I teach people uh to be intentional and not allow the world to determine your mood or your attitude you get to determine that yeah you know so people have this negative bias about all this stuff going wrong and they'll get in a bad mood y before they even walk out the door you know oh my God I got to go do this today oh I'm going to bump into that person you know they already set it up yeah but you can actually design vibrationally your day you're weak you're life yeah so often times people get into the Law of Attraction but they would separate themselves from what they were trying to attract it's out there yes I'm going to attract that to me yes oh this is so important for people to hear I just want to highlight double click on what you're saying yeah yeah people want to attracted to them but they're saying they don't have it uhhuh and that I'm separate from it I'm separate from it but when you realize the law of attraction is is a linguish to convenience for feeling that it's already happening welcome I'm Alysa nobriga your host of the healing and human potential podcast a place for you to discover the multi-dimensionality of what it means to be human we'll be exploring the intersection between ancient wisdom and modern everyday life really diving deep into the art of human potential through the lens of psychology spirituality and coaching let's let the magic [Music] unfold today we're going to dive into the four stages of Consciousness and how to shift your perspective to open to a whole new level of freedom and so in this episode we'll break down why what's meant for you will never pass you share practical exercises to enhance your ability to manifest and unpack how money is a spiritual path I have the honor of sitting down with Michael Beth who is one of Oprah's Super Soul Sunday 100 group he's also a best-selling author an influential spiritual voice and the founder of Agape Center he's literally transformed the lives of of millions globally and today he's here to share his wisdom knowledge and insights to support you I just want to start off with talking about one of the most profound things I think I've ever heard and it came from you where you talk about your four stages of Spiritual Awakening four levels of consciousness it blew my mind it's so clear I find it so helpful and I would love if you're open just to sharing a bit about what the four stages are and so that people can get a context for how this looks in the Practical absolutely those particular stages emerged I was a faculty at a metaphysical University and one of the students this years ago raised her hand and said there seems to be a contradiction in the book I said what do you mean she says um one part of the book it says you can visualize and you can have it all other part of the book talks about surrender uhuh she said I said it's not a contradiction and I walked up to the blackboard at the time and I said they're not contradictions they're stages I said the first stage is the victim stage where we think something is happening to us that's called to us I say the second stage is the manifestor stage it's called bias where you learn to use your mind properly your thoughts your conversations etc etc visualization to actually begin to create the kind of world you want to live in the third stage is through us where once you've done a tremendous amount of work on stage two your subconscious changes and you find yourself in the zone more you find yourself in flow motion you know it's a flow that happens so something is operating through you and the fourth stage is a state of being where it's operating as you so it just came out of my mouth yeah you know the four stages like that and then I began to um when I started my spiritual center in 1986 for that I I Ed the stages to birth the vision process uh now those two stages are delineated stage one and two is is from your personality stage three and four is your soul your Super Soul self your real self operating and so we you know we don't de demonize the personality that's right it's a wonderful lamp shade it's a wonderful but the Super Soul self the real self is unadulterated by time or space it's Untouched by it and that begins to take over so those those were the the four how it came into being and of course it's been uh you know I've added more to it I have a book on it and and it keeps redefining itself at higher and higher levels but many people such as yourself will point back to those stages and say that changed my life it gave me a framework yes to work from yeah it's really so clean and I feel like more people would be confused used around through you and as you can you share a little bit of the distinction for just to help people land that that absolutely um through you you're you're a channel you're a vehicle you're an opening you're a place through which Life by whatever name you choose to call it is expressing through you uh people have shared about being in the zone or they may have been planning something and then something takes them over takes them beyond their plans yeah you know and then that's closely aligned with the state of being where the line of demarcation dissolves and you realize you're it there's no other you are an emanation of the only life that there is that sense of Separation dissolves yeah so some people have moments of that you know with suddenly they realize they're one with that tree they're one with the individual in front of them they're one with all the life they're one with Earth there's no separation yeah you know as within so without it's all the same yeah so for for many people that doesn't last a long time but once you see it you can't unsee it yeah changes your whole trajectory and intention it's everything yeah yeah and I and I you know there's I would say no judgment in any of the stages no no and they're not linear yes exactly you know it's like in one area of your life you can probably you may feel victimized in another area of your life you may feel like a master yeah you know and so it's not it's not it's a dance yeah I'm even you know even the story or the feeling of victimization could come up and it could be stage four where it's not me feeling it it's Just Energy expressing oh yes so there's I now just as we're talking I'm seeing kind of the connection with those well basically the mystery of our being beyond the conditioned self is able to witness all of that yeah you can actually see sadness you can see regret you can see all all of it and not try to interfere with it and through observation of it you know anything we observe changes on a subatomic level just based on observation it begins to change yeah you know but you're not identifying with it by trying to get rid of it that's right or trying to enhance it that's right I always say that if you want to get stuck with something judge it and identify with it absolutely so then the opposite is true absolutely I remember when I was just to give a story around stage three and four kind of vacillating in Consciousness between those two I was designing my certification program so I train and teach coaches and I have never felt more spiritual support for anything in my life there was so much light on my back pouring through and that was more the surrender letting go and then there was moments of like the no separation and yet I was fully showing up in my Humanity fully showing up in the the co-creation of it the I mean co-creation would be stage three you know beyond that was just it all happening yes and that this where the surrender came and it was so enl in and I've been wanting people to talk about and we'll talk about this in a moment but awakened doing really not getting caught you know honoring both but one other frame that I found really helpful and you've probably heard of this is content and context and so it's what it's all what I teach yeah exactly absolutely exactly and for people that are new to this framework it's like the the analogy is like the context is the projector is the screen is awareness our spiritual nature whereas the content is the images the stories and a lot of people get so caught in the sensations the stories the identifications that we lose the context the the projector the screen right and when we realize that that's real freedom is waking up to the context that there's a freedom here no matter what thoughts what Sensations underneath all of that the stressful beliefs and emotional reactions everything there's peace and it doesn't matter if it's a a sad movie or a happy movie The Peace underneath it is always accessible by accepting whatever it is it leads us to opening to that acceptance and embracing yes without pushing away I I often use the analogy of the ocean which is primarily water and then the that's the context content plankin seaweed fish human pollution boats and the moment you when a person begins to realize as you were just talking that they're not the content they're actually the context that's the beginning of Awakening yeah and so you don't deny that there content there yes but the content is passing through your Consciousness which is context yeah yeah it's so helpful it's like when I'm not identified as the wave I wake up to the entire ocean and that's the freedom and that's available for anyone in any moment absolutely I'm so I love that and so I'm so happy that thank you for that framework I think it's so profound and powerful and I really appreciate a very grounded spirituality where most people listening are having families they have dreams and visions and they're very much in the world and wanting to live a deep TR truthful you know clear conscious life and so back in the day I started writing a book called Stillness and stilettos having a foot in both world it's like honoring both equally the form and formless and for me what's been true is when I pendulum I used to do a lot of Silent retreats and then I pendulum I wanted to know my my I wanted to sink my teeth into all of life and know myself as all of it which is more stage four I didn't have that concept yet but then I swung pretty hard into business and kind of got lost a little bit in some of the Illusions which I think is part of combing through I'm curious if you've had any experience with that pendulum of you know kind of the moving from stage three to four and if there are common things or anything you can speak to that to kind of shed more light on cuz you know one of the bigger things is like for is is questioning who I think I am letting the less I identify with the more I am and so it's more of a removal right and which is what spiritual growth is exactly elimination of something is not adding anything to ourselves yes yeah and yet it can get real sometimes you know like managing a team of 48 or you know being a parent on all the things all of that all of that uh marriage parenting grandparenting running a business being an entrepreneur being in that world but to be of a higher frequency yeah now I remember oh years ago when I woke up I had my first Awakening as an adult I was so ephemeral I was so out of the body so to speak yeah that I was like human beings fascinated me it was like wow they're chasing money and they're chasing all these things that are not that important and and I was way out I was unintegrated yes you know where I was having a direct experience of was real yeah but I was in the process of integrating and embodying yes and so then one day I was sitting in my living room and I need some money yeah you know yeah and uh and I said what do you want me to do like that uhhuh and the phone rang and this woman called me and she said we went to high school together I saw your picture in the in the annual your phone number was under it God told me to call you that you could help me who I hadn't seen her since high school and I said really so we began to counsel she was telling me deep dark secrets of her life I would pray for her she started referring people to me people were calling and and being around me for healings and things like that this is pre be going to school getting degrees and all that you know I mean metaphysical stuff and one day I saw her in a restaurant I've never seen this person it was saw on the phone yeah and I shouted out her name and she looked at me and she ran away oh because the anonymous voice on the phone was okay to talk to but actually seeing me yeah point being when I said what do you want me to do the the the universe put me into service yes so I would be in service and then money flowed you know money is the shadow of love you can't outrun Your Shadow so when you're really into your love ethic of service money will follow and you'll develop the proper structures in order for that to happen yeah so you're in the world but as a spiritual being having a human Incarnation you have come to radiate to shine to give to contribute you haven't come to get anything there's 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alysen ora.com apply now to see all the details and apply today yeah I think about one of the areas that I was coming through in my life was money because I felt any thing that contracts us can free us if we use it that way like those those points of tension are breadcrumbs to our freedom and so money was a big one and I think culturally through our family lineage our own personal experiences we can and I like talking about money and supporting people and getting free because there's so much unconsciousness around it but to come into alignment with what feels true in our heart based and combing through some of the Illusions and misunderstandings we've inherited right so that we can come into right relationship with money or relationship or whatever the current trigger is right and and it sounds like one of the things that you're saying is that in part of your story is like the surrender could the that's part of the game so it's like when you have a deeper trust in an intelligence that is organizing all of life the planets and the Stars just like your life there's a a deeper level to trust and to take the next step and to do the psychological work to clear the misunderstanding that come up and traumas and all the things you've inherited energetically those code you've inherited from your family and ancestors yeah you get to clear that up yeah and you in in talking about money money is um energy exchange it's currency yeah you know and it's um I I often talk about freeing the promise in the promissary note to circulate you know so it's all about circulation and when there is stagnation then there's an issue you know whenever like we live in a culture where there's a lot of hoarding yeah you know people have a lot of money and it doesn't even circulate yeah it's just like I want to be a billionaire I want to have 10 billion I want to have 180 billion you know but it doesn't circulate that creates an issue you know but when it circulates properly you know then abundance just shows up yeah everywhere it's a reflection of our Consciousness what we're holding right and so to be able to heal some of the Fe Fe based traumas that we've had put on money projected onto money that circulation I guess is a result of it absolutely I I had a client one time he's very wealthy man and um he his desire was to to write a book I mean he was extremely wealthy you know and and um so I said why don't you write a book and he says well my wife doesn't want me to quit my my my business because she's afraid so I said bring your wife here so we sat down and he brought in his portfolio of how much money he has you know he owned all these businesses downtown and buildings and millions and millions of dollars she on the other hand had inherited millions and millions of dollars so together they never had to work a day in their life just interest alone was millions of dollars so I shouldered to her I said would you I said this is a fear that has nothing to do with the money you have you have some kind of fear here around it scarcity yeah you're living in scarcity even though you millions of dollars MH anyway his name was Lloyd uh he never quit his business entrepreneurship he ended up making his transition without doing his heart's desire you know and I I always was fascinated me that he was living a life of scarcity even though his bank account was full of money yeah so scarcity that's a Consciousness that's right has nothing to do with money yeah and there are people around the world who don't have a lot but live in big abundance MH they have their needs met they love their families they have a great time you know they're not sitting on a billion yeah but they have their needs met yeah I mean I know I heard stories like that I'm like yeah but I'd still like to have money I remember at one point and for me when I finally well you live in a western world you need a little money here a little bit right and have a healthy relationship with it and and for me when I found a way to share my gifts being of service doing what I loved that was priceless no one could take that away and I knew the level of value I was offering and that money would just be a mirror to that and so but I also noticed I had to heal the giving and receiving the channel coming in and out around money it was a little bit different work but really helpful to do as an entrepreneur and as a yeah what was what was the which what which one was the challenge the giving or the receiving for me it was around the spending my dad used to be a financial adviser and so I learned to save but unconsciously I thought spending was bad oh you didn't circulate uhuh and so then I was so I had a really look at my my stories of of well for a while I was like oh once I start making money it'll change it didn't you have to actually still do the work you have to go through the fears you have to do it I watch people that say well when I get a certain amount of money I'm going to give to this and I'm going to share with this I said no you're not that's right if you don't develop that habit yes then when you get money you're going to hoard it that's right you're not going to circulate that's right you cuz you got to work with the fear underneath it absolutely and so sometimes and what I love about coaching is that sometimes just starting where you are now even if it's whatever percentage when I give when I'm making more whatever it is it's like let's start with 15 or 10% of giving and that will grow as you make more so that you and as you commit to doing that all the stuff that has blocked you from actually doing it comes up so that then you can clear it to be healed that's right and then now you have muscles you have a muscle that's already built in to share to give to celebrate absolutely yeah and to be compassionate with our Humanity the part that is scared the part that has scarcity we don't need to identify with it it's just a pattern of thinking little baby just rock it so innocent so innocent and one of the things I like to do I call it insourcing insourcing safety to really like be with that misunderstanding or to be with the part that's scared and offer connection from there it's easier to give we we the heart wants expression it wants out your whole soul wants to express yeah that's that's you know your I call it your Super Soul self you know which you're not separated from that wants to know itself as your life it's total frequency is sharing that's right and giving and unfolding and becoming and expressing more and more of itself and when we align with that that's the source then all the things we've inherited from the family tree yeah we become more identified with that which is not traumatized and then it helps heal the part that is traumatized right and you flow that's right that's right I talk about it in my certification program as Essence and ego so Essence embracing ego yes let's talk about the I'm just curious you the qualities of essence how would you define the qualities of essence so people can get a sense well the dominant quality is love you know obviously there's peace peace is not an absence of conflict peace I call it the dynamic of harmonizing good it emanates from your being just like love does you have Beauty you have intelligence you have Harmony and all of these qualities emanate from the Oneness of Love yeah which is a total givingness of itself without any sense of withhold that's conscious of itself that knows itself and wants to know itself as us as unique expressions of it yeah you see and there's that Joy of creation and giving and from stage four it's not even a giving because being it's just is you radiate yeah there's no connection because there's not it's not separate it's it's itself it's absolutely beautiful I'm curious because you've been in the game for a while you know being a spiritual leader and voice in the community what are some of the most common misunderstandings you see people have around spirituality or Spiritual Awakening today I'd probably say that unconsciously people are still like reaching outside of themselves yeah they're using the right language yeah yes but they don't have the music yet uhuh you know so they're still reaching out rather rather than coming into an awareness that what you're looking for is already here you know and you sit with that and and good exercises are just to remember moments in your life where you actually felt peace or you actually felt that all of your needs were met now that felt sense is still active here so if you place your attention there and hang out there for periods of time uh it becomes more than memory you're now activating and remembering a part of your being yeah you know but people still partic particularly in the western world because the the religiosity of the western world has this man God up there with the beard that's calling shots and it reminds people of Santa Claus you know I mean if you're good I'm GNA give you this you know and so it's a kind of an unconscious way that we've been traumatized by religion uh so we're always trying to appease or please this external deity and there's that doesn't exist yeah you know it's pure Spirit Light love everywhere that's conscious and so the idea is to keep having inner awareness that it's already here yeah and it's you yeah and so that that and sneaks in because sometimes I'll I'll tell people um okay close your eyes now I want you to um think about something you you want go into a feeling tone that that is happening okay how many people think um I haven't raised the hand how many people think this is really going to happen you know and they'll raise their hand and I say I just tricked you you know it's not going to happen it just did happen it's happening yeah you have to hold that space yeah and then that compels you into right action your actions become an extension that it's already happening so you're not manipulating people you're not trying to convince yeah external circumstan to change you are the Fiat you are the energy of it and it changes your speech your behavior and your actions become an expression of it's happening yeah it's almost like it's using a memory to tune into the frequency I also think manifestation is this where we pretend we're like okay it's happening you feel that and then it's like oh even without the thing happening the vibration of it is still here it's not being a victim to the goal absolutely Ely because the the the the universal law doesn't know Spanish doesn't know English it only it only knows frequency yeah you know it's it hears your vibration uh and it matches that yeah so you can say all the right words y but if the music isn't there there's no manifestation you see yeah yeah and years ago so I was 23 and I was going to a master's program in spiritual psychology and I had was really diving deep into my spiritual exploration but I was also working in a bar and I was you know making my way and I remember I was these were very different Lifestyles for me and I remember not to judge myself at that time because if I had judged it I would be further stuck right and I would literally go to bed at 400 a.m. from doing bottle service I would sleep a few hours drive from San Diego to Los Angeles to go to Agape your spiritual community and I had a foot in Two Worlds but very different um and I I felt like I was stretched but I was also later I worked at a spiritual uh as a spiritual counselor in an addiction Center and I really got not to judge where I was but to focus on where I was going yes and in the value of that I knew that it would be more graceful in the transition so anybody that's like feeling lost or this isn't where I want to be like really letting yourself it's okay wherever you're at and as you focus on where you're moving there will be an energy that pulls you through absolutely and kind of what you were saying is this tuning fork of feeling into that vibration and that energy um and I I remember one of the the experiences that you led at Agape was a manifestation process and I had just driven up to LA to look at places that I could rent I was really depressed because they were not what I could afford in San Diego and one of the processes you had us do with a manifest I set the intention to find the perfect location the perfect new home for me and at the end of your your service I went out and I connected with a few acquaintances that I knew from school not very well and one girl was like what are you doing here I said I'm looking for an apartment she said I have a second bedroom would you like to go see it I ended up moving in she became my best friend for 10 to 15 years one of the most powerful relationships in my life we traveled the world together went to school and it was from this manifestation process that you did which I loved it really one of the things I love about Agape in your community is it's such a high Vibe and you're inviting people to raise their frequency like you're talking about and I think that accelerates manifestation oh absolutely and so I'm curious like are there other things that PE practices or principles that people can incorporate to help accelerate manifestation absolutely you probably know you know um you know how you go to bed how you go to how you wake up in the morning extremely important you know the idea is you're in the hypnogogic state and so why not use that time yeah right before you go to sleep yeah just get into the feeling tone of what you're calling forth in your life feel that it's already happening if you want to add some visualization to it you can yeah but you go to sleep in that Dynamic you don't go to sleep in um ruminating of all the bad things that happen or scrolling on Instagram you you forgive everything yes you get into the space and you go to sleep when you wake up this is very important because a lot of times people's our mind has a kind of a negative bias yes and it'll look for the negative things it'll it'll project worst case scenarios into the day as a safety strategy yeah it's like I don't want to get hurt so this person I'm going to see this person I know I'm not going to like this person I'm going to protect myself against their Vibe whatever you know so instead of doing that you come into a state of gratitude and one of the things that I do is uh I I'll lay in the bed and I scan my body from the bottom of my feet to the top of my head put into total relaxation and then I'll I'll say something like you I mean I'm so grateful I'm so fulfilled I am now choosing the timeline in which and then I'll describe what it's trying to manifest I'm choosing the timeline in the field of infinite possibilities where I'm totally prosperous where my ideas are manifesting with ease and with Grace and everything is unfolding perfectly I will choose to live in that field because it's already existed yes yes it already exists yeah so I choose to live there now then I wake up put my feet on the ground and I go into a state of gratitude thank you and then I I um I surrender to life and then I say give me all the strength I need to handle my assignments for today that's just when I wake up that's not even my meditation that's not even the water I drink and the smoothie I make later and the exercise when I go to the gym that's just that's just getting out of bed yeah you know so I I teach people uh to be intentional I hear that and not allow the world to determine your mood o or your attitude you get to determine that yeah you know so people have this negative bias about all this stuff going wrong and they'll get in a bad mood y before they even walk out the door you know oh my God I got to go do this today oh I'm going to bump into that person you know they already set it up yeah but you can actually design vibrationally your day uhhuh your week uhhuh your life yeah you know and it's not manipulation it's not magical thinking it's just opening yourself up to what's already happening at the meta level and let it flow through you but it it takes um what I call discipline until it becomes a blissl you know that's it's a word I coined many years ago that you have a discipline discipline comes from the word that means to love so you're doing something you love yeah you're remembering what's important yeah if you if you love music and you learn how to play the piano you you love it so much that you you practice every day yeah until music starts to play through you so you have a a dis a spiritual discipline and then Life Starts to play through you you know things happen you you don't even you didn't even plan it yeah I love that it's it's almost like giving people their power back the remote control tot to say you get to choose the movie The Station that you're tuning into not be a victim to the circumstance you have dominion over your energetic field and what you're placing your attention on and I think that would be even more powerful from people stage one to two things happening to me versus things happening for me yes really using everything for our Awakening for Absolut our healing and evolution absolutely yeah that that the stage two which is for us and and by by us that's real work yeah you know because you're actually looking at your mind you know we you know my podcast take back your mind you're looking at it you're seeing the thoughts the opin opinions the points of view the perceptions the positionalities but most of that stuff you didn't put there that's somebody else programm that or you had an interpretation of an experience that formed an opinion in a point of view yeah you know and so then that perception creates experience and your experience is an artifact It's actually an artifact of a point of view but as you watch it and you you start to wake up now you're at Choice point you go from reaction to actually choosing yeah human you you activate your potential you start to choose it yeah you know so choice is a function of expanded awareness from the work you've done in stage two yeah because we can't control what happens but we can control how we hold it inside of ourselves and if we use that for our growth and freedom yes and that's so empowering to teach people I think most of society is moving from stage one to two happens to you happens for you I saw Kevin Hart talk to Jay-Z on his podcast saying it's not happening to you it's happening for you I've watched a lot of these people I love it they're picking up on the exactly and it's going extrem it's exciting CU then they're also role models for a lot of different people abolutely and and this Collective Awakening I think it's really important and sometimes suffering and challenges have an intelligence in it to to redirect oh human beings only grow two ways through crisis or through Insight through pain and suffering or Insight just only two ways absolutely now what I what I love about it because you know you said I've been doing this for a long time yeah so when I go back years ago this was woo woo I know you know and I was I was like you know Agape was a no fly zone don't go there that guy's crazy yeah you know it was I was I was demonized in a lot of circles yeah you know but now this is a normal conversation it's exciting yeah epigenetics quantum physics mapping are using a different language for the same things that we're saying yeah so it's it's all exciting to me it's all I'm very enthused about and thank you for helping pave the way I I remember back in the when I was I started getting into the more shamanic world when I was 12 and I was considered Moon girl or weird and you know and it's now you know and people would they'd be like how did you have a drink and you meditate or you know it's like it these things are more common and so I'm so happy about that and and it's it's exciting that people are actually committing to the work to do it for themselves I think that's the best way we can help evolve yeah take back your power uhuh yeah yeah and then then collectively as we we all start to dream a different dream you know because right now when you look at governments politics people there's no Central voice speaking a big Vision yeah you know that's not there yeah so it has to happen at the level of our communities our spiritual communities I'd like to say there's really only one authentic spiritual Community but it's in many locations you know but as we are all tuning in to the frequency of Oneness Etc you know we're literally changing the landsc landscape of the world yes even if it's not on 11:00 News yes yes you and I think Business and Entrepreneurship has plays a really big role as well big role yeah and so and and part of Oneness is saying yes to all of life's Expressions Oneness includes everything greed G grief all everything I know there was a point where I hit up against my own spiritual Evolution where I hit up against arrogance feeling like I was special and that I knew more that people have to go through that you have to go through it but I was so disgusted Michael by it that I stopped spiritual practices for a little while I was like you you got afraid of your ego and I really identified with it and that moment rather than being like Oh okay that's just part of the one that's just another expression of life looking to be met with acceptance and seen as part of the Divine that there's even the spiritual ego is divine without identifying with it without judging it's just part of how life unold it's part of a process yeah you know the ego has gotten a bad WAP but the ego has made sure that this experiment called spiritual being having human Incarnation could survive yeah so it was protective it it doesn't know that much about the unknown so it wants to keep you in your your limited perception personality Etc and so egotistic you know it be can become selfish and protective mine I'm right you're you know but after a while as we evolve it doesn't run the show yeah it's still going to give you some level of protection yes don't eat that that's poison you know yeah um but it doesn't run the show anymore yeah and then the spiritual eego comes in you know I'm special I'm different from other people you know that runs a little little while while it's a stage you creates separation from other people and then you start to live more from your soul ethic your Essence and then you You observe the ego said there it is it's like an innocent little kid it's a stage of evolution it's like kindergarten like nothing to judge I there's a beautiful friend of mine who um is a very clear teacher named lock Kelly he has a frame which I think you might enjoy he talks about waking up waking down waking out that's good and and it's like oh yeah you were talking about this you were waking up into and I my own experience of like I am awareness I Am The Observer as if the Observer was another now separate entity from what it was being observed rather than the Observer and the observing collapsing The Observer and The observed collapsing yeah and so part of you know just honoring wherever people are in their own unfolding like it's all Divine it's all part of kindergarten fifth grade it's part of the process sometimes we jump it's not necessarily linear right and to you know the waking up I am Mo you know I I'm more than my body and mind in more of the spiritual Dimension then waking down I I have a body mind even though I'm more than it right and then this it's in your field uhuh as an instrument yes and to have a healthy relationship with this and then this waking out more of this awaken doing keeping the heart and mind clear and open in a very engaged way I've been waiting for a c or someone to write a book about awake and doing maybe you're too I think I'm being schooled in it know if you wait if you're waiting for it that means your soul is saying okay it's time for you to say what you have to say about it it's been it's been initiation business specifically was like okay and how and to me that's really important we just had Byron Kitty on the podcast and I I what I love about both of you is it's it's practical engaged everyday spirituality it's not this like monastic life now I'm free oh yeah which isn't real Freedom that's freedom from rather than freedom to my entire Humanity all of it being human is so precious and so wonderful yeah there's a there's a wonderful uh story about it might be in the Buddhist context I'm not sure but it is said that if a turtle were to go underwater and pop its head up every 1,000 years into an inner tube the odds of that Turtle coming up in that inner tube is is greater than having a human Incarnation that that's how precious wow the human Incarnation is on this Earth it is so precious so to explore all of our Humanity yeah and to allow the essence of our soul to have full sway through our Humanity it's a precious magnificent experience yes so we don't want to block any of it totally yeah and and what a sacred perspective to hold that as a gift and yeah sometimes it's really challenging yeah and to really honor that to allow that to be part of it and my experience is when I accept the challenge ironically I transform it I move through it oh absolutely you it will not transform without acceptance accept observing acceptance embracing transformation yes yes yeah and talk about forgiveness a bit because forgiveness is a form of acceptance right we can't change what had happened you know when you're coming out a victim every Vic victim has a blame story I'm not happy because my parents got a divorc I'm not you know my school teacher said I couldn't sing or whatever so in order to come out of victimhood you have to forgive you have to and all forgiveness is self forgiveness yeah because you releasing the toxicity of resentment animosity whatever from your own soul from your own psyche your own subjective mind even though somebody may have done something you're not denying that right but to hold on to that I call unforgiveness a high form of self abuse oo you're abusing yourself but you're using that person yes to abuse yourself yes so when you when you enter fully into forgiveness you become free you cut the emotional bonds with that other individual you don't condemn them you don't hate them you're just cutting yourself free and you set everybody free to heal but it's necessary yeah and I'd like people to forgive every night mhm not just you know during the holidays but just before you go to bed you just kind of see who annoyed you today who was impatient maybe it was you yeah you know you kind of clean it up and forgive it before you take that into your subconscious yeah yeah yeah because that forgiveness anything where judging hurts us and so you know it's not about being a doormat but just realizing that when I judge I hurt right and so I can free myself of that learn the lesson maybe set a boundary if that feels true but move on yeah you'll be guided as to how to operate in 3D yeah you know okay I'm going forgive that person but that person I'm not really going to go to lunch with them yeah yeah thank you we don't have a vibrational match we don't have a vibrational match but I'm not going to let them determine my mood yeah you see yeah more empowering yeah and I think some of the the Judgment can also be uh from this religious conditioning what we were talking about earlier like this God that looks down on us you know I remember when I was a kid thinking like who do the ants pray to like a human form it didn't make sense to me that's funny I was like wait that doesn't feel fair or right caterpillar playing to the butterfly you know yeah it's like wait that didn't make sense so there's a lot of things that I was questioning when I was a kid but um but just to even look at I remember one time I I was raised Catholic and and then when I went through my first communion my parents said you can choose whatever feels right and I was like there is a God and so for me a lot of my my upbringing was questioning everything it's still part of my spiritual practice more of an undoing and at one point I looked at what was the god I was raised with that I what I was told to believe and then what's the god that feels true now and really doing that assessment helped free up some of the shame and guilt I had about feeling like I was born into sin and that I needed to be better and performed to be approved and feel safe and and the self judgment can come from some of our religious upbringing oh totally we we the Penance religiosity i i define religiosity as loving the scripture or loving religion more than you love God so that many people are in religiosity but they're missing the presence yeah you know and so when you get to the presence you can pick and choose yeah what works and what's real and what's authentic and what's just man-made you know and many people are are are stuck but many people are leaving that old Paradigm in droves L the young people don't don't have anything to do with that M they want God they want love they want compassion they want kindness but they don't want that old God all rules yeah back back in the day I used to do a process at Agape in which we would fire the old God ah you know take all those old Concepts and fire that God yeah and then replace it with the god of love beautiful you know yeah getting to take dominion over and choosing absolutely yeah I I think that's really empowering and I think it's an it's important work to do so that we can align with what our truth is I know I went to get my ma um my undergrad I made up my own major because I knew healing I became a licens psychotherapist I knew healing was more than just the mind so I did spiritual studies um I did sociology so all about community and psychology that's beautiful it was some of the most profound courses I've ever taken I studied comparative mysticism to see the mysticism within all religion oh so juicy and death dying in the afterlife just learning about different cultures and how they approach death and you know their different ideas and ways of being which is so powerful um but circling back to manifesting at at Agape I wanted to ask you about the law of Radiance okay what's the difference with the law of Radiance and the Law of Attraction okay law of attraction is a linguistic convenience describing you know an inner process that takes place where it looks like you're attracting something to yourself but it's actually emanating from you you see so we start off with the language Law of Attraction you know feel it visualize it feel that it's happening and then what are you doing you start to have the law of resonance you're in resonance with it yeah and then from resonance there's radiation you're actually radiating it before it manifest yeah and then after Radiance is emergence the law of emergence that which is within you begins to emerge if you take an avocado seed and put put it in the proper condition then an avoc then the roots and the ches will emerge from the seed you know like the intelly of an avocado is to become an a avocado tree avocado tree it's already within us yeah so we go from attraction to Resonance okay to to radiation to emergence ah you see so often times people not as much now but people would get into the law of attra ction but they would separate themselves from what they were trying to attract I was going to ask you about this it's out there yes I'm going to attract that to me yes oh this is so important for people to hear I just want to highlight double click on what you're saying yeah yeah people want to attract it to them but they're saying they don't have it uhuh and that I'm separate from it I'm separate from it but when you realize the law of attraction is is a linguish to convenience for feeling that it's already happening in your visualization your your emotional feeling tone your conversation your affirmation is all about proclaiming declaring decreeing it is so it's happening now I feel it even I I can't see it yet with my eyes yeah but I see it in my Consciousness yeah so now where I I start to have a resonance with it I'm feeling it don't mean a thing we don't have that feeling you know what I mean and then I start to radiate it why are you so happy you you still have those bills yeah why why what do you why you raing so much joy yeah I am the answer yes yes then it emerges yeah from me and it shows it can show up in many ways a book falling off the shelf meeting a person you didn't know you were going to meet that has the absolute thing that you need for the next level of your business yeah it's all here that feels like the acceleration yeah because I was going to ask you about the four stages of Awakening and four stages of Consciousness and manifestation like how those fit in because do you can you kind of walk us through that a little bit well in terms of the what I just described the four stages of Consciousness and where manifestation Falls because manifestation there there's two levels of manifestation yeah and stage two you're you're you're learning you're learning how to manifest uhuh and in learning how to manifest you have mature wants and immature wants you know you may see something on television you know when you're a kid you think of I want that toy that's going to make me happy when you grow up you realize you don't really what you wanted you don't you don't really want what you wanted when you were four yeah you know so as you evolve the one thing doesn't come from the world uhhuh you start to manifest the gifts of your soul which brings you everything that is necessary to live a beautiful magnificent and beautiful life but your one thing is changing you see so in stage two you're learning the difference you know you go from parking spaces princes and palaces and all of that two I want to deliver my gift yes and then you understand seek first this realm and everything else is given to you not even thinking about it because it's just a part of your being yeah so so stage two is is is definitely manifestation and then stage three it's beyond the imaginal realm there are gifts experiences that you cannot imagine that want to express through you so when you're living wide open MH I will for the will of God to be done in my life the will of God is For What the greater expression of life that's all it is then you open yourself up to that which is beyond your imagination visualization you're re-enchanting your imagination but then that which is beyond the imagination is Limitless and infinite yeah you understand yeah so when I think about some of the things that I've got a chance to experience in my life I didn't imagine it I didn't visualize it it came it's like wow that was that was so beautiful I remember time I was sitting with the dolly Lama was facilitating this meeting with him and it just dawned on me he said how did I get here and The Interpreter was sitting here his Holiness was sitting over there and we had garnered together these scientists these Mystics from all around the world we're having these beautiful 4-day dialogue did it with him four times and so the first time I saying this wasn't on my vision board how how did I get here yeah it was beyond my imagination but I wanted to be of service yes and then the universe brought all of that together in a in a sweet way and that it really speaks to the surrender as well and I think sometimes people can tell themselves I should let go and that just is another concept that they beat themselves up with and you know for those that don't feel like they can trust that what's meant for you won't won't pass you what would you is like what would you share with people cuz I remember you know and and just to speak back to what you were just sharing like the the levels of manifestation there's what I would call egoic manifestation which is the outside in I'm separate and the Gucci bag or the person will make me and then we feel controlling of that person and situation to stay so that then we are that's manipulation and if you're not vibrating at that level you'll lose it you have to keep manipulating it to keep it that's right and then then there's like Essence manifestation which is I am all of it and how do I want to co-create and play and surrender as a part of that so that more miracles unfold better than we could have planned right but but anything any words of wisdom for people that are afraid to let go or are controlling I think letting go is a process of maturing like when you're manifesting at stage two you start to learn that there is a law in the universe that things don't just happen they happen just according to your Consciousness according to your feeling according to your emotion and when you start to learn that incrementally you start to let go you don't you can't just wake up one day say I surrender you can say the words yeah but I think when you're doing the practices meditation you're doing the practices affirmative prayer you're doing the practices sacred study you're hanging with individuals that are vibrating at the level you want to vibrate and you know then something happens to you yeah you actually notice oh I've released more I'm not as anxious about the future when did that happen it came like a thief in the night something fell off yeah a perception a belief a point of view dissolved and you were more you yeah so it's it's it's difficult to make yourself to surrender yeah but when you do spiritual practice yeah you look back and you say oh I've changed right I really hear prioritizing yourself and your Attunement because life is a mirror and so as we really Orient to a a higher frequency life begins to reflect that and looking back later it's like oh that all makes sense yes it makes sense and and you are different you're not the same person that started the The Path yeah or entered into your first level of spiritual practice you're a different being yeah and you can discover that because you'll notice there are things you still don't like but they don't bother you as much you know it's like it doesn't it doesn't bother me I don't like it yeah I prefer that that didn't happen yeah however it's not knocking me out of my peace MH that's powerful a couple of years ago that would knock me off my piece I'd be mad you know or whatever now it's like I don't like that yeah but but you're still centered inself I'm centered I can make different choices I don't have to be in that environment whatever the case may be one of the ways that I work with that is what I call the Paradox of transformation to somatically feel what I'm avoiding to open to that as a sensation in my body not a story but just I literally this morning was just body scanning yeah the fear of what it would be like to have this thing that I really love go away yeah so that I don't manipulate a control and I can really move into a deeper sense of surrender authentically so it's like if the fear failure or the whatever it is to and and I would only that is a spiritual practice you're describing okay good yeah I would and I would only encourage people to do it when they have a greater sense of uh resource psychological or spiritual because you don't want to get lost in theut because it can go you know down the rabbit hole for people that have big tea trauma do it with a licensed Prof profal but it's powerful to feel the very thing that we're avoiding and then equally to play with tuning into the frequency of manifestation like honoring both equally I find to be really powerful yeah that that's that is a powerful spiritual practice we call it going into the expanded State and experiencing your worst case scenario yes but while you're in the expanded State that's right I'm so happy that you shared that because that is the most important step to know yourself capital S and then to allow any of the humanity that is contracted that's looking for presence and acceptance that's all it needs it's like a little kid it wants a hug and then it's off playing again then it dissolves yeah but it's the courage to feel it and to go there and not avoid it people avoid it with alcohol with drugs with you know shopping whatever they don't want but if you move into the expanded State experience your worst case scenario you see that it's not that big a deal yeah it's just a feeling it's just it's just an emotion you know it begins to dissolve and then you have Clarity that's right yeah that's that feels like a mature spiritual practice yes and and I high I love that you really qualified and what I would say as a resource some people that aren't spiritually aligned I'll just say like a loving presence feeling a safety a safety exactly the foundation of safety otherwis we can get lost in it absolutely what what are some of your favorite spiritual practices you've said that a few times or healing modalities or rituals that you love to do oh you know when I get asked that question it's so integrated in me that yeah you're like this is my my life is a prayer yeah I get that it it it you know I I meditate every day yeah it's just a part of is it just silence is there Mantra is there I I enter into meditation I mean I light incense in my house every single room oh when I wake up it's just a part of a a waking up I I do I do what I described earlier I light inance in every room I make a warm glass of uh water with lemon in it with some minerals I drink that the first thing just to purify the body and then I I go to a place it's like a dining room but I have it special chair I sit in yeah and I um go into a state of meditation not long this may be 10 minutes then I hit the gym have a trainer so I work out and I come back I make a smoothie so I have my own green drink it's called adapto in you know and I have other things I throw into it I I drink that then I will do a formal meditation okay and that formal meditation will be as long as I have in terms of what kind of appointments do I have during the day do I need to be at the office at a particular time am I doing them you know so it's it's it's at least going to be 22 minutes okay okay it's going to be 22.2 22 22 minutes and 3 seconds you know and so there's the there's the meditation and so I'm in my car yeah and I'm listening to uh vibrational sounds that are behind any music or podcast I may be listening to you know it's a it's a particular frequencies that it's like 32 different frequencies that there's there's uh peace there's a deep sense of well-being there's Pro Prosperity but they're actual coded frequencies you see yeah and that's behind anything I'm playing interesting yeah on the way to the office yeah so I'm always in a certain Dynamic yeah but meditation is a big part of it iar meditation is fundamental I agree I agree my two spiritual practices are inquiry questioning my mind and meditation yeah and I I very much love non-u meditation yeah you know even if it's just the breath inward I yeah am yeah I watch the breath yeah I it's I have my own version of os uhuh that I've developed over the years yeah you know the body scan for people that don't know yeah and and I watch the breath I I I establish intention I place my attention on the intention and the feeling of it then I embrace the breath then I go into beginner's mind I've never meditated before so this this particular aspect of me didn't exist yesterday yeah so I'm be I'm beginning I'm not a veteran of meditation this is my very first time and then I imagine that someone is about to tell me something extremely important and I have to catch it so I go into lowly listening because the universal presence is always broadcasting intelligence love peace Joy wisdom and Harmony so I go into lowly listening and I let my whole being listen with the beginner's mind as I'm watching the breath so then I catch yeah inspiration you know I'll catch wisdom and guidance or I'll catch something um like lately I've caught I been I C catch things that haven't happened yet and then I'm when it's in happening I said oh I remember I know it's going to happen or I'll catch oh I need to talk about this on Sunday yeah you know so it becomes a deep listening deep listening lowly listening is extremely important and you mentioned questions and I teach to ask empowering questions never ask questions that are disempowering what's wrong who's to blame or why me yeah you ask what good is here that I presently can see ask what gift is this experience bringing to me what can I learn from this what can I learn from this you know what's trying to emerge in my life right now the universe will answer that question yeah yeah because the mind will just focus on whatever you give it so that you're redirecting the Mind as a practice inner gym working it out so that you really stay in that higher frequency I I love the question how can it get better than this uhhuh yes I love that one so even if something's going wrong yeah according to your mind or whether something is going really nice how can it get better than this and the universe will show you because it's infinite what about people that are facing a a particular challenge right now they're listening to this like I I just heard the redirecting the mind which I think is so powerful and helpful what would you share with somebody that's really feeling lost and confused every being has some we talked about this a little bit earlier has some little memory of things being okay mhm it can be when you were 3 years old yeah your grandmother hugged you yeah you take that seed memory and you close your eyes you breathe into it and you allow every time you exhale for that feeling to magnify so you're magnifying the feeling tone of that memory until it starts to become dominant in your awareness and then from this expanded Consciousness you can ask a question you know what is it that's mine to do where this challenge is concerned that's good I'm just taking that one in that was good what is my next step yeah that I should take but you're not asking it from victim right you're and you're asking from Stillness and doing deep listening right and and in a connection of a memory when you felt safe right asking from a higher order of being mhm and to feel that in your body in a really grounded way yes so it's like like who do I feel most loved by could be another a prompt could be your dog yeah how does my dog see me and that evokes a sense of Love which you are and then you what I'm hearing you say is you focus and presence that it awakens it more fully it's a new neural network and then you're programming more aliveness more creativity more what's good right and you're available yeah to the wisdom that's perennial and is happening all the time this presence doesn't go on and off yeah so important so important you never have to pray for the presence to be the presence please be please be God yeah please no no it is what it is you're not praying for the sun to be hot yeah you know you're just going out in it and getting your vitamin D I know there's part of a spiritual uh stage where it's like I got it I lost it it's like whatever I got I didn't lose because that wasn't it right that's a state of consciousness and yet the the context the projector awareness the truth of what I am is always here always and your state when you normal a state the next stage emerges yeah stage the stage emerges from a normalized state but you're not grasping on it because you know what you are in a deeper context absolutely and by accepting the grief and by offering compassion to the sadness Whatever It Is by fully allowing it ironically it opens us to what's beneath it peace yeah yeah yeah okay one last question and this is more for me so before we start the podcast I was talking about how I did this ceremony with my dad and starting to really learn how to receive and I know that this is a big thing for women specifically where you know we can feel like we are don't want to be a burden to others or feel like I don't want to I don't want to feel bad women don't want to take up space part of it yeah or like have needs to you know feeling bad for that and some of this is cultural Collective you're talking about epigenetics some of it's personal and some of it's psychological right so there's like different approaches to unraveling this um given that but I'm curious what is your perspective or wisdom on or one thing that that women can do to support or myself I'm asking for friends um to learn how C to receive more and really yeah I'm just curious if there's any wisdom around that well you know in in the mental atmosphere of the planet in the newest spere there's all kinds of intelligence that's vibrating when women ran the show M before they were demonized called witches burned at the stake told to go shut up whatever the case may be yeah that frequency still exists yes and we're living in a a time right now where that frequency is becoming the dominant frequency again still trying to be suppressed however it cannot be the rise of the feminine is happening right now we're in it yeah so thank God all you one of the things you can do you can just Google all of the women on the planet or the last 100 years that have made a significant difference on the in the planet just Google them and you'll see all these beautiful women from all these cultures what they've invented like 3D printing was invented by a woman this as an example yeah yeah and and my daughter has a book of um influential women throughout the last 100 years so I could I could look at that and you'll start to um vibrate with that feeling of how magnificent how important how significant they didn't dim their lights they knew how to take up space yeah like um the Western man takes up space yeah comes in I know my male clients they just own it they get spr their legs you know what I mean women would come in and be like nice and pleasing no just come in and just sit back and just feel the power wanning to move through you and it's not power masculine yeah it's the power of life you know yeah I was not thinking you were going to say that that is so beautiful and helpful and practical thank you for that it's it's the time of the feminine yeah ride that way it's important that we all integrate that and I i' I had an akashic record reading recently with this gentleman who I deeply trust and was talking about my La last five lives were a monk and a nun and that I was part of the Inquisition and so the part of this is that so even you mean you were part of Inquisitor no I was I was being like I was part of the the group put you down that put me down and so that was part of part of my pattern around sacrifice and not letting myself receive certain things and so and also probably a fear to shine yes and that was part of this life too yeah when I felt like I was fully radiant and myself being bullied for about a year and a half and feeling like my light uh hurt people or threaten people no mediocrity attacks Excellence mhm that's that's what happens the mediocre mind will attack the light yeah because it's jealous it's it's envious it feels less than that's just a path we walk yeah soon as she starts shining you no one attacks a couch potato they only attack somebody's trying to do something yeah because it's bringing up their own stuff absolutely and when I did my inquiry to go back I could see that I was actually safe everying single moment other than what I was thinking and believing absolutely and and so I was like oh that was my power it wasn't even their thoughts about me that hurt me it was my thoughts about what they were thinking that hurt me and and so there's an understanding of it conceptually but there's still like why I love coaching is because as we take steps to share more fully any of that stuff comes up to be integrated in a sematic or a deeper way Absolut which is where I'm at right now just reminded me of a client I had it's a young woman brilliant writer creative but she always sabotaged herself before she would allow the success to come in yeah and so we're in counseling session and I had a friend of mine who was a spiritual practitioner but also a hypnotherapist and I said I want you to do one session with this woman so she she put the lady under and she remembered when she was a little girl three four years old her mother her mother and father were separated so her mother would leave her home cu the mother had to go work yeah today that'd be called child abuse you know yeah and um during the time that she was left alone the neighbor abused her oh okay yeah so she went through this um hypnotic uh trance so to speak and she saw that during that time Angels were all around her holding her these powerful presence so when she came out of that what became a part of her being was yes x y and happened yeah but God was always there yeah the Angels was always there I was safe and then that became her dominant feeling and then she stopped sabotaging yeah you know she forgave and that became her dominant feeling angels are always here so she actually had that as a felt experience yeah MH yeah and then that reprograms cuz I know reprogramed or mine a lot of people think like this other sho's going to drop these upper limits yes so would that be one thing that you would encourage people to do this like because you were talking about the fear-based mind it's it's a protective it's a safety strategy it buys towards negativity to protect ourselves that's why the affirmation of how can it get better than this but feeling it how can it get better than this but that's going to bring up the upper limit yes so then the fear is going to get louder as it's like getting better it's always going to be what is called chemicalization the psychological term that speaks to whenever you go to another frequency everything unlike that comes up to be he yes so yes that becomes a part of the process yeah to see through it to look at it yeah so after a while you don't take a bad day as a federal case you take it as a part of the process something's being cleared yeah something's being cleaned out yeah something's being healed you know it's like if you're if you're fasting what happens yeah I'm on a cleanse right now there have some days where it's like oh my God I'm G to eat symptoms yeah but and you your your your getting rid of toxins yes so the mind is saying this is terrible I'm feeling bad so important that you're saying this because I I want to highlight it that people think sometimes they're going into psychological spiritual work thinking it's getting worse this is actually the detoxification this is helping become aware of everything that's been running you so that you can clear it and service to Greater alignment exactly it the worst day for your ego is sometimes the best day for your soul that's right I literally I had a even even my experience in middle school was like the thing that caused so much Challenge and Trauma for me actually led me back to a spiritual path yeah so there's you also to see the gifts in it the guidance the the Divine Design Within all of it so all that what we're saying is planting seeds for people to just see things in a different perspective and to add a little bit of spiritual practice intentionality Yeah and then and then old Mo takes over momentum yeah takes over from inertia and next thing you know you're living a different life yeah it's not just a temporary lifestyle it's actually you're living a different life totally one of the things I'm taking away from this conversation that I'm going to implement and I encourage people to do the same whatever felt alive and true for them is I loved how you were talking about don't let the day dictate your energy and frequency to really not be a victim I talk about this in my certification not be a victim to the goal right right and so but doing that with my energy every single day and practicing that and attuning and taking dominion over how I want to navigate that's what it means to take back your mind that's what it means to take back your heart take back your life yeah yes oh my goodness we could keep going I just love and adore you thank you for coming on and I know people are going to want to stay connected I know you have so many things that you're up to share with us what they how people can stay connected they can connect with me at Michael beth. comom which is my personal website lets people know what I'm up to where I'm going to be speaking and that kind of thing teaching they can go to agapelive.com which plugs them right into the spiritual Community where I speak there every Sunday pretty much so good you know three services uh every Sunday I do a way of meditation service 6:45 a.m. and being in community is so powerful and important so I just want to highlight that when you are offering such a high Vibe beautiful Community I think yeah people are just drawn to the work that you do that are just incredible people it's beautiful and it's it's I'm watching now all these you know young people come through the community with their kids and you know it's like I've watched all these different Generations grow up and do major things in the world it's very powerful these teens grow up you know I have a a teen or he's not a teen anymore he's now on my Board of Trustees but I watched him grow up he became the student by President UCLA uh student by a president at at Harvard graduated went into Finance you know now he's on my board but he's been in these teachings all his life you know and so these parents want their kids to grow up without Dogma yeah but within a real sense of community so i' I've said over the years that authentic spiritual Community grants you immunity from the lower frequencies of life so they can find they can go to my Instagram page I have something every day that's inspirational on the Instagram that's incredible and the website in the in the Facebook it's it's all there and they go to YouTube or any place where podcasts were shown and they can see take back your mind podcast they may even see you on there one day uhuh yeah yeah beautiful well I just appreciate the work that you're doing in the world the way that you lead with your heart even when you just came into to the to my home I could feel the frequency that you are both operating in and I just what a blessing you are in this world and you're a blessing I I felt you as soon as I walked intoo it was beautiful I said oh this is a beautiful woman I love this yeah what a gift thank you Michael thank you so much for doing this work that changes the world starting with yourself it truly does make a difference and if you're finding value in this podcast a costree way to support us is by leaving an up to five-star review 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