[Music] by night so I was my friend cheers great to meet you nice meeting you man thanks for having me on probably not a good idea to stuff our fat faces with Terry Black's Barbecue before we come here she's taking a nap right now I got a brick in my stomach those beef ribs are insane yeah oh my God that place is so good that's the one thing that I you know Texas barbecue will [ __ ] ruin you there's only a few other places you can go where you can get barbecue of that caliber it's insane all the wood that they have staged for everything yeah it's pretty amazing I got an offset smoker for the first time this company Centex barbecue they built me this Grill and uh I never I always cooked on a Traeger which I love because it's so convenient you know you don't see it on your phone you know the temperature is so but this I did it like the old school way like burnt the logs and the office the offset smoker regulated it with the dampers got the temperature up to like 250 degrees put the steaks on smoke the steaks till I got them to 110 internal temperature and then seared them they have it's like a charcoal grill on the side oh my God it's insane it's the best since you started your carnivore that is right there that's so they made me that's a little little Charcoal Grill on the side and then the other one if you go backwards that's the actual Grill itself that guy did a [ __ ] tremendous job it's like a real work of art it's incredible uh like just the craftsmanship what's it called gen Centex in Central Texas Central Texas smokers it's really really super super well done how do you think elk would do on something like that oh it does great I cook elk on the Traeger all the time I don't think it'll be any different I'm probably going to cook some elk on it tomorrow night okay so I'm excited I might try that out yeah so what's up Mike Glover what's up man nice to meet you finally I've been following your content years I think I saw you talk about um a bug out that I did yes from Phoenix to Canada and you're like this crazy prepper guy yeah you you went in one tank of gas well it wasn't one tank but it was yeah how did you do it so uh the idea um from the company perspective was we need to demonstrate that bugging out is not realistic in the country like going from gas station to gas station would not be available so if you bug out you have to do it self-sustained with no support so the idea was like Hey get a Dodge 2500 pickup truck because the Toyota Tacoma is not going to cut it we trimmed out everything we put wood in the back we we put tanks of gas like an extra spare tank 75 gallons which extends your range massively and then we did an unsustained or a self-sustained trip from Phoenix to the Canadian border on no stops at a gas station no stops for anything so we slept out of the vehicle um we we just did it on one thing essentially one tank of gas we didn't we had to run in Prime fuel into the resort from the reserve tank to the main tank but it was just like to prove like hey man this idea of bugging out from a bad situation to a better isn't really realistic and one thing with one ticket yes so like if you have a hundred thousand dollars vehicle because you're like the Overland bug out guy and you have a quarter tank of gas then you have a big lead weight that's just nothing I mean you can burn it to the ground when how far can you get with 75 gallon tank as a reserve um a couple thousand uh miles um with your main tank so most tanks 15 to 30 plus gallons and then a reserve tank Titan has a reserve tank about 30 gallons and then you can get an extended fuel tank like I I talk about this like it's um like it's Innovative like it's new but if you live in rural Montana or rural anywhere in America you roll with a 75 gallon tank in the back of your pickup truck because you'll go you know 500 miles before you see the next gas station what's interesting about this is it should be something that people should have in their mind like this kind of information is it's there's nothing bad about having this kind of information but wasn't there a thing where some parts of the government were trying to label people as potential terrorists for preparing for things going bad yeah that's yeah there's a rabbit hole there um first anything on Facebook that was seen as extreme think Fringe unique think unique different than you were potentially labeled so originally um we we teach canning and jarring at Phil grass survival I mean my family preparedness director Amber uh focuses on families so we teach candy and jarring that was first flagged by Facebook and seen as um extreme and they even had a killing and jarring candy and jarring that's extreme that's extreme because if you're preparing you're preparing for something and if you're doing it domestically then it potentially uh could label you as a a militant or a militia or violent extremist as I was labeled by Facebook what is that that's so crazy that like having food like food prep well what if there's a natural disaster what if it has nothing to do with some sort of a thing where you're you know trying to run from people my my whole thing with um the company Phil cross survival was it's all about self-reliance and kind of cutting the umbilical cord or at least distancing yourself from institutions because when things fail typically the institution breaks it doesn't just fail it breaks and that causes a lot of issues we've seen that recently with natural disasters and man-made disasters but the education behind it is just learn how to take care of yourself long term short term and long term and that according to Facebook at the time and now is Extreme how weird so weird a weird world yeah and and somebody who came from the military like I fit all the things I'm a minority I'm Asian I'm half Korean um I'm a veteran I'm 100 service connected disabled so I fit all the cattle what does that mean 100 service connected disabled so it means I'm it's called total and permanent which I am it means I'm 100 disabled according to the Veteran Affairs office but also um total impermanent which means you can't like right now if a veteran is let's say 100 disabled or 90 disabled it's a weird system you go in and you get your annual checkup they could evaluate you and reduce your overall compensation and say you're not 90 now you're 60. and basically based on they could say your hearing is better than it was last time you know you you picked up a couple decibels and we are going to reduce your pay and compensation and reduce your disability so um in the military if you're 100 total and permanent it means they can't screw with you so how are you 100 total and permanent so they do a formula it's weird a Veterans Affairs is a weird one but when I got out of the military they did a formula and they interview you they do mental physical checks they do all the Diagnostics hearing all that stuff and when they evaluate you they say okay your your left ear sucks so we're going to give you a rating and it's like 40 or 25 percent like I got sleep apnea that's a percentage when they when they add it all together and sum it up it could be over 100 mine's like 200 plus percent when they've added everything and then they go okay then you're 100 service connected disabled total and permanent which means they can't evaluate you and reduce your compensation or or your stuff so um me for example I am a hundred percent um service connected but I'm also I have TBI and post-traumatic stress because of that TBI which is kind of what I wanted um this is a weird one but it if you talk to a military guy an Andy Stumpf um all these guys that are our buddies of mine when they come out of the military especially in Special Operations they don't want to say they're disabled or they have a problem right or they have post-traumatic stress so I don't know if this is luckily but I think it's better TBI because the symptoms of traumatic brain injury happen to be the same as post-traumatic stress they could label you as having that my concern which is a concern even today if they label me with PTSD and said you're 100 connected because you have PTSD we're going to take away your guns so the red flag laws and all that scare the hell out of me and and a lot of veterans when I when I went into the veteran affairs for my evaluation it was in Texas in San Antonio and I walked into uh the office and there was a long hallway and there were dudes in the doing construction in the hallway and I heard a loud bang behind me as I entered the room and the doctor was looking at me and I turned around and was like what was that and just turned around like you do that to noises especially Banks and I turned back around and she goes a little jumpy are we like here we go and they we did the interview and they asked questions like have you been in combat yes have you killed people yes have you seen dead bodies yes how many dead bodies have you seen hundreds well we find that hard to believe like what straight up what's the the challenging whether or not you've a person who's actually been to combat whether or not you've seen x amount of bodies 100 find that hard to believe 100 holy [ __ ] the the biggest what does that feel like when someone's questioning you like that it was the most disgusting thing like I almost got up and walked out that that was the psychologist evaluation when I got my physical eval it was um a gentleman who was a veteran most of the guys are veterans they served in some capacity so they get it they understand but they're used to dealing with [ __ ] and and I want to be careful because there are guys who suffer from post-traumatic stress there's dudes who get blown up there's dudes that go through a lot but the reality is most people who serve in combat combat don't do so at what I would call the tip of the spear they're not in the front lines they're not involved in continuous combat they might have one rotation so most of what they see are people who have maybe gotten blown up maybe not even been to combat they have the you know they're they're the fear of impending doom has created this trauma inside of them and then they get they want disability and you know I'm not judging because some of those guys do I know some of those guys but they're not used to a guy who has an uh an experience in combat where they volunteered for it they wanted it and they did years of it so when I talked to the guy and he physically evaluated me he's like um so move your neck because Mobility is a part of the equation and I couldn't move my neck a certain way and he goes I find that hard to believe you can't move your neck more than that I'm like um I'm I'm injured and he goes well let's talk about the history of where you've been and I started line out my combat time and he's like oh this is different he goes who'd you serve with I was like I was a Green Beret like oh okay so how many years in combat yeah four years in combat oh okay this is different and he almost like shifted and almost apologized to me because he's like hey man I'm used to seeing garbage okay so they're used to people that are trying to like kind of scam the system a little bit so they don't have to work again yes yeah yeah but just to challenge you on that that way I find that hard to believe yeah like I find it hard to believe you can't move your neck like [ __ ] you don't know my neck I know it's like so crazy that they would immediately go to that yeah and there are there are some va's that are better than others I would say I will say this about San Antonio especially um I went to counseling because they're like hey you need to go to these counseling sessions and I had a counselor who was a Vietnam veteran who lost his legs in combat and he was a long-range surveillance guy so he's a combat arms guy like me immediately we had Rapport because I respected what he said um and I I trusted him because we had this uncommon unspoken uh experience and he helped me through some [ __ ] and that was beneficial for me but there are places throughout the country that don't give two shits about veterans they're checking the Block it's impossible to fire a GS we we know that uh historically speaking yes a government service um employee like the guys who were who got caught like um they were GS civilians and they were doing vacations and all these different things none of those dudes got fired during all this controversy uh Wounded Warrior was involved in some controversy over some some stuff none of these guys and the the GS realm when it comes to Veteran Affairs the system are being held accountable and so the system's still broken I mean I I went there recently and was dumbfounded every time I go in there it's depressing because it's it they're not doing a good job I just would imagine how infuriating it would be for someone to tell you that they don't they find it hard to believe how many bodies you've seen yeah yeah and and so if they're used to saying 99.9 of the people they talk to yeah are saying I've never seen a dead body or saw one and I say hundreds I get it you know these people are like they're like what that's impossible but I would say there's a big um discrepancy of understanding of combat period and what the top one percent see you know even the Vietnam experience let's call it 68 to 75 1975. Mac V saw guys were doing cross-border Ops and Laos Cambodia with the CIA and they were doing profound insane missions some of these operations like John schrecker Meyers been on Jocko's podcast these guys went out and their entire teams were wiped off the planet missing in action killed in action nobody saw him ever again these guys experiences in going to the veteran affairs system and then talking to somebody who's interviewing a cook in the 82nd Airborne Division two very different stories there but who are they going to believe and then what's the difference I don't know if there is a difference if you're an 82nd cook and you're on Route Irish on a 50 cal and you get blown up it's just as relevant as if you have multiple combat tours and you got blown up you still need treatment you need care comprehensive care but we're not getting that and so the the fear is that you could get labeled because of your experiences you could get labeled as being would they say impaired or incompetent and they could take away your right to carry a firearm yeah because the the red flags law or the the proposal for the red flags law is anybody who is deemed mentally unfit to carry a firearm or to buy a farm and that's subjective very subjective so and here's the thing like if you're looking at a a packet and the packet that comes forward it says Green Beret sniper and he's killed a lot of people and he has post-traumatic stress who's more dangerous to society that guy or a guy who's got anxiety or depression right it's going to be the Green Beret killer yeah um I I applied for a job when I got out of the military to do kind of like the department of energy working uh the power plants and and security it was like a security manager position I had a degree in um army um I got my degree my bachelor's degree at the American Military University and got a Homeland Security degree which was this was this was a prerequisite for this job and when I when I applied for that job I submitted my resume resume not knowing better and outlining what I did and it said I was a sniper and all the stuff and I thought it was like cool guy stuff that like people would respect that in the civilian world right I didn't get that job and I had nearly 20 years of experience in crisis counter-terrorism and risk mitigation all these things at a very high level I had a bachelor's degree and I was overqualified for the position and I didn't get it one of my buddies who was sitting on the board for that job said they thought it was high liability that I was a sniper and applying for that job because he kills people and that's a bad thing and so when I think about these red flag laws and if this um depending on who it is call it whatever ex-administration everybody who's labeled you have PTSD you're screwed you're not going to be able to have a gun you're not even going to be able to buy a gun and that's a problem high like so the wow so if you're hiring someone to do security so you're hiring someone to protect you from potential armed threats wouldn't you want someone who has experience with potential arm threats when you want someone who's experienced gunfights yeah and so and I think the the overall problem is like when when they ask me if I had post-traumatic stress they're like based on our evaluation of you and what you're saying you have PTSD and I said I didn't agree and so I got it to where they said okay you have TBI and the symptoms are associated with PTSD I guess I can give you a thumbs up with that I guess that's what I'll take so how do they Define PTSD because there's got to be many layers or many levels of that right so if you're saying it's post-traumatic stress disorder like what makes it a disorder like obviously you've experienced stress obviously you've seen trauma you've obviously been in war and combat but what how do they Define PTSD it's a questionnaire so they just like many things in the military or in the system it's based off a questionnaire and guidelines so if you if you get too many answers on the questionnaire wrong then you'll be labeled as somebody who has PTSD like what kind of questions but it's very subjective it's have you been to combat yes okay now we're getting deeper down the funnel or the rabbit hole have you killed anybody in combat yes have you had nightmares so here's here's a subjective one Andy stump talked about this as well um on his podcast but if you say have you had nightmares I'd have dreams and when I have dreams I'm with the boys going to do what we did we're going on a helicopters going and killing bad guys uh combat for me in those dreams isn't a terrifying thing it's like what I where I wanted to be it was fun it wasn't it wasn't difficult it was easier than civilian life I don't have to worry about bills and drama with relationships all these things it's very simplified okay well that's subjective because you're saying you have dreams about combat that's nightmares because there's not a there's not a part on the answer that could say hey he's having dreams but they're not night uh night terror dreams about combat and dying so he could be labeled somebody who has PTSD because of that like I have buddies who answer the questionnaire who don't have PTSD I don't think I have PTSD do I have transitional issues certainly I serve the analogy is like a dog if a dog and the military serves for 20 years and then you take that dog who's used to biting people's asses sniffing out bombs getting blown up in combat training as a protocol and then you transition them to the living room and it's your house pet that shit's not going to work there's going to be a transitional period give me a buffer give me some time to kind of unscrew my systems get back to a normal protocol that's civilian life and then question me but they're questioning these guys right after they get out and of course they're going to be [ __ ] up of course they're going to be all screwed up and legitimately some guys have PTSD they've been blown up in the one moment but most of the guys I Don't Know Jack Carr Tim Kennedy all these guys that I serve with at pretty high levels we don't have PTSD we we profoundly enjoyed our experience there's nothing traumatic I'm not shivering underneath my blanket worried a concern about war I'm actually more having nightmares about missing out on those kind of efforts with guys that I serve with who are you know certainly uh still serving that's such an interesting perspective for people who haven't served the idea that you feel like you're missing out on it or and I appreciate your honesty saying that it was fun or saying that it's easier than civilian life yeah it's the first thing like I I transition out of the military in in a contractor with a Central Intelligence Agency and it was a smack in the face because you know call it a Brotherhood call it tribe call it whatever you want I had a great run with amazing human beings what I noticed when I went from the military to waking up in an air mattress on an apartment in San Antonio is civilian life sucks there where do you go for connectivity for tribe if you don't belong to a dojo if you don't belong to a gym if you don't go to a church then you don't have that feeling of purpose and that feeling of community so I went from a place where my family were the teammates that I served with and transition into civilian life where everybody's worried about their own game they're very selfish I mean for the first time likely in the history of our country you don't know your neighbors you don't know who's in the apartment next door to you you're you're escaping trying to even interact with those people and it's [ __ ] depressing so so um I thought the military experience for me was easy and a lot of guys who come back and have to deal with bills relationships all the [ __ ] that civilians deal with that's hard and that's the difficulty it's not necessarily A traumatic experience in One Moment In Time that took place that is the PTSD it's like getting kicked in the dick every day being a civilian um when you didn't have to before because you have everything you know at your fingertips um that would give you PTSD if you didn't have it um have you ever read uh Sebastian younger's book tribe Gradebook great sum up of the experience I wish there was more um context like he needs to put out more on it but you know he went out to Restrepo in Afghanistan and experienced that at a very high level and then even in his own reflection leaving that he was like man I'm missing something and um you know societally I think profoundly likely a lot of the issues we're dealing with um depression suicide drug overdoses at a record high are caused because of that lack of purpose that lack of tribe and um maybe in a way all the guys like myself um Evan Hafer we're all trying to pick up our own tribes in our own way I mean that's certainly why I started my company now I think there's definitely something to that and there there definitely seems to be this thing that happens to a lot of guys when they get out of the military it happens to a lot of guys uh who do uh anything where you have a tight-knit group of people that are like-minded that are trying to do the same thing you see with Fighters too where they retire from fighting and then they're not in the gym anymore they're not training with guys anymore they're not like you know you're not traveling together all the time and and supporting each other and they they lose their themselves on a lot you know many of them start drinking they get into drugs they just they need something to try to either soothe themselves or give themselves some sort of a feeling because the feelings that you have when you're training and fighting I would imagine it's even far more extreme if you're in the military and then you're overseas and you're with these people and you have this intense Bond and then all of a sudden it goes away now you have none now you have no bond and now you're doing a job that's not interesting at all there's you're just getting paid you're bored as [ __ ] you're watching TV you're drinking beer and you're like what am I doing like what is life there's that many jobs that translate from a military experience period I mean we're gonna be a [ __ ] cop I mean like you take one of the few jobs right one of the few jobs security but you take like a take like a guy like um um Andy Stumpf I like picking on Andy you take a guy like Andy high level um experience operator and he gets out and he becomes a law enforcement officer what would that look like I mean you got a guy who is you know he was on the Jessica Lynch raid he he rescued Jessica Lynch and he did all these high-level counterterrorism operations where he's on the varsity team and then he gets back home and now he's not even JV I mean he's not even relevant it's writing speeding tickets he's writing speeding ticket his whole Persona by the way most military guys is persona especially in the Special Operations community um we we wear that proudly right you you go your whole life is not it's the profession is not the job it is your life you work out two hours a day because you're a professional athlete you pay attention to detail and planning and execution you pay attention to Kit you shoot move and communicate every day on the weekends you're you're shooting civilian USPSA because you want to be better as a practical shooter so you'd be better as an operator all these things matter and that's your life and you churn what we call the Playbook where it's you train up for combat you go to combat and then you have a down cycle which doesn't exist and you do that for 20 years two decades and then the machine spits you out and then what do you do well you [ __ ] die I mean for the most part most of the guys that I know who aren't seeking purpose in some profound way they [ __ ] die they kill themselves Andy Stumpf and all these guys are doing you know uh the seven jump seven continents um for legacy Expeditions amazing they just did it they did in six days and that kind of thing is their way of giving back and doing something profound people think it's extreme to jump out of airplanes Andy Andy Jericho Logan all these dudes Mike Sorella they could jump out of these airplanes um like like they brush their teeth in the morning there's nothing extreme about it but they're doing all they can to bring back purpose into their life to give back because I think that's you know whether it's non-profit whether it's giving back whether it's doing building community that's the closest thing that feels like it was on the teams where you're doing something selfless uh in service and guys missed that and you know I've had three guys that I know kill themselves in the last 90 days that came that come from my community of combat arms and Special Operations what kind of guidance is available if any to guys from Special Operations when they want to leave and enter into civilian life do they give you any sort of tools to mitigate the problems that would come up during that process there are some good non-profits like Warriors Heart Foundation here in Texas with Tom Spooner uh they do amazing things they do amazing work but there's nothing that I've seen that is fully integrated now if you're a member of a special missions unit a high level player in counterterrorism they have their non-profits doing good work that are helping those guys out because it's smaller numbers I would say but if you're a ranger if you're a Green Beret if you're a regular army kid you have no tools at your disposal I mean when I cleared the Army I cleared the Army in a week and signed out of the military and then transitioned into the CIA and there were no tools no briefs no understanding of what civilian life was going to be so as much as we prep our guys to go down range and put them In Harm's Way to kill bad guys we should be thinking the same thing about setting them up for success and transitioning them into civilian world or they're going to look at themselves as the bad guy and that's what they're doing I mean most of these guys are checking out by the way because they are looking at themselves as liabilities and burdens and we are taught there's two kinds of people liabilities and assets and if you're a liability you need to cut sling load you need to get rid of the liability um and if you could make yourself an asset you can but what tools do you have at your disposal so when you get out and your wife is upset because for the first time you're home and you're just pissing her off your kids don't know you you can't get a job you don't have tools you don't want to bug your teammates who are doing the job right now what do you have left well you look at yourself as a burden and you check out and that's what a lot of guys are doing Jesus and what about like giving you do they they give you any counseling on how to deal with some of the more traumatic experiences of the military how to get over like if they think you have PTSD or they think you have like some nightmares and night terrors do they give you any sort of counseling on how to how to mitigate those issues how to calm yourself down or zero zero when I was in there are some good programs now being kind of run but I would say it's mostly look the the war machine is just that there's an incentive to go to war and the guys who want to go to war are going to find ways to go to war if you come back for more and you do a questionnaire and they say do you have problems especially mental health issues and you say anything you're going to be pulled from the team so you're not even going to be sitting on the bench you're going to be pulled from the team you're going to be putting some staff job while you get counseling everybody's going to ridicule you they don't even have to say anything you just know they they are hating on you so everybody knows this in advance everybody knows this in advance so it's not there's no incentive to raise your hand and say I'm having problems and and most I would say don't have the tools to self-identify if they're having problems even in myself and a lot of the guys I serve with when we were drinking a little bit too much or when we're using Ambien to go to sleep because we can't sleep all these things we thought were normal because we're part of the culture and then when you kind of separate from that you you get your [ __ ] together if you're lucky you look back and go damn I was really [ __ ] up I was really screwed up so when you got out and how do you transition into field Craft survival like how much time was it like from being in the CIA when did you decide to start doing this so I I I was downrange with with the government in Pakistan and my riding partner was a Navy SEAL and he was the brother of um uh Owens Ryan Owens who was killed in a haas's rescue with still Team Six um and we were kind of looking at our lives and assessing everything and I was you know I was a babysitter for case officers like it's like 13 hours in Benghazi does depict the job well and uh there are some accuracies there but that uh that obvious catastrophe is unique that the actual job every day is mundane it's boring but it's necessary I was just [ __ ] done man I was like dude I'm tired of babysitting [ __ ] people I was I was a reserve sergeant major here in Bee Caves big shout out to 19th Special Forces Group and Special Operations attachment Africa I was actually Tim Kennedy's boss his j3 sergeant major and so I was going down range with the agency flying back turning around putting on a different uniform and deploying overseas to Africa then coming back putting on a different uniform and then going back overseas I had no life so I said I need to start something for myself and survival was that thing but not like Naked and Afraid survival not like Bushcraft [ __ ] when I think about survival I think of Modern Survival like what do you do to be better prepared um to deal with [ __ ] that's that's statistically probable the vehicle accident all that [ __ ] um so I started the concept in in Pakistan got back from that trip and resigned everything so I'm [ __ ] done hung it up and then I remember the first day of going holy [ __ ] this is me like whatever I do right here right now it's all up to me I have 25 000 of big baller Contracting money to go to work and that's where I kicked it off so you just started from scratch like let's make this work because we have to that's that's it I I had no options at that point because I had no [ __ ] life I mean my life up into that point was serving in a military or Government Contracting capacity and chasing the [ __ ] rainbow that's what I was doing and you just realized you couldn't do that very much longer I realized like looking at teammates that were 50 plus years old who were making fifty thousand dollars a trip going back home blowing it on oh dumb [ __ ] buying the next Harley the next pickup truck getting broke and then coming back doing it again for decades that's not the overall experience for most but seeing that I was like I don't want that I want a life I wanted a family as well and so how difficult was it to sort of craft this field Craft Survival program and and then to get it out there to get it to the point where now it's like it's a big thing on social media and you've got a huge following and a lot of videos a lot of views and it's very popular but like what was that like to try to get that launch because you're essentially starting from zero dude it's the hardest [ __ ] thing in the and like it is there one there's not a survival industry right if you think survival most people thinking Naked and Afraid Bushcraft running sticks and [ __ ] together in the woods so the idea of Modern Survival didn't exist so we knew we were pioneering kind of a new thing and every business advice that I got was uh don't do that because it's too much it's too much [ __ ] also when you look at um preparedness as a whole it's got a bad stereotype the tinfoil hat [ __ ] right so I had a lot of stigmas to break stereotypes to to break through and then I had to create a protocol um one of the first things I did was I read a book uh called survival Psychology by John Leach which talked about the reason people live and the reason people die and I was super interested limited information out there on Survival Psychology by the way uh John Leach described the reason people live and people die and the sum up was a formula he called 1080 10. have you ever heard 1080 no so 1080 10 is the demographic of people broken down by percentage in population of all the case studies he did of catastrophes ships sinking massive fires all kinds of [ __ ] and he determined that 10 of the population of most disasters survive and the reason they survive is because they make rapid decisions they adapt in real time and they come from lines of work where that's necessary the military law enforcement teachers people who are cognitive under stress in the moment and make the right decision eighty percent of the population is broken down about 50 50. they're guys who like who have good intent they make the decision but on a second floor fire they'd run to the third floor they jump out and they fall in their [ __ ] head right they plant they had a plan but it just didn't work out for them and then the bottom 10 is the bottom of the barrel where 10 of every catastrophe people are just gonna [ __ ] die they're just going to do something they're going to jump off the boat when the boat's sinking not realizing or forgetting they can't swim and they hand out life preservers to everybody else but themselves they jump in the water and they [ __ ] drown so when I assess this I started looking at Psychology statistical probability and I realized I needed to create something in the preparedness world that was realistic because a lot of guys they talk about things in you know the apocalypse the um the worst case scenario what I wanted to do is is kind of sum it up to a question I had and this was my business kind of uh hypothesis why do special operators go out and do the most dangerous missions in the world and survive like if you if you took me and my team in 2007 under task force 16. we were working with jsoc so you get 22 SAS British operators you got still Team Six you got the unit you got Ranger regiment you got the commanders in extremist Force which I was a member of they're going out every night with good intelligence of Al Qaeda and crushing dudes like crushing dudes um in that trip we lost a couple SAS guys so the British commander came out and gave this go to war speech we all had our kit on and in that moment we thought we were going to get like a memorial speech like hey man this we lost these guys it wasn't that it was a go to war speech it was like people die in combat this [ __ ] happens get your kid on let's go out and kill everybody and I'm like holy [ __ ] and so we would go out every night and prosecute targets with like 99.9 success rate of not having casualties On Target so the question would be well how can we do that most people think being a special operations is a dangerous job it's actually not so being a cook um in 101st Airborne Division and you're told to get on a 50 cal and go down a main Supply Route because we don't have anybody else that's a dangerous job but when you plan when you can plan for things to go wrong and contingencies when you're fit because that's part of your culture when you fight that's part of your culture when you look at the equipment and you pay attention to all these things that matter it's a lifestyle so if people want to be better prepared I came to the understanding that it they have to live the lifestyle the [ __ ] can't be a hobby we're talking about like new guys getting guns before if a new guy gets a gun and they think that gun is going to solve their problems if they go out and get a go bag with all the cool [ __ ] because they buy it off the shelf at REI and throw it in the trunk of their car but they haven't integrated into their lives trained it used it in education taught it to their kids then it's a tool that's not likely going to be utilized so we needed to redefine that culture we needed to create it from [ __ ] scratch is what we did and does that culture include like an exercise program Does it include like a mindset program yeah it's all of that so we do we do online training we do in-person training um we offer products we do it all for example we just did a family preparedness program called 62 named after the Homestead Act of 1862. that's a long form online course 12 weeks long where we teach people in the academics how to can how to jar how to defend yourself how to treat a wound how to maintain situation awareness all that [ __ ] which is very comprehensive we even teach people how to homeschool their kids I mean homeschooling your kids um up until recently wasn't a thing it's increased I think 10 percent uh since 2016. uh We've increased a lot during the pandemic increased a lot during the pandemic that 10 is like 56 billion dollars of savings to the American taxpayer um and a lot of people are in sourcing this but these tools that we teach breed self-reliance where you don't have to depend on systems and institutions you could depend on yourself so it's all that what program do you use like when you're saying you teach how to homeschool your kids like what are you using as a curriculum and like how you devising that so Amber so we have an app coming out in June um I have a book called prepared that launches and we're hoping to have the app finish by June 6th which is D-Day when the book drops when when that drops what we hope to have on the app is the Core Curriculum of academics required for uh in-home education it won't translate across all the states because some states are stricter on homeschooling than others in Utah you could teach your own curriculum as you want where Amber lives in Louisiana the same thing applies so math science arithmetic all the basic skill sets are going to be taught on the app and then including ideas around self-reliance like how to make a fire how to build a shelter uh what happens if you're wounded or you get in an accident all those things we want to teach similar to what um Tim Kennedy is doing at his school but doing it for the online homeschool mom um that that's also preparedness education as well so how did it come up uh that this was being labeled by the government as potential terrorists oh Lord oh man um because when I read that I was like this has got to be a mistake like this has got to be just a misinterpretation of what what you guys are doing yeah I so I will say this when I thought I was being suppressed and then people were like yeah but you know it's just your analytics suck or whatever I was like yeah that's probably that you know I was being optimistic about that well when Kyle Serafin the have you heard that name he's the FBI agent who leaked the documents of militant violent extremists mves that were determined by the FBI of being people and groups of Interest um I knew it was a reality this just recently happened this was probably six months ago this just got leaked so let's back up like a couple years when I started a group called American contingency the idea for that group was coming from the issues in chats remember Chaz like that little [ __ ] Community they basically blocked off a city block in Seattle yeah yeah a rapper um did that and and the police told the community um I'm sorry the police told the police chief told the police through an email we will not respond to calls in and around the area of Chas unless it's a mass casualty event so there were law-abiding citizens who were getting affected by politics you know coming down on law enforcement officers and telling them not to do their damn job so when this kind of evolved um I said I'm going to start a group called American contingency where people can depend on each other they could help people help each other out so that kind of manifested itself into a group a forum and the FBI analyst um that was doing open source open source searches on intelligence discovered the group and determined that we were extremist and labeled us so when he did that he contacted Facebook the FBI contacted all these social media platforms my company account got shut down from Shopify Shopify said um you have 48 hours to get your information and you're gone so a multi-million dollar business gone no no way to get it back no way to contest it or fight it because I don't have millions of dollars and a lawyer to fight it 48 hours to offboard it and it was gone um the FBI also told Facebook Facebook banned us on all the traffic American contendency got banned and all the [ __ ] got shut down um suppressed for years and thinking like what the hell is going on I had an Insider in Facebook who just got laid off during The Meta laid off he actually uh four months ago before he got laid off I said hey can you look into American contingency community-based group a freaking group of good Americans helping each other in a time of Crisis natural man man-made disasters I said can you see if we can get our account back now that this thing's leaked and they've determined I'm not a domestic terrorist they call me a white supremacist they there's actually an article on uh on a leftist um uh wrote like a 20-page article on a leftist uh uh organization it's like a DOT org USA Today published it and when the national media picked it up it spread like wildfire and everything got deleted when that happened I said hey is there a way that we could maybe get our stuff back because they're saying we acknowledge it was a mistake um these guys and this guy Mike Glover is not a terrorist he looked into it and got a response from the India team from India that was managing my account that said we looked into it and he is a domestic terrorist and we cannot free up this account because he's been labeled a domestic terrorist how that got determined was likely from the FBI telling everybody but it still exists today I mean today still exists today are listed as a domestic terrorist a domestic on Facebook on which translates to Instagram I am listed as a domestic terrorist I have the screen grab from the from that conversation from Team India Ireland was managing my account when it originally got deleted they offered it to India which obviously there's going to be cultural issues there I am still labeled a domestic terrorist group with American contingency and myself labeled that as well when they do this do they have to point to any one specific thing that you guys are advocating like how can they just say you're a domestic terrorist because you're telling people how to travel from Arizona to Canada and one tank of gas and how you know to treat wounds and how to deal with a one-on-one combat situation like how what don't they have to have one thing they can point to what Mike Glover said this so this puts him in that category there was some analysis done um from Kyle Surfin who when he did this he uh he screen grabbed some stuff and it looks like it was just this analyst said it he was actually rebutted by some guys that I know in the FBI likely Hoss's rescue guys that I work with overseas like good dudes I mean the FBI hostage rescue teams are great guys but it was likely told and communicated through some kind of agreement between Facebook and the FBI where they say hey here's the Blacklist and I can't prove this but this is Kyle thinks the same thing here's the Blacklist Blacklist all these guys and all these organizations because they're potentially extremist I mean the three percenters the proud boys who we are not any of those we are lumped up in the same exact list as that and and it said it said these guys have a low History of Violence and I'm like what the [ __ ] is low History of Violence mean like zero should be zero it's low but it's zero um and and we even had proof we had to submit proof of January 6th that we weren't involved at all in fact I went out and said hey as a organization you should be concerned about taking care of your family defending your family taking care of your family stay the [ __ ] away from Washington DC that is literally what we put out still that wasn't enough to get us off the list it's a lit that you have to prove that you weren't involved in January 6. how nutty is that crazy instead of them showing hey you were involved in January 6th you have to go out of your way to show that you weren't wear something like that could be the case with every [ __ ] event that happens in the world prove that you weren't here prove that you weren't there well a lot of the guys who were getting rolled up they did they were doing assessments of CCTV cameras and just using facial recognition to identify dudes and just go roll them up and I never thought to ever go there because I the whole thing was [ __ ] dumb to me but I'm like dude imagine if I showed up with with a correlation of um hey this guy's labeled a terrorist he's on site [ __ ] I'd be the commander of terrorist I mean that that's enough Fidelity to get me lined out and go this dude's in prison I mean that would have been me with your background especially since they've already decided to label you yeah that's it's just so nuts to me that you have to prove that you weren't a part of something when there's no evidence that you were like that the the burden being on you to prove that you weren't there is so crazy they the the guy who wrote this it's googable but if you like if you probably put in Mike Glover domestic terrorist a couple articles will will launch they had pictures of me and a whole bunch of people in Heber City Utah where my headquarters is at in those pictures we were doing community events raising money for charity and they were calling um they said like Green Beret teaching militia all these different tactics dude it was 20 it was actually impressive writing it looked like AI wrote the [ __ ] like chat uh that chat GPT wrote it because it was so well structured that if you read it and you didn't know who the [ __ ] I was you'd be like this dude's a terrorist and dudes were blowing me up like guys were hitting me up on Twitter they're like oh this guy's a [ __ ] terrorist and I'm like I can't believe this is happening like all I want to do is I feel like I earned it you know I had the 20 years of service if you ask me that 10 years ago I'd say no I'm still earning it I feel like I earned it I'm an entrepreneur running a business trying to live my best life and I want to be left the [ __ ] alone and now I'm being labeled a domestic terrorist by the same organizations I worked with and for and no advocating whatsoever about trying to overthrow the government or attacking people or taking back your rights or storming the capital nothing zero all of it I've seen your [ __ ] all of it is about being prepared for natural disasters for the grid going down something happening where you have to protect yourself or your family that's it that's it and if anybody learned anything during the pandemic they should have learned that we have a fairly fragile civilization if the grid goes down if a natural disaster happens if something goes sideways look with a disease that kills a very small amount of people shut the entire country down and it wrecked the economy and [ __ ] up a lot of people's lives and we didn't learn from that we didn't learn like hey you know maybe we should have some food stored maybe we should have some contingency plan maybe we should have a full tank of gas always when we park our car at night so we can get out of town maybe we should have you know Firearms or you know fishing poles like [ __ ] something maybe we should have something the idea that that nobody can look at that people can't look at that and go oh this isn't domestic terrorism this is just smart this is just being prepared for disaster this is being prepared for worst case scenario the idea that being prepared for a bad case scenario makes you a terrorist is [ __ ] nuts that's that's really that's really crazy yeah it was a kick in the dick for sure I mean I and that it could affect your business like that they could shut you down yeah when they shut me down my merchant service account at the same time shut us down and you can't fight that you can't say like what are you talking about how are we a terrorist no we we tried to rebutt it through emails but they're like nah this [ __ ] We're Not Gonna you can't do it um you could do it with millions of dollars and a lot of litigation over the course of time but you don't have the ability to do it and we couldn't do it I couldn't afford to do it and they don't even have to have an example no no the no recourse and it's still it's still I mean as far as I know from four months ago Facebook if like if you if you went in and you tried to type in American contingency.com into Facebook or Instagram as an as a algorithm it detects it and we'll shut it down they delete my mom as an entrepreneur um uh Korean immigrant uh well she's she married my dad when she was um one of my Devastation in the Army in Korea brought her over started her business from [ __ ] from scratch like put up put a one uh Chair salon in our garage that was dirt garage put concrete down and started that business from the ground up worked 20 29 years at this point building this business had a Facebook account with a few thousand followers in Fayetteville North Carolina me was Beauty Salon and Spa they deleted it they did the leader account because she reposted something um from that account saying somebody I'm proud of my son and they deleted her account because anybody who who uh reposted the link immediately got their [ __ ] deleted with no explanation completely deleted forever when did this be come a narrative like when did being prepared because you know they used to have those prepper TV shows and a lot of them just even paranoid and some of them just seemed wise like that some of them just seemed like hey probably a good idea to have some food laying around probably be a good idea to have a plan in case anything goes bad but when did it become a narrative that someone who's preparing is a potential domestic terrorist I think it's it was the onset of the covid um when covet happened we were talking about preparedness years prior to this in November of 2019 after watching Bill Gates documentary on basically covet I think it was on Netflix and he was talking about pandemics and all the potential for Mass catastrophe and loss in human populations we talked about it and it was a thing like we said hey like these are things you got to be prepared for look our mission statement is we want you to be best prepared we don't care what Walk of Life you come from being prepared needs to be inclusive I hate that [ __ ] word but it needs to be inclusive because disaster is an equal opportunist it doesn't give a [ __ ] who you are it doesn't care what race what wealth bracket you come from it will hand you your ass so our thing was if you plan for the worst case scenario by default you're covering everything in between so yeah we use in in our verbiage worst case scenarios but we're not trying to be Doom and Gloom because we're talking about practicalities my guys teach self-defense uh 2019's the last statistic 400 around 400 uh Justified shootings according to civilians not a high probability you're going to be in a [ __ ] gunfight but you should learn to defend yourself and your family with responsible Firearms ownership and gun handling that that is not extreme but when you sum it up and you say we're preparedness company and who owns the preparedness company a former CIA bootlecker a [ __ ] um a Green Beret sniper whatever that the narrative is then we fit the narrative for them so you fit the the Bundy Ranch sort of 100 English uh yeah yeah yeah I mean what is the um Ruby Ridge yeah Ruby Ridge yeah but the idea that they could just label you like that without any examination and that all it has to do is be being prepared but so then becomes at what level is preparedness terrorism like can you have food can you have guns I don't think you can can you have water like what at what level are they worried about you and when you're not saying hey we need to overthrow the government all you're saying is I don't want to die if the power goes off like how the [ __ ] does that make you a terrorist yeah and you look if you look at it too it's a good relationship in collaboration with guys like us companies like us and the government because we're straining the government less yes right so when you you look at this bomb Cyclone that ripped through our country this bomb Cyclone came through and then brought a wave of rain across the country that was that that dump snow rain comes in it floods everywhere it [ __ ] up everything one of the issues where like in um in uh New York there was a girl 22 years old who died in her car on a city street six minutes from her home she spent hours in her car FaceTime or face timing messaging her family and was like I'm stuck and I don't know the cause of death but I likely would venture to say it was probably the snow covering the exhaust and she died of carbon monoxide poisoning because that happens right if the if the if the snow covers the exhaust it backfills into the cab through the engine and into the vents and you die of carbon you simply go to sleep and you die but if people are dying which dozens of people in that county in Buffalo New York died then us educating people on best practices and tactics on not dying is not should not be seen as extreme but here's the problem when I did American contingency we had thousands of people on board hundreds of thousands of people on board and when you have control and a and the communication to a population let's say it's it's my market but they look at it as like that's your militia they get concerned because the more that you have control or influence then the scarier they become the more oversight they want and that and that's what we've seen it's like the the more that we talk about preparedness it doesn't have anything to do with that it's about control but it's just crazy because the influence that you have is influence over people telling them how to take care of themselves that's all it is yeah I I you know uh to quote a good buddy Greg Anderson um no one's coming to save you our our motto is you are your own First Response Greg Anderson the Seattle dude yeah I like that guy dude you got to have him on he's a he's a he's a rad human being man I like following him on Instagram yeah he's dope he we're we're collaborating with the stuff a lot of stuff one of the missing components that we are missing in our program is Jiu Jitsu and we want to start American Jiu Jitsu program in our program because that's the start point I think um anyways Greg is like no one's coming to save you ours is you are your own First Response and we say hey look you have an officer average let's say it's 8 to 12 minutes average response time of a law enforcement officer or a first responder a paramedic EMT if you cut your let's say you caught your femoral artery in a vehicle accident and you bleed out and die um and you could have done something about it that's important but if the narrative is shifted then it's you're not supporting law enforcement and you're saying law enforcement is bad and you're anti-government or anti-police or whatever it is so what they're doing is taking all the the the communication we have reversing the narrative to fit their cause and then using it as a talking point and and that's what it's been essentially this Analyst at the FBI who did this assessment he put it out there immediately got rebutted I assume it's a hostage rescue guy from their HRT a guy comes in and goes and it's Anonymous and he's and you could probably see it on the back end but he's like hey I know I know Glover I've went through all this stuff do they they went through my DD 214 like my military record and they went into my medical records at the veteran affairs it's Kyle's uh surfing's uh sum up has all the things they did they looked into my background pulled my Med records to look at my all the [ __ ] that I've been through to determine if I was potentially [ __ ] crazy and I'm like how and how is this happening right and why the [ __ ] are you guys worried about me there are terrorists you need to worry about there are investigations that actually matter and you're [ __ ] with me yeah they're trying to ban you from Facebook meanwhile the Taliban has a blue check on Twitter that's real yeah the Taliban bought blue checks on Twitter there's a whole article about it the other day [ __ ] insane which is [ __ ] wild but you know Twitter is the last place you have to worry about now because uh you know what the way elon's handling things he's opened up a lot more to people being able to have Free Speech but the idea that you would be labeled a terrorist because you're trying to protect people and give people the option to save themselves essentially to get yourself out of Harm's Way and have the school the the schooling and the tools to be able to survive if something goes bad the idea that that's domestic terrorism is so [ __ ] crazy like I really wish it was a recourse I really wish it was some way for you to not just get everything back but like people you can't just do that you can't you can't just decide that people can't prepare for the worst case scenario and lump them in carelessly and recklessly into terrorist groups because you don't like that idea for some strange reason because in your head you've equated preparedness to to domestic terrorism which is so [ __ ] stupid yeah you know it's like what do they have in common you know they they both are worried like what what one is worried about is very different than the other that's like you know what is a serial killer and you have in common you both sleep you both drink water like what the [ __ ] are you saying yeah it's like there's a real value in knowing what to do if something goes bad how many people in that Buffalo freeze could have saved their lives if they had some sort of a preparative plan if they had a bug out bag if they had it's like a sleeping bag in their car so they didn't freeze to death people froze to death in their [ __ ] cars what if you had something some sort of a blanket like I have friends that live in Alaska they don't go anywhere without something in their car to keep them warm if something goes wrong you get a blown out tire and you're 100 miles outside of town you're [ __ ] yeah like you're you're staying put and you need to stay warm and those people are ready for that like are they terrorists what the [ __ ] it's just this nonchalant ability to just recklessly label people because what because they have a military background because you you you're there's little boxes that you want to check so you want to be able to lump them easily into a dismissable or even worse a you know a marginalized a a group of people where you're you're able to just like stop their progress stop their business stop their influence it's [ __ ] crazy it really is yeah they Ted Cruz is the only I mean there's been a few Ted Cruz grilled the FBI director when this [ __ ] happened and Kyle told me it delete they deleted it the next day so it was up on and whether whatever their open source system was it was up they deleted it the next day after that was done um but this isn't new I mean this has happened like Ruby Ridge is a good example yeah you got Ruby Ridge by the way is seen as a success by the FBI which is crazy which is [ __ ] bananas tell people if they don't know what ruby Bridge was tell them the story behind it so Randy Weaver a Green Beret from Vietnam Shacks up in rural Idaho and he decides that he wants to have a life off grid and the FBI doing an investigation with the ATF finds out that he has some kind of gun issue and they need to do an investigation and they need to go on site but here's this is almost it's crazy because there's similarities with our situation you find out the guy's background like if you're developing a Target packet on a bad guy you would want to know the guy's background right that's the first thing you do because you want to assess potential risk to force and you want to mitigate risk overall what's his background Green Beret Vietnam oh [ __ ] right then everybody gets all [ __ ] crazy right they start going oh we need to find out more so they do they do surveillance they don't just do off-site surveillance they don't do long-range surveillance they get in ghillie suits and low crawl to his [ __ ] cabin right and ghillie suits his son and his dog uh are out on the property because it's his [ __ ] property and they discovered these guys in ghillie suits the sun raises his rifle shoots and kills one of the uh FBI guys and the FBI guys kill his son so what would you do if you own property in rural anywhere in America you hear gunshots and your [ __ ] son's dead and you don't know what's going on and it's a bunch of dudes in ghillie suits so he winds up locking himself and barricading himself in the cabin and then they deploy the FBI hostage Rescue Team HRT I actually interviewed one of the guys that was at in he was in The Sniper site um as a sniper for FBI HRT when this went down so um long story short they kill his wife as well shoot his wife while she was holding a baby why she was holding a baby they think I talk talking to the one of the snipers they thought that um he was charging them into their position but he was fake charging like he was like he was making like a gesture like he was charging so they got panicky and they started breaking shots off at him they I don't know if they wounded him maybe he wounded him but he gets him he gets back inside and so they dump the next person they saw which happened to be the wife so they end up barricading the place even more and his ex-commander is the one that basically does a call out and gets him to negotiate and then eventually gets him to surrender so all this is said and done the FBI is found in the wrong they sue the FBI they win it's a it's a insanely controversial topic but if you look at the FBI two of the successes I mean there was guys who got awards from the FBI on that [ __ ] mission even though it was proven that they were wrong yeah even though it's proven they were in the wrong like Waco is a good example of it as well but this is what I'm talking about like there's a there's a breakdown between organizations in the government and their powers that be and and likely a Cascade a Tipping Point of mistakes that cascaded into the catastrophe that it was but that's the problem I mean we're seeing those things now like what I do with my business in a free Society is none of your [ __ ] business so if you if you are the director of the FBI and you know agents are probing into people's lives who happen to be veterans happen to be minorities like fit all your [ __ ] and they're [ __ ] up those dudes need to be fired and you need to make a statement to the public letting them know hey we're not [ __ ] around here we don't want constitutional rights infringed upon this guy was wrong to do that and what happened on our end they don't nobody cares that we potentially lost her but me and my uh marketing director Rob stayed up for 72 hours and built everything back from scratch I had a guy and I was teaching at gritter Sports in Dallas Texas a couple days ago teaching a pistol course and one of the guys was wearing a Phil craft hat and he goes you know where this Hat's from like my [ __ ] website like no no when you guys got shut down by Shopify um I bought I bought a hat and when I got shot down shut down we were losing everything no Revenue coming in everything the business was gone I put on hey I'm selling hats through venmo or through PayPower of venmo you could buy these hats this will keep my company afloat if you're interested in supporting the business until I get this unfucked please help fifteen thousand dollars worth of hats in a couple hours and one of those dudes bought these hats that's nice but amazing support from our community but that shouldn't be happening to Americans and my story like man like we work through it that's what like good dudes do with good people like we get I got a great team we just [ __ ] work through it we adapt we improvise we like overcome these obstacles and but we've had to do it a lot there's many cases and points where people's lives were ruined because of this we're more resilient than that because we're a preparedness company we're expected to be but there's dudes who are [ __ ] getting crushed and destroyed their lives getting destroyed has Tim Kennedy experienced any similar kind of pushback with his uh sheepdog organization yeah not as much with sheepdog um but it's the same kind of thing the same kind of thing like it's funny because people always tried to put us up against each other because they're like oh basically you're like a sheepdog response well technically I started before uh Tim started uh Sheepdogs also your friends and we're [ __ ] buddies like I would I would support sheepdog response in any way and it's a great program here in your backyard by the way it's in Austin it's based out of Austin um he gets it but he gets it from all angles I mean they [ __ ] on him and Chad roboshaw when they saved all those Afghans and did the evacuation I mean they were [ __ ] on those guys like oh you guys are boot lickers you guys are Rebels and cowboys it's like there's always somebody to try to [ __ ] on and we get we get it enough by people who are [ __ ] dumb we don't need the government to get their nose in it as well and screw things up which they are they're they're they're overreaching a lot I just can't understand why they would equate someone preparing for the waste worst case scenario and giving people tools to stay alive I just don't understand how they could just shut down your Shopify shut down all these things when when I when I start there this might be a an example of how the mindset is when I started my company I had military guys go after me and say why are you training civilians because you a military guy from uh the soft community they don't come out of the soft community and teach civilians typically they teach law enforcement military and guys are like why the [ __ ] would you train a civilian like that's you there's nothing they need to know like what do you mean there's nothing you need to know like well you're teaching them all these Advanced classified tactics I'm like dude I won I'm not that cool two I don't teach anybody any classified tactics I teach them self-defense I teach them situational awareness um I had a guy who goes Mike you guys are teaching people T Triple C tactical combat casualty care and it's a course right you have to go through the course like you shouldn't be teaching those guys that they need to be EMT they need to be paramedic you could build a [ __ ] Tesla like a homemade Tesla Chop Shop in your garage from a YouTube video and they're getting offended that I'm teaching somebody how to apply a tourniquet that you could learn in three [ __ ] minutes to stop the bleed from getting injured in an accident do you think it's just because the way it looks to them without examining it and having a conversation with you about it yeah I mean a lot of all of this is because there's no context there's no conversation right that's it there's no explanation you see the headline and even if we're talking about the bug out course well that's extreme I don't know about that you know I don't know about those guys the tinfoil hat guys I'm like well if you give me a couple minutes to explain my case um we have a lot of liberals who are in fieldcraft survival because they were disaffected by all the [ __ ] going on in California and L.A and they said man you know this this doesn't seem radical I need to know how to shoot a firearm I need to know how to apply a tourniquet I need to know how how to have a right mindset and more and more we're we're breaking through those barriers but it's difficult because most of the time there's no context or conversation after the fact well it's like we were talking about before that I knew a lot of people in La that were very anti-gun until the George Ford riots and then those same people were asking me how to get a gun some of them asked me if they could I had more than one person ask me how many guns do you had could could I borrow one of your guns to keep a gun at my house that's awesome yeah well that's how weird things got where people realize like oh no one's going to save me yeah you know what Greg Anderson was saying yeah no one's coming to save you and and you know in Austin they know it for a fact because if you call the cops like I I know people that have businesses and there was just an article today I was reading about people whose businesses get uh smashed into and they call the cops and takes an hour to get there cops are overburdened understaffed underappreciated and you know you have to have some sort of a contingency program you have to some sort of a plan you have to have some way to protect yourself you can't just plan on this system being there for you especially in the case of a natural disaster yeah you know I just was Furious when I was hearing that you were being labeled in that way and that they were ruining your business I'm like that just doesn't make any sense it's a valuable thing to learn it's a valuable thing you can choose not to incorporate it into your life you can choose to but the idea that someone teaching something does a I mean is that going to be the case with everything what is that the case with Jujitsu like like you know how to fight so you're you're dangerous and we don't want dangerous people is that what it is I mean at what point in time do you decide that preparedness and being a someone who plans out for the worst case scenario is a bad thing I think you remember remember back in the day uh I grew up in Ninjutsu I took ninjutsu hit back in the day was it Stephen Hayes yeah yeah I remember that dude he was always on the cover of Black Belt Magazine oh [ __ ] throwing stars and [ __ ] yeah what is it was it uh American Ninja or was it white there was a there was a bunch of movies there's American ninja movies and there was this one guy who's like the most famous Ninjutsu guy but have you ever watched that guy like move around he [ __ ] he didn't know Jack's [ __ ] he was helpless it was crazy man my uh my first experience is in Ninjutsu were kind of funny because all my instructors outside of uh Fort Bragg North Carolina I was in Spring Lake at the time or they were Green Berets so imagine a whole bunch of Green Berets they're studying the art of the time which is ninjutsu it's like what year was this this is uh night early 90s early 90s so this is like before UFC before UFC okay yeah which opened up everybody's eyes like oh [ __ ] 100 yeah I mean I have a uh my mom we were broke as [ __ ] man I my mom was very we were very poor at the time um and she couldn't afford a lot but she was like you know I took Taekwondo like every Korean kid uh in Fayetteville and was like this is this is lame I want to do something a little bit more aggressive is there something like a dark art or something there wasn't there wasn't BJJ I wanted to like you know practice katana fighting with wood katanas and uh a Ninjutsu Studio opened up in Spring Lake and I go in there and one of the first classes that I had there was mirrors in the in the the dojo and the instructor comes in and he goes uh Mike I want you to stand in that mirror and I was I stood in the mirror and I'm looking at myself and just like staring at myself and my mom's kind of looking and she takes off she's like I'll be back in an hour she comes back and I'm I'm looking at the mirror thinking in my mind oh this is just part of the thing you know we're gonna do some meditation like whatever whatever like we're just gonna do this right and then get to work he leaves us there for an hour staring in the mirror staring in the [ __ ] mirror and and my mom comes back and she like looks at me and I could see her on the corner of my eye and I leave with her and she's like what the [ __ ] is going on like I pay good money for this and you just stare at me and you stand in the mirror for an hour what is going on um I don't know if it was like a tactic or whatever it was but I I actually learned a lot about myself um in those many instances I I don't know if that's practical but you know for a kid who had you know probably 80d at the time having to stand still for an hour and stare at myself for an hour you figure your [ __ ] out really fast you figure your happy place you become more disciplined and that's hilarious and it actually worked yeah it actually worked because that there's a lot of those guys that existed before the UFC that were just frauds there was a [ __ ] ton of them and they would start their own schools and they would teach people and they they literally didn't know how to fight they were making [ __ ] up they were making [ __ ] up yeah a lot of that uh my friend Eddie Bravo went to a place like that he started off at a place that would make it was making [ __ ] up and his instructor pretended that he was going off to China to train and uh and then Eddie saw him in the parking lot at a [ __ ] Supermarket if you saw his car he's like I thought he was in China of course he goes and the guy's in there it's like he's just a [ __ ] artist yeah those days nobody had it figured out nobody had it mapped yeah and what ever the master said in the dojo was gospel and it was held in high esteem yeah anything this dude said I would I would have bought into it do you ever um go to a fakeblackbelt.com or mcdojo life oh yeah Instagram they're funny as [ __ ] man there's so many of them yeah there's so many fake martial artists still out there they're still doing it it's it's amazing that they still exist and then the weird thing is um this thing they do where they like have this death touch on people and the people just All Fall Down dude because it seems like these people really do believe that they've been touched by some crazy qi energy and they fall and they they can't move their body there's a lot of them there's like hundreds of these videos it's like what is that sort of mass psychosis what is this like hypnosis like what what is it about that death touch thing that it's so prevalent yeah it's like uh what do they call it it's like uh survival surrender as a term in survival psychology where you submit and you just give up it's like a primal Instinct in us to have like a mechanism to kind of give up when when there is a last-ditch effort and we just kind of pass out it's like whatever that mechanism is same thing happens in church like with the people speaking in tongues and they touch I had a my mom was going through some [ __ ] when I was a teenager and we used to go to different churches all the time because she was like experimenting and and figuring out her [ __ ] and we wind up going to a a tent one time and Pentecostal yeah dude it was it was snakes they had all the [ __ ] yeah it was fun I looked at my mom was like what what is going on like why are we here and they brought up my cousin and I in front of everybody and this dude tried to do the thing on her heads and my cousin fell and I'm like oh like oh my God like he's been touched by God or something he touches I'm thinking he's he's gonna shock me and I'm going to be laying next to my cousin right and he pushes on my head and I don't feel anything and I'm waiting for it because I'm thinking like my cousin just dropped I trust my cousin how old are you at the time I'm I'm like 15. and he hits me and I'm like nothing happened I look at my cousin and he opens his eyes and he's like looking at me kind of smirks and I'm like oh [ __ ] so he hits me and I fall next to him and we're laying at each other like looking at each other smiling I'm a dude what the [ __ ] just happened and my mom after that she's I'm sorry I'm sorry guys I didn't know it was legit she was trying to go through so you just had to lay down yeah we had to pretend oh my God I think a lot of it is that peer pressure you just oh yeah for sure yeah if you don't do it you're the guy who doesn't do it when everybody's doing it well I mean I can say as a kid that started out martial arts as a young teenager when you go there your instructor has this power over you that's beyond like they're not just a mentor they they literally are a master and they're the ones that are going to teach you martial arts and you know I was a pretty disrespectful kid but when I was in martial arts everything was yes sir no sir and you know I had like great reverence for the the dojang like I didn't treat it in any way like with disrespect you never did that so like if you have that but my instructors were legit they didn't try to you know give me any death touch but if they did who [ __ ] knows I mean maybe I would have like maybe you just don't want to admit that your guys are fraud too so you just kind of like go with it yeah he's a mentor in your life yeah and if the mentor is a fraud then it kind of screws up everything you worked hard for well martial arts and Cults they they they're very similar yeah especially like traditional martial arts not saying that they have the negative aspects of occults but they have all the potential for cult-like ideology like for sure the master the students the master is unchallengeable you can't question them and then you also have like some very bizarre beliefs about their abilities that are above and beyond that of a normal person they're Untouchable they wanted they could kill everybody and I think that's like what happens in Cults you know you're talking about Waco I think the only way you let some guy [ __ ] everybody's wife and take all the money and stockpile guns like you have to really believe that this dude is in touch with God like you have to really really buy into it and I don't know what it is about people that want to believe something that's extraordinary like that this one person has these extraordinary connections to the higher power or the extraordinary power above and beyond that of a normal person I don't know why that is that people want desperately to believe that there's someone like that out there yeah I think everybody's looking for something and when they find that and maybe just a glimpse they like you said they want to believe it and that's all they need to get started yeah and once they come in and they're optimistic about that and you can't tell them that it's it's not real I mean it happens all the time I mean I mean you see it on online Behavior right somebody puts out something and people just pour on the bandwagon they want to believe it so much and it's like what the [ __ ] are we talking about here like is this [ __ ] just you said something there's no evidence or proof of what you said and everybody's like let's do this I mean you could you could look at January 6 and think that I mean everybody jumped on the bandwagon and then they showed up and then they're like oh what the [ __ ] do we just died but they were instigated by the FBI that's what's really crazy yeah what's really crazy to me is that look I'm not an anti-government person by any stretch of the imagination I'm certainly not an anti-intelligence agency person I certainly do think they're very valuable but there's definitely people in there that are taking shortcuts and when you're instigating people to do something that they were never going to do without you instigating them when does that become entrapment like when you look at the Whitmer case where they're trying to kidnap the governor of Michigan and it turns out that 12 of the people that were involved at a 14 were Federal informants like what yeah and then these two guys who get sent up the river for Life they're like what the [ __ ] like I this was all fantasy I'm a [ __ ] yeah like I wasn't they organized it they came up with the idea they formulated the plan they wrote it all out they talked me into doing it and then they arrested me yeah and it's like and it's like what what it is the definition of entrapment right and also it's what what do you strategy like you're sitting at a table and you're coming up with strategies and that's your course of action one your course of action one it's like hey we got these two losers who have nothing better going on in their life let's convince them to do some dumb [ __ ] and then put them in prison and then it's a victory for us all how much [ __ ] like the cartel all the drugs all the real issues that we have to deal with and these are the things that you're focused on I mean most of these guys who came out of uh the January 6 debacle like the guy who sat at Nancy Pelosi's desk he's like yeah I didn't [ __ ] know what I was doing he's like I didn't know it was Nancy's desk I saw a piece of paper and thought it was Nancy and I wrote her a note and I regret the whole thing it was [ __ ] dumb is that an Insurrection or is that just dumb people doing dumb things it's definitely dumb people doing dumb things and it's definitely poor security and there's also a lot of weird [ __ ] where the cops just opened up the gates and let those people pour through I'm sure they're walking them through yeah and then there's that guy Ray apps that that famous guy who they they show him at the Capitol telling people to go in and nobody's arrested that guy no charges at all and the FBI won't they won't comment as to whether or not that guy was working with them it's crazy look for sure they do find people that are about to do horrible [ __ ] they infiltrate terrible organizations and they do stop people in their tracks of doing terrible [ __ ] but they also they don't know when they get in there and then they instigate and they're trying to make a arrest and then you have stuff like the Whitmer case yeah well if you look at Waco 2 or even Randy Weaver um when you provoke and when you turn somebody into a Potential Threat let's call them domestic terrorist what what did you do to incite that reaction right I mean Randy Weaver didn't do [ __ ] yeah he broke the law likely he he broke the law but the idea that you're going to go there kill his son with no recourse and then and then somehow make it better by putting sniper hide positions and setting him up if they killed him like if social media existed back then there would have been riots I I hope there would have been some kind of protest or dispute but like even in my situation the [ __ ] happened and there is no consequence nothing was done Ted Cruz chewed out the FBI director they deleted the [ __ ] I'm still labeled it on all the platforms and there's and we could do nothing about it and your Shopify is still gone oh yeah the Shopify thing and it kind of bothers me because I like Shopify and we had good success in Shopify it's really easy to use for a new entrepreneur like go out and get a Shopify [ __ ] account but I I couldn't get it I mean they deleted my website that we work really hard to build they they deleted all of our consumer data which makes a business nowadays on e-commerce and gave us no explanation not one they basically said we don't owe you an explanation you're deleted that's so crazy that's but also it gives you the incentive to become completely independent 100 here's what I will say it wasn't necessarily a bad thing it's it's the idea of resilience you learn resilience by exposing yourself to difficult circumstance and then you adapt through adversity and you become more resilient so these things like big Commerce came to me um I think they're based in Texas big Commerce came to me and said look we are a new platform we don't suppress people for their ideas and if you want to onboard with us we'll make the process really easy and we onboarded with them and haven't had an issue since so when you say they took away your website like where was your website being hosted on Shopify because on Shopify you can have a website as well yeah you could host it on there which is why it's so it was so great it's just so [ __ ] crazy there's no recourse none and they can't point to any one thing it's not like there's no real evidence yeah people in the FBI have said um American contingency and Mike Glover were were not domestic terrorists or organizations they were just a pass-through entity that likely could lead to domestic extremism which I don't even if you put them within this [ __ ] so is Home Depot yeah you put me on a document and you say these things about me and it gets leaked that's not good for my [ __ ] business I have a book deal we're doing a History Channel show like all the [ __ ] I was waiting for them to drop me on everything and and then I likely would have went to bat to get a lawyer and everything else and spent the money and invested in it in it um but to be honest I don't have a [ __ ] enough time or money to deal with that [ __ ] and we have to move forward I don't know what else to do that's probably part of the thing that they count on is that you don't have the money to of course to move forward don't drag that [ __ ] out yeah and then that's exactly what they'll try to do it's just um it's very infuriating to me and it's also I think what you teach is very valuable I mean I've watched a bunch of your videos and it's all common sense and really good knowledge and the way you lay it out and I think it's good for people to learn it's like if you find yourself in a situation where you can use some of these tactics take some information to save your life or the life of others isn't that valuable and it are we we trying to pretend that it's not possible that the grid can go down or that it's not possible that a natural disaster could take place or it's not possible that you know there could be some sort of an attack we have to flee the city that's crazy it's CR it's crazy to pretend that possibilities aren't possibilities a lot of the things that we teach now are likely to get worse with time if you look at all the bad statistics they're up if you look at all the good statistics they're down in terms of what well if you look at let's take crime for example crime is up um across major Metropolitan highly populated democratically ran areas up 25 to 50 percent across the bandwagon that's violent crimes that's homicide murder rape all the bad stuff um is it really that high 25 25 to 50 in most metropolitan areas homelessness you you've seen the homelessness epidemic that is truly a systemic issue in San Jose La New York uh San Francisco are the biggest ones that's like top four those numbers are not going down they're only getting getting worse does that speak to our lack of preparedness absolutely it speaks to our lack of resilience most of the things that we thought we were going to teach at fieldcraft were originally hard skills let's teach shoot move communicate let's teach how to apply a tourniquet let's teach how to use a ham radio all that [ __ ] that's important but what's more important is building resilience in people and that takes a different conversation and understanding I also think it takes kind of an understanding of how the [ __ ] works in the first place because what we're really talking about in disaster is catastrophe which is just how you react and respond based on a stressful situation there's a term trade anxiety you ever heard that term trade anxiety no trade anxiety I think I heard you recently talk on a podcast about people um kind of not being resilient because they're they're already fearful of circumstance and a lot of that lends itself from trade anxiety which is people's whether it's their experiences or background or their triggers in trauma or just their condition in stress a lot of people walk around with trade anxiety where small [ __ ] is big [ __ ] you first world problems a a traffic jam could turn you into a sympathetic nervous wreck where you literally are in fight or flight smashing the steering wheel screaming at the top of your lungs more likely to commit a violent act well why would that be important in preparedness because how you react to stress and low grade or high grade is important because high grade is the catastrophe low grade is just everyday [ __ ] so if you're not conditioned for low grade you'll fall the [ __ ] apart when you have high intensity and volume in short duration in time so all of these things that um we talk about in resilience are important to navigate you have to be very good at navigating and being more resilient well there's a lot of people that don't experience any discomfort other than annoyance mild annoyance they don't have any real stressors put on their law on their mind or on their body and so whenever something real comes up they don't have any mitigation tools they don't have any ability to overcome and adapt because they don't have to ever in their life it's like it's it's completely atrophied yeah there's I've studied this a lot and and not just the Neuroscience behind it but the application of how do we train it how do we make people more resilient and one of one of the things that's shocking to me like you said we live in a comfort crisis uh 93 percent of Americans lives are spent indoors 93 on average so seven percent is spent outside there's been multiple studies of looking at Psychology mental health and the benefit of putting yourself out in nature the book Comfort crisis dopamine Nation or great books that talk about these kind of things but that virtual reality that we spend on our cell phone is dumping all of our dopamine and we don't have the desire to get out we're not incentivized by our own chemistry because we live in an abundance in our society feast and famine's a real [ __ ] deal right yeah when you're famine you're hungry and you go out and you want it when I went to when I went to Ranger school as an 18 year old Ranger school was 70 something days when I went through it was two months of simulated combat you do four to five on average three to four hours of sleep a day and you eat one meal a day and it simulates the stressors of combat but you have to be able to operate in combat right you have to it doesn't matter what you want you have to be able to perform after that course at the end of that course when I got told I was a go and I I hadn't recycled I took a shower after a couple weeks in the field and I was the last phase of that's in Eglin Air Force Base and the swamps of Florida I smelt like dog [ __ ] I felt like it and when that water hit my back and that warm water like soaked my body it was the like profoundly created a memory in me of man that was impactful right so when we when I look back at my personal experiences the most impactful moments were also the most famished moments in my life where I didn't have anything it was very scarce we live so comfortable in abundance we don't have a calculation for this so we think everything that's going wrong on social media which is emotionally controlling the [ __ ] out of us is a disaster yeah when an actual disaster hits you in the [ __ ] face Maybe literally hit you in the face then you're awoken and you go [ __ ] oh what do I do now and you don't have the tools and you don't have the resilience to navigate it yeah the way I've described it as the worst thing that's ever happened to you is the worst thing that's ever happened to you even if someone being mean to you on Twitter yeah that's all that's ever happened that's that's the worst thing but that if you don't have the skills and if you don't have the experience of something actually bad happening where you have to figure out how to survive or at the very least something where your character is tested and your ability to deal with adversity is tested and test it all the time because I believe it's like a muscle and I don't I don't think it's anything that you could just like leave alone and know it's always going to be there for you it's just it's not like testing your resolve I think it's a very important thing that's one of the major benefits of exercise I don't I don't think it's just physical because I think the physical benefits of exercise are undeniable but one of the major ones is forcing yourself through discomfort because there's a lot of people out there that don't do that and when they're confronted by discomfort they just don't know what it is they don't know how to handle it they like someone who works out all the time and it's always just like Jiu Jitsu guys it's a great example because they're the the calmest [ __ ] people and there are always getting strangled they're always exhausted they're always like pushing themselves through so like normal difficult [ __ ] is not that difficult because it's not as bad as some [ __ ] strong ass [ __ ] on top of you trying to literally cut off your carotid artery because that's what's happening on a daily basis and if you don't have anything like that in your life where it's like like there's times when you're rolling you go into class and you're like oh boy I'm gonna get [ __ ] up here we go and you don't want to but you do it you get through it you get a valuable lesson out of that you get more resilient and it keeps building upon that every day every day A Little Bit Stronger a little bit more and at least maintains a certain level of of ability ability to overcome and adapt some people don't have any of that [ __ ] in their life every day is just spent either in a car or on a train on the way to work in front of the desk at home watching TV go to sleep wake up do it again and they're literally like a [ __ ] human jelly donut there's nothing going on there they have no resilience there's no way to live your life I know it's like easier to do that than it is to seek discomfort effort and to seek stressors and to try to overcome and adapt and figure out a life where you've balanced out strength and and calm but it's it's valuable to do and it can be done it can be done by anybody it doesn't matter who you are where you're at your life you can make changes right now and go about it in a different way from here forward yeah the number one thing that we teach people like if you said how do I become more resilient it's it's exercise because a workout of the day where you your body gets uncomfortable it tells your mind you're gonna die essentially is what happens like yeah stop doing what you're doing because you're gonna die pushing through those barriers those obstacles in your mind are going to make you more resilient I do a I do a stress shoot at the end of my classes and a lot of people who technically trained and this correlates to fighting as well um let me make the example like uh you hitting a bag most people think punching a bag makes them a good fighter or they'll virtue signal they're a good fighter because they punch a bag so you say you punch a bag you look cool punching the bag it feels cool it looks cool I must be good at fighting and then you get on a mat or you get in a ring with a real person and that's not how it works it's the same thing with self-defense a lot of people go to ranges they shoot paper they shoot still they fall in love with themselves but they don't Implement stress because when when you are in a parasympathetic rest and digest and you go in a like a flash cortisol norepinephrine dumps and you're in a sympathetic fight-or-flight response you shift your heart rate goes and spikes to 150. if you're not conditioned 170 180 190 beats per minute that is going to feel like chaos and at the end of my course where we learn technical skills like how to do the thing we do five minutes of calisthenics to get them to 150 beats per minute because that's how long it takes around five minutes of pushing and pulling air squats push-ups jumping jacks burpees basic [ __ ] when they get to 150 grown ass men three minutes into exercise are moaning and groaning oh and I'm like nobody cares that you're moaning and groaning nobody [ __ ] cares because nobody's coming to save you you need to start focusing on your breath and remembering what you're going to do do your mental model rehearsal for the execution of the part that we actually train so when they get up at 150 beats per minute they're supposed to as a baseline be 150 if you're out of shape which most people are 60 of our country is obese then they're going to be at 170 180 and they can't perform and their technical proficiency falls apart and that's what I want to see because I want to see what you suck at I don't want to shake you I don't want to tap you in the back shake your hand and say you've accomplished everything good job and then you walk away I want to identify your weakness often with physical exertion getting mold on a jiu jitsu I'm at that's where our reality becomes real and we can navigate it um when I used to do active shooting training people say when are we going to do active shooting training and like at the end like oh okay we're gonna do it at the end so they're anxious before they would go into the active shooting scenario based on the protocol that we taught I would take these Law Enforcement Officers grab them by their uniforms on a on a mat and I'd start pummeling them and so we'd start rolling basic Jiu Jitsu and I would start applying pressure where needed some of the guys who weren't trained in Jiu Jitsu would immediately go into a fight or flight they they would start hyperventilating hyper aroused yeah and they would get anxious they would start like almost screaming and I would have to coach them calm down collect your breath what they don't realize is if their systems aren't conditioned their central nervous system isn't conditioned if that happened for real in active shooting they would be propelled into that scenario and not be able to act kill the bad guy save the good guy go into Harm's Way make rapid decisions under stress be technically proficient because they are not conditioned for stress especially physically I mean it's classic cases you've already how it unraveled and this Comfort crisis that we're living in is getting worse I mean most people that I know they interact with their phones so much they're losing touch and connection with reality with their physical capability and they'll virtue signal all day their technical proficiency but it doesn't mean [ __ ] in an actual gunfight like it doesn't mean anything in a physical conversation yeah if you have never experienced trying to perform at a very high level of arousal when your heart's jacked and your adrenaline's bump into your system you really don't know what that's like it's a it's a very difficult thing to do you know I was shocked when I started bow hunting when you when you experience that moment when you you shoot all these arrows and you're like oh I'm really good at shooting arrows I've got it down and then all of a sudden a screaming bull is moving through the trees and you have this open window to shoot and your heart is [ __ ] hammering in your chest and your pins moving around like this you're like oh my God like I got to figure out a way to calm myself the [ __ ] down like I was I was shocked that that where there's really no I mean the the consequence is I don't want to wound an animal and I I don't want to [ __ ] it up I want it to be a clean and uh ethical kill so there's no danger to me but yet your heart rate is [ __ ] jacked through the roof because it's an alien sort of experience it's a very new experience multiply that times a hundred if your life's on the line multiply that times 100 if you're actually being attacked by that animal multiply that times 100 if a person is trying to get you and you're not accustomed to being able to respond and deal with stress and that's most people yeah you you'll find this fascinating this is uh you ever heard of the term hypo arousal yes so yeah I've heard you talk about it a couple times the problem with this idea of being hypo aroused playing possum the feign response as it's not widely studied um there's a woman named Amanda Ripley uh have you ever interviewed Emmanuel Ripley no she wrote the book Unthinkable and it's a real good uh book on why people live why people die I'm fascinated by that [ __ ] and survival she talks about the Virginia Tech shooting horrible circumstance that took place at Virginia Tech where shooter goes into school kills 32 people and then kills himself he goes classroom to classroom shooting students like one at a time at will at random shooting him in the head like 93 percent or more of the people he shot he shot in the head so he's just walking one by one and this is this is this is on me too this is something [ __ ] up I used to do I used to teach this course Warrior mindset you know this this this idea about oh we gotta have a warrior [ __ ] mindset and when I taught it I used to use virgin Tech as an example and I would say when does it become real for you to get off your ass and fight for your life is it when the 10th student closest to the door gets popped in the [ __ ] head by a semi-automatic pistol or is it the second person the third person or maybe your friend because friends sit together in classrooms was it your friend was it your friend that woke you up so you could fight for your life or was it when the Glock was put against the back of your head and then you went oh I need to fight and then you got popped in it and it's too late you're [ __ ] dead why did nobody fight and that's because I didn't know better I was ignorant to the science there is a response as noted by Amanda Ripley and in in different experiments of uh the chicken you take the chicken and you scare the [ __ ] out of it you put its head on a table like you're gonna lob it off and you pet it it will freeze in paralysis right hype o arousal not not to be confused with Hyper arousal it's part of the parasympathetic nervous system and it will shut your [ __ ] down and what happened in Virginia Tech is there was a student and one of the students in the classroom of 13 pretended to be dead he said when the shooter came in he heard gunshots and he put himself in a in a a a a situation physically where he looked like he was shot and as the shooter bypassed him one at a time he heard and was conscious to things but he was frozen in place he had paralysis he said at one point he thought he was shot because he went to move and his legs didn't work and he was aware but he was frozen the shooter left reloaded came back bypassed him again and continued to shoot everybody in that classroom got shot nine of the 13 got killed and he survived and when he talks about it in reflection in the book Unthinkable he says when I went to move my legs wouldn't work and I thought I was shot and I said to myself this isn't so bad and he came to terms with everything there was no pain there was no suffering that's because he was hypo aroused and sexual trauma victims by the way refer to this they say um I couldn't fight and I feel guilty because I should have fought there's a statistic that was done on sexual assault victims where 10 percent claimed that they were in paralysis what's unique about that situation is it's more 10 is more than the percentage of people who fought so a sympathetic response versus a parasympathetic response which means in us we have a mechanism to quit to check the [ __ ] out what do you think that's for it well in that they studied it and they think this is all speculation uh like the possum effect they think it is for um the Predator to assume the prey is Tainted bacteria virus not good to eat and it wouldn't be beneficial for a predator to eat prey that's [ __ ] up right really because if you're tainted and it eats you it could mean the difference between survival for itself and its family the Cubs the the wolf pack but does it have to have some natural selection aspect to it or could it just be just an overwhelming stimuli and inability to handle it so everything just shuts down well it's both because the unique thing about human beings is we have you know call us we we're parallel primates right we we go through a situation like let's say we're walking down a trail and I see a snake if I see a snake on the ground I jump back because I'm oh [ __ ] it's a snake well why did I jump back learn Behavior maybe it was genetically imprinted uh maybe my dad taught me uh maybe I just didn't want to die in my central nerve system activated the difference is animals do that except when animals do it they jump and they navigate it right it's very Primal for them when we do it we jump back and then we stare at the [ __ ] snake and we go dude I don't want to [ __ ] die I got kids at home I don't want to [ __ ] die if I die tell my wife I love them like dude that's a [ __ ] okay that's a gardener snake you're good you're not gonna die like oh okay cool right and you move on well we have this fear of impending doom and we have this emotional mechanism where we try to create the narrative and contemplation and understanding these things because we can figure out like what could go wrong we could figure out the courses of action that could lead to the bad outcome or the good outcome so here's the here's what what I think is unique in in teaching resilience so in combat it's funny because Amanda Ripley talks about this and asking people in law enforcement and military have they experience this dude I've experienced this so many damn times I have one one time I was in a a gun fight in um in Iraq and I was in a ditch there was a group of Navy SEALs up in a compound providing security my buddy Kevin Owens who works for me now he's a accomplished sniper in Green Beret he was on Twin 240 machine guns like in a vehicle I was in this ditch and we were looking for improv improvised explosive devices like caches whatever whatever's going to be in a ditch bad guys and I have night vision and an infrared laser and I'm shining it in the Stitch and the Iraqi who's the tier one Iraqi counter-terrorism Force guy super squared away guys he shines his white light in the ditch and when he does that a PKM machine gun opens up on my position so 762 by 54 rimmed and it's firing at us and tracers go over our heads I fall on my ass lift my gun and start shooting at the point of origin the Poo site so I'm shooting at the the position and I look down and he's in the fetal position and I'm like dude get the [ __ ] up and I hit him and I know this dude I've trained with this dude and he's in the fetal and he's Frozen in place I'm like get the [ __ ] up get up and he won't move so I grab him and drag him 20 yards while the the seals uh in the compound wall are reacting to contact and I drag him across this field and get him into the compound wall and I'm like shaking him I'm like dude what what the [ __ ] is wrong with you and he kind of he wakes up and one of the problems in the mechanism of being hypo aroused is opiates are pushed into your system to disassociate the trauma some even speculate to disassociate the transition from life to death to make it easier which is which is fascinating and I might do get get your [ __ ] together like get up he gets up we talk about it post-op back at the base he doesn't even realize what happened he's like dude I don't he's like what happened I'm like dude you you completely like wearing a fetal like almost crying I thought you were like you were paralyzed because I don't remember Mike I don't know what happened I'm like oh [ __ ] so his mind just shut down his [ __ ] shut down and and here's here's where I what I figured out there are triggers in trauma as part of this resilience concept that we don't really think about um this happened to me in Afghanistan um in a different rotation I'm I'm trained as a Green Beret like going through the woods doing patrols my M4 doing that thing small unit tactics basic [ __ ] that I Know I Know Field Manual 7-8 like the back of my hand it's what I understand nobody trained me how to act or how to be conditioned with a 107 millimeter rocket impacting near my position a 107 millimeter Rocket's like this big it has stabilizers front and aft and it can be shot off a rock like the Taliban would set these thing on rock rocks lob them it's a Russian Chinese munition it stabilizes and impacts the Earth it sounds like a [ __ ] freight train it's like so boosh and when it hits the ground everything 25 meters in front of it dies it has a 25 meter kill radius so everybody is trained for the small unit tactics react to contact in the woods in North Carolina that's where we get trained but standing in the middle of an open field in Afghanistan on a helicopter landing zone taking 107 millimeter rockets that are decimating everything in your in your path scared the [ __ ] out of me the first time that happened I remember I ran behind a Hesco and I like froze now I I worked through these this circumstance it's called illusion of centrality Illusion of centrality has to do with working through what you can control so if you get overwhelmed by stress it's going to crush you because you're going to freeze and you potentially would die in place if you have the illusion of centrality you have focus on the things that are in front of you because they're within your control so I was like [ __ ] I don't want to die get out of your head and [ __ ] move do this one thing so I ran out I grabbed a concertina wire piece and like moved it not even realizing my hand was cut guys were on the Riverside so they came up through the Constantino wire we got the vehicles in line and started shooting at that point there were some of our guys that were hiding under Vehicles Americans train for combat a combat experience that were frozen in place why because they had some [ __ ] activated trigger in their trauma that hit that band that that called a buffer zone between between being resilient and quitting and it breached that and they [ __ ] quit so you could be a trained operator you could be the most high-speed human being technically in the world and one thing can set you off and you could collapse and die in place because you don't have the tools the reason I'm saying that is is because people if they understand that will train more they'll expose themselves to their vulnerabilities and weakness more including Jiu Jitsu going camping going hunting being more resilient by exposing yourself and they'll do everything they can to create distance between that band of resilience and the band of where they fall the [ __ ] apart do they give you any mental Tools in terms of like things to concentrate Ways to Think ways to keep your mind inside a controllable parameter so that you can operate under heavy stress or at least you can it'll help you operate under heavy stress not really but so we learned a lot of this without knowing what we are doing like a lot of people think uh guys in the military especially in combat arms they think we're Adrenaline Junkies yes and and that's common here's the catch I don't think any of us are Adrenaline Junkies at all I've been I've been on little birds mh60s feet hanging off the helicopter on the way to go assault a target of foreign Fighters sleeping on the helicopter prior to infilling and and hey get up one minute out like Roger get up you know kind of adjust your kit get everything ready hit the target fast roping on targets hitting the X like I mean my five rotations on Iraq all of those were with special operations and all of them very Dynamic rotations I never once I mean I've been in situations where I almost was killed and it was super super crazy of a situation but I wasn't overwhelmed with with stress I've looked at my guys on a Target and all of them are standing out in the open in the middle of a gunfight and they're just kind of hanging out and like guys can you [ __ ] take a knee and they're with night vision with infrared lasers on their guns and they're standing out in the open but I'm like hey take a do something besides stand in the open so relaxed so there's a there's a there's another version of this where you're so conditioned so when I look at my career and my experiences we were over conditioned I don't know if over conditions a a bad thing but we we actually were complacent in a lot of ways because we got away with a lot but also because we were so conditioned for it the protocols that we teach is number one breathe and it sounds I mean I've heard guys on your podcast I pay attention to guys like huberman who put this stuff out breathing not only off gas is CO2 it also brings you back to your to your body it gets you out of your head and brings back awareness in your body if me and you are free falling have you ever free Falls no dude you got to do this no I don't I know Andy stump is gonna he wants to tether you to his body for charity [ __ ] off for charity donate money I'll cut you a check [ __ ] off Andy oh man um if me and you were falling and this is an example of something we we did but we didn't realize what we're doing if me and you were falling in free fall and I was the new guy and you were the senior guy you would be flying around me like a [ __ ] hummingbird like zipping around me effortlessly I would be overwhelmed by stress freaking the [ __ ] out of my head I would be very narrow in my focus not seeing my altimeter seeing the Earth coming closer to me and scared shitless if I did look at my altimeter I would glance at it and it would be hyper focused and then you would look at me and to calm me down you would do this right that's the hand and arm signal to Arch so I would do this well I'm doing for Bill just listening you're just shaking your hands shaking your hand right like it's wet it's wet so this is the hand and arm signal for Arch this is the hand and arm signal to relax so if you said this like this when I did this I'm literally moving my hands which is bringing awareness back into my body because I'm not thinking about impending doom in my head and all of a sudden my body relaxes and I'm like oh [ __ ] and I'm like oh I could see my altimeter oh things aren't so bad we get in our heads a lot and breathing not only helps optimize oxygen in our body under stress but it also is the awareness that if I'm breathing I'm also thinking about breathing which means I'm not thinking about impending doom then I'm gonna [ __ ] die um the second thing um we could wrap that part up with just affirmation most people we're our own worst enemies right we beat ourselves up routinely I heard you say you don't have to crit nobody needs to criticize you because you do it [ __ ] enough to yourself I'm the same way I don't need critics because I'm My Own Worst critic um that could be a detriment but also if you look at confirmation bias uh the unique thing about confirmation bias is it's like the cell phone if I pick up this cell phone and I could record in 4k which is typical of most phones that's kind of how our brain and our our senses work if I pick this phone up and I push record it and record it in 4k it would stop recording when I've met all the bandwidth I filled up the memory and it would crash and then I would have to partition it I'd have to shut it down and it's [ __ ] reset so if we are thinking about that in Psych psychological terms in confirmation bias we create the narrative then I go out into the world focused I can't keep it running in 4k so I can only partition my focus I'm looking at you you're looking at me we're focused and then we shut it down we watch YouTube and stare into Oblivion for [ __ ] an hour we get back to whatever and we're focused you could only partition your focus the problem with us is if we are looking for confirmation of the narrative in our heads we'll go out into the world and we will look for evidence that we are who we say we are so if you wake up and you're like I'm a fat piece of [ __ ] then you'll walk walk into the world looking for evidence of that and go that dude looked at my stomach I [ __ ] knew it he looked in disgust I'm a fat piece of [ __ ] because that's how we collect the evidence it's it's what it's how it's How faith is based because that becomes our faith and our new belief is somebody who's religious doesn't look at an accident hey six kids died in a van rollover that's tragic that's that I question my belief in God now because God would never do that they do the opposite they go you know what was there another vehicle that bypassed through there yeah that could have been T-Bone that had two people's lives in it they have a family that's a miracle of God and that reaffirms my faith and my belief we do the same thing every day so if you want to become more resilient and more and more focused as a person you need to wake up and say I'm the [ __ ] best I mean I know Andy stumps Jack Carr and all the Navy Seals and I know they live this because they they think they're the best Navy Seals think they're the [ __ ] best um that's how you become more resilient because if you affirm every day even if you're not and you say you're good enough or you're the best you're going to do well it's like the Jocko [ __ ] it's uh goggin [ __ ] it's that easy you just say I'm the [ __ ] best I'm a badass I'm gonna do it and if you go out in the world looking for that belief you'll find it and you'll get better so you think there's a negative aspect to being too self-critical because you can sort of program yourself that you are a piece of [ __ ] 100 yeah I mean here's what's because also you could [ __ ] yourself to think you're the best when you really suck a lot of people are like that yeah so what's the balance so um let me give an example like if a guy works out with me um I I did a on my YouTube channel Mike Glover actual I did a uh a mental health video and my mental health video was simple I said don't be [ __ ] lazy and a lot of people were like well what do you mean don't be lazy I'm like exactly that don't be [ __ ] lazy because if you want to do something in your life that requires Improvement it likely correlates to action and that typically correlates to physical [ __ ] movement so you want to be a better fighter you physically got to remove your ass from the couch flick the Doritos out of your belly button and get into the [ __ ] Dojo right so it's a plan of action not just a plan period a lot of people who come to my training they do five minutes of calisthenics I had a guy I won't mention his name um I don't even [ __ ] remember his name but I don't mention his uh this this situation exactly but we're doing five minutes of calisthenics and his world is falling apart he probably shows up with an idea who he thinks he is inside of his head he does the thing and realizes holy [ __ ] five minutes of calisthenics just whip my ass maybe I need to re-pryor prioritize my hierarchy of needs and skills so I see a lot of guys on social media talking about how they're the best Shooters on the planet and they're [ __ ] fat so if you think being better prepared is is focused on being fat and shooting cool you're not going to survive you're going to be the first to [ __ ] go right so we need to strike the balance most people unless they have the awareness because they're exposed to the weakness won't do it and that's why I encourage people go to your local dojo um get pummeled by I'm 240 pounds I have a 160 pound kids Chad roboshaw's son [ __ ] pretzel rolled me a couple years ago it folded my neck actually put me in a Hurt Locker folded me in half and I'm like I need to go in a sabbatical and become better because when I come back and fight him again I'm gonna Pummel this kid to death we need that kind of exposure in our life you definitely need something that gives you reality check because there's a lot of delusional people do you see that from hunting when you go hunting yeah I assume oh yeah a lot of it the addiction of it has to do with the process and the experience right well uh there's a lot going on with hunting I mean it's very Primal uh it's also the enjoyment of being in the wilderness that's a big one for me because for someone whose life is uh there's so much stimuli there's so much going on so many things to concentrate on when you're out there there's only one thing to concentrate on Left Foot Right Foot you know check your wind look around your hunting you're concentrating on Hunting you're concentrating on making sure you don't stumble into a [ __ ] mountain lion because they are out there and we have seen them but you're also concentrating on you have this very One Singular task find an elk get down win sneak up on them put an arrow in his vitals that's it that's it and everything else is secondary all the [ __ ] in your life is secondary there's that and then there's also to me I love I love the meat I love the self-sustaining aspect of it that you're out there getting your own food I love everything about it but it's also I gravitate towards difficult things I've always gravitated towards challenges I think it's very important for you I think it's uh it's what's made me uh it's made me more resilient It's Made Me More more inquisitive it's made me more self-analytical like you find out more about yourself by challenging yourself and you could have these delusional ideas of what you're capable of or who you are you know you think you're the [ __ ] man and then you get your ass handed to you and you go oh I'm not even close to the man like I don't even know the man like I need to I need to become better and then you just keep showing up just keep doing it and it's this constant grind and one day you can look back and go oh look at that I'm a black belt now crazy I used to suck that's how it is with hunting that's what it is with stand-up comedy I guess it's that way with podcasting I think it's that way with anything difficult and I think difficult things are important to do you know I'm not I enjoy watching TV and relaxing and hanging out with my wife and kids I enjoy it yeah I enjoy vacations I enjoy it I figure out how to do that for the longest time I couldn't because for the longest time I was just grind everything was just keep grinding you know I don't want whenever if I had to like take a day off I was like this is [ __ ] I should be grinding but now I've figured out a way that I realized that downtime is actually good for my grind it actually helps reinvigorate my my purpose my enthusiasm my tenacity as long as I don't get sloppy as long as you just realize what you're doing this is just just use it as a rest in recovery time and it's good to reignite your enthusiasm for things some people don't do that though some people for whatever [ __ ] reason they just want to live in this delusional bubble and you know those people they're hard to talk to because they're just full of [ __ ] they always they're always all their stories are they're the [ __ ] man and they're the best and it's like man you're gonna fall and you know you know those people are gonna fall apart if some [ __ ] happens because they really don't know what it's like to be stressed they really don't know what it's like to be tested and I think it's you know what you were saying about that shower that you took I had I've had similar experiences and I had this one time when we were uh me and Brian Callan were hunting with Steve rinella in Montana and uh we were there and uh it was in October it was freezing cold like we're camping it's like nine degrees outside and we're there for a week and then we checked into this uh shitty ass Hotel in Billings and they had hot water and you know just shitty hotel like [ __ ] shower curtain and turned on the water it was the happiest I'd ever been in my life just in this in this shitty shower this shitty hotel room with fake wood paddling on the walls just ah the best shower ever just soap and water like oh it felt like it's [ __ ] stunk like a cadaver's [ __ ] but it was amazing just washing yourself off and just the luxury of hot water which is an everyday thing I don't think about it at all when I get in the shower I just get in it's nothing it's it's there's almost no pleasure to it it's like oh it's kind of warm it's nice but this euphoric thing only comes comes to you after seven days of camping in the freezing cold some scarcity yeah that's you you need that you need difficult [ __ ] as much as people don't like to experience it you you need it because it will make your your sunny days brighter you need rain it's one of the things that I think is [ __ ] up people about living in La it's sunny every day you can't appreciate what it's like to to be in a [ __ ] bad storm because it never happens 100 yeah I I this Feast famine you know scarcity abundance this cycle of life people if they just tuned themselves into that I think it's beneficial I I just uh set up a it's called rewilding I have a rewilding course and it's a 72-hour course where we create scarcity and you know I have people show up and through this experience training they lose their shoes they actually have to ground themselves to Earth we have fireside chats like we actually talk to each other interpersonally in front of each other we tell our vulnerabilities to each other some woo-woo [ __ ] of just getting back to basics like basic Primal [ __ ] I have an interesting analogy on this topic um especially as it as it refers to like hunting and Trauma Native American culture this is not mine Tom Spooner of warrior heart taught me this and they do this as a as a part of their uh tradition in helping veterans kind of unfuck their lives I mean most of these guys are addicted to something and they need comprehensive inpatient care one of the things Native Americans used to do when they came back from Battle a warrior would get in front of the tribe Fireside and communicate the things that took place and if I if this if this cup of water um was an example of my capacity for trauma then how much trauma can I hold before it spills and what's the consequence of spilling is it mental health is it I'm not as good as a warrior as I could be um what happens well in Native American culture a warrior that comes back is sharing the burden so everybody's got a cup all the women all the kids the Braves and I'm pouring a little bit of that trauma into their cup when Americans get back from War when Americans get through trauma how do they share that burden they don't they keep it in their [ __ ] heads and so they fall apart because they have nobody to share that burden with which is one of the reasons why I think podcasts are so important when you hold something in your head that you have no explanation for your mind creates taxing and burden assumptions opinions that are not healthy when you talk out loud about it and you get perspective from another human being you have a way to weigh this but we also are sharing the burden I mean me and [ __ ] Andy stump talked on a podcast on cleared hot about killing kids in combat where we actually had to take what we thought I mean it's hard to to gauge the age a younger man's life In the Heat of combat that picked up an AK-47 I mean me and Kevin Owens standing on a rooftop I he winds up shooting him while he's running towards a checkpoint we gave warning shots we gave all this um all these tactics to mitigate risk to his life but at the end of the day he punched the ticket and it was either our guys at the checkpoint or we could live with that burden for the rest of our lives and we did it we had to do what we had to do now if I had that in my head how would that weigh on me I [ __ ] killed a kid man I [ __ ] up I [ __ ] killed a kid but the reality is I was propelled into war and when me and Andy talked about it it felt [ __ ] good because I shared a little bit of that burden and he was able to relate because he had the same [ __ ] story the story he shared he had never said out loud ever it was always been in his head after the podcast we talked about he's like dude that helped I don't know why but talking about it helped and that's the benefit I think of podcasts it's the benefit of sharing this burden and Trauma and most certainly this and the virtuing of what we want to communicate because we want people to perceive us a certain way versus what lies in this cup and what needs to be talked about are two different things yeah for people just listening you just picked up your phone to indicate social media yeah I I think what you're you're on to is dead right and I think that's probably why the Native Americans did it and it's probably when when you're saying that it helped you and it helped Andy it's probably something we're all missing we we really don't have those kind of discussions anymore about the things that bother us everybody internalizes and the kind of community communication you do on social media you're right it's like a virtue signaling or it's kind of it's [ __ ] like you read these verbose passages that people leave on their Instagram pictures and it's always self-aggrandizing and of course yeah and it's the opposite it has the opposite effect it's not cathartic at all it doesn't help you because there's no I think we have to do that kind of [ __ ] one-on-one too people have to be there with you they have to feel it with you yeah that's um I've realized that over time podcasting myself um I I host Black Raffles podcast and we fly guys in and some of these guys want to do it online or virtually yeah and it's never the same it's never the same it's never the same I need the intimacy of talking yeah I've really figured that out big time during the pandemic there was a point in time where you know a lot of people were very apprehensive about doing the podcast and I was like okay that's fine but this is the only way we're going to do it either you do it this way or you don't you know you could be on in a couple of years when the dust settles but yeah you know like I can't it's not first of all I'm not going to stop talking to people and we're just going to take as many precautions as we can especially once we realize what it actually was and because in the beginning everybody thought everyone was going to die and then once it got to this point where like you know I know enough people that have gotten it and I I don't think it's that but I think there's ways to mitigate these risks and we start testing every day but there were still a lot of people that didn't want to do it they're like I can only do it remotely I'm like well see in a couple years I don't know what to tell you I have to be in front of you so it's not we're not really going gonna do a podcast unless you're right here because the ones that I did online I did a few of those Zoom ones like people they're they're not connecting with you there's a delay yeah it sucks it's all [ __ ] up sucks then and sometimes people do them without headphones on which is even worse because they can't hear when you're talking because they only hear when they're talking because the microphone kind of cuts out the other volume yeah sucks well there's I mean the as my company developed and we started doing more and more I kind of realized it's not about preparedness as much as it is about community and when I started seeing people come together like I would do a preparedness seminar I'm doing one at Andy's places Black Rifle um next month when when you get 120 people in the room and they hear you talk about the thing and then they Network and people start talking it's what they're missing yeah and and like I just ran a resilience Rendezvous a resilience it we have this experience thing the resilience Rendezvous was we had Brian Peters an NFL pro football player who came in did Cole plunge hot sauna we talked about breath work all that stuff we did a resilience block with me uh we bring in all these experts uh these two ultra marathoners and these are hard skills these are things they're learning as tactics what I've what I've reflected on that experience with these students is it wasn't even about that as the benefit as much as it was what we call breaking bread sitting around I hired a chef from Park City for uh Chef Courtney John Courtney and he he's doing these classes on cooking elk cooking venison food preparation and then we share that meal together we break bread and we're having conversations about our families and our kids and that's when we found profound purpose and built resilience in each other so walking away going that's the reset button we all need it's like pulling the Nintendo cartridge out of the Nintendo and blowing all the dust out and putting the [ __ ] back in you get a reset and most people because they're so Tethered to this [ __ ] phone they're not doing that which is leading to a mental health crisis which Mental Health crisis and statistics isn't just the things we see the one in five is diagnosed it's the [ __ ] we're not paying attention to the fentanyl uh uh systemic issue isn't just fentanyl that's a mental health crisis a hundred ten thousand people in 2022 107 000 in 2021 and then broke an exponential record from 20 to 21. that's not just Drugs That's people missing purpose missing connection and falling the [ __ ] apart homelessness crime all these things could be attributed to that absolutely and I think uh I think he nailed it when you said that one of the things you're doing with this preparedness things you're you're You're Building A Tribe and you're you're providing Community for people which is so essential it's so essential it's missing for most people's lives and a lot of people have some form of it with whatever their occupation is but a lot of times that's kind of a [ __ ] form it is you're wearing [ __ ] clothes and you're talking a [ __ ] language and you know and it's not it's not satisfying it's and it's also you're not going through the sort of real live things that I think the human mind is conditioned to overwhelm or to overcome and adapt to I think those things are like inherent to The Human Condition and it's a part of being a a an adult human being is to have those skills and then the ability to get through difficult things together you Bond through that and I think without that bond without that that camaraderie in that Community people feel very lost and I think it's a big part of what's wrong with our culture today and if someone can sign up for something like your course or Tim Kennedy's course or Jiu Jitsu class or [ __ ] anything just do something where you get together with like-minded people and you struggle together you overcome together you do stuff together you communicate about the the lessons that you've learned through those things and what it's meant to you and how it's improved your life it's gigantic you know and it's the difference between the people that have that in their life and the people that don't have in their life it's so huge it's it's it's an Untold aspect of being a person yeah Sebastian younger his book tribe talks a lot about these issues in society I I found it um very interesting that we we bought into the idea that social media was going to bring us together and certainly it has its benefits and it does some good things but that's for people who have discipline who have control um this dude I follow on YouTube maybe you ever heard of the dude Hamza yeah on Allah he does this video on on these kids uh addicted to porn if you if you it has the outlines and and put in my narrative in it if you think about it a kid who goes on a porn site and has access to unlimited women um it's virtual but chemically that's what's happening as a process right so what incentive does he have after being with all these women in a virtual reality does he have to keep himself in shape to be squared away to be I don't know worthy of The Woman in real life right so all the chemistry we're losing through the phone because it's a virtual reality D incentivizes us to to get up off her ass to do things to be good in real reality so if you go to the gym why do you go to the gym I went to the gym because I wanted to be the best military asset I could be but I wanted to be attractive to women but if you are jerking off constantly off your phone then how the [ __ ] are you going to do that you have no incentive you're like I'm a rock star and and so that's that's the problem I had a I had an ex-girlfriend tell me once she said I have thousands of friends I said you have like a couple friends what are you talking about well I have a large following and these people are my friends those people are your [ __ ] following they're not your friends they're people that you have a loose connection with digitally that's it yeah those are your friends I mean maybe some of them can become your friends I mean maybe you have like-minded people that follow you and you could get together with those folks in real life and become friends yeah we're [ __ ] friends yeah it's it's a it's so alien and it's so uh it's such a a part of everyone's life and we don't know how to manage it and it's all new so there's no real guidelines there's only people that have [ __ ] it up or psychologists or people that really understand human behavior that have looked at it and say hey here's all the pitfalls and really being connected to this on a daily basis but I know some really intelligent people whose lives have fallen apart because they spend too much time reading comments on Twitter and getting in arguments with people and dealing with nonsense and creating problems for themselves and and getting involved in these back and forth that just like they're constantly checking to see what other people have to say about it like what are you doing man you're just you're giving yourself a weight to carry that's an unnecessary weight that doesn't make you stronger it's like there's nothing good about that nothing yeah nothing good about it I'm interested to see how it how it pans out over the course of another generation because you know my my kids I have twins boy and a girl and how old are they three three years five months and my son he he can navigate a phone oh yeah like with his fat fingers just like lump it through it and just crazy and and he's so in tune with it but he sees daddy doing it you know he sees Daddy picking up his phone and you can't get away with from that but you could certainly regulate it I mean you could certainly it uh you could certainly be disciplined about the interaction with it but at the end of the day the day they have to have the discipline in themselves yeah to be able to do that right because one day it's just going to be them and the same thing I know friends former employees people whose lives have come apart unraveled because of social media sliding into DMS consumed with it five hours a day like what the [ __ ] are you doing yeah and and and people so here's here's what I've recognized too I don't have an addictive personality I've never been addicted to anything like I like whiskey when I like whiskey but I don't drink it every night um I I've never been addicted really to any anything and I see people who I know how who have addictive personalities their new addiction and social media and so they they can't put it down because it's the drug it's the dopamine they need they Feen for it well they don't they don't have good control of their Consciousness they don't have good control their intention and their mindset it's it's a real problem with people because the thing that's compelling to them they can't avoid the thing that's compelling is what are people saying what are they doing what are what are they commenting what are they posting I gotta read it I gotta respond I gotta go back and forth I have to have the best response after this after that and then there's people that are addicted to tick tock they're just scrolling like mindlessly like robots watching things happen and they're not doing anything and you've lost hours of your time you've absorb nothing you've got no information there's no no net benefit to what you've done and it's it's everywhere it's everywhere so many people are doing it it's wild to watch my kids like with Tick Tock watch them stare at their phones going through yeah I'm like hey that's the devil put that [ __ ] stupid thing down yeah like what do you what are you getting out of that you're not getting anything out of that but what's amazing is what's it's really amazing watch their ability to to navigate through computers and navigate through cell phones like my 12 year old can [ __ ] edit a video with their thumbs in like seconds I don't even know what she's doing she's moving [ __ ] around and putting it I go how do you know how to do that like how are you doing that's so good yeah we I think uh I can't remember who said this somebody was talking to me about it a Clint trial a buddy of mine was telling me about how we grew up analog right we grew up in an analog Society where the things that we did were were all very instinctive and we were outside drinking out of garden hoses [ __ ] running the streets and that kind of upbringing lends itself to being able to adapt adaptation is the number one characteristic of survivability it's adaptation being to able to adapt on the Fly that top 10 percent in that 1080 10 rule you want to be in the top 10 percent you got to be able to adapt but if you're only adaptation is navigating technology then how is that going to work out for you in the future and if you look at generations and 20-year Cycles we are the last generation to live analog and not grow up with it at our disposal yeah so it means we are typically emotionally charged by things that we see or read we typically don't take things out of context because we want to know in the weeds what the actual truth is but there's there are posts on social media uh this dude Sean King and I probably I don't know if that's going to work out for me calling them out on on a podcast but Sean King um everything I've seen about what he puts out in in the BLM movement was being charged with emotionally getting people to go to essentially war in the streets and protest and those protests turned turned into something more violent and that is a problem when you have a mass of people who are following the herd and you just take something they wrote and it's potentially taken out of context like hit the streets and burn it down maybe you didn't mean literally burn it down but they're literally burning it down I mean the mayor of um Atlanta Georgia who's African-American who was like you guys are burning down the city and 50 of the businesses in the city are black why are you doing this and that's my fear for the future of this especially leading up to the next election cycle because we are in a world of hurt the the country is getting more divisive but it's also we're becoming more and more puppets of the algorithm and people don't get it and they're not Awakening and I'm afraid when you when it comes to suppressing the voices that are being moderate and and reasonable like mine like yours what does that look like when you know you're six months out from an election and then the only voice is Amplified or the voices that are inciting violence in the streets um they certain I was suppressed because I'm telling people protect your family be better prepared and other voices were Amplified that were saying hit the streets and burn it down well there was a narrative that was being discussed that you would hear especially amongst left-wing media there was a narrative of uh white supremacy militias I mean by the one point in time said the white supremacy is the biggest threat that we have in our country I'm like what where is it what are you talking about yes sure there's white supremacy there's there's all there's there's morons in every [ __ ] racial group every uh ethnic group every economic group there's morons everywhere there's there's idiots everywhere there's all sorts of problems in this country but to say that that's our number one problem dude we got a lot of [ __ ] problems we got a lot of problems we we one of the problems is our [ __ ] government we have giant problems with people that are absolutely full of [ __ ] that are running this country we have problems with algorithms but we also have problems with Bad actors that are utilizing social media with troll accounts I'm sure we're doing it over here but most certainly it's being done to us by Russia by China by Iran I'm sure there's many many countries that have fake accounts that are constantly engaging with people and pushing narratives to more and more extreme levels to to minimize our faith in democracy to get us to to hate each other to keep us at each other's throats and that's one of the things that they do to keep America weak keep us distracted and it's it's not just the government that's doing that it's other governments that are doing that it's special interest groups are doing that I'm sure it's both parties are involved in this and and if you're online and you're engaging in this [ __ ] you're susceptible you know yeah it's the algorithm but it's also [ __ ] calculated it's human beings that are calculated they've recognized this has an influence on people and they're utilizing it because it's a political tool because it's a tool for getting their agenda through and if part of that tool is to demonize someone who's preparing for a potential disaster and by saying that you're going to equate that to white supremacy or hate or militia it's it's [ __ ] Madness and the fact there's no recourse you can't do anything about it and that Shopify still stands by their action yeah like you guys are out of your [ __ ] minds like that doesn't make any sense and it's going to make people very reluctant very hesitant to use your platform because I don't want to use it now if I if I hear that you guys are like when I've heard that PayPal was gonna take 25 it was like 2500 bucks what was like the the fine that they were going to have for Jamie for disinformation Nation what they term disinformation they're going to find you you're just going to steal your money yeah like what are you going to do with it and who the [ __ ] are you to say what's misinformation and disinformation the fact Checkers those [ __ ] fact Checkers are wrong all the time they're they're biased all the time PayPal is also a company that froze our account with sixty thousand dollars and they they return that account the the funds in that account but they kicked us off the platform as well PayPal eliminated us for what of PayPal's misinformation finds Sparks backlash so here it was platform user agreements really attention drawing document however early this October PayPal ignited online discussion with its newest policy What attracted criticism was an unusual provision stating that the company would find its customers an astounding two thousand five hundred dollars in Damages for spreading misinformation the provision prohibits customers from using PayPal services for activities identified by it as sending posting or publication of any messages contact or materials promoting misinformation well the problem with that is what they used to call misinformation now gets discussed openly as being truth like the the lab leak uh hypothesis when it comes to covet this is like [ __ ] tons of accredited scientists that are saying this is most likely a genetically altered some some sort of a virus that's been manipulated in a laboratory it's much more likely that it came out of that laboratory which just so happens to be in the exact area where the [ __ ] virus emerged maybe it's not misinformation but if PayPal decides that it is because at one point in time the government was promoting that it was misinformation the NIH was saying that it was and I'm sure you saw when Rand Paul was was grilling fouchy on whether or not they did do a gain of function research and whether or not they funded it and he's like playing all these words with with playing all these games with words and with truth you could get fined you could get removed from the platform yeah these the the big problem is most of these companies aren't just companies they're entities and Action Arms for political um agenda so if you have a company that's ran by a hedge fund a venture capitalist um somebody who has massive influence the Soros play you have these companies that are changing language narrative and doing whatever they want PayPal literally is taking accounts and they go um we don't like what you're putting out we don't like the trade it's a risk to us we're freezing your account they did this to me what did they say to you when they when they if they're gonna freeze your sixty thousand dollars and they're gonna remove you from the platform you can't use PayPal anymore what are they saying they said that every that the actions go against and violate their policy and they didn't tell me what the policy was so what it was was uh when that was put out and it was whether it was FBI telling Facebook and then putting blast to all these companies the Shopify the connection through PayPal because it was e-commerce and PayPal was a checkout option got canceled and then the e-commerce connection from it's called um it's basically the the bank channel from the bank to your e-commerce platform and Shopify it's a plug-in that got deactivated as well uh so woocommerce um Shopify PayPal canceled us and they said um it your it goes against our policy but we won't tell you what the policy is originally PayPal canceled me for a period of time because they said I was selling a knife we don't sell knives and it was it we did a picture of a knife this the knife industry knows this this is freaking crazy uh Joe uh Josh Smith from Montana Knife Company deals with us all the time if you have a knife and you advertise it on Facebook that's like advertising a gun essentially they will take you down and they will cancel you suppress you because it's a bucket knife it's a pocket knife and a hunting knife but they won't delineate between that and like a weapon of War assault knife whatever they want to call it right so they have these stipulations where they say um if you are violating our terms we don't have to tell you what term you're violating and so the problem with that is not just that they're canceling you the problem with it also is there's not any onboarding options when you don't have options in the e-commerce because everybody's on the damn platform then how are you going to work that way like Facebook book everybody's like well screw Facebook like yeah I would I want to say screw Facebook but I'm a small business entrepreneur trying to drive sales and conversion through a market yeah and and there's billions of people on Facebook sure I can operate in an echo chamber in Heber City Utah but I would like the opportunity to grow my business like everybody else on this platform and and do good but can't do it because I we get we get canceled and I think a lot of it too was it just a knife I mean was it what was just a knife that's it was a picture of a knife for for for hunting that originally got us flagged was it a knife you reviewed or no it was a knife it was a it was a knife that we showed a picture of with a with a picture of a knife in a log and it the the knife was sticking in a log and it was talking about knives and survival like best options for survival knife so it was just like an article article they would nothing I have never done anything extreme because I'm not a [ __ ] play the game like I know psyops I know propaganda I know what to say what not to say and I play the [ __ ] game and even when playing by the rules because we fit in a category that they don't like we get [ __ ] suppressed it's just amazing that they can just arbitrarily decide to remove you from the platform when if you they they had an objective look at what you do they'd go oh this is not bad yeah this is I mean it doesn't make sense to me I mean it seems like something that you'd want everybody to know a little bit of yeah well anything the Firearms industry as a whole deals with this yeah if you have I mean there's a big Bank of America was involved this I don't I might be mistaken here but Bank of America and a few other Banks said hey if you're doing any transaction with guns we're going to cancel you I have my FFL sot I have the ability to move transfer guns buy guns sell guns and if I work with certain Banks and do certain things like e-commerce platforms they'll shut you down like you can't own and operate a gun business under Shopify but my intent was like oh we're not going to do that and so we'll we'll do firearms training oh well that that's that might be a problem like so being responsible by teaching people responsible ownership and handling is a problem now so a service industry Product Industry and Firearms anything is bad big Commerce came in they're like we don't care what you do as long as it's moral and ethical we'll support you and that's that's the only reason we're open today as a business well we're very fortunate that there are companies like that that do exist but it's very disturbing to me that a company like PayPal would just decide arbitrarily that someone who teaches preparedness is is a danger or some company that they don't want on their platform it's yeah and they just arbitrarily remove you yeah and not even like have a a hearing on it anything from sort of a discussion well I'm such a small player and it's easier to blanket statement and and execute than it is that the look into the details because there's no appeals process there's no appeals process like Shopify I love like Shopify had a team because we we were in the top whatever percent of businesses doing a lot of Revenue we had a team that we moderated with to allow us to kind of optimize the experience for the end user we wanted to plug in different things it was a great user experience as an entrepreneur when they off-boarded us we called the team was like dude what what's going on and like we can't talk to you guys what do you mean you can't talk to us like what's going on like read the email the email said you have 48 hours to pull your data it's going to be erased forever and we're like so do you think they were contacted 100 I I think they're contacted by the FBI on the back end and uh Jamie I don't know if you could do this but the if you even Google Mike Glover I don't know militia or Mike Glover domestic terrorist this this organization wrote this 20-page article and USA Today republished the article what organization um it's it it's um uh the Capitol Hill or some [ __ ] like that the capitalist or something so nobody heard of this reporter leftist for sure like extremist extreme extreme extreme everything in the article is about like this guy is a is a CIA guy and he's he's starting his own militia and he's anti-government and all these things things that I've never said 20 Pages the problem was not that article because people write things in Echo Chambers all the time the problem was National media was like this is spot on let's let's let's blow this up so they took the article using that as proof without proof without proof someone could just make these negative assertions about you yep wow I mean in the article they call me a white supremacist which is like I I have always identified I'm very proud of my Korean Heritage and I identify as a a an American first but I'm Asian American I mean I have Korean in me from the Korean War I mean my dad was in the Army imagine the cover-up for being a white Supreme Court I'm Asian from the waist down man did you find the article it's the capital whatever they might have took it down that's that would be interesting if it's not up that would be interesting if it's already the damage is mine and then just remove it like Mike Glover CIA cuck or something like that duh what a [ __ ] world we live in that that that week so I so I did a YouTube video on my field Craft Survival Channel on YouTube and I said I'm not a domestic terrorist I said I'm not a domestic terrorist I never did anything I've I'm loyal to this country I serve this country honorably and I have I have uh every means to do good in this world and I'm going to do that nobody has to worry about anything like I'm basically getting ahead of NPR because this [ __ ] everybody's hitting me up like oh [ __ ] and I'm afraid I'm we're gonna lose business because of this so I put this out into the world and in the in the YouTube video I said I've even worked with FBI and and I said that because I'm like I've cooperated like American contingency had some Nut Job take a picture of an FBI guy's uh ID or a business card and when he did that I was like well I have this girl named Heather who's a uh former West pointer intelligence officer background super squared away I said to Heather Heather what do I do what do I need to do here she goes you need to at least at a minimum write an email to the FBI agent because you got a picture on it that his information was posted on a public forum on americancontendency.com and nothing was done but that picture was taken down and we need to report that so we did that that was the level of my cooperation so on one side I have people calling me a domestic terrorist on the other side I have people sliding in my DMs calling me a bootlicker they're saying oh you're a you're a cut for the FBI you work for them you're a CIA operative you're a deep State actor like what the [ __ ] and I I'm somebody who who I like I have a CBD [ __ ] company like we do CBD products because I believe in cannabinoids and like I'm a hippie and I don't give a [ __ ] about the fringes I'm a moderate I operate somewhere in the middle and on one side I'm a right-wing extremist on the other side I'm a boot licker and I'm like I'm somewhere in the middle I guess exactly where I need to be but that's the world we [ __ ] live in that is the world we live in and that's one one of the reasons why free speech is so important because if a person like you can be labeled without any recourse if you can be removed from social media they could shape a narrative about you and you can't say anything about it and they can decide that in a more extreme time you could be removed from all these social media platforms and it would completely limit your ability to defend yourself if I didn't have uh my buddy owl who's my Facebook contact he wasn't doing anything like in the underground he was actually acting as an active advocate for veterans because that's part of his job at Facebook but he was moderating my Facebook account which is Tethered to Instagram I did a post at Deseret on a hunt 20 plus thousand likes all this all this engagement because I killed a beautiful 6x6 uh bull bull elk my account gets deleted I call out on my Facebook my Instagram code Instagram got deleted because you posted a picture of an adult you killed a picture of an elk how is that real so I have so I have a Sig rifle yes sitting in front of the in front of the uh on the elk six by six I'm I'm not showboating the death I I say basically I'm humbled by the opportunity to hunt this beautiful animal and I'm thankful because this animal which it did it is is feeding my family for the next year and I'm appreciative of that and I want to be a good Advocate as a hunter for The Hunting Community and for people who look at it as something bad I want them to think it's good and and so my position on it is very moderate I don't want to be extreme about it because it's not extreme for me my entire account gets deleted I text and call out I'm like dude what's going on he looks at it on the back end he says you have 17 strikes on your account I said okay what does that mean well you have 17 reports of everything from extremism to um animal cruelty and I've never seen an account still up with 17. it's probably just living post to post and and me moderating it and activating it uh each step at a time so the only reason I have an existing Instagram account is because I have somebody on the back end who goes what is going on this is ludicrous like reenact the account and they reenact the account because on the back end it basically says I have all this history of extremism because the association with the FBI thing and so if now my my contact is gone because he got laid off in the metaverse um now I have no advocate so the big problem you know me it's like my business I'm doing this thing as a business and we will adapt but this this animal cruelty thing how does that how's that possible that that is a strike against your account when you're hunting because there's so many hunting accounts if you have a culmination of multiple um strikes against you then any infringement um against their policy like if one person reports it and you have zero strikes no issues if you have 10 strikes and 50 people report it potentially not an issue they'll just look at it re-examine it in India by the way um there's a cultural difference where they look at it and go this dude's a a war Monger he's an this is animal cruelty obviously standing with a dead animal um that that would be no issue but because I have 17 strikes and I have a track record in history including the label of being a domestic terrorist Al sent me the screen capture where they're like we can't free up his American contingency account because he's been labeled a domestic terrorist and we can't free up domestic terrorist accounts and you've been labeled this by just some random person who decides to say that but with no evidence at all likely the Federal Bureau of Investigation through this one [ __ ] this one analyst who probably still works for the FBI wild yeah and and and and just so people understand I am not anti-government either I work for the government I'm anti-stupid people because people are dumb and I don't think this is a mass conspiracy against Mike Glover or Phil Craft Survival American contingency I think it's just dumb people doing dumb things the problem like you said is there's no consequence yeah so they can continue to do it and yeah what what will I be out yeah I'll be out of business on social well it's a private business anyway you're on the platform woe is me because now I can't operate in the platform we'll adapt what I'm really concerned with is when I don't know in a year when we're getting ready for the next elections they amplify the wrong and then everybody who has an opinion in the right they turn down and then we're at you know we're at a civil war well that's most certainly the case when you have one political group or one political leaning that's in control of social media which up until Elon bought Twitter was 100 percent the case if you didn't go by this very narrow narrative then you were ostracized Your Shadow band they lied they said there is no Shadow Banning and then one of the more interesting things about what elon's done is releasing these Twitter files where you're going to get the chance to peer into the wiring under the board you see look look these not only did they Shadow ban people but they did it at the behest of the federal government and they looked up accounts and they they did all this [ __ ] to try to minimize certain narratives that they felt were bad for their party you know it's covering it nobody's code but he's covering that nobody's covering it national media I mean there's email traffic that says do not push this yeah at all which is crazy it's insane it's such an important thing and by the way if it was going the other way if it was going right if there was a right-wing person in the White House and this was all this stuff was being owned by the right and all the social media companies were promoting right-wing agendas one hundred percent you would hear that in the New York Times in the Washington Post they would be up in Outrage they would be up in arms on CNN they'd be up in arms on MSNBC they'd be talking about it every day it would just be like the Russia collusion where that's all you heard all day all night yeah I hope I hope we have you know conservatives across the border behind because they never focused on media and telling the story or influencing culture and the problem is now is most of the narrative is controlled by leftists and I'm not saying left because people in my circle who are friends of mine are left I'm talking leftists the fringes of of society they control the narrative and now for the first time I think there are groups a daily wire Fox Nation Rumble these guys are coming and they're trying to have influence but it's one it's like one step at a time yeah and is it too late is the question and and the answer might be yeah it might be too late to influence the masses because all the kids growing up now are all [ __ ] up I don't think it's too late but it's definitely they're behind the curve super behind yeah I mean I it pisses me off because I know a lot of amazing wealthy conservatives who are middle of the road and they play the game like they [ __ ] it's weird like they'll play the game because they don't want their [ __ ] affected but they won't stand up for the right and start the platform they won't invest in the thing that's going to help this country get off its feet and redefine The Narrative if we just simply redefine it I think we'll be in a better place in a better position but right now it's like we're at War yeah well we we need open communication and we need to respect people's opinions and beliefs and you need to let those people discuss whatever their thoughts and beliefs are so you can find out whether or not you agree with it like let the best most well-formed argument win and that's not that's not what's been going on with social media for the past few years yeah Instagram for me is [ __ ] gross um I do like it because I now that I have the discipline I'll go on to this short form um social media platforms and get what I want and then I'm [ __ ] out and then I roll out yeah I'm a big YouTuber as far as like I like YouTube it's my Google search for learning things and they've gotten better I think at at suppression there used to be a big issues I do gun education content all the time and haven't seen the issues that a lot of people have or originally complained about but there are certain platforms and certain people that just drive this [ __ ] in the dirt and and they're willing to die on that Hill I mean they just will continue to do it and it's scary I mean my I forgot I had a tick tock and I was looking into some [ __ ] because I was like oh [ __ ] I think I'm gonna set up a tick tock years ago because everybody thought it was going to be the next thing for education and all the stuff but then all this stuff came out I'm like I don't want that Tick Tock and I logged into it last night and looked at my account and all the posts were flagged and deleted because they violated the terms because anything with Firearms even though all my posts are on education of that um they're all deemed as being bad strange world we live in Mike Glover strange strange world listen man it's been a pleasure having you on it's very nice to meet you and I appreciate your content appreciate all the things you've done tell people how to find you on social media find your website yeah feelcraftsurvival.com for everything uh get the book prepared coming out June 6th um and then we're all over social American contingency.com as well all right brother well thank you very much thanks for being here thanks man all right bye everybody [Music] [Music] [Applause] foreign [Music]