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Investing Insights on Unlisted Stocks

Hi, everyone. Welcome to today's video. So  recently, I sold almost 70% of my holding on   Zomato, and a part of that money I have rotated  into Swiggy. Why? Because Swiggy and Zomato are   similar type of companies. I feel that valuation  of Swiggy is much better compared to Zomato as   of now. Now, a natural question might be coming  into your mind that, Hey, how did I buy Swiggy?   Because once you go on your Upstox Zerodha Groww  account, you don't see Swiggy. So how did I end   up buying it? Can you do the same? The short  answer is a yes. Should you be doing it? The   answer is it depends. And for that, you need  to watch this entire video. Please watch it   carefully. This channel is for serious investors.  It's not like a recommendation-oriented investors,   and then drop off. No, you have to understand  these type of videos systematically. I'll try   to explain the entire logic in very simple  words. And the first key point that you need   to understand is the difference between listed  and unlisted companies and why for some investors,   it makes sense to buy unlisted stocks.  For example, if you consider Zomato,   now if you go and open your Zerodha Groww  account, you can easily buy Zomato, sell Zomato. Now, this is a listed firm. And how did it get  to this point? Well, it goes through different   stages. For example, when Zomato would have  started, it would have started really small.   So that stage is called a seed stage. This is  stage one. Then after that, it did something   called a Series A, B, C. You have a bunch  of investors, mostly VC, venture capitalist,   who keep on pouring more and more money in a  company like zomato, and the size of the company   keeps on growing. And why would these companies  or VC funds pour money into something like Zomato?   Because they are getting something called as  equity. Equity, what's equity? Equity, it's stocks   in this company. There's a lot of companies,  like PayTM, you can list them and tell me   who are the VC investors in Paytm. This  is a small quiz for you guys. Similarly,   there are like light speed ventures and  whatnot. And these type of companies go and   invest in these type of startups and keep  on growing the size of the company. Now,   at certain point in the company,  at certain point in the company,   the size of the company. Now, at certain point  in the company, the company becomes really big. And then what happens? Then the game gets,  bringing it to retail investors. Now, retail   investors, there is a process called as IPO.  Just before the IPO, there is something called   as DRHP. Drhp is a prospectus.Zomato released as  well. This DRHP is like a kacha chhita or a report   on the entire functioning of Zomato, its previous  financials, all that stuff. And this is prepared,   then Sevi reviews it, and then finally it  gives permission.. And once the company IPOs,   it becomes a publicly listed company. You can go  and buy these stocks as a retail investor. And   then. You buy and sell these stocks on everyday  basis. So this is the journey just helping   you understand through the chart, and then I'll  explain you what unlisted stocks are. For example,   this journey that you're seeing here is the  post-IPO journey. In fact,. It has become a   publicly listed company, and you can buy and  sell this talk at any point in time. So this   was the entire thing. And I bought this talk  somewhere here. I gave a complete analysis   of this on my YouTube channel also, community  also. And. I have almost made 150, 160% gain. And I have sold almost 70% of this stock.  Why? Because I feel that the valuations are   a little bit expensive now, and there is a better  opportunity in Swiggy. Now, what type of company   is Swiggy? Well, it is an unlisted company. Now,  why is it an unlisted company? And why am I saying   that Swiggy's valuation is better than something  like Zomato?. For example, you need to know a   little bit of history about Swiggy and Zomato.  So when Swiggy was roughly a $5 billion startup,   what was the size of Zomato? Well, the Zomato size  was also close to $5 billion. Now, guess in 2024,   where is the story? Well, Zomato's  valuation is close to $23 billion. Now,   what is Swiggy's valuation? Swiggy right now in  the unlisted platform is getting sold between   $11 billion to $13 billion. So almost.  Now, of course, there are differences,   and many of you would comment, zomato, the fast  delivery business,. Then how do we buy a company   like Swiggy? Or are there other unlisted  companies we can take a look at? Of course,   yes. So this platform is called as InCred Money.  And you can go read more about InCred Money. It's a part of InCred Group. Incred Group is a  unicorn. brand ambassador and all that stuff. So   you can go on the platform, read about unlisted  shares, and you will see a bunch of companies. For   example, Oyo is there, SBI Mutual Fund is there,  HDB Financial Services is there. So many companies   are there. And if you open, for example,  let's say HDB Financial, HDFC Group. So you   have all the charts. Now, what will see. What  type of company is HDBE Financial Services? Well,   it is an unlisted company. Similarly, SBI,  Mutual Fund, is what type of company? Again,   it rose, rose, rose, and it. What about Swiggy?  Again, it is what type of company? Unlisted. It's   okay. So are these unlisted companies? What  are the pros and cons of investing in these   type of companies? Should you do it? Should  you not do it? So let me spend 5, 6 minutes   explaining it. So on another note, I am doing a  deep dive for my students on Unlisted Stocks. I'm   organizing this special class on Monday. It is  going to be a live class. In case you guys are   interested on how to join it, you can check  the links in the description and comment box. Now, very quick explainer of unlisted companies.  Unlisted companies, which journey is it. Then they   are somewhere between an IPO and pre-IPO stage.  Ipo, so it will become a public company. Ipo,   it will remain in a private space only. This range  is where we are looking at. This is what we are   defining as unlisted companies for me. Unlisted,  this is not a standard definition, but this is   the scope that I wanted to quickly explain. Some  relevant examples would be HDV Financial, Oyo, and   all these different types of companies. Now, more  importantly, what you need to understand, pros and   cons, around the regulation of these companies.  It's okay. Here is what you need to know. These   companies are regulated by Ministry of Corporate  Affairs. If you go to the website, you can get   information by paying certain fees to Ministry  of Corporate Affairs, which is a Government of   India entity. And whichever company I'm speaking  or about to speak about in this video, you can   get information about that company by putting  in a little bit of money and downloading those   reports from there. So I hope the regulation  part is also clear.. This is point one. Now, talking about pros and cons of  unlisted equities. So the first key point   is, because these stocks, for example, just say  HDB Financial. Now, this is an HDFC Bank-bagged   company. But. That's a simple point. So the stock  is not heated. So relatively in private markets,   unless a lot of VC money is floating around, till  that point, the valuation on private or unlisted   companies or valuation of it remains sensible. For  example, if you go back to the time of 2018, 2019,   just before COVID, byju's and a bunch of other  unlisted players, so to say.. And valuation was   crazy. Why? Because easy money was flowing in.  Interest rates were very, very low. Right now,   what is the issue? Well, it is very hard for these  companies to survive. So many unicorns, in fact,   Byjun' was more valuable than Zomato at one  point in time. It got crushed. Why? Because free   money evaporated from the market. That VC money  evaporated from the market. So in a high interest   rate environment, typically speaking, valuation of  unlisted stocks is more sensible. From the story.   And therefore, I feel that unlisted stock  is in a good shape from that perspective. This is point one. So right now, valuation,  cheaper type, right? From that perspective.   Second key point is that see, there is always  a market premium that gets added to unlisted   stocks whenever they IPO. Go back to the time when  LIC, there was so much noise in the market about   LIC IPO.. That is called as adding of market  premium. That you know, so that's the. This   is called as market premium. Every reporter  will cover it, every magazine will cover it,   every YouTuber will cover it, and all that stuff.  So that time, the market premium add on it. If   you buy in the unlisted space first, if. And  then you have gotten this market premium by   investing in that asset. Third is certainty of  procurement or certainty of allocation. Now,   what is the meaning of this? For example,  if now you might be thinking, why should I   invest my money in Swiggy now? Or why should I  buy HDV Financial now or SBI Mutual Fund now?   I can buy it when the IPO announced. But the  IPO, you will not get it. Is that certainty?   The answer is no. So these are three What are the  advantages if you invest in an unlisted company? What is the risk? Very quickly, again,  there can be valuation risk. For example,   if you go and buy something like HDB  Financial. Now, what if the valuation   is high? How would you figure it out? You  have to study the stock properly. Now,   there is not much public information about HDB  Financial. The level of public information on   a listed company is much more. So you're  dealing with that uncertainty. Now, again,   I will cover how to value these privately listed  companies, what type of structures So you can use,   etc, on my class that I'm doing. So you can check  the links. But anyways, I'll take you to the   platform also and at least point you in the right  direction where you can look at. Second key point,   and this is a problem which is called  as lock-in problem. So lock-in problem,   for example, if you go and buy HDB financial here.  And now the company does not announce the IPO for   two years. So now it will be difficult for you  to liquidate that stock. You can only liquidate   it to other private investors. The equity can get  sold. That's not a problem even in private space. But that liquidity problem remains because it is  not a listed asset. But if you buy Swiggy today,   you might not be able to liquidate it tomorrow.  Your best opportunity to liquidate will be after   IPO. But here is a point. The point is that  see, as per SEBI rules, because you are buying   an unlisted company, you can't liquidate it for  the next six months after it IPOs. Why? Because   you are technically an insider. Very similar to a  founder of the company.. Now that is a problematic   process. Why? Because the founder is the insider.  Similarly, employees are insider. And you are also   buying that company in somewhat a preliminary  stage. Therefore, that restriction applies to   you also, for six months, you will not be able  to liquidate. Then comes the final point is the   liquidity risk. So liquidity risk, for example,  you have HDB finance,. Then a natural question   comes, I was hoping to buy here and then sell  it here. Now, as you see, Zomato got listed at   125, and after that, the price has  gone down.. So this depends on how   you're managing your portfolio, how you  think about investing. So this is a point. But if you want to do more study and  understand how to invest, then very simple.   Go here on unlisted shares. You will see all these  different options. Click on anything. For example,   SBI Fund Management Limited. If you want to buy  50 units, you can place the order. You can just   simply press Invest Now. You have to log in first.  Again, talking about the safety of the platform,   I have prepared a note which I will link in  the description and comment box. You guys can   go and read more about it before making  a call, whether you should be investing,   not investing. There is a special offer that  Ingrid Money has launched, and it will only   be applicable for the first 1,000 users who will  transact. There is an additional 0.25% discount   that you will get on any purchase that you're  making. Definitely it adds up. To avail that,   you can check out my link in the description  and comment box and buy via that link. Just   to summarize the entire video, should retail  investors invest in unlisted stocks? Yes or no,   it depends on your portfolio, how you are  constructing it.. There is definitely there. There is definitely there is risk also.  A small tip that I will give here is,   let's see, the biggest risk in unlisted space is  the liquidity risk. And here, if you buy a good   brand, for example, HDFC Bank Group company, it's  a clean company, clean promoter, they have their   brand risk and all that stuff. Are they going to  IPO? Yes,. But why would they not IPO? And even   if they are not IPOing, you can still sell  these type of companies even in private   market. Yes, it's also immediately transaction  now, but you will be able to liquidate your   position. So remember to buy good brands  in this unlisted space, your profitable   companies, or the good companies. If you're buying  that, then the chances of Ipoing. If you did,   do press the like button and subscribe  to the channel, and I'll see you soon.