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Making The Argument with Rudyard Lynch

all right welcome back to making the argument we got a good episode for you today because we're back with our good friend Rudyard Lynch from what if alt his um again we we've done a couple of things with rard now and I'm telling you if you haven't gone to his YouTube page if you haven't checked out his videos you're missing out I mean it really is there there's just such a a wide array of topics being discussed over there um looking at history from multiple different perspectives looking at culture from multiple different uh perspectives some predictive analysis that I think is done very well and i' I've got a bit of a background in analysis so I can usually spot the the good stuff from the garbage and it's always wellth thought out and certainly thought-provoking so rogard thanks for being back on man you flattered me tremendously uh thank you for uh thank you for bringing me on it's a pleasure to be here so here's what I kind of wanted to go through today like we have talked um we've talked before about your your video the coming right-wing backlash we've um we we've talked about the kind of the conditions and the catalysts that would be necessary to actually see Society kind of break down in ways that neither of us want to see it go um and we've also talked a little bit about like okay what what are the what are the best case scenarios and you recently did a video um entitled you know young men are not Expendable or you are not Expendable and it was a video directed at young men because a lot of uh men in general but specifically younger men I I would say kind of you know 40 and younger but especially 30 35 and younger um they've grown up in a different I'm 44 and and I grew up in a world where concepts of traditional masculinity were still respected it's not that we weren't still contending with with feminism but feminism was still you know for the most part mainstream feminism was still rooted in this idea of look o opening up access to Opportunities breaking glass ceilings you know things of that nature it wasn't full-blown manh hatred you know you know across the board and that really is I I think in many cases what it's what it's descended into at this point and you even have some people on the left that are starting to acknowledge this as well and saying look this this cannot just be manh hatred we're all going to be in trouble here and the reason why I want to combine these two topics and discuss some things is because I I agree with you that this is not sustainable we we you can't have a society where you've just told you know traditional masculinity and and men in general that you're always part of the problem and the solution is for to become more feminine or whatever it is just don't be you and then at at the same time expect the same very young men that you expect to police the streets fight your Wars build your buildings you know maintain your infrastructure to continue to do so just out of a sense of you know Noble duty to a society that increasingly hates them like that's not that's not a thing um so here's what I want to kick off I I want I want us to imagine you know we got the presidential election year this year lot of hostility um more more hostility than I've ever I've ever seen I've been involved in politics for a while now I'm I serve in a state legislature so I I've I've seen it up close and I've never seen the the vital and the um I mean at this point hatred uh at at this level before in our country to the point where you have people on both sides and it's not all people in their mom's basement or you know Marxist slam poets at the you at the coffee shop you you've got people a little bit more mainstream now saying yeah this could go really bad really quickly and some of them seem to want it to so let's just say on Election night you know November 2024 we have no idea who the winner is right so we got a bunch of early votes that still need to be cast and as usual some of the bigger cities and whatnot are not coming in and we we end up you know this reality where we're not going to know the results of the election for a couple of days so that's where that's where I'm going to set it I'm gonna I'm going to set it that you know we've had all these trials and stuff like that with Donald Trump let's say that he's been able to success successfully navigate those enough to where there's nothing that prevents him from being on the ballot there's nothing that upsets that like we make it to election day and it's super close and all we're doing is waiting on votes and a couple of major swing States and a couple of urban areas and everybody's anticipating different things what what do you think give me a worst case scenario what what do you see happening under those conditions what I'd say is that our age is profoundly stupid and what I mean by that is that everything that happens in our time period is a continuation of a choice made roughly around the time of the world wars and the logic made sense when that choice was made for example you could say social security you could say a laric element of modern feminism the regulatory State these things all made sense in 193 um and now they don't and people one of the most dispiriting parts of my life was as I Rose in social status and talk to more and more important people is I realized in most cases the people in power are not particularly intelligent or wise and they're making very short calculations just off reaction and I see that with the left where the left the left is stuck on with as many pressures as the right is and if you're on the right today you'll know all of the internal issues we have and the various insecurities that the right has the left has those two but the left has done so by basically just appealing to young women because that's a demographic where they can consistently pull loyalty from but as they've gotten more insecure they've had to appeal to women in more and more insane ways which in turn uh disaffect young men but they haven't really thought that far ahead their strategic vision is pretty small um and I agree with Nick here I think there is a very low chance we get past this election without violence and I think if it if we do make another four years it'll just be through blind luck it'll be either some strategic genius shows up in Washington DC which I don't they find likely but it'll probably be due to luck and the reason I say that is that we're hitting the point where the incentive is to defect rather than to maintain the system because if you look at the government the government is maintained by people trying to deciding to maintain the illusion of that regime's right to rule uh it's a form of magic where people's belief in the regime determines its actual power and a statistic I saw recently that I think is very telling is apparently Americans saved up a tremendous amount of assets during Co and they spent the last four years burning it and now we're about hit the zero point and I think that's symbolic of so many other institutions in America where the debt if we push I don't think people realize how insane the Biden Administration has been on a variety of metrics because our media isn't really honest about it but the amount of money printing we've had since uh Biden was elected is just absolutely absurd we've taken in between 8 to 15 million immigrants and so if we have another four years years of that what will be left of what what's going to be left of the country and on the left side as well they're burning through their social capital where if you look at every single woke organization and the woke moral code it doesn't have moral principles that would be oppressive instead it has virtue signaling and so they they don't have a mechanism to tone down how aggressive they are and so all these woke organizations have hit this fever pitch of insanity which if they go for another four years they're going to blow their organizations up look at Disney look at uh the state of California look at uh Wall Street uh Black Rock and so for both the right and the left we've hit a point where war is the easier option for people in power because they don't have a good answer on how to deal with the issues that we currently face that are intractable and it's easier just to roll the dice no I I think so I I think that's an interesting point because you um the the old statement that war abroad is peace at home um there there's been some truth to this and and political leaders have used this for a while because even even when you do have something like the Pax Romana um again people somewhat have a desire for for conflict um and and that conflict can manifest itself well I I'll say this I think people have a desire for challenges I think challenges are important to people and if you have a a positive challenge which is tangible and which people can put their effort toward um and that could be something like the space race right it it could be something like western expansion it can be all all sorts of things that aren't necessarily War but have a way of galvanizing you know national interests into thinking that hey we're all on the same team like we may have our differences but this thing unites us and and we're going to focus on that and War has been the easiest thing to do that um because it it can be passed off as somewhat existential and I think we're at a point right now where to some degree that's been that's been used up in the United States because if you were to talk if you were to talk to me in the late 90s early 2000s dude I wanted to invade Iraq like nobody's business you know why because those sons of you know you know ran planes into our Towers like well it wasn't them it was the I don't care it's it's all one objective and you know Saddam helped him and and I don't care and I'm a young at this point you know young infantrymen I'm going through the Special Forces qualification course I become a Green Beret there's a war on and I want to be in it right because I'm I'm a young man and I'm going to prove that I love my country and everything else you talk to me now I still love my country and I still think war is necessary at sometimes but I'm also completely disillusioned with respect to how our country chooses conflicts and especially how they choose to fight those conflicts once the conflict has been chosen um at the same time that I look around my own country and I'm like whoa one one of the things you need to have some underlying concepts of social cohesion before you can pull off this this idea that war abroad is peace at home right that works when people believe in the glory of Rome right when people don't believe in the glory of Rome no that's just a that's just a another Avenue for more infighting to take place um and I think your point about where you know my my co-host Christian and I were talking about this yesterday on an episode we were discussing and it was this whole idea of once a Upon a Time they're like why why was the left so effective at either hostile takeovers or revolutions you know way back when and why are they not now it's well because in in in 1918 1917 Russia the marxists weren't telling young men that they were the source of all evil right if if you were if you were a mine worker in Spain right the the left actually offered something to young men now I think it was I don't think it was good what they offered but but it it's still appealed to a sense of of Pride and honor and taking care of yourself and your family and your country and I'm looking at the Modern left to your point it's like there's been so much focus on the modern left on on winning election cycles and and getting your political Coalition in place in order to to have enough votes on Election Day that there doesn't seem to have been a lot of thought that hey you know this you know this whole Democratic process thing that has to be held up by something and you're alienating the very people that are act they're very necessary to hold up that nice civil Democratic process that you you're appealing to and I don't I don't think they well let me put it this way I don't think most of them get it I think some of them do and and I'm going to let me pose this to you I was sitting in the Virginia General Assembly in the house of delegates and we were debating a bill and one of the bills that was coming up essentially said that if you were if you came to the United States under DACA you could rise all the way up through the ranks within a law enforcement organization within Virginia to include being chief of the police force right or whatever it was without being a US citizen and and we're looking at this going wait a second there's something fundamentally wrong now we we understand that there's different processes for people to be able to serve in the military or whatnot but those have been somewhat limited now you're talking to expand to all law enforce so you're you're literally the chief law enforcement officer of an organization but you're not in the country legally you don't see any problem with that and they were more pissed at us saying illegal immigrant it's our undocumented members of our community right then they were about pointing out that you are watering down what it actually means to be a citizen and that is a necessary component within a free society and so I I almost a part of me like the dark side of me wonders the black pill side of me wonders is the reason why you want to pull in a a large large heavily dependent immigrant immigrant um you know class is not just for the workforce component but it's also because you recognize that you're not going to be able to rely on antifa to carry out your stuff but if you get enough young men coming in from other countries that don't have any fundamental loyalty to the system as is and and they see you as the political party that is providing them with benefits and everything else is that a group that you can actually rely upon to engage in acts of violence if necessary all right everybody quick break break to let you know that once once again Independence Day is coming up and good ranchers has a special deal for Independence Day because if you sign up for one of their subscriptions here's what you get you're going to get free American Wu burgers for a year right for that entire subscription you're going to get free American Wu Burgers right like like that's the top of the burger pyramid of greatness right in addition to that you're going to get $40 off of your first box $30 off of your second box and $30 off of your third box that's that's $100 right that math maths people all right so go to goodranchers.com put in promo code Nick get your free burgers right celebrate your independence from the grocery store which is selling you crap right goodranchers.com promo code Nick get your $100 off get your free burgers let's get back to the show yeah the last five years have really been mask off for the leftist elite uh and one of my favorite political books ever is the Leviathan and its enemies by Samuel Francis and there's a couple very smart people who predicted what the current left would evolve into um and I would have called the Madmen if I was alive in the 1990s but everything they said turned out to be true um and the point of the Leviathan and its uh enemies is the way I have described it my process through reading it is imagine if you explain feudalism to a medieval peasant because people don't think about the relationships of power for whatever Society they're in they're just this is the world world uh I get my food my family is safe whatever the political system is fine but the argument the book makes is that our society is a bureaucracy whose sole goal is to reproduce and to keep expanding reproduce bureaucratically they hate reproducing organically um and and the the one of the points he made is he said they will develop the most cynical schemes possible to keep the bureaucracy going and they normally do so by developing by attaching themselves to problems that won't fit that won't ever be solved so climate change if we actually build nuclear reactors this isn't a problem anymore yeah and uh same thing with like uh with uh ethnic minority ghetto communities if they want to keep them in a state of permanent dependence and one of the points he made that's very ironic is he said they are resentful of the white working class because the right white working class got wealthy enough that they no longer needed the bureaucratic left Italian and Irish Steel Workers aren't complaining about Protestant capitalism anymore um but the point where I'm trying to lead this is that the the cynicism of the left is something that I don't think a lot of people comprehend and this is a debate I've had for a long time where I think we're actually a profound profoundly non-moral Society if we have a war today I think it will be fought far more brutally than any war in the 18th or 19th centuries um maybe even more brutal than the Western Front in the world's Wars um because we have this very thin veneer of oh just be kind to everyone and just respect people but there's no actual built-in justification behind that there's no sense that if you do something wrong that's a front to God that you have pride as a man that you have to uphold and um that's true for both the right and the left and the left is thrown away any moral standards and I'd like to say that all of leftism is just a strategy to accumulate power for their constituents there's no ideology there it's just a rationalization and inside the right we are the right for people like you and I this is a beautiful historic moment because I see the right is developing something new and um we have the privilege of existing at that moment because we can basically decide which trajectory is the right takes between the very worst to the very best so I agree with that um and and and I think it's interesting when when it comes to um ascertaining like what motivates the left and like what what is the what is the moral foundation of the left you know I I once upon a time I would have said like okay it's it's Equity or it's equality or or whatnot but none of that really holds up none of that really holds up because once once equality has been achieved all of a sudden there's something else right and now it's Equity well what's equity right do you do you want equal you know equal outcomes is is that what's going to make you happy and what we found is that even if for some even if for some reason they were able to get that first of all the level of Oppression that would be necessary to achieve something like that is just horrendous to think about um and it and it's completely unattainable because the political Elites the ones deciding you know what what constitutes equitability would would still be turning out better than you know the people that were caiming toilets um but yeah to your point when when you look at it when again what is it they say systems um systems operate exactly the way that they were designed to operate the way they're supposed to operate to where it when I when I look at the left's motivations and when I look at the left's argumentation for what they want the reason why I see so many people peeling off from it right whether it's your Elon Musk or even to some degree like your your your bill Mars um you're an anakasparian starting to look at this going this is madness it's like well yeah because you were committed to certain ideas that were rooted in you know maybe maybe critical thinking maybe some sort of of objective moral code or at the very least you weren't you weren't offended by the concept and of of an objective moral code and so this was a question of whether or not does the does the data add up for what you're trying to do does this program work and if it doesn't you didn't necessarily have a problem saying okay that program didn't work maybe a different one will and you attach yourself to a political ideology that that is not what they hold to they they see everything through this lens I really think the only moral lens if you could even call that is oppressor versus oppressed but that just begs the question of okay well how do we determine whether or not someone's oppressed versus oppressed they have more well that doesn't even make sense because there's people on your side that have more so what what it really comes down to is you don't see them as a threat to accumulating political power and the moment you do see them as a threat to accumulating political power it doesn't matter what what their score is on the intersectional hierarchy of of victimhood right none of that matters anymore because now they're just a traitor and and we we had a perfect ex this there was this moment because I'd always I'd always kind of believe this in theory right what you articulated that this has really just become about the amassing of political power on behalf of constituents and nothing more no no coherence argument uh or or Foundation underlining it other than if our site has power that's good that's a moral good and I I remember sitting there and there was a gun Bill uh there was a gun Bill up with respect to you know I think it was register conceal carry or thing like that and um somebody pointed out one of the patrons pointed out because I had one version of the bill somebody and he goes you know a lot of these bills with respect to conceal carry were rooted in Jim Crow laws it was rooted in the idea that they wanted an arbitrary standard whereby they could issue concealed carry so that they could make sure their buddies had it and they could make sure the black Americans did it and you know hey this let's get rid of this vestage of Jim Crow and let's just say you know your second amendment rights Article 1 Section 13 of Virginia con Constitution says you have the right to conceal carry and um this one Advocate got up and was horribly offended that a white person would say anything about Jim Crow laws like how how dare we use this as an excuse to get rid of these necessary regulations to keep our community safe and so a black legislator said oh okay you need to hear it from a black voice okay I'm black you're going to hear it from me yes it's a vestage of Jim Crow yes it was absolutely used in order to make sure that people that look like me couldn't have a concealed carry permit and then I watched another black legislator a Democrat get up and said well this is why we say there's such a thing is skinfolk versus kin folk and it was like whoa wait a second wait a second you said the rules were uh you needed to you needed to be black you needed to have that lived experience to be able to talk about this particular issue he meets the criteria why does he no longer meet the criteria did he become less black did did he did he be did he have less lived experience is he incorrect with with respect to what he said no no no none of that mattered and they ended up hating him worse than they hate me because I'm already a bad guy right I'm I'm a white heterosexual male Christian like oh my gosh right but he is a traitor to them and that's where it was it was it was this Epiphany it was like I just saw this play out in real time in front of me all the thing all of the characteristics that he has that they say they care about that they say are meaningful none of it mattered the moment he wasn't propping up the political ideology they wanted and so the identity is not everything else over here the identity is the political ideology and it was it was just an amazing thing to behold ironically it reminds me of two videos I'm working on right now uh the video that I'm recording now is actually the anthropology of Karens and that sounds silly and it is but there's two really I like to look at silly things then analyze what the underlying point of them is but one of the big points of it is uh for the Karens and toxic femininity in general they pick a symbolic issue and they attack you on the symbolic issue but that's not actually what it's about if you're if if you call the police on your kids playing outside too loudly on their neighbors kids playing outside too loudly it's really about you envying that they have children or you envying they're slightly wealthier than you um and so it's picking these symbolic issues and then getting all worked up around them and and so the reality is that uh when you brought up this Jim Crow thing the reality is she just wanted to silence you and she was looking for any arbitrary justification to do so um and the second video I'm working on or I'll make soon is it's my first reaction video and I'm reacting to a Yuri bov video because I think he's insanely insightful and for those that don't know yorri bov was a Soviet expert and he was part of the Soviet Union's um subversion elements where they go to different societies and they try to subvert the local culture to destroy it and he went through this whole process of how you subvert a society and literally every single aspect is stuff happened in America uh where destroy people's free association so that neighbors or friends or people at church can't work together and cooperate with the government destroy the ability for labor and capital to associate destroy the religious power of the society destroy uh and then prop up Social degenerates and the one difference between uh what Yori bov said would happen and the reality and he said he he came out he he came out about this in the 80s and he said we've already educated an entire generation of leftists in about 20 years they're going to take over society and um a final Point here that's really interesting is he said you have to manufacture a four to six week crisis in order to get the population to give up their freedoms does that remind you of anything four to six weeks yeah they did better than that though um but the point that I'm trying to reach here is that if the the one difference in what Yori bman of outlined as his potential in the reality is that the people who he called the useless idiots won because uh the Soviets talked about Western leftists as uh useful idiots because if you actually went to the Soviet Union you would see that it was a profoundly socially conservative Society they banned abortion they banned homosexuality they were very masculine they were aggressive and they used um social liberals in the west as a tool to push their agenda but what happens after the fall of the Soviet Union is that the useful idiots became the ones in charge which is why the left is so insane today and I say this I've said this multiple times on your podcast the modern woke left is the stupidest movement in history and it's remarkable that it was created by a society that the chips in these phones are so ridiculously Advanced the same society that made this phone this beautiful piece of technology believes that reality doesn't exist and a man is a woman yeah yeah well it's you know Yuri bov um he talked about active measures and that was the the that was the direct um the direct efforts that the Soviets were engaging in through Academia through labor unions through arts and entertainment um and and they they did this all over the world and now look to be fair the United States was also trying to influence countries all over the world toward you know democratically elected governments and individual liberty as as well as other things right and and did and our strategy didn't always manifest itself and doing the best job of promoting those things a lot of times it was just looking for you know dictators that were anti-communist and but but one of the one of the most fascinating things that Yuri banov talked about was this idea that it's not something where you you are you're not looking for a KGB agent behind every you know tree that's not what it is it it it's about implanting a particular ideology and then understanding that that ideology will s replicate um and I I remember I remember talk when I was taking a college course on ethics within the intelligence community and this was at a time when all the discussion about things like waterboarding enhanced interrogation rendition right where you would capture somebody but I can't torture him but you know who can my Ally here you go can you hold on to this guy for 10 minutes and then tell me what he says right that that's a very water that's a very you know you know short version of what rendition was but effectively these were the moral issues that were being asked about in theti intelligence Community I remember telling my professor when he said what do you think is the most pressing moral issue um or ethical issue and I said it's postmodernism and he goes wait what what I said well think about it if if you raise an entire generation of intelligence Personnel or military personnel in a world where there is no such thing as objective truth right well then what you're left with is a kind of secular utilitarianism right you're you're left with whatever works and what works is heavily dependent on what how you want it to work and to what end do you want it to work and once you've given up on the idea of objective truth you've given up on the idea of objective morality and once you've given up on the objective morality well now morality is just some sort of like I don't know whatever maso's hierarchy of needs says as self-actualization for me right that's my ultimate moral instate and now anybody that stands in the way of that is my enemy or or a bad guy I saidwell of course if you raise a generation of people that actually believe that it's going to manifest itself in some pretty horrible stuff and I thank God I had a professor that actually thought hey that's really interesting go ahead and write it up right and and and he was very supportive of it I've had other professors that would not have been but it the reason why I tell that story is it goes to your point of we we keep a lot of times when we try to engage with the left we keep appealing to critical things thinking or um you know objective morality or objective truth and the reason why we keep doing it is because from time to time they will also engage in those things they they will also utilize those things to their benefit but that's the key they will utilize them to their benefit the moment they're not beneficial they have no problem throwing them overboard because their value was not in being some sort of objective standard which both of us could appeal to in order to arrive at truth their their their benefit was exclusively tied to does this help me accumulate political power yes I've had this discussion about 12 times with different conservative uh public figures and the the thing I keep on trying to have to remind people and I know you've already moved past this point is you just have to assume the left will never be your friends they will do anything to kill you and um you and we're past the point where you have to emotionally come to terms of it you just have to accept this yeah we don't have a year for you to go through a grieving process of because um a couple years ago I I actually did go through a pretty a relatively emotional process of realizing the world I thought I grew up in was not the world all the dreams that the dreams of The Simpsons world I had as a child is just not reality but then once you move past that and I see most conservative public figures are just stuck at basically complaining oh my God the left is so crazy um oh my God they're they're insane we can't trust them you have to move past that to actually figuring out what to do about it and you have to change your mental model from left wiers being um self uh self uh basically lost delusional people who still want what's good for society to being a power hungry Messianic cult and um I was watching uh I was watching my friends at the C ad podcast and they were covering the colia protests and I just found that that's one of the most telling things I've ever seen in a in a news video because have you watched the Columbia protest footage no they're insane I'll I'll send it over to you after this but um if I were to write a novel about what America would turn into if we were on the verge of a Civil War I would write exactly that protest because the left this were all marching together in unison shouting words in Unison they'd say stuff like you must have the revolution in your heart forever um you we must destroy the Imperial core so that the brown oppressed lands can be free and they said our enemy only speaks the language of genocide and everything left sets as projection and they say that our enemy only speaks through violence so when they say their enemies are doing something that's the point they've reached and um and I I was also watching this video of this Colombia student where the thing with the left is you often can't tell if they're male or female I think uh this person was a she um she was saying uh you know I'm not a violent person but if a Zionist were to stop me and a Zionist were to get in my way I don't know that I could stop myself from destroying them and the thing is I have a couple friends who are body language experts so it's a field I've gotten into the body language and tone of this person is terrifying where it's just a horror movie and the thing about the left is um when they say we want the revolution when they say we want Total power don't assume it's a teenager who's just laring and like being edgy to to to show off how cool they are assume they actually mean it because that's what their actions portray no I think that's when I when I talk and we always try to make a disting distinguish between leftists and liberals right because again when I when I look at someone like a um a Bill Maher um that's someone that I I disagree with veniant about about policy but he he still seems to be committed to certain underlying moral principles which allow for civil discourse and peaceful coexistence my problem with Bill Maher is that he doesn't seem to understand that a lot of the things that he has pushed for in the past has led to what he's what he's experiencing right now and I think that's what's happening with a lot of people that that would have called themselves more traditional not classical but traditional liberals is the well well we didn't mean for this like well what did you think was going to happen I mean for for years for decades bill marah is especially true of this you spent mocking people that were telling you that okay if you do this it will lead to this and it's like no no that's just a that's just a slippery slope fallacy like no a slippery slope fallacy is when you just simply declare that one thing will lead to another thing when you actually use historical you know historically relevant data to say gosh it sure does seem that when this happens it leads to this that's not a slippery slope fallacy and and the thing I wonder about this is this is why I mean I I have I have some sympathy but not a great deal is that okay Bill but have you learned that by doing X Y and Z have you learned by by ripping out any vesage of religious belief and just relentlessly mocking all of it as if it's all the same and it's all stupid and it's all worthless and it's led to more violence than anything do do you understand like Dawkins coming out and saying oh I'm a cultural Christian what do you mean by that oh I like Cathedrals and I like the beautiful music and I certainly like the idea that you should love your neighbor I just think all the other stuff is nonsense it's like well okay do you do you recognize that the the stuff that you think is nonsense was actually the philosophical underpinning of everything else that you enjoyed and then if you just RI that away you're you're not going to be left with the things that you liked you're going to be left with a power vacuum that is probably going to be filled by something far worse than what you decided to dismantle and that's the part where I I wonder like when I look at someone like a a a Tulsi gabard or Jordan Peterson I see someone that I feel that is a a lot you know farther down the path of recognizing that yeah when I was a committed socialist that was problematic and I might have been trying to address a problem um and I might have seen a genuine grievance But ultimately this was not the mechanism to be used and in fact by trying to utilize that mechanism I created something that was worse and now I'm fighting against it that's that's very different than somebody that is just oh well the left left me I didn't leave the left no man if if you don't understand if you don't understand the these steps that got us here and why the left has evolved into what it has well then I I'm just seeing someone that finds the the latest you know rash of insanity to be mildly inconvenient as opposed to understanding what cause the insanity the there are two kinds of people in politics there are the those who view it as an existential threat to their entire way of life and there are those who are basically laring and 85% of political pundits now are basically laring where they view it as a performance they do to demonstrate how they feel and they're and someone like a Bill Maher I don't think he has and even most pundits on the right I don't think Bill Maher has a concept that the political opinions he supports could result in everything he loves getting wiped out yeah and so he's just not playing the game as real as he has to and the reason the left won something I like to say is that in the postwar period all normal people were satisfied if it's 1960 you're a pretty free Society you're you're very you're very affluent by historic standards there's no famine there's no major Wars and the only people who were dissatisfied in the post-war consensus were they mentally ill and if you look at a chart of mental illness across Pol politics the far-left far-left young women have four times the rate of mental illness as any other demographic the mentally ill were those who had the incentive to actually organize and take the game seriously uh in the post-war period so that's why they won and I hope that the right will wake up to that and start to be more serious and secondly a video that I've had in the back of my head for the longest time uh and I I want to write at some point and I have way too many videos I want to work on is I think America today is in a war is in in a de facto war of religion between four religions Christianity Darwinism machine worship and Marxism and the reality is Christianity is the only one of those four that if you follow it allows the maintenance of individual rights because Christianity of those four is the only that believes in a soul and if you remove the soul within uh I I have a term I use called um Within life within a lifetime because lots of political Trends you drop them there and there's still a remnant of the older world and it takes generally lifetime like 60 years for an idea of logic to work through and so all the ideas of the 60s they're bearing fruit now and um and so after a lifetime your Society without Christianity would lose any freedom and of the three other ideologies because they don't posit a sense of the sacred they don't have any boundaries Against The Reckless use of power no I I think that makes sense um well and if you and if you look at it from the when you say the machine I I I assume you're talking about kind of like the the um Sam Alman AI peoplei The Singularity the idea of yeah um I think and and it's it's funny because Christianity seems to be the one world religion that everybody is allowed to essentially trash without any consequence um which I think is actually telling in and of itself but it it is this idea of do do you have do you at the base of your worldview do you have something that provides a foundational point from which to build everything else and like all of us are searching to some degree for meaning purpose love companionship um but but all of that has to rest on something which can actually logically provide it and I I I I think it's interesting who when when Jordan Peterson who's not a Christian was was doing an interview with somebody and they asked both of them I I think it was a debate it was more of a discussion but um I think the interviewer asked some question along the lines is is belief in God you know necessary and the one uh lady who was a secular atheist said absolutely not and and that will suffice for an answer and and Jordan Peterson said well you will believe in God the question is just who or what you know fills that role because it's a necessary component for explaining reality um and and I think as as we get to a point and we're we're we're seeing it now where the the same people that will tell you that there's no objective morality will will then create a a kind of um utilitarian morality which they will utilize any means necessary in order to insist that you comply with it to the point where again a a student will say something like I'm not violent but if I saw a Zionist standing right here it would take everything within me to okay well that sort of moral outrage usually has to rest upon something what is it and and the answer is is that same student you know whatever two years ago would wouldn't have even been thinking about this it would have been something else that she was GNA it would have been anti-trans activist right that she was going to beat or or whatever it was and and I do think I do think people like Bill Mah and I do think people in general I and I can say this for a lot of my um you know people I've served with and politics they they are they are operating off of an inertia and uh memories of something that they think are so inevitable um and and and and have done just such a good job proving themselves that there's no possible way that could actually be as bad as a lot of people are talking and and look I don't think we're going to break down into you know you Civil War and just brutality tomorrow I I think there's other conditions that have to be met in order to make something like that a reality at least on wide scale you might see isolated incidents of it as we have in places cities and Portland and Seattle and other places but but it for it to extend into something that's significant that that's massive um I do believe other conditions need to be met but I also look at some of my colleagues and I'm like you are not playing this like you think you are dealing with the same colleagues you had 20 years ago when you entered this body you are not like well but but they're but they're nice to me well yeah if you're not standing in the way of what they're trying to do right or you're not effectively standing in the way of what they're trying to do and they believe that they can co-opt you for portions of it they'll be happy to keep you around for as long as they see that as as valuable but but in the end dude this doesn't work out well for you and that just seems so that just seems so radical and and to some point you can if not excuse it you can at least understand it if you've grown up in a world where you felt like um and and I think one of the most ingenious things did that the kind of the the critical theorist the Neo Marxist you know the Herbert marcusa those guys what they did in the United States is they latched on to the civil rights movement because they actually found a very very legitimate grievance within the United States to associate themselves with and so I know a lot of people that that's how they associate this they they don't look it as oh that guy want is a communist or a Marxist they look at as no that guy just believes in tolerance and I remember when they were I remember when they were fighting for things that we all now take for granted as being Noble and good and just and so if they're fighting for this now we should at least hear them out on whether or not that's good and Noble and just as opposed to saying well okay wait a second was was their was their motivation when they were fighting for the things that we all now agree were good things was the motivation then Pure or was it driven towards something else is really what they were looking for is whatever grievance can be manipulated in order to amass political power and to your point and going back to kind of that initial question that we kind of let off with is like okay now now that we've talked a little bit about how the left has has evolved over the last several decades and the fact that again if you're not rooted in some sort of objective truth objective morality well then that leaves a lot of things open with respect to the sort of activities you would be willing to take you would be willing to engage in in order to achieve what you've convinced yourself or Noble aims what happens when all of a sudden you do have massive um massive populations within the United States that don't like each other do not see each other as their their fellow countrymen anymore they see each other as Traders and you have a hotly contested presidential election where we don't know who the winner is or one side is absolutely convinced that this was rigged and and just so nobody thinks we're saying that well of course the right will assume it's rigged I'm old enough to remember when the left assumed it was rigged in 2016 so let's not pretend that this is this is a um an ailment that only afflicts one side so what what do you see what do you see happening let let's let's go with something that we think is a realistic response is it is it people setting up more like chazes and and stuff like that in places like Portland and Seattle or San Francisco is it something bigger than that if it's on the other side is it is it the right um engaging in violence and how would that manifest itself what what do you see taking place this is an Afghan knife I have I'm going to use it to illustrate the point um so we exist at a hinge point in history in which there are lots of situations that can go in many different directions I think that in general we have to go for violence I think in the vast majority of circumstances that's what's going to happen um the question though is what happens with the election and I don't think either side will support the result of of the election because if I'm being perfectly blunt if the left wins this election I will assume that there was election fraud because the left has no incentive to not have election fraud because the right said that they did so last time so if they assume the right's going to think that they're going to have election fraud they have a much higher chance of doing election fraud um and the left views the right as completely illegitimate and so neither side really has the place to do anything but the thing exact moments in this calculation can tilt it towards Better or Worse circumstances um and I would see I think Chaz is the easiest answer because the left Lars really quickly yeah the left uh for they're much more emotionally invested and if you look at pre-war pre-World War II Germany the uh the Nazis weren't out in the streets they weren't protesting but when the right decides to go hard the right really goes hard and the left has a harder time actually uh going for things um and so the militias are to the right what protests are to the left um and so I can see militias forming for the right and I think the most and we spoke about this last time I was on your podcast the thing that I find most likely is uh a budget issue uh and I I if I were to attach odds I think 60% shot budget issue 15% shot 4 War where I I don't think it's unlikely that the Deep State tries to start a war as a way of partly getting rid of young men and also unifying the country and I think they're delusional enough to not realize how massively that would backfire um another thing is if Trump Goes to Jail that Trump going to jail is the number one thing that could expedite that this process where it if if Trump Goes to Jail in a month the right will view that as such a travesty that it's just not just justifiable um and and um so Trump election budget issues and the most likely chain of events is what happened with Texas where with Greg Abbott's decision and there were a couple things I saw with Greg Abbott's decision that just shocks me the first is how rapidly The Dominoes started falling down in which uh in which you can see how likely a historic event is to happen based off how many dominoes fall and how quickly because it demonstrates that the historic trajectory is there so that um there's like the force of history behind the event uh and so what you saw is within two days half the states in the country supported Texas yeah against the federal government and 10 states militarily supported Texas um and the the military part really was a snap a snap in my brain where I thought this is going to happen because these states are saying we militarily will fight the federal government and so in my opinion the most likely uh event is that there's some issue that they can't agree on a new independent government is formed in Austin that says that it's the real government there's a government in uh Washington DC or where wherever the left puts their Capital they probably have a couple um and so they both say that they're the legitimate government and then different states support different ones and then you hit flash points where as a Pennsylvanian there pania as a microcosm for this is a swing state it went um went it went Biden last time it's probably goingon to go Trump this time but as a Pennsylvanian uh the middle of the state would never go left the middle there's a joke in Pennsylvania there's Pittsburgh Philly and Texas in the middle or pencil Tucky and me and so I could see a state like Pennsylvania being a flasho and we have a a for my entire life I think Pennsylvania had a conservative legislature and a progressive governor and so you'd end up in situations where Shapiro the current governor he'd have his hands tied and conservative militias would form in the middle of the state and the progressives would try to uh link Philadelphia to New York and points like that are what cause Wars where Gaza historically should not be there the fact that there's this area the size of like a county that is an independent a country with 2 million people that is a historical aberration yet that complicated historical aberration caused a war in the Middle East yeah no I think it I'm a big believer that so again my co-host Christian he's a big believer that it's G to take a sovereign debt crisis right as long as the federal government can as long as the federal government can keep Social Security checks welfare payments going out and pay the military the the idea of like full-blown conflict is is hard to imagine in the United States and and I think there's some I think there's some truth to that I I think what but again I always like to talk about conditions and catalysts if if the conditions right now in the country is there's a great deal of mistrust between the two major political parties there's a great deal of mistrust between certain States and the federal government and then you have something where there really is a legitimate where both sides can claim legitimacy that their candidate won the presidency which which I think could be a very real reality this time around um and I I think you have a case where the left the left finds Donald Trump just so um I mean he he he is Hitler for them right and and they would feel like any sort of of actions that they would have to take to prevent him from getting power would be justified to save the save our democracy and that's the part where again I I think the Federalist model within the United States creates conditions which are very very different than what you would see in the UK or France or a lot of other places in the world that have more of a national level government as as opposed to like a federalist Republic the United States has built in you know to to its to our system the idea that we are a republic of republics and the question is always it's it's really really difficult to organize any sort of massive resistance off of you know militias popping up in random places around the country but if you do have a governor and a state legislature that says we don't recognize this that's legitimacy and that's power to Rally behind and when when we saw at the border where where Governor Abbott said we're going to do what we're doing and you can sue us but we're not moving that was one of those points where it's like okay this is this is really really close to Inner position like this is really close to this whole legal concept first articulated by Jefferson and Madison around the idea that you know it it it kind of fell out of favor during the Civil Rights Movement because of the inappropriate ways it was applied but there's still legitimacy without American history with this idea that no the States play a role of keeping the federal government in check and so you can imagine a scenario where you know again the Democrats just declare they they've won um they think enough early votes that came in in Philadelphia and New York City and you know places like that that you know swung Pennsylvania or or not New York City because New York's going that way anyways but um if you have it in if you have it in places like Philadelphia if you have it in places like Wisconsin if you even had it in places like North Carolina for instance these would be the sort of things where the right would now legitimately call foul and say no we don't accept it this is garbage and that I really think it's going to depend a great deal on who's governor and how much control do they have of their state legislature and then the the other question in this whole thing that I I don't think a lot of people think about but is actually really important is what do your sheriffs think um because again Sheriff's in a lot of places are either your your Chief constitutional officer and Sheriff a sheriff is a very very unique law enforcement position most countries don't have any sort of equivalent to a sheriff like a popularly elected constitutional officer Which is far more responsive to the people than simply somebody that's appointed by a city council or something of that nature um when you add all those things up I can definitely see certain States going look we're not seceding from the union we just don't recognize your Authority and then how does the federal government respond to that because I don't think the federal government's first response is okay let's launch the 82nd Airborne Division into Tallahassee right I don't think that's their first response but what do you what do you think let let's say that's the scenario the scenario is we are we are into we're going into January about to inaugurate nobody agrees on on on who the actual president is or the Congress we have contested Congressional elections so we don't even know who controls the House of Representatives um you know we we got questions on who can who actually controls the Senate at this point so you really do have that perfect storm of like chaos but you have major States claiming that well no the the voters have spoken and this is who the legitimate pres president is and now all of a sudden you have States kind of again you have Texas you have Florida you have you know maybe other states in between that kind of more ideologically and culturally aligned with those States saying no we we don't accept this um and you have the feds okay they've they've now insisted they've pushed through their inauguration of the president what what do you think happens at that point what do you think is the what do you think are the baby steps of what a a governor Abbott or a Governor Dan santis or let's let's not even use those names we'll just say governor of Texas governor of Florida what what do you think their initial response is to something like that I think Pennsylvania is also an interesting microcosm of this because I said before Pennsylvania conservative legislature Progressive Governor uh goes right or left Pennsylvania for reasons I don't fully understand also has the third largest national guard in the country which is recruited from pennil Tucky and so imagine Progressive Governor makes Pennsylvania go Blue yeah the National Guard would probably just Mutiny um and that creates more issues and so I think Shapiro would be stuck in a complicated spot where he probably knows this and so it it's equivalent to the the US Civil War where the governor of Kentucky and Kentucky is a border or was a border state in that context and he was constantly waffling yeah because he knew that no matter and Kentucky is also comparable is the eastern half of the state was Union supporting the Western half was Confederate supporting and so he was stuck waffling and if you want to look at the last Civil War as a proxy um South Carolina seceded first and then all the states that were culturally adjacent to South Carolina like Mississippi Georgia went with and then you have the struggle over border states and one of the things that I find very heartening is it appears to me as if the border states are tilting right now and this is an important distinction because however States like Nevada or Pennsylvania or uh Virginia go is important and so far I saw this really fascinating poll of support for Mass uh deportations of legal immigrants and it's ludicrous a majority of New Yorkers support it three quarters of Virginia support a third of Californians a third of people in Massachusetts 3 of Texans and um and so my what I think is happening is that the M the middle states are tilting right um and so the I think the right would get an advantage in Pennsylvania NADA that could be cope on my end because I am a biased uh player in this and people always overemphasize their side um but the biggest thing is the military where whatever Direction the military loyalties go will dictate this and in the military the top brass H are left leaning their woke appointments but the lower ranks of the military lean conservative and I'd imagine we haven't had polls for a couple years about this I'd imagine that it's gone further right because young men as a demographic have gone pretty hard right in the last five years well the other having having served 11 years an active duty and I I got out in June of 09 so it's been a while but um had a lot of friends stay into retirement and what not didn't but I a lot of friends did I the other thing too that I don't think people understand when they talk about the military is that they will they will discuss let's just take the Army for instance they will discuss the Army as if the the Army is like this block of people in the Army and it's like well well no you you actually you have your combat arms types so your combat arms is your infantry artillery um uh armor uh you have your combat support which would be like your MPS um you know to to some degree that there'd be other areas that would fall within that category and then you have what is considered to be um you know soft skill Moses right so military occupational skills clerks admin uh Judge Advocate General you know Cooks you know what whatever else so obviously we we have a huge logistical support train for the amount of infantrymen armor and artillery that we have within the Army but traditionally if you go to within an an infantry unit you're going to find find two types of of people that's it's usually they're they're going to consider themselves more right-wing culturally um and then you'll find and and I I would say it's almost probably you know we'll say 50% would just like right off the bat align themselves more with right-wing um another 3% would kind of or another like you know if we're taking 10 five are already rightwing they're rightwing that's how they they they vote the whole deal that's how they align themselves another two to three would probably be somewhere in the idea of like I don't really care but you know hey yeah I tend to be you know I'm more I'm more masculine I'm more you know patriotic the whole deal um and then you'd find some that just totally didn't care whatsoever or whoever gives me mine that's that's all I care about who's going to vote for a pay raise for the military and then you would have one that would be like no no I'm I'm more liberal um and that was that was my experience in in the uh late '90s 2000s in in the military if you weren't an if you were in an infantry unit that was probably going to be the the breakdown um once you moved into Special Operations it might be a little bit more nuanced um but it was still overwhelmingly right-wing overwhelmingly the rightwing like if if you were to go into a special forces Oda right now and out of those 12 guys and you forc them all to vote right because some of them would be like I don't care about politics but if you forced them all to vote the number of people that would probably vote for Joe Biden would would maybe be one maybe be one guy on the team um you know possibly two and then you might have some protest votes in there you'd have some people like I don't like any of these guys they all suck um but the the majority or at least the plurality of the guys voting would probably go for for Trump now again I'm not trying to speak on behalf of the entire Special Operations Community or SF or whatnot I'm just saying my experience was those of us that voted or were involved we almost always tended to be rightwing um and there was a there was a a healthy degree of of disgust for for you know this kind of you know feminizing men and stuff like that that's something that's just universally kind of despised within those so it's not just it's not a one for one right if you you might be able to go over to the logistical unit and find it's 5050 you might be able to go to a a a Jag officer or or a Judge Advocate General unit and find that it's it's 703 Biden the the problem is is that the the law clerk is not the guy storming the beaches right the law Clerk's not doing that it's your infantry armor artillery that's the combat arms and I would argue again my experience was that the combat arms was was overwhelmingly more conservative culturally um even if that didn't necessarily manifest itself in in a great deal of political interest um you're going to have a hard time convincing those guys yeah you you've got to shoot your fellow Americans because they won't give up their guns or because they don't like the last election result um but I I will say this and I think this is an important thing for for people on the right to understand you you can be more culturally conservative all day long you can still look at the the military and say that but there's also there's also a big issue here when it comes to I got to protect my family I got to protect my you know where where's the legitimacy and is there anywhere I can point to where I can say that okay it makes sense for me to not obey that order because of this and just not liking an election outcome is not sufficient to do that you're going to have to give him somewhere to go and that's why I think the the Federalist model is so important because yeah I imagine myself as a young paratrooper I'm a I'm a 20-year-old paratrooper in the 82nd Airborne Division and someone comes in and tells me hey guys the president has ordered us to do X Y and Z I don't like the president but I swore an oath to uphold all lawful orders so at what point as a 20-year-old am I saying I'm not going or I'm going but going to subvert what we're actually doing or I'm not going to be a willing participant and one of the things I would have been looking around on that platoon is how many guys are standing up saying this is bull crap I'm not doing it how many of the ncos do I respect that are saying I'm not doing it do I have a lieutenant that's going to say I'm not following this order sir you know that th those are all questions that I could see taking place within those units and where your non-commissioned officers fall in at on that is going to be incredibly important um on whether or not again that 20-year-old paratrooper decides they're going to carry out what may very well be an unlawful order and and again let me just throw out all the usual caveats I don't want any of this to take place I don't want any of this to take place I fought Wars so my kids wouldn't have to um but it it is an interesting conversation as things do become more unstable it begs the question so so where do you see um so having said all that let's just say it it does go to that degree do you think because I I don't think that Joe Biden or let's say you know Biden is out and Nome is in you know nome's president now I don't see Nome going to the military as as first option I see him looking for ways to um essentially punish states that are not recognizing him through you know uh okay fine you don't want to recognize me as president then you don't get your you don't get your funding for your roads um and making it difficult on those citizens and then trying to work within you know the citizenry within those states to kind of force compliance um and you you've talked a lot about this and I think it's important the the importance of maintaining legitimacy how do you think uh you know a Democrat president that is not seen as legitimate by certain powerful states how do you think they try to create legitimacy for themselves while at the same time undermining the legitimacy of any state government that would push back you brought up a lot of great points so I'm going to go after each of them in short uh in short continuity the first of which is that looking at previous uh revolutions or Civil Wars the most important demographic to determine the Loyalty of the military is what the low ranking officers do uh people like sergeants lieutenants uh Colonels aren't low ranking but they're they're less than generals um but those people the men tend to trust them more than they trust the ad of the generals uh because they're identifiable and so for the French and the Russian revolutions those guys basically said we're not doing this we're on the side of the Revolution um the second point is that I grew up about an hour outside Philadelphia rural area one of the most important swing areas in the country and in the area I grew up in uh it's 10% card carrying libertarian at least when I check the statistics last and if you ask people their politics they'll say stuff they'll say stuff like I'm an old like I'm a classical liberal I'm an old school I'm a I'm a bluez Democrat I'm a constitutionalist uh I'm a I'm a Libertarian all of these like pseudonyms for I am actually a conservative but I don't want to I don't want to jump on board of people in the Bible Belt yeah and I think that demographic will they're an important demographic to figure out who's going to win the civil war because especially in the Rust Belt of the part I live in Texas now but in the part of the country I'm from the rustbell is a population larger than Germany's and it's the swing area in America and um I think places like up Ohio Pennsylvania Upstate New York uh they they will be an important swing if this conflict happens and um the thing that really pisses off that area is that once you leave the cities the Rust Belt is like 90% white and so if you try to play a racial agenda in part of the country and these are racial agendas invented by people in California or New York City is it's just great you have doomed EV my entire area yeah uh and so I think playing racial politics was a big thing uh because roie Wade was something that turns off that area and racial politics and especially the left's complete lack of empathy with de-industrialization is what why I think that area is going to tilt right and especially so young men uh in that area and if someone had gone back to the left 10 years ago and explained to them what the smartest strategy would be I think the left could hypothetically have won they would have to play more of a class agenda and this is an era where a lot of people are struggling financially and so if the left had gone for an angle more so of we support the working classes we support poor people who are struggling I think they could get more support but the reality is the left has become so classist that they view those people with complete contempt um and and you dropped a couple different questions what was the final question you asked again the question of you know assuming that you know a a contested president is trying to again they're they're trying to increase their legitimacy with people that can be convinced and they're trying to undermine the legitimacy of any state governments that would push back against it again I I don't think the first move is drop the 82nd into Tallahassee or Austin um I don't think that's the first move what do you think would be the first move yeah um yeah I thought about that as you said that and my answer is the left is incredibly good at psychological manipulation it's in fact the only reason they're successful because the left is super good at figuring out what emotional Hooks and Crooks they can manipulate people with and the guilt and shame and all that stuff um and so that's how they get power and they succeeded in a wealthy era in which actual survival wasn't anyone's top priority it was looking good to your peers yeah and the thing is that the left is obscenely bad at actual strategy or R PTI in that um if you dropped a modern leftist and had them play a strategy video game they would have no idea what they're doing but they're very good at getting people in the school cafeteria to hate the weirdo um and and so the left makes all of these massive strategic miscalculations that I just can't believe they're doing and I don't think the left realizes everything in the left this Paradigm today is built upon the assumption that the other side will never use Force yeah and that for example defund the police my personal belief is that the the the plan behind defund the police was to remove any ability for the left to do crazy things inside blue States and because the thing is coming from Philly black people are the people who need the police the most because they live in neighborhoods where if there's no Law and Order they become they move from nearly uninhabitable to completely uninhabitable um and the re then they use black people as a casus belly to uh to remove and to remove any accountability inside their states so once you've removed the police people want uh the new leftist Brown Shirts to protect them in New York City because once the police are gone the left creates uh these creates political partisan militias to Pro to bring Law and Order yeah and so what I think happens is that once this occurs the left will just waffle and they'll be like what did that happened the right can't use physical Force yeah like what's going on here uh and I think they'll they'll try to cope with really ineffective Solutions like what you said where they'll say hey Texas we're not going to give you a pension fund anymore and Texas they'll be this is number 95 on our priorities because the right and the left their worldviews are so different that the left projects everything the left says as projection and so when they say things that the right they're really saying things about themselves and so they will project what would work for them onto the right and the right will just laugh at them yeah and I've said before that if there is a Civil War I don't think the left can survive because I look at these protests and uh with the Columbia protests or the protests in UCLA an interesting Factor is that they always they use a racial cast system for leadership where they'll use like a they'll use a young black lesbian woman and make her the leader yeah uh but that's not a meritocratic system and it's crazy to read it's crazy to read uh the lists of Demands that uh that the kids at Colombia were writing and these are kids who are my age um and they say like no alcohol uh you're not allowed to have sexual relations you're not allowed to do drugs you have to respect people's boundaries no misgendering people no triggering and if I were to do this and of course for all those listening I will not launch a revolution if I were in their shoes um I would just bring a bunch of beers and I I wouldn't make all those rules yeah because I I need an incentive to keep these people to stay around and the thing is that the hard men who make good soldiers are also the kinds of men who do not have hyper sensitivity about bizarre rule sets because if you have to fight in a trench for two days where you're covered in and there's flies everywhere you're not going to care about if you're misgendered yeah yeah well and I I I found it interesting on Old Miss and on UNCC Chapel Hill where two frats two fraternities get out there and kind of launch a counter protest one standing up in in defense of the flag being trying them attempting to move the American flag and they raised like hundreds of thousands of dollars for their fraternities practically overnight and one of the things that uh that I think signaled to me was first of all if if you're a fraternity I I can't see one of these fraternities doing this two or three years ago yeah uh they would have been quiet they would have if anything they would have done some sort of you know they they either would have shut up completely or they would have written some sort of milk toast letter on behalf of theity fraternity and support of whoever they were told the oppressed victims were right and that would have been it they would have just kept their head down and weathered the storm but you you saw more of them now standing up and going no this is crap and and not only am I going to stand up to it I'm gonna mock it right because I'm just done and they were rewarded for it they were rewarded for it which means other people watching this in other campuses are recognizing oh we're not alone and thinking this is insanity yeah and and so I think more young men and this was predominantly young men right these were fraternities I think young men are starting to recognize that when when we talk about all of the culturally shaping institutions that have been aligned aligned against masculinity masculinity or conservativism or or what what else um I think young men are starting to realize you are also a culturally shaping institution and you don't have to put up with this crap and once they start to recognize this in force I think it I think it could actually be enough to stop a violent act from taking place because I think they're going to be shocked to find out how many allies they have I think they're also this is the part where again my my co Christian kind of disagrees with me on this on some level but I think they're also going to recognize how many young women out there actually appreciate the fact that young men are standing up going this is nonsense and we're not putting up with it it's just that again if you're a young woman and you feel isolated in a group or you've been told you're supposed to hate these guys and you're supposed to love the dude that wants to put on a dress and go in and compete on your you know volleyball team and you're thinking this is crazy I don't like it but I don't want to be I don't want to be shunned I don't want to be socially ostracized where would I go what would happen to me I think the more young men that stand up and say this is crap and we're not putting up with it I think the more I think young women will also respond to that and if you if you merge those two things together that's in incredibly powerful socially yes uh the left has done something profoundly stupid which is they've removed any incentive for cooperation among young men and so these young guys uh at College they would four years ago five years ago they think I'm not going to do this because I'm not going to get hired at a job if I if I do so they're not gonna get hired anyway anyway all the corporations have gone over for Dei hiring so if you're a young guy those companies aren't going to hire you anyway so what's the point and the left has done that in a bunch of different ways uh and they've just removed they've if you're a young white man they've removed social mobility and so there's no reason to not defect and uh the left has no comprehension of that which just it always continues to shock me um and for young women and this is my general question at this entire topic and I don't want to get into this for too much depth uh if Mouse Utopia is true then that won't happen but if Mouse Utopia isn't true it will and um I don't know how deep you wanted to get want to get into that yeah I mean the whole concept of mouse Utopia and again this is if you ever wanted to see a really good video on Mouse Utopia and explain it go to what ifal is and watch watch rudyard's on on Mouse Utopia because I probably watched it a couple times and I had I had known what the experiment was before I watched um your analysis of it but I found your analysis really intriguing so just to give everyone a quick overview so we can kind of talk about how this ties in Mouse Utopia was essentially an experiment and and what's interesting about it too is that it was an experiment that was run multiple times under similar conditions um where they essentially provided this wonderful environment where the the mice had everything they could possibly need right there was there was no need to struggle there was no challenges to overcome and you would think that okay in such an environment then this is going to be wonderful and all the mice are going to get along and they're going to procreate and they're gonna no it it descended into absolute you know chaos uh and and again to the extent that you can apply this word to the Animal Kingdom like gangs of mice going around murdering the mice that we're still trying to engage in what we would consider to be you know societally reaffirming you know uh attributes or actions but you can probably describe it better than I can but why do you think that an environment like that U well why do you come to the conclusion that if mous Utopia is true that won't happen if it isn't true it will so with mous otopia the female mice became masculine male mice became a feminite you would crows of autistic uh mice that couldn't socialize you would gangs of sociopathic mice who would kill others um and I look I'm constantly comparing our era of History to other eras of history and there's a couple parallels to our era which don't really exist in previous eras and one of it is the just the insane collapse of the birth where uh if current trends continue there will be four Koreans or six Koreans four Koreans for every hundred Koreans alive today at the end of this Century there's no historic parallel to that the current degree of feminism no historic parallel the West trying to commit civilizational suicide degrowth and uh I like to say that there are a lot of my channel is discussing two independent crises our society has and those two are the political Civil War crisis I've talked about and the second one is the population Mental Health crisis yeah and I think these would have happened independently of the other and so if we are going to use the logic of the rest of History what would happen here is the right wins and this is a really redpilled statement but you can determine who is in power in your Society based off who young women support young women will always support the most powerful party in a society and one of my favorite history books sex and Power in history by Amor janor he said that um in most societies young women are the most conservative element except in revolutions once the revolution gets strong enough young women are the most vifer supporters of the Revolution and so what happens once um if the right wins and if young men band together if we were a normal society you would see young women move to further to the right the worry I have with mouse Utopia because we've had a handful of variables that don't make sense normally historically but do make sense in the context of mouse Utopia is that if Mouse Utopia were to happen you might just see the right lose and you might just see women never reintegrating back into the society people not having children ever and that would be if we were to follow the experiment just the complete breakdown of American society and I really hope that's not true and I think that we need to take we need to start taking action and planning for if that's the case and doing stuff so that that doesn't occur I um let let me I'm going to throw out this scenario to you and I'm going to do this as a a best case scenario because I do think we're going to go through some pain and I don't think there's any way to avoid that I don't I don't think there's I don't think there's any scenario where with an election cycle we're just oh you know what that was some craziness but let's move on from here I don't think that happen um so assuming there's going to be some pain best case scenario that I can see is that if you had like a major contested election like we were talking about you have states starting to push back but nobody's no no's trying to nobody's trying to run full full force into secession or open conflict or whatnot I could see a scenario where people start to geographically self sort in a very very meaningful way so it's I'm not moving to Florida because it's sunny I'm moving to Florida because they're not going to allow this insanity and I want to help them not allow this Insanity by the same token you're going to have people going I'm leaving Texas because they won't allow me to trans my kid right right so I'm going to California and so you see a geographical self- sorting that takes place where now you actually engage in what the states were meant to be on some level which was Laboratories of democracy or in this case it would be far more cultural Laboratories taking place where I think you could you could provide a relatively safe safe and stable environment where again young women living in that state you know getting married younger or whatnot or whatever it is say yeah I I I like the I I want to be a mother I want to run a family doesn't mean I don't want to you know do things professionally or whatnot but I have I do not share the animosity toward men or toward motherhood that these other women do and I want to go to the place where that's going to be rewarded not punished socially if not legally right I could see a geographical self- sorting take place where the bottom line is we have more kids we take control of our educational institutions um and over time what you get is again a a cultural conflict that takes place which is far more peaceful doesn't mean it won't have its its spark UPS or its flare ups doesn't mean there won't be times where it engages in violence but it's more seen as this area where if you don't like it here there's the state for you yes and the question would be is and and the only way for that to take place is if the federal government was essentially impotent enough to not be able to truly like Ram home its will yeah and that would I think what that's going to require is something that we saw in Texas that was a baby version of it I think it's going to take more of a blowup where you have a block of states that say look we're not seceding but this is the way we do things in these states and we're not accepting any Challenge from the federal government on it we're not depriving anybody of essential civil liberties right but we're not we're not transing the kids down here and we're not forcing our citizens to hand over their guns and if you're going to try to do that by stacking the Supreme Court or passing some sort of federal law we will directly intervene and essentially the federal government box that's a great question and the the problem with that scenario is it involves the left not being the left because the left can't allow there to be conservative States because the conservative States would beat the left yeah and I don't think that's political bias on my part because it's happening in time compare California to Texas um even like Pennsylvania P Philadelphia is the only city in the Northeast with a growing population now uh and that's because Pennsylvania is a swing it's the only state in the Northeast that's not blue um but the left is all about removing competition so that no one can see how much they fail and so look at the Soviet Union where they had to totally split off contact with the West yeah and that's the case with the with the left right now and Orin McIntyre said the side which wants to be left alone will be beaten by the side that wants to totally Dominate and the scenario pause that it would work if if all of American politics were just people right of Center because that's the 19th century and if you look at America in the year 1820 the ethnic differences between let's say South Carolina and Massachusetts were larger than that between many different Europe countries and America was fine with that because there was this concept people in Massachusetts are different from people in Virginia Virginians are different from pennsylvanians and that's okay we can live our own lives because Pennsylvania sorry America then was a country that would be entirely right libertarian on the political Compass today yeah um but the left won't let that happen and frankly the left can't survive another 20 years if because you look at leftist institutions they constantly cannibalize themselves and so they uh the left needs to destroy the right to not feel ashamed for how much they're failing and so they will attack the right as a form of unifying against their own intractable social issues and you look at California today or uh New York or those States at best they are going to be the new Rust Belt um and at worst it'll be social collapse and either way it's not a stable equilibrium I I the the thing that you pointed out there that I really like was this idea that the left has to fight the right because it's actually what provides them any semblance of social cohesion yeah and and and that is a I think that's a very profound way to put it because we talked earlier about how politicians at time throughout history would say War abroad is peace at home well for the left war against us is peace within their ranks because the moment they don't have us and is true we see this all the time where you can look at you can look at groups that us that used to be within favor within the left who no longer are who don't hold the same level and a lot of it's due to cannibalization or infighting um and so it it is it is a that's a great way to put it and one that I hadn't really thought out before was the idea that they have to fight us because if they're not they're going to kill each other yeah and I was visiting some leftist relatives for Thanksgiving they were talking about why they disliked the right and I what I said is that literally nothing you criticize the right about is true where they said how could you support homophobia and I said I know basically no one on the right who's homophobic yeah and if they are it's like a relatively passive belief where it's like the 50th most important thing for them uh and and or like Christian nationalism the left has turned that into a bogey man but I literally know very few people identify as Christian nationalists they may be Christian and Nationalist and if Christian nationalism becomes a political ideology it'll be it's because of opposition to the left the left if you ask someone someone in New York City I'll say they'll say Ohio is like a crap hole Yeah you go to Ohio it's a pretty boring place but there's a way better quality of life in Ohio than New York City people there are still French restaurants and Vietnamese restaurants uh there uh people live in big houses they drive cars the streets are paved and so the left has to create this bogey man of the right which isn't true and the irony though the left one of my friends describes leftism as a form of autism where everything has to fit into their pre-established mental bracket and um and so the great irony is that the American left the American right is very moderate by historic standards yeah and so they treat the American right like they're fascists and then they worship the Taliban in Hamas and it's they people say it's irrational but it is so rational that it's totally rational and that they're rationally deciding just to do the exact opposite of what makes sense as a to just troll the society yeah well if if doing if if doing what makes we put it this way if if using logical consistency is harmful to your political objectives then it's completely rational to abandon logical consistency or try to come up with some reason why it's immoral or wrong or a tool of the patriarchy or whatever whatever else um yeah I I find it uh I I I I wonder um so essenti essentially what you're saying to kind of to kind of wrap up that that previous thought where I was I was trying to come up with maybe a positive scenario um but I I I think you are right in so far as when we the the left that we have described um absolutely has to have the conflict with us and um and and I think the right I think many elements within the right are starting to wake up to the idea that there there is no form of of capitulation you know the hegelian dialectic only works in their favor um to where if if you're not going to just stand up and oppose it and draw the line in the stand and say this is it so if you want to fight let's fight and I and I that is I I think we're at that point because what else do we possibly what else do we possibly give up on I remember telling um a friend of mine who's also been very very involved in political Theory and politics and whatnot and and political Trends over time and I think it was two three years ago um I said watch I said you're going to see prominent elements on the left holding up pedophilia something that we just need to understand and then we need to work through and then within five years it's going to be something or within 10 years it's going to be it's going to have its own symbol on the flag it's going to have its own float in the parade and he's like Nick that's too far and it wasn't two years later that we were talking about Minor attracted persons and we need to understand that this is this is you know I said because everything is a good first step I I once asked somebody I said okay reparations like I am sympathetic to the idea that if somebody has harmed you they owe you reparation I said now I think it's a very difficult to apply that model to a bunch of people that weren't directly harmed by something and and punishing people that had nothing to do with the impli or the uh implementation of the thing that harmed your ancestors but let's have the discussion and if you want to have the discussion here's what I want to know what are people who didn't actually do anything wrong or directly benefit getting what are they paying for if they do reparations because if you told me that what this one-time reparation payment would would mean is that to the extent that we have done everything we possibly can as a country and as a people to make amends for slavery and we can even extend it to like Jim Crow and things like that we've done everything we possibly can to make amends it's not to say that we sto teaching about slavery or Jim Crow or warning about in the future or telling the stories or praising civil rights leaders but no more racial set acides and nobody gets to tell my children that they are somehow responsible anymore nobody gets to do that right so if if what you're telling me is is that we can now um close the door on this chapter in American history to the extent that we don't forget about it but we no longer project that evil onto somebody else if you if you told me that's what reparations were I'd be willing to have the discussion on on how much to who who qualifies who pays I be Happ but I know it would happen and and it was funny because nah Turner tweeted it out she goes reparations are not crazy it's a good first step first first step it's a good first step so there's been no step between slavery and today right this is the first step which told me that again the moment you get it something else will become the new first step and so to to that extent it yeah it does we are at a point where the right needs to recognize that there there is I I can't think of a single compromise anymore with the left which doesn't which doesn't equal them getting something they want at our expense and then the Overton window immediately shifting to whatever the last compromise was to being the new standard and now we got to move from there and and I don't I don't know that I don't I don't think the political right um is all the way there yet I think Donald Trump probably represents something along those lines and I was never when Trump first ran for president I I was a ran like I'm more of a ran Paul Thomas Massie guy that's me but I one of the things I appreciate about Donald Trump among the things I don't appreciate is that I think he understands and he sees the the fight for what it is yeah and more and more I'm looking around for people on the right to say do you see the fight for what it is and I don't know I I don't know to what extent people are waking up to that it's there was some really cool synchronoscope yeah I've been a map maker for a decade and they're just and they're they're just trying to destroy my community they're appropriating from the map the map maker Community for their Maps um but it's it's remarkable and the one of the biggest messages I give to anyone on the right is the left's main goal is suicide their main goal is to kill themselves um and the reason they hate the right is the right will keep them from killing themselves they the left is incredibly pitiable actually they they they loathe themselves they they hate every single aspect of themselves they if they left as a person they would break the mirror in their house they wouldn't have to look at themselves anymore and they the question is the left will kill itself what do they destroy in the process and I don't want the right one of the the really sad Trends I see is a lot of the right is taking up trends that the left the right is taking up psychological trends that the left has as it fights the left what do you mean by where there's lots of stuff such as um the right has is developing a victim complex it's developing identity based off racial identification where your your blood determines uh determines who you are and your status they're developing the idea that big government uh should solve issues that you're that of communitarianism uh and all those sorts of things which are cycle the furthest right people actually or psychologically not that different from the left it's just that they think uh they base it upon National identification not oppressor oppressed identification yeah and the thing with maps is about a year ago I predicted that maps by now would have gone culturally mainstream and I was incorrect in that and it's taking longer but the question is in what Manner and how long does it take for map or minor attracted people person to actually become something they teach about in schools because they're edging around it it's like they're trying to do a sunu go move of surrounding every possible place around minor attracted person and then seizing it because they know it's taboo and I was visiting the Museum of Civilization in Quebec uh about six months ago and it was all targeted for children it was all stuff like sex and me a child's book or uh it was all these various sexual topics for children or babies guide to dress bag it was that that wasn't actually a title but there were like 10 different titles for that targeted at children and I didn't believe all the grooming stories up to a certain point until I saw a certain critical mess and I thought all this stuff is real it's just insane um and the thing with the the pedophilia that scares me is you look over history pedophilia is the last point a degenerate Society will reach the Greeks did it it was big in Islam during their decadence it was big in 17th century Japan and it's they there's probably some unan symbolism in there with the left wanting to destroy any sense of childlike innocence and just be completely jaded uh but my hope and if this doesn't happen it'll destroy my faith in the American people is that once the left gets to pedophilia that's the thing that will totally nuke their movement and if that doesn't happen I don't know yeah no it there um because I it is the ultimate symbol of innocence and and I and I feel that a large part of that has been degraded through abortion and the way we talk about abortion now um but when when you look at when you look at a lot of the the key philosophers around everything from critical theory to existentialism to postmodernism you know your your fos your Belvo your um and then and then you look at the I think it was the letter signed in 1977 right um glad you brought that up yeah that was that was a request to um roll back cons or roll back um basically the legal age with respect to to sex with minors and and the argument by all these prominent feminists existentialists postmodernist critical theorists was this idea that this was another again it wasn't child abuse this was a form of of sexual Liberation it was removing these archaic patriarchal fundamentally Christian views of sexuality and replacing it with this new Norm that was all about experimentation exploration um and again they they they would argue that it was actually on behalf of the child and you look at something like that you're like how could anybody believed something like that was appropriate and I I fired back I'm like what are you talking these are the people that have taught your children philosophy at at the most prestigious universities in the West like every single one of the people I mention I guarantee you is a part of at least on some degree the general education of probably at least 50 to 60% of the students probably 80 to 90% of of the Liberal Arts students and then if you did anything with studies in the title I guarantee you you've been reading these people's theories on Humanity philosophy sexuality and I I agree with you it's it's one of those points and again if you're looking for another video to watch on the whole concept of discuss and how it motivates societies I encourage you to go to what ifal and and look at his video on that because um that is the point where if you want to see what drives people again to being willing to pick up the weapon and say I will not permit this it it is it is so it is so outside of the norm it is so outside of any standard of morality and decency that it has to be eradicated it has to be eliminated because the moment you accept any aspect of it the moment you accept any sort of normalization of it you will accept all of it um and it's and it's only a matter of time and and again so much of the gets pushed on to the kids if you look if you want something that is entirely socially taboo today to be mainstream tomorrow you use the schools you use the schools to do it because that's because again if if an elementary school student doesn't know the difference um it's another reason why I I I tell people all the time like look I I understand that people have different Financial considerations something else but if you are vooty bacham said this the best where he said you can't send your kids to Caesar for their education and be surprised when they come home as Romans um and it's true it's a great concise way to say that if you've outsourced the the the moral teachings of your for your children to a government institution well don't be surprised when they come pack repeating whatever the government institution has said are the moral precepts um it it reminds me of a point that I thought i' bring you up an hour ago but our society builds its political calculations off best possible conditions well wise societies do off worst possible conditions for the founding fathers they thought let's build a country where if the governor of North Carolina was the most evil person possible everything else in the system would block him in our society with all these institutions formed a hundred years ago we thought if teachers maintain their current moral level this will be fine forever problem they set up incentives for teachers to just act in a completely self-interested way um and it's yeah it's just I I I've said it's remarkable before but it's still true and the the thing with the left is and this is a a theme the Bible covers very well that I don't see in modern psychology is it's very easy to get people to the point where they actively hate what is good and they do what is the opposite of good for the sole purpose of that yeah and that's an element of psychology the Bible touches on that most of that modern psychology doesn't want the touch where when um the Israelites are circling the golden calf it's because they feel resentful of the god of Abraham uh and all the prophets talk about all this evil Behavior that's being done because it's evil and for the left they fundamentally resent the reality that they have to live in the world and so they effectively push for maps in my opinion to spite God and they wouldn't say God they'd say like oppressive patriarchal structure but they're not angry at men they're angry at the world and that men and that men have to create a social structure that reflects the world um and that's what their pure nihilism is and that's why they're committing civilizational suicide no yeah I think it's interesting that uh sa Alinsky dedicated the first uh the first edition of his Rules for Radicals to Satan right it's like this shouldn't this just should not surprise us at this point I I think I will tell you I think one of my biggest frustrations is with friends that I have that um are are are still you know liberals they still identify as as progressives and and I'll look at them and I and you know it's difficult to have these conversations and maintain some sense of like friendship and so you you typically don't bring it up right but every once in a while I just kind of look at him like do you do you understand that this is the direction your site is going like do you do you fully understand that and when they do like you're going to look at me now and say I'm crazy and maybe I am maybe I'm crazy maybe this will never happen but when they do will you remember this conversation and think I promised him at that moment it would never happen and then if it did I would never go along with it and then ask yourself did it happen and are you going along with it um look anyway this has been I could go on for I could go on for another you know hour or two easy I I'd love to come back at some point because there was again one of the videos I really wanted to talk more about and and kind of um contextualize was the idea of the video that you did on you know you are not Expendable and a video specifically to young man explaining how important that was because a as we have said repeatedly during this entire conversation of what happens with societal breakdown what does it look like what are the conditions what are the catalysts we've we've reinforced every step of the way that we we don't want the bad version of this to take place and we certainly don't want the bad version of the right-wing backlash but that means we need to a whole another discussion at some time and I hope you'll be you'll be willing to come on and do this again this was a pleasure invite me back when you're free yeah I'd love to talk about okay so what sort of because let's face it a as the right is starting to fully recognize the fight as young men are starting to fully recognize the fight they're being offered very different ways to fight it and one of those is leads us straight down to a road to hell and one of those I think could actually lead to Rejuvenation and Renaissance so well once again rard uh tell everyone where they can find you on social media I have the YouTube channel W ifal his uh all my content is free there um and so check it out thank you for having me pleasure thanks R you take care