yeah entries on trend break um while you can still enter a trend break just like we talked about last week you you can still do this of course but really you're you're forfeiting a different piece of knowledge there when you do that where you should have entered on a whole level like you know even here would be a good example like you know hard close this trend on the right time frame you close out on the hourly there would adapt and then to the 15 and the and the uh five minute and the one minute so you'd have some kind of break relative to here and then and then even there you'd be entering some greedy level off of here right like you'd be likely entering some part of this is greedy range in here which would be right here right so you'd be entering off some part of this greedy range breaks through the trend here and uh as simple as that just loses its move off the hold yeah okay fine this would have been not bad but you would have been entering a short down here which doesn't make sense because things like this can happen right break the trend here and you probably even broke it on the one hour even and you did you broke it here so at that point you'd be adapting it here and saying okay well let's let's see the 15-minute break know where's the 15-minute hard close right there you you could have even you could have justified like the smaller time frame break here and said oh but yeah what's the difference between this break here and this break here between this break right so like that's that's the problem with the uh the trend breaks it's like they're trigger points not not necessarily that's why we enter hold levels because hold levels you're not going to lose money on a whole level buying the trend break fine if you get the right moment but why wasn't this the right moment why isn't this the right moment right so to answer that i would simply say okay you adopted on the uh hourly there's actually a 15 minute adoption there too as well so we have a 15 minute there then you have the five minute here right so then you would be like this the five minute then you would go in here and you'd say okay here's the uh three minute i mean by that point you're saying three minute one minute you're in the move quite late like you're you're in the move quite late if you're adopting this trend out like that to see where it's gonna break so yeah i mean trend break trigger points right it's while you can enter on them you don't necessarily always get that break when you have a confirmed break that cycles through the time frames like that then it's clearly late entry because in order to cycle the time frames it has to hold up top right so so this was just a simple manner of laddered here to here held its move and that should have been entered on the on the short so i'm going to create a scenario here so you're saying okay maybe this is where we are in time you open your chart or you are already charting and you have this and you say oh okay damn this just this whole level i should have entered here but now it's here what do i do right now like that's what you're saying yes it is is it valid to look for another point further on in the mood that's exactly what i was going to say what you're doing is you're saying okay look it's ladder from here it's flattered to here where could it ladder bigger time frame like it could ladder off of here next or even here so i'd either look to take a short here if it's not can it continue its ladder right or i would go into this thing and say okay let's mark this level oops let's mark this here to start and let's work this down what do we actually have we have this right here which is touch so i'd be looking at something like this right here this 92 95 and i'd say okay if this holds the move let's enter right so then and and i would also have like my interior trend from here to here saying okay break this hit that hold level and take entry there so there right there so i would be entering that short right there and then if it's going above that it's already polarized to the level above because this is already tested this is tested so if it's breaking that level it's going right next where is it here i'm sure it can hit it okay i'm sure it can hit a range in here somewhere like um you know if it breaks this level it's just polarized up into this region here so it's moving up two percent so i'm i'm still setting my short there right but if it goes above that i'm just exiting yes and you can do that throughout all of the ladders down as long as they keep getting yep created and held yep absolutely it would be the same thing as if i entered here in this moment if i did take this trade right here i would also see this ladder point and say oh if it if it go if it starts to go above that i'll exit this trade because it's polarized right like yes level is polarized because these are already all back testing their levels like these are all tested like you know put a strike through the one and then the next untested levels up here so you know if this level here breaks then it's going to come and it's going to just go up two percent this level to this part of the range which which is just a higher timeframe ladder down right which is which is just saying even even right here would be pretty perfect actually even right there it's kind of polarized to this moment again we haven't really worked our time frames here but you know just finding the obvious on the chart like it's already it's it's polarized to this right and and and then to this range right here right so 1.97 and 0.6 and i'm sure they're going to have even a range inside of this like this is just surface looking at it right like two percent here point eight or six or whatever it is to hear so again this is very surface level just taking one time frame and doing it you guys know that by now that it's very surface level to do this on one time frame only but to show where it's polarized that that's exactly how i would treat that trade um regardless of the spot i entered whether it was the first touch or the latter point of that first touch you're just forfeiting slightly different entry yeah i mean i mean really here this is testing that level it's undusted so so once this breaks you're breaking this untested level here and and which is now tested so you're already breaking that and this is already broken too so like if if this whole level here like if you're testing that and that starts to you know that's your moment of polarity because then it's just going to go right to here right so so it's like even even if you enter the trade here you're still looking at that same level so you enter the trade here like this you're still trying to find that same moment of polarity in this trade you're still trying to say okay where's the polarity in this trade what what if if i've entered here and i'm in profits right now what is going to break this move up and and my short is going to get liquidated well fine so you have your next untested hold right there which if that that breaks you've already broken all the other moves anyways this is already broken this one's already broken so so you're going straight from this level to this level at that point right like you break that level there if you go over top of that you're going straight to this so even even if you've entered the trade even if for some reason you had some justification to catch this extreme top right here even if you were right here in the move that would like even if you you know you knife caught that maybe just got super greedy maybe there's a one minute hold i don't know what that that touch but whatever it touches you would still have this level marked and say okay once once uh once oops once this one goes uh you're not holding this anyways you're just up here into the large time frame so you're just from here to here anyway so even even if you entered here and you're in profits you exit your profits right there because you know it's polarized and once that breaks it's like okay um you could use a trigger point and you could also do like this if you really got stubborn and said well i just i really think it's going to move down because of something on the larger time frame you could just do like this and say okay well here's the swing high swing high this is my trigger point if it closes this that's when i'm exiting so so you you could you know as it's creeping over this you could draw one kind of final trend right you could you could draw one kind of final trend if it goes like this and uh if you really wanted to just stick this out you're just really that stubborn you could kind of do that and see if it's going to pull back likely not but if it does it's technically still laddering off of this so there's a possibility there but uh really this should be the first sign and this is like your final sign when you break this trend that you your local trend will take you up right so it's just yeah um this is such a key moment right here well yeah because look you've got ladder ladder ladder at no point are you giving any sign like there is no indication that you are breaking anything anywhere here like there there is no indication of it right like you're not there's nothing here that's showing you this move is breaking up it's just showing you that it's being supported down like you're laddering down right so yeah so therefore therefore you could take a short lower down so long as that ladder stays in place lower than 92.95 is that what you're saying yeah yes yes yeah absolutely right until it stops until it stops going down you know yeah i think think back to our trigger points conversation right where we had let's get rid of this try to get this uh okay let's get rid of that just until i can get the right one here that's fine uh-huh we're just gonna keep deleting you know think back to this breaks here which would have been this right here gives you your next swing of the move which is laddering off of this right like this this you flip this chart upside down and and it simply looks like a long-term move right like look at the way the range is holding here right like if you if you actually look at this thing this from here to here right cycles to here which gives you your next break point cycles to here which gives you your next break point cycles to here which gives you this piece of the move here right like like all you're doing here is continuously moving up off of holds even if you were to use the greediest holes right like even even if you're using the greediest holes like eventually all you're going to do is and this should actually be distribution to distribution we have the first swing here which gives us our distribution candle here and there's no hard closes here so like if you're looking at this thing just from a cycle standpoint you can see like okay we broke that down and and we lost this trend but we held the move right like the move is held then we're just going to mark it here because there's some well you know we'll just mark the one hour that's fine we'll just mark this one hour and we'll go back to the four hour so when this heart closes like you're just going to take a larger move like you can see it right here even even if you justify this on a lower time frame and say oh right here like you're you're simply just going to move against your cycle against that part of the move right like that it's just like your classic cycle even here ladder ladder ladder ladder ladder ladder you know like it's just there has to be like it's that exterior piece of knowledge that you use right do we have a four hour developed so we have the four hour here which is fine as our base and then we have the hourly right here which means that's going to be the new hourly point to this so you've got like this to this so when you hard close this you can use that as your trigger point you'll always exit the profits this way or you can use the more localized one which would be against this right here so this is what's going to hold it up right from here to here and then you'd be using this against that like this which is already broken so you're still in this trade which is fine i don't even like really using this i'd like to see a higher time frame it's part of the problem of working interior so what i would do is i would use a 15 minute distribution candle here because that's going to be a five minute accumulation candle somewhere or three minute this is what i would use yeah it's right there so this is what i would use to uh decide my trigger in this trade and then so that's work this from here to here nope you have to use it like that from here to here yeah i mean this is holding this right now right so like if you get out outside of this 15 minute there if you get outside of this you're going to start looking to kind of take a little bit of a move back up probably to some other ladder point in there so i would be using something like this to dictate where i'm exiting so if we break this so you're already in yeah you're already in pretty decent profits yeah i would use some things i would also be weary of anything higher time frame so this has already been tested so we know this can't test so we're working for it from this point break over top of that that's already tested if you break over top of this like if this can't hold the move down i would get out you're in pretty close close piece here yeah i mean you could stay in again this isn't hard closing out so be careful but you could you could stay in [Music] off of the 15 minute larger level like you can you can stay in off of this 15 minute so you just don't have anything on the hourly here you could stand is this this is your decision between profits and um profits and how much tolerance you have to losing your profits like if you don't mind forfeiting profits because you want to play a bigger move you can by all means stay in this but i think the decision is made relatively relatively soon here you haven't hit this hit the back side of this you haven't hit the front side of this you also haven't hit this that would stay in you're gonna um yeah like personally i would treat this more of a position trade or a swing trade i would i would define the target below and see what it's worth so like for example this is tested this is tested this one's not tested so you've got one there this is tested this is also not tested so like how do you where is your profit cap right like you're from here to here as one percent from here to here so one and a half percent i think i might go for something bigger here like one and a half percent so i would be more so looking at this which is already tested this is tested do you have anything on the five so this range here is tested so so this one we're going to delete tested okay which gives us this right here which is tested which gives us two levels this one here where's our next target that's what it is it's creating the final local trend and it's the latter point so ladder from here to here this is the level that can support the move if this can't hold the move it's polarized down way the hell down here right so then right now this becomes our target because we know it's going to cause some type of bounce we know we know it's going to cause some type of bounce because simply you have a trend like this interior you're going to have your final low which is going to give you this array point this final array point which which just basically breaks the whole entire like all of the move because it's all polarized now like you're getting into that territory where you can't test this right you can still test this you can still test this like i can see right here there's a like a block here that's not tested so so there could possibly be something here but i don't really think it's a greedy enough target i think your your target here is 86.90 and and 86.90 is a good target um like if i had to make a quick judgment call i would say okay look this is tested already so what the hell are you even trying to get in there you could possibly have this you could possibly have that the better of a trader you are the more time frames you'll see so if you're just justifying this on you know dailies or four hours or one hours and you know so pat you said here's the one hour hold level right here that you wanted to uh take 87.50 yeah yeah that's fine yeah so so i mean the exit makes sense i don't mind it and it's holding so you know maybe you're worried and i was wrong but i definitely feel like this is the target because it's simply going to be the next ladder point from here to here yeah if this thing is going up long term this will hold so that's like the key piece of information here this will hold if it's going up because it's just ladder ladder ladder right so it will hold if it's going up so yeah yeah i think that's like a you know pretty important piece of information looks like this level's kind of collapsing in the moment kind of looks like a collapse of the level right now to be honest it's uh an ego thing right like we we have to have good trades we have to be paid for our work so you know even if you start with 50 70 100 that's fine the way you break that is by starting to use trigger points because even in this trade from here to here you could have you could have used this as a trigger point right like first you would have been so so rewind this trade right and again not that you did anything wrong because it looks like you took the best part of this trade and you could simply get back into it now but you know in this moment you take this trade and you can say okay here's a trigger point here's our targets has it reached its target no so i should not exit my trigger point right because it has to reach some kind of target first like you can look all the way back here and say even even if you've some maybe this is i don't know a one-hour backside or something let's just say this you're here and you're saying okay this is what's gonna hold the move has it reached my target yes okay so i'm either getting out of the trade here which i think would be silly because i don't i don't know how much profits are here probably just like a pretty small amount i think i think that would be silly at that point i would use this as a trigger point has it reached my target yes okay that means if it breaks this i should be out of the trade and it doesn't break it you see so so you're saying has it reached my target yes i didn't take my exit though okay fine [Music] you you should only be exiting if your trigger point is hit so so you'd be in your next spot here now you'd be down to the next piece have i hit my target yes okay i can use my trigger point because you've pushed through your first target i like to allow my trigger point to be frayed out one section so so i like to have it frayed out once first so at that point i would say okay here's a whole level this one's been test tested this has been tested if we go over this i can i can leave the trade if we swing this out once and break that so so i would allow this to swing out once because i also would say okay look you've hit a target now you can exit on your trigger point but this trigger point was for this hold because this hole was touched and it tried to move up it just didn't create any trend so somewhere along the line you're going to create a new trend on a higher time frame which is right there so this is the point where i'd say okay now i'm still in this trade i want to adapt my trigger point to here okay so so now if i break my trigger point i will exit this trade you don't so now i'm going to let it fray out again because it's breaking down and i would say oh here's my next target right here or down here right so so now you you're right here right so this is the point you're in and now i would say okay let me let this fray out once more because i'm still in this trade so so if you use kind of this two-step approach you can still be in this and this can even come out all the way to like break this come here and then you can fray that to there and you're still in the trade you're not exiting on the trigger point right so i want to give it room to breathe but if i've hit a target that's like four percent below there's going to be a point where it just never comes back the more profits you make the more the more flexibility you have because if you're in this trade from from here and you're like okay i've caught this knife i don't know what to do you can allow your trend to have kind of these fraying moments what you're doing is you're developing a larger time frame trend right like here let me delete these breaststrokes you only want to do this so much because at this point you're breaking a five minute trend because you actually have your first accumulation to accumulation trend here or or a distribution to distribution trend which would be maybe it's even on the 15. let's let's do this properly you do right here to here right like you have your first trend right there 15 to 15. you haven't adapted it on the five so you have your first major trend now right and then you can even adapt it on the three to give yourself a little more breathability if you want so that that's where i would adapt it here i would say okay here's the 15 minute let me actually get out of this trade if it hard close breaks this three minute here but you'd be right here and you could exit here as your trigger point your target is hit if it continues but at that point if you've held this long and you didn't take your exit on this i would probably wait till it tries to break this because it's going to come and it's going to you know do something like test this and then fall down against this trend but as you can continue to to move these out like what you're doing is you're giving yourself larger and larger trends right so so you can give it breathability to a point but once you've given it too much breathability you've created like an hour like a one hour to one hour trend so you have to realize like once that one breaks there's a bigger move coming here right so yeah you you can you can say look i've got a target below have i touched it yes okay adapt my trend out and that's my trigger point because this is holding through that which is just a micro cycle right like number one is the whole level number two is the trend break number three is the target right so so then all you're doing is you're you're exiting your contract on the number two because you've actually been able to create a number two now because your number one was hit and confirmed and you broke your trend so once you've hit that hold level then you adapt it because remember when we create cycles like this when we create a cycle we hit a whole level first and then we draw our trend so we find the whole level we hit and then we draw our trend because in the other world that you're doing it if you use this as a trigger point too early you're drawing this first and then you're hitting your whole level so it's going to give you like a false reading because you should have created that trend off that not that not not create trend first you create trends second after you hit the whole level so so basically what you're doing is a very advanced way to work with a trigger point inside of a cycle before a cycle starts so it's like pre-cycle trends which is you know quite advanced because now we're talking about almost like developing you know micro triggers inside of a cycle before the cycle develops so it's again it's quite advanced but you can see why you can only adapt it out so many times because because once you've once you've adapted it enough times you're actually inside of a cycle so you've passed that point where you should have already exited