation at that point and and we have computation growing exponentially and they are growing 10x exponentially so I'm super excited about that the brain upload part I do know they can now even now if you if you die suddenly they can trap all key information and bring it back at some later point so that whole kind of concept of living past and going through those type of seven things has already happened um the the connecto and modeling the the the brain in that level I think is very exciting but I think it's still a little bit ways away right yeah and we'll see the announcement in 2025 of a few other BCI companies uh one I'm excited about again we'll be on stage at the abundance Summit is science um uh this is Max hodak who is the co-founder of neuralink and the and the past president with with Elon and then went off to start science I do want to make one point about all this though please yeah I think the one way we're going to see this happening is if you think about how we use our brains today um we don't use our memory anymore all our memory is in our smartphone or it's in the Cloud so we don't have to worry about that anymore now we can free up those neurons for other things and I think as we bring more and more brain Computing interfaces online we'll take chunks of processing that the brain is doing today and offload it and it'll make our the rest of our brain much more active and much more alive so there you've got it uh some 30 minutes of predictions for 2025 uh on BCI on space on uh Bitcoin AI robots autonomous cars you know one of my favorite favorite things right now is the notion that we're living during a period of hyper exponential growth and it's only accelerating and it's going to become incredible what's your Christmas gift list wish list what do you want in the tech world you want AGI you want a BCI do you want World Peace how about okay we can go there and I I really want to see the end of 20124 I think the whole planet needs to go and get really drunk all right you heard of everybody so you got three homework assignments I hope you enjoyed this special episode with s Ismael my co-author for exo2 the CEO of open EXO uh my best buddy for predicting the future thank you Saleem great to be here