gloves you that's a little microphone tonight on the fifth the state an unprecedented moment in Canadian crime and Justice as it took place and is seen by people who know what happens in the mind of a killer oh no all right well again Russell I appreciate coming in an investigation like this I mean I'm sure you can appreciate it's been big news uh especially down Belleville way it started with the police interrogators version of small talk we're fast forwarding things that we might normally take our time with um and that's why we're here on a Sunday afternoon so again I appreciate it and I'm quite sure at that point it's in everybody's mind he's not walking out that door a free man that night for a while there was denial okay have you ever visited uh uh Marie France Como at her residence no okay all right um so you're quite positive there would be no reason why your DNA would be any of those three locations now what he's doing is trying to figure out an explanation to give this guy because he knows man I am screwed I am so screwed it would come down to the two men in the room the commanding officer and the detective your vehicle drove up the side of Jessica Lloyd's house your boots walked to the back of Jessica Lloyd's house on the evening of the 28th and 29th of January you want discretion we need to have some honesty okay because this is this is getting under control really fast Russell okay really really fast he was taught to be a commander he was taught to be a leader he was taught to segment take the emotion away put it there but Colonel Russell Williams was about to learn that he was no longer the one in charge Russell you know there's only one option what do you what do you what other option is there well the option well I don't think you want the cold blooded psychopath option he's looking at him he knows he's just dropped the first bomb this is the beginning of the end on this special commercial free edition of The Fifth Estate inside the interrogation room there's a huge search still underway and it'll continue it'll continue until her body's found that might even happened tonight for all I know we got you now Pony up buddy now's time to man up on this thing quit acting like a little girl and tell me what happened what are we going to do call me R please okay we going do rest [Music] good evening I'm Bob mccuan Welcome to The Fifth Estate the picture is not highdef the camera angles are a bit off the leading man sometimes wanders off screen but what takes place in the interrogation and confession is more gripping and real than anything ever seen on CSI or Law and Order when he walks into that room Colonel Russell Williams is commanding officer of CFB Trenton Canada's largest most important Air Base a top pilot who prides himself on disciplined and self- control 10 hours later he's a confessed murderer and sexual predator how he goes from one to the other is a fascinating view of police tactics the power of persuasion and sheer evil we haven't seen anything like it and we think you likely haven't either the interrogation would take place here at police headquarters in Ottawa it was Sunday February 7th 2010 Russell Williams was spending the weekend at the new home in ottawa's West End that he and his wife had recently moved into in the early afternoon he got a phone call asking him to the police building to answer a few questions he reportedly said he'd be back for dinner we don't know what went through his mind as he drove downtown but there certainly was a lot for him to think about it had been 10 days earlier January 28th that a 27-year-old woman named Jessica Lloyd returned from an evening out to her house on Highway 37 a 20-minute drive from Russell Williams Cottage in tweet Ontario she sent a final text message to a friend before calling it a night according to her brother Andy it was said night night I believe it was it was just kind of saying that was it and assumed she was on her way to bed because it was 10:30 and she had to work at you know 8:00 in the morning and yeah so that was the last anybody heard from her was that text message a few hours later about 3:00 a.m. two local men drove along that same stretch of highway 37 they noticed an SUV parked in a field next to an isolated house they kept driving it would be a while before they understood exactly what they'd seen [Music] later that day Andy Lloyd got a phone call from his mother his sister Jessica had never arrived at work and he went right to her house that's what was so weird is because everything was there you know which why we couldn't figure out what had happened because all of her identification and I mean her cell phone and her purse and things people don't leave home without were there the whole town was looking for Jessica family friends members of the public police forces even search and rescue from CFB Trenton word spread across Ontario and that's when the man who'd seen the SUV noticed emergency vehicles around a house on Highway 37 it was Jessica Lloyd's house the same one that was next to the field where the SUV had been parked that's when the men went to the police officers found tire tracks in the field and bootprints near the house the Ontario Provincial Police set up roadblocks checking the tires of cars on Highway 37 looking for a match on Thursday February 4th one of those they stopped was Colonel Russell Williams driving his SUV they checked his tires then let him go unbeknownst to Williams he was under police surveillance from then on at the same time as the opp was investigating The Disappearance of Jessica Lloyd they had three other unsolved cases in the same vicinity a murder and two sexual assaults all had possible links to Colonel Williams the assaults took place in his Tweed neighborhood the murder victim was Marie France KOMO a Corporal at CFB Trenton in fact a military flight attendant who'd once flown with him but it's likely that investigators never put it all together until they stopped Williams at that roadblock and matched his SUV's tires to the track found in the field it is just before 300 p.m. on Sunday February 7th when Russell Williams arrives at Ottawa Police Headquarters inside he's ushered into an interrogation room the opp has borrowed for the day it's sparsely furnished two chairs a desk nothing mounted on the walls but two digital cameras one pointed at the investigator detective Sergeant Jim Smith the other at Colonel Williams I assume you're going to be veteran us homicide interrogator Paul celino knows how it all works everything is controlled from the minute you bring him in that room okay the way where you're sitting where he's sitting you never want to put a desk between you and anybody okay never you never interview from across a desk you always want to get close you start out kind of far but as the interrogation goes on you move in closer because you want that physical you want that intimate touch with somebody I'm just going to move your gloves here that's a little mic just to make sure there's nice and clear um as you can see here everything in this room is video taped and audio taped check uh you're been interviewed by the police in a in a room like this before I have never been interviewed like this oh no okay no get this set up [Music] here gu the closest uh interview by NIS for top secret clearance oh yeah all right well again Russell I appreci but even mention of his top secret clearance have no effect today before it's over this interview will be the most important conversation Russell Williams will ever [Music] have it is about 300 p.m. on February 7th when Colonel Russell Williams enters the police interview room in Ottawa you're been interviewed by the police in a in a room like this before I have never been interviewed like this oh no okay whatever he's told himself about why he's here today he appears relaxed about the invitation to answer questions he clearly knows it's about The Disappearance of Jessica lyd you know obviously our approach to cases like this is that uh uh we don't give up on somebody being alive until we get evidence that they're not so um because of that we're treating uh Jessica's case as an emergent situation obviously the interviewer is detective Sergeant Jim Smith of the Ontario Provincial Police he's been preparing for this moment for days Sunday afternoon I have a simple rule when I talk to people it's I'm sure you're the same way I treat everybody with respect I I ask they do the same for me um so what we're going to do is we're going to start off by uh going through um what your rights are okay just like everybody else okay Mark Mendelson is a former Toronto homicide detective and the man who interrogated Carla hula the investigator comes from the behavioral sciences unit of the op he's a trained polygraph uh technician so he's obviously an excellent interviewer to begin with but they sat down with their body of evidence and with the psychiatrist from the behavioral sciences unit sort of developing a profile of what Williams is and what he's most likely to do when certain questions are put to him so that if he answers a they follow this path if he answers B he'll follow this path so there's no surprises they it was all laid out long before he walked in that room for you do so Smith Reminds Williams he's not under arrest and is free to go at any time there's anything that comes up in our interview today Russell that uh that you feel you want to talk to a lawyer about um you just uh you just let me know okay now he could have called him Colonel Williams he could have called him sir and you and you'll notice during the course of the interview he never calls him Colonel because what that does and I would have done and I think any other homicide would have done the same thing is it it it puts him on a on a different level on a different Plateau he's got to be Russell from Tweed he's got to be the guy that lives in Tweed and you don't give him that respect and don't give him that power of being called Colonel Williams jokes that the only kind of lawyer he needs is for Real Estate transactions do you have your own lawyer I have a realy lawyer but I don't have a lawyer once Smith has Williams in the right mindset the conversation returns to Jessica Lloyd I want to explain to you exactly what's going on here okay Jessica uh Lloyd is um is one of four cases that we're currently investigating okay but Williams must know the questions will also touch on other recent crimes around his Lakefront Cottage on Cozy Cove Lane in Tweed Ontario because he knows what the police don't that beginning in 2007 when he was at the cottage usually alone a multitude of crimes would follow dozens of bizarre break-ins women's lingerie and underwear stolen almost all in his neighborhood and on his streets including two sexual assaults these first two attacks happened uh not that far from my place in two well the second one did yeah we didn't even know the first one had happened but uh I understand that was reasonably close as well but the second one was uh was very close notice he used the pronoun we referring to his marriage and he reminds Smith he's cooperated with police so certainly at the time youp did a uh my door to door yeah and uh with a couple of days probably the same night so I spoke with a couple guys then okay um yeah and I'm I'm aware of that you know you've kind of almost hit the nail on the head about some of our issues that kind of uh make us want to talk to to Russell Williams okay um because essentially uh there's a a a connection um between you and uh and all four of those cases would you agree it's your gra and I guess I drive past yes I would have to say there's a a connection here it seems unlikely that Russell Williams knew much if anything about the softspoken man sitting opposite him detective Sergeant Jim Smith is a veteran in the OPP's Behavioral Sciences unit which applies such techniques as criminal profiling and forensic psychiatry to Crime investigation it was Smith acting on a hunch who found the body of the missing 8-year-old Tory Stafford in Woodstock Ontario a year ago there are few better at interrogation as Colonel Williams was about to find out having set the scene with broad Strokes Smith now gets to specifics like where Williams was the day Jessica Lloyd never made it to work Friday on the day I was at home most of the time most of the day I had a start of a stomach flu okay in Ottawa or a tweet tweet in tweet okay yeah discussion turns to Corporal Marie frano found murdered in her home 3 months before can't remember what what day of the week we're talking about it but uh obviously one of your people gets killed it gets your attentions absolutely I'm very much that coming in and how did you know Marie France com I'd only met her once um she was on a crew I was on just after I got to the base in fact the 38-year-old Kom was an adventuresome military flight attendant at Trenton she had recently been a member of the crew flying Prime Minister Steven Harper on a state visit to the Far East her friend alamp plant spoke with her when she got back she flew from Trenton over the Pacific to go to Japan and from there when they came back uh they flew over the Atlantic so she went around the world I don't know many people who did that so I was I was curious and happy for her but because her dream was coming true 3 Days Later Mari France Como's body was discovered inside her house in Brighton Ontario the cause of death was asphixiation Colonel Williams tells detective Smith he learned about it from the military police now you got that email notifying that something had happened it's unclear what thoughts go through Williams mind but he seems to be grasping for something to say uh do you have uh any kind of a a clear recollection as to how your schedule was going that week well I can't remember what again what day that uh the message came in just a second um no I can't remember what day day of the week but I um I much think there was a whole bunch of activity spun up as a result obviously I can't remember the day of the week detective Sergeant Smith takes the bungled answer as an opportunity to set out in another Direction challenging Williams to prove he's innocent so if we were to uh do a similar uh investigation in your background is there is there anything you can think of that anybody may have misinterpreted or anything uh in your history that somebody might say Russell Williams uh absolutely did this no okay be very boring what's that it'll be very boring all right cuz essentially that's what I'm looking at is it uh um you see like a very intelligent person and I think you can see how um a surprise like that would U certainly some alarm BS investigation right okay Smith now gets to the point he needs more than words from Williams what would you be willing to give me today to help me um move past you in this investigation what uh what do you need well um would you be willing to supply things like fingerprints blood samples things like that okay Watch What Happens Next At The Mention Of Footwear Footwear Impressions Williams looks at his feet he's wearing boots I think that's what we're going to we're going to ask you to do all right detective Smith leaves the room to find the necessary Personnel it's here that Russell Williams faces a crucial juncture he can give Smith what he wants and risk the consequences or he can change his mind and ask for a lawyer blame it on hubris or being a good soldier but Williams doesn't flinch he provides his fingerprints blood and DNA and he lets them take prints of the boots he's wearing afterwards the colonel is apprehensive about who might learn about it can I assume you're going to be discreet it's possible yeah cuz uh you know this would have a very significant impact on the base if they thought you thought I did this well uh bottom line wrestle that's one of the reasons we're here in a sun afternoon see how his arms are folded up now this tells the interrogator he's in trouble and he's he's nervous cuz when you fold your arms up you're closing yourself up psychologically okay and look at he's looking down the whole time he's not making great eye contact and and the interrogator hit some with a great line in there he goes well that's why we're here on a Sunday because we want it to be discreet that's ridiculous okay cuz they don't care about being discreet at this point they they care about getting them but that's a great comeback if you're an interrogator right now you're thinking this is a guilty guy this guy is guilty and I'm going to get him uh that's certainly one of the things that went into our decision to to give you a call at home to and see if we could deal with this today okay so okay um cuz it's tough to undo the rumor mill once it gets started it appears that even after giving police all that evidence he still thinks he might somehow be able to walk away reputation intact but the commanding officer is not the one in charge here and his body language appears to show that he knows it that DNA is going to be uh significant in our investigation both uh you know quite possibly to help you quite possibly to help us I don't know yet I don't know what the result is yet um notice the quick smile at mention of DNA left behind at his crime scene when Smith asks about anything he may not want his wife to know he shifts in his seat frequently size is there any contact that you may have had with any of those four women um that you may not want your wife to be aware of anything like that that we should know about to try and uh explain why if if your DNA is found it would help us understand why it may be there absolutely not methodically Smith goes over it all one more time cementing Williams categorical denial have you ever visited uh um Marie France comoo at her residence no okay all right um so you're quite positive there would be no reason why your DNA would be any of those three locations okay um did you know Jessica Lloyd even in passing for any reason no I didn't hear hear her name till it was on the news what brought Colonel Russell Williams to the attention of the place in the first place was the SUV spotted from Highway 37 the night Jessica Lloyd disappeared and the tire tracks police discovered in the field when they stopped Williams in his SUV the tires were a match now detective Smith reveals to Williams that he knows it kind of tires do you have on your Pathfinder I think um I think they're Toyo do you know the brand name or sorry the think um I don't sorry the make is Toyo I don't know the model okay see read this off to see if it rings a bell the colonel sees it coming ever heard of uh does Toyo Open Country HTS sounds make any sense okay Smith gets Williams to deny he had ever parked the SUV with the Toyo Tires in the field adjacent to Jessica Lloyd's house do you have any recollection at all of being off that road no was not off the road no okay all right bad move okay what he should have said was impossible couldn't have happened but see you could see what's happening here he's he's got his arms folded and he's nauy his body language is saying yes I was there what's coming out of his mouth isn't that convincing as well because he's so he is so tore up inside right now because he's thinking where did I drive what did I do that night where was I was I North he's trying to think five steps ahead of this guy it's just not going to happen but his whole body is indicating man am I in trouble I have a serious problem now in his firm but quiet way Jim Smith is about to make the transition from good cop to bad I told you when I came in here uh that I'm going to treat you with respect and I've asked you to do the same for me um we talked about the whole idea of how we've uh approached you here okay uh the trying to be as just greed as possible okay but the problem is Russell is every time I walk out of this room there's another issue that comes up okay and it's not issues that point away from you it's issues that point at you okay and I want I want you to see what I mean all right this is the Footwear impression of the person who approached the rear of Jessica Lloyd's house on the evening of the 28th and 29th of January okay detective Smith now knows as the colonel does too that the prints belong to boots owned by Russell Williams this is a photo copy of the boot that uh you took off your foot yeah just a little while ago okay now they're the boots Williams wore on January the very same boots he put on to come to Ottawa Police Headquarters today these are identical okay your vehicle drove up the side of Jessica Lloyd's house your boots walked to the back of Jessica Lloyd's house on the evening of the 28th and 29th of January okay you want discretion we need just have some honesty okay because this is this is getting under control really fast Russell okay really really [Music] fast Paul Cino is a former US homicide investigator and interrogation expert this is what we call a confrontation and what's the colonel doing dur this he's nodding he's going up his the head's nodding up and down that's an involuntary reaction we call but that's indicator of what's going on internally and what he's nodding to is holy [ __ ] it's my boot they got my bootprint he's think God out how dumb am I to wear the same boots to the police station today this is getting Beyond My Control right I came in here a few hours ago and I called you the way I called you today because I wanted to give you the benefit out mhm but you and I both know you were at Jessica Lloyd's house and I need to know why William seems Frozen unwilling or unable to [Music] speak he grabs the paperwork and he's got it right now what he's doing is trying to figure out an explanation to give this guy because he knows man I am screwed I am so screwed he's buying time and we and we call by in time now what the detective does though is is great because a lot of detectives they'll keep talking but silence is great okay because now it becomes very uncomfortable Smith tells Williams his window for explanation is about to slam shut Russell you know there's only one option what do you what do you what other option is there what's the option well I don't think you want the cold blooded psychopath option I might be wrong because don't get me wrong I've met guys who actually kind of enjoyed the notoriety got off on it got off on having that label Bernardo being one of them I don't see that in you if I saw that in you I wouldn't be back in here talking to you quite frankly but maybe I'm wrong maybe you got me fooled I don't know this is over and it can have a a bad ending where Jessica's parents continue to wonder where her daughter's lying and I don't know I mean obviously there's a huge search still underway and it'll continue it'll continue until her body's found that might even happen tonight for all I know once that happens then I don't know what other card you would have to play what are we going to do Smith not only wants Williams to confess but perhaps even more pressing to direct them to the body of Jessica Lloyd the silence continues for half a minute then a glimmer of hope R what are we going to do only me rest please okay you and I both know for three and a half hours detective Sergeant Jim Smith has maneuvered Russell Williams into one very tight corner you and I both know that the unknown offender male Den on Marie France combo's body is going to be matched to you quite possibly before the evening's over it's late Sunday afternoon and something dramatic is happening your boots locked to the back of Jessica Lloyd's house Mark mendleson is a former Toronto homicide detective now a private investigator what a moment oh yeah great well done surgical in the way he did it if you want to talk yourself out of the tire tracks go ahead talk yourself out of the boot I dare you we going to do Blame It On The Gardener who stole my truck and stole my boots it's not going to happen and you can see there's no response other than he's he's actually acknowledging yeah you're right it is identical there's no way out Russell listen to me for a second okay and that evidence comes in when that DNA match when that phone rings and somebody knocks on this door your credibility is gone okay because this is how credibility works all right and I know you're an intelligent person and you probably don't need to hear this explanation but I also know your mind's racing right now okay cuz I've sat across a lot of people in your position over the years okay the bottom line is is that as soon as we get that that piece of evidence that solidifies it DNA okay Smith keeps hammering home the message if Williams wants any say whatsoever he's got to show his hand now R what are we going to do what are we going to do r and then it happens a tiny crack in the Colonel's armor is Jessica somewhere we can find her easily like is this something where I can make a call and tell somebody to go to a location and they're going to find her or is this something where we have to go and and uh take a walk the awful reality his victims had known is now sinking in for Russell Williams himself which direction are we heading in here Russ maybe maybe this would help can you tell me what the issue is you're struggling with we have compressed Williams many pauses some almost a minute long what TS you're struggling with it's hard to believe this is not why is that why is it hard to believe it's just it's just hard to believe by now detective Smith must sense he's getting close R is there anything you want from me is there anything you want me to explain is there something missing that you're struggling with that I can shed some light on for you and finally his determination pays off I'm struggling with how upset my life is right now R what are you looking for I'm concerned that they're tearing apart my wife's brand new house so am I but if nobody tells them what's there what's not they don't have any choice watch how Jim Smith now is in lock step with Williams each mirroring the other's gestures so what am I do on r i put my best foot forward here for you bud I really have I don't I don't know what else to do to to make you understand the impact of what's Happening Here do we talk I want to um minimize the impact on my wife so do I so do we do that well we start by telling the truth what follows is another half minute of Silence okay okay then a most remarkable moment where is she 4 hours 40 minutes and 10 seconds after they sat down get a map um is she close to where she lives I've got maps of that general area getting Williams to view a map of the location of Lloyd's body is the Turning Point says interrogation expert Paul celino every detective ass signed this case is watching this thing on tape or live feed and or I don't see any mirrors in there but there there's a camera in there clearly so they're watching it and you want to know what they're doing yes we got him we got his ass yes yes yes go get I mean that's what's going on outside that room but right now there's a big celebration going on because they know they own this guy right now as we said before Canadians have never seen anything like it a police investigator at the peak of his powers interrogating someone so accomplished in their career let alone a top ranking military man especially someone responsible for a criminal trail of such willful cruelty so far it's been almost 5 hours of quiet intense intellectual combat there may images on Forensic psychiatrist Duncan Scott of Queens University has met with Russell Williams weekly since his arrest you have watching him on on tape in the confession once he's said get the map I'll show you where Jessica Lloyd is is uh dumped he becomes very calm it seems and he's got an almost matter OFA way of describing these terrible things just as if he would have to get up in front of tell a whole bunch of people about the people that have just died under his uh under his his command and how he would have to write a letter and how he would go and talk to the individuals and keep his emotions at pay that was something that he had learned to do quite well for detective Smith the priority now is find Jessica lyd which town is she near why don't we start there I'm not sure if you give me a map of U that covers calar down to the highway and over to Tweed and sou I'll show you let me see what I got here I might have something is she inside outside with the search for Jessica ongoing Smith is equipped with maps of the area around Tweed where am I going on the on here to get to her in this BL here okay so you're pointing to a detailed map of that area and I'll show you where she is okay she close to a road yep all right um is it something where is she is she buried or is she somewhere where if you walk there you would you would fairly easily see her it's here how long's she been there [Applause] for little over week was it fairly quick from the time she left Friday night Friday night y so where was she between Thursday night and Friday night in tweet with you y how long was she alive for almost 24 hours not quite okay r you're doing the right thing here okay well again my interest is in uh making my my wife's life a little easier he knows to this guy other than his military career his wife is everything what he's thinking I got 600 pairs of people's underwear in my house and my wife is going to be out of her mind how do I want the TVs out in front of her house for the next two years do I want them destroy and ripping up the house what can I do to make this better it's an horrific bargain belated consideration for his wife in exchange for information about where he dumped the body of a young woman he brutalized and killed almost matter of factly he then reveals where police can find the digital memory cards on which he keeps the photographs he takes of his victims while he tortures sexually assaults and kills them and whose images are on those cards uh well I've erased them that I expect uh he'll be able to draw images of uh Jessica and I what about Marie there may be images on there as well okay and the two women from September here okay detective Smith comes back to the question of where to find Jessica William says she's exactly 7 km from a certain intersection how far off the road is she 40 ft she if she covered with anything she's wrapped up she's on the surface agree something other cover okay bar the obvious question I'm going to have for you is when they go there and they'll be there shortly they're going to find her goad early the next morning February 8th police recovered Jessica Lloyd 7 km from the intersection exactly where Russell Williams said she would be for detective Jim Smith the hard part is over but now the really hard part Begins the terrible litany of all that Williams has done I put tape on her mouth and then I put tape on her nose and held it there so she couldn't [Music] breathe it is Sunday evening February 7th in the interview room at Ottawa Police Headquarters the tension Has Broken Russell Williams now ready to confess what you're about to hear is sexual violent and could very well be disturbing it's uh pretty wide open now right yeah what do you want to know well do you want to work forwards or backwards doesn't matter why don't we start with Jess how does that start for you it happened 10 days earlier whenever Colonel Williams went from CFB Trenton to his Cottage in Tweed he drove right by the house where Jessica Lloyd lived it recently caught sight of her working out as he passed by um I saw her in her house on her trima W is then I noticed she wasn't um there Thursday so I got into the house look around then um and they left notice she'd come home so I went back in through the the back patio door while she was sleeping so I woke her up didn't um didn't hit her she only hit her once Friday night while he assaulted Lloyd his SUV sat in the field next to her house his biggest mistake afterwards he drove her to his Cottage in Tweed to continue the attack well so I raped her in uh in her house and then I took her to the car and took her to tweet and um spent the day in tweet and then I hit her um as we were walking she thought we were leaving hit her on the back of the head William says the flashlight with which he hit her did more damage than he expected well I was surprised that uh her her skull gave way she was there and immediately unconscious and I strangle her William says while Jessica Lloyd was unconscious he strangled her with a rope and left her body in his garage while he drove to Trenton then to Ottawa for a weekend with his wife he returned to the cottage on Tuesday and took Lloyd to the spot where she would be found the following week again his tone in describing a beautiful young woman in her final moments is stunningly matter of fact fact it's a similar story when he recounts the last night of Marie France komo's life at her home in Brighton Ontario she was under his command at CFB Trenton and apparently had caught William's eye her house was 50 km in the wrong direction from his Cottage at Tweed but he visited before when she was gone then came back entering through a basement window lights R so when she spotted me I U had the same flashlight I subduer tigh her up upstairs [Music] and uh strangled her later in the morning upstairs Williams also raped and photographed her though he was com's commanding officer his head and face were covered and she didn't recognize him he decided to kill her anyway did you take anything out of uh Marie Francis house or Jessica Lloyd's house uh yeah some of their underwear okay that's all detective Jim Smith seems surprised to learn how much of their underwear Williams took um probably 60 pieces or something total all women's yeah 60 pieces of theirs of who's of Jess and uh M FL so you took 60 pieces from between the two of them yeah okay next the detective moves on to the two sexual assaults in Williams neighborhood in Tweed one victim lived just a few doors away from his Cottage as she's described it she was asleep at home when she was surprised by an intruder he blindfolded her tied her up cut off her clothes choked beat sexually assaulted and photographed her for 2 and 1/2 hours Williams recounts it somewhat differently I did have the flashlight that time I hit over the flashl and thinking it would knock her out didn't so subdued her with my weight took off her clothes took some pictures and left he told much the same story about the other sexual assault like almost everyone else detective Smith searches for Williams motivation why do you think these things happen have you spent much time thinking about that about why yeah yeah but I don't have any answers and I'm pretty sure the answers don't matter well let me let me ask you this did you like or dislike these women I didn't know anything that may be as close to truth as we can get that he had no feelings at all for the women he raped and murdered even Jessica Lloyd whom he held captive for the last day of her life can you tell me why you killed her rest do you know why you killed her well I think I killed her because I knew that uh her story would be recognized her story will be recognized how do you mean well cuz she knew I was taking pictures he says he worried Lloyd's case would be tied to the two assaults in tweet well Williams also took photographs as for Corporal Marie frano he rationalized he had to kill her because she was stationed at CFB Trenton well because um I was pretty sure that uh you know she was serving military right mhm it would have been uh it would have been difficult for inv investigators to ignore that connection for Marie Fran KOMO perhaps the ultimate absen is that after everything else when she took her last breath Williams recorded it on video as for Jessica Lloyd Williams bought her cooperation by promising if she did what he said she would get her Freedom oh no she just didn't put up too much of a fuss okay did she try and negotiate with you at all or what did she say well I told her that I would uh let her go later on but after humiliating and raping her and recording it on video Williams murdered her too and how did you know she was dead she um well her body stopped moving it is after midnight now Monday February 8th when the door of interrogation room 216 closes behind Russell Williams for the last time in a few hours police would locate the body of Jessica Lloyd after that they would make their shocking announcement arrested Russell Williams 46 of Tweed for first-degree murder he a lousy lousy lousy at at at murdering people and and setting itself up I think it's this is horrible forensic psychiatrist Duncan Scott of Queens University consults with the Detention Facility where Williams was held he's met with him since his arrest and he's not surprised the addiction to sex and murder LED so far so fast it's spinning out of control and that's what I'm trying to say about being messy and what he was doing um he he wasn't really uh planning it was just going on it was if it happened in front of them it was kind of meant to be and the urges were so overwhelming and the rush knowing what he's going to be getting from that was again so overwhelming for him that thirst unquenchable for him Dr Scott says as a murderer Williams is unique Academia is out the window at this time there's no sample group of these types of individuals there's no FBI huge base rate that we can sample and find out whether where this goes back to or whether there's something in vitro here or in utro and and something happened during his upbringing or some horrible trauma that occurred to him that we aren't going to be finding that but he says he does know one thing that if Williams hadn't been stopped he wouldn't have stopped himself after watching the confession Russell Williams longtime and loyal friend Jeff farquar is now also convinced of that it's just shocking is not a word that even comes close um he is I've had a tough time understanding how he might be portrayed as a serial killer and a sexual predator but now I realize that he's the worst of the bunch and to try and understand that to try and put that in context with Russ who I've known for close to 30 years just as I said before it doesn't add up and not only does it not add up but he's a bigger monster than anybody I've heard or read about and it's uh like I say shocking doesn't even begin to cover it um it's disgusting I I don't know what to say you know honestly I'm I'm really at a loss for words and that's what scares me so much is that uh my God he really is maybe a a psychopath Chief op investigator Chris Nicholas it was an excellent piece of police work on behalf of Jim Smith who conducted this interview one of the best interviews I've ever seen uh and it's uh it's a smart man being outsmarted by a smarter man it may be even better than that according to us interrogation expert Paul celino because let me tell you what's going to happen this tape will be played in every interrogation course in the world english- speaking one and probably other ones as how to do it this guy is doing it this is classic before it ends one of detective Jim Smith's final questions to Russell Williams reveals exactly what was at stake if this didn't come to the point it's at right now if for whatever reason you didn't end up on our on our radar so to speak uh do you think it would have happened again I was hoping not that I can't answer the question