I think that the the challenge that CIA has is that it has a lot of very smart very hardworking very dedicated uh Heroes who work as worker bees and then you have political appointees and career career uh seeking guies guies who become the senior level managers so if you've when you are in government you only have one track to promotion and that is to further entrench yourself in government when you're in the commercial sector when you're like a a corporate executive you actually want to broaden and challenge a status quo because you might work for Shell this year but then next year you might get hired by Exon and then next year you might get hired by Amazon and then next year you might get hired by Google right so you want to constantly broaden and challenge the status quo whereas in government you have one way to promotion entrench yourself in the status quo deeper and deeper and so bureaucracy inevitably just takes over and clogs it up correct so that's that's what ends up happening and those are the people who are in charge and then you've got this whole Workforce at the bottom that has to decide what is my career path going to be do I entrench to try to climb or do I bail the [ __ ] out and what You' seen ever since the Trump election in 2016 is a mass Exodus of people in the intelligence Community because Trump challenged the intelligence Community just like you said right and once he challenged it and said you guys are a bunch of idiots you keep you keep calling me a Russian spy all of a sudden that called into question whether CIA even knew what they were doing okay I want to talk about the Trump thing thing Trump steps in and he chooses not to use CIA for his intelligence right he openly says that correct and then who does he use he commercializes he hires commercial intelligence W for example like uh do you know James Baker yes so James who used used to work for the CIA yep like you used to work and now he has his own private intelligence firm so would Trump I love James by the way great guy we called him for the Netflix show 100% still works for the CIA 1,000% I love you he's so [ __ ] talented like he can host a comedy show he'll be on Fox News hosting a show but 100% still works for the CIA and that's like the best position which I think you also do but we'll get to that in a second now he would hire him and then get his intelligence from him and his company right so the reason that that works the the idea of commercialized intelligence or private intelligence is what it's called on the inside private intelligence is a successful business model because private intelligence can do things that National Security governance can't do for example uh the War on Drugs it's very difficult for you to get Congressional funding to fight the war on drugs doing things as inefficiently as the federal government does them you got to send troops you got to get orders approved like there's a huge cost that comes with all the administrative stuff of getting the government to do something okay in the commercial sector you basically write them a check for 2 million and say hey we need secrets about cocaine drug lords and then the company does whatever they need to do to get those secrets so maybe they hire five former seals two former Colombian Special Forces two former mad and they go in and maybe they do good things maybe they do bad things but they definitely deliver Secrets right wow and that's where private intelligence becomes powerful and Donald Trump it's the efficiency of privatization Donald Trump knew that and took advantage of that and as a as a result of that he essentially showed in four years that CIA was super powerful but can be replaced by private intelligence wow wow okay so then you I think it was on Lexus pod you were speaking about this a little bit and then he also limited something he limited security clearance for people who would leave CIA this is important this is important because this was one of the things that Trump did very well that he never got credit for MH the way that you make money when you're a federal government employee is not being a federal government employee like 30 years and you're a senior ranking officer and you're making $160,000 a year that's what want to do with a junior sales make 250 so what ends up happening is you work those years so that you can build a network and so you can have very high level clearances and those clearances don't expire the day you resign they expire with time so when you have a top secret clearance or a secret clearance the thing that makes it expire is either you break a law and they pull it from you or you don't engage in activity you don't engage in a job where you have where you use that access as long as you keep using that access access it keeps being valid the job is for the government or can it be any job it's a job for the government because the government is what defines classification right so now you're a senior intelligence officer making $160,000 a year you retire from government well now you have all the contacts of all the other offices inside the agency contacts with FBI NSA Dia NGA right you're connected to everybody so then boo Allen Hamilton or khaki or ManTech or any one of the big National Security intelligence contractors they can hire you make you a Executive Vice President pay you $400,000 a year and they're essentially paying for your clearance and what they're paying for is for your access to all these other agencies because of your network so Trump shut that down because he was there was like a brain drain if you will people were leaving the agency to go work in the private sector and go make money and he was like you're not going to leave the agency and take your clearance so you can either stay here or you could leave but you're not take that and there was a second there was a second reason to doing it the other reason he was doing it was because he wanted to limit the competition of private intelligence firms outside of the firms that he was using oh so he was doing it to scratch their backs oh for sure so he was doing it to scratch their backs and oh my God this is next level sh good reason finally one thing okay so he's scratching the backs of his friends his friends allegedly let's just say have these intelligence companies what would you call them firms yeah private intelligence firms private intelligence firms and he's so they already have these employees that have clearance yes and he and there's also employees that that don't have clearance right but it's it's all about at the end of the day I know this might shatter your trust in the federal government it's still a good old boys network it's still who do you know who do you trust and who's going to be loyal to you when people turn on you that's still very much how the government works okay and that's just because it's hard for the government to evolve it's not like the commercial sector that can evolve very quickly it has to you said there was a mass Exodus when uh Trump came into office is it the older people that are like rules are the younger it's the younger generation and why they were leaving the younger generation is leaving because they're they're asking themselves the question future wow and my Futures in the private sector I'm out of this I make years I'm not going to be able to take my my clearance with me there's I'm going to make no money for 30 years and then not even have the balloon when I retire of private security and what does their career look like their career looks like in a federal government that can't tell its ass from its elbows yeah right and don't forget too that from 2016 to 2020 during that Trump Administration he didn't trust the CIA so when he doesn't trust the C for good reason for mixed reasons some were good some were bad but but keep in mind that the CIA falls under the executive what you say the what got him got him well done he's my asset now this is my asset now let's go keep going that's all it is he's like a pokon that's all it is bro you slowly get them to what does it get on board what do it there you go [ __ ] yeah yeah yeah I got worn down I got worn that's it but you keep in mind that CIA CIA right CIA falls under the executive branch there's three branches of government right the Executive Branch the boss is the executive the president so when the CIA when CIA listen to the boss the boss doesn't fund them so when the boss says I don't need you I'm going to cut your funding now all of a sudden your operations get cut everybody who's working there can't get those the operations that they need in order to get their promotions now is that system this sucks built like 20 years time all the government agencies are going to be [ __ ] because we're not getting any of the best young talent but think about real quick real quick the the system then is set up not to bring forth the best data and intelligence it's built to satisfy the boss and satisfying the boss might not keep America at safest because sometimes what the boss wants to be true is not if there's an imminent threat and the boss doesn't care about it but the CIA or CIA is like yo this is what it is and you need to [ __ ] listen and you need to fund this this is a big problem now the CIA [ __ ] up when you lose the confidence of the boss so this is a huge issue it's a massive issue this this is why you hear so many people every election cycle you hear you will he hear people talk about intelligence reform this is what they're talking about