hello everybody in the last week we've made arrangements with Nigel farage who is the man who took Great Britain out of the European Union with brexit and who now runs a political party in the UK called reform um the aim of Reform is to shake the conservatives up let's say and return the classic liberals and the moderate right to something approximating what would you say an orientation that's actually based on the fundamental principles of Western Civilization itself judeo-christianity at the bottom the Democracy that emerges out of that as a consequence of the concept of the sovereignty and divine import of the individual the family above that the community the city the state the nation under God that entire subsidiary structure to return to an orientation that makes that primary and the foundation of identity itself Nigel fr's party is making great Headway in the UK surprising Headway and also among young people we had the opportunity today to take 45 minutes just prior to the upcoming UK election to discuss well who Mr frage is and just what the hell he's up to so tune in for that hello m Mr farage it's good to see you again hello there thank you yeah so we've got 45 minutes for you to explain to everybody just what you think's going on in Great Britain in the UK in general and and then also to delve into the details of the the election that's coming up right away thank you well we had really a massive political event happened eight years ago last week it was called brexit uh it happened after a 25-year Grassroots campaign campaign a campaign for sovereignty a campaign for borders against a holy globalist establishment and that included all of our main political parties uh pretty much all of our newspapers all of our trade unions all of our big employers organizations all of our big Banks uh all of our state institutions all of whom thought that membership of the European Union was the right place for the United Kingdom to be and I took a view uh almost exactly 30 years ago when I decided this was wrong uh that actually the nation state is the essential building block within people want to live uh that it's a building block that they're prepared uh to pay their taxes to it's the building block in extremists that they're prepared to put a military uniform on to defend because I've always taken the view that the nation state really is like an extend ion of your family your community it's your country so I spent quarter of a century uh from the tiniest of the lorn's campaigning Against The Establishment View and it took a long time to get any traction but in the end it was really the question of borders because we had a total open border uh with over 400 million people in the continent of Europe and that was the issue that really lit the blue touch p sovereignty on its own even though I think you know self-government parliamentary democracy even though I believe that to be an absolutely fundamental principle kind of people said well it doesn't really affect my life directly but it was when we started to see uh immigration numbers coming into Britain on a scale that have never been comprehended over the last couple of thousand years uh that really the population decided to wake up so we have this extraordinary shock that took place on June 23rd 2016 brexit and the public voted very clearly for us to leave our Parliament didn't like the result um and many of them spent the next three years trying to get us to run the referendum that we managed to avoid that in the end after years of wrangling and and frankly I think probably the most shameful period in the entire history of a British Parliament in the end on the 31st of January 2020 we left the European union now in constitutional terms that was probably the biggest event uh that has taken place i' guess for about 300 years and you would have thought that was that because the conservative at least that's the name of the party they're called the conservative party uh they got a massive 80 seat majority a majority not seen uh from the conservatives in Britain since the time of Thatcher and you've got to go back to the mid 1980s for that and the hopes and aspirations of those that voted for them and I I gave them considerable help uh with that Victory the thoughts and aspirations were that with self-government the numbers coming into Britain would reduce with self-government illegal immigration could be effectively dealt with and another crucial group 5 a half million uh men and women running small businesses acting as Soul Traders believed that the massive regulatory rule book that have been put on top of everybody uh uh taking away uh their time their effort that that could be reduced so that we could encourage entrepreneurship we could encourage real economic growth and so the conservatives were riding on the crest of a wave and many said well I mean Boris Johnson will be prime minister for 15 years years and what has happened over the last 5 years in my view is they have betrayed all of those hopes in absolutely every way uh elected as conservatives but they've governed as Metropolitan liberals they introduced Net Zero policies I mean so insane was some of it uh that Boris even suggested that we take out a production 30% of our Farmland um and Rew it uh when it came to getting rid of regulations basically nothing was done in fact arguably arguably for many sectors uh they now living under more bureaucratic control now than they were as members of the European Union and the big one the big one is legal immigration and just to give people some context on this um in the late 1940s it was very much felt that we owed a huge debt to the British Empire British Commonwealth uh because in two world wars 40% of the contribution came from the Commonwealth Canada of course your home country being one of the most remarkable of them and so began um legal immigration from the West Indies and elsewhere and it ran all through the late 40s the ' 50s the 60s the 70s the 80s the '90s right up until Tony Blair got in it ran all through that period with a net migration level of 30 to 40,000 people a year and we genuinely did not have in the late 1990s divided communities Mr Blair opened the doors in the most remarkable way and during his time as prime minister our population increased by nearly 3 million as a direct result of legal migration and then the conservatives in 2010 in their Manifesto in 2015 2017 2019 in four consecutive manifestos they promised they would reduce net migration back to its historic levels of tens of thousands a year well let's take Richie sunx Premiership should we in the last two years a net 1.5 million have come I mean these are numbers that are just beyond anyone's imagination our population is now up by 10 million since Blair came to power and what that has meant is that life the quality of life for people on these islands has diminished has changed you can't get access to a doctor's appointment traveling on the roads is I mean frankly almost impossible housing do you know we have to build in our country a new home every two minutes just to cope with legal migration and the British public are saying this is wrong and it's frankly not fair and that our kids you know can't even aspire to owning a home in the way that their parents and grandparents and great-grandparents did so a feeling of real disconnect a feeling of real betrayal uh a conservative party slumping in the opinion polls a labor party Rising because kind of in a first pass the post electoral system that's what happens and I just decided Jordan and I you know having spent 25 years of my life fighting for us to be Sovereign free and independent and having been Victorious I just decided that I just couldn't I couldn't just stand aside in what was this snap general election called when nobody really expected it and I knew that I'd only have four months uh to pick up a party reform UK that was virtual in many ways I mean no money no structure no substance uh but I just decided you know what if we're going to have self-government let's exercise it properly let's exercise it in the interests of our people so I decided a month ago I would you know plant my flag in the sand and put myself forward for the election so that is why I'm here I think the disconnect that exists between our political and media class in London and the rest of the country has never been bigger and this is for me just the first step this is a five-year project we're really aiming at the 20 29 general election what I intend to do hope to do after we get over this hurdle on Thursday is to build a mass movement across the country for change a populist mass movement all right so I have a bunch of questions let's start with the political situation with regard to the conservatives so the first question I'll ask you about three and then let you answer those what what do you think it was that alerted you so long ago to the dangers of the EU and the reason I'm asking that is because there was reason for people to be hopeful about the EU project the fact that you could travel in Europe without passports from country to country was interesting there was a while when there seemed to be a real sheen on the EU project and there was of course concerns after the first and second world wars that the project of nationalism had flaws built into it especially on the European side that were so massive that some other um form of government might reasonably be attempted the world is unifying more too because we communicate with each other much more now you were obviously very early in your apprehension that Distributing power farther up the hierarchy to a unified say European government or the UN or the WF for that matter had serious flaws so what do you think it was that that made you alert to that so much before anyone else really caughted on to it well I'm a sort of amateur historian I love history and I do think there are things we can learn from history sadly we rarely do but there are things we can learn and and and and here's the point I mean yes of course you know in 1870 the Germans invade France in 1914 the Germans invade France in 1940 the Germans invade France France and so this this this this idea came around that if you unify France and Germany and of course it began with a coal and steel packs in 1951 if you unify France and Germany if you unify the whole of Europe those nationalistic factors that caused War would go away and we could live in peace and I completely understand why people would have thought that after two catastrophic Wars and you know think of the the bombing the civilian deaths the Holocaust all the awful things that did take place but it was based on a fundamental misunderstanding and the misunderstanding was that the existence of nation states led to war but they made one fundamental error and it's this provided the nation state is acting as a functioning democracy you don't have that problem there is no example there is no example in history of functioning one functioning democracy going to war with another and far from being a project of peace I took the opposite view I took the view in in about 1990 really I took the view that if you take away from nation states their ability to determine their own future and hand it up to a higher authority over which you have little or no say far from dampening nationalistic f it's likely to increase nationalistic fervor and here's the thing why democracy Works democracy works because whether you like the result or not you settle it with a cross on a piece of paper you know and not with a gun and so I actually felt that it was likely to provoke nationalistic stroke terrorist groups not to diminish them so I took that big picture of view a long time ago and and and what happened was you see we did have a referendum on this back in the 70s and my parents were told look vote to stay part of this because it's about trading with our neighbors it's going to be good for business it means we can travel to Europe freely ironically PR 1914 we could travel all over Europe without even having a passport that's been rather forgotten um and and and no one thought or very few people thought back in the 70s that it would threaten sovereignty that it would threaten nation state democracy and and and and as the years went by a project that started around peace became a project about power Tony Blair himself said this is now a project of power and the ambition of the European Union was was actually to become the world's leading superpower miles away from what we told we were joining now look I you know I've worked for American companies in a previous Life I even worked for a French company for a brief period of time I get it we're living in an interconnected world I understand that I am generally pro- free trade provided it's fair um you know and I get international business and travel and you know I understand all of these things but the unit by which we want to live our ability to determine many things that are very important in our lives democracy which for goodness sake is what is what we fought two world wars for these things really really matter and to begin with you know my warnings about this were thought to be hysterical uh but in the end it did become a majority View and I think if you look around Europe now you'll see political movements that are on the rise who who really are talking about similar things Jordan to what I was saying 10 20 20 30 years ago all right so let's turn our attention to the conservatives so um there's a couple of things that you pointed out that have been great Mysteries to me so for example I'm absolutely jaw-droppingly amazed that the conservatives adopted Net Zero policies under Boris Johnson it's like what the hell were they thinking you know my the most skeptical part of my brain and suppose the rude part thinks that this was cooked up by Boris Johnson to impress his young wife that on the personal side and that the conservatives as well as a group lacked a vision so comprehensively that they had to turn to this idiot climate apocalypse mongering that's used by power mad tyrants to cow the public into delivering them all the authority and power and so I just can't wrap my head around the conservative shift to Net Zero not not only because it's such a profoundly anti-conservative movement at least with regards to such things as entrepreneurial activity and freedom um and it's it's profoundly anti- subsidiary so uh it works against the spirit of distributed responsibility and the economics of a shift to Net Zero are so appallingly catastrophic that it's a miracle that anybody who could count would even ever consider it so like what the hell was going on with the and certainly this is part of the reason they're being devastated at the moment what in the world was going on with the conservatives where were their heads at well you're right me I think that um I think that Boris Johnson's knew much younger wife Carrie or Carrie Antoinette as she's known I think she perhaps did play something of a part in this but it was broader than that it was broader than that you know David Cameron in 2010 became a conservative prime minister uh and he and his sidekick George Osborne the chancellor they saw themselves as the heir to Blair they were a essentially globalists they were essentially career politicians and they don't like to be criticized they don't like the Twitter Ry they don't like the G7 whatever it may be uh they don't want to stand out from the crowd they haven't got the courage of their convictions because do you know what they haven't actually got any real convictions and so we've been priding ourselves that we've cut carbon emissions more than any other Western Country we have cut carbon emissions by 44% since 1990 and you know how we've done it we've de-industrialized we've de-industrialized our steel plants CL close down they go to India where the steel is produced under lower Environmental Protections and then guess what the steel goods are shipped back to the United Kingdom we haven't actually reduced Global CO2 emissions we've just exported it to other countries and at the same time as doing that I mean Boris said he wanted us to become the Saudi Arabia of wind so wind turbines to be built all across our seascapes and some of our Landscapes but of course none of it working unless it had subsidy and guess where the subsid is gone it's gone onto the electricity bills of ordinary folk for whom energy is disproportionately a much higher percentage of their income so we've actually de-industrialized we have transferred vast amounts of wealth from the poorest to the richest and even in terms of a CO2 debate and Emissions frankly globally we've achieved almost nothing and I think it's a a combination uh of wooly thinking but above all cowardice and this is really my complaint about the so-called conservative party they are cowardly uh they want to be popular amongst the right circles in the smart dinner party set in London uh they can't stand the Pyon that happens on social media and they're in politics uh and you'd think they're still you know in a university debating Society it's all a great big game it's all about climbing the greasy pole it's not about conviction let me ask you about carbon dioxide I want to ask you a hard question um many of the conservatives that I talk to now small C conservatives are beginning to push back against the climate apocalypse mongers but they still doing it pretty apologetically and so you know I've been looking at the data on carbon dioxide production for about 15 years trying to sort it out and my view as a scientist who's capable of assessing data is that if we were taking a dispassionate look at the situation one that wasn't informed by the club of Rome overpopulation doomsayers for example that we would conclude that by historical standards over periods of millions of years instead of thousands we're actually the planet is actually in a pretty severe carbon dioxide drought and that the influx of carbon dioxide from the fossil fuel industry into the atmosphere is actually a net ecological good and the reason I think this is because the 's one piece of data that leaps out at me that is so large that it seems to put everything else in the shadow and that is that in the last 20 years alone the planet has greened by an area factor of 20% Which is twice as big as the continental United States now that's not all not only has it got Greener and a lot Greener the places that got Greener were primarily semiarid areas in fact exactly the areas that the climate doomsayers said would turn into outright desert as the planet warmed not only were they were wrong they were wrong in the opposite direction and then we could add to the fact that the fact and this is like straight up NASA data I'm not making any of this up that crops themselves the crops we depend on to like eat have increased their productivity by something approximating 15% along with this additional Greening and so I can understand environmental concern that any rapid transformation of the ecosystem including the rapid production of carbon dioxide is something to be alert to because rapid change it's difficult for biological systems to adapt to Rapid change let's say but I it seems to me that it's time for people who are not fond of the climate fearmongers to not be apologetic about their opposition quite the contrary now I know this is a rather I might be regarded as a rather extreme stance but um I'm curious about what you do think about the climate crisis per se and you know already made the case that Britain's attempts to address it have done nothing but enrich India and China and likely increase the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere anyways because of the lacks or environmental standards in those countries I think that's true but I'm not sure that that gets at the issue as deeply as perhaps it might be addressed so anyways um I'll put you on the spot with regards to that well I don't understand the science of it and I haven't studied that aspect of it as much as you have I've looked more at what we're doing in the name of dealing with the problem um and and my criticisms of that but I would say this I do find it extraordinary that people call carbon dioxide a pollutant because as I understand it uh you know plants don't grow without carbon dioxide and you're talking about the Earth being much greener than it was so I don't understand that I also I've often asked the question you know what about sunspot activity surely historically when it comes to the planet heating up and cooling down sunspot activity is a factor uh and yet that doesn't get talked about and then of course we've got volcano particularly underwater volcanoes in the Pacific Ocean and from what I can understand it only 3% of carbon dioxide that's in our atmosphere is produced by man so without delving deeply into the science I do have some pretty big questions that I'm not that I'm not afraid to ask so okay so let's turn to the labor party if you don't mind so I'm watching with apprehension as the UK populace wanders over the brink going to elect a labor government in all likelihood um This concerns me a lot because if the conservatives have being overrun by globalist liberals with a progressive agenda I can't imagine who's lurking in the background on the labor side well I can't imagine because I worked in universities so I actually know exactly who's lurking in the background and so um I'm very apprehensive about what a labor government will do to the UK and so what do you think a labor government will do to the UK yeah I mean starma has no K starma has no leadership qualities whatsoever uh he is devoid of any sort of charisma at all and people do need a leader you know that inspires them to a certain degree he's kind of doing well because he's not the conservatives and there is revulsion there is there is revulsion at them a sense of betrayal about them on the face of it his Manifesto on climate change is almost identical to the conservatives his Manifesto on economics is almost identical to the conservatives but I think we know uh that what we'll see is trans ideology in the ascendancy uh we'll see more legislation designed to divide us up into different groups rather than bring us together as human beings equal before the law I look at his potential front bench of the top ministers I see very little competence whatsoever he's almost going to win by default as opposed to you know a big enthusiastic wave of support and so in some ways I think there's every opportunity for this just to be a one-term labor government there'll be no honeymoon there'll be no of after Victory glow uh he faces a big set of problems you know the ones I mentioned earlier the population explosion the fact our Public Services don't work the fact young people can't get a house and even their rents take up over half of their income and he won't have the solutions to any of it he's campaigning on a slogan of change but actually it'll be more of the same just ever so slightly worse so here's the opportunity the opportunity is to reshape the center right of British politics to be where the silent majority actually are now I know that the British conservative party have been around for 190 years but nothing necessarily lasts forever and what I'm doing with reform UK is I am taking those stances on all of those issues use uh that I think give us the kind of radical change that we need and you know I and you know I use the the word radical in an oldfashioned sense of the word you see I'm a traditionalist I think that our culture matters I think that our history matters think the way that we teach our kids about who we are as a people as a nation matters I think understanding the judeo-christian principles that underpin frankly all of our civilization I think that matters and yet I believe you can be a traditionalist whilst recognizing that your institutions need to be brought into the 21st century um and that that can be done and one is not inconsistent with the other so my my goal is to reshape the sense of right of British politics into a form uh that actually stands for the sort of things that you and I would believe in and becomes electable and wins in 2029 sometimes in life things have to get a bit worse before they can get better so let me go at you with the typical leftist radical critiques let's say of the UK um you know my country Canada in so far as it's a good country has principles that are derived from the UK and they're very functional and I read a great book at one point called the wealth and poverty of Nations by a guy named Landis an uh historian from Harvard who pointed out that in the Western Hemisphere if you were a country in the modern world that was settled by France Portugal or Spain you were poor whereas if you were a country that was settled by Great Britain with British institutions you were rich and uh that St struck me and still does is highly probable and so um the radical leftists would say Britain has a dreadful Colonial past that the capitalist Enterprise marginalizes the poor and other marginalized groups obviously that the time for nationalism is far gone and you have to be something approximating an oppressive fascist to think otherwise um there's no Brook whatsoever given for anything that smacks of Christian nationalism would which would be again I suppose to your insistence that the Nationalist project has to be embedded within or alongside the judeo-christian project and so well those are fundamentally the criticisms and so you said you're a traditionalist you have a walloping flag uh sitting behind you you've obviously been a staunch advocate of British sovereignty for for forever and despite remarkable odds so what case can you make say particularly to young people for for that serves as a barrier against the assault and accusations of the Oho moral radicals but that also offers people a like a compelling and Invitational a compelling invitation moving forward what does reform have to offer well we believe in family community and Country uh we believe they're the three building blocks that matter to all of us at whatever age we are and and If you deny those well you're entitled to deny those uh but it's rather important that through the education system people don't just hear that argument they hear the positive argument and I think what progressivism is doing uh it's confusing young people I mean young men young men are being told they can't be men we've got uh we've got England uh through to the quarterfinals of the European championships as I speak and they're being told that if you go to Germany please don't drink too much beer please don't chant in the stadiums please don't sing songs uh that are funny but might cause offense please don't be young Lads I that's effectively what we're telling people through this Progressive agenda and we're telling women uh now look you know what's the problem you're in a changing room you're in a locker room and there's somebody there uh with male anatomy but that person calls themselves a woman so what's your problem and then when we send a double rapist violent double rapist to a woman's prison we're telling women don't complain how dare you that's transphobic I mean all this all this stuff does is totally confuse everyone and and and then you can move on from that to the diversity and inclusion agenda which says that companies corporate companies government organizations don't employ people on Talent no no no no no you've got to fill your quotas according to race ethnicity sexual preference um and all we're doing here is we're dividing everybody up we're putting them in Pigeon holes and far from bringing us together uh actually all we're doing is causing ever greater Division and actually and it goes back to your point about Landis actually uh the kind of society that we've developed evolved over these centuries it may not be perfect but you know something it's a damn site better than anybody else in the history of mankind has ever come up with uh and you know when you see when you see that nearly 25% % of 18 to 24 year old uh Islamic men and women born in this country uh now think Jihad is an acceptable uh principle you realize that if we're not careful this progress this progressivism is going to destroy our society as we know it lead to chaos and make us poorer that's the case to put to young people and you know what's exciting what's really exciting about this is all through my years of battling for sovereignty and borders my supporters were over 45 over 50 now despite the fact this political party has only been active for a month I've Just Seen polling today suggesting uh that reform and what I stand for is now the second most popular amongst the younger generation in this country and actually I believe that within a short space of time our objectives our goals you know our policies our thoughts our feelings our principles can become the number one amongst young people in this country and I I've pretty much given up with the Millennials they're gone they're gone I mean they talk about work life balance and you know no one wants to get out of bed in the morning and they think the state owes them a living I'm seeing amongst gen Z something very very different despite what their school teachers and University lecturers are telling them I'm seeing great hope among gen z uh for the kind of principles that we believe in I'm seeing it in France at the moment uh where the you know we're heading up for the second round of these French elections and even though Marine leen's economic policies might be deeply socialist you know culturally she believes in laf France um and I fully understand why I see Trump doing amazingly well with young people in America and suddenly even even though I'm sick um some young people for some reason think I'm cool so so actually I am seeing great hope uh thank goodness so I want to approach this from a psychological perspective for a moment with regards to your emphasis on family community and Country we're neck deep in identity politics I suppose that's the core of the so-called culture War and the progressives in particular suffer from a pathology of atomized Liber ISM because and it it's based on a misapprehension of psychological understanding they believe that identity is something that can only be defined by the individual but even it's even more atomized than that it's not only is identity only proclaimed subjectively no matter what it was but that very subjectivity is actually disintegrated into racial identity ethnic Identity or sexual let's say sexual identity and so what that means is that it's a very small fragment of the subjective that's defining identity and so then you might say okay well what truly defines identity and your emphasis on family community and country is a much more psychologically and socially astute Vision human beings are very very very very social we're communal organisms we live in parabon parab bonded sexual Arrangements in the main if we're mature we live in families that have multigenerational commitments we live in communities that can scale upward to the level of a Nation we're instantiated at every level married couple family local community town State Nation all of those are part of identity and then the core of identity is the sacrifice of individual whim to that broader community and the future so it's a sacrificial gesture on the part of the individual to establish a mature identity that includes other people in the future that's why there's so much emphasis on sacrifice in the judeo Christian tradition the community is based on sacrifice that's that's absolutely 100% accurate and so I've been talking to young people all around the world and one of the things that makes the crowds go silent that the conservatives have at their fingertips that you've already touched upon is that the meaning that all these young people are missing in their life is going to be found in their willingness to sacrifice their idiot individual ual whims for something that's beyond them for an identity that stretches Beyond them to their marital partner to their family to their Community to their City to their state to their country under God that whole upward striving communal and future oriented identity that's where all the meaning is because that's the most fundamental expression of the Instinct that unites us and it's also where the adventure is because it is the case that the more responsibility you take onto yourself in that sacrificial manner the more adventurous and meaningful and deep your life becomes and conservatives can explain this to young people it's like your missing value is to be found in the voluntary adoption of responsibility and you know they understand this because every time I say those sorts of things to the audiences that I'm speaking to they go dead silent no one's pointed this out for 60 years and so your emphasis and I think the emphasis on the rising rate around the world on the necessity for family community and Country as higher level integrating structures with regards to Identity that that gives you security so that quells anxiety and it gives you hope because it gives you something to do and you need something to do to have hope and to have that positive meaning in your life it's adventure through responsibility and conservatives have that to sell if they're if they're wise to sell that to young people to offer that to young people to invite young people to that well I mean you know one of the most exciting things in life is to be part of a team isn't it you work together with other individuals and if you achieve a victory a goal together it feels always feels better somehow as part of a team than just for yourself there are some exceptions to that but generally I think that that is true look you know I am going to go on fighting i' fact to be honest I've only just started properly fighting atomized liberalism I I want us to completely abolish the diversity and inclusion laws completely abolish the equalities act that was brought in by the labor party in 2010 and which the conservatives haven't had the guts to even talk about because they're cowards and I want us to to basically say we don't care we don't care what you are I was asked the other day what was I going to do for the black community do you know what I said nothing absolutely nothing I couldn't give a damn whether you're black or white whether you're G gay or straight I really don't care you'll be judged by your character you'll be judged by your ability you'll be judged by are you a contributor to society or a take her out and and right at the moment this is considered to be dangerous radical thinking but I think if we can start to explain why this matters um if we can start to explain that that's the only way we're going to have any chance of a unified society that works together you know with mutual benefit for each other I think this is one of the next great political battles and we're going to need some quite Brave leaders to take it on um but I yeah you know I mean I have to say you know the lunacy we saw with black lives matter in in in 2020 you know maybe people have beg to reflect ever slightly on that we've got to treat human beings as being equal before the law judge them on their values judge them on their character judge them on their merits not by their skin color or sexual preference yeah well a ringing endorsements of the Civil Rights Movement from like 1963 you know you'd think we would have figured that out so maybe to close sir if you don't mind why don't you just tell people well where are what do you expect from the election where are where are you sitting now and where is your party sitting and also are are why are you not concerned or how are you concerned about the fact that you know you're splitting the vote on the in the center and on the right let's say and of course by doing so in some ways playing into the hands of the idiot progressives that are going to end up running your country so let let's let's deal with both of those what's the risk in what you're doing with regards to the union of the conservatives and then also what do you think what do you think's going to happen to your party in particular in this upcoming election Well Point number one is the conservatives don't need my help to destroy their election chances they've done it to themselves uh they were going to lose anyway and it's very interesting a large number of people who say they'll vote for me if I wasn't here wouldn't bother to vote at all that's how disenchanted they are with the whole thing as I said earlier you know a labor government is going to happen the conservatives deserve to lose labor don't deserve to win but they're going to win I what I'm doing here is putting a first big marker down albe it just in the space of a few weeks we are going to get millions of votes we are going to get our first people elected into that Parliament and and and I might remind people just as happened to a party called reform in Canada some years ago everyone said oh no reform reform will split the vote Preston Manning's a right-wing nut job you know all the same kind of criticisms and in the end reform won and as you know Steven Harper proved to be a very good prime minister in many ways of Canada having first been elected as a reform MP and then effectively doing a reverse takeover of the very tired and increasingly Progressive conservative party I am trying to do something very similar to what reform did in Canada all those year 30 years ago um and to be honest with you it's one of the reasons I chose the name reform UK seeing inspiration from what happened when Common Sense got back into Canadian politics sadly now long disappeared under true so we're going to get well you know I mean I you know we're going to get millions of votes we're going to get we're going to win those seats but I'm going to do this differently this is not going to be just about what we can do in Parliament we are going to build this is my ambition we're going to build a mass movement for common sense and we're going to build it not just because we object to what the progressiv have done to us but because we believe in family community and Country and I think the more people particularly young people hear those arguments the more successful will be over the coming years well sir that's an excellent place to stop and we've uh timed it within the minute so that that always Brooks well for paying careful attention um Good Luck later this week um we'll want to have a conversation at some point in the future about this Alliance for responsible citizenship that's trying to do on the international side pretty much what you guys are trying to do on the national side and so I do think there's a real opportunity here for the right and the classic liberals to come together to produce an Invitational vision of the future that can lift young people and the countries they're part of out of this idiot apocalypse mongering malaise that seems to be mandatory from the moral perspective as far as the anti-human radicals who hate Western Civ ization are concerned so good luck later this week we're watching with baited breath in Canada and everywhere else yeah very good to talk to you thank you Jordan