Destiny you would vote for Joe Biden's ear with his ashes inside rather than Donald Trump listen if they wheel that dude out and he's got an IV drip in him I'm still voting for him over Donald Trump President Joe Biden has achieved something that for many years seemed impossible he appears to have unified America not behind a policy an ideology or a dream but behind the blunt truth that he's no longer fit to serve and Mass's 72% of Voters now believe he does not have the mental or cognitive health to serve as president a 12-point rise since his debate night disaster the attempts to defend him look increasingly desperate now more so misde deflection from Nancy Pelosi this is an opportunity for Joe B to go out there and show he has the stamina and the rest and by the way while the press and for some reason they don't there are uh uh healthc Care Professionals who think that that uh Trump has dementia that his connection his thoughts do not go together not only that he just lies he doesn't even know the truth so if we're just talking about mental acuity let's be fair about it yes let's be fair about it and to be perfectly fair about it Nancy py probably isn't the one who should be adjudicating on mental acuity and the calls for Biden to stand down are in fact coming mostly now from his own supporters Thomas fredman a put a surprise running author and the president's longtime friend wrote him the New York Times Joe Biden a good man and a good president has no business running for re-election if he insists on running and loses to Trump Biden and his family and his staff and party members who enabled him will not be able to show their faces that's a Biden fan a Biden friend and that latter point it's a crucial one many Americans are now Justified be asking well who exactly is running the country conservative commentators have long been dismissed his conspiracy theorists that arguing that the Democrats will swap out Biden at the last minute and the people like jel Biden the first lady are unduly influential but on those points it turns out they were probably right all along well Dr Jill's appearance on the cover of the new Vogue magazine is unfortunately time to say the very least makes it look like maybe she's the one who's in charge here this weekend the Biden family gathered at Camp David where they reportedly encouraged the president to keep fighting this comes after footage emerged of the first lady leading a seemingly stricken president off stage after debate a scene that was grimly rep reminiscent of a nursing home President Biden shouldn't be listening to his advisers or his son or his wife the stakes are far too high but he should now listen to himself if I were to run I think they're going to judge me on my Vitality can I still run up the steps of Air Force 2 am I still in good shape am I do I have all my faculties am I am I energetic I think it's totally legitimate people that ask those question this is for the voters to decide take a look look at me see if I have the energy see if I know what I'm talking about and make their judgment I think it's a legitimate thing to be concerned about anyone's age including mine I think it's totally legitimate but I think the best way to make the judgment is to uh to you know watch me yeah well we did the world watched and the Judgment was clear in a 90-minute live debate in front of a 100 million people around the world there was nowh for Joe Biden to hide anymore the few Democrats still defending him are guilty of the same blink cultism they accus Maga Republicans are pedaling about Trump and the only voters who truly want Biden to remain the candidate in November's election are the ones who were voting for Donald Trump well Jo me join me on debate all this is the host of the Michael nll show and reported fascist I think that's his jokey description Michael NES host of the habituation room podcast Franchesco fantini host of Tommy Len his fearless and now Tommy Len and the streamer and commentator Destiny right Destiny let me start with you are you going to stare down the barrel of that camera and construct any convincing argument that Joe Biden should now remain as the Democrat nominee for this election I think the difficult reality is your incumbent Advantage is strong and at this point it's too late to replace him so you're kind of stuck with them at this point it's not too late though there is a mechanism they can do it they can ratified at the convention it's not too late and we're going to come to Tommy in a moment who's been saying for ages is more likely to be gathering Nome I think she was right all along and actually I said similar things myself it's not too late the question is are the Democrats after that absolute Horror Story of a debate seriously going to let this guy be the one who allows Trump to get back to the White House that's the calculation surely I mean your strongest arguments are Biden's ran against Trump before and one and Biden's your incumbent you can say that it's not too late to replace him that somebody like Gavin new can run for president and and he can do just as good as Biden would but I mean people said the same thing that dantz would represent a strong challenge to Trump and he got absolutely obliterated it's easy to look at a candidate that hasn't gone through the ringer that hasn't been tested in a national level uh election but who knows if new comes out there could be one or two little scandals lurking behind the curtains that now we see uh that gets you know infinite air time over the next few months reality is that Biden is probably the best shot the Democrats have right now to win but do you genuinely believe he should therefore continue and be the nominee I think that the Democrats should run the best candidate that they can to defeat trp you keep distancing yourself from this Destiny come on what do you think well I think that Joe Biden is the best candidate right now given that he's already beaten Donald Trump in one election I think that Joe Biden is the best candidate right now to run against Donald Trump I think beating Donald Trump is hang sorry don't want to be unfair to you T but of all the Democrats in America how many are there I mean tens of millions right of all of them you think Joe Biden right now after that debate is the best candidate the party could prod seriously I'm sure there are better candidates but it's not about who the best candidate is it's about who you know the best candidate is I'm sure that you could flip a coin and find somebody that might end up performing better but again look at how many people have these huge reputations look at Cuomo uh and how he was destroyed after a couple scandals like you have no idea if you take a candidate who looks strong and I admit Nome looks strong he's amazing onstage presentation and everything but who knows if you throw them up that there are just one or two accusations or one or two scandals or one or two things that the American public doesn't know about that now dominates the news cycle for the next few months and even though he was a strong candidate on paper like Des santz he disappears okay Tommy Lo you'd be waiting patiently actually for several years to say what I think you're about to say which is of course they should get rid of Biden and try and parachute in somebody like M I mean do you do you feel a bit Vindicated by what's been going on I feel very Vindicated but I'll also say Piers I hope that they run Joe Biden that would be the easiest contest for Donald Trump to beat would be Joe Biden so as much as I do believe they're going to select another candidate I hope that they maintain with Joe Biden I hope that that's their guy and if that is the strongest candidate you have in the Democrat R party that says a lot about the Democrat Party last week's debate performance was horrifying it was horrifying as an American to watch because like it or not this guy still represents the United States of America and as an American although I didn't vote for Joe Biden and I will never vote for Joe Biden that is still my president and our enemies and our allies watched that and it was horrifying not only the mumbles and the bumbles and the losing the train of thought at one point Joe Biden said that people are getting raped by their in-laws and their sisters he had one opportunity to dunk on the issue of abortion where he really could get the eyes and ears of the American public that's very divided on that issue and he chose to say that people are getting raped by their sisters so that was a horrible performance I think they've got to go with somebody else and what I think is so interesting here is that of all the names being floated I'm not hearing vice president kamla Harris on the tip of the tongue of any leading Democrat I'm hearing Gavin n I'm hearing Gretchen Whitmer I'm hearing a couple of other names being floated but nobody's really saying vice president kamla Harris that's got we have a little clip which is a mashup there's a much longer version of about four minutes of her repeating the same line This is a little bit of it watch this what could be unburdened by what had been what can be unburdened by what has been what can be unburdened by what has been what can can be unburdened by what has been what can be unburdened by what has been what we can see what we believe can be unburdened by what has been what can be unburdened by what has been I can imagine what can be and be unburdened by what has been you know I mean Tomy you you posted that on X I mean it is this goes on for four minutes it's about all she ever says and there's an irony because the one thing she would be is burdened by what has gone on before because if there's anyone in America or Democrat Party more unpopular than Joe Biden it is CA Harris yeah appear and that's why they keep jacking up Joe to get him through each and every single day is because the thought of kamla Harris terrifies them even more than dementia Joe she also says things about the passage of time and how it passes I mean she has no excuse she doesn't have cognitive decline or dementia to fall back on she is just that bad so I think that's why they've been maintaining Joe for so long it's because of kamla but boy they're gonna have to face that reality sooner than later yeah Franchesca look I we've talked about this before but must there must be a painful moment right now for a lot of people who are Democrats right where your guy is just clearly has now been exposed as I would argue as somebody who's not got a horse in the race I'm British um that I I just think has exposed himself as unfit for the highest office in the land but what do you do you know there are five months left of the election you either allow him to limp on and I believe if that's the case get crushed by Trump or you try and parachute somebody else in which carries with it as Destiny was saying its own risks yeah yeah no there's massive risks of replacing Joe Biden that being said I do think he should be replaced um and interestingly Hunter Biden is the one family member that wants Joe Biden to not run why would anyone listen to him I mean I think I think it's more self I'm just saying L to hun Biden the a single day without the right on his dick you know because they love to spread photos of it and show it on Congressional floors but look politically here's where I stand I wanted Bernie not Weekend at Bernie's I think we all need to just lay that out there I put this squarely at the feet of the democratic party they ran a piss poor candidate in 2016 they ran in 2020 and yes they did win there was a a a trifecta um there was a covid-19 pandemic going on at the time and Obama made that call and everybody fell in line but is Joe Biden the best candidate this time around absolutely not and I think it is depressing and enraging to millions of Americans who the only person they hate more than Joe Biden and KLA Harris maybe is Don Donald Trump right is the fact that you have everything going against Donald Trump not just the fact that he will pass a National Abortion ban the fact that he wants to implement project 2025 and abolish the department of let me finish let me finish is true he's not said he wants to pass a National Abortion ban so see when I hear Democrats do that it reminds me of Trump's the new Hitler it's like why exaggerate why why go too far he's never said he wants a national pay attention to the news that's happening right now the farri takeover of the judicial system in this country is already underway and just today they allowed a president to have immunity total immunity which means the Jack Smith case total immunity see again again Franchesca look with respect again you'll massively exaggerating the US Supreme Court has ruled let me clarify for viewers right you said they've given him total immunity they haven't the Supreme Court ruled that Donald Trump is partially immune from prosecution but actions taken while he was in the white house they said that while the president immune from Criminal prosecution for official acts taken in office he is not immune for unofficial acts big difference to Total immunity so again why exaggerate there is nothing to exaggerate here what I'm saying you just did about abortion and Immunity he okay so he's immune from uh stealing White House Secrets after he leaves the office is that what you're saying it's okay for him you mean like Joe Biden did yeah Joe Biden which when he was told he was like oh here you go look I'm not here to defend Joe Biden you're trying to get on me all I'm saying is Donald Trump represents a far worse threat to the American people and Joe Biden's a terrible messenger for his own damn campaign he can't even articulate the fact that we unemployment as was at its lowest rate last year 1969 the econom is actually doing quite well Biden but the guy can't put his mouth around the words and he had a perfectly good attack line on Trump about abortion if he could remember what it was supposed to be but he couldn't Michael noes bring bring Michael he be waiting very patiently I mean look I think what was extraordinary 65% of of people who watched that debate thought Trump was a winner Trump hasn't seen approval like that as a politician right so that showed you how bad it was and Incredibly 30% of people who watched it thought that Biden won which just goes to show how deep partisan tribalism runs right because even Joe Biden those even Barack Obama said he had a bad night um what happens here what do you think is going to happen well I have to correct my friend Franchesca here who says the only person that Americans hate more than Biden As Trump that that isn't true that's why Biden proposed the debate in the first place is because his numbers just were not strong enough against Trump and and it completely backfired on him uh however I'm with Destiny I I agree that that Biden is the best nominee for the Democrats right now I still don't think he beats Trump but who else are they going to pick as we've said kamla no way Michelle Obama is not going to run and she's not nearly as popular as people say she is Gavin Nome I I don't think that Patrick baitman plays in Peoria okay I don't think Gavin Newsome wins Michigan I don't think he wins Pennsylvania who mayor Pete who we gonna get are we gonna dig up Al Gore is he is he going to run there is no better candidate for them right now the problem is that Joe Biden also can no longer be the nominee because the entire liberal establishment has just admitted he's not fit for the job the biggest problem right now for Biden is he has admitted it you know we heard in 2020 that his obvious slips and gaffs and memory lapses were just the recurrence of a childhood stutter that had disappeared for the first 47 years of his political career but there it came roaring back in 2019 and now even Biden is admitting he says I don't talk as well as I used to I don't debate as well as I used to but dog gonet the one thing I can do is tell the truth which Rings Hollow when even CNN had to go on a three minute diet tribe A Litany of all the lies that he told during that Thursday debate not to forget that Joe Biden dropped out of the 1988 presidential race because of dishonesty so the question now is if if Destiny and I are correct and he just is the nominee then how does the New York Times how does political how does Washington Post how does the entire liberal establishment campaign for this guy after admitting not when you and Destiny basically agree that's when you know how bad this situation is right um I just want to bring in Fox News medical contributor Dr Mark seagull quickly uh Dr Mark great to see you uh and the reason I wanted to talk to you is because we've got a clip this is Biden debating before the 2020 election and Biden debating now I want you to watch this and just give an assessment of what we think may be happening here I'm not here to call out his lies everybody knows he's a liar I just gave $28 billion to our farmers tax money it's what taxpayers money you can see he is 6'5 and only 223 PB or 2035 PBS well you said 64 200 well anyway that's you anyway just take a look at what he says he is and take a look at what he is look I'd be happy to have a driving contest with him the re I got my handicap which when I was vice president down to a six I mean I play golf off 16 and I've said this before and I'll say it again I would bet $100,000 to a charity of President Biden's choice that I could give him a shot a hole rather than him giving me 10 shots and I'd still beat it this idea he was ever a six handicapper is ludicrous but Dr Mark there are so many clips that people are comparing to four years ago to eight years ago Joe Biden in debates where he sounds previously whip smart really on it Dynamic and so on eloquent articulate that person no longer exists what is likely to be happening here I'm glad you use the word likely because obviously I haven't examined him but Piers first of all everyone out there needs to know that he's going to be the last to know any neurologist will tell you he's going to be the last to admit it those around him will see him faltering they'll see him having problems with speech searching for words not following a sentence from beginning to end saying ridiculous things uh saying offensive things getting irritated when he's contended with that's a sign of growing cognitive impairment he's going to be the last to admit it and then his wife steps in and starts speaking for him reminiscent of woodro Wilson when when he couldn't rule the country and his wife was taking instruction and running the country that was probably the scariest thing of all I think that there's a lot of risks he has here for dementia one he has an irregular heartbeat and that irregular heartbeat can can lead to silent esea silent Strokes he walks with this gate that looks neurologic to a lot of neurologists that there's a problem with his gate That's goes back to what's going on up here does he have fluid on his brain some neurologists have said he could have an atypical Parkinson's he's got something going on and here's something that none none of your expert panel yet said and they're expert I love this panel you have piis never mind whether he's going to run or not can he be president now he doesn't seem to have cognitive Reserve what happens if we gets a phone call in the middle of the night that famous phone call in the middle of the night there's a nuclear threat going on you want this fumbling idiot to actually address that and and and of course you know Tommy was right the the world leaders are are are watching this but how about how about our own National Security yeah well I I was struck by The Briefing that came out saying you know what he's pretty good between like 9 and 4:00 which is why all the clips of him out there speaking like the next day he was out and sounded pretty different and I was like well that's fine right to the point that he has to apply his finger to the nuclear trigger at 6:00 or 9:00 or midnight I mean if we get the guy who was on that debate stage at the wrong moment I wouldn't trust him to run a bath let alone run a military order that's a great point you know if he's sundowning he can't run the country after 6 p.m. and then the White House is saying he has a cold well excuse me I've had colds and I still can carry a train of thought cold medicine I take date Quil sometimes and I'm I'm fine I can think clearly with muin X I mean whatever they gave him if it impairs him to the point where he can't speak clearly or think clearly he can't run the country m is there a mechanism under if it turned out for example that he genuinely has got uh a deteriorating dementia that is quite aggressive aggressive and this gets medically diagnosed now as a result of this debate is there a mechanism for his removal that you're aware of from the office of President I mean 25th amendment does that cover it yes the 25th Amendment covers it and to your point I want to point out that his last physical that he had in February I I have been asking for years now and Tommy the same thing I've been asking for years now for a full assessment they didn't give it they danced around it no MRI scan was listed a lot of dementias would show up on an MRI and no formal cognitive testing has been done I I think there could be a demand for that right now what is his MRI show if he's impaired then there would be a case for removing him now yeah I completely agree uh Dr M always great to have your contribution thank you very much indeed um destiny you were chuckling there what were you chuckling about I the idea that a republican would demand a full physical assessment from a president when they wouldn't even demand Trump's taxes is hilarious to me um the idea of not being able to answer the call in the middle of the night I mean it's already happened we've had it with Ukraine we've had it with Israel like Donald or not Donald Trump Donald Trump did not show leadership when Iran attacked Saudi Arabia and he stood by and did nothing he didn't show leadership when he abandoned our Kurdish allies in Syria for absolutely no reason uh Biden has shown leadership whether you like it or not whether you like how he's dealt with it or not um he has shown leadership and the ability to bring allies together for Ukraine he has shown leadership and the ability to force Israel to sim multaneously show restraint while still remaining faithful as an ally so I mean like we can make fun of a debate performance all you want but we can compare the legislative records of both presidents and we can compare their actions in office the problem you can but here's the problem with that is it's just not cutting through there's no doubt Biden's had a number of wins as president no doubt at all there's no doubt the comparative to most of the rest of the world the US economy is purring along quite nicely but his approval rating is at 37% and after that debate this issue of his own ability to function physically and mentally is now the only thing anyone's going to talk about for the next five months he was incapable when it really mattered of articulating to the American people what his successes were what his policy wins have been what his attack lines against Trump were going to be and why he should be reelected he could I mean honestly I watched the whole thing at 7 in the morning hang on I watched the whole thing at 7 in the morning in UK until 8:30 I had a lot of coffee I was about as alert as a human being could be I barely understood anything Biden said in the entire 90 minutes and by contrast I've known Trump since 2006 very well I've watched him at Close Quarters when I did Celebrity Apprentice for three hours a night across the boorder room night after night after night until and modesty uh prevent me from going about this too much until I won uh but but at the end of it I had a 100 hours of watching Trump he's pretty much the same guy you may hate him you might hate the trash that comes out of his mouth all those things but in terms of his actual performance Trump on that debate stage of the night if if anything it was the most frustra I'd ever seen him because even he could tell the guy next to him was just melting down so Destiny there's out what a what a black job is beer after watching him did you did you guys figure out what a black job is I'm going to come to you in a moment for your analysis of what we think a black job is but let me just get that's what I think the problem is right the problem is that I I understand what you're saying okay I as somebody who spent the last eight years cutting their teeth doing debate that's what I do is political debate all I've heard every single time is debate doesn't matter it's not that important now all of a sudden that's the most important role it does that bad why are we talk what about the immunity for criminal actions that Donald Trump just secured in front of the Supreme Court American people well again it's an insane thing that what we're talking about is is Biden's debate performance the legal request that Donald Trump is making that's we're focused on a problem I age Destiny right there is the problem is that people are only talking about remember before the debate 2third of all Democrat voters wanted Biden to stand aside because they were worried he was too old what do you think they think now no one's changing their mind on that if anything I'd be amazed if it's not 90% And that's the problem you've got so many things to attack Trump about but nobody wants to hear it when has Trump ever been in the debate with the next day the headlines weren't all about him it's never happened but now the only thing that anyone will look for with Biden in the next five months is him showing further evidence of mental and physical decline we bringing Tommy this is going to be the greatest period to be a Donald Trump in a presidential race ever because he just has to keep allowing his opponent to do stupid things and say dumb stuff and look exhausted and lose his train of thought that's all he has to do right and I'd also like to make the point and I know that the Liberals on this panel are going to have a collective hemorrhoid when I say it but even if former president Donald Trump wasn't standing next to a vegetable last Thursday he still would have performed excellently and he did he got his points across he was able to finesse some of the issues like abortion in a way that I've always been concerned about but I think he did a great job so I also want to point that out but as I've said I don't think they're going to keep with Joe Biden I know that all the Democrats say well they have to because of this and that logistically they have to keep with him you can't keep along with somebody who in the next several months is going to go downhill even more steeply this is not going to be a linear decline it is going to accelerate anybody who's watched an elderly person decline this way knows it's going to get worse and worse and worse and I think there needs to be more of a discussion about just how evil first lady Jill Biden is that she is standing by as her husband is going through this this is truly evil why she's not pulling him aside and saying enough's enough just shows that she is so hungry for power she's willing to embarrass and let her husband embarrass himself that way shame on her yeah Franchesca I got to say I agree with that I think I I've interviewed Dr Biden uh about 10 years ago now and I I've watched him the last couple of days and I'm seeing somebody who seems even more desperate not to give this up than Joe Biden is and surely any spouse in that position forget politics for a moment who sees their other half humiliated on a global stage like that in the way that it went down surely the the Humane thing to do is to persuade that person it's over isn't it sure but also Nancy Reagan apparently was running the show for the last few years of that Administration so you never know Tommy might be right on this look here's the thing I I'm just jealous of Republicans like you guys are just so loyal you know I mean Maga is a cult of peaked in high school conspiracy theorists who want tax breaks and a mass deportation of migrants and they won't abandon Trump no matter what and you just got to admire that kind of loyalty hang on do you know who the biggest uh deporter of migrants was in US presidential history guy not running for president did you know who it was it was Barack Obama yes it was a Democrat yeah 3 million I critic I hate 3 million migrants he sent P he was the deporter in Chief Donald Trump by comparison to Obama wasn't even the races when it came to deport I just wish Democrats had Republican conviction do you know what I'm saying like you know we have a wet noodle as a candidate and and Republicans are like yeah he sexually abused EEG Carol and he tried to overturn an election that he rightfully lost and he's got two impeachments well we love this guy let's effing go and I just wish had that kind of commitment did you love did you like Bill Clinton as a president no not really he I I did not believe in deregulation um and like the you think what did you think of the fact he paid Paula Jones $850,000 to make a sexual harassment case go away or what did you think of him having sex with a young you think of having sex with young theice again look we all running know you want celebr Apprentice we all know that bid that Trump calls you but like how I've had I've had listen I've had quite a frosty time with Trump in the last year and a half I wouldn't overstate our our per our current relationship but you you always talk about how he calls you like I I'm I'm a liberal but no but I'm not a republican I'm not a conservative never had been I ran a leftwing newspaper in Britain for 10 years right I'm I would call myself a Centrist actually I'm a journalist who likes to go after both sides hold both size to account but right now the problem that the Democrats have is no one cares about Trump and this is got a guy with 91 criminal charges against him right but no one's talking about it they're all talking about whether the guy currently in the White House can even know what day it is that's the problem a lot of people would vote for a corpse over Donald Trump that says more about Donald Trump than it does about Joe Biden let's go all right Michael nolles apparently people will vote for a corpse over Donald Trump they will please let them do it let the partisan Democrats do it I'm I'm now all in on on the Democratic rhetoric the the Democratic primary voters have made their decision they want Joe Biden as their nominee it would be an assault on the Integrity of this country and on our sacred democracy if they replace him now I can't wait to see him in all 50 states uh you know at this point obviously uh the man is not up to the job so someone else is running the country whether that's Jill whether it's whether it's I don't know whether it's Barack OB youting Michel this is really interesting to me this panel because if we'd gone back you know three months you'd have all been shouting at each other arguing about Trump doing the two siding to the Democrat side here on the panel you basically you've been neutered by what's happened I can feel that the the luster has gone the enthusiasm to beat up conservatives has just flown out of your bodies there be one argument you've just sat there going we agree he sucks your own guy sucks he's not even he's barely alive you've lost your fight haven't you Biden has removed the fight from Democrats that's what I'm seeing here abely actually I agree with that you agree I totally disagree no if Donald Trump is taking insane again the Supreme Court ruling today is unbelievable the idea that instead on today's show we're going to focus on whether or not Biden had a bad debate performance it's just reflective of the of the I don't want to say agenda in a negative way but of what you want to talk about today on this program like I think that the decisions that are being made right now legislatively in the Supreme Court are more important or or that are being made in the Supreme Court why that's whether or not B has a bad you know why it's happening because Trump was able to put three judges on the court in one term you know why that was because you put up a terrible candidate Hillary Clinton who was incredibly polarizing very arrogant very Superior and she got flatlined by Trump when no one saw it coming on the Democrat side secondly some of your some of your Democrat judges who should have known better decided they weren't going to resign they weren't going to retire and because of that Trump was able to pack that court so I'm afraid you reap what you sow just very bad politics by theat Supreme Court Justices were literally lost by McConnell just robbing a president of the right to seat a judge nobody remembers that Garland was supposed to be on the Supreme Court for almost a full year McConnell said we're not going to have that hearing that is in Tommy has to leave in a moment so Michael come to you then come back to Tommy for a final W from her but Michael Destiny the principle that you're articulating that a president should be able to put a judge on the court in an election year or or rather that you say uh Mitch McConnell violated was a rule first articulated by Joe Biden in the 90s when he was trying to kill George Bush's judges so obviously there was a decision today it said that the president has some immunity for criminal Acts or acts committed uh in His official capacities president and this is based on a 40-year president it really goes all the way back to the Marshall Court really nothing should be surprising about this and yes Democrats just let me finish one second Destiny they're they're ining because they say we should be talking about the immunity case well part of the articulation I just was reading the decision uh was that look this is the first time that you've got a president who's being prosecuted in this way and that's the problem because the vast majority of Americans right left and Center have been saying in survey after survey that they view the prosecutions of trump as primarily politically motivated they view this as kind of corrupt and that's one of the reason why Biden's poll numbers have have been so bad for so long and so they throw this Hail Mary to do a debate in June before either party has settled on a nominee and it completely blew up in their face and so no wonder people want to talk about it you've got a political order that is fraying you got a guy trying to put his opponent into an orange jumpsuit and it turns out the guy who's trying to do that it has has applesauce for brains no wonder you know the American people a bit like the British I think would be the same in this position they can smell a political hit job and the fact that the first case that was used against Trump to try and convict him and put him in prison involved a payoff to a porn star 20 years ago for a supposed one night stand or whether it happened or not that just smelt to them like a massive overreach whether he did it or not they didn't care and so the idea that the first American president in history to ever be convicted of a crime in a in a criminal court is convicted over something so pathetic and trivial the American people the right the right-minded reasonable people who were not in the kind of mad tribal ends of their parties all went well that's ridiculous and actually demeaning to the country uh Tommy I know you got to go so final thoughts from you before we let you go and then we'll carry on with the uh with Franchesca as the rose between two Thorns afterwards but Tommy your your summary of of where we are with this what do you think is going to happen give me give me a road map to the election day listen I think they got to replace Joe I don't know if it happens at the convention I don't know if it happens after the convention if they use that mechanism and the DNC has to get together and pull some strings I would remind folks that don't think it can be done let's remember that the Democrats were able to overhaul our election system due to covid in 2020 in a matter of months and nationalized mass mail and voting so I never underestimate a Democrat though I will say say in sitting with this panel today it's easy to see how sad the Democrats are the Liberals are it's easy to to watch them crumble because their candidate quite literally is crumbling before our very eyes it's a great day to be a republican it's not a great day to be a liberal but I hope you guys stick with Joe and best of luck to you Tommy lren always great to have you on on sensor thank you very much indeed I appreciate it um Destin I could see you thoroughly agreeing with everything Tommy was saying there it's just I um Fran Franchesca I think is name I agree with her the thing that Democrats suck on that we're missing is this blind allegiance to a leader literally no matter what he does it is the it is the engine that powers uh Republicans it allows them to lie for their leader it allows them to Excuse excuse horrendous actions by the leader um it allows them to look at a president and for after Decades of saying oh we need to limit the power of government oh we need to Li the say well maybe the President should actually be above most criminal prosecution also is a quick thing you keep saying that no it's just immunity for official acts what is an official Act of the president if you actually listen to the oral arguments that were presented before The Supreme Court what that act even is and the ability to even probe for it is stuff right now that is now presumed to be immune for inance real quick just real quick thing when when uh when Donald Trump is asking Pence hey can you throw out the election because I don't like the results which is a real thing that happened by the way as much was like to say that's not true that is counted as an official action because these are the roles of the president and vice president deciding how to count the electoral votes that is insan to me if Biden were to do anything remotely similar Republicans would lose their minds have you have you read the decision I know it just came out this morning but have have you gone through the decision yet uh I read up to page 25 and in part of it they they exp I can read it out to you he explicitly calls out that whenever the the President and Vice President discuss their official responsibilities they engage in official conduct meaning that presiding over the January 6 certification proceeding at which members yes so that did count as official conduct so if you thought that he was trying to do a coup try to steal the election by saying hey uh do you think you can throw those votes out well that's beyond prosecution you you can dispute or or you know uh object to any actions that Trump takes but what it is simply the case that when a president is carrying out his duties and is speaking to his subordinates in the white house that is obviously official business if he were to bring in a bunch of I don't know drug drug dealers and hookers or something that would probably be an unofficial crime not related to his duties as president and the reason that this matters and why it's really a moderate decision ision is because it goes back about 40 years to a Nixon versus Fitzgerald which found out that the president yes indeed has quite a lot of uh immunity from from uh at least from civil liability and and then the reason that this is such a novel bombshell case is because until Joe Biden tried to throw his rival into the clink we didn't prosecute presidents because that's the kind of behavior typical of banana republics and tinpot dictatorships but but the argument and I'm sure you've read this even if you've just read the first 25 Pages goes all the way back to the Marshal Court it goes all the way back to the finding that the the presidency does have certain privileges it's not totally beholden to the other two branches of government it's got executive privilege we have a separation of powers here goes back to the Federalist Papers when the framers of the Constitution said that they need a vigorous presidency because the problem with the first American Republic which was the Articles of Confederation was that you didn't have any strong executive power so this is not something new this this is a a perfect perfectly in keeping with the American legal tradition and now the Democrats are really upset about it not because it's an upending of American Juris Prudence but because they're going to actually have to run on their guy they're not going to be able to cheat and throw the guy in jail or take him out of the banish him to St Helena they're going to have to have a fair and square election and they know they're going to lose it can I just ask question I just want to hear just a quick question so you're saying that if a president were to order the assassination of a presidential um opponent in an election you're telling me that if he thinks it's for national security reasons you defend that as being above any kind of review for criminal prosecution you would say well that was an official act President right answer obviously I can answer you if you don't interrupt you're you're bringing up one of the important questions that was raised during the oral arguments and it's a it's an argument against the case that Trump's team was making but it but it doesn't really pertain to the actual judgment that came down because they didn't say that the president gets to do whatever he wants he doesn't get to go and assassinate his Rivals he doesn't get to do this that or the other thing but he does have she said he could do that in it' be Beyond review said she put that in her descent I did read her descenting opinion so how how would it be not part of the official job as president they order drone strikes don't they they order the military don't they he's the commander chief isn't he why wouldn't he be able to order the strike and say you can impeach me if you want but you can't hold me criminally liable this is my official act as president sure well I mean even the the aspect of impeachment is kind of secondary to uh to to that because the Trump team was arguing that if you want to go after a president at all you've got to do it through impeachment and the court said no you can actually prosecute former president for crimes that they committed in office so the fever dream that you and other Democrats are creating of what this decision implies is not actually what the court said the court gave a very moderate opinion that said that certain aspects that are conclusive and preclusive within the scope of the executive branch uh you know he has full immunity then he's got partial immunity around the peripheries and then he could be criminally liable outside of that and if you're asking why you know president Trump standing on Fifth Avenue and shooting his rival in the face uh how how we could possibly prosecute him for that I I think you just don't have any faith in the American legal tradition and I think you're you're making an absurd argument to to to try to justify something that actually does upend over 200 years of America the electoral vote to be thrown let me let me bring Franchesca in she'd been waiting patiently here as the two guys have been juking it out I I wanted to leave earlier but no uh I just think it's I think it's funny though that Michael brings up the the Fifth Avenue shooting someone in the face because the quote is that people would still vote for me I mean and this is kind of the sickness of the far right in this country again is that Trump does fancy himself Above the Law and this incredible um dishonest conversation about this immunity ruling is just wild to me like the whole reason that the Supreme Court picked it up is because you've got three Trump appointed justices who are all bought and sold by billionaires in this country who have all been uh handpicked by the likes of Leonard Leo and uh judici watch all right and these farri billionaires that know exactly what they're doing the Federalist Society knows exactly who they've been grooming to be appointed to the highest uh uh bench in the land and here they're delivering on it they didn't have to take up this case but it was actually Trump's lawyer's defense against why he shouldn't be prosecuted over both documents cases as well as January 6 inciting a riot it's just incredible to me you guys all think that oh Biden's criminal mastermind he's trying to lock up his opponents peers Michael he did it to himself I'm sorry he did he didn't have to pay off the porn star by cooking his books by falsifying business records thank you you're welcome you know what happen himself Franchesca the problem is from the moment he got convicted of that crime what happened he raised $150 million in one week from billionaires but not from Everyday People ordinary people aren't giving to Donald not met any honestly I've not met any American since that conviction who doesn't just feel a b embarrassed ever happened it was embarrassing for America I'd also like to correct the record if you don't mind Pi because Franchesca said that I accused Joe Biden of being a mastermind I have never once in my life accused Joe Biden of being a mastermind or even possessing one do you know what there's a clip on I've said this before but there's a clip on uh YouTube of him talking to a senate Congressional hearing about a parti of South Africa he must be in his early 40s Biden he is fantastic he's he's intelligent he's articulate he's eloquent he's brilliant that guy would be a fantastic president that guy has long ago left the building and it's actually on a human level it's very sad but at the same time he is the president of the United States and he wants to run another four years I mean Destiny you know with all the best will in the world he'll be lucky to make it to election day never mind four more years can you imagine what Biden will be like in four years listen if they wield that dude out and he's got an IV drip in him I'm still voting for him over Donald Trump I'm sorry i' rather much as I don't yeah absolutely what do you mean it's it's it's the idea of not accomplishing anything versus whatever Direction Donald Trump if they literally wheel him out you would still vote for it kamla har Jill could walk out on stage with an N saying this is the president okay Joe Biden okay here he is and I say yeah this is really annoying bid said he wanted to be Joe Biden said he wanted to be FDR so you know die in office I guess Destiny you would vote for Joe Biden's n with his ashes inside rather than Donald Trump absolutely easiest decision in my life 100% poor poor Kam Poes would you do that K's just like are you kidding me Franchesca would you I vote for an NN no the the Dem the Democratic party is doing their own base a massive disservice by keeping Joe Biden in this race they absolutely are they're not even creating a new lineup a new roster of Democrats to come into the Wake um they can't even rely on their own vice president they haven't given her enough leash to actually say anything other than her one catchphrase that like makes my mind just boggled it's really pathetic and it's pathetic because actually the Administration has done some good things infrastructure PL infrastructure bill that Jo the things that Donald Trump keeps on I don't disagree I think there's on legislature there's a lot of good stuff to talk about he just can't talk about it because he's not able to articulate what he's done let me ask you did you see the handshake though the three-point handshake yeah tight Franchesca if you were able if you had the power to parachute anybody in from the Democrat side to replace Biden who would it be it's difficult it's difficult to say um you got to think of someone who's got name recognition and who could also win give me a name oh oh my cat her name is Ramona no uh you know I I gotta say I think it I think I'm going with Nome because of name recognition the ability to sort of go after someone like Ronda santis but you know what if we can switch octogenarians let's go Bernie Bernie one more time without the Democratic partying listen you know what he would do an immeasurably better job of taking on Trump as I think Newsome would I watched Newsome on Shan hany for an hour on Fox News a i i commended him for going into the lion's den and B he critted himself extremely well I wouldn't underestimate new him at all and in relation to any scandals to make him out he's been pretty well turned over for all of those while he's been Governor so one of the advantages of being a governor for an extended period of time is a lot of the Scandal stuff all gets dealt with um final word for you Michael I mean Michael where are we where are we heading with this do you think talk me through to election day what do you actually think is going to happen even if what you'd like to see happens you know Franchesca even if it's Nome or somebody you still have to contend with the fact that the Democrats would then be skipping over the first black woman vice president with the whitest guy who has ever walked the face of the Earth in the case of gav hang on yeah but hang on there's actually a little twist in that which Bill Mah uh got on to which is if n is the guy he can't have carer as his vice president because they're both from California so it would only apply if she actually wanted to run for president but if he was to become the nominee he wouldn't have to have carela Harris because he wouldn't be allowed to because they're both from California which is an interesting part of this equation so they could put him in I mean they would look they would be overlooking her for the top job but he wouldn't have to worry about getting rid of her from the vice presidency because he wouldn't be allowed to have her so that's an it's an interesting little part of the subtext here sure sure you know I I still think the look is pretty bad though if she wants the top job she ran for it the first time right and you know she also launched her campaign in back in 2020 we now forget on Joe Biden's alleged racism and on the issue of busing so she's you know there's no love lost here between Biden and Kamala I don't think he wants to pass it to her I don't think Biden cares all that much for anyone else in the Democratic party and I think he's wanted to be president since he was in the womb so if you know in terms of how do we get to November the only way that Joe Biden leaves the ticket is if he chooses to or if one of his caretakers choose to and so to to Destiny's point I actually kind of understand why you would say I'll vote for an N over Donald Trump because what what you're saying is the president doesn't really matter it's run by a committee and the the administrative State and it'll just keep kind of chugging along and that'll be fine the problem though with that argument for voters is that everything has gone to Hell in a hand basket since Biden got elected so you know you were mentioning earlier Ukraine or Israel or this or that all I can remember and and Trump made a good point of this during the debate is for the last 20 years the only President on whose watch Vladimir Putin hasn't invaded more land is Trump he did it under Bush he did it under Obama he's done it under Biden he didn't do it under Trump during Trump we had peace in the Middle East believe it or not we had the Abraham Accords and Israel and Saudi Arabia becoming buddies there's a town in Israel named after Donald Trump I I wouldn't have guessed it either but it but it happened and now of course we have this major outbreak of War you don't need to take my word for it Vladimir zalinsky the president of Ukraine said that the reason that the Russians invaded is because of American weakness specifically Biden's and the fact that actually invited them and said if it was a minor incursion he wouldn't do anything so you might dispute all these things and say I'm missing the point or something but the voters clearly agree with me on this this is why Biden's so low in the polls and why the majority of them don't think he should run again okay I'm actually G to give the final final word to you Destiny because you were reeling in horror through some of that uh from Mike I'm not quite sure why because it made a lot of sense to me but go I might reel in horror from what Destiny says and then we'll just never end this P we're going to end it definitely with Destiny you've got a minute to summarize your horror here us politics is anything today it is everybody endlessly recoiling in horror so you know it would be an appropriate end um just I mean there was somebody that destroyed Donald Trump in debates I watch it happen over and over and over again it was Hillary Clinton it wasn't even close Donald Trump knows nothing about domestic or foreign policy compared to her and guess what none of those debates matter whatsoever um just on the final point it's easy to think that uh something is good because you look at only the surface level of things you go oh well there were no new war so it must have been great people say peace in the Middle East and forget that Iran attacked Saudi Arabia proper for the first time in all of History Donald Trump did nothing the entire great March of return the B riots R raged on yeah that's great uh the that's not piece of the Middle East the entire border rights raged on 2018 2019 in in Palestine and in Israel Donald Trump did absolutely nothing the idea that there was peace in the Middle East here when the region was about to boil over and it finally did on October 7th is just laughable it shows like a total misunderstanding of anything that's happened in the Middle East what was the peace is it the ongoing Civil War in Yemen was it the ongoing civil war in Syria was it the ongoing d in Iraq was it the ongoing protest in the Gaza like it's just it's a joke to me but on that on that point of full agreement between all three of you I'm going to leave it but uh thank you to all of you it's been a great panel thank you very much your head your head shake is noted Franchesca thank you thank you all very much that was great