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John McAfee's Life and Death

So this is how John McAfee actually died. I want people to know John which is the same thing that they said about Ebstein. It it must have been some pretty damning information for that level of hunting. That's the best way I can describe it. It was reported that John died of um self harm and and when they found him that he was he was actually dead in his cell. But that's not true. So what happened after he died? There was an investigation that the prison opened up. The prison itself opened up an investigation into his death, which from what I was told is not the standard procedure. So they they did the investigation and what happened was John was actually alive when they found him. I got to see a little bit of security footage. The guard come, John's door was open, a crack, and you see the security guard kind of wave, you know, trying to get someone to open the door. So apparently he was found um can I say hanging? Yeah. From the window in in his cell and this was from like a a sheet or something or no the shorings sho strings were around his neck and when they found him he had a pulse and he was breathing. Uh breathing was shallow. Uh the pulse was faint but still he wasn't dead as it was reported. And so what happened next was they brought his body into the hallway and they called in the medical response team to come and do whatever it is that they do. And so for over 10 minutes or so, they're performing CPR on him. So they're doing chest compressions and they've got this, you know, the bag over his mouth and they're giving him oxygen. But it wasn't until I looked at the pictures of the sale and and John, you know, after everything, right? So they put him back into the cell and they took pictures and everything that I understood what actually happened because in the pictures the noose was still around his neck. They put him back in the cell. Yes. Okay. So the noose was still around his neck which means when they performed CPR on him the noose was around his neck. And so as medical professionals, you know, um I I took a little bit of medical training and so I know you're supposed to clear the airway. And so the fact that they didn't remove the the sho string from around his neck just informs you of what exactly happened there because how how can you save someone's life when you're not giving them the life saving measures that they need by clearing the airway. So this is how John McAfee actually died, right? And so this is what I I want people to know um about the situation. It it seems strange that they would one put him back in the I don't know why you'd put him back in the cell. Like if you to removed him from the cell, why put him back? Well, they removed him from the cell to perform because there was a four people that came to do, you know, this work on his body. There was like a lot of um they're not security, but a lot of the guards are the guards from the prison were you see all of this on the video footage um were standing around. So, I guess to have more space, they brought him out and right in front of the door of his cell, they brought him out and laid him on the floor and did their their work. No, I understand taking him out. I don't understand why why they put him back. Yeah. Like you put at that point you think, okay, well, he's deceased. Let's place him on a structure. Let's go ahead and move him to the hospital, the morg him in his cell. Yeah. and leave the sho strings around his neck. You know, whether they say whether they would say because they they might say, "Oh, no, no. We just wanted photographic evidence that he died in the cell and that it was as a result." Like, I'm sure there's a reason they're going to say why they did that. But it's still strange. It It feels like you're staging it. Yeah. You don't need to stage it if it's I don't need to stage something to help um verify that I found this person in a cell. I just tell you I found him in a cell. We pulled him outside. We we moved to put him back. It almost seems it seems odd. It just that seems odd questionable. Well, the whole thing always seemed odd. And I don't know uh I don't know a ton about the case. And typically when I think I know a lot about a case and I'm talking to the person who actually knows, I realize, wow, I didn't know anything about the case. But, you know, I just always thought it was super odd and and maybe this is wrong that he had that prior to them finding him that within a few days he had texted or tweeted, was it whatever it was, he'd sent a message out saying that he wasn't, you know, wasn't thinking of ending his life, harming himself. He wasn't he wasn't in, you know, depressed. He wasn't this wasn't wanting to rage quit as I've seen some people comment. Um so what actually was happening when he was in prison I was tweeting for him. Okay. So he was I talked to him every day while he was in prison three times a day. The phone calls were 8 minutes a piece and um so he would he if he had a tweet for me he would you know first dictate dictate that to me you know and and then you know we'd go on with our conversation. So, uh, the tweet that you're referencing, the Allah Epstein, you know, if something happens to me, um, you know, I didn't do it to myself or it was no fault of my own. So, I tweeted that out for him and that was actually when he was first, um, arrested. So, I think or when he was first put in prison. I think that was, uh, sometime in October cuz he was already thinking it was Yeah. Well, because I mean, prison and the hospitals are the easiest places to whack someone, right? Right. If you if that's what you're looking to do, you know, they they bear this out in movies. Well, those are always the easiest because that's truth. Easiest place to escape, right? Exactly. That's what they always try and get themselves moved to the hospital. Why? It's got the lowest security. Yeah. I only have to breach one level of security to get out of the hospital, which is the guards that are standing outside the room. Um as opposed to a prison. It's got, you know, multiple layers of it, right? Uh so what so but what was his concern was why why did he feel somebody was was after him? Was there something specific? Well, there's um so for so you know I I met John um not long after he was deported from Guatemala back to the states and my understanding is that all of his problems um sort of uh derived from what happened in Bise. So John moved to Bise because his nephew had passed away. his nephew was like his son, you know, and so he just kind of wanted a change and he moved to Bise. I don't know why he picked Bise, but it was, you know, very beautiful from the pictures that I've seen. And while he was there, he began working on a topical antivirus. So, it was, you know, meant to just kind of heal you of any ailments. And, um, he came up with this idea because he was getting bit up in the jungle by all kind of bugs and stuff. So it it was a solution for himself first and he was giving out free samples to uh the villagers, right? And I'm not sure how long he had been living there, but he said that he had two representatives come, I'm assuming, from the leading political party and ask if he would consider giving a donation, and for that he would be given all sorts of perks, land, women, whatever, tax breaks. And he politely declined. And so I think he said a week after that they came and raided his property. He was held for 14 hours handcuffed outside. They came in and they destroyed pretty much destroyed his lab, shot his dog, which was not okay. He was very upset about that. But anyways, you know, they they said that he had illegal firearms, but he produced licenses for all of his firearms and he was cleared of all wrongdoing. And so then I think it was another week after that those same representatives came back and asked if he reconsidered his donation and he said f you get off my property. So this for John began a war for him right because he wanted to find evidence that he had been set up for this raid and he wanted an apology from the prime minister. And so what he decided to do being John McAfee is he decided to gift um laptops with keystroke logging information spyw wear um on the laptops to secretaries girlfriends boyfriends of high up officials within the government. So whether that was in the police in the prime minister's office where wherever he needed and they gladly took these gifts. And so over the course of maybe the next 6 months or so, I think it was, John was collecting all of this information and none of it um was was um related to what he you know was looking for which was that he was set up for this rate but instead he found you know that there was human trafficking, drug trafficking, murder for hire at the highest levels within the Bleian government right it's basically a mob the mob right? The mob is running the country basically. And so um so this was bad enough on its own. And then also you have to think um what type of people would be laundering money through this area or would have an offshore account in this area or Right. So we're not just talking about little beliefs, right? We're talking possibly about um cartels. Yeah. Other countries. Yeah, I understand that. Wealthy Americans or whatever. First, can I say I love the fact that you gift the computers? Uh that that was John, you know, that you just he just didn't want to be messed with, you know, he just wanted to be free to live his life however he saw fit as long as he wasn't hurting anyone, you know. So, he's collecting all of this information and he has women going through the the information kind of trying to find what's relevant to John, right? So, one of these women was actually sleeping with someone within the GSU, which is the gang suppression unit in BISE, and they were having pillow talk or whatever. And so, she spills the beans of what she's been doing, this work she's been doing for John McAfee. And so, that's how it's found out that he's collecting all of this information. And that's when his problem started with uh police. And so that was sometime in April or May, June of 2012. So once that happened, he kind of was on the run on, you know, on the island. He had different, you know, places where he was staying. So he was having to hide out there on the island. And then his neighbor was murdered, which he, you know, always said to me that he felt like it was a bodgeged hit on him, you know, that they just went to the wrong house because they lived, um, not far from each other on the same stretch of beach. So, uh, that's that's what he thought that it was just very that's very possible. I mean, I I actually know of cases where literally somebody had moved, they ended up killing the person that had moved in there or they just went to the wrong house. Hell, the the law enforcement will raid the wrong house all the time. All the time. Yeah. Four houses down. Sometimes it's the wrong street. Like all kinds. You got a judge to sign off on this. You got all this stuff and you and there's 40 guys involved and none of you had the right address, right? So, yeah, it's a bit scary when you think about it. Yeah. Yeah. So, um so that's that's where his his issues started as far as um as it relates to that. And then one other thing I would like to share about Bise. Now mind you this is all information John had given me and he's spoken about this you know before he died in many interviews but the dogs that he had. So so what happened with the dogs because I know I've I've heard reports that you know it was you know John had done this because it was retribution for then you know this gentleman poisoning the dogs. But John was under the uh belief that it was actually someone from the government that poisoned his dogs. And it was actually nine of his dogs that were poisoned and he had to shoot them um because they were like bleeding out of their their mouths and their butts. And it was really really bad. The majority of the dogs, I think he said he had something like 25 dogs, but they were all mostly strays, you know. I think maybe three or four dogs he actually brought with him from, you know, the states when he moved there. But the dogs were just dogs that he had collected from the island. Um because that's just who John was, you know, that again just just kind of answering questions that you're not answering but or asking, but just I know I've seen things and so I just try to clear this up. Yeah, I was going to say because I've seen, you know, just listening to different documentaries or videos like it's kind of inferred or like, okay, all John's dogs were poisoned and died and then the next day the neighbor died and then John eventually leaves on the run because he believes the government there is, you know, thinks he did it or is trying to set him up for doing it is kind of the story. That's the narrative that I've always heard. Right. And just to clear something else up, um he actually wasn't want was never wanted for murder. That was never the thing. He was wanted for questioning. Right. That's it. They wanted to question him. And you know, he offered many times to be questioned anywhere outside of police, but he he was not going to return to BISE to be questioned, you know, about about what happened. But he was willing to answer questions, you know. So what happens? So eventually he you're saying he was deported or did he flee? So So he did flee from BI. So what happened was um he uh managed somehow to to make it to Guatemala with Samantha and the two vice reporters that had were traveling with him. And in once he got to Guatemala, who's who's Samantha? Samantha was one of his girlfriends. Oh, I'm I I glossed over this part of the story. So John had um a herum as it's been described right of women in Bise and and these were I'm assuming working girls. I don't want to bismerch anyone's um reputation, but I know a few of them were. Um, and John was kind of a collector of broken people, if you will, because maybe there was a part of him that wanted to fix that, you know, and and there was a little brokenness in him. I mean, we all have a little brokenness in us. And so, um, these girls were it actually very something that that caused me to want to jump in head first with John was was the stories that he told about about um Amy, Amy M. Schweiler. She was um one of the main girls that was there. But you know, he put her through school. She got a education. She learned to speak English. He built her a home. She, from what I last heard, she still had the home, you know, had her family living there. She was working for one of the wealthiest men on the island in Bise. So, I mean, completely turned her life around, you know, just meeting John. And so, um, anyway, Samantha was one of his girlfriends that he traveled with. She was kind of helping him to be his eyes and ears, if you will. because he had to be, you know, um, incognito, you know, so she would go out and, you know, I guess check how things are going if the cops are out or whatever. And so she was traveling with him as well as Robert King and I think the other gentleman was name was Roco Castor. So this was a popular story because they actually took a picture um with John and said we're with McAfee suckers, but they forgot to take the XF data off. So, as soon as they shared the picture on Twitter, I think it was, you know, now the world knew exactly where John was. So, again, he had to um make a mad dash out of there. He was able to connect with Samantha's, I believe it was her uncle, who was the ex um something something very high up attorney general, I believe, was he was. And so he um he sent his driver for John and the team and they all rode down to um wherever they were to wherever he got arrested. I'm sorry I'm kind of futing this up, but um anyways, long story short, it was this attorney general, ex- attorney general, who got him safely to uh to the hotel where he had to then turn himself in with Interpol. and and after that they um I guess a case was brought that John for so John wouldn't have to be sent back to BISE you know that he could actually get back to America so they filed some paperwork within the courts but in the meantime they needed time to file these things so that's when John faked the heart attack and um you know once he got the clearance that all the paperwork was in he was magically fine yeah I it's funny that Mexicans will do this. They'll go they'll get arrested in the United States and be sentenced and then to get extradited back so they don't have to finish their 20-year sentence in the US. they'll pay kind of like a um a district attorney or some type of an attorney in Mexico to file an indictment against them in Mexico and then they'll petition the United States saying, "Hey, we want to we want to do that's called it's it's there's something called it's it's where hey, they'll serve their time in Mexico." Yeah. And so they've only have to serve a third of their time in the United States. they've served the third and we have an indictment. We want them to come here so we can we can uh prosecute them. And so based on the prisoner exchange or whatever that the program is, they say, "Oh, okay. Well, yeah, you there is an indictment. Yeah, he's done one third. Okay." And then they move him and as soon as he gets to Mexico, they drop the charges and they walk off, right? So, and that happens all the time. It's just a way to to work the system. Yeah. So I it never occurred to me the United States would do it because you know the United States is so you know above board they wouldn't do they wouldn't do anything underhanded. So I'm shocked that someone would have done something along those lines. Yeah. So um yeah so he made it back to the states and that's where our story began. Um actually here in Florida Miami South Beach I was working as a prostitute. I have been working as a prostitute for almost 10 years prior. For 10 How long? Almost 10 years. Well, you still 42 right now. Yeah. Okay. And how old were you then? I was um when I met John, I was getting ready to turn 30. Okay. Was 29. Yeah. So, um yeah, I had a pimp. I was in an extremely violent situation. you know, he's very abusive and and so um when when I met John, I was just in a different space, you know. Um I came from a very religious background. Um the youngest of five, four now. My brother's passed away, but youngest of five. Uh grew up in the Bay Area, San Francisco, Oakland, Hayward area. and um with two parents. My parents are still married. My father's a minister. My grandfather, my mom's dad was a was a pastor. He had his own church. So, I grew up in, you know, that was the environment I grew up in. How do you jump from that? Yeah, I know. Oh, goodness. So, I think well, for me, I at 15, I was right. I was violently and um not realizing this at the time, but in hindsight looking at it, I think I just wanted to take my power back. You know, I wanted to understand what it was that was powerful enough to make someone violate me in this way. You know, obviously there's some power there that I need to learn how to exercise and use and and so I became very promiscuous after that. Then fast forward, I meet this pimp. I didn't know he was a pimp. He was just a guy I wanted to have an one night stand with. And that's all it was supposed to be. But I ended up getting pregnant. And so this is in Oakland. Yes. Okay. Yeah. And so, you know, pregnant, not married, you know, religious family is a problem. So instead of just letting it be a one night stand, I tried to make it into a relationship. Okay. And then he he tells me this the pimp, he tells me about a girl who he went to school with. She was an escort. And you know, all you have to do is go out on dates and keep them company, whatever. And you know, in my mind, I'm like, "Okay, that doesn't sound right." Like that doesn't sound like people are just getting paid to just go out on dates with lonely old men. But um but anyways, I went for it and and um my first time was super easy. It was a hand job. got paid $300. The guy was just as nervous as I was. Um probably was his first time. He was just happy probably to get um not get arrested or not get rolled. But anyways, so I mean that's how you know when you're venturing into criminal activity, that's that's usually what gets you hooked, right? The ease in which you are able to accomplish whatever you're going out to accomplish. So yeah, it's it's always slow. Nobody Yeah. Nobody quits their job working at Walmart and then pulls off a a takeover bank robbery for $2 million. Like it's incremental. It's very small steps. Exactly. But for me, $300 and you know that short amount of time, you know, and so for me it just it just made sense, you know, like I get to say who, I get to say when, I get to say how much. I get to have power over my body, you know, and and get paid to do these things. Money that you're not going to make working at Walmart, right? Exactly. And I've got, you know, I've got kids. I had two at the time. Um, I had a daughter before I met the pimp. And so, I just wanted to get out of my parents house. And whatever was going to help me do that as quick as possible, that's what I was willing to do. And so that is kind of the mindset with which I went into prostitution as well as a little bit of um feeling like you know I was irredeemable and if there was a god that well he could never love me he would never you know because I've done all of these things you know I was ruined goods you know before I got into prostitution that just really um altered the way that I saw myself you know um and So I just felt like also it was just my punishment. You know, the pimp was my punishment for not being obedient for not, you know, going to church and doing the things that my parents said to do. So, so this kind of I hope explains how I went from, you know, that start with my family to u being a prostitute because obviously no one no girl is you know a little girl growing up and or or saying when I grow up I want to be a prostitute or I want to be you know you just that's just not happening but there are just things that happen in one's life that one way or another leads to that. How do you jump from um from California to Florida? Um so there was a lot of traveling for for the work. I was working on the streets mostly uh in the beginning and then I began working online uh Craigslist, Back Page, uh Arrows Guide. Um and so I was doing a lot of traveling before I made it to Florida. So, I've been to Arizona, Phoenix, Arizona, Denver, Colorado for a little bit. Vegas, of course, Vegas. Um, let's see, the DMV area, DC, Maryland, Virginia, uh, just working the different, uh, hosts as they're called there and then working online as well. And I eventually made it to Florida the first time 2010, 2010, 2011. So I was there for a good little stretch of time before I met John. How did you meet him? So I was um so I was actually at home and I was sleeping cuz it was a it was a slow I think it was like the middle of the week and you know I didn't want to go out but my pimp was like why aren't you outside? So I had to get up and go out and apparently John had been in town already and he was top of the news but I didn't watch the news so I didn't know. So, I go out um onto Ocean Drive. There's the Mangoes Club and the Clevelander. I don't know if you're familiar with those at all, okay? They're kind of popular night spots. And so, we were at the Clevelander. Nothing was really happening. And um I had happened to park my car across the street from John's Hotel, which was the Beacon Hotel. And uh me and my girlfriend who was another um hoe that was working for my pimp, we were walking back to the car and I actually saw John standing outside of Johnny Rockets talking to one of the workers and as I'm walking by you know we meet eyes and you know I smiled and he smiled and nodded but I kept walking cuz I just did a quick assessment of him and I was like no he looks broke and he doesn't look interested. So yeah he looks broke. so funny. But um but he did he just looked very disheveled. Um he had on a suit that was just, you know, a little bit beat up. He just didn't look like what you one would think John McAfee should look like, right? So um so I kept kept walking and for whatever reason I turned back to look at him and I saw that he was looking at my butt and so he kind of gave this like sheepish sort of you know what are you going to do? But I still kept walking because again my assessment was he was broke. he wasn't interested. And when I got to his hotel the night security came outside and I was just asking them, hey, you know, what's going on? What's in town? Are the cops out tonight? That's kind of, you know, just kind of getting a temperature check of, you know, the evening. And he happened to look down towards the Johnny Rockets and saw John and he said, "Well, you know who that is?" And I was like, "No." He said, "That's John McAfee." I was like, "Okay, who's that?" And so he said, "Well, do you know the McAfee antivirus?" And I said, "Yeah." He said, "Well, that's the guy that created it." And I said, "Oh, really?" And you turned around and started walking back. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I I hesitated a little bit cuz I still wasn't sure, you know, I'm like, "Well, he's probably not going to go for it." But I was like, "Okay, what's the worst that can happen?" So, by this time, I didn't see him. So, we kind of jogged a little bit back down the street and and he was now at the news cafe, which is not much further away from where he originally was. and he was talking to the night staff there and he was smoking a cigarette and so I asked him for a cigarette and as he was lighting my cigarette he said what are you girls out here doing are you drugging and rolling old men to which I responded yeah to which I responded we don't use drugs and so um this sparked his intrigue because obviously you know he let me know what you know who I was and I let him know well this is who I actually am. So anyways, it was just um I guess something that just caught his attention and he was like, "Okay, I would like to talk to you. You know, come and have a coffee with me." So we sat down and um you know, I went through my spiel. Are you interested in some company? We could do two for one, a little chocolate vanilla swirl or if you just want vanilla, if you just want chocolate, whatever. Um just to get it out of the way. Yeah. And he was like, "No, I'm I'm really not interested." I said, "Okay, good." I said, "So who are you? what what brings you into town? And he's a little offended that I don't know who he is and that I hadn't heard of him or whatever. And and so he just begins to share his story with me. It's funny, right? I because I immediately think of Anchor Man when he says, "I'm kind of a big deal." Yeah. You know, yeah. Um so he just he just told me his story, you know, everything that had happened with him in Bise, everything. I just went through with you guys and explained about bise. This is why I'm able to tell it because um he told it to me that first day that we met, but I've heard him tell it, you know, many times after that. And his story never changed, right? Which is why I I believe his version of of what happened to him. And after, you know, maybe two hours, he asked me if I could get rid of my my girlfriend because she was high on Molly and not really contributing much to the conversation. And so I did ask her to leave. And he um you know, we we hung out a little longer and he asked me to come back to his room with him. And so we get to his room really quickly. This you know, I'm not going to give you all the gritty details, but whatever. Anyways, we get to his room and um he's like standing by the bed and he's like rocking up and down on his tippy toes. He's like looking like really super shy. I'm like, "What is happening right now?" And he said, "Um, can we just cuddle?" And I was like, "Yeah, sure. No problem." But in my head, I'm like, "Okay, what kind of what is cuddling?" Right? Like what sort of kinky sex thing is cuddling? Right? I'm not thinking it's just cuddling. And I was like, "Okay, well, whatever it is, I'm sure I could do it." So stupid. And and he went to the bathroom, you know, we got in the bed and that's all we did. He laid his head on my shoulder and he was asleep in 5 minutes and he just like wrapped his whole body around me and slept like Yeah, I guess like he hadn't in a long time. So it was it was a really nice night for me as well. You know, I got some really much needed rest myself. And so anyways, next morning he's up early because he has an interview to do and um you know he said you know you can go and you can order breakfast just charge it to the room and then he said will you be here when I get back and I was like really like you want me to stay like this is not normal but I was like yeah I'll be here when you get back. So I go down for breakfast he goes to have his his interview I think it was with CNBC or something like that. Um, so while I'm having breakfast, I go uh again downstairs outside. I'm sitting outside. So, you know, you're right there on Ocean Drive, so they're seating out front of the hotels and, you know, can look at the scenery. So, I'm sitting there by myself and this cab pulls up and parks in front of, you know, the hotel. And the cab driver gets out and walks straight to me and he says, "Um, hi. Do you know John McAfee?" And I'm like, "No, I don't know who you're talking about." Why? Why did she say no? Well, because I don't know who that man is. I'm not gonna say, "Oh, yeah. I was just spent the night with him." No, I'm gonna say no. I don't I don't know who you're talking about. Because no one knows that I was with him. Right. Well, McAfee obviously told him to come get you. But why? But no think. Okay. So So I'm like, "No, I don't know John McAfee. I don't know who you're talking about." And he was like, "Yeah, right. Okay. So just tell John McAfee that his cab driver is here." And so I was like, well, you know, I don't know who who that is. And so when John actually got back to the hotel, I told him about this gentleman and he said, I don't have a cab driver, right? And so for me, see, immediately I'm thinking, how would anybody know? I I would assumed somebody had to the only person that would have known would have been McAfee. He would have called the cab driver, right, and told him, "Hey, but I was staying at his hotel, right? I was supposed to be there when he got back from an interview." You understand? Yeah. It's odd. I mean, and obviously, you know, the girl that I was with, she would have told the pimp. Actually, she did tell the pimp and and all of the pimps and hosts by that time knew, right? But not to send a cab driver to me to say, "Hey, you know, tell John McAfee his cab drivers out front." So, um, he's immediately on high alert now. And he told me as he's, um, you know, once we got through that part, he said, "Well, I want you to go downstairs and check out these guys at this table." He said, you know, they were, um, you know, sitting there waiting for me. They just I I didn't really fully grasp what was going on with these guys at the table, but he was concerned about them. So, I went down, but I didn't see them. And um you know, so he decided that we should go out for for lunch. So we did. We went down on Lincoln Drive. And as we're sitting for lunch, he's kind of pointing people out to me and saying, "See this guy's got a gun. He's got a gun in his pocket." You know, and I couldn't really see. I could see a bulge. It looked strange. It didn't look like a cell phone. So So I'm getting a crash course, you know, in in what he's had to live through, you know, I guess. So he's he's being on on alert, you know. So he feels like people are watching him all the time. This is FBI or No, this is So So this is Okay. My assumption still is that this is something that just carried from Bise, right? Cuz now you're you're not far, you know, from Bise in Miami, right? Um, so I I wasn't exactly certain, but as our relationship progressed, you know, it kind of So he believes this is some kind of bull law enforcement or No, not law enforcement. Okay. Then so he so basically as a result of the laptops it's known that he has information on the biz government potentially multiple things going on but mainly what governments do in in South American countries what the government does in one of the ways to make money because they don't have a lot of money is they do they money they launder money one of the things they do like launder money for cartels and So, I'm assuming the fact that he has this information and it's not like it's hearsay. He's got solid receipts. That's what they say now. It's cuz receipts really evidence, but he's got, you know, ironclad evidence that the that different people within the bullies government are laundering money. And so, he thinks that maybe they're trying to send somebody get them into a position where they can take him out so that Well, not take him out. No, no. To collect them. No, collect them. Oh, they want to pick up because they need they they want it information. They want the information. Yeah. They want to just chat about the weather. Yeah. Yeah. Um Yeah. So that's that is what he believed. And I should also go back really quickly to the night that we met, you know, as we're talking. So he's sitting with his back. Um so he's facing the street, right? And as he's sitting there talking to me for these hours, I'm watching him watch people. He's watching the cars, you know, taking mental note. Now, these are things that I would do anyways because, you know, being a prostitute, you have to be smart, you know, otherwise you um anyways, you don't survive that long without being smart, you know, being street smart. So, um, so I noticed immediately that there was something happening that he was concerned about, which is why the cab driver the next morning for me was a concern because that he was already showing a concern for for um his safety, right? And so again, we're back at lunch, you know, the next day watching people and there's this vehicle that keeps circling the block the entire time while we're sitting having our lunch. And and so I pointed out to him. So it's just a lot of things, a lot of strange things happening. Again, I'm not sure what exactly is happening, but there is something that's happening. Why? I wasn't sure either, but I'm again assuming because of the information that he had, you know, they needed to get it back. You know, they needed to and they couldn't just whack him because, you know, then where would the information go? Who has it? You know, how would they get it back? Um, so we spend a couple more days in um together in Florida. He eventually leaves and goes to Tennessee, I believe he said he was going. I'm not sure if that's where he went, but um maybe like a week later, well before he left, he said, you know, I'll call you in a week and I will want you to come and meet me. Come meet me in Tennessee. And so a week goes by and I do go indeed and meet him in Tennessee. And he's bought a pickup truck and he's driving to Portland and we he wants me to, you know, come with him. So we go on this 3-w weekek trip. First of all, it does not take three weeks to go from Tennessee to Portland. Just a long time, insanely long time, but it was a good time, right? Um I I really really enjoyed the the ride because he was just a fascinating person. Like I was smitten. Can I just say that as a hoe? I was absolutely smitten, right? Like in the most squarest sense, right? Like how a guy a girl likes a guy, right? And um you're definitely going to get to know somebody over a road trip. Yeah. Yeah. And it was a good road trip. Like we listen to books on CD. It was awesome. It was really cool. And so um but I didn't know. Well, he would tell me later that what he was actually doing and why it took it took so long was that he was going he had like um spots off road where he had buried, you know, I guess emergency stashes and he was going and collecting those cuz he would disappear for hours, you know, um like sometimes five, six hours at a time just gone, you know, and I'd be at the hotel waiting for him to come back. And so that's what he was actually doing and that's why it took so long for us to get from Tennessee to Portland. But in the meantime, the pimp is calling me and he's calling me cuz he wants to know what's going on. Where's the money? Has he paid you yet? How much is he going to pay you? All of these stupid things that I can't talk to you. I'm sitting in the car next to this person that you're asking me all this information about. You think I'm going to get on the phone and just say, "Oh, yeah. He's right here." And that's stupid because he's not even supposed to know about you. So, you're blowing my cover, right? So, so I was juggling with this as well. Yeah. And it was just some really interesting time. Anyways, we finally make it to Portland and I have to go back to Miami because I have a court case that's closing up, right? So, it's just going to be my last appearance that I'm going to make in the court um court case related to my prostitution. And so I have a very extensive criminal record. Um for soliciting mostly um 99% of my criminal um record is for soliciting which is basically just being in an area known for prostitution, not necessarily being caught in the act or anything like that. Um so I was going to just appear before the judge. I had done what I needed to do. I stayed out of trouble. I did the diversion program and they were going to just close out the case. So I needed to leave. But before I still have to show up, right? Yes, you do. Um, but before I did that, John said to me, he said, "Listen, I'm not going to take care of a grown man, right?" So, basically, he was just letting me know that he knew about the pimp, right? And so, he said, "You know, if you're going to come back here and be with me, then that's what you're going to come and be with me, but you're not going to send money to anyone." Um well, you know, and so so that was kind of just his ultimatum that he laid on the line there. And and so I went back to Miami, closed out the case and was fully intending on leaving that life and the pimp behind me, you know, once I got back to Portland. So I actually did do that. you know, the pimp called me and um I let John talk to him, but John on the phone and John was like, "Listen, she doesn't want to be with you anymore." And you know, so you just leave her alone, whatever. And he was like, you know, "F that. I'm coming to Portland." And so John told him that if you come to Portland, you will leave in a body bag. And so, um, he didn't like that. It wasn't a threat. It was just facts of life, you know, that if he came because obviously you're coming as a threat. A threat to me. Mhm. And Yeah. you're not coming as a a supportive character witness in your court appearance, right? So, so, so that ended that situation for for a time, and we'll get there eventually to the rest of that story. So, um, just one other little unique thing about this I want to tell. So, so we're, you know, we're in Portland. We're staying at the Fifty Shades Gray Hotel, the hotel that was in the movie. And, um, you know, John's looking for a place for us to stay. And so his security didn't like me, you know, for obvious reasons. Duh. And, you know, he thought that I was just, you know, there to, you know, try to make um just try to make some money, get some money. And while I was while I was in Miami, so when I went back to Miami after we got to Portland, while I was there, you know, the pimp was talking about, okay, well, how much money is he going to pay you for going on this road trip? He'd given me um money to cover my my rent and car note, right? So, I was able to pay that, you know, but he hadn't given me anything like cash and pocket cash. And so, um, you know, the pimp is talking about all these things. Well, you know, you can take pictures of him and sell it to the tabloids because everybody's wanting to know where he is or, you know, we can rob him. All of these grand ideas that the pimp has. And and so he was like, you know, you should see if you could get like maybe 20 grand out of him, 50 grand. And I was like, he's not going to pay me that amount of money for what? Like I didn't, you know, we're not doing anything. You know, I'm not sure what his what his plans were or what his ideas were. But anyways, fast forward back to me being in Portland. They um security, his security, we actually arrived at the same time. Um, you know, his security was coming from Tennessee. I was coming from from Miami. And we get to the hotel, John's in the elevator with his security. And all of a sudden, security is like, "Yeah, I brought that $50,000 that you asked for." And so I'm like, "Well, that's strange. Like, why would you announce it that way?" It was super super weird. And so apparently they thought or the security thought that I was going to take the money and run, right? So it's in cash. It's in the room with us. John leaves for some hours. And I'm like, you know, I got to get out this room cuz I really want to look at it because I've never seen 50,000 cash. So I just want to look at it, but I don't want to touch it cuz I don't want anyone saying anything about anything. So, I leave the room and I go to smoke a cigarette standing outside and, you know, I'm just kind of assessing the the scene in the area. See someone sitting in a parked car and then I see this gentleman walking down the street is an older man, looked like a a bum walking down the street and he's like limping, right? Limping down the sho the street and he has on a white shoe and a black shoe. And as he gets closer to me, all of a sudden his gate changes and he's now standing straight up, you know, and he's walking without this limp and he's looking at me as you're looking at me. Basically, you know, if looks could kill, I would have dropped dead right there. And um because the assumption again was that I was going to take the money and try to make a run for it. And and that's I guess he was supposed to intervene, be someone to intervene in that. So that's just little things that were like a test. Yeah. Yeah. So So these were just little things that were that were happening. Um interesting things that I Well, I don't know. I guess I passed the test because I didn't touch the money. I didn't take the money. And John, he um you know, he said he didn't think that I would that I would have taken it. But obviously after the fact, did he say like, "Hey, like you passed the test or is it just kind of like h Yeah. No, he just said he just, you know, he just said I knew you wouldn't take it, you know, and we just kind of life went on, you know, life went went on and and he asked me to be his girlfriend and he said, you know, this is what I do for my girlfriend. So, give you a place to stay, you know, give you a car and you'll have money and you know, there's just some things that I require. You know, like you're not having sex with people, right? And you're no longer working anymore, right? And so, of course, duh, no problem. I can do that. But I got bored very quickly because he was gone a lot, you know. Also, he had uh, as I like to call them, flavors of the week, flavors of the day, right? Other women who would come or he would go and see them, whatever. I didn't care because that's not that wasn't the nature of our relationship. I was not looking for exclusivity from him, right? I wasn't looking to be his only one and only. Um, so I was perfectly fine with that. He had one come and stay with us for a couple of months. Um it was just an interesting time but I was really really bored and I wanted to get a job and he's like well you can't get a job like I can't like John McAfee's wife can't be working 9 to5 but I I needed something to fill my time. Well but he said wife you so so I've always been his wife in his mind because that's what he referred to me as because the others are just kind of coming and going. Yes. Okay. Well, I don't know what the difference was, but that's just um what he called me. So, um so in this boredom, I want to get a dog. So, we get a dog, whatever. And I'm really trying to just figure out what I'm supposed to do with myself other than just waiting for John to come home and whatever, right? Um so, and in the meantime, I'm also going back to California to see my children. to my children. I'm living in California with my parents because I uh asked my dad to take my children because of the situation I was in, you know. I didn't want them to begin getting abused um because I couldn't protect them from from the pimp, you know, and so that was my fear. So they were living with my parents and uh I would go and visit them, you know, when they were out of school, uh summer vacation, holidays, I would go, John would um very graciously pay for me to go and visit them and if they needed money, I would send money, you know, I was able to be sort of the fun mom, if you will, you know. Do your parents know that you're with McAfee? Yeah. Oh. Oh, I skipped that part. I'm sorry. What are they thinking? So, so, um, during the road trip, we actually, um, made a beline through California, right? Cuz we could have just went up straight to Portland, but and and it was because John felt that it was time for me to go back, right? because I hadn't seen them for about 7 years because my my dad when when my dad came and got them from me in Las Vegas where we were living. Um he told me that I was never to call, never to come home, never to write. That was just that. And so I honored that. Um and so it had been about 7 years since I had seen them. I'd been in contact with one of my sisters quite regularly, but as far as my children, I just wasn't allowed to talk to them. So, you know, she would talk tell me about them, how they were doing, right? And so, so it was New Year's Day that we showed up to my parents house and they were super surprised, like so shocked and and that I was with John McAfee. They were even more surprised like how like how in the world does this happen? Um yeah. So I guess just shocked, you know, not not really understanding how the two of us met. Turn around, leave. No. No. Okay. Well, they couldn't because he was at the door with me, right? So, maybe they wanted to, but you know, the situation was different. You know, I wasn't um coming I wasn't there alone, right? So, he kind of was an advocate for me cuz I'm not sure what my parents thought um about me, but I I I believe that they just thought that I just didn't want to be a mom no more. I wanted to go out and have this wild, crazy life. and and that was so far from what actually was going on. I mean, obviously there was, you know, there's good times. You go out, you're clubbing, whatever because you're working. That's just the environment that you're in, but it's not a good time, you know? You're So, it just wasn't what they thought it was, you know. Um anyway, so that's how they came to know that I was with John McAfee. And um they just kind of rolled with it. They didn't really ask any any questions. They just it was just, okay, she's with John. You know, again, they hadn't seen me in so many years. So, right. You know, it was just what So, it went as well as could be expected. Yeah. Yeah. So, now you're you you want to get a job. He's saying you cannot get a job. Yeah. Um and you want to get a a pet. Yeah. So, I have a dog. So, we got a dog, Tequila. Yeah. It's a little simple request. Um, so we so we get this dog to keep a big deal, by the way. You understand? This has been an argument for two years with my wife and I am we're not getting a dog. Why not? Because where does the dog right now? Do you see what I'm saying? When like it'd be different and I've told her when we go to a studio and we are no longer doing, you know, of course she's like you could put the dog in the garage. You could put him in a No, no. Oh, he sits there and barks non-stop and you know, no. And so we there's all these agreements, okay? 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That's ghostbed.com/cox and use code cox for 10% off sitewide. You're going to be playing with them. You're still these are the rules. They may I'll we'll alter them later as I see fit. I don't want to be I don't have a dog. Okay. You've never had a dog? No, I've had one. I'm saying she's got her dog. It's her. That's funny. I mean, he's No, it's not. No, it never works that way. You say this now, it's going to be your dog. You're going to love it. I understand, but I'm saying that's a big deal. Like, to me, you know, you see people halfhazardly get dogs and then 6 months later they're they're want to get rid of the dog. This I think this is a big commitment. You know, you have to think about it. Yeah. Well, it's good that you you say that now because that's what I say now. I'm like, this is your dog. Remember remember when we got this dog? Like, remember what I said? Like, this is your responsibility. Oh, listen. Yeah, that's what I want to be at four o'clock in the morning when she's like, "Can you take the dog out?" I'm not taking your dog out. You get out of bed. So, anyway, I hear you. That's awesome. Yeah, that's awesome. So, you get you get a dog. You're going to love the dog. Um, so yeah, we get a dog. Well, actually, what I did was I I wanted a little cute little doggy, you know, a little purse dog. And so, I I bought a dog for two grand. I found one online and he was like, "You're not spending two grand on a dog." He's like, "Get your money back and I will take you to the rescue and we'll go get a dog." So, we we ended up going to a rescue and we found Tequila. She's a red-nosed pit bull and she was awesome. And um so now I have this dog. I have, you know, just something to keep me a little less lonely. Um, and in March, my b my daughter, my oldest daughter had a birthday and I thought it would be a good idea. So stupid. I just wanted to floss on the pimp, right? I wanted to floss on the pimp. And if you guys don't understand what that means, I just wanted to show off, you know, like look at what I'm doing with my life and look what he's doing for me. This is something that you never did in the almost 10 years that I was with you. You know, I'm able to take my daughter. We had this awesome birthday party at Great America. It was great. all her friends got to go and you know I had a car and you know I'm living life and so super stupid because obviously he knew about it you know um I should say as well you know I don't know if the if our apartment was bugged or or anything or my car was bugged I just assumed that it was right so I assumed that he knew everything that was happening because I go back really quickly to the 50k that was brought by the security that's what we discussed in in our house, you know, in our condo in Miami. So, how would he have heard that that specific number, you know, if not for cell phone? No, no, no, no. Well, I had my own cell phone and obviously that could have been, you know, used to listen in. But, so the assumption was that I was being watched and listened to at all times. And so, John was very upset about this and we end up getting into a fight. He kicks me out, but he kicked me out with nothing. Well, not nothing. I mean, with my clothes and the dog. He kicked the dog out, too. And um Wait, did I miss something? Why did he kick you out? Because it was Well, it had to do with me trying to floss and show off for the pimp. Yeah. Also, because he had a girlfriend or a little flavor of the week and she didn't want me at the house and so um he kicked me out for that as well because she didn't want me there. So, so we're out on the street. I have no money, right? I Well, I had a little bit of money. So, I called one of my regulars who, you know, would bail me out from time to time in the past. And he sent me a couple hundred so I could get a hotel. So, I'm in a hotel and now I'm trying to think long-term strategy cuz I'm thinking for me it's over. Like, we're done. You know, this situation was good. Well, it lasted. But um so I wanted to get back to California with my with my sister just to be closer to my family until I figured out what I was going to do. But I didn't want to ask family for money because I didn't think that they would help with that. So I foolishly thought it was a good idea to ask the pimp to send me um some money so I can get a plane ticket and and leave. So instead of him sending me money, he sends me a guy, a client. And so this guy comes and um pays me $300. We do our business and after he says um so same as the cab driver, so you know John McAfee. Yeah. I was like, "Nope, I have no idea who you're talking about." And he was like, "Okay, well listen, you know, your pimp told me that you know John McAfee and um we're going to have a meeting with your pimp and we just want to talk to you about John McAfee." So I'm like, "Okay, whatever." But immediately I'm like, "Oh crap, what is what's happening now?" Um, so, so in this meeting, the gentleman didn't he didn't come back, but he's on the phone. He's on speaker phone. And there's another pimp from Portland and another pimp from California that's there with my pimp. And this is there like a pimp network? I mean, what exactly? Well, it's a pretty small community, I guess. Everybody's on a group chat. Yeah. Well, Uh, so yes, we're I'm here in this room with these three pimps, my pimp included, and the same man that came and paid me is on the phone and he explains that he is a representative of the Senoloa cartel and they are wanting to collect information on John McAfee and they want me to do that for them. And so immediately I'm like, "Hell no, I'm not doing none of that. Like, this is crazy. Like, what is y'all talking about?" Now, this is a big no no. I'm in a room with pimps, pimps that aren't mine, right? You're supposed to be seen and not heard. So, the fact that I was, you know, being vocal about what I ain't going to do, right, was a huge violation. And so my pimp made me go in the bathroom and um while they finished the conversation or whatever and then he called me out and the one pimp from California said, "You know, I don't give a f if that b word snitches. I don't know if can I curse?" Yeah, you did. Okay. If that [ __ ] snitches, you know, um I'm killing her, you know, and I'm killing her family. So So I have this threat hanging over me. Yeah. And you know, my pimp is like, like, just relax. They just want you to let him know, you know, what he's doing, you know, who's around, all of this stuff. It's like, it's not even a big deal. And I was like, well, first of all, I can't do it because I'm not with him. Like, we like he kicked me out. Like, there's not we're not together anymore. So, I don't know what you you think I can do for you. And then also, even if we did happen to get back together, if I'm telling you stuff, he's going to know that I'm the one telling you it. Like, so this doesn't make any sense to me. So, um I guess John again, I'm being watched and listened to at all times, right? So, he eventually calls me after this meeting has happened. And um and he comes to the hotel and so we make up for um I guess we make up whatever and I go back with him to the apartment. But I believe that he came because of this meeting that was had, you know, and and possibly he kicked me out because maybe there was some conversation that was happening outside of me that I wasn't privy to and so to see where that went, you know. So what do your what do you think the concern with the Soloa the member of the Sinaloa cartel? What do you think they're they they only want you to gather information? Is it that they they're concerned that he may be meeting with government officials to turn over this information or or on them or what? No. To collect him. Oh, they're still they're still just trying to to trying to get him to a point where he's vulnerable and they can grab him. Exactly. Okay. Right. And they need someone to let them know when that is. Right. Right. Okay. Okay. So that's So that is the only concern again because the only concern is once again they want to have a chitchat. Right. because whacking him so easy. They could have done that any number of times, but obviously they needed the information. They needed to know where it was. And so, um, so they couldn't just whack him, right? They had to collect him. So, you're back in the apartment. Back with John, back in the apartment. Got the dog. Got the dog back. And life goes back to what it was prior to me getting kicked out. Except I've got this huge secret now. I don't tell John. It was a few years before I actually told him what was going on. But again, I I'm operating under the assumption that he's, you know, can see all, hear all, knows all. And he did, you know, he would later say that he did. Yeah. cuz there there's from the moment he gets back to the US like there's no real you know there are these huge gaps where where I know something would be on the news something would happen here something would there you know but so there is no real um uh you know something that chain that kind of ties everything together but you would tie that together have you ever been interviewed for like a book or anything has anybody somebody has to have written a book Right. Like, no. Have you written a book? No. I There will be a book. I think one day I would hope so. Um, why wouldn't you write the book? I'm not a writer. I'm not a writer. It doesn't make much to be a writer. You write like a You write like a paragraph or two a day and you look back a year later and you go, "Holy [ __ ] I got 300 pages though. I'm done." Yeah. You write You write an outline. Okay, here's the thing. You write a five or six page outline with just bullet points. Talk about this. Talk about this. Okay, you're doing it right now. you're probably going to drop this thing in a chat GPT and it do it almost for you and then you just but you know you write the outline then you kind of go through and and it'd be perfect for you. You could start at where you started here. Okay. And then I would leave this in. Um you start at where you cuz that's like oh my you know that is the end. Yeah. But then you could jump back to telling an overview of kind of his life. That doesn't even have to be long. That's a chapter. That's maybe maybe six p seven pages. Okay. Okay. Because people kind of know the story and it's an interesting story, right? It's very interesting. So, you know, but you don't have to go super involved in that and then you can get to the point where things started going wrong where he sells the company and things start, you know, escalating and he leaves the United States and kind of like where the the second part of his story change changes. You could probably do two par two chapters on his life and leading up to it. And then by chapter three, he's probably in Bise. You can explain that whole thing over several chapters. And then you get to where you enter the picture. But keep in mind, you don't even have to interview anybody for the book. True. For the quotes and stuff. You can go straight to YouTube. Yeah. And go to what was the guy's name we talked about? Uh the Jimmy Watson. Yeah. you go to him and you just watch that. You could get a transcript of that. You just pull pieces out of when he enters. Like there's so many interviews. You don't even have to do much interview. You don't have to probably do any interviewing if you didn't want to. You just go to these YouTube get the transcripts and just pull out what's helping to tell the narrative that you're you're laying out. And before you know it, you got a 300 p you have a 300page book written by you and which may if done like that may be the most complete uh version of his story. And even though his you know him making money and the the the antivirus selling the company that whole thing it's interesting as an entrepreneurial story. Yeah. Yeah, but what makes it even more interesting is what happens later, that's what sets it apart. There's lots of entrepreneurs that had an idea and ran with it and it turned into something and they, you know, they made, you know, whatever 10 or 100 or 50 million, whatever that number is. Um, there's there's lot, you know, there's lots of those guys, uh, which are all interesting, but but it's the second part that makes all of it like, oh my god, like what is h what's really happening here? Yeah. And you're on the inside knowing what really happened and and able to put it together in pieces in a way that nobody else that I haven't heard. You think, you know, you think, well, that's probably something's probably happening there. What is it? Well, I I I know or at least I know what what John thought was happening. Yeah. You know, I know what I saw. I know what he said was happening. I know what you put it all together, you probably have a super more interesting story than just a just a basic documentary where it's kind of one-sided. But anyway, that's great advice. I'm I'm full of good advice. It's it's pulling the trigger. But yeah, you'd be you'd be shocked. You you think, "Oh, I'm not a writer." You I'm not a writer, but I'm I'm a hell of a storyteller. And you're already telling a great story. you're already you're already subtly kind of gleaning over or giving a very short version of what's not interesting. You're like, "Well, I need to mention that, but so let me mention it, but I'm not going to focus on that." And you're already focusing on what is interesting. You're you're saying, "Hey, this is kind of neat. Let me go ahead and expand on that." You're talking about that for 5 minutes, this for 1 minute, this for seven minutes, this for two minutes, because you know those are, you know, you need to I need they need to know this, but it's not interesting, right? But it does I do they do need to know it cuz I know in 30 minutes from now it's going to tie back in. You're already doing that. You're already a good storyteller. Thank you. So appreciate it. The writing the story, the rest of it, you could drop in chat GPT and then you just toy with it. There there are no great writers. There are great rewriters. Nobody Nobody just sits down and writes an amazing book. Nobody. It's you write the book, it's dog [ __ ] and you rewrite it three different times. It's just tweaking here, tweak here, tweak here, and then before you know it, you give it to somebody and they they walk up to you with tears in their eyes and say, "Man, that that part about that part about your dad, bro, I'm I'm so sorry." And you're like, "Fuck just happened." The guy like gives you a hug and you're like, "Oh my god, I think I got a good story here." You don't realize it. Right. Right. Cuz it's your story. Yeah. A fish doesn't realize he's surrounded by water. Right. Right. So, you're in the place. We got the dog back. McAfei's back in the picture. Yeah. You know, something's going on. I'm back. I'm back at the apartment. Um, so the gentleman that was the cartel representative actually worked with John and um because John was working on they were working on a script cuz they were going to do a movie about his life or a documentary. I well they had the script so I think it was supposed to be a movie. Um, so there was, you know, directors, writers he was talking to and this gentleman, he came to our apartment and he put something in front of the TV. I'm assuming it's something to listen and watch or whatever. And so knowing that John is knows what's happening, I was very surprised that for one that he kept this guy around so close, but two that he allowed him to put whatever that device was in our house. I think he was setting up the cable and um and so it was just a really intense time for me because I had the pimp calling me non-stop and you know you know why why why am I not checking in and giving him information because he was the go-between. I was supposed to give the information to the pimp and he'd take it to whomever. Um and you know I would just explain you know he's watching me. He's suspicious right? you keep calling me, you know, um, and there's no way to do it without him knowing that I'm that I'm doing it, right? And so ve very quickly them asking me to provide information turned into, okay, we're going to give you this. I want you to put it in his food. And it was like some grainy substance. I don't know. It was like in a little baggie. They wanted me to put it in his food. And um I remember I was so scared. I was so scared. I was scared that who's going to find it on me. I because I didn't just throw it away, you know? I was like, "Okay, well, I'm going to put it like I put it deep in some drawer or something." I was never going to use it, but I didn't know what to do with it. Um and so really quickly, oh, we were going to have we were going to have dinner one night, right? And we were going to cook together, but then John got busy on the phone. And so, you know, I was hungry, so I went ahead and cooked. And he came out of the bedroom. And he stopped in the doorway and he was like, "Oh, you cooked? I'm not eating that." And I was like, "Yeah, I was hungry." And so I said, "Do you want some?" And he's like, "Yeah, sure. I'll take some." And so he's watching me. So what I did was I just stirred everything. Gave it a big stir, right? So he could see everything's mixed together, you know, and I I, you know, took my food and made him, you know, a plate. And so when he he did it was it was broccoli and I think some sort of pasta and chicken, right? So he took a little bit of each and was like tossing it to the dog, right? And he later would tell me that he did this because he knew that I love the dog and I would never poison the dog. So if there was something in it, I would not allow him to give it to the dog. So um so yeah, it was just I mean little things was super funny, right? So again proving the point or proving to me that indeed he did know all he was watching and hearing and listening. So he knew what was happening, right? Um, and then that turned into, okay, well, let's, you know, because I was driving, you know, John will let me drive him around, right, which is, I guess, a big no no in his world as well, you know, like his security was not happy with me at all. They like, well, they wanted me gone. Whether that was whacked or whether that was just out of his life, I don't know, but they they wanted me gone. Um, it was a big deal that I was driving for him, you know, that he heard a lot of he got a lot of slack for that. But um so anyways, I would drive him around and they, you know, my pimp would say, "Okay, we'll leave the car parked over here, you know, so they could do something to it, you know, to sort of disable it." So what I would do was when I would go to see my children, I would tell John, "Listen, don't go out at night by yourself. Uh let somebody else drive you. Don't park the car over here. Park it in the parking garage." So while they were telling me to do things, I was telling John how to protect himself from the things that they were telling me to do, right? So just it was just a very tricky situation, you know, because I was not on board with what the pimp was trying to do. Not at all. You know, for me, the situation with John was one of um a potential escape, right, from the previous version of myself, from that prostitute that I was, from that life completely from the pimp. But now I've got this added situation of the cartel, you know, but but John was going to be for me my avenue to to get to um a better version of myself, you know, to to turn over a new leaf or new chapter, whatever, you know? And so that that was my goal, right? And so that's why I was telling him, hey, this is how you protect yourself from well, I didn't tell him this is how you protect yourself, but I'm just saying, you know, this is do these things, you know, don't, you know, don't deviate from what I'm telling you and you'll be fine. And so, um, we then began traveling. John was doing like a lot of keynotes, speeches, and there would be people there that were there to do harm to John. And so I remember distinctly one person uh after one of these keynotes that he had given, he someone came up to him and said, "Hey, John, here's your drink." You know, and I immediately, you know, took the drink and you know, tossed it, you know, not with a person seeing, but you know, I just, you know, interfered with that. And we traveled with, you know, we traveled with security because there was just this constant threat, you know, and now I know of, you know, I'm a part of that threat, right? As well as a part of, you know, trying to uh be the solution or, you know, help him uh protect himself from the threats. Yes. So, in the summer of 2013, the Belian soccer team came to play soccer in some tournament that was happening in Portland. And when they came, there was like an excessive amount of people that flew in and not all of them returned when the flight returned. This was what the information John shared. So in our neighborhood, we began to see people that looked Caribbean, people that were that looked black that were black, but they weren't black like I'm black anyways. There's a difference. So um and that matters because the neighborhood was very white. It was a very white neighborhood. I was probably the blackest person in the neighborhood. So to see these people all of a sudden this influx of people not really doing anything that, you know, didn't move there. They were just kind of milling around was very concerning, you know, and they were kind of milling around our apartment. Our apartment was right on 20th and Hawthorne, right on the corner. We were on the fourth floor. So, we had um like a L-shape. So, we had a view of all both roads, the main road, Hawthorne, and then 20th Street. So, we could see people kind of hanging out. There was a a thrift shop right across from us. Uh there was a pizza shop across this way and a small movie theater. So there would be people just sitting there for hours at a time, just sitting, not doing anything. And so, um, this is very concerning for John. So, we had security there in Portland that was traveling with us. He's a biker. Um, he and his girlfriend. And so, they actually moved in with us during this time. Uh, because John was going out of town a lot and he didn't want me to be by myself. So, there is a report in the news that John died of an overdose in a Vegas uh hotel, right? And so, he's getting phone calls all day. Just out of the blue. Yeah. Just out of the blue. Just out of the blue. Um he tweeted actually about it. He said something to the effect of the the the news of my death has been greatly exaggerated or something. I don't know. But he was getting phone calls all day from people asking if he was okay. and and and so then after that the security was arrested on trumped up charges for abuse. Right. So now we're without our security and now this story has gone out that John is already dead. Yes. So, uh, one evening we are sitting watching, we're binge watching, I think it was Family Guy, and, um, I just happened to look out of our window and I see this, uh, pickup truck and this guy gets out in a work vest and he flashes his flashlight four times down our street. And I said to John, "Hey, this guy just, you know, I don't know what he's doing. and he's flashing his flashlight. So the guy does it again when John is there in the window and he's like, "Okay, turn the lights off." Immediately we turn the light. All the lights are off. TV's off. It's dark and he's watching. He's got his binoculars. He's watching. He's in the windows watching what's going on um for for a couple of hours. And then he he calls me and then he's like, "Do do you hear a motorcycle idling?" Like, "No, I don't hear anything now. I'm tired." And I'm like, I don't hear anything. I don't know what he's talking about. I'm going to go lay down. So, I go and lay down. And about 2:00 in the morning, he comes and he he wakes me up and he says, "Get up. They're here. We have to leave right now." Right? Is he tells me that there was two cop cars, um an SUV, and a garbage truck that pulled up and they were in front of our building. Right? And so, this is the problem. We run out. We run down the opposite end of our hallway. We run down the stairs and we end up in the parking garage of our apartment and you know John is like running around like a madman trying to find somewhere for us to hide. So our apartment building is on top of a dentist office and um a coffee shop. And so there was doors that led into the parking garage from these businesses. And so he's trying all the doors trying to find somewhere for us to hide. So, all of the doors were locked and um he goes into the trash room and he's like, "Okay, get in here in the dumpster." I'm like, "I'm not getting in there. That's disgusting. That's nasty." So, he's like, "Fine." Then he turns the light off in there and he's trying to figure out where we can hide. So, in our parking garage, there was a lower level underground and then the main level and then an upper level and it kind of worked on an elevator system, right? And so he said, "Okay, well, can you climb up here?" So we climb up and we hide under a car and I'm sitting there. First of all, I'm thinking like they're going to kick us out of our apartment when they see us on their security camera running like crazy people in the middle of the night in the parking garage. And I'm also like I don't even know like why how like he's lost it. He's lost his mind. He's absolutely crazy. I don't know what's happening. Mind you, also I should say that in the parking garage, the lights are motion detected, right? So the lights are on while we're moving around doing all this crazy stuff. So we get settled under the car. Eventually the lights go off, right? And then maybe 5 or 10 minutes after that, we hear the click of the So the key fob. When you put the key fob to, you know, to come into the parking garage, it's a very there's a very loud click. of it unlocking. So, we heard that click and then the lights came on, but you don't hear anyone. You don't see anyone. Okay. And the lights stayed on all night. Right now, you can feel you could feel the movement, but you couldn't hear anyone walking. You couldn't, you know, they weren't talking. And in the lobby, there was like a lot of commotion, a lot of just a lot of noise. And you could also hear the garbage truck idling or what I assumed was the garbage truck. You know, they have a very distinct sound, right? So, you could hear that idling out front as well. Um, so again, a lot of commotion happening in the in the in the lobby. Um, and then you hear the the click again and the um the garage door is opening now for into the parking garage. And so it opens up. You hear the the garbage bin being rolled out, right? And it's, you know, lifted and all the things. The garbage truck is doing its thing to empty the bin and it's rolled back in. And then maybe half hour later, you hear this loud [ __ ] in the lobby. Yeah. Because we weren't in there. Because the assumption was that we were in there because the light was turned off. I think this was something that John always made um reference to. Uh I'm not sure why that was important, but I guess psychologically if you're looking for someone and you go and you think that they're in this trash room and the lights off in there, then you would think that they would probably be hiding in there. I don't know. But but we were just literally right there. And and honestly, if they would have just whoever was walking in there, if they would have just bent over, they would have seen us underneath the the car hiding there. And so, um, we stayed under there after that, you know, big loud, um, fbomb, right? Um, we stayed we stayed under there. There was still some commotion happening. Then um you heard the the garbage truck then then leave eventually. The lights stayed on for a little longer, maybe another hour or so, and then they went off, but we stayed under there. And then um our neighbor was the first to leave. Our neighbor was someone that had moved in newly. So our our apartment was on the end of the hall and this apartment across from us, these people had just moved in maybe the month before. And so they were the first to leave maybe about 6:00 in the morning. And also I should say that our building had been sold um month prior like just randomly out of the blue like we had uh Virginia she was a sweet lady that was our um apartment manager of the building and she put a notice on the door saying that they were going to you know the building had been sold. there's going to be new management. And then the very next day, we had new management. And this gentleman was not really management really. He came in like maybe noon, you know, barely did anything. And he was just kind of a warm body, if you will. And so the next person to come in was actually him. And he came in about 7 in the morning. And he went directly into the um the the I guess surveillance room. I don't know what you would call it, but where they have the cameras, right? Right. He stayed for maybe a minute or two and then he left. And so, um, you know, as it's getting later and later, I tell John, you know, we might, you know, need to get out of here now because, you know, in case someone comes to go to work and they see us under their car. So, we get up, we go back to our apartment, we call the girlfriend of the security that had been arrested and tell her what happened. She comes to meet us cuz now we're leaving. So, we're packing up what little bit of stuff we we needed, the essentials, and we were going to leave. And as we were leaving, our neighbor who uh apartment is next to the elevator, she's coming out as well. And so, John happens to say to her, "Hey, did you um did you notice anything strange happening happening last night?" And she was like, "Yeah, I was just going to go down and talk to the manager." She said it was really loud. There was a lot of commotioning happenings like people were you know in the hallway talking really loudly. This was just confirmation of you know what we had just lived through. So we get downstairs the manager's there and he doesn't see us come out of the elevator. Our neighbor goes and she's talking to him and then he turns around and he sees us and he goes white like a ghost. You know John just mentioned to him as well you know what was going on last night. And so what I thought was strange about his response was that he didn't say, "Well, yeah, you guys were like, "What were you doing in the parking garage? You look stupid." Like, "What were you running around for?" But the fact that he completely avoided that was just telling to me, you know, because I mean, I I guess I just assumed that maybe he was in on it and on or he knew about what was what happened or what should have happened. Just his response to to seeing us there was very telling. So later John finds out that I guess this was a big operation. Um it was massive. It had to have been massive and it was something that the pimp didn't know about. And I think for me it just it scared me because it meant that there was something happening outside of what I knew about that was a lot bigger than than what I did know about. now because this was a massive operation to buy an apartment complex to put in your people, right? To have this whole setup of maybe they were real police, maybe they weren't. I don't know. Garbage truck, all of the things, all of the costs that that would have would have um incurred. And so, um so now I'm like super spooked, you know? So, we left Portland and we made our way to Utah and um we stayed there for a couple of days. Sean, I guess just trying to figure out where where we should go next. And so um eventually the girlfriend of the security, she left and went back to Portland and we made our way to Colorado Springs. So then as after we'd been there for a few months, John does an interview with the Fox News, I forget the interviewer, but I remember it very well because when John would do these interviews, he would ask that they not describe or tell where he is because, you know, they'll say, "Oh, we have so and so from this, you know, right?" So he'd ask that they did not do that. And so they were they were honoring that, you know, when he was doing his interviews. We would go into focus focus on the family. They had a big, you know, studio there. So, we would go in there and do the filming there. And on this particular interview, the gentleman said, you know, we have John McAfee from, you know, Colorado Springs. And so, you know, we both noticed it immediately. And and that was that was not okay because then, you know, it didn't take long for for people to show up in our neighborhood. So, the first thing that we noticed was that there there was a new this is so stupid, but there was a new like Wi-Fi. You know, when you you're going onto the Wi-Fi, you can see all the the Wi-Fi that's in range and some things said FBI surveillance uh van number two. Yes. Something Well, something said not not that exactly, but something said something like FBI or something. So, I don't know what happened, but anyways. So after that, John decided that it was time to get authorities involved, right? So we go to the FBI and I'm thinking for sure that I'm going to be arrested because obviously he knows, you know, what I've been doing, right? He's probably got the evidence of it. And so that's what that's what I think we're going there for. But, you know, he goes in there and he they, you know, we go in there together in the office together with the FBI agent and John's kind of telling his story of, you know, of his life and what's been happening since he'd been back to America and and why he, you know, felt like he needed, you know, some protection or just to alert them of what was going on. And then they asked me to leave and I thought for sure that they were going to call me in and and they're going to do all this questioning and it's going to be crazy. But nobody asked me anything which is really really strange, you know. Um but I think they didn't believe him because no one no one investigated anything. No one so he so he did. It's possible they thought he was he was paranoid. Um it's possible, you know, I don't think I don't know that he went in there like with a folder of you know, right, evidence. I don't know what he could have showed them on the phone, but I just don't think that they believed him at all. So, um, so we just went on about our lives. And so, while while we were there, there was just a lot of strange things that were happening, like nothing overly concerning, nothing overly like threatening, just just strange, you know, activity. People coming and, you know, sitting and parking but not doing anything, you know, kind of just watchers, if you will. Um, and this was something I also experienced when I would go be with my kids, you know, in California. Like I had people watching me there, not his people, cuz I knew the difference between his people watching me and other people watching me, cuz I didn't feel unsafe when his people were watching me, you know. Um, so there was just this constant threat always. And so I go I make I get on the flight to go to California to see my kids and John is there still at the hotel and then he calls me like the next day or something and he's like listen I've got people following me and um he said I'm going to go I might go dark for a little bit but I'll I'll reach out to you when I can. And um you know eventually he makes his way to me in California. Not sure exactly what all happened, but he was very concerned for his safety. So, he makes his way to me in California. He says, "We have to leave. You're like, you can't you can't stay here. You you know, otherwise we'll be putting them in danger. So, you need to come with me." Um, and I'm assuming that's because I was in danger as well. There's potential threat around me as well. So, so we left together and we're driving now to um I don't know why we went to Arizona. I don't know what exactly. Maybe he was trying to make his way back to Tennessee. So, I don't know exactly the goal, right? We were just driving away from, you know, California, but we're we are being followed on the highway. Okay. Um and we're trying to figure out how they're finding us. like how are these people finding us and following us this way because I didn't my phone battery was out of my phone like I'm like I'm super like I've been properly the fear of God has been instilled in me right ever since Portland so I wasn't [ __ ] around you know like phone's off I wasn't telling my family where I was I wasn't checking in with a pimp like none of that was happening during this time at all because now it's now it's my life on the line right I mean before it was just his but still, you know, um if anything happened to him, well, who who do you think they're going to come back to? Me, obviously, right? So, so there was that sort of, you know, making sure nothing happened to him for that. But now I'm in danger as well. So now I'm extra alert and on guard. And so John has his head of security who he had for like 20 years working for him, a man named John Pool as well. and he came to meet us uh with also the girlfriend of the biker security that we had in Portland. So, she comes as well. So, he brings a rental car. They bring a rental car and we're in John's pickup truck that he had bought. Right. That he had had all along. Yes. And so, we're outside of a Walmart in the parking lot cuz we're trying to figure out how they're following us, right? And it turns out there was a lowjack on the truck. So we none of us thought about that, right? Because there's just really extremely strange things happening with these people following us and how they were figuring out where we were with our phones not being on and the batteries when they were still making phones where you could take the battery out. So we all get into the rental car. So I'm wearing I'm in full burka. John's up front. He's got the security woman. and we're we're riding in this rental car and nobody knows that it's us. However, we're still in the same vicinity of where we left our truck, right? And so John's like, you know, everything's cool. Like, we don't have to worry. And I'm like, no. I said, there's this car that's following us, right? And it's been following us, right? I said, if this vehicle turns when we turn, then I want you to understand that we're being followed still. And so we made a right turn and sure enough this um it was a white pickup truck. It turned with us, right? So John is now he's on it, right? And he's like, "Okay." So he speeds up and then they speed up. So then he slows down ridiculously slow, like maybe 20 m an hour and we're on this like two-lane highway, right? Who's he slows down so super slow and they slow down. You know, normally you're going to go around someone driving that slow, right? but they didn't. So, he speeds up and he's doing like over 100 miles an hour now and and they're full-on chasing us now at this point, right? And so, at some point, maybe they got a call or an order to back off because they slowed down and and we kept going, you know, into this town that we were coming up on. And we were almost out of gas, so we had to stop and get gas. And, you know, I'm telling John, we need to hurry up and get out of here. we got to go. We got to go. He's like, "No, I got this. We just need to chill and just cruise." And so that's what we did and we were able to get out of town, you know, from whatever that was. We made our way to New Mexico and then we met up again with his head of security who was in the pickup truck and we we separated from the young lady and we made our way to Tennessee, which is where John P lived. So, we were now living with him on his property in the backwoods, Tennessee. And like you, nobody's coming back there if they don't live back there. And if they are coming back there and unwanted guests, well, they're going to be handled as such. So, we felt extremely safe there. Yeah. Um, and we stayed there. Stayed there for a while. Again, still going out and John doing his keynote speech speeches, still doing his interviews. Um, but that was our home base and extremely safe there. We go to uh Ireland and in Ireland that's where I told Sean what happened, what was happening. I told him about the pimp. I told him about the cartel representative. I told him about everything they asked me to do and all of the things. Like completely came clean about all of that stuff. And so, um, I was really, really scared cuz I didn't know what he was going to do, you know. I mean, he didn't obviously he was pissed, you know. Um, I thought you were going to say, he said, "Oh, I know all that." No, he didn't. Well, in so many words, you know, he didn't say, "Yeah, well, I was watching or listening or anything, but um, you know, he was like, Jesus, you know, like you like you could have got me killed. you like you could have got yourself killed, but you could have got me killed. You know what I'm saying? And he's, you know, he's very upset because of the position that put him in with his security, right? Because now they're like, "Well, who is this broad that you can't just get rid of her, right? Like, she's she's putting you in danger. She's making our job a lot more difficult." And I think him keeping me around gave him a perceived weakness that he didn't have. But people just assumed that I was a a weak link for him, you know, right? Um and so that that caused a lot of difficulty, I believe, down the road, you know, just with uh relationships, you know, and so everything's out in the open. We come back to America and we are living our lives, right? and we get we move out of um the security head of security's place and we're now moved to Lexington, Tennessee. We're still in Tennessee. Um but we have our own place and and the pimp shows up to Tennessee now after all of this time. Now, I haven't been in contact with him during this time. Um, so he shows up and same situation, you know, same sort of, okay, well, you these things you need to do for us, right? Um, because, you know, whatever. I think he was trying to just say if if I didn't do it, you know, my kids will be in danger, you know, and obviously he would be in danger. I didn't care about that. But, you know, he just was threatening, you know, my family. And so, I was very concerned about that. But I didn't I didn't tell John because now what? Cuz what am I supposed to say, right? Like I ju I had just come clean and it's like now I have but I still have this threat hanging over me cuz I don't know how serious this cartel threat is to me personally because I didn't take any money from them. Right. It would have been one thing if they paid me directly, right? But I wasn't paid. He the pimp was paid, you know, and I was threatened. But I did know that when I went back to California to see my kids, I had people following me who were clear clearly cartel, you know, Mexican people following me. So much so that my son noticed, you know, that we were being followed one day when I was there. So, um, there was just this trust issue with John, you know, that I just didn't trust him. Even though I had come clean about all of that stuff that had happened prior to, I just didn't trust him to protect me or even to protect my children, you know, and so, so I didn't share with him uh this new threat that was happening, right? But life continues to go on. And then John runs for president and um which was a wacky time, right? Yeah, it was out of nowhere. Yeah, it did really come out of nowhere. Um you know, all along he just been doing things to reinvent himself, right? Like we did the how to uninstall McAfee uh video which was went went viral. It's It was pretty funny actually. I don't know if you've seen it, but you you should watch it. I've heard it. I mean, I I haven't seen the video, but I I know he made one. Yeah, it's kind of awesome. And so, um he basically just took all of the the the news of what they said about him, how he was paranoid, and he always had guns and he was probably um a drug addict or whatever, and always with women. So, we kind of did like a parody of how to uninstall. Yeah. What was the What's this? Yeah. Is there any more like how did that idea come about? Cuz that's a a viral clip that's kind of mentioned in all these uh you know documentaries or or whatever. It's got millions of views. Yeah. Yeah. So um I don't I don't know. John was just I don't know who thought of it but but John was like um he just thought it was a good idea because there was just a lot of news a lot of negative press about him you know at the time. This is before him running for president obviously. And so, um, I think this was closer to after he was back in America. This about a few months into that, maybe that first year when we did the that video. And so, I think he was wanting to just shift the narrative of what was being, you know, said about him to just kind of lean into it, right, and make a parody of it, if you will. So, that's that was kind of the idea behind that. So, um, so it wasn't a serious run. No. God, no. Oh, the presidential. No, that was very serious actually for him. But I think it was mostly him wanting to because he couldn't be whacked on the presidential on the campaign, right? You can't like, you know, that just people try that. But that helped a lot with as far as, you know, because he was um on the campaign trail, so there was places that he needed to be, places that he was scheduled to be, and if he didn't show up, you know, there's a lot more ask questions. There's a lot more um uh you know, you're you're a lot a lot higher profile if you're doing that. More eyeballs. Yeah. Yeah. People are watching you all the time. So, it's makes it a lot more difficult for these guys. Like, do we want to this guy's [ __ ] he's going to be here, he's going to be there. There's cameras following him all the time. Yeah. It's not good. Yeah. So, that that was definitely I think a part of the plan, right? And this was also why he was doing these speeches and doing these news, you know, interviews because he wanted to keep his profile raised to keep it make it more difficult for for anyone to just sort of snatch and grab him, you know. Um, so the presidential run that was crazy. It was it was a fun time though. It was a It was a good time. It was a fun time. And um but it was also I don't know it was also kind of dangerous as well just because even though the profile was raised there were still people following us. There were still people trying to slip him a drink or you know trying to get him to a specific area. There was even an uh instance where he was served for a lawsuit or something. he gotten word that he was going to they were actually going to try to serve him on the convention floor at the national convention or the um Libertarian Party. Uh but for what re what was the lawsuit? It was I believe it was related to um his neighbor that was murdered. I think it was for that. And so we actually had to intervene in that. You know, we kind of stayed out in the lobby area just kind of watch and and they actually one of the marshals um found I think one of his security that was with us and and said, "Okay, well, we need to see Mr. McAfee cuz they I guess they didn't want to go inside." I don't know how that happened. Anyways, just I know Jimmy brought this up, so this is something that I'm touching on, but um but I think the presidential run and the speeches that John gave is is the best glimpse into who he was behind the mask of that public figure image, that sort of crazy, paranoid madman that he leaned into as well. He really did lean into that. And I think it was necessary because he didn't have the money that he want he once had. When he left Bise when he went to Bise first of all he he took whatever money he had in the banks that that went with him. So the bulk of his wealth was there in Bise. So when he had to leave that was all stolen from him. So when I met him he literally only the clothes on his back was what he had. And so without that wealth, there were different ways then that he had to creative ways he had to uh protect himself from this this great threat that he had that would have been easy to do had he have had still his money. So, I think leaning into that crazy drunk, you know, if you I don't know if you know much about John, but he would do these mixology videos on Twitter where he's mixing these crazy alcoholic beverages and and so there was just this p perception of himself that he was leaning into that he was an alcoholic and that he was, you know, on drugs and just living wild and loose, you know. Was he on drugs? No. Oh, okay. No, he's just very calculated in the way that he had to maneuver publicly. We moved houses in Tennessee. We moved to a lake house. There's a lot of crazy things happening there. That's where Jimmy entered into the scene at the end of the presidential run and and I think it was about 2017 Jimmy came. That's when he starts doing the um the cryptocurrency. Yeah, this is about that time where John gets into crypto and um so he's got to be making money again at that point. Yeah. Well, he was doing uh he was the keynote speeches that he was doing. He was being paid for those, but not obviously nothing like what he was, you know, crypto 30,000 or 50 or 80 or whatever it was. I don't know what it was, but you know, getting paid that isn't doesn't that doesn't keep that that's not enough to have three security officers, you know, on staff and pay for all the the things that it takes to be I'm sure John McAfee. Yeah. So, and it took a lot. Um, so yeah, we had we had living security, all ex-military that were living with us. Um, but the crypto stuff must have been lucrative. It was fun. It was a fun time. Um, I wasn't really so much involved in that just because just because I didn't I didn't want my hands in that because I just felt like the the people that were involved in that, the things that John was saying to me about some of the people involved in that, he was concerned with some of them. So, I didn't want to be a part of that and become someone's scapegoat, right, for whatever nefarious activity they may or may not have been involved in. Yes. Um, but the crypto time was very, it was a fun time because John would they like they were always working. They'd be huddled in the kitchen or in the living room and they'd all be on their computers and oh, look at this coin. You should check out this coin. This is when John had his coin of the day going. And then I think he had the coin of the week and um the the projects that he was getting involved in were actually projects that he believed in. So there wasn't just about making money, you know. Um it wasn't just about pumping the price, you know, that's what the coin of the day was for, right? Or the coin of the week, you know, um but also giving recognition to some projects that he thought might actually have a viable chance to do some good, you know, right? Um so it wasn't meant to just only pump bags, you know, but that's what ended up happening. But the projects he was personally involved in as an advisor, these were projects that he believed were in some way uh aligned with his core values which was privacy and and freedom, financial freedom. You know, this is what he wanted uh to bring to the market if you will, right? Like he saw crypto as a way for for everyone to be financially free. He he saw it as a great leveler, right? Leveling the playing field where there wouldn't be this disparity disparity between, you know, the wealthy and the the not so much. And so, um, during this time, you know, Jimmy becomes CEO eventually. We still have other security that's working there. We have, you know, living team members that are living there with us. There was actually an attempt on John's life. Um, I want to say it was the summer of 2018. I'm surprised Jimmy didn't tell this story because he was actually the one that found him. So, Jimmy had taken me to the airport. Now, we were now in North Carolina. We were just uh on vacation in North Carolina. And Jimmy had taken me to the airport. He uh with his wife as well. His wife was there. She was visiting. So John was at the house with uh I'm not sure if there was another security there, but there was a house full of people, some other people there. And so what Jimmy told me was when he got back to the house, he said the house was completely dark. All the lights were off. Nobody, you know, he was calling out to people, nobody was answering him. And you know, he said after about an hour or so, after not, you know, seeing anyone or hearing anyone, he said he went to go check on John. And uh because he had already tried to check on him, but didn't hear John respond, he decided to then go inside or open the door. And that's when he found him on the floor um in his own vomit, kind of gasping for air. Couldn't breathe. So they called an ambulance, rushed him to the hospital. They actually had to airlift him to another hospital. Um, it was pretty serious. So, Jimmy calls me to tell me what's going on and and so, but the problem was I couldn't fly out immediately. I had a court date with my kids cuz my dad was wanting me to get custody. And so, I was trying to wait for the court date and I figured, okay, Jimmy has this in hand. you know, Jimmy was calling me and updating me on everything. Um, I did want to be there, but I just I needed to take care of this with my kids. I didn't want them to think that I was choosing him over them, right? Even though it was a serious situation, it was a difficult choice I had to make. But anyways, you know, um once I guess once he was out of once he was out of danger or out of, you know, any imminent danger of of, you know, being permanently, I guess, injured or or what have you. I didn't I didn't know exactly. I understand. It sounds to me like he drank too much or and passed out and threw up. I mean, I'm not sure. I don't I don't know. Yeah, I'm not sure how serious at this time. I'm not sure yet how serious it is or what or what exactly happened. Um, nor did Jimmy tell me exactly what what had happened. So, so anyways, I eventually leave California and I get back to where John is. I go to John in the hospital and they have him on a ventilator and they're saying that if if we take him off the ventilator, he could die because he's not getting enough oxygen, you know. But the doctor just kept pressing this like you if he's going to die if you take him off the ventilator. I'm like okay well but he's sitting up. He looks very alert to me. Like it doesn't like he's writing things out and he's like saying demanding take me off of this ventilator. I don't want to be on it anymore. And so um you know the doctor is really going back and forth with me about that. And I was like okay well we all just watched him write this note saying that he wants to be removed from the ventilator or he wants it removed. So, let's just do that, right? He's obviously of sound mind and body for him to have written this. So, let's do that. So, anyways, they take him off and John says that what happened was someone gave him a drink and that was the last thing he remembered and he woke up in the hospital. And so, um, so I don't know exactly still to this day what exactly happened. You know, I just know what John said and that it was pretty serious. They put a they ended up putting a pick line in him. So what whatever happened it was very serious. And we get back to Tennessee. There was some other things just a lot of threats of danger. Yeah. And so now we're back and we move now to North Carolina. Jimmy's employment ended with us um it well I don't I'm not sure what was going on with Jimmy but there was just this um deterioration that was happening with him you know he just seemed to be more wired more stressed more just something was going on with him you know um and that came to a head one night where he just completely went off the rails you know, his wife came upstairs and she's like, "I'm concerned about him. He's got his gun and he's talking crazy." And and so um you know, John said, "Okay, everybody just, you know, stay back. Just leave him alone, you know, and because obviously Jimmy with a gun, you know, it could be a very dangerous situation." And so, um I think he described it as some sort of psychotic or mental break or something that happened with him. But from the outside looking in, it was really scary, you know. And so, um, he ended up spending the night. I guess he was like buried in the sand somewhere, you know? Yeah. Yeah. He went out in the swamp, right? Yeah. He stayed. Yeah. We were And everybody was like super scared. We didn't know like what cuz he's armed. You You know what I'm saying? We don't know what's going on with him. And so John was like, "When he comes back, no one talks to him except me. You know, I want to talk to him. And so, you know, John was just really concerned for Jimmy, you know, and we ended up getting him to go to a facility where they would look after him because he was, I guess, maybe or something. His wife came, so we got him in there and that's how the relationship with Jimmy ended, you know. Um, and then we found out some other things from other people that were working that Jimmy had been um scaring scaring everybody for quite some time because they just they just saw him kind of, you know, deteriorating in a way that we didn't get to see. So, um, it was just something that happened that needed to happen. You know, whatever mental issues that he had, whatever break he had, that needed to be handled first. And so that's why we separated our, you know, and the relationship ended. So after Jimmy, um, it wasn't long after that, John had gotten word that there was a a grand jury that was convened and there was an indictment coming down the the line, uh, against him, myself, Jimmy, and other people for what? Um, at the time, I don't think John knew. I think he might have known if it was tax related. Uh I just I just don't recall him sharing that with me at the time. And so John was like, "Okay, well we we're going to have to leave. You know, we're going to have to leave before they're able to, you know, come and arrest us." And so before this before all of this had happened, he had purchased a boat that he was refurbishing, you know, getting it sea ready cuz it wasn't at all sea ready. It was that was the freedom boat. The name of it was the Great Mystery. And um by the time he had gotten news about the indictment, the boat was just about ready to go. So we ended up leaving America January 2019 and we head to the Bahamas. What What are you thinking that you were being indicted when they said and you're being indicted? Would you like for what? Right. Exactly. That's exact. That was exactly my relation my reaction I should say. Um why like what what did I do? Well, like what document what documents are you on? Like has did he open up multiple accounts in your name or? No. No, he never did that. But the homes were in my name. All of all of our homes were in my name except for the last home that we purchased, a couple cars. Um that explains it. My my cars, you know. Um well, there's there's what they consider to be um you know, money related to you tax evasion that was used to pay ass for assets placed in somebody else's name. So you're hiding assets for him is what they're the way they're they're looking at it. We Well, at the very least, in order for them to seize those assets, they need to indict you, right? Okay, understood. So, they're not necessarily even thinking she's in on it. Okay. She's actively doing this, but we're going to want to grab those those those properties. So, let's go ahead and indict her so she'll just sign them over. Okay. See, my thing was that I thought they were just trying to and as a way to get to him, right? to use me as a way to to do that because we actually didn't even have those home like the homes had already sold so we didn't have those. I mean the cars are not worth a lot. I mean you know but still still assets I guess that they would want to seize. Right. Still the more people are on the indictment more potential witnesses there are against the main person that you do want. Right. Okay. Now see that's what I They don't mind they don't mind ruining your life to get get you in a position where you're willing to to testify. They don't mind doing that at all. Yeah. So, so this was why I decided to leave, you know, with John. You know, I didn't have to. Um, but this was obviously, you know, who are they going to grab up? You know, the wife always goes to prison, right? The girl always gets it. She always gets whacked in the end. So, this was, you know, my reasoning for going or or or what sort of pushed me over over the edge for sure to go with him to the Bahamas. So, we went to the Bahamas because there is no income tax there. so we could not be extradited from the Bahamas back to America. And so we were there uh maybe a month or so and then John got word that they were going to try to arrest him for anything just to get him into custody so he could be shipped back to America. And we end up going into hiding for a few days while we were um in the Bahamas. And John had installed security cameras on the boat. So we were able to tap into that and we saw actually when they came on the boat to try to come and arrest him and after that we gassed up the boat, got food and we left and went to Cuba. And Cuba was awesome actually. Cuba was awesome. The Cuban people are such a beautiful people. Like such a beautiful people. um they don't have much, but they are so happy and and loving and what they do have they're willing to share. And also it's like stepping back into the 50s cuz all of the cars that they have there is so weird. Um but uh we stayed there for a few months I think maybe few weeks I don't know it doesn't really matter but anyways we were there and there was uh someone that came from from the government we weren't John and I weren't there so we didn't see this person but anyways they came and said that uh his presence was requested to come to this location because he needed someone needed to speak with him. So we go there. It looked like some old army barracks. I don't know what exactly it was. And there was a general that John actually spoke to. And he said, you know, we're getting pressure from the US to send you back to the US, but we don't want to do that. So instead, we're going to give you 72 hours to leave. And so that's what we did. You know, 72 hours came and we left. And we couldn't go back to the Bahamas. So we decided to go to the Dominican Republic. And that took four days. 4 days we ran out of water. We ran out of food. We had our dogs with us. By this time we had four dogs. Two German Shepherds, a Commodore and Tequila still. Um and a three two security two security and Robert King who had been filming who was with John in BISE and did some filming for him there. He was one of the people that was with John when they took the picture and said we were with McAfee suckers that he was there with him as well. So he had filmed John's uh whole time on the run in Bise and he was now with us uh when we left America. So he was filming that as well. And after 4 days we get to the Domin the Dominican Republic but when we get to the to the dock they had moved all of the boats to like the back side of of the port I guess is that what it's called the port anyways to the port. And so the front side where they asked us to pull into was completely empty. And there were soldiers stationed on, you know, different areas kind of surrounding our boat where they told us to park our boat and they wouldn't allow us to get off the boat. They wouldn't allow us to talk to anyone. So we were just sitting on our boat not knowing what was going on. Eventually, two people come and get on the boat, a man and a woman, and they tell us that we have to give up our phones, and they make us sit outside of the boat. Well, we had to put the dogs up um in the captain's area. Um and then we had to stay outside on the back of the boat while they were in our boat, right? And they spent, I don't know, maybe a couple hours just in our boat doing what I don't know. We didn't know at the time, but John did have a large amount of cash on him. So, I should go back to that. When we first left the Bahamas, John sent um two of the gentlemen that were living with us in in America back to the States to close out his bank account. So, when they came back, they came back with $500,000 in cash. Okay. Now, he didn't keep all of that money on him in cash. I'm I'm not sure what he did with the rest of it, but we had about he had about a h 100,000 of in cash with him. So when we went to Cuba, we had to declare this cash. Obviously, we had to declare it in the Bahamas as well, but we declared in Cuba as well. Somewhere from there, I think they had gotten word about the cash that we had because that's the only thing that makes sense about why they refused to let us be on the boat while they were searching our boat. I mean, they completely ransacked our boat. They um kept us 4 days in detention, right, in um a jail, but they kept us in the cafeteria area for 4 days. No explanation, nothing. They told us nothing. And after the fourth day, I think they allowed us to go back on our boat to grab what we could and and then we were to leave again. They were supposed to put us on an airplane. So, like I said, when we got on the boat, our boat was completely ransacked. I mean, everything was everywhere. And John said they actually asked him um to show to show them where his money was. Mhm. Right. So, so obviously that's what they were obviously looking for. Um and I think they were upset that they couldn't find it. So, so they they were taking us supposed to take us to an airport. They didn't take us to an airport. They took us to another um facility where they had all of the prisoners in a barn. All of the men were in a barn, but the women were in their cells cuz that's where I went. And they had this empty area that was clear where they put John, Robert King. Um, and then there was two other two securities that we had with us from the Bahamas. And they made John give up the money, give over the money. Obviously, he but he had them counted out and he said, "I want a receipt for I don't even know." Anyways, but he asked for a receipt. I actually have pictures of that of that. And um I think they were still just trying to figure out how they could get a hold of this money, right? How they could, you know, have us leave and and then be able to keep our cash. But I think John asking for a receipt kind of thwarted whatever they were thinking that they could do. So we spent the night there. Eventually, we make it to immigration where they tell us that we are all being shipped back to our countries of origin. And John said, well, because he had dual citizenship of the US and the UK, he said, well, I want to go to the UK. I don't like and you legally you cannot force me to go back to the United States because I have another passport and I want to go here. So, it became this whole thing. John um got attorneys, was able to hire attorneys again to sort of um bring his argument before the courts and again situation of needing time to file these motions. So John, no, not a heart attack this time. He faked a stroke this time. And so it was really funny because he came they were counting the money to give him back the money in another office across from us. And so he came over and he said, "Um, listen, don't be worried. I'm just doing my thing." So I was like, "Okay, whatever." So he goes back to the room where they're going to count out the money. And then all of a sudden, he falls over and he hits the floor, right? And so it's super funny because all of the people are like standing there like, "Really, sir? Like get up. Like we know what you're doing, right?" And so no, like literally no one helped him. And when he came to He pretended as though he didn't know anyone. He didn't know what was happening. Who are you people? Where am I? Where's my wife? What is going on? Like he's freaking out. He's actually a really good actor. Um, and so they finally allowed me to go and talk to him and I told him, I said, "Listen, they're making me leave. They're about to take me to the airport. Okay, I love you, but I got to, you know, I got to go." So now he's like, "Okay." So, I'm now driven to the airport with everyone else. Robert King um and the two gentlemen from from the Bahamas and we're all being taken to the airport to be sent back to our countries of origin. And when we got there, there was they got a phone call and said, "Bring her back because he's in the hospital." So, they take me back to the hospital. I see him. He's chilling. He's just like, "Oh, yeah. Everything's cool. Just waiting on word." Then the the attorneys show up and they're and they're like all smiling like, "Yeah, we got it." And he's like, "Okay, well, you can't like act like that. You have to be a little more incognito." So anyways, um long story short, the the gentleman of the immigration then said, "Okay, Mr. McAfee, where would you like to go?" Right? because now this motion has been filed in court and and now um I guess whatever he was trying to have happen was now not possible because of you know the legal maneuvers that were made. So they ended up purchasing us flights to go to the UK and that's where we went and um we stayed there. John on on the flight over, John booked us a hotel and with Bitcoin. I wish I remembered what the name of the hotel was cuz it was really nice actually. Um, Bitcoin that we got to use to check in there and we stayed there. We got there on a Friday, Friday evening. So, all of the government offices were closed. So, this obviously gave us time to make our exit. So John decided that we would leave on Sunday before, you know, anyone could open up and see that we were there because obviously the UK and the US have a very close relationship and they would definitely have shipped us back. So um we made our way deeper into Europe. Um won't go into details of how we did that, but we made our way deeper into Europe. Um and eventually made our way to Spain, right? And that's where we were kind of hanging out. Detained? No, no, no. We were living living life. We were in hiding, living living our lives free. It was really nice. It was really a really nice time because um nobody knew where we were. We were safe. Uh but still able to go out in the world, you know, go and have lunch and dinner and do nice things. It was really nice. We bought scooters. We would scoot. So, it was really fun. And it was a really fun time. Um, we were traveling. We we did a European road trip. We went to Italy and Germany. Um, it was just a really good time. So, fast forward to um John has his 75th birthday, September 18th. It was a good it was a good birthday. He hated celebrating his birthday, but it was a good one. and um he was planning on going to Turkey from what I was told going to Turkey to see a friend and so mind you we had flown before so there was not an issue we knew there was no issue with John's passport right so whatever the US wanted him for they hadn't they hadn't filed like a notice with interpol no so everything was good and so uh fast forward to October 4th. John is leaving for for Turkey and he gets arrested at the airport, but he is told that he is being detained because his passport was flagged as stolen. Okay. And so they keep him, I guess, in the holding facility at the airport. That's where he is there. And then all of a sudden this red notice thing um comes up and now he's being held for um tax related charges, right? And it took a little bit of time to get in contact with him after they, you know, took him to the prison. I think about a week it took. Um and I don't know. I just I just there was something up, you know, when he left. He was he wasn't acting himself. He he was he was on edge a little bit, you know, um when he left. And I'm not sure it's if it was because he knew something was happening or or what, but he just there was just something going on. I remember I messaged him and I said, you know, just just let me know when you get, you know, to your destination safely, you know. So anyways, yeah, so he's arrested and he's he's now in jail and um uh the friends that we were with there in Spain hired an attorney for him and you know, this attorney was trying to work on getting him on house arrest, right? so he could get just get out of jail. Obviously, they're not going to do that because he's John McAfee, right? He's absolutely the definition of flight risk, right? So, um but you know, he did he did his best to legally maneuver around that. Um and John once I did once I was finally able to get in contact with him, he you know, he sounded good. You know, he sounded in in good spirits. He he said that um the people were kind to him, you know, uh they were surprised that he was in that prison because he was just in I guess what we would call general population. General population. Yeah. With with all like he wasn't housed in some, you know, sort of cushiony area of the of the prison. He was with, you know, general population. So all of the criminals that were there, he was he was with them. Um, he said he had one instance where someone tried to get in his face, but one of the other gentlemen stepped in between. So, he had protection in there. I don't know if that was something that he arranged or if it was just people, you know, looking after him because he was, you know, older man. And, you know, again, they're just surprised that he was in there like especially for what he was being charged with. Um, they called him Papa America. That was his nickname. um the guards, you know, he had good relations with guards. At least this is what he's telling me. Now, the the situation could have been extremely different. Well, I don't think they're going to put him into a position. They don't want to put him into a position where he's in harm's way. I mean, they have different levels of uh they have different levels of security. So, they're probably not put didn't put him out in with the axe martyrs. Where were you staying? I was still with the with the friends that we we had been staying with. Okay. Yeah. So, um, I didn't go and visit him because he didn't he didn't want me to. You know, he was there was a concern that if I did, I would be followed from, you know, from the prison and then people know where, you know, where we were staying at. And then also, um, you know, he just said he didn't want to see me that way, you know, and he didn't want me to see him that way. So, so I didn't go, but I did talk to him again. I, as I mentioned earlier, I talk to him every day. Uh, three times a day. Early in the morning, afternoon, and then in in the evening. 8 minute calls. 8 minutes. Just not nearly enough time. But, um, I would give him, you know, I would go through, he asked me to find like headlines of what's happening in the news, kind of keep him up to date of what was going on. And he would, you know, dictate his tweets to me. and um just to uh you know so I could so I could keep his voice out there right and and just keep again just making it a little difficult for for him to just be taken out right this is still the concern that's what his fear is get him back to the United States that he'll be what Epstein not Epstein but I think taken taken to a a CIA a black site and tortured um I was going to wait to ask these, but it's probably a good time to ask now. Um, just for if you have any information or like stories behind some of these tweets. Um, and some of these may have been tweeted by you or by him. But, uh, you know, one is, I am content in here. I have friends. The food is good. All is well. Know that if I, you know, off myself all Epstein, it will be no fault of mine. Was that something that you had to say for him? No. No. No. So all of the tweets that you see after October of 2020 were all me. Those were those were all the tweets. That one was But those were those were not tweets that I was Yeah. Yeah. I'm saying that he told he making up. Yeah. Right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's what he meant. He these are you were doing that for you. I was tweeting for him. Telling me what to tweet him. So and that was Do you know h how how far before October 15th was? So he didn't he didn't um it was 2021 2021 June 23rd 2021. Okay. So he was in jail for um 9 months almost 9 months. And then um some of his other tweets now these are earlier you know he got the tattoo dollar sign whacked and the tweet is getting my subtle messages from the US government saying in effect we're coming for you McAfee. We're going to off yourself. I want that I got this tattoo just in case if I off myself I didn't right you know I was whacked yeah this was his this was him tweeting you know so everything before October that was him tweeting sometimes he had other people tweet for him as well but but that was one of his tweets and um what was going on then I don't I don't know I don't not that I can recall I don't recall feeling that there was a a threat or anything uh um okay that's fine Um, and these are just like kind of the most popular ones. This is I don't have the date on this one, but I've collected files on corruption in governments for the first time. I'll be naming specifics. I'll begin with the corrupt CIA agent and two Bohemian officials. Coming today, if I'm arrested or disappear, 31 plus terabytes of incriminating data will be released to the press. Is there any Yeah. Yeah. I know. Yeah, I definitely 100% believe that the information he said he had, he had for sure and he was absolutely going to dox those people that you just mentioned in the tweet, but he got a phone call from someone who advised him uh that that would be um not a good course of action. So, he he he backed off from that. And that was before I think that was around the time where um when I had mentioned earlier that he had said he had gotten word that they were going to just try to arrest him. I think that that um tweet came around that same time. What was John's thoughts on Epstein like as far as how things ended for him? because I see like obviously I think it's very similar cases where it's a high-profile person who apparently has off themselves and uh it seems that or people believe that they have incriminating evidence or or things against people of higher power or you know what was his whole thoughts on that situation and are there do you think there's similarities or especially you would think you would think that They're incarcerated, surrounded by cameras and and guards. You'd think this is an extremely safe place that they would be. No, not at all. So, John So, John um was very vocal about what he thought happened. And he spoke about the cameras, how they were malfunctioning or turned, you know, so that it didn't capture how the guards were asked to go home or they went home early, something happening. But the biggest thing that he um spoke about was the fact that Epstein had a salemate who was moved. I believe it was either the day before um he, you know, offed himself allegedly or or um maybe hours before. And John also tweeted about the gentleman that they said was moved into uh the sale, which is someone by the name of Nicholas Tartagleion, I believe is the name. Anyways, interesting gentleman and his photograph. So, John was um I don't think I heard anyone talk about this, but John tweeted about that. That was something that he tweeted out about as well, like before he was arrested. So, I don't know again if any of these things had to do with uh maybe the information that he might have collected or something like that cuz I don't know how he was able to get all of that information about this gentleman being moved um into his cell. And then also even the autopsy report that said his neck was broken in several places, Jeffrey Epstein's neck, right? Would you well I guess you could break your neck and what if you're trying to you know harm yourself but not in the way that he right like it doesn't make sense neck would be broken right that's what like these independent um uh people that have looked at looked over they're saying that the the bones were broken in the wrong spot or weren't able to be broken. And it would, you know, there was there Well, there's all kinds of speculation. And then the cameras just like malfunctioned. I don't know. I I know the guards were uh fell asleep. Like I think one or two of the guards had said they fell asleep. Yeah. Like you fell asleep at the correct time, at the perfect time, and the you know, uh and the camera stopped working. Um Yeah. So he I think he believed um well I I'm not sure if he believed he faked his death or whatever, but he definitely believed he was murdered. Like he did not believe that he killed himself. Not at all. Just obviously with the body of evidence, you know. Um so that that was kind of his thoughts on on that and I think that's what why he tweeted or asked me to tweet what what I did relating to his own situation, you know, being in jail. So, and then um I just have one more tweet to read and this is just kind of maybe to add context. Uh this is from 2018. He tweeted the quote unquote presidential alerts. They're capable of accessing the E911 chips in your phones, giving them full access to your location, microphone, camera, and every function of your phone. This is not a rant. This is for me. This is still one of still one of the leading crypto or cyber security experts. Wake up people. So what is he's kind of what throughout the your time together he's kind of whistleblowing about privacy and absolutely privacy was a major focus for John obvious for obvious reasons because you know we were we were in constant danger you know and the cell phones were obviously the easiest way for us to be tracked John absolutely believe that they are spy devices you know that you're carrying with you a spy device is listening to you um they voluntarily got you to b got you to purchase a something that allows them to track you and and listen in on your conversations and and so I and I think that we can see this. I think even the the normal regular person can see this, you know, that there there's there's an insecurity in this world that should not be. And this was something that John was vocal about, you know, privacy and and using the technology in a way that can, you know, bring back privacy and and that's what he was hoping, you know, crypto could do that as well, which is why he promoted privacy coins like Monero. You know, that was a big one that he talked about because it was completely private. You know, no one would know um how how much you had or where it was going or who was giving it to you. you know, could be completely private, whereas all of the others is not. So, it's sort of built in. Yeah, it's built in that way. The the lack of privacy is built in. It's almost intentional, you know, that that and I think for for John, the fact that he spoke about this so much is that he just saw that inherently we just don't we just don't look at the other side of things like we we see the things that we want to create like the cell phone the it's a great thing that we created, right? But at the same time though, we don't think about okay, who can manipulate this technology for nefarious purposes? And we don't build, you know, as we're building these things, we don't build in those protections from the ground up when you we very easily could do that, you know. Um, one of the things that John talked about a lot was having um um a ghost phone is what he called it. A phone in which you had hard switches for the power, for the Wi-Fi, for the Bluetooth, for your location. So that way you can't be tracked if you wanted to. And instead of it being software, it'd be a hard switch and you turn it off. And there's actually a company, I believe in Germany, who's coming out with with the phone that was similar to what John was was talking about. I think a lot of the things that John talked about are still relevant today. And that's what's super important to me. Not just telling the story of how he died because people need to know that as well, but also everything that he spoke about is so relevant today now that's happening. When you think about I think I mentioned to to KBI uh the situation that happened in in Iran where Israel was able to strike and and take out the leadership you know over there uh because they were able to get all of those people into a room that took just a little bit of social engineering and obviously I'm sure you know tracking phones and all of that right but it's it's kind of for me it's just I just see all of these things and how they're related to the things that John was talk about, you know, and how important it is to have our privacy, how important it is to just be able to live a normal life, right? You need to have some privacy. Like, I'm I don't know you. You're a nice man. Allegedly, you seem that way anyways, you know, but I wouldn't come in here sharing my deepest, darkest secrets with you or giving you my, you know, my bank account information or my passwords, right? I just wouldn't do that. And yet we we carry these devices around with us and and we we're trusting it to to uh keep our secrets and it's just not built that way. Right. My fear of crypto is kind of like the the when when the Canadian truck drivers didn't want to take the COVID vaccine. Okay. You you see what I'm saying? And so what they do, they said, "Oh, okay. We'll shut down all your your bank accounts." That to me was like okay well that's that's that's crypto and that's so if I it's not crypto but I'm saying this the same thing if suddenly we're all using digitized money that is controlled by the government then suddenly they say oh by the way you can only spend so much money on you know on groceries or you can only do that you know they start having the ability to limit what you know what you you know what you can spend your money on and then if you're not behaving behaving correctly, well then guess what? You can't buy gasoline anymore. You can't you we're just going to shut all your crypto down. Something along those lines. You it depending on the type of crypto it is and who has control of it. Um I understand a lot of people think, you know, you're thinking, you know, freedom. Yeah. You know, a lot of people think freedom. I think no, no, they're tracking all of your money and that that bothers me. And if there was a way to unregulate it, then you know what I'm saying? then I would be I'd be okay with it as long as you just can't shut it down, right? Well, I think to your point about the Canadian truck drivers, they they prove that they could shut it down. Now, yes, it's in Canada and that's not even crypto. That was just a regular bank account, right? And so, um, and obviously it's it's Canada, so, you know, maybe that can't happen here in the States, but it will definitely happen here in the States. We just haven't had anyone pull the trigger on it yet. Um, as it relates to crypto though, yes, definitely with centralized exchanges, this can definitely be happen for sure. And this was a thing that John spoke about a lot, having decentralized exchanges so that there's not someone that the government can come to with a warrant or say, hey, you know, shut this down because I said so, right? And and if we're using decentralized exchanges, if we're using privacy coins, then they can't do that. and makes it a lot a lot more difficult. And so crypto can be it it is very invasive. You know, it is there, you know, Bitcoin is very wide open. If you send Bitcoin to someone, they can forever look in your wallet and see how much Bitcoin you have, right? Like, so it's very there is no privacy as as far as that. So there are ways to protect yourself um as you transact, you know, with crypto. And so this is the the idea behind the antivirus project that I've become involved with. We are rolling out some of the privacy ideas that John was was speaking about. Um having a VPN, having um encrypted email service. Also we we have a product where you can purchase gift cards with our token. There's also a token connected to it. So you can purchase gift cards with our token. So, this allows you to transact privately as well. Just adds another layer of privacy. We have a Salana mixer as well. So, you can mix your auntie and your Salana. Um, this just rolled out. We just rolled that out last month. And so, there are ways definitely that you can What's the name of the Sorry, what's the name of the service? It's called antivirus. Anti just antivirus. Antivirus. Like antivirus like.com like is that where is that where you go? The the website is antivirus.ai AI and that's where you can go to find out and it's spelled A I N TI virus V I R U S and so it's just a play on the antivirus but it's antivirus because we also have an AI John McAfee AI that's um making podcasts it's really cool um making what are the podcasts about any any just a variety of subjects it's our hope that one day we will be able to have guests on with the with the AI Is it like an AI image of Yes. Oh, is it? Yeah. What do they call those when they make them and it's Is it like a It's a clone or a copy or I don't know a digital digital copy of you. Yeah. So, it's really I don't know. It's really cool. Yeah. I I I really like the idea of it. So, I'm going to be the first guest once we once we get it there. I think the concern that the team has is that if they sort of remove the training wheels or the security or not security features, but what I would like to see happen is to just let the AI go free, right? And whatever it's going to say, it's going to say, right? Because that's kind of the the attraction of John McAfee, like you never knew what he was going to say or what you were going to get from him. And I think the AI should mimic that for sure. And I think once once we get it there, I I would be the first uh to be interviewed by the AI. Is this a bunch of guys in a garage or is this like a big corporation that that Well, no, it's not a corporation. It's not a start. Is it a startup? Yeah, it's like it's a gr a grassroots team of people that just completely believe in um John's message. You know, nothing wrong with a bunch of guys in a garage, you know, like that's how started. So, I'm not knocking it. I'm wondering is it like is it like you know Microsoft came in and said we're going to put here here's a team and we're going to run with this or it's a bunch of guys that said this is what we should do. Yeah. No, just a bunch of guys who want to honor honor the legacy of John McAfee and and who understand that that what he believed in what he preached if you will about is very much relevant today. very much relevant today and will become more relevant as crypto is introduced more mainstream you know because it is coming of CBDC so there is that's going to come a crypto that that is run and controlled by a government and I think you're seeing the race to that right now between you know did Trump sign that bill because it passed you know I'm the the big beautiful bill yeah but I believe it's within I mean yeah there's a bunch of stuff within within it the Genius Act you're talking about. Is that was it was that separate or was that just a portion of that bill or is that a separate bill? I don't know. I don't know either. I don't know either. Yeah, Pete would know. But Pete is saying that it it it wasn't it was p something passed that had to do with crypto um and something that made it more stable that would stabilize crypto would allow you to invest in crypto including allow you to invest your your retirement fund in crypto. Like there were certain things you couldn't do and that this was stabilizing and he was saying that Trump was definitely willing to sign it. So, I kind of assumed it was attached to the to the big beautiful bill that had just passed, but I could be wrong. I'm wrong all the time. But either way, it's definitely, you know, like, let's face it, like Trump loves crypto and there's three and a half more years, right? You know what I'm saying? So, it's going to be implemented in some way. And then there are people that are saying, "Hey, they should place us on kind of like the gold standard and place us connected to crypto," which terrifies me. But then everybody else is saying, "No, no, that you don't understand. It will stabilize the dollar." I have no idea. No idea how. I have no idea either. But I but I do um I think your concern is valid that yes, once once we get a governmentisssued uh crypto, definitely we'll have to be concerned about it coming down the pike that yeah, okay, I don't like what you tweeted about and so we're going to cut off your money, right, until you step in line, right? And that's definitely coming down the pike for sure. You know, one of the things that terrifies me is that like I keep thinking to myself like I don't I don't really know what's going to happen with crypto. I don't really know what's going to happen with AI. I don't really know what's going to happen with these robots. But the people that probably do know are buying up land on islands that are self-sufficient and bearing and building bunkers. Yeah. And shrugging it off when people people ask them about they're like, "Oh, that's nothing. That's just like a storage unit. It doesn't mean anything." I don't know. I feel like, you know, I feel like if Mark Zuckerberg is Zuckerberg is building a a self-sustaining complex on an island that you can't really get to. Yeah. I feel like maybe he he he knows something. Yeah, maybe. You know, maybe Elon Musk is isn't really worried about humanity. He's just thinking, you know what, listen, the world's going to go to [ __ ] I'm going to build a place on Mars. Maybe that's what, you know, I like to think he's thinking, "No, we need a second home for humanity." Or maybe it's maybe Dr. Evil. Maybe he's a Zuckerberg's got his island. [ __ ] it. I'm going for a planet, right? I don't know. I don't know. There's definitely something something's a foot. What's Bezos doing? You know, listen, if Bezos and and Bill Gates have their own bunkers somewhere, which they probably do. I mean, you got to know. Yeah. You got to know things. There's some bad there's some [ __ ] coming down. So, for sure. But for sure, but let's let's hope that everything's great in 5 10 years. And not or just or just make sure that you're prepared, right? I think everybody should be invested in crypto. Pay my bills. Yeah, right. Prepared. I'm not buying a bunker. Well, you don't need a bunker, but bows and arrows. government won't even give me let me have a gun. I can't even have a gun. Oh yeah, you're a felon. I'm [ __ ] harmless. You kick my door in. I'm going to use what? Harsh language. But but supposedly supposedly there's now a a an avenue where they're allowing you to get your gun rights back federally. Really? Supposedly. But I mean I always think when I hear things like that I'm excluded. I always think I'm excluded. Why? Well because because I I owe restitution, you know. Okay. And you could be making payments, but I'm never paying off $6 million, right? You know, all the planets would have to align, right? You know, cats and dogs would have to start getting getting along, and this just is not going to happen. And and so I think to myself, that, you know, it's like being able to vote. Oh, you're a felon. You can vote. No. Yeah. No. I have to be able to pay off my restitution. It's $6 billion. I will never be able to vote. And there's just certain things. Oh, you're a felon. If you're a felon, you're allowed to get your gun rights back. No. But I I'm assuming they're going to connect it to because it's typically those types of things are once you've completed all of your requirements and then you say, "Oh, I'm off probation." Yeah, but don't you Oh, something. Well, why don't you find out? Because they just announced it like two days ago. Pam Pam Bondi Bondi. Yeah, I want to say Bundy. Pam Bondi. Yeah, they just announced that she had that what it was and I I saw a couple Tik Toks about it and I just didn't look into it because my attention span is about the length of it a short Tik Tok at that. So I I'll I'll ask somebody else to look as my wife like can you read into this and she'll be like God you're lazy. So anyway, so yeah. So, so the the the whole system that's being devised or created that you're working on is set up in order to try and keep you anonymous. Yes. To help and allow you to be tracked. Yes. Yeah. at least because honestly no one like if you're if I'm sending you crypto, you shouldn't then be able to have free access into my wallet to see how much I have, where it's going, who's sending me. Like that's just a ridiculous notion. And so these privacy products that we are bringing to market are going to help the individual bring um some cloak and dagger, if you will, to their to their transacting as it relates to crypto. Yeah. And so that's what that's what the hope is. Well, it's just funny that the government's constantly trying to enact these laws and rules that allow them to just track everything. Everything. You open a corporation now. Oh, well, I think that it's actually that that I think Trump got rid of this rule, but under Biden, they passed something where they said, "Hey, if you have any ownership in a in a corporation, you have to notify us." M well that's the whole purpose of me opening a corporation because it's an independent entity from me. Like if that's the case, I might as well buy these properties or do whatever in my name. The point is to buy something that you don't that you're not connected to to create a business or an entity that you can sell that can live on its own. You can for whatever reason. It's like all of these things is like why do you need to know that? Like if the corporation isn't paying his taxes, right, then you go after the corporation, not the individual, right? Why do you need to know? To me, it's like, no, no, we need to be able to go after you. Mhm. It's Yeah. We need to hire more more IRS agents for what? Oh, we need to give them guns. Why? What's going on? It's ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous. The, you know, we have to literally lay ourselves bare before our government. But, but when we ask for the same which has been proven over and over again to not be trustworthy. Right. Exactly. So, I mean, you can't trust them to, you know, to even to be to be transparent even though they preach transparency every time. Yeah. You know, every time a new uh president or somebody comes in and starts pulling back the layers, you know, even Trump, which I would have thought, hey, this is most likely your last term. um regardless of your argument um that most likely it's your last term like he's just going to do insane like just do stuff that people wouldn't do because they're afraid it it's but even even certain things he's holding back on you know holding back here it's like initially it was you know just executive order executive order like we're just going to tear the house down we're burning the whole place down and then suddenly it's like well wait a minute now maybe that's too much maybe but Why why are you holding back on this or holding back on that? Or who you know who stepped forward and said, "Hey, man, come on. That's going to destroy my you know my business if you pass that law or like I don't know. It wor it just worries me. It's just everybody that gets in there, it kind of worries me." And I I mean, you know, and I'm not saying anything negative against, you know, uh Trump or the Republicans, you know, or the Democrats. It's just it it always seems like they're they're not always just bothers me these people get into power and then that they don't have the best always have the best interest of the indiv of the US of the people that they're representing. Right. Right. It puts you in power. I voted you in power to do these things and and none of those things are happening. Right. Some of them are happening. Well, but you know Not enough to make a difference, right? Well, I don't know. I mean, I guess it depends on if you're directly result uh related. I I just think here here's what bothers me. I don't understand why you need so much control over my life and why you have to tell me what to do and what not to do and what I can know and what I can't know. For national security, I understand that, right? Like these people are like, "Oh, we shouldn't have a a government. we shouldn't do. Okay. Well, don't be foolish, bro. Like, if you if we eliminated soldiers and the police, it would be straight anarchy. If you if you, you know, got rid of the the the military, you know, oh, we should all, you know, open borders and stop it. They would they will come in here and just take everything you have, you know, like some people are just foolish. And and in some instances, you have to elect officials that know the big picture. Yeah. And will make decisions that are in your best interest um that you can't vote on individually. Does that make sense? Because they have the full picture that you can't have. Right. So you wouldn't let a child make their own decisions. Right. Right. So, you know, you and I will never know the full picture on some things, but th that's those decisions are few and far in between, right? You know, like that that's national security type stuff. That has nothing to do with you looking in my bank account. No, nothing at all. Yeah. Or knowing, you know, where Yeah. where I'm spending my money or any of those things or where I'm investing or I don't I don't like it. No. No. I'm not a fan of big government. The less the better. I haven't been doing anything wrong. I just don't think you need to. It's any of your business. It's not. It's my TV star watching even though I keep tell I don't I keep telling myself no there's no camera in the TV. You know, but then I think but it or is there you know just like how many times have you never talked about turkeys. You never talk about turkeys. I never talk about turkeys. I never bring up turkeys. And then one day Jess says, "Oh my gosh, I saw this so this funny video about a turkey or or I saw this these three turkeys. Did you know I went to Eore City and we were eating uh and and there were turkeys like walking around these chickens walking out. That's crazy." And I'm like, "Oh, that is crazy." And [ __ ] two hours later, I open up Instagram and I'm getting videos of turkeys to music with sunglasses on and they're they're doing this to the music and I'm like, "That's weird." Well, yeah. What about the time we were here and you were talking and Matt said, "Yeah, I need to film two ads today." Just said it verbally. And then you went to text somebody and he's like, "Yeah, hold on. I need" And then it autopop populated your text. It started autopop populating. I need to f film two ads, right? Yeah. When is that normal? When is that a a natural thing that people say in g in general on tax? Never. Never. It happens all the time. and I it's creepy and they're like, "Oh, no. It's only for the purpose of this. That that information doesn't go any f any further than come on, cut it out. That's nonsense, right? Of course, it's not true." But it just lets you know how how much it's spying on you, right? And then when you think about the things that you maybe are saying that you don't want anyone to know, you know, maybe you're with your wife and it's, you know, husband and wife time, okay? you know, maybe that's not, you know, ideal if your phone is picking all that up, right? I mean, it's just when you think about the implications of it, it's it is scary. Yeah. Yeah. I was talking to a guy yesterday. Um, his name is Mark Savant and he specializes in uh in AI and the implementation of AI and marketing with people uh companies with AI and all all kind he does all kinds of stuff with AI. We've had him on here before. Yeah. Okay. And we were talking and I was telling him about like basically talking about using AI like um Google came out. There's several there's really only three or four major companies that have come out that are allowing you to subscribe. Mhm. where you use prompts, okay, to you know this, you know, hey, I want, you know, I want a guy who's six foot two who's in prison walking down a hallway, you know, you give them the prompt and and it it generates this little and typically you get about six to eight seconds is what it will generate. Doesn't it won't do a whole thing. What's so funny is you only need that for the shorts. You only need that. Yeah. So if you It'll cut up multiple different things that are happening and then when they piece it together, you're like, "Oh my gosh, it's a whole movie." Well, they're only six second scenes. Six or eight seconds. People like, "Oh, it did the whole it'll do a whole 3 minutes or seven minutes." No, no, look at it again. It's only little tiny. But, so I was talking to him about doing that cuz Kobe and I have this kind of this idea for a second channel where we do kind of premier stuff. Um, and I was talking to him about B-roll and this and this and how it works. And he was talking about how fast it's happening and how fast it's being implemented and and uh as we were talking, you know, I was talking about how jobs are being replaced, you know, the tons of jobs are being replaced and everybody seemed to think, you know, like, oh yeah, they're using AI for this and AI for that. And the companies are excited. Mhm. And I don't know, maybe people are excited. People are kind of think it's cool about the robots, but I just think in five years from now, I was watching something the other day where they were talking about like the jobs that are safe are jobs like in the trades. And the only reason they're those jobs are are safe is because a robots right now they're not their hands they're not ambidextrous enough and I think that's the right word. I could be wrong, but to like you can see them, you know, pick up the can and do that, right? But they're not drywalling your house, right? You know, they're not going to do your they can't walk in and do plumbing, right? They can't you those types of things they're not going to be doing for a while. Yeah. But they are at some point. And so five years from now when they're doing that, there are robots everywhere. And Elon M talks about it and it always sounds ridiculous when he's like, "Oh, I believe there will be, you know, 400 million robots." get the [ __ ] out of here. what are you talking about that you within the next 5 years you're like that's not going to happen but but it's possible but you know something along that maybe not to that extent but and I don't know what the number was he said but but the point is is that that's going to be devastating and and then I have people say oh well it won't take a job like yours but yeah but people won't have money right my job won't matter at all it'll wipe it out and then you think the government's not going to be scared because they're going to desperate for money of course you know and it's it's it's it's the future is so I watch a thing where they were saying like this is like the industrial revolution only this is nothing this is got the industrial revolution is like a hiccup this is like everybody immediately doesn't have a job you like what do you do it's going to be wild it'll be it could be you know horrific and what do you do for money where's what does money become when nobody Nobody has a job and nobody's getting paid and people are on the streets or do they stop you being on the streets and then it's okay well oh no no no you can't evict anybody okay well what happens how am I supposed to pay my mortgage when I can't you know is is no matter what somebody is losing huge and the government's desperate for for money to try and keep things afloat how do they do that it's a it's a terrifying time taxes yeah but taxes taxes how do you where do you get taxes from when nobody has a job how do I tax you if you know you say oh well you know taxes well how do I collect taxes when the tax base shrinks to almost nothing I mean you you think you know to talk about the halves and the have nots it's wild it's wild to think about it where where things are headed and what's funny is that these people are building these bunkers and these people the people with money are like oh it's going to be great it's going to revol like they don't seem very typically business owners have a long-term view of the economy. And it doesn't seem like they're they're thinking that way at all now. Like like the moment you remove the middle class and replace them with robots that are under the control of the elites, you have a suddenly you have a ma those middle class become poor and now you've got 3% of society that have is owning 95% of the wealth, right? And these people are hungry and they'll just come they'll come and execute the elites. Yeah. Like they like like I don't I mean I guess maybe maybe at that point you hope you're on your own planet or maybe you're on that island with your own private security. Like I don't know what you're thinking because at some point the those people will say, "Hey, these guys have everything and we have nothing." And that's when you end up having some kind of a communist revolution. Yeah. And maybe that's what the bunkers are for. Maybe. I don't think it ends well. No. Either way, I don't think it ends well. For bunker or not, I think eventually people get in there. Yeah. You know, with enough time and pressure, I'm going to get through that door. Mhm. Have a little chitchat with Walmart. Have a little talk with a bad idea, right? You know, so yeah, it's definitely But if they got your crypto, if they got your stuff, then at least they're crypto saving. Well, yeah, we'll see. We'll see what h I mean I do believe that the dollar is going to is going to I just believe the dollar is going to crash, you know, and I think crypto will become the standard and how that plays out. I don't I don't know. And it will be scary times for sure and uncertain times for sure. But um I do definitely think that's the next move, right? Because we're already pretty much a cashless society, right? You know, I think I've paid cash a few times and people look at me like I'm like I'm handing them the Ebola virus. You know, they're like, "What is this foreign thing?" You know, it's weird. Have you ever gone in? We went to New Orleans and like there was an area where you could go sit. They as we were walking in to go sit, they said, you know, this is cash only. And I was thinking to myself like they have to they have to remind you because nobody has cash, right? You know, they're afraid you're going to order and everything and then be like, "Oh, I I have my phone or I have a credit." Yeah. But I remember thinking to myself like that they have to make sure you know because nobody's got cash. N I almost never have cash. I only have cash when I go on vacation. Yeah. Cuz my fear is something's going to happen when I need to have a couple hundred bucks. So I'm also working on um I just started this um company. It's called Janice McAfee SEO. So it's just SEO work which is search engine optimization. And it's something I got into when I was in Spain, uh, waiting for John's body to be released. And, um, I like it because I feel like it h it's it's helping me to sort of take back the narrative of mine and John's story, right? Like there's a certain narrative that's that has been told as it relates to John's story. And I feel like this um SEO work is going to help me to recapture my story, you know, and and tell it in the way that it should be told, you know, and so also just doing consulting work as relates to SEO work. So that's kind of super exciting. So, can we jump back to when when you found out when you got the phone call or were notified that uh that John had passed away? Yes. How how does that happen? So, um, so, okay, let me just I'll just give before I get there, let me just give you a little idea of what was happening. So, John had we hired um his friends hired an attorney, Spanish attorney for him. And then we had to get two American attorneys because there were two cases now being brought against him. The one that was tax related and then there was another one that the SEC brought. And I believe that the SEC just brought that as a way to make sure that if this tax thing doesn't go the way we want it to go, he has this other thing. So, they won't consider releasing him, right? Just to make sure that they've got him. So, we had an attorney um representing, you know, u two separate attorneys representing either either case. And then we hired an additional Spanish attorney who was uh specialized in extraditions and and who had actually you know did um had some cases where where the US were involved. So he was he had a more focused expertise in in that. And then we had another attorney in the UK because John had dual citizenship. So we were trying to see what we right what we could do as it relates to that. So leading up to the day, John had a court date where they were going to make their ruling on the extradition. And so the plan the well, I won't necessarily say the plan, but we we all knew that there were the extradition was going to be granted, right? That's just what was going to happen. Yeah. And then obviously the next steps would be to fight the extradition, right? To appeal and appeal and appeal and so forth. So um when it came for him to go to court, none of us believe that he would be extradited that day or the next day or week or month or year, right? It would take time for that to happen, right? So there was no loss of hope or just suddenly, you know, oh my god, they're they're going to extradite me, you know, like he John knew that there was a plan in place, right, of what the next steps were going to be and how the attorneys were going to move forward with that. So, um, so I spoke to him early in the morning that day and before he went to court. So, he called me earlier than normal cuz he wanted to talk to me before he went to court. And he he sounded um he sounded like self, but he sounded unsure, I guess, would be a good way to to describe it. You know, just kind of um tense, you know, cuz you don't know what's going to happen. You don't you know. Um, and then he called me again after after he went to court and you know he was disappointed with the decision but again it was not a surprise to any of us to him at all and he asked you know when was his attorney going to come and see him. So I explained to him you know I spoken with the attorney he's going to come and see you um he's going to come and see him later that week and you know that the plan is to appeal and all of the things. So, we talked about that and um and then he said that uh he said, "I love you and and I'll call you later." So, um and later would have been like what about 5 or 6 p.m. And um so I'm going through my day. I don't know what I was doing. Listening to music or um maybe collecting headlines. collecting headlines cuz I I still have them actually. Uh cuz I would write it write out the headline and just uh anyway, so I still have those and I was on Twitter and I got a notification of a DM and it was all capitals that said, "OMG, tell me this isn't true." And so I'm not sure why, but I just immediately thought of John and I immediately went to Google and I Googled his name and that's how I found out that he had died. And so it was up within It was up immediately. Okay. So it wasn't even like a day. No. Which is which is strange because not even his attorney got a phone call, right? Right. Um, they had my phone number. I John listed me as his wife in the paperwork. We we had divorced in America. So, we were divorced at the time on paper anyways. Um, but it but still he listed me as his wife on his prison intake paperwork. So, they had my phone number, the same phone number John was calling. They didn't call me either. Um, but they but they called the newspaper, but it went straight to the news. Straight to the news. Um, so that's how I found out. When when did when did the authorities or the when did they contact you to say they didn't? Nobody ever called to say, "Hey, no, this is what's going on." No, the attorney um I'm not even sure if the attorney got a phone call from them. I obviously I think once the news broke out reached out to them. Yeah. But I I never got a phone call from from anyone. And so, um, you know, I kind of toggled between, you know, disbelief and and like devastation. I still do. Um, you know, just be just because, you know, just playing devil's advocate here a little bit. You know, obviously he'd been in there for 9 months and, you know, it could have been a lot worse than what he told me. You know, I have no idea what he actually went through in there. It could have been terrible. You know, um he had lost a lot of weight, but honestly, he was a little fat, right? um he's you know very slender anyways naturally you know but he had gained some weight you know stress whatever life and and so he I think that was just the weight that he lost you know yeah but you don't have a refrigerator with food in you know you're right so you're going to lose weight it's easy to lose weight just natural if you just eat eat what they're if you eat what they're giving you you're which is probably about a 2,000 calorie a day diet you're going to lose weight the problem is that most People in the US, we overeat every meal and we snack. Yes. And we don't exercise, right? But that's all there is to do in there is kind of walk around this. You're limit your calories. You're going to lose weight naturally. That doesn't mean it's doesn't necessarily mean it's stress. No. Yeah. Yeah. And it doesn't like you said, it doesn't sound like um had the cuz this is what I had thought happened was that I thought that they had that the court had said he's going to be extradited and then he was found. No. So they the it was just the they were just granting the extradition. Had they even granted it? They had they that was the decision that they had came. Okay. So they did come to it come to that decision. Yeah. But even then it's not they're not coming. It's not like guys are storing themselves. It's now there's a whole process to get to to that point and then it's where he's getting extradited to. Is it the United States? Can he go back to uh the UK? United States. They were saying to the US. Yeah. Okay. To answer for the charges. Okay. Either way, I don't see Well, I guess that's wasn't his fear wasn't going to prison in the United States. His fear was them getting him into a position where they had control over him, him having an accident, something along those lines. Torturing him. That's what he was worried about. Um that that was a great concern for him. I'm not sure what happened with him in Bise, but he said it it's never going to happen to him again. So, um, so that was the concern. Yes. That they would get him and and torture him for whatever to try to get the information that he had. Um, it must have been some pretty damning information, you know, uh, for for that level of hunting. That's the best way I can describe it. It was a constant hunt from the time that I met him, you know, that they were just after him always. And so it must have been some pretty, like I said, some pretty damning information. So, um, [Music] yeah, it was a rough day. Anyways, it was a rough couple of days. and and so um I think after I'm sorry I'm getting back to the day when he when he found the news. So um I think it was later at the at the end of the week I was able to go to the prison and get his belongings and the head of the the guards the he was he was in there. There was a woman in there. I don't remember her position, but the gentleman said that, you know, John was was a really nice man. He really liked him. Um, he never caused any trouble. He was always smiling and, you know, trying to um like telling jokes and things. One of the jokes was um like during co during co John took my underwear, he would wear my underwear uh thong underwear as a mask. That was his So he would go, it was so funny. He'd go, we'd be at a restaurant, he'd pull it out of his pocket and he'd do like this and shake it out just to make sure everyone saw that it was underwear and then he'd put it on his face. So he did that in the prison. Someone um one of the prisoners uh girlfriend or whatever significant other sent underwear in the mail and so that's what he did in there and they got a big laugh out of it. But anyways, um yeah, so this is what this gentleman told me. But something else he told me, which was so random because it didn't really fit into the conversation, was that um John's feet were on the floor when they found him. His feet were on the floor. And I don't know why that was important for him to share that with me, but he he shared that with me obviously in Spanish. She didn't speak English, but he he wanted to make sure that I knew that, which is the same thing that that they said about Epstein. When they found him, his feet were on the floor. So, I don't know. That's what that made me think of. Not sure why, again, why he went out of his way to share that detail with me. But, um, they were all very shocked. You know, he said he was very shocked. He said that he had seen him. I believe he said he saw him that day. he himself personally or he had been told that someone had seen him and he just he there was nothing different about who they knew John to be. Mhm. After he came from court, you know, he seemed to be in the same spirits that he had always been in, you know. Um so so basically just saying that there was no sign of, you know, nobody saw it coming. Yeah. Um, and uh, I think after that, I think the next day or something, I I went to what I guess you would call their morg and had to um, you know, identify John. And um, they took me to a room. He was behind a glass and so I didn't get to touch him or anything, but I just and I just was able to see his head. I've seen people say, you know, did was there a body? Did no one saw the body, so he's he's probably still alive, but I saw his body, you know, I I could only see him from, you know, the neck down. Well, not the neck down, you know. They had him covered. They had the sheet and they said because they were in the middle of doing the autopsy. So, um, don't know. I can see the tattoos just to verify it was him. You know, all the things that people talk about. Yeah. Because those were the things that I was looking for, wanting to see, but I didn't see any list any of those things. But I studied his face. I know that face. And um, and that was it. I just got to what, like maybe 5 minutes, 10 minutes. So, let me stay there. And um so it looked like him, you know, it's definitely him. All the markings that I remember from his face were there. So anyways, um so after that, uh you know, I got the report. It took a while to get the report from the prison. um the the investigative report, you know. So, in the meantime, I'm trying to ask the eternity, you know, when will they release its body, you know, so cuz I was ready to leave Spain. I didn't want to stay there. There was no reason for me to stay there. I just needed his body so I could go. Um but because of the investigation, they weren't releasing the body. So, they didn't close the investigation until I think it was 8 months later and they didn't release the autopsy report. What they gave what they gave as the autopsy was like a summary. Right. Right. And then they gave a talk report showing, you know, saying that what um drugs he had in his system. So, I think like pain medicine or something. Nothing alarming, nothing out of the ordinary, I don't think. um as far as I remember but there was nothing usually you know autopsy report is very detailed right you've got pictures you've got all the things and all the things but there was just four pages and it was again just like a summary so when I got that information the attorney said that if I don't if I allow them to close this investigation without asking them for this information then I cannot come back and ask for it so if I'm going to if I'm going to, you know, ask them to give it to me, then I have to put the pill in now. So So that's what we did. And because of that, they kept his body and I did not get his body until December of 2023. M. So, I had to stay there in Spain that entire time because I wasn't going to leave without without him. I just wasn't going to leave without him, you know. Um, and so, uh, that was a really, really, really hard decision, but I needed the information. You know, I can't I don't know. I just couldn't walk away. You know what I'm saying? like and I just didn't understand why they wouldn't release his body cuz they did there was nothing that they needed his body for. Um and so I was trying to also get like an independent autopsy but that was going to cost me like 20k and by then my you know what money I had was was getting really low and I just didn't have the 20k you know to to have someone flown from Madrid to to do the autopsy. Then I also found out that apparently um like during the first 6 months of of them having his body, they did not store it properly. They just I guess kept it refrigerated. And so there would have been deterioration in the body, right? You weren't going to get much. So Right. And and so um so the decision was just made to just cremate him cuz that's what he wanted anyways. Right. when we spoke about that, he said he wanted to be cremated. So that's that's what I had to do. But they still, you know, was still in the end trying to fight to to be able to see him. I don't even know what I was asking for because I'm sure it would have been horrible to see. Um, but I just needed to see him all the way, you know, I un unobstructed, you know, but they wouldn't let me do that. And so they, you know, they take the casket and just put it in there in the thing. So they let me do that. They took me down to the incineration room and um I had the Anyways, so yeah, so they let me do that and and so that was it. That was it. And I brought his ashes back with me. Oh, I'm sorry. Brought his ashes back with me. Um, I haven't done anything with him yet because I don't not ready to say goodbye, you know. Hey you guys, I appreciate you watching the video. If you want to get in touch with Janice or you would like to check out the antivirus uh website, we're going to leave it in the description. 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