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Exploring the Second China Shock

Feb 22, 2025

Webinar on the Second China Shock and Global Trade

Introduction

  • Topic: The Second China Shock
  • Presenter: Paul Kouman
  • Key Questions:
    • What is the second China shock?
    • How will the new global trade world order emerge?
    • Is globalization compatible with industrial policy?
    • Can the US run a permanent current account deficit?

Background

  • First China Shock (2000s):
    • China's export of manufacturing goods impacted US industrial base.
    • China accounts for 29% of world manufacturing but only 13% of consumption.
  • Second China Shock:
    • Could be due to China's recession leading to increased exports.
    • Import substitution in China reducing imports.
    • Technological advancements like AI in China challenging the US.

Free Trade and Industrial Policy

  • Benefits of Free Trade:
    • Static comparative advantage and dynamic technological transfer.
    • Political economy benefits through reforms.
  • Industrial Policy vs. Globalization:
    • Increasing returns to scale and setting industry standards.
    • Potential geopolitical bargaining power.
    • US strategies: Industrial policy (Biden) vs. tariffs (Trump).

US Current Account Deficit

  • Argument for permanent deficit due to 'exorbitant privilege'.
  • US provides safe assets to foreigners for self-insurance.

Paul Kouman's Presentation

  • Shifted focus to new views on trade imbalances.
  • New Views on Trade Imbalances:
    • Persistent trade imbalances due to government actions.
    • Associated with Michael Pettis' views.
  • Trade Balance History:
    • Historically, large capital flows were normal pre-WWI.
    • Current account deficits/surpluses have varied over time.

US Trade Deficits and Productivity

  • US attracted capital due to rapid productivity growth in the 1990s.
  • Trade deficits increased as US became attractive for investment.

De-industrialization

  • Manufacturing is important for strategic reasons and perceived as providing good jobs.
  • Comparison with Germany:
    • Germany's manufacturing sector is larger due to trade surpluses.
    • Germany's economic challenges despite manufacturing strength.

Tariffs and Trade Policy

  • Tariffs as a response to trade imbalances debated.
  • Historical use of tariffs, like Nixon's policy.
  • Potential retaliation and impact on dollar strength.

Increasing Returns to Scale and Industrial Policy

  • Increasing returns expand trade gains but raise questions of who benefits.
  • Importance of strategic industrial policy.

Globalization and Services

  • Potential shift in trade focus from goods to services.
  • AI as a substitute for globalization in service outsourcing.

Conclusion

  • Re-evaluation of free trade and industrial policies in light of global changes.
  • Impact on smaller countries and potential formation of trading blocs.
  • Ongoing discussion on the balance between tariffs and subsidies.

Final Thoughts

  • Global trade and economics continue to evolve, presenting new challenges and opportunities.
  • Importance of strategic thinking and policy adaptation in a dynamic global environment.