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Debate on Trinity in Christianity and Islam

any Christian who spends more than 5 Seconds talking to Muslims online will be asked how can you believe that one + 1 + 1 equals 1 Muslims are so incredibly proud of this objection that they post it over and over and over again 1 + 1 + 1 equal 1 right 1 + 1 + 1 equal 1 Christians answer Christianity God is one 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 Islam 1 equal 1 y'all should take a hit at the Islamic Bel of one God if you do I know it would just be a bunch of Lies saying no one is not equal to 1 Christian in school taking a test 1 + 1 + 1 equal 3 Pass Christian in church for 2,000 years before God 1 + 1 + 1 equal 1 fail double standard but you believe 1 + 1 + 1 equal 1 speak now don't post a comment then make it funny you lying when you say 1 + 1 + 1 equal 1 that means either you're lying or you're illiterate which one is it 1 + 1 + 1 equal 1 in Trinity I think you say 1 + 1 + 1 equal 1 that's the problem Islam is very simple one Allah and many prophets Christian 1 + 1 + 1al 1 mathematical mockery 1 + 1 + 1al 1 is by far the most common Muslim objection to the doctrine of the Trinity now when Muslims post this objection Christians often respond with some basic mathematics they point out that 1 * 1 * 1 equals 1 or if the Muslim demands that we use addition when we're talking about God Christians will point out that the god of the Bible unlike the god of the Quran is infinite so it would be more accurate to say infinity plus infinity plus infinity equals infinity I'd like to help our Muslim friends with their math skills by stressing something even more basic when we learn math in school we learn to use numbers in an abstract manner 2 + 2 = 4 2 + 2 what well it doesn't matter we're using the numbers by themselves without referring to specific objects but if you're adding up things in the real world you need to include units inches pounds jelly beans whatever and the units need to be the same on both sides of the equal sign if you're adding up blocks then two blocks plus two blocks equal four blocks if you take a th blocks and use them to build one house you wouldn't say that 1 + 1 + 1 all the way up to a th equals 1 even though the Thousand blocks do make one house if you made one house out of a thousand blocks and someone said LOL this guy thinks that a th000 equals 1 you'd probably want to explain how units work in math if the units you're adding are blocks you can't change the units to house in the answer and then take out all the units and pretend that a th000 equals 1 if you do you'll end up with a mathematical absurdity consider a few simple examples of what happens when you don't clarify which units you're using how old was Aisha when Muhammad consummated the marriage with her she was 9 years old but wait a minute how could Aisha be nine if there was only one of her are Muslims telling us that 9 equal 1 are they telling us that 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 equals 1 is this how math Works in Islam this would be a silly objection wouldn't it why because when we talk about one Aisha we're talking about one being one little girl but when we're talking about her age nine we're talking about something completely different if you conveniently leave out the fact that we're talking about very different features of Aisha her nature versus her age you end up with mathematical absurdities here here's another proof that according to Islam 9 equals 1 sah bukari 5068 narrated onus the prophet used to go around have sexual relations with all his wives in one night and he had nine wives so each of Muhammad's nine wives could say that she had sex with Muhammad during one of these sexathon and yet sex with nine different wives somehow added up to one night of sex for the prophet of Islam so according to Islam 1 + 1+ 1 + 1+ 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 equals 1 but it gets worse sahil bukari 268 narrated katata anas bin Malik said the prophet used to visit all his wives and around during the day and night and they were 11 in number 11 in number I thought thought it was N9 so now 11 equal 9 and 9 equals 1 I'm confused I asked onest had the prophet the strength for it meaning did Muhammad have the sexual strength to handle 11 women and girls in a single night anest replied we used to say that the prophet was given the strength of 30 men and sah said on the authority of katada that anas had told him about nine wives only not 11 so Muhammad had the sexual strength of 30 men this means that we can add up the sexual strength of one man and the sexual strength of another man and the sexual strength of another man until we get the sexual strength of 30 men and it will equal the sexual strength of one Prophet Muhammad so 1+ 1+ 1+ 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 equals one in Islam right now these are just some goofy examples to illustrate the utter Ridiculousness of claiming that when someone says that something is one in one way but more than one in another way he's actually saying that 3 or 9 or 11 or 30 equals 1 mathematically here Fe our Muslim friends May reply but David we're not talking about Aisha we're not talking about Muhammad's sex life we're talking about God funny I thought we were talking about math but I hear you let's talk about your God according to Islam Allah has literal body parts lots of Muslims don't know this but their Scholars do their Scholars will admit that Allah has a literal Shin a face a foot or two feet depending on whom you ask two right hands and so on so Allah described in the Quran that he has a face Allah mentioned that we made Adam by our hands Allah described in the Quran that he has two hands the Hadith says very clearly that both his hands are right we believe that both of the hands of Allah are what huh both of them are right how I don't know the here refers to Allah's Shin so he has a leg number 68y number 42 the shin of Allah is mentioned Allah says inah Al that on the day of judgment Allah would uplift and show his leg if you read the fingers of Allah are mentioned the prophet tells us that the prophet has that Allah has fingers the Quran says that Allah has one eye and another Ayah says he has multiple eyes Allah tells us about himself subhanahu wa'ta'ala that he has an eye so all these are a direct indication that Allah has got a shape they'll just qualify this by saying that we can't comprehend Allah's Shin face foot or feet right hands and so on because nothing is like Allah so how many incomprehensible but literal body parts does Allah have let's say it's 10 you see where I'm going with this don't you Allah is one in one way but more than one in another way he's one on the level of being but more than one on the level of body parts following the method that Muslims use then we would say that Allah's body parts add up to one Allah which means that if Allah has 10 body parts 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 is equals one but Allah gets even more confusing because Allah is more than one not just in body parts but in other kinds of attributes Allah has 99 names so he's one in nature but 99 in name which means that 99 equals 1 in Islam Allah's 99 Names correspond to 99 attributes and Allah's attributes can be in conflict with one another as we read in Sun IB maah 4295 it was narrated from Abu hura that the messenger of Allah said when Allah created the universe he decreed for himself my Mercy prevails over my wrath Allah's attribute of Mercy is in conflict with his attribute of Wrath but his Mercy triumphs over his wrath this means that Allah's Mercy is not the same thing as his Wrath there are distinctions within the nature of Allah so Allah is one in one way essence or being or nature but he's more than one in another way he's more than one in attribute but when Christians say that God is one in one way essence or being or nature but more than one in another way more than one in person our Muslim friends tell us that we're bad at math well if we're bad at math then Muhammad was really really bad at math now we talked about Allah what about the Quran how many suras are there in the Quran that depends on which Quran we go to Muhammad's companion Abdullah IB masud only had 111 suras in his Quran Muhammad's companion ubai bin KB had 116 suras in his Quran the Quran that Muslims use today is descended from the one that was put together by by Zade IB Tabit and the Zade IB Tabit Edition had 114 suras but there's only one Quran right so 111 = 114 equal 116 in Islam that's weird but let's just stick with the Zade IB Tabit Edition there are 114 suras in zad's Quran 114 suras one Quran so 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1+ 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1+ 1+ 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1+ 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1+ 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1+ 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 equals 1 according to Islam things get more interesting when we think about the nature of those suras what is a Surah of the Quran what is Surah 2 for instance what is its nature you Muslims will say that its nature is the Quran or that it's the speech of Allah so different suras of the Quran share that same nature don't they they all share the same nature as the Eternal speech of Allah don't they okay let's think about this is Surah 1 identical to Surah 2 is Surah 2 identical to Surah 3 Surah 1 is distinct from Surah 2 isn't it Surah 2 is distinct from Surah 3 isn't it and yet their nature what they are is the same because they're all the Quran or the speech of Allah so Surah one is the Quran Surah 2 is the Quran Surah 3 is the Quran but Surah 1 is not Surah 2 Surah 2 is not Surah 3 Surah 3 is not Sur one you Christians who are watching May recognize this as an illustration of the concept of the Trinity the father is God the son is God the holy spirit is God but the father is not the son the son is not the Holy Spirit the holy spirit is not the father our Muslim friends tell us that this is impossible and and yet we can use the same illustration for the Quran the only difference is that if we wanted to be accurate we'd need a figure with 114 sides and there's no way I'm drawing that way too complicated now if each of the 114 suras is the Quran are there 114 qurans I thought there was only one kurran it seems that Muslims believe that the Quran is one in essence or nature but 114 in Surah or chapter the Quran is one in one way but more than one in another way but with all the Muslim mockery of the Trinity I thought it was impossible to be one in one way but more than one in another way what about the seven aru according to Muhammad the Quran was revealed in seven aru seven different modes or forms Muslims today claim that this simply refers to different dialects but there's no way this is just different dialects because people who spoke the same dialect were reciting different aru what are the different aru sad story no one knows but whatever the seven different modes or forms are there's only one Quran right so the Quran is one in essence or being or nature but seven in mode or form what about the 10 official Kat the 10 different recitations or readings of the Quran the different kirat contain different Arabic letters and different Arabic words and this led to differences in the text of the Quran in different parts of the world and today most Muslims read the Quran in a text that is referred to as the Egyptian Edition uh of 1924 to Muslims in general this is just simply the Quran uh but this is not the only text of the Quran that is read throughout the world in other words if you were to compare two printed qurans you going to see differences between them and when we say the various different ways to recite the Quran we are not talking about different voices or different styles we're talking about slight differences in pronunciations slight differences in letters slight differences inat in North Africa there is a slightly different text uh that is uh based on a slightly different reading and then too in some parts of Africa uh there is another reading of the Quran and a matching manuscript that is prevalent they recite the Quran in a slightly different way not just a voice or not just a a a a speaking style but also changes in letters and and and words andat sometimes the different words give the verses different meanings sometimes the different words lead to contradictory meanings gets even worse because there are multiple versions of the different kirat and yet there's only one Quran right so the 10 different kirat with different Arabic letters and different Arabic words and different meanings are somehow only one Quran aren't they this means that according to Islam 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 equals 1 and each of these readings really is the Quran isn't it let's consider three different versions The HS version is the Quran the wassh version is the Quran the aldori version is the Quran but the HS version isn't the wassh version the wassh version isn't the alori version the alori version isn't the havs version and yet there's only one Quran so the Quran is one in essence seven in aru 10 in kirat and 114 in Surah hence according to Islam 1 = 7 = 10 equals 114 here our Muslim friends might object but David we're only raising this objection because you say that there are three persons in the Trinity it's impossible for three persons to be one in essence or nature is it now let's see if your Prophet agrees with you in sah Muslim 1874 Muhammad tells his followers recite the Quran for it will come on the day of Resurrection interceding for its companions recite the two bright ones Surah Al bakar and Surah al- Imran for they will come on the day of Resurrection as if they were two clouds or as if they were two Shadows or as if they were two flocks of birds in ranks pleading on behalf of their companions notice it will come the Quran will come interceding for its companions but individual suras will also come as flocks of birds pleading on behalf of Muslims so the Quran as a whole inter EDS but individual soras also intercede they speak they intercede they plead other suras of the Quran will intercede as well in sun Abu da 1400 Muhammad says that another Surah of the Quran Surah 67 will intercede on behalf of its companion until he is Forgiven since Muhammad tells us that multiple suras of the Quran act as personal agents I think it's safe to conclude that all of the suras of the Quran act as personal agents unless our Muslim friends want to convince us that some suras are personal agents While others aren't which would suggest that different suras actually have different Natures but notice if all of the suras of the Quran act as personal agents speaking and interceding and pleading then there are 114 personal agents within the Quran and yet the Quran also acts as a single personal agent Sun IB Maja 3781 the Quran will come on the day of Resurrection like a Pale Man and will say I am the one that kept you awake at night and made you thirsty during the day according to Muhammad there are4 personal agents in the Quran they speak they intercede they plead but the Quran appears as a single Pale Man a single personal agent 114 persons in a single pale man that's got to be a record so here again 114 equals 1 in Islam try to get your mind around this Allah's speech is eternal that Eternal speech is also personal it appears as a man speaking and interceding but within the one nature of that Eternal personal speech there are 114 personal agents that speak and intercede and plead now let me ask all my Muslim friends out there what was your objection to the mathematics of the Trinity why do you keep saying that the Trinity is irrational and absurd what was your objection to the claim of Jesus and the apostles and the prophet that God is one in one way but more than one in another way if you insist as you keep doing that the doctrine of the Trinity must be rejected because it leads to mathematical absurdities well then we have no choice but to reject your God your prophet and your book for producing so many mathematical absurdities tell me why is it that the absolute dumbest objections to Christianity 1+ 1+ 1 equals 1 in Trinity become the most popular Muslim objections to Christianity do you really want to know my Muslim friends it's because you serve the single most obvious false prophet in history and that sth Century Arabian Caravan robber you call your Prophet contradicts the teachings of the most indisputably reliable and trustworthy and miraculous person in history Jesus Christ your Scholars and apologists don't want you thinking about the unmistakable differences between Jesus and Muhammad so they fill your heads with laughably stupid objections to Christianity along with lies about your profit to keep you distracted your creator the creator of the universe revealed something about his eternal nature he revealed it through Jesus Christ the apostles and the true prophets and you mock what he revealed because you'd rather believe the most obvious false prophet in history and the scholars and dagand who constantly lie to you to keep you in a state of ignorance if you still don't believe me when I tell you that your Scholars and daag gists are trying to keep you in a state of ignorance just ask yourself why is it that most of the information David just shared with me in this video is information that I will only hear from David and maybe from some other Christians or a few atheists but never from Muslim Scholars and apologists even though it comes from Islam's most trusted sources if your Scholars and apologists are hiding this from you what else are they hiding [Music]