All right, joining us on Hot Copy this morning, we have with us Senate Deputy Minority Leader, Senator Risa Ontiveros. Senator Ontiveros, welcome back to Head Start. Thank you, Karen. All right, let's talk about two issues here.
One, the not-so-curious case of Alice Goh today that has been solved. Number two is the issue of Pogo itself. So let's start with Alice Goh.
What can be done with Alice Goh given that the fingerprints as revealed by the NBI have shown that she is the same person as Guo Huanping. Am I right? Yes.
Guo Huanping. Yes. One and the same person affixed both sets of fingerprints.
The fingerprints of Guo Huanping in her passport and as proven by the special investment resident visa filed by her mother, her seems to be known mother years ago, and her fingerprints in her NBI clearance. So in addition to the what can be done that government is already doing, for example, the case for qualified trafficking in persons, a non-bailable offense, if it is accepted by all of government that she... filed her certificate of candidacy under false pretenses, then either one of the two processes outlined by Comelec Chair Garcia in a previous hearing yet could get underway and she can be removed as mayor. And depending on which process is used, either the vice mayor will replace her or the one who came in second in the mayoral race. Dagdag pa doon.
If all these cases are filed against Mayor Alice Guo or Guo Hua Ping, she can be deported. But even before she may be deported to whichever country she will be deported to, she must first serve her sentence here in the Philippines. If she is convicted and sentenced to any of the cases that have been filed or will be filed against her.
Oh, and there's also... a kuwawaran to case that the Office of the Solicitor General said they would soonest file against her. Okay.
What about her lying under oath? It's so interesting that it was actually the fingerprints that revealed her identity. So in the Senate, hindi daw niya maalala nung una kung sino nanay niya. Nung na-interview ko siya, kasambahay daw ang nanay niya. So it was...
a series of lies non-stop. Will she be penalized for lying under oath in the Senate? She will be penalized for a different offense which is not attending the hearings because she didn't receive our invitation in the last hearing.
So the committee subpoenaed her as well as the seem to be other members of her family. her known father, her known mother, three known siblings, and actually a quite long list of other personalities na inimbita namin at hindi sumipot. Kaugnay man ng Pogo Hab sa Bamban or kahit sa Porak, Pampanga.
And pag hindi pa rin niya sinunod yung Sabpina then, as I warned her, I will cite her in contempt. At dapat alam niya kapag na-cite siya in contempt ay possible siyang madetain na sa Senado. Ubod na lang ng kortesiya on our part previously, Karen, dahil ang unang pagkakilala namin sa kanya ay kapwa manggagawa sa gobyerno na hindi ko siya earlier pa si Knight in contempt.
Talagang binigyan ng lahat ng palugi to tell the truth but now, in the face of this incontrovertible evidence para siya itanggalin yung galing sa NBI fingerprint matching... Kailangan na talaga niyang sumipot at sumabayos. But clearly, she is a foreign national. She lied about her nationality, her ethnicity, and she ran against the law. Yes.
Apparently, she or her father initially committed identity theft. Hindi lang dun sa kaso ng mga Pinay na inilista ng walang kamalay-malay bilang shh. co-incorporators uh dun sa pogo hub sa bamban pero guo huaping has been shown by the nbi to be not a filipino national sa pagka paniwala namin isang chinong national anak ng dalawang chinong magulang nagkunwaring pilipino para proteksyonan isulong at proteksyonan ang pogo at yung iba't ibang mga krimen na ginawa under cover of the pogo Because actually deporting her would be favorable to her. Right. That's why I asked the DOJ, the Interagency Council Against Trafficking, she won't just get a free pass through a deportation to whichever country she'll be deported back to.
If she's convicted here and sentenced, she will have to serve her time here in the Philippines first. Okay. Now, do you have information on where she is, Senator? Because this might end up to be another Apollo Kibuloy.
Somebody can hide him. Wag dapat, ha. So as far as we know, also from the Bureau of Immigration, hindi siya umaalis sa bansa mula nung ilabas nila yung Immigration Lookout Bulletin Order. Unfortunately, it seems na yung dalawang magulang niya ay una nang umalis bago i-issue yung... ilbo.
Pero as far as we know, Mayor Alice Guo or Guo Hua Ping and her siblings as well are still in the country. Kaya walang dahilan na hindi siya makasipot in person sa susunod na pagdinig. Okay.
So the other issue now is Pogo in general. The issues of Pogo. So it's been revealed that clearly, if there was narco politics, there is Pogo politics. Right?
Alice Goh running to make sure she protects the interests of POGO in Bamban. And now Pagko revealing a former cabinet secretary lobbying for a POGO license. Other politicians asking, please grant this license, please grant this license. So mukhang yung web ng POGO, the web it has cast over what you very correctly call POGO politics. Hindi lang malalim, halimbawa dito sa kaso ng Bamban, seeming to have been laid, its plans been laid over many years, hindi lang biglaan.
Pero malawak din itong web na ito. Aside from what I expect Pag-Court Chair Tengco to reveal in the next hearing, dahil inimbita na namin sila as well as former Pag-Court officials, inimbita na namin si Chair Tengco and I fully expect him to reveal sino yung sinasabi niyang. dating cabinet official o iba pa na nagpapadrino para dito sa mga POGO na ito.
This POGO and POGO Politics Web is also wide in the sense that lumalabas na sa mga hearing namin, hindi standalone POGO operation yung sa Bamban. Apparently, it also has links with the POGO Hub also raided by PAOC in Porac, Pampanga. At yung interlocking directorate doon, yung unang lumalabas na facilitator noon, si Dennis Cunanan, na dating TLRC official at may conviction para sa corruption.
And yung pinaka-recent na raid ng PAOK sa Pogo Hub, doon naman sa Sun Valley Clark. Grabe, mukhang may interlocking directorate din doon. So, diba, how deep and how far?
Does this web of Pogos and Pogo politics go? Chair Tenko has to reveal that important piece of information. Okay.
But Senator, don't you think that number one, the real reason why government officials are lobbying for the granting of the license of certain Pogo operators. Let's be honest, Pogo is legal in the Philippines, a government agency granting the license. So therefore, these government officials feel, this is not illegal.
This is legal in the government. And it was Duterte who set the first bad example about that. Because during his administration, Pogo's policy was practically open-door policy.
And his associates in Pogo. And yes, the PagCorp was given a mandate to issue licenses for Pogo. Now they are changing the instrument.
They are issuing an IGL, an Internet Gaming License. But wait a minute, they were the ones who ran and all the Pogo facilitators. Because several Senate investigations were shown by several Senate committees, including the Senate Committee on Women, this past app.
na taon na lahat ng mga rosy promises ng Pogo sa simula na pako. Ang laki ng pakakautang pa nila sa buwis sa gobyerno. And it has spawned, talagang spawned, a host of evils against our citizens and our society.
So kaya tigilin na rin yung pag-distinguish di umano sa mga legal Pogo daw. It's not legal, right? Kasi dahit yung mga so-called legal Pogo, eh, nanganganak ng napo.
Napakaraming iligal. No? So, That takes away the reason or the excuse for anyone past or present in government to sponsor this vile industry na mukha talagang sobrang interconnected sa mga criminal syndicates pa.
So let's talk about Pogo itself. Bamban, Zunyuan Technologies, technically, there were two Pogo hubs there, am I right, or only one? Just one. But before, there was only one.
ang pangalan niya ay Hong Sheng. Noong kunang na raid last year, they simply apparently changed their names and continued operating in defiance of the suspension by Pagcor of the license of Hong Sheng. So, parang same dog new collar, naging Zunyuan lang siya. Oo.
So, for example, that Pogo in Bamban, it was granted a license. That Pogo in Porac, Lucky South 99, it was granted a license. Simply because, one, in Porat, you have 46 structures. Alam nga naman, gumasto sila.
Magtayo ng napakaraming buildings na walang lisensya ng PagCorp. Ang tanong ko, what about PagCorp's responsibility? Is it just about granting a license? Is PagCorp tasked to monitor, to visit, to check the operations? Definitely.
Definitely. Kaya tama si... I agree with Sen Sherwin. The Pagkor is not off the hook yet. He can't just say he'll just look at the four corners of the documents.
No. For example, in the case of Bamban, even Mayor Alice Guo or Guo Huaping as mayor, he issued a mayor's permit for the three floors of Pogo operations. Second, third, and fourth floors of one building. So don't tell me during her watch, don't tell me under the eyes of the mayor. Pagcor na nag-issue ng original na license, hindi nila pareho napansin na it was all floors of many buildings at hindi lamang three floors of one na nag-ooperate ng Pogo.
In the case of Pagcor, dun mismo sa Bamban, meron silang mga apat na on-site representatives na dapat nag-i-inspect. Anong ginagawa nila all that? time supposedly if i remember dun sa investigation namin sa pogo hub sa pasay supposedly twice a month nag-i-inspect sila so ano nangyari don't tell me hindi nila nakita lahat ng pogo at lahat ng mga krimen laban mismo sa mga nagtatrabaho dun all the time the pogo hub was operating uh in bamban and kahit yung ano uh Kahit yung bona fides ng mga inilistang co-incorporators, si nakawawang Merly Ocampo at yung tatlo pang Pilipina, I'm sorry, Merly Joy Castro, and yung tatlo pang Pilipinang, apparently without their knowledge, inilista bilang Filipino incorporators nung Hong Shen Gaming Technology.
Eh sabi ni Ms. Merly, siya'y dating, nagbebenta ng pagkain sa palengke ng Concepcion Tarlac. Naging BPO worker siya at ngayon naglalako ulit. At yung tatlong babaeng yun na nakalista rin, mga nakikita lang niya sa palengke din nagbebenta ng gulay or agahan, inihaw na manok. So, hindi ba chinek ng pagkor yan?
Pinapuntahan pa nga ni Sen Sherwin yung staff niya sa mga addresses ng mga taong iyon. Wow, Karen, their houses are so simple, not the houses of Pogo operators. So, Pagcor has a lot to ask for in addition to the identity of the former cabinet official mentioned by Chair Tenko. Yes. So, it appears that in a way, Pagcor is negligent, remiss, and really just giving off licenses.
to Chinese nationals that they probably know, but not checking the incorporators. There was no physical or face-to-face meetup with any of them. Possibly no real, you know, what you call that, due diligence on the identities and bona fides, not only of the co-incorporators, but the main, like the members of the board and the officials. They should have seen this... Mayor Alice Guo or Guo Huaping.
At yung mga ibang kasosyo niya, Karen, two who are now the main suspects in the biggest money laundering case in Singapore. And another one, Huang Ziyang, the only one Mayor Alice Guo or Guo Huaping admitted knowing personally and dealing with. Ano pala, Pugante sa China. He's wanted for cases there.
And nakatakas lang siya sa pag-aresto ng paok nung huling raid sa Zunyuan. So... Who are these people she's dealing with? Who are these people Pagkor was dealing with? Another issue, for example, Lucky South 99 in Porac, Pampanga, a 10-hectare pogo compound.
PAGCOR claims that their license was, I think, revoked. Was it 2023, Senator? That's the case for Bamban, so possibly also for Porac. Pero ang tanong, itong Porac, they kept operating. So doesn't PAGCOR send people there to check if they're operating?
No. Nung tinanggalan ng lisensya, didn't PAGCOR contact the PNP? I ano na yan?
I kandado na yan? I mean, is PAGCOR just issuing, for example, a document, revoke ka na pero haya, wala na? In fact, PAGCOR told us in a previous hearing na in total, they had issued 200 plus POGO licenses before. They had suspended 190 plus pero hindi nila masabi ilan doon ay sumunod talaga.
and some just denied the suspension and continued. Like Hong Sheng, who just renamed himself as Zunyuan, continued, it had nothing to do with the suspension of the Pagkor. And speaking of the PNP, in fact, it was the PNP, Municipal Police Chief first and then the provincial PNP, who twice, last year and this year, requested that there be an inspection by the LGU of the Pogo Hub in Porac.
So why wasn't that done? Well, we've started asking questions about that in the hearing and we will continue in the next one. And I don't know, I hope we can show some of the videos, but our reporter Zian Ambrosio was able to get torture videos of different employees, Chinese nationals. considering the xenophobia to some degree that's going on you realize that the chinese nationals themselves are victims too right so there's a video i don't know if we can show them but there i know they're blurred of a woman who was naked nakatali another man with a baseball bat Sabi nga ng PAOK, horrific yung mga testimony ng mga Chino din na biktima ng torture and probably of human trafficking as well doon sa Porac.
Horrific yung mga videos kasi yung mga torturers daw in whose quarters were found many torture instruments. May videos sila ng mga biktima nila sa mga cellphone nila na parang pinagyayabang pa nila itong pag-torture. And indeed, This is not at all about xenophobia or racism kasi nga daan-daang mga Chino din ang binibiktima sa mga Pogo Hubs nito. Nire-rescue din ng paok, tinutulungan din naming lahat na makaalis sa ganyang horrific nga na sitwasyon. And I recall Karen dyan sa Porac, sa Pampanga, may misteryoso pa rin and this was pointed out by the previous.
chief of police apparently may tina pundana sham na ta o patay na sila no manga da you hun in pora supposedly Hindi Delta Garan supposedly Hindi doubt galing dun sa lucky star 99 pero na it at anum talaga sancilla galing at galing ba sila dun sapo go up because if you put two and two together it on my horrific torture oh and the naked woman, there was also a naked woman na inupload ang video at photos niya. Binibenta siya in prostitution. So, alam mo, yung these crimes and suspected crimes, hindi unreasonable isipin. Lahat ba yan tahid sa Pogo Hub at sa Pogo in general? So, it's Pogo politics and it's Pogo crime, probably.
Yeah, and the irony is the very thing. that we don't want our OFWs to suffer, right? We are upset as a country when an OFW is tortured, right? We tend to death.
The passport is withheld. As a country, we're against it. And it's being tolerated and happening in our own country to other nationals.
Yes, because it looks like Angpogos are so intricately tied in with human trafficking in both ways. Noon, ang iniinvestiga namin human trafficking na mga Pinay at Pinoy palabas kung saan nilalabag yung mga karapatan nila. And here we see, there is also inbound human trafficking. Ilang iba't ibang dayuhang nasyonal ay narescue na sa mga Pogo Hub.
Mga Chino, Vietnamese, Malaysian, may nakilala kong isang Middle Eastern na babae, may Eastern European na mga babae. So, ano, bad news talaga. For those trying to diminish and eliminate human trafficking. Because the Pogo Hub is a hub of different crimes, but not human trafficking. Yes.
And actually, the Pogo Hub is using its legal cover, its license to do illegal things. I'm a senator, right? So, for example, you have Bamban at 7.5 hectares, you have Porac at 10 hectares, Island Cove is at 13 hectares. So... That is the largest pogo compound in the Philippines.
And the PAOC has said they've never entered Island Cove. Apparently, a lot of these pogo hubs and pogo offices or businesses, they are unable to enter. They were only able to enter these two hubs because of an arrest, a search warrant granted by the court. Pero on a regular day, they cannot just come in, monitor, check, etc. And that's why the exemption of Pogo Hubs, including the PORAC that we discussed earlier, in the entry and inspection of duly constituted authorities, is another reason why, overall, even beyond this particular investigation, the Senate has already called through a committee report of the Senate Committee on Economic Affairs under its previous chair, Sen. Sherwin, and I signed that committee report.
Palayasin na ang POGOs within three months. That was the recommendation of that committee report. And I assure you, Karen, pag natapos na namin itong investigasyon, na isulat ang committee report ng Committee on Women Against POGOs, number one recommendation din, palayasin na ang POGO.
Even before that, I've called on the president a few times. And the National Security Council, pag usapan na ninyo yung tanong, are POGOs a threat to national security? And if so, the executive and the chief executive is the quickest office which can act on kicking out the POGOs. Yung isang mabuting balita ay yung PAOC will be giving a briefing to the NSC. So sana tulad sa amin sa Senado, makumbinsin din ang NSC at ang presidente mismo palayasin na ang POGO.
If and when. When that happens, Karen, kahit sa ang bahagit ng Pilipinas, kahit sa sino-sino pa ang sinasabing konektado dyan, mapapaalis ang Pogo at dapat lang. So two questions on this before we go to a commercial break.
Why do you think is the president silent on Pogo? Really? Considering backcourt chair Altenco reported, I believe it was in the Senate, that Pogo revenues 2023 only amounted to 5 billion. It's not so dramatic, right? We're not talking about 100 billion pesos here of revenues where you could lose sleep.
This is 5 billion pesos collected from Pogo last year. That's all that was collected. What do you think is the factor?
Considering you have the president who's a staunch advocate of the West Philippine Sea. He stands against China's bullying on the West Philippine Sea. But with Pogo, why isn't the president speaking?
I really don't know what he's waiting for, Karen. You know, when you said that it's only 5 billion pesos from their many rosy promises back then, their debt to the government is so big. And then when you put into the balance all the... social and now political, political costs of Pogo, eh sobrang halos wala ng benefit pa na'y cost, cost, cost sa Pilipinas. So yeah, you're right eh.
Kung unequivocally kaya niyang mag-push back sa China on the West Philippine Sea issues, bakit parang nagfu-foot dragging dito sa Pogo? Okay, kung merong timing siyang hinihintay or meron pa siyang tinitimbang, pero There were several Senate committee investigations that were done. Previously, the Committees on Labor and Economic Affairs.
And now, after four years of investigation by the Committee on Women about Pogo-related prostitution, illegal recruitment and detention, the Pastilla scam. And now, human trafficking, cyber scamming, money laundering, and the possible espionage angle. And then, the sale. pagkakumodify ng Filipino citizenship.
So ano bang iniintay ni Presidente? I really hope he will speak sooner than later decisively against Pogos. Kasi it's a clear and present danger na nahahayaang mag-persist dito sa ating kalagitnaan. Senator Onteveros, just very quickly, you saw in that press conference, former President Duterte said he knew. where Apollo Kibuloy was hiding.
He said he knew. Does that break the law? Is that complicity?
I mean, Apollo Kibuloy is a fugitive. Authorities are looking and hunting him down. And here's a former president to say, I know where he's hiding, but I won't cooperate. A former president na abogado pa, Karen, e karaniwang mamamayan nga, alam mong may warrant yung tao, tapos tinatago mo. That's some kind of complicity, it seems.
Now, I'm just curious because you do have colleagues as well, ironically, tolerating Apollo Kibuloy hiding from the law, right? Well, I don't know if like Duterte, they know where he is. Pero at least wala naman sa mga colleagues ko nagsasabing sinisikreto ko kahit alam ko.
Iba talaga si Duterte. And sooner or later, one of the three warrants will catch up with Kiboloy. Sooner or later, yung umaandar na apat na kaso sa US will catch up with him. Pag nailagay pa siya sa red list ng Interpol, hindi lang iisa na law enforcement authority ang hahabol sa kanya. Okay.
Now, let's move on to the announcement of former Vice President Sara Duterte, saying essentially that three Dutertes will be running for the Senate. What was your initial reaction? My initial reaction was, I didn't hold back. I posted a photo of a selfie saying, these are my three. Okay.
All right. They're like that. pinaglaluroan talaga yung utak natin.
So beyond what they say, and parang may sayaw, diba? One will say something, the other one will say another thing. Beyond what they say, ang obserbahin natin at intindihin what they do. But then technically speaking, I mean, we've discussed this, I think, many, many years ago.
Aren't they able to do this? Because there are really family members sitting in the Senate. I mean, I actually raised the alarm during the very, very first time, which was former First Lady Loy Ejercito and Jinggoy Estrada sitting together. That was all because there are only 24 senators and there are so many Filipinos who can take that seat, right? But you have right now two villars, you have two ejercitos or estradas.
And then at one point, there were going to be two Binays, except Jejumar didn't make it. Two Cayetanos. So if you're a Duterte, you're saying, well, this is not new. There are two of them, they're already sitting there. And well, Duterte has built their own dynasty in Davao City, until the country, until the House, until the office of the Vice President.
And now, it's really... And I do remember, Karen, we talked about this years ago even. Years ago.
Almost 40 years, yung utos ng Constitution sa atin to pass an anti-dynasty law. Unfortunately, human psychology, nobody legislates against interest. At sa ating Kongreso, overrepresented talaga yung mga dynasties. Hats off sa ating mga kabatahan at estudyante because it's only they, through the SK Reform and Empowerment Law, who have a law. na may anti-dynasty provision.
Pero vicious cycle ito eh. Habang meron overrepresented ang mga dynasty sa ating gobyerno, when will government ever obey the constitution and pass an anti-dynasty law? So we have to approach and attack the problem from different vantage points. And tignan kung saan tayo magkaroon ng crack sa wall na iyan. Alright.
Now moving on to the change of leadership. in the Senate. I mean, I know you are with a minority, but at one point you had some members of the majority, the leadership, who were thinking of joining the minority. What did you think of that? Well, that happened, yung change sa Senate leadership, just before we adjourned.
And kami nung minority leader ko, si Sen. Coco, we abstained kasi yun talaga yung unequivocal signal namin na gusto namin manatiling minority to fiscalize and to check and balance. And over this magiging two-month adjournment, ayun, nakarinig nga kami ng iba't-ibang pag-iisip or pag-consider ng plano ng iba't-ibang grupo sa loob ng majority, including that early possibility na yung bahagi ng dating leadership were considering joining us in the minority. Pero I think I read just two. Very recently na mananatili sila sa majority.
That won't be new for the Senate. Maaring may supermajority pa rin pero within that, iba't-ibang bloke, which are also checking and balancing each other. So excited akong... mag-resume ng session sa 22 nitong buwan.
And for sure, Sen Coco and I will continue our role as the minority. Okay. Is it, at one point, Attorney Harry Roque said, with Vice President Sara's resignation in the cabinet, she is the new opposition? Oh.
Medyo. Diba may stun silence? Hindi, biro lang.
Ang opposition, Ibig sabihin, inututulan mo at gusto mong baguin yung sistema. Hindi yung isang paksyon ka lang sa administration. Or a power block. Or you're a different power block.
Yeah, if you're just a different power block, but you just want to get back into the saddle, at gusto mong ikaw ang magkokontrol sa levers ng kasalukuyang sistema, hindi mo naman binago noon, sigurado hindi mo babaguhin sa future, hindi ka oposisyon. Hindi yan ang definition, hindi yan ang nature ng oposisyon. Okay, let's talk about the Liberal Party. I did ask Attorney Laila de Lima about this. Is the Liberal Party, has it passed its time?
I wanted to ask that because you have Vice President Lenny Robreno, the former Vice President. When she ran for president, she ran as an independent, right? And then I don't know if she runs for Naga as mayor, if she's running under LP.
But Bam Aquino is an interesting case. He's running for the Senate, but not under LP. So, is there still help to run under LP or should there be a new opposition party? Well, I can't speak for LP, Karen, because I'm from Akbayan.
Although we're coalition partners with LP since 2009, and some other parties now, and I... nasa oposisyon or wala sa administrasyon. Laila, Sen Laila is the best to speak for LP because she is their party spokesperson.
But as I understand it, for example, in the case of Sen Bam, he formed a new party and he told us, he told the public, I think also here on your show, in an interview with you, it's a new party of younger politicians. So a very important demographic in our society. And at the end, uh electorate second decision and bawat uh dating mamba batas or uh long-standing or mga bagong partido ang importante and this is what i've been working on with them in the past two years ang importante sana ay to you know come up with fresh and really alternative offers to our kababayan and to our voters midterms next year at general elections ulit in 2028 so siyempre ako bilang partidista bilang founding member ng akbayan and akbayan forever tingin ko laging may halaga may ambag ang mga partido it's a challenge especially nga with that younger demographic no young people pati gen z na they're not as in love with parties uh as my generation is so we have to find new forms of organization and education and mobilization, kahit sa eleksyon, na makaka-attract dyan sa malaki at influential na demographic na yan.
So my last question is because by 2028, the opposition has to field a presidential candidate. And most likely you're in coalition with the Liberal Party. You'll probably have other groups wanting to join the opposition. coalition, but probably LP will take the lead, most likely, right?
Well, for now, who knows if something bigger comes up in the next few years. But there are talks, you have some sectors I've been hearing who want you to run for president in 2028 for the opposition. Are you considering running?
I'm not considering running yet. But what I am 100% considering is that the opposition will run candidates for president, vice president, and across the line. That is what I have been working on the last two years and we will continue to work on it until next year in the midterms and the next four years until 2028. We will continue to strengthen. Para by 2027, pwede kaming mag-usap, okay, sino-sino ang itatakbo natin para sa aling-aling posisyon.
And by then, we should be in that position of strength na seseryosohin, hindi lamang ng administrasyon, pero seseryosohin ng ating mga kababayan at ang ating mga botante. Whether it be in a position or independent, anumang pangalan ang gagamitin namin. But we will be something different.
and something better for our fellowmen. That's what I can assure you 100%, Karen. Alright. So if you're going to make the announcement, we have to hear that.
Yes, of course. Soon we will announce the candidates we will support for the Senate next year. But you don't have a field anymore. I'm curious.
Well, I'm still hoping. You don't have a field anymore. You'll just support.
Of course, field. Field and support. So we will announce this year yung mga kandidato namin for next year. And by 2027, I intend that we will make an important announcement for 2028. Okay. Do you have a few names at least?
I mean, of course, Shell Diokno, Pamakino, those are obvious. Laila Dilipa isn't running, she said. But do you have, she might, for the Senate?
Well, you know, Laila, her unique position now is a sweet generis. Whatever she decides, the pursuit of justice for the EJK victims, and for herself, or running, Laila is a winner. Okay, my last one. What about Lenny Robredo? You know, some have said she should run for the Senate, but at one point she mentioned she might do mayor.
Well, again, just like Laila, Ano man ang maging desisyon ni former VP Lenny, winner siya. And she will remain an important part of our political scene next year and all the way up to 2028. So bahagi ng malawak na oposisyon. On that note, Senator Riza Ontiveros, thank you for joining me today. Thank you, ma'am.