here's another interesting thing that I found you need the other P are you going uh you going here or you going I'm going to go here yeah yeah here here's another interesting thing I found about about threes um so let's call 18 to 24 seconds on the shot clock let's call that early shot clock okay first six seconds of the shot clock um in 2014 2015 the average team for the season took 322 total threes in the first 6 seconds of the shot okay what is this you said 13 14 yeah uh 145 five teams attempted below 200 total threes for the season in the first six seconds of the shot clock yep um last season's data that number was up by 100 total threes basically 420 total threes yep uh half the league attempted 400 or more total threes in the first six seconds of the shot clock that's the other thing that has changed the most is when you get get a defensive stop and I don't care where the [ __ ] you are on the court when you get this stop where are people running yeah run wide that's all you he run wide to the three-point line that's okay right so these early early shot clock threes um you know what the offic average effective field goal percentage on that is same thing 55% really it's a good shot I I can't WRA I can't wrap my head around it if May am I too old school I want to say old school but am I too still like in my ways of okay hold on a second hold on I'm I'm gonna give you something here though pass shots I'm gonna give you something here though I'm gonna give you something you got guys running wide correct running run of the corner this is you with the ball yeah yeah this is Giannis with the ball yeah this is johnar the space what does that give you so much space early early attack there's a reason that you [ __ ] are averaging like 10 fast break points early attack yeah somebody told me I was second in Fast Break points the other day who who did we just play oh no it was uh it was Toronto yeah one of they players said man what the hell are you doing how are you second because they I think they played the night before so they had a walk through on their court and then as soon as in the court open I get on the court and one of their players like how the hell are you second and fast break points it's cuz this is where DLo is running dude and this is where Austin's running DLo like sto little he's he lik break he's break guy yeah he loves to break but definitely ruy AR yeah TP they definitely get into the corners so the volume of Threes yeah the volume of Threes because I we're talking about not all threes are created equal but in some ways the types of Threes that offenses are generating are creative equal corre they they have essentially the same value if we're looking at it through Analytics MH these type ofes have the same value the last one I want to get into before we get into just some ways to generate threes for catch and shoot guys the other one and I don't have the data in front of me right now but I looked it up in January is we've seen it James hard and ISO Luca and ISO Kyrie and ISO right the step back three the individual create Steph Curry the individually created step back three going back to the same tracking ERA last 10 years roughly 33% is the average value or you know average shooting percentage of a step back three 10 years ago now it's a little over 35% so it's gone up two percentage points Y and the volume has gone up mhm guys are able and willing Jason Tatum they're able and willing to take that shot not only more frequently but at a higher clip I'm trying to explain here why offenses are good offenses are good and very hard this shot is worth 1.5 more than this shot if you can make it if you can make it if you can make it so what happens when now the value of this versus the value of this versus the value of this so what happens when why do you think you guys Houston Rockets missed 25 or 28 straight threes have you seen it happen since I have not I have not how many did they miss in 27 27 straight threes 27 and they kept shooting them yeah I I it's not like all of them was only threo shooter it's not like they have [ __ ] five Craig Hodes on their team or five Steve Cs on the floor where that's all they can do is shoot threes they had guys that can Eric Gordon you can get into the paint James Harden you can get to the paint but you're you're making a valid point why you're making a valid point and I want to acknowledge your point you still have to be a basketball player you still have to read the game that's all you to understand that's all I ask time and score so there's a time and place where analytics yeah should be like get the [ __ ] out yeah okay there was a there was a coach that told me this year he's like you know he talks all the time about like man managing the game and he's he's over there and he's looking at the at the box score during timeouts and he's looking at how many threes have we made and attempted versus how many threes the other team has made it attempted what is their star player shooting from two MH what is the time and score do I need to double all of these things are being like equated or calculated in real time so it there is some game management involved it's not just like you tell them I need to shoot more threes is that what you is that what you're telling me you're doing fine you're doing fine but I would say this LeBron you guys your offense for the first part of the season was not a good offense no we couldn't shoot the second you started making threes yeah we couldn't you became a top five or six off but we always said like the the law of averages is going to even itself up the first month and a half two months we couldn't hit the side of a [ __ ] Cow's Ass from three-point we couldn't so you know but like you just said we're 29th in three points attempted but people are complaining why we're top five in free throw attempts cuz that's what we do I think there's there's every team you have to coach differently every team based on Personnel for sure absolutely the fact that all of a sudden DLo became a high volume high efficiency three-point shooter halfway through a season started back in January yeah that adds value to the offense for sure your free throw thing by the way I'm not going to get into the discourse right now about the foul thing but there are certain teams that foul more than others and there are certain teams that put pressure on the rim more than others for sure for sure and if you can not foul and you can get to the free throw line that creates an advantage in the same way yeah that making and taking more threes mhm versus making and taking less threes creates in Advantage well I mean mikee Danton was on to something he knew before this [ __ ] even got cracking like it is now oh give Daryl M give give Daryl some credit I went in give Daryl some credit I went in for a shoot around one year this is like early early stuff right and like this is public so like it's not like but I just remember going into do a shoot around one year and for some re oh I know what it was Keith Keith let me use the uh the cold tub yeah in their locker room and uh after shoot around and I go in and I walk by the locker room and had like LED boards above their locker with like their true shooting percentage like all that [ __ ] and I was like oh man just a constant reminder whether or not you suck or whether you're good that's amazing get your ass on the practice court right now and get some [ __ ] shots up all right that's funny hey guys thanks for listening thanks for watching mind the game podcast if you like it please hit that subscribe button thank you [Music]