Hey, you guys hear me now? Yes. So, we can hear you. At least I can hear you. Okay, perfect. Yeah, I had some uh some audio issues, but it seems to be fixed now. That's great. Okay. Um uh do you know if Pavl is joining us today? Sorry. No, Pavl is not joining us today. Unfortunately, he's busy with other stuff, but we can if there's something urgent, we can call him. Of course, our good, I think. We have a while today. He will be sharing quite an interesting story. Yes, we have Val here, which is great. Val doesn't join us too often on Inside Design, so it's great to have him. And today, we also have Aron Day joining us. Uh we'll go over all the monthly um over all the updates of the past months. We will go over what is coming in the next month. Um we will discuss of course the confidential layer bridge. We will um talk a little bit about the spy nodes uh thing that was fixed with that new desktop wallet. And for the rest uh any questions that people might have now is the perfect moment because we don't really have a dedicated topic for this episode. So we can chat about anything that is interesting really and there's of course as always plenty of stuff going on inside the Xanoverse. So um yeah we we'll open with a few quick facts, updates and milestones as always. Um starting with the community member of the month which uh of last month was Zano meetup group. Congratulations to Zano Meetup Group. Uh Zano meetup group is a exac account and they basically host Zano meetups uh in the states, United States. They hosted one in New York City. They host the one in Houston. Um I believe there are more to come. And of course uh we're very grateful for this person, whoever is behind it, we actually don't know. Um so whoever that is, uh thank you for supporting Zano and hosting meetups across the United States. Then uh Zano Africa uh the African account of Zano held another Zano meetup in uh Lokoja or Ko, one of the two. Um and that was like a couple days ago. Um it was was pretty cool. Let me find the tweet real quick because it was a big success again. They had um I believe over 250 attendees. Again, you can go um if you're interested in this stuff, you can go to Zano Africa. You can uh read it yourself there as well. Um it's a lot of images and videos and stuff, but Zano is uh growing really fast in Africa. The people there really use it. Um and that is awesome to see. They had 250 people attend. Oh, 209 people attend. 250 people registered. They registered hundreds of aliases again. They on boarded uh merchants and new community members. Um and Lil King was doing a workshop on how to use Zano and why privacy is important. So huge shout out to him and also Antics which is another community member that is helping Lil King in organizing these events. So a big thank you to both of them as well. Then two brief mentions. Nothing special here, but we got a new exchange, btse.com, I believe. btsee.com. Yes, bts.com. Um, one new exchange, one of many that we already have. And we have also a new swap platform, Coinos Swap. Uh, we also have a lot of swap platforms already, but you know, the more the marrier. So, uh, really happy to see new listings still coming in uh, today. That's great, great development for us. Um, yeah, let's let's get into the into the big stuff here, guys. Let's get into the development updates. Let's start with uh the wallet improvements. Um, let's start with a new mobile wallet, which has multiple aliases support, private NFT support, and multi-estinational transactions. Um, I'm really happy with that last one in particular because I often send transactions to many people and now I can just um, you know, put all the transactions in my in my Zano mobile wallet and also also by the way the desktop wallet supports this functional as well and just you know send out 10 15 20 transactions in one go. Um, Andre, can you tell us a little bit about um maybe even about the new mobile dev and how it's going for him? Um, or maybe this is Val. I don't know. One of you that is probably uh in touch with him. Uh I I'm not sure if Wal fixes his microphone problem. Uh he he just said me that he's trying to reconnect or something. Um honestly the wallet uh mobile wallet is uh pretty interesting right now because yeah we have a new mobile wallet developer I it's not new anymore he he's been with us like for a few months already and uh since this happened I'm not actually actively involved in development I honestly doesn't even following the new feature that they introduce what I know is when something bad happened and I have to look into this or while have to look into this and we bumped into few like a low-level problems especially with a multi- destination we faced some problem that we actually knew about but we forgot about this and the guy was guys was implementing the new features and we kind of so I kind of figure out about something that happens in mobile from the bugs or problem that we're facing on the low level uh side. So as far as I know they doing pretty much great progress but I myself not actively involved in this part of development. Thanks God not actively involved at least as this part anymore. So um unfortunately I can't um share you a lot of news on all this. Hold on. I can ask if mobile um what was his name again? Uh Anton. Anon. Yes. Yes. So basically Yes. And basically Anon is the new full-time dedicated mobile developer for us. So just to explain a little bit about this is uh we didn't have any dedicated mobile developers in the past. So, it was always, you know, um, a bit trickier for the dev team to update the mobile wallet because they're not native mobile developers. And now we actually have one on the team and he's been doing really well and pushing many updates and improving the Zano mobile wallet significantly. Yeah, that's that's actually very great and um I really appreciate because I appreciate it uh because I have more time to focus on things that uh like takes a lot of time especially when it comes to core development or reading some papers. Recently we had another um how to say it um another few sessions with a common prefix about uh building new consensus because it's not it's not moving that easy and smooth as I would love to. So I have to also read a lot of stuff and uh like we we have calls. So yeah and I'm and I'm really glad that um Anton can take care about most of the things. He's also being very creative. He is proposing new things uh in terms of UI even something that I myself very surprised to see often and uh yeah he visited us um recently in Emirates. Uh so we met uh in person uh and had a great uh week of working together like kind of bonding and while was also there so we kind of had the whole team not the whole but uh part of the team working together so yeah we are pretty much happy with Anton awesome yeah and I mean it's not just him right you also O have also have two other developers on the team right now. Yeah, we have uh two other guys uh uh we have I don't know if they up for showing their names. Um I wanted to bring them actually to this to one of the spaces uh and they can speak up for themselves. Let me check. Are they hold Just in the meantime, we'll go over some other um we'll move on to the next topic. Uh but if they can join us, that'd be great. Um let's see. Val has some technical issues as well. I uh somehow don't see him in the spaces. Can you see him in the list, Andre? No, I I'll I'll write him right now. All right. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I see him as a listener right now. Maybe he'll now I see him. Yeah. Great. Great. Let's see. Invite him. Okay. Val, if you can hear us, if he while he's setting up his microphone, I I will set like really quickly. So, the the the guy with the name uh nickname Akman uh Dimma uh he has a he's a very very has C++ skills. Uh he's a quite young but quite experienced for his age I would say. And the best part that he already familiar with the blockchain in he actually a little bit f familiar with the cryptonode codabase. He was uh doing something uh with a cryptonode codabase before. So we were really happy to get him and u the best part we don't need to spend a lot of time uh educating him. He's a uh very how to say it self efficient in doing stuff and uh he's actually as as he's a quite experienced uh developer from I can say new C++ generation developers and he has a kind of more modern approach at some point. So he sometimes point out to our uh old style things and uh basically trying to help us to make our codebase better which is pretty pretty nice. I I would love to have people like him more involved in uh in working on Zara which is great. Uh, another just um just sorry just want to add something here real quick is that um just for people to understand better it's it's quite a rarity these days to find uh C++ developers with cryptonote experience right absolutely yeah yeah absolutely so yeah that's that's a gem find yeah I'm really yeah we are really lucky I I I just don't want to be overly excited uh yet because we just started to for a couple months ago and uh we had in the past a kind of negative experience when we hire new people but then after some time we see that uh the person actually doesn't meet uh uh the the skill requirement or sometimes ethical requirements. So I just very optimistic and hope it's going to work out and uh everybody so far is pretty much excited about him. Um yeah we have another guy uh German who is also very very promising. Uh the guy has a very great potential uh and uh intuitively he's has he's doing a lot of things like how to say it in intuitively very well. So he's a like a really great material. uh he also started to work a couple of months ago and uh he's actually working on something new that we will publish in a couple months. He's doing research for us. Not not just coding, he's capable in doing research which is like super great. So that's it. That's quick update and long story short, we are getting bigger and uh that's great as a team I mean. Yeah. Yeah. because I mean I mean we've been doing fine but for the people that are not aware uh the the especially the dev team is quite small right it's it's you it's Val it's uh Paval and um uh yeah I mean it's not a big dev team right so if we have three new guys that is uh that is great that is we also twice bigger team yeah yeah and of course we have Sega and we have Um, we have a couple more, but to my understanding that's those guys are not full-time working, right? Yeah. Oh, that's great. Cool. Um, let's um let's talk a bit about um Val, are you here now? I think your your technical issues are fixed, right? Uh, Val. Yeah. Can you hear me, guys? Yes. Hey. Yep. You're loud and clear. How are you doing, man? Oh, yeah. Thank you. I I'm good, but I'm struggling struggling a lot with this with this Twitcher and making it working with my microphone. But anyway, I'm glad I'm I'm here. Uh thank you for uh for having me today. So yeah, of course, man. Um yeah, I I mean let's um the next topic on the list was about the new desktop wallet and about of course that's about the spy nodes and this is like your topic. So um can you please tell us a little bit about the new desktop wallet and how the you know the spy nodes are mitigated or even gone now you said um so yeah can you tell us a bit about that? Uh well I I'm not sure I'm we have like lot lots on on the table like as as from my perspective about the desktop but I explain I do my best. Uh so let's start with spinos because I think it's maybe most interesting topic. Uh so it was um approximately 3 weeks ago maybe four weeks ago when I just doing casual maintenance for backbone nodes for for Zano infrastructure and I noticed something strange uh strange connection strange behavior of some nodes. So I just uh was cur I was curious about like what what does it mean? how it's happen and so on. And I actually uh I didn't at first I didn't think about like spine or something like that because like you know Zano is been around for quite a lot time and like we maybe used to that everything is fine and like almost all time people just don't care about like what what's happening on technical side. So it for for us it it would be quite unexpected and uh I started to just figure out what what's happening why why I seen these strange results and after some uh research uh like after maybe couple of days I figure out that perhaps we had a sub network of spy nodes on the zan network that connected to other nodes that they tried they best to connect to as many nodes as possible and it like we we don't actually know for sure but it looks like that uh it was uh this the snow that trying to uh to gather there some information to harvest some information about block blocks propagating about uh IP addresses timestamps and so on and just to figure out uh what's going on on the network and to diminish network privacy in Zana. So we ended up actually um identifying approximately 24 24 nodes that were scattered around the world. Some of them in Europe, some of them in United States, some of them in South Africa. So we yeah like we actually were pretty sure that it was something like spineups and uh after that we discuss it with the team with pow with Andrew and how how should we treat it and like we brainstorm several options and we ended up by implementing uh block uh blacklist for the IP addresses. So people can now download special config and that config already contains all these spy nodes with listed and if you uh use this config you can be sure that none of this node can connected to your node. But this is I I I would like to highlight that this is uh temporary solution because of course uh these people who run these nodes can stop these nodes and run on different IP addresses and so on. So uh it was just like a fast fast solution just to mitigate the problem. uh and at the same time we are working and investigating a longtime solution uh for to to improve network privacy and to make uh unfeasible such such attacks in future. So it's I I don't I don't I'm not sure is it proper wording to call it an attack. It's like I think it's more like harvesting data. But this data can be can be used to identify some some information about the users at time from which IP address which block uh was sent and and so on. Right. Right. Yeah. That's correct. And um I mean on a positive note it also means that we have uh grown enough to be uh you know to be interesting to certain entities that want to spy on on people and extract some data from people. So uh yeah uh did you raise your hand Andre? Yeah I was wondering if it works. Uh yeah, I was just wanted to add something that um uh while has this great ability. He he probably spends so much time looking into log files. So whenever he look into log files, he's like narrow in the matrix. He can see there something that this distracting network and so he can figure out a lot of more information than like normal people do. So yeah, that's that was cool that he found this problem by just analyzing logs from the web box. That's that's just cool thing. That's what I wanted to add. Thank you, Andrew. I I would like to to highlight some some technicalities about like not not about the the way we figure it out, but about the how network uh privacy uh should be should be treated. We actually we recognize that uh in Zano we have some some room for improvement and one of the uh directions for improvement is network privacy and we we do care about that and actually we have some some plans uh on the table and we discuss it with since like in in the team and we have to like we have in the future we have to to come up with the solution that would be uh more uh robust, more stable, more beautiful than just a list of IP addresses that you you you have to black. And uh I think that this is actually important and actually this is not uh Zana specific thing. It's more or less related to every blockchain, every peer-to-peer network, I would say, because peer-to-peer network is entity that consists of peers and each peer should be connected to another and each activity that one peer is sending across the network can be tracked can be logged and then after afterwards can be used to analyze the this activity and in case of blockchains and especially in case of private blockchains can be used against the privacy of blockchains. So this is a common issue and there are several known approaches to how to handle this issue. So we we have working on this and in in future we will release uh some stable solution to to this and like at at this moment we we just we released um special config files. By the way I I have to say that uh Andrew actually did a great job. He implemented a feature that called uh manual config peer-to-peer manual config uh that can be used to set set um several peer-to-p peer-to-peer settings for Zano demon in one place in in a file JSON file and can be applied and reloaded even without the stopping the demo. So this is this is maybe interesting for for those of our users who are actually using uh zano zano demons on a node uh that is common line node may maybe on on a dedicated server or something like that. So and as uh another uh option we suggested uh the config that uh uses settings that your node if if the settings will be applied your zoano node will be connected only to zano backbone nodes. So not not to just normally when you start up Zo it connected to several nodes across the network and you have multiple connections but you can like you you always it always been there the such an option uh limit number of connections to certain nodes if you would like to and as an option uh Andrew implemented such a config file that actually limits the connection only to Zanab backbone nodes. It's just an option. It's not default. So you you have to download if you would like and and use it. And we have instruction on our site how how to do this. Uh and if you do care about the the privacy, if you if you're staking, especially if you if you're active staking, so you can uh consider this option. And actually this limit your connection to the zano backbone nodes. So zano zano backbone network will know this information about what like what blocks are uh sending an IP address but we obviously we can link IP address to uh just zano addresses and so on. Uh so we just you are limiting you are limiting this information inside the zonob network and whatever tell anyone we promise. Yeah. And whatever whatever like in so it it it can be like a middle time solution because whatever spinos will appear in future with whatever addresses uh whatever like connection policies and approaches to to to connect to the to the different nodes and to pretend to be a honest node. Uh it will work like as an as an option. So I I would say that if you are staking, if you are having a Zana node running on uh dedicated server, please consider this option or at least please uh ask if if you if it's not clear from my explanation. I I understand I'm not very good at explaining things. But uh at least please go to our discord channel or telegram channel and please ask for for additional info and uh our team will be glad to answer your question. All right, thank you. Um let's uh let's talk a bit about the remote uh that is on the road map for a long time. Yeah, actually this is my piece of cake. uh and uh this is this is a feature that long awaited feature and this feature requires some front end uh development work and back backend development work and backend development work is uh tied to me and like recently I quite busy between like analyzing spy node analyzing full chain membership proof mathematics and so on. So yeah, uh we should uh we should implement this, we should do this and it's it's if you would like to know who who to blame why remote note isn't there uh yet. So it's me. There's a lot of people to blame for this, including me myself, too. But there is there's also a huge amount of work. So yeah. Yeah, there's a UI developer. Uh, yeah, there's a lot of people. So, not only W. Right. Right. Um, yeah, I have a couple more topics on the list and I actually wanted to get into like community questions actually quite fast, but we actually been talking for half an hour already. So, I'm going to um welcome Aron Day already on the stage. I just saw you raise your hand as well. Hey Aron, can you hear us? How you doing? Hello. Can anyone hear Arl? Nope, I can't hear him. Okay, he's unmuted. Aron, I think you're having some uh mic issues. Anyway, uh let's continue. Um well, Aron is re rejoining. Um I want to talk a little bit about Zano trade which has recently been um open sourced because it's been audited properly or entirely I can actually say and uh soon the new UI update is also coming. Uh since Pavl is not here should I ask you? Can I say no? Well, who else? I mean, if you don't know anything about this because it's like completely PL's thing, then we can skip it for now. Yeah, I kind of don't know much. All right, no worries. And um I mean for the people that don't know um Zano trade was uh the only part that wasn't open source about uh Zano that's the decentralized exchange because we didn't know if it had any bugs because wasn't properly audited yet. So uh it uh it has been properly audited now and some of the bugs that were found have been patched and then the code was open sourced so people can now actually uh spin up their own versions of Zano trade which is pretty cool and uh the next update will include a new UI/UIX update which uh basically improves the usability of the Zo trade decks a lot because it's a bit clunky right now and not everyone it's not so intuitive uh people are used to centralized exchanges more so actually pushed an update where Zano trade now tries to like mimic how like the feel and you know of of a centralized exchange although of course it's on the back end it's definitely a decentralized exchange and peer-to-peer trade only. Um, but I'm really looking forward to this update because uh hopefully that makes Zano trade decks a bit more popular and it will be easier to trade for people. So, um yeah, that's just a quick update on that. We'll discuss it on the next episode when Povll is back. Uh let's let's let's see if I see Aon is back. Let's give it another try. Hey Aron, you hear us? We still can't hear you. That's That's too bad. Um meanwhile I see we actually have um it's also on the list of topics but I also see we got a question from Luca zone says hello team can we know how much BTC or ETH was wrapped via componential layer and uh actually you can anyone can you can go to zanostats.com And if you're on zanostats.com on the top right there's this new area that says TVL total value locked. And this actually has a lot of statistics new statistics like total value locked in all the combined projects, how many active tokens we have, the largest token, the volume on Zano trade. Um yeah, you can find all of that there. So you can actually see that um you know a couple grand in Ethereum was bridged, a couple hundred in B2C and B&B people just trying out the bridge you know see if if it works if they're not losing any funds which is you know very normal activity to see at the start um of any such uh yeah I mean it's it's very sophisticated technology right so um I think at the start people would bridge a small amount months and then as uh time passes the trust also grows. Um I believe confidential layer hasn't really started any marketing campaign yet either. So um that will also have a probably a bigger effect on uh on it but you can track it all via zanostats.com/tvl and uh all the statistics are there. So, it's pretty cool to, you know, just check in every once in a while to see um how it's doing. And uh you know what what jumps out is that Freedom Dollar is doing really really well almost at 3 mill $3 million uh in FUSD uh supply already, which is uh quite a lot if you I mean they started with 100,000 FUSD and it was like three months ago, two and a half months ago. And Bendit is in second place with like 100k market cap and then then all the bridgeable assets like ETH, ETH, BTC, B&B and D. So you can track it there. Um yeah. Uh in the meantime I have to give Aron another invite. Let's hope it works this time. I've invited you to speak. Uh, Aron. Yes. Hey, how are you? I'm well. How are you? Yes. Good. Good. Good to have you uh on Inside the Xanoverse. Have we have we actually ever invited you on Inside the Out? Maybe like at the first episode or something, right? I think I've been on before. It's been a while, but uh yeah, I think I've been on once. Yeah. Well, great. Great to have you again, man. Um Yeah. Have you um we were we were talking. I mean, did you did you listen to the Convo so far or Oh, yeah. No, I've been listening to everything. I just I don't I actually had to switch to my phone for some reason. My main microphone and everything wasn't working. But I've I've listened to everything and I I guess one thing I just wanted to ask real quick or make as a comment, how important is it for people to use a VPN and and to what extent does that help with this whole spy node issue? Um, can you hear me? I just switch mic again. Yes. Yes. But it sounds it sounds a little bit like your microphone is in your mouth. Maybe tries to keep some more distance. Okay, guys. I I try my best. Uh so yes uh using VPN actually helped and if uh you do care about your privacy we advise using a VPN and especially uh if you uh can do it in such a way that losing your VPN connection for some reason will broke your entire connection to internet. So there is option uh that some VPN providers has. I don't know how it like called and has different naming but it means that if you you uh can access the internet only using this VPN and no if something goes wrong you just have no internet connection. So this is important for privacy and if you can yeah please go ahead and it would would be a great midterm solution. I have a little bit uh a little addition to this. Um so uh VPN could be Yeah, please go ahead. Um um VPN could be different. For example, if you have your own VPN server, that is the best practice uh to use your own server and to use some open source software to build your own uh VPN. So you don't expose your data to third party. Uh if you do if you go this way it also have um the same actually the same problem because if you have your own server it stick to another IP address and all your blocks are actually related from this uh IP address associated with this VPN server. So whoever will be analyzing network they will they can associate uh kind of link I mean again if you don't use any of the configurations that we provided uh as a temporary solution if you just use plug-in VPN uh whoever will be uh collecting uh intelligence always on the network they can see that the the the blocks goes from the certain uh rate from this given an IP address. So they can estimate if they do this long enough they can estimate how much money is associated with or or hidden behind this IP address. So it gives you quite little privacy because okay nobody knows where you live uh by by using your direct IP address of your home but it's still somehow linked as a as something right. So uh I suggest also b beside this IP address is slowing down uh significantly slowing down your network connection and as your diamond working also using this VPN connection it slow down uh the processing it gives you more latency and I would so my suggestion is to use a configuration file instead of VPN because only configuration file with uh using zano nodes as a relay gives uh the maximum privacy and doesn't give you less efficient uh staking uh from what we can propose now and while was saying before of course we care about network level privacy and we will we will deliver in a in a few months something that will solve this problem or make it put it on another level. uh we we just don't have enough like resources do it like immediately right now right this second and also it's a process so we'll need some time to provide a better solution but for now I suggest as a best solution to use a configuration file with relay relay relays asana uh backbone servers uh secondary solution also blacklist uh uh identified uh by by team uh spy nodes or if you don't trust someone else if you have your own information also. And the the last option is using VPN which is not perfect from my perspective. Great. Thank you. Right. Right. Uh okay. We have been going like left and right with all the topics in today's spaces actually. U but that's all right. Let's um um let's let's talk about confidential layer because I think it is for most people the most exciting update that has happened this month. Um, so I mean maybe not for the for the devs here but especi but definitely for the people because uh this allows people to bridge their Bitcoin, Ethereum, B&B and also die onto the Zano blockchain. And uh I want to hear from Aon, have you tried this bridge yet? And what's your experience with it? Um I I did early on like right after it came out, but I'm going to do it again uh obviously soon and we you know you and I kind of walk through it. So it looks like it's actually a pretty straightforward process at this point and um you know I'm looking forward to onboarding new people to this. In fact, I'm doing a workshop tomorrow and I am going to talk about this and potentially show it to I I don't know how many people are going to be there, 100, 200 people uh to to walk through the process. It's a really important this is really important technology. People are not aware of the degree to which Bitcoin transactions are being tracked now through chain analysis. And now there's an entire industry of private investigators that are getting trained on chain analysis. So they're basically aggregating all these transactions. So now if you end up in a dispute with a business partner or a divorce or something like this, people are hiring these private investigators and they're just taking one of your, you know, public keys and then they're reverse engineering all of your transactions. And I I've personally seen um in the last four months, two people have come to me with a specific situation where they were on the opposite side of this where somebody was using chain analysis against them in a transaction. And and you're not even safe if you've never used an exchange because if you've done a transaction with somebody that perhaps the government came in and raided and then said to that, you know, to the raided party, hey, listen, you know, give us a list of who your counterparties are or, you know, we're going to add more more jail time. It turns out, I mean, that's happened more often than than people realize and all of that is kind of going into this shared knowledge base. So, confidential layer is a huge win for privacy and it's and it it really is helping to address what I think is one of Bitcoin's major pain points. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Um I I wish we we we've seen more assets being bridged so far but um I guess it's only normal that people are a bit careful at the start and and continential layer hasn't started their marketing yet. Um what I can say is that we also have like a little explainer video coming up about you know the process of bridging into the Zano blockchain how that basically looks like. Um and I also want to highlight that um confidential layer uh doesn't just stop at Bitcoin, Ethereum, B&B and die, right? those that's just the first stage and they're also going to integrate other major blockchains like Solana Ton or Avac or Bitcoin Cash u which I'm super excited about because especially like communities like Bitcoin Cash that are already bit more um aware of you know the the need for privacy the importance of privacy would would really love to use something like this I think and it will also um doesn't again it doesn't stop there because all the tokens on Ethereum all the tokens on AVAC all the tokens on basically any any blockchain that allows for tokenization those tokens can also be bridged to Zano right because basically you can tokenize anything with Zano's confidential assets so also tokens on EVM blockchains and that will be really really exciting because of course confidential layer has to like allow it and like you know activate specific uh tokens. But uh we could collaborate with other projects in the space that understand the need for like a private version of their existing assets for situations where they rather have some more privacy involved. Uh and then we could basically just partner with a bunch of projects, right? And uh promote it that way as well. I think uh it can be really beneficial for all the parties involved. So for Zano as a privacy blockchain for confidential layer of course as the bridge bridge enabler and um also for wallets that support it like bitcoin.com and edge wallet that um and and of course cake wallet also supports confidential assets but they they haven't haven't partnered with confidential layer yet to my knowledge but Edgewallet is very interested in that and Bitcoin.com wallet already has done that so they can probably expect a bunch of new users as well as time uh passes this. Well, one of the things I'm working on, I've written this very crude plugin for Woo Commerce that allows people that are using Woo Commerce, which I think there are 8 million merchants or something worldwide to to be able to accept Zano. And I need to update this plugin for a whole variety of reasons, but I want to update it so that you will be able to use Freedom Dollar and then all of the bridged assets through confidential layer to actually make purchases because that that's going to be something that's really going to unlock utility because right now, yes, you you can you can bridge these assets, but if you're able to then bridge them and then spend them um for day-to-day commerce, that's going to be another gamecher. So, I'm I've got that on the list and excited to be able to make that update soon. That's one of the things that is probably not even talked about much is the fact that once you bridge for example your Bitcoin into the Zano blockchain, you can use your Bitcoin for payments, but instead of paying the Bitcoin network fee, which is on the expensive side, you can just you just pay the Zano transaction fee, right? So actually assets like Bitcoin also become usable and spendable again because of the Zano transaction fee because it's a confidential asset on Zano instead of the Bitcoin network uh transaction fee. Exactly. It makes these assets spendable and cost effective. So it's a win-win. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I um I have something that is also very exciting to share. I can't I can't um mention any projects and names yet, but we recently uh were able to and a disclaimer on this is like um like as as long as we haven't announced it on our on our socials. It's not definitive. It's not official yet, but we're working on um partnering with a payment uh process or like a crypto payment card system you could say. Um, basically it's uh one of those um crypto payment cards that works with Mastercard. So you can basically top up your card with crypto and then spend it. Um but uh we're working on a deal with one of those parties uh so that there will be a crypto payments card that supports Zano. So you can then top up your crypto card with Zano. Um but not just Zano. uh in theory that also opens the door for topping up your crypto payment card with FUSD or BTCX or EIX and uh of course that's you know a bit too early to say about that because those uh assets would have to make a deal with this particular party themselves but in theory uh it's it's possible so uh I'm really excited about that because then you can actually top up uh your card for payments with with Zano and actually spend it, right? And the lower tiers of these car of this this card provider uh don't even require KYC. So, it means you will be able to spend Zano and hopefully also other assets on Zano uh in complete privacy because you don't have to do KYC for the card and uh but yet you're still able to spend it anywhere Mastercard is accepted. So, I'm very very excited about that. Um, and more will follow in the following weeks. That's great. I mean, that's definitely something I would want to integrate into workshops, too. That that will make it um much easier to onboard people and to start moving people into day-to-day transactions. Obviously, we want people to be using these peer-to-peer, but uh the ability to use debit cards is a huge bridge. And you know, even I still I mean, I still use a debit card for a lot of a crypto debit card for a lot of my transactions. So, this will be my go-to as soon as it launches. Yeah, same for me. I think this is actually also new information for uh PL and Andre. I haven't really told them yet. Or did you guys hear from Pavl? Uh, yep, we heard about this. That's pretty pretty exciting. Uh it's not news yet. It's news to come. But uh that's pretty exciting. And uh yeah, we actually I will spoil also something if you come to this. So we started to use uh FD uh a freedom dollar for uh inside the project for whatever payments we do. So it's also another use which is really really suitable for for the the team and yeah it's also kind of cool to use something and work with something uh that you build I mean uh freedom dollar built not by us but it's use our platform so that's just a great feeling as well not just practical but is also great feeling of achieving and something. Yeah. And just to explain people like I mean people use Tether and USDC a lot for crypto payments, right? Because it's uh it's it's a stable coin. So it's the most convenient way to pay people. But uh of course now that we have a privacy stable coin on our own blockchain, why wouldn't we use that instead? And now that especially now freedom dollar liquidity is um growing so much it actually became usable enough for us uh actually very usable. So uh yeah it's it's it's I mean I start to use it more and more as well uh for whenever I have to pay someone in um USDT or USDC I always ask you know hey you would you be open to accepting FUSD and then they're a bit skeptical like oh what is this and um I'd rather not but then as soon as you basically explain them that it's supported by bigger exchanges like Maxi and MEXE and that they can convert it literally oneonone. Uh they are fine with it of course. Uh and this way more and more people get introduced to freedom dollar and they also made aware of the the dangers of stable coins like USDT and USDC. So yeah, it's a great great way to spread adoption and of course it's also great for our ecosystem because um more Zo ecosystem gets used the better. So yeah, um meanwhile uh we're we've been live for almost an hour already. So and I see you actually there's quite some people here. So if you have a question for us uh feel free to uh you know post a comment uh under this uh spaces or uh leave a comment in our telegram group or our elements group or our discord channel. I am keeping an eye on all of them. So yeah, um Aron, can you um you've always been so active with, you know, promoting Zano, spreading the word for Zano. What's um what's what what does your schedule look like over the uh the following months? Uh so I've been working a lot on a couple of things over the summer. I'm writing a book called The Revolutional Betokenized, and then I'm updating my website and scaling up the podcast. And one of the things I'm going to be focusing on is actually going through and walking through all of the different use cases for tokenization. I think this is probably the thing that's the the least well understood. But with what just happened with the Genius Act and in the United States and what's happening with the Clarity Act, uh it's important for everybody to know that everything is in the process of being tokenized. So, a stable coin under the Genius Act is just tokenized fiat that is under the control of the US Congress and the Federal Reserve, which is not a good thing. This means a lot of financial surveillance and and frankly the ability for Congress to crack down on stable coins just like they do regular money in the US, which is already highly tracked and surveiled. And the Clarity Act is going to do the same thing for stocks and bonds and commodities. So in the future, your stocks, your 401ks, oil, you know, basically money represents about 5% of global assets and it's largely financial instruments and property and other things that make up the rest. But we're moving towards a centralized tokenization that could be centralized by third parties. So to me when I'm talking to people I mean the whole this is really about freedom versus technocracy and um you know kind of free will itself is at stake because once these centralized entities have that level of control over all of your assets then they can tie this to social credit systems and surveillance and everything else. And so the one of the main reasons I've been so fascinated and excited about Zeno is that Zeno essentially offers the solution to that. So everything that's being centrally tokenized has the potential to be tokenized on Zeno in a way that's private and decentralized and censorship resistant. And so uh so part of what I'm doing it the my events really kick up in the fall. So I've got another month although with that said I still have the workshop tomorrow but uh I have events you know starting September the 12th and then they're they're really ramping up. So, I mean, I expect probably every other week I'll be doing some sort of in-person event. And if I think about where the ecosystem has come from when I first started doing these workshops, when I first started doing the workshops, it was, you know, it was the Zeno mobile wallet and and that was it. And now we have, you know, an improved Zeno mobile wallet. We have Bitcoin.com, Edgewallet, Cakewallet, we have all of these different, you know, point of sale systems. We have freedom dollar, we have the uh Zano pay, we have confidential layer, and then one thing that I want to add to the workshop is is showing people the other kinds of things that they can build on Zeno. So to to try to, you know, help push creating more development in the ecosystem. And so I'm really excited about this because it's a night and day difference in terms of what we can show and and really on board people. And what you just mentioned with this debit card is actually going to be a gamecher. So people are going to walk out of there out of the workshop really empowered. are going to be able to start using Zeno in a variety of different forms on day one as opposed to you know originally the workshop was well here's here's you know here's a wallet here's some Zeno you create some tokens uh but stay tuned well the stay tuned has now actually been actualized so I'm super excited about all of the developments in the ecosystem and now we're really going to ramp up and show people how you know get people engaged in actual adoption Yes. Yes. We come from far. That is uh def that definitely can be said. Um and sometimes for me because I you know I I of course work for the project and work on it on a daily basis and sometimes think things are going slow but actually when you zoom out a little bit and you realize that uh one and a half years ago uh we didn't even have confidential assets in place. That was that was something that um that was that got introduced one and a half years ago. Right. So, and all the assets that have been introduced and and all those other updates have all come after that and all those wallet integrations as well. So, actually it's going really fast. Uh it's just that um you don't always realize that when you're so um dedicated to a project. Yeah, I think it's been phenomenal. I I mean it in I mean it's actually hard to keep up with all of the developments and that not that used to not be the case a year ago but now now there's stuff you know I don't I'm not even on top of all of it sometimes. I mean I know that I got blindsided by oh this did you hear about this project and this project like wow I didn't even know those projects were under development which is a really exciting thing. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Um and then we still have so many items on the road map as well, right? Um the project never seems finished or at least not for the next five years or so. I'm very certain. Yeah, kind of true. Uh I have also kind of like a backlog of tasks that I have to do like really quickly and this backlog only getting bigger and bigger. I like it getting more and more tasks that have to be done quickly instead of uh making it smaller and getting to the road actual road map. So yeah, we have a lot of a lot of load right now. Right. Right. Yeah. Um yeah, one one thing I I really think that would be really beneficial for us and I know it's you know it's planned for like next year at least that's hardware wallet support. I think people would love that especially for holding bigger amounts. Uh if you can have a hardware wallet for that I think uh that would be that would be fantastic for Zo. Yep. I agree with this. Uh-huh. But what is it um on the technical side that needs to change on Zanos before that before we can support such a such a thing? Uh not really much. There is not a lot of things because everything we have it's actually implemented basically in a proper architecture. So we just need a first of all we need to uh no one from us ever worked with a hardware wallet from the team. So we would need to hire someone to help us to who is familiar with API who is familiar with the just the way it it goes and uh there is no nothing that we couldn't do. We just need to allocate time and resource for this and uh just get it done. Nothing really special, nothing that would be really hard. Just need more time, more space. I I maybe maybe at some point we will be able to ask Dimma or Gerban to work on this as well. But beside the uh our work, there's going to be also integration fee, I guess, to get into some hardware wallets like the popular ones. Yeah. Yeah. I I know. I've talked to many of the popular ones and they charge ridiculous amounts of money forations in hardware wallets. Yep. Yep. I know. It's It's as ridiculous as centralized exchanges. I would uh I'm sorry. Go ahead. Oh, please go ahead. I just would like to add that uh hardware wallet support uh has quite a lot uh to be done in connection with upcoming and anticipating full chain membership proof uh support because of how uh actually the signing of the transaction is done using this full share membership group plus uh architecture. ure because you in this architecture we we actually don't know we we didn't uh decide it uh is it fully applicable to Zanov's uh assets but we hope to and still it's still in investigation phase you still may but uh if we follow this approach and which is likely uh this approach assumed that signing like ownership of the transactions and proving that uh the output that actually you are spending uh somewhere on the blockchain and you are not creating money out of the thin air is split in different proofs which which one of them is huge proof and another one is small proof and the that small proof uh could be like more more easily uh ported into the hardware wallet which is important step uh for hard drive wallet because of this size of the NI API uh that I using. So I think that probably we first will decide on the full share membership proof plus plus or just without plus just full chain membership proof support and our plans on implementing this and after that we will be more about the hardware. Fair enough. Fair enough. So basically what you're saying is full chain membership proofs are going to change so much about our architecture that we'd have to do it all again after we uh after we move to full chain membership proofs. Yeah, correct. Right. Right. Yeah, that makes that makes total sense. Fair enough. Okay. Um I haven't seen any questions so far. You guys already know everything about Zano. What the heck? Um, no. So, uh, I you can also come on stage if you want. Uh, if you have a question for us, you can just simply request to be on stage, but you can also ask a question via one of the chats. And yeah, if nothing is uh popping up then uh yeah, then I think we're we're going to end it soon. Unless you have uh anything that you wanted to ask Aron. Uh oh. Does he have audio issues again? Who? I'm good. Hey. Oh, okay. Great. Great. Ah, did you not hear my um I asked if you still had a maybe a question for us because nobody else has a question in the audience. Oh, I thought you asked if anybody had any questions for me. Uh, that's welcome to. Um, let's see. Do I have any have any qu I mean, not really. I think I I mean I have a pretty good I think I have a pretty good sense of of what's going on. Um so so I mean there's a general general question that that came up in Amsterdam just about quantum resistance and the threat of that in general to all of crypto. It's not even necessarily a zeno specific one but I don't know if that's you know the right conversation to to have here or not. I mean you can always ask maybe Andre or uh Andre or Val has something to say on the matter. I have nothing to say literally nothing like absolutely well it's I try to to to highlight some points it's a difficult topic uh it's still to my knowledge still unclear uh when uh the first logical cubit will be developed not not physical one that that is like actually uses a lot of noises and it's still still ongoing research but the only the first logical and after that we actually like this this direction this researchers they actually have to make uh thousands hundreds of thousands of them to to run coherently together to be able to uh break this control problem for elliptic curve but it's theoretically possible and uh some people think that we should prepare for this and I I think I agree with them uh so there there's some some directions uh at first first direction is to build some quantum resistance cryptography that will be uh will be difficult to to break even within the quantum computer and on the other hand uh is building some quantum resistant technology now. So the future attacker that will be look into like past of blockchains past of Zeno for for instance will not be able to get retrospectively get a lot of data from uh this and actually there's lots of things to be to be done and to be analyzed and to be researched and I have to say that uh to my knowledge the at least Um for like most cryptonote like projects uh if someone uh is knowing your address like address is a pair of two public keys and uh if if someone is knowing your address he or she's she knows these public keys and could assuming the access to a huge and fast quantum computer. In future, we'll be able to recover private keys for the for these public keys and uh uh after that it is possible to recover full uh blockchain history for instance and to spend coins. But as I previously said that science to my understanding maybe maybe someone will uh correct me but science now as very far from that point and it's it's not like we we we have like on step one and we need step 1,000. We even not at step one. So we at step zero and this step one is is still questionable. So is theoretical possible but no practical work actually done uh to to my knowledge. But this is good thing and we need to think about it and once we finish with hardware wallets and session membership proof I think we will actually will look into this uh and we'll think how how we can uh how we can improve uh Zano blockchain and actually this is this is kind of topic that u many projects looking into uh and I have to mention the research team from Monero. Uh so I think that like community uh maybe came up with a interesting solution or maybe affordable solution for a cryptonote like blockchain that could be adopted by other projects. So, so this is this is what everybody needs. So, hopefully together research researchers from different projects will come up with with something interesting. That's that's what I think about it. That's great. I mean, I was at this conference and I don't know if it's true or not. I mean, I I hadn't looked at quantum computing for a long time, but there's this quantum doomsdayclock.com website that has been following the trends in both, you know, the amount how fast uh Quantum has been developing as well as their ability to do error correction, which I guess has been one of the big issues with this. And they're claiming that we're about two years and six months away um from being able to to break uh Bitcoin encryption, which you know, again, is that true or not? I I don't know. But if it but if it is, that's actually not that far that far off. And it seems like I mean, if Zeno were, you know, ahead on this um or could implement it, then, you know, some you think about how important confidential layer might be in terms of allowing people to maybe bridge into Zano while they are, you know, fixing things on their own end. I Zeno could really be a lifesaver for a lot of a lot of blockchains in this regard. Yeah, I agree that is so it's extremely important to to to come up with some solution because uh a blockchain that has tokens and that has proven quantum resistance would uh would serve for for many projects that uh actually have they they assets on agree totally agree Maybe we uh will be able to hire someone who is capable of doing these specific things or or just maybe as as I said previously like community mind community researcher like together researchers from different projects came up this solution makes sense about um on coin Gcoin, coin market cap, you have these uh categories, right, of of crypto assets. And there is actually a category of crypto assets that claims to be quantum resistant. Is this just like I think no. Uh like not not every coin that uh say that it's quantum resistant actually it is. But uh for sure uh quantum resistant cryptography exist and it's it just more complicated. It has uh it's disadvantages but this topic uh has been researched for quite a long time like not yesterday. and uh some cryptography that uh that proven to be quantum resistant uh exist now we can use it now but uh I think that more difficult question about how to integrate how to migrate from like the current cryptographic scam that for instance cryptonote and zanum confidential assets and zan and zaranum uses It's uh more specific cryptography that will was crafted and tuned to serve for specific needs for our project. And this is uh not easily ch exchangeable. We we can just move out one block and put into another and call it day. So the the difficult part is this is migration and transition not not because of we don't know how cryptography and quantum resistant cryptography would look like. Yeah, this is a topic that definitely goes above my head. Um but yeah, I'm glad you guys are here for that. Um I just saw a message from a Zano meetup group who uh is doing the Zano meetups know that he's also the community member of the month. He says the Zano New York City meetup is tomorrow. So it means they're doing another meetup uh in New York City tomorrow, Tuesday, August 12th at 6:00 p.m. at Pub Key in the West Village. This will be our last meet up for a while as we take a break to build more of the ecosystem. So, if you've been meaning to come out, this is your chance. It's a casual no pressure hangout with good people who care about privacy, peer-to-peer technology, and financial uh freedom. So, yeah, if you're in New York, um they're hosting yet another meetup, uh Zo meet up tomorrow there. So, uh yeah, just if you happen to be in the area, go check it out. I'd say um any topics that uh you would like to discuss guys val Aron Andre anything that you would like to bring up before we wrap it up. I I'm good. Yeah, I'm good. I think we've covered quite a bit. Agreed. Yeah. Yeah. Um it it was a bit of a messy episode. We went left and right with a lot of topics, but um yeah, it definitely been uh very informative again. So um yeah, I hope everyone enjoyed this episode as well. Glad to see so many familiar faces again and also quite a bit of new faces. So uh yeah, thank you for tuning in. Uh, have a great day everyone and uh, yeah, hopefully see you at the next episode next month. All right, bye. Thanks everyone. Thank you. Yeah. Bye. Bye. Bye guys. Thank you. Bye. Bye.