if the market has changed what are the best strategy to build wealths i don't know right here right now in 2025 is it crypto or you are looking for the different type of the assets a different type of the products or maybe you will be you decided to become an infrastructure product and collect a fee from every transaction you know the last time when I was on your podcast uh I think I think it was on your podcast when I said that the best asset in the world isn't crypto or stocks or cash it's people so and people is business so I think that the best asset and that is something you can control you can have some impact over and influence so I still believe that Bitcoin is the soundest asset and Ethereum as well for the ecosystem of the entire crypto industry but overall I think that outside of the spectrum of long-term investments the second best is business what do you think about the attention economy can you explain it this principles in a few words because you are so influential anyway i'm not influential yeah i'm not even sure what that is really because a lot of people more and more talking about this it's like now if you have a lot of I cannot say followers like Trump like attention economy this is the example of of the attention economy where you just tweet one tweet something okay so you mean news driven price action news driven yeah it's always been like this like a lot of people are always saying now I understand what you mean but so it's always been like this in terms of the stock market you know if they have even with I don't know Elon Musk if he tweets something about certain company the stock will pump he tweets so much every day yeah but I mean he still has a lot of influence it's always been like this for the eternity i mean look at what happened with JP Morgan they paid fines for it they manipulated the silver market for so many so many years and they kept even calculating they got to make much more money on the manipulation or on the fines but it's therefore if you call it attention economy interesting term I should Google it anyway it's it's the same thing so it's just become more vivid with the crypto industry and all the meme coins which have no value but I think it brought a lot of new users to crypto but I don't think it's going to continue for much longer do you trade any meme coins or you have maybe have any portfolio you do yeah i mean in this cascading liquidation event I lost like $120,000 on Trumpcoin so old man owes me a little bit of money now just kidding it was my mistake with it i get it so where to invest in Bitcoin oh man I've been a fan of Ethereum for a long time i know people are hating on it but honestly if you look at Salana same thing which is kind of a competitor but there is a reason why we're not building Evidex on Salana because you know yeah it's maybe faster and cheaper than I don't know Ethereum as a base layer but at the same time you know if Salana dies for 4 days again and Evex just freezes together with it ah that's the reason why of course yeah it's not reliable salana is great for memecoins and like look at all the infrastructurally important projects they're all only related to the meme coins only on Salana there is maybe 10% of important projects everything else is coins so on Ethereum on the other hand there is some coins but mostly 70% of all the stuff is on Ethereum look at stable coins they're not on Salana they're on Ethereum mostly for this reason we have chosen Ethereum well arbitrum which is an LT of Ethereum to build our own uh rollup in general I think that I'm still super mega bullish on ETH because even if you look at the price action you will say "What is this?" Because honestly down to 2,000 that's the levels of the bare market but I think there is a reason why I think that some big people just want to buy more and they've been suppressing it and you know that's why it looks horrible but not financial advice but I think that once the pump comes it will be like holding you know because I think that the even if you look at the order books at liquidity at clusters on Ethereum it's just abnormal i'm not even talking about the funding raise yeah I heard about it that it's I saw it also it's powerful like I mean 10K easy maybe even 15 20K and I think once they let it go once the change of hands finishes from the people who are impatient to the people like Black Rockck who are going to be holding for the next 20 years 20 years they can do but the question is how low we going to go first that's also that's why not financial advice but that's my bet also for example LDO Lido why it's always grow before before the E is usually several hours before the E is lido is is going up but I do not understand the idea of the lido this is what for example Donald Trump is using to stake Ethereum so Lido is just a staking platform where you can just stake Ethereum basically if they're going to introduce staking into Ethereum ETF in the United States imagine what's going to happen they're going to mostly use Lido arguably because because they need to stake it yes the one of the biggest TVL of Ethereum is on Lido and it's been a stable coin for a long time like it's actually if you look at the price action it's pretty strong it has survived the fire the nails and everything above I think that Lido once they approve the staking for the ETF and I think that the volumes for Ethereum at least short-term will surpass bitcoins because Ethereum okay bitcoin is a store of value but Ethereum it's fundamentally important it's got more utility it's more deflationary what depending on the volume and most importantly it pays dividends bitcoin doesn't ethereum if you think about S&P P 500 US stocks usually have no dividends or maybe 0.5% 1% some something very little that's just the nature of the market and then there is a deflationary asset that is almost basically capped and we have important infrastructure products that are going to be possibly used for by the United States and it also gives you 3 to 4% a year holy they're going to absolutely jump on it and the reason why they didn't is because they didn't approve staking they had to remove it but now if you pay attention to details for example Kraken recently well they removed staking because of SE but now even before the approval they reintroduced it so I mean Kraken is a US platform they know what's coming so they will introduce staking into DTF and once they do and they going to use LIO or a combination of services something like Lido will do 10x like probably in a day it's going to show 100% stick up so that's why I'm kind of looking at it and I've been buying a little bit hey if you like this video don't forget to watch a full episode and also check the links in the description below