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Reggie Wright Jr. Discusses Tupac and Biggie

All right, here we go. Reggie Wright Jr., welcome back to Vlad TV. Thanks for having me back, Vlad. Appreciate you, man. Of course. Now, the number one question. Why did you kill Tupac? Yeah, it's unfortunate that that's the new theme, man. It really is. I thought we had got away from that, especially once two uh KVD had got arrested even though he had been making his promo tour talking about it on your channel and in this book and BET Chronicles and other people platforms and then he gets there now he goes to jail and he you know got to pass the book. You remember that show, The Practice? They used to call uh uh the practice with uh and they used to have the plan B and they say uh hey, when your suspect is done, we got to throw it on the the best witness and and accuse him. And so, well, right, because Kefi actually did a few interviews with some news channels recently, and in those interviews, he's basically saying that you're the one who killed Tupac. Yeah. He just said it. Now, a lot of people say he been saying that he say if I get in handcuffs, Reggie Wright need to be getting in handcuffs. He said on my interview. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. But he actually was talking about Biggie Small. He wasn't talking about Tupac when he was making that. All right. He was saying, you know, if I can go to jail for Tupac, Reggie and, you know, and and need to be going to jail for Biggie Small, right? Is what he was really referring to. But hey, I get it. I understand. Try to try to confuse the public. try to confuse uh uh have a defense. You got to have some type of defense and but unfortunately unfortunately people that be in the comments on YouTube is not the generally the people that be in the jury box. Well, what's interesting is that after he tried to file a motion uh to get the case thrown out, there was a whole bunch of paperwork exhibits that he actually produced himself. I know. I was shocking. We were looking at over this uh this morning. So, he actually started cooperating 1998. Yeah. And he people didn't catch it. He kind of talked about it, I believe, on your show, Blad, when he said, uh, Li Red, you know, he he think he know everything. And he, who is he? Is he the DA or who was he? And he said, I could have had him and his dad put in jail in 1998 when they came down and talked to him when he was in custody. Yes. And this dude, that's why I call him, his name is not Key D no more than me. Anybody come over there to bomb first? That is the biggest snitch in LA County history is his name now. Because if you look at that document and you know those names that's in that document, oh my god, jail prison in state of Nevada is more safer than him in being on the streets in LA or Nevada or in the penitentiary. Well, I went through the paperwork and, you know, we'll post some of this uh on screen, but when he cooperated with the feds in in 1998 with no with no no charges on him then, not even looking at him. He just been a snitch. Well, he was already in jail at the time. Already in jail. So, he said that you also killed Biggie. Yeah. And the the composite drawing looks like you. Um, I thought it was a Muslim. I guess I look like a Muslim. I guess you look like the Muslim guy, right? I'm a fat boy, not a skinny Muslim, but Yeah. Right. So, he said that Suge Knight took over the drug trade in North Compton. And when Suge went to jail, you took over that whole drug operation. Yeah. And uh it also said that you had cops that killed people for Suge. Yeah. Uh specifically, Sergeant Reynolds and your dad, Reggie Wright, Senior. Uh, in the same piece of paperwork, he said that cops killed Bruce Richardson for Suge after Bruce beat up Suge. Yeah. What is that about? That's this dude uh that I told the story before. Anybody been over there on Bomb First where it was this guy that got killed uh in his house and that been investigated by the LAPD and they his brother actually got arrested from it. He was a dude that uh used to um manage the Outlaws. Uh and he owned a club called The World in LA. Real popular dude. I can't think of his his street name. Once I say his street name, you'll probably recognize him, but um he was very very popular back in the day. And we got into it the uh a week or two in the nightclub uh with him at at his club in um in LA. Well, actually underneath the Beverly Center. It was called The World. And um but Sugar and Hip had a cool relationship and the group six feet deep and um got into it had with him at the bar and we you know we got in there and broke it up. Should have got him back into the car and everything and then unbeknownst later he pops up dead and you know everybody that was dying in the '9s it was always shook night fault. Then he went on to say that you had a bunch of people that worked for your drug operation during that time. And he names Mob James. His brother Buntry. Okay. Rest in peace. Trayvon Lane. Yeah. And a guy named Flip. Yeah. You know who Flip is? No. Flip. Okay. Flip is a guy uh had a barber shop in um in Compton. U if anybody that ever listened to FG, did y'all heard FG talked about him? Him. FG was real cool. But these are Compton dudes. These are par rule blood dudes from Compton and know what they are. They were all in the game a little bit. Everybody know anyone know anything about James? James ain't never been a drug dealer. Never. Yeah. We even talked about it. Yeah. You say you didn't have the patience for it. Drugs wasn't the game. But wasn't in the game. Uh Flip had a barber shop. I don't know if he might have dibbled and dabbled a little weed in here and there. And who was the other person? Trayvon. Trayvon Lane. Trayvon, you know, nothing. But in the 90 from 90 92 on until, you know, about 2005, 2006, it would have been crazy for Sign Knight or anybody associated to Sh Knight to be involved in the drug game because you had Intercope, Time Warner, and all of them would have gave him million dollars checks just for bringing one act to him. Y'all saw how hard it was for Suge to put out an act. It took an act of God for him to put out a record back in the 90s, if y'all know anything about SH compared to what Master P and and Mac 10 and people like that. Well, or or um what's that boy name? Uh they used to be with Mac 10. It was Mac 10. That's what I'm how they started just throwing stuff out. And Suge had the same distribution deal with priority and he could have did that as well. Suge believe in the quality over quantity. My point is to say, why be in a drug game when you got record companies cutting you million-dollar chest checks just to take a chance on you, you know, to put an album out. But no, nobody was dealing drugs. They didn't have time to be dealing drugs in the late 90s. What Suge or what anybody did to get to that point 88, 89, 90, I can't say. But 92 been the stupidest thing in the world for Suge to have any drugs in his possession other than maybe some marijuana. Yeah. I mean, the fact that I actually found Mob James and Trayvon Lane's name and Kei's paperwork paperwork that he submitted himself. Correct. That was part of his Yeah, I think the attorney [ __ ] up. Yeah. I mean, that was part of the Hail Mary trying to get him, you know, out of the actual case. Yeah. Uh, but yeah, I mean, does Bob James even know about this? Uh, we talked about it. We laughed at it. Uh, I'm sure he, you know, me and James, unfortunately, is that old saying that people used to say, if you want to hide something from black folks, put it in writing. We don't do all that reading. If people ain't talking about it on YouTube or something like that, we really don't watch it to be honest, which is a bad thing. I'm sorry black folks that are offended by saying that, but hey man, I'm just keeping it real. That's how Reggie James is. Yeah. Well, then in the paperwork, there's another cooperation in 1999. Okay. 99. I don't think this was a Greg Kading cooperation. No. No. Greg Greg didn't get involved in this stuff till like 2008. Exactly. So, this is a third cooperation essentially if you count the Greg Katy one. And in this one, he said that Orlando didn't kill Tupac. Okay. He also says that he thinks Diddy killed Tupac and Suge killed Biggie. Yeah. This is in the paperwork. And and these are things I know a lot of people don't you glad you're a '90s guy so you know all of this. These are things that have been floating around. I did articles in the buy magazine talking about the different thing. At that point in life, I honestly believe that Southside was responsible for both Biggie and Tupac. I later learned to believe the murder rap theory later in life. But during that time, I would have bet my kids life on it, my life on it. That Southside Compton Crystal was responsible for both deaths at that time. Both deaths. Both. Oh, okay. Well, Kephi was trying to fight his case. I guess he was saying that he had like a dozen witnesses that said he was in LA during the time of the shooting and so forth. But I guess they found a hotel reservation in Vegas under his wife's name. Correct. You know, unfortunately, we do that. We have our women because they usually ones with the credit. They have credit cards, you know, to do it because without a credit card, you can't do it. And most of us, you know, generally don't have credit cards because we don't have jobs. I did fortunately, but I'm just talking when I'm saying that, I'm generalizing talking about young black guys back in the, you know, the early 2000 late 90s. And um and so we had our girls doing stuff like that cuz they were out there and they would have a job and they had no little, you know, credit cards. That's I believe that's all he did is had his girl his wife uh Paula uh put him in her name and which was a smart play. He he did that himself with James girl. I think there's segments with you are if not on bomb first where where James talked about how his girl who was like best friends with with with with Key's wife um had cars and stuff like that in in their names and that was stuff that was going on for trap spots for houses for everything back in the 90s people was using their girls because when you making illegal money you can't just walk in with that cash generally and buy stuff or get get things done. You need people with jobs or with some type of credit to do it and they generally don't want it because when they get in trouble or you know the first thing they come and do is try to seize it but if it's in somebody else name they can't seize it right. Well Kei D has a private investigator. Apparently the courts gave him uh granted him 100 hours a particular PI 100 hours to uh to work on the case. He probably get an extension I hopefully. So I want him to I believe in justice contrary to what people say or believe or think. I believe let's play it out. That's why I always say with people talking about pref this this let's stop muddying up the investigation. Let's just let it play out. If he finds out that this man is innocent or whatever then or he just a nutcase that's the route he need to be going. If I was him, I'll be putting [ __ ] on my face every day and playing like I'm crazy because that's the only way he gonna be something like that. But if he decide, you know, when I'm saying that from all the interviews he has done, the book deal, the BET Chronicles and all of that, talking with you and all of that, that's the only way because you go and play this to our aunties and and and and people that with decent jobs and stuff like that that's generally on the jury and go and play all of those videos and read the passage from the books. Who's going to believe that other than young kids on YouTube that like to be funny in our comment sections? That's all. Well, you said that the profer isn't needed in Kef's case. I said Greg Kaden's profer agreement uh is not going to be needed because he gave a statement to Vegas PD as well without a profer agreement. What was the statement? The same thing that he told Greg Katy is an elf apparently. So he repeated there's one in 2009 that he did and then there's one in 2010 that he did or maybe 2008 and 2009 that he did but he do he did a in a second profer agreement with Vegas PD alone. Wait, so Vegas gave a profiter agreement because No, I'm sorry. Yeah, a separate agreement or statement. Okay. A interview. He did interview with Vegas. Yes. Long time. A year later. Okay. 2009. 2009. Okay. But was there a profit in place when he gave that statement to Vegas or not? Well, that that's where that's where legal come in. That's where Lee lawyers gonna come in. All the great lawyers you be having on your channel, you got to talk about that, you know, cuz some may argue that that's where KPD is going to get convicted. Whether this stuff get overturned in appeal, who knows? because there are a lot of appellet issues, you know, with this proper statement part when when you have um uh a Vegas, most people don't even know the cop, one of the cops that said in on the 2008 uh interview also said in on the 2009 interview. So, if I was KPD, I'll be up there saying, "What? Damn. I thought since he was there in 2008 and he was there and he the one that brought me in 2009 that it was under the same agreement. Those are things that can be argued in court. A jury will never hear that. Well, the Vegas DA and the judge agree that Greg Kenny had no authority to offer a profer for a Vegas case. Yeah, I agree. I I I honestly believe that's a a pilllet issue. Uh but who am I? I I'm just a fat guy that went to a police academy. I never went to no law school. So before Biggie got killed, you have said that Bad Boy reached out to you to do security. Security. Yeah. Why would Bad Boy get security for someone who's already working with Death Row? Yeah. For Biggie? It makes no sense. Yeah. It was an accident or not accident or just them not knowing cuz they was out here in California looking for security at the last minute. It was a guy that worked for me by the name of James Egg Mcichels who worked for Englewood Unified School District and I guess he has some relationship with some guys over at Englewood PD who eventually took the job and worked there uh uh worked worked that night and so they reached out James McDh McDonald Daniels uh came or McDaniels I forget how he pronounced his name. I think it was McDaniels now. Uh came to me and say, "Hey, Red, they looking, you know, bad boys in town. They looking for some security uh uh for Biggie." And I was like, "Man, they don't know who they reaching out to. I'm not working for them. I don't want to work with them. And they don't want me to work for them." That's how it went. Didn't think nothing of it until I heard that there were some Inglewood cops that was there on scene, but they didn't have their work permits. And when stuff went down, they took off and got out of there. Yeah. Oh, so they could have actually had police statements, but since they didn't have work permits, they just pretended not to be there and they got out of there. But I think it it came out. I think the cops end up, if we research it and look it up, something happened to those cops. They found out who those cops were. Okay. Well, but a lot of people think the LAPD. Everybody get out of the out of the If you're out of the county of Los Angeles, everybody think everything that goes on in California is LAPD. But well, KVD got into a fight in jail recently. Do you know what that was over? It appeared to be some type of just unfortunately what goes on in our our our jail facilities is we have a race problem in there and it appeared to be a male white or a male Mexican that got into it. Why he's in there with no shirt on and all of that, I don't know. walking around, you know, that little room they it's it's obviously a sensitive need unit because you can tell how they were it was kind of clear in there. So, it was like a hospital ward or something like that. But hey, things go down and KVD is a big name with the black card. And I think either the male white or male Mexican, not sure of his nationality, uh must have had some issues with him and and they attacked each other. But that goes down every day. It's going down right now as we tape it unfortunately in uh in the prison systems in or the county jail systems in the United States for that. So Kef tried to get his case thrown out and it got denied. Yeah. So now he's going to trial next year. Uh February the 9th I believe of 2026. I don't think he'll ever go to trial. I think he going to eventually take a plea deal. But hey, what's the point of taking a plea deal when you're 61 years old and not not in good health? People living until 75. My daddy 78 years old now. I'm glad. He's down in a jail cell, though. People in jail don't live quite as long as people on the outside. Jail cell saved Su Knight [ __ ] life. Prison saved his life. Believe it or not, uh you get better me, not better medical treatment, but you get medical treatment in there. Uh unfortunately when we out here ripping and running, they drinking, they smoking, they they doing things, they they not working out, they not walking the track every day and have health programs and working out. I'm telling you, the guys when they come home from prison, look at them. They look better than us guys out here in the free world eating all of this pork and and nasty stuff we be eating. And they in there taking care of themselves, looking right, preserving their their lives and and their their bodies is what I found out from guys that's coming coming out of prison. Well, uh, Suge Knight tried to get his case thrown out as well. And uh, it did not work. Saw that. Saw that. I don't think uh, well, I don't think the interviews he been doing lately helped him at all. Don't think they helped him at all. And if we look at the interviews, we can see [ __ ] haven't been rehabilitated yet. This is the way he's still talking on. But that shook night, hey, okay, you want to stay and be who you are. You don't want to play the game, then cool. But don't ask them favors. When you go to to the courts and asking them, you pretty much just asking for a favor. And I believe in relationships, Vlad. Um, yeah, there's some things sometimes that the judicial system play by the law and and give you breaks and all of that and but that's very rare. It's very rare. People usually get out and and get things because of favors or look at all the guys that been that done been on your channel recently and got out on the feds and from the federal government and stuff like that. It's generally because of a a second act. It's it's something where somebody just was like, "Okay, we think they got enough. They done had enough time. They done did enough time or whatever. Let's give them some breaks." All these people that done got out on pardons and stuff recently, it was just because somebody wanted to give them a break. My opinion, you know. Well, I had Ray Jay on recently and during the interview, Suge and I called from jail and Ray J, you know, wanted some of it in the interview. He actually asked me to cut some of it out, which I did. Oh, okay. So, so parts of it people didn't get to see. Okay. But I specifically worked with Ray J on exactly what we're going to release and what we didn't. So, if Suge is mad at me, just know that I got more instructions from the person I was being interviewed by, who he called to put out what I put out. Yeah. Um, you know, shout out to AJ. It was a really good interview. Um, but that phone call kind of caused some some waves that, you know, that got triggered. You talking about the part with you or you talking about the part with Ray J? Well, when Suge called and said what he said in that, did you take it like he was talking to you or was he really talking to Ra? I'm not quite sure. Talking about his [ __ ] That's it. That's all I'm talking about. No. No. That's all he's talking about. They were They were just They were asking Anybody ask about question about that with you know what I'm talking about, [ __ ] You don't talk to nobody. You talk to [ __ ] You want to talk to [ __ ] when you want to talk to them. [ __ ] Ron. When [ __ ] get that [ __ ] when they feel they can when they want to and [ __ ] [ __ ] and act like you know if you talk [ __ ] don't be talking about talking same breath you [ __ ] Snoop Snoop saying some [ __ ] up [ __ ] about the homie and [ __ ] coming out [ __ ] going to be dealt with. You want to put on I know y'all hear me talking. I ain't talking to my [ __ ] self. Yeah, I hear you. Let me keep it real, Blair. Yeah, let's keep it real. Yeah, he was really coming at you quieter than I ever seen you on your own platform and camera. Shout out to you for being the bigger man in the room. Seriously. Yeah. I mean, I'm not tripping. I'm not like, you know, cuz I had a conversation with Suge. Oh. Not too long ago. Who you having it with? With Suge. And who? And you. Okay. All right. But anyway. Yeah. All right. I didn't know whether you want to be name, you know. But I got you. I appreciate you shout out. But I'm gonna tell you that conversation was done mainly, Vlad, because of you. Okay? Because what you did when you leaked out that you was considering and doing it with the interview you did with Mayo, I know you was just perfectly just speaking and and you just throwing it out, right? But it was true, right? True statement. Everything false about what I said. You ain't lying about nothing yet. Yeah. All right. So, but he was counting on his interview. You know how many times I text you, you're like, "Lad, what's up? What's the stat?" Yeah. I didn't get back to him. You didn't get back to him quick enough. You didn't move quick enough. Right. And so, that's why if you really listen to that statement, he was like, "You over there with a guy and now the sand is drawn in the the line is drawn in the sand because he was mad because he felt like you didn't want to do the interview with him. Now, like I kept telling him, he hasn't made that decision yet. You were dragging your feet on us. I was dragging my feet. This is I had a lot going on. That too. Yeah. You and you expressed that to me. Yeah. Exactly. And all that worked out. Yeah. It's actually on my list of things to do to get back to him and put put together the list of questions. But okay. So he's just mad at me. I mean it's fine. So that's why he so he felt like what we doing he going to take this interview that we doing like okay so since Vlad didn't want to pay me my rate or he didn't want to get me on there or whatever he went to somebody else. How can Ray J be telling stories about death row when death when Ray J wasn't around which I agree with Knight on. So he said Ray J wasn't around 90. He thinking that y'all talking about see should look at defro in two section. He look at defro Tupac noob Dre era like that. Then you got that that Reggie Wright the role and all of that era when that's why he been trying to say lately how it was killed death row was killed and and from when he came home from prison he looked at that as a different time that's when Ray J was around a lot and so he took it like Ray J over there speaking on stuff that he wasn't a part of and I was around death row from 94 until about 2002 two and then I came back for a brief scene from 2004. I saw Ray J and Suge's present one time up until 1996 until SH went to jail. 2001 Ray J was around a lot, right? I mean, Ray J was saying that he was around kind of as a teenager and people used to call him little Simon and stuff like that. Were people calling Suge Simon for like Simon says? And he got mad about that. He said one of his homeboy, I always thought it was Bunch, but he and I talked about that of course after the interview and he said it wasn't Bunch. He said it was somebody else. I forget right now who he said came up with that name, but that name came up later like 96. Tupac made it big when they started calling theirself and they put on the back of the album Simon and and Merlli and all that when they came up with the code names. But that didn't happen until like 96. Okay. Now, but you know what the Simon part comes from? Simon says from from Simon like Simon said like cuz we do whatever Simon says, right? Exactly. Yeah. Got it. Okay. Now, Suge said that Snoop was involved in Tupac's murder. Why he's pushing that theory? This is what to be honest while me and Suge tonight ain't talking right now in the day. Uh right now it's in what March mid mid part of March that that this interview is going on. Me and him was talking daily uh since November. We don't talk daily right now because one thing about Reggie, people talk all this [ __ ] Reggie a liar. This this this and the but I'm not going to let people lie on people. I I I try to keep it a buck with it. And [ __ ] is all right this making up stuff. out of being vengeous. Vengeful, I guess that's the correct word. Um, right now he has hatred for Dr. and for Snoop and for Michael Hario and probably now Reggie Wright. But he has those those feelings and he's using platforms right now to attack to go in an attack mode against people because he know he know by saying that somebody has something to do with the death of Tupac gets a whole community against you. Well, yeah. I mean, Snoop wasn't even in Vegas when this wasn't in Vegas. That don't mean you can't orchestrate a murder if you weren't there. Yeah, but I don't ever affiliated with Southside [ __ ] Thompson Crips. Exactly. He's from Long Beach. Exactly. Not to say that people know each other. People know each other, but I've never heard anyone from that side talk about Snoop at all. Snoop murder case. He was six months. What? February. I'll tell you the date. February 19th. February 21st of 1996. Just got found not guilty for a murder. Right. And you now So you're going to turn around and kill Tupac. Exactly. Yeah. You you just you just beat a murder case against an unknown person. So you turn around and have someone killed who's the most famous person on earth. Exactly. Okay. Yeah. I don't know about that. He's just using that. There's a conversation with SH online with El this guy named LT Hutton and and and Art Arth the Dialogue and and all of them online where they were on phone talking to SH was kissing stupid ass. Yeah. Yeah. S you remember you the one that helped me get uh Puck over there. You the one told me to go get him and all of that. This is like 2014. No, it was when he was in custody. So two after 2015. But now he got all this information now he'll tell you because sitting in jail he just heard all of this stuff. He get all this stuff secondhand. That's why half the stuff he gets all be all messed up because people only it's unfortunate and I do it too. We don't tell full stories. We just tell our pieces our version our trigger points. And he gets things like that and I keep trying to tell him stop stop being that douche. Stop just letting the last thing in your ear be the truth or the facts and stuff. Hear it for yourself. Unfortunately, where he's at, he's not able to hear things himself. He just getting to hear other people interpretations. Well, actually, Snoop responded to Suge's accusation of him orchestrating Tupac's murder and said that Suge is actually mad that he owns death row now and that's why all this stuff is coming out. Could be. Could be. I don't believe Stup is the 100% owner of the the the music like he claims, but that's another story for another day. Well, you know, Suge basically talked about how ever since Snoop took over Death Row, the releases haven't really done very well. He's running it. He He's a say so guy. I also had conversations with Wack 100, our friend, where uh apparently Snoop Suge has something coming out. Uh and his people reached out to Snoop and asked for permission to use the music. And Snoop was like, "Cool, I'll do it. I'll license it to him for free, for nothing." So, this type of dude that Snoop's been, why Suge's been the way he's been, I don't get it. Don't understand it. Um, I hope he changed his way on that. Yeah. Suge said, uh, you know, referring to stupid said, you said, "I'm mad because you bought that throw what you buy. Show me where y'all paid the money to buy it. Show me the paperwork. Show me what you own." You try to create something that Suge Knight created. So, make something big, you disappointed the world by making everything that flops. I agree with SH on that though. Well, yeah. Um, Dr. Dre and Snoop's missionary didn't do very well commercially. In fact, this may be Dr. Dre's worst selling release in his entire life. Really? Better than worse than that Compton album. Oh, I'm sure saleswise it did worse than Compton. Yeah, I think Compton may have gone platinum over time. Oh, okay. Yeah, Compton went gold. Compton went gold. Okay. You know, uh, as of 2016, it sold over 600,000 copies. So, you're talking about 9 years later, maybe Addex or 100. Yeah, it might even be platinum actually. But this missionary album and I listened to it. I mean it sounds like Dre Snoop but it sounds like old Dre Snoop. Oh, dude. I thought it sound like uh I thought that's what we wanted. Old Dre and Snoop and I thought it sound too grown up for most people especially coming after that that Kendrick album and stuff like that. I think you got to go with the all that that rough rough counting ride shoot them up gangbanger stuff is what I thought was the reason that it didn't do well because they they rap like 50 year old men is my opinion of it versus you know 30 year old guys. I mean it was cool. I listened to it. There's a couple songs I liked. Yeah, we all listen to it. We all Yeah, I'm 51. Yeah, I'm 51. But I but I listen to everything. You see what I'm saying? I listen, you know, when Playboy Cardi drops, I'll be listening to that. You know, I I listen to GNX. I I listen to, you know, um Drake and Party Next Door's new album. Like, I literally listen to everything because it's my job to really be up on everything, you know? I'm not your typical 51-year-old. Yeah. But I don't want people say that culture vulture [ __ ] about you. You know this history and this music better than most than most. Yeah. That's okay. Yeah. I hate but listen, you got to understand, you know, like if you hang out with me for a day, you'll really see the difference between the internet and real life. Like when I leave the house, people are constantly approaching me, telling me how much they love my stuff, the photo, they take photos. They want their kids to take photos with me. They they they really like they start breaking down the interviews that they love and everything. I don't get any hate when I walk around. It all comes from the internet. And I agree. And I know things that you have done personally for myself, James, and everybody. Yeah. That you do all the what what you need, you know, like what you need, not oh, it's what you need. I got you. Yeah. Yeah. I take care of people the best I can, you know, especially people that have worked with me over the years and, you know, have helped, you know, increase the platform and so forth. Um, and I don't talk about it. You know, you're the first one. You're the first one mentioned. I brought it up. Yeah. You brought it up. I brought it up. Suge said that Tupac wasn't technically signed to death row. Yeah. So he he kind of threw that out there. But then in the next interview or the next thing he's always talking about how he was signing death role and so that just sh Well technically because his contract was assigned to him by uh Innercope. It was a assignment right cuz he was already signed incope. Correct. But I think Jimmy I wanted Tupac on death row because it was less of a headache for him. He wanted anybody that would take it because he had a number one album in the country. But they had this deal that was really going on with Time Warner and Dolores Tucker and all of that. And Jimmy and Ted Fields was trying to sell half their company and they was having a hard time. They had eventually uh had a deal with Time Warner where they were buying a 50% stake of it for $150 million that they had to give back because of what was going on with C. Dolores Tucker and uh Bob Doyle and and the vice president the cop killer thing was happening during that time. Yeah. Remember all that time? Yeah. And so they so they couldn't deal with Plus Tupac was Tupac. Y'all we put a halo on Tupac head and all of that. Right. Well, didn't see Dolores Tucker kind of try to extort Suge Knight. Well, she sued because uh Tupac uh put a lyric on there. I think he called her Yeah. See, Dolores Tucker, you a [ __ ] Yeah. Instead of raising me up, try and pull down a brother or something like that. Yeah. And he said something about she man I said in the deposition or at the at the mediation with the judge, the federal judge where her whole claim was she couldn't have sex with her husband. She she was all and all the claims in the particular lawsuit and um Innercope big corporations can't deal with this. We gonna find this out with this Drake and uh Kendrick situation with how the big companies and how people go after them and how they exposure is so much more and can be so much cost so much more constantly where they rather cut ties with you than have to take that negative public, you know. And plus the main thing that Tom Warner was trying to do is what we know them for today. They were trying to get in the cable in the cable um industry with the TVs. They knew that's where the money was and that's what the people that were in control, you know, uh the White House was telling them, hey, we're not dealing with the type of rap music, not dealing with and so they had to cut ties with that type of music. This the real behind all that. Well, you know, I remember reading and I can't find it online right now, but at one point, I guess uh Steve Dolores Tucker met with Suge Knight and basically was like, "Yo, Miss Deion War, you know, she she broken a deal." Yeah. I guess it was like, you know, told Suge that he needs to stop doing gangster rap and to give her a label deal with like a studio to do like uplifting music. And I think Suge just sort of just walked out of it. Like it was a meeting actually with Dion Warrick and and and Mrs. Dolores Tucker where I think actually Quincy Jones set it up and and they were they met and they tried to work it out. They went to her house and but you know Miss Dion work was they were on some other stuff. Suge and them heard her out but they didn't hear them. You know you heard him but you didn't hear them. Well, yeah. I mean, you really can't tell Suge Knight or really anyone from that time, hey, listen, you're going multi-platinum on every release. Yeah. Totally switch your format because I'm telling you so. Yeah. Like, come on. Exactly. It's not going to happen. But they did tone their stuff down. You know, you they were calling females on wax a lot, using the B- word and stuff like that. And so, that's what they mainly wanted them to tone down. Well, there was a story that you talked about where Tupac told you to shoot Biggie. Yeah. At the Soul Train Awards. At Soul Train Music Awards. He actually said that to you. What happened was So, there was a guy that was holding a gun. It wasn't Biggie. It wasn't Biggie. Biggie was there standing in the area, but he was really talking about the guy that had the gun. Uh, who we f find out later. See Gutter. So you got to right uh and he but he never pointed the gun up. He just kept pointing it down. But me, I'm, you know, licensed to carry and California. I'm pointing my gun at him. However, the Muslim brothers from the who was also security there from the FOI were in the middle to brothers brothers, you know, doing what they were doing and I'm telling them get brother y this just better not raise that gun. Tupac being who Tupac is. Y'all I know we got a halo over Tupac head now, but Reggie Wright don't put a halo on Tupac head. He's standing behind him. How? Shoot him, Reggie. Shoot him. You know, just because they showing a gun. I'm telling them, I'm begging and pleading with Cutter. Don't raise that gun. Cuz if he would have raised it, he would have got shot. But that's all. But Tupac, this being Tupac behind, shoot him, R shoot him. You know, you know, grab him. He's grabbing your arm. He grabbing my horn, you know, trying to take the gun. Really? Damn. You guys run into each other at the Soul Train Awards. Yeah. Tell me about that situation. I don't ain't really too much to tell. It's like Big I think Big for like some best best song of the year something like that. um for the one more chance. And um like we was leaving cuz we had a flight to go to North Carolina. And while we were leaving, while we was leaving, um Don Canelius was talking to Big was like, "Why you leaving?" You know what I'm saying? He was asking him cuz Big just got his joint, went to the back, took some pictures, and we was leaving. So dark knees, you know, was trying to get. So they had, you know, they was had their little conversation or whatever. And that's when um they pulled up in a Hummer. Sugarland pulled up in the Hummer. And um I don't know exactly, you know, who was in the joint besides him and Pac, but you know, Pac was leaning out to women. Yo, y'all on the west side, get this [ __ ] over with right here and now. And um SH was talking to some um to the to to the um food of Islam dudes, the bow tie dudes. He was talking to them, but he was like aggressive. So you know it was me, Big Un, and C's and some security dude. So I just slid the burn out cuz I don't know what dude, you know what his what his intentions was and you know he seen the gun. Oh, he got a strap and then we slid off, you know. Yeah. But it was it was it was a bunch of um death dudes with death row pieces with burgundy, you know. I would assume they was from Pu. I had a bunch of burgundy hoodies and and sweatshirts with death row chains. So, you know, it was definitely it it was definitely not pretty. And so, that's what happened at the back uh the back the rear of Soul Trade Music Awards. Don Cornelius and his guy, I remember his guy name was Reggie. He had a big dude that used to be like his head security. They came and got um Suge and Tupac and took him straight in and u went inside the war show. Well, there was a lot of rumors floating around that Tupac was getting ready to leave Death Row, right? And then that in turn will create conspiracy theories of like, oh, that's why Suge had Tupac killed cuz he knew he was leaving. He wanted to kill him before he left so he could own the catalog or whatever else. Um, now Edin from the Outlaws, who's actually a good friend of mine, said that Tupac wasn't planning on leaving death. I agree. I agree. Like I always say, if he was, he was a better actor than what we thought he was because he was not showing that. You go and listen to the audio where he's talking three days, four days before he got shot at the uh MT uh MTV Music Awards when he's uh getting interview and he's talking about pumping up a subsidiary company, Defro. A lot of people think that was going to be Tupac. that was just a subsidiary company of Defro East like Def Jam at the time was doing Def Jam West and and stuff like that. Okay. Well, we had no idea if that's the plan. Who who can really say if it's true or not? We didn't know, but let's just talk common sense. Yeah. Okay. Suge had him fire David Kenner as representing him as uh the attorney entertainment wise. Su Tupac was still on a appeal bond appeal bond fighting it in court. Mhm. There was no attorney. I mean Johnny Cochran will say, but they who would he would got him out on a pill bond and SH was and intercope and everybody was was splitting the bill to keep him free or to try to get him to win this appeal. It was looking good. So you think Tupac would have won the appeal? I think he was going to win the appeal, but we don't know, you know. But my point is all that why would you be threatening to leave somebody that's doing all of this for you that got this appeal bond out and got this appeal going on if he was left from Deer was going to be done. He wasn't going to be working that well. Okay, but to be fair I think me and Edy were the ones you know I had the conversation with him really early on and Pac was planning on leaving music altogether and just focusing on acting. In fact, I remember me and Q3 had this conversation cuz Q3 produced on Maveli. Pac was going to give the Maveli album out for free as just a free mixtape. It was a mixtape. Yeah. I remember Q3 was like almost crying when he heard that. He's like, "No, like it was a mixtape. This is like some of my best work. Please put this out, Pac." Yes. Which ultimately did come out, but then by that time Pac was dead, so he really had no decision. He was really trying to go into the the the the movie side of it, but he was also going into the executive side of it. And that's why you hear about um SH was going to be the distributor and he had Snoop was going to come up with this label called Doggy Styles Record. MC Hammer was coming up with this record company called Hammer Time. Tupac was coming up with Macki Records. And then also you had the death row east which a guy by the name of Big D from New York and Eric B was going to be running and they were all going to be up on the death row and SH was going to be the one putting up the money for the operations to or the record companies to operate. Yeah. I think a lot of outsiders think that people who own content, whether it's music or videos or movies or whatever else, like they somehow have this big like lottery win when somebody dies. But it's actually the opposite effect most times. Most times it's the opposite. when the person dies. Yeah, you you could put out one one last little project, you know, cuz people are talking about that person remembering that person's not creating anything new. They're not touring. They're no longer in the media. They're no longer creating projects that people are, you know, checking for. And with 99% of people, slowly over time, the interest starts to Wayne. Correct. So ultimately, we lose out when the person dies. Correct. Nobody really wants this. Correct. Right. Now the public, oh no, you're gonna own this. Yeah. Okay. Tupac obviously is, you know, you know, he's last the test of time, but Tupac's not as popular now as he was when he was at his height. Correct. It's not even close. And who knows where he would be today. Who knows? Who knows? He might have been He could have been Jay-Z right now. Yeah. Honestly, he could be at that level where he just drops a person politics or something, but yeah, he might get into politics and got into politics. There's a whole bunch of stuff that Tupac could have gotten, but ultimately and and Tupac was also special because he had a lot of verses that was, you know, that were recorded. Correct. You know, he was a workaholic. He was a workaholic. Biggie was not like that. Yes. Biggie, I remember I just interviewed CVJ. Biggie comes in, he does one take. That's all you're getting out of him. Tupac when he was on set of a movie set was in there writing lyrics to go to the studio after the set of the to record that night. Well, Bad Boys co-founder Kirk Burroughs actually filed a lawsuit and claimed that Diddy was involved in Tupac's murder. Yeah. There's also accusations about sexual abuse, coercion, violence, intimidation, career sabotage, and financial extortion. Uh according to Kirk, uh Diddy was frustrated with how close Biggie and Pac were. you know, and also with how popular Pac was. Uh, because of this, he was allegedly reckless and causing a dangerous environment within the rap world. Uh, he also said that Diddy had a pivotal role in orchestrating the hit. Now, here's the interesting part. Uh, according to Kirk, and I don't know whether any of this is true. This is just a lawsuit that's been filed, but according to Kirk, a few days before Tupac was shot, Diddy had rented cars for some guys from Harlem to drive to Las Vegas. and they were not connected to Bad Boy Records. Um, so basically Kirk is saying that that Diddy had a deal for a million dollars for Kei D to kill Tupac, but he was actively involved in it. I mean, considering there's guys that are driving across, it almost sounds like this is like the Eric vonzip kind of story kind of mushed into it somehow. Yeah. I mean, driving cross country though from from Harlem. I mean, if he's saying Harlem, he's probably talking about Eric Vanzil. But to fly, you know, to actually drive from Harlem to Las Vegas, what is like a week drive? I don't,000 miles. I know. Yeah. So, yeah, you're doing that in multiple days. A lot of people do that though, Vlad, is for the guns and to have the type of guns that they want. Now, I know you can say [ __ ] you can go to Vegas, you got money, you can buy guns out out in Vegas. You could have LA wasn't too far. You could have got got them from LA, but a lot of guys like being their own confinement or comfort, give what they like. Uh I just think a lot of these lawsuits, Vlad, just come from what people done heard. We done heard so many different rumors since 96 uh related to the people just start putting all these stuff together and just speculating or what they believe. Yeah, I spoke to Kirk. We talked about doing an interview, but his expectations weren't really realistic, you know, in terms of what he wanted, considering there was already other interviews out by him that didn't really do big numbers. Yeah. Um, now you made kind of a crazy accusation about Kirk. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I always heard. uh that he was one of the ones he was underneath the desk of um of Puffy and got caught by one of their assistants giving him um uh what they believe was a [ __ ] He's also the guy that came to the uh hospital when um Big Jake uh was fighting for his life and she'll was you know professing that hey, you know, they had nothing to do with this. This wasn't behind Diddy and all of that. and she'll kick them in his ass and told him to get out. Get out of here. And so, but Kurt was his guy. Kurt was bad boy's guy uh at one point. And yeah, I don't know about this gay rumor. I've never heard this before myself. I don't know if it's true. Uh so I'm not co-signing this on any level. Uh this is this is what you're saying. Yeah. This thing that I heard. Yeah. Um there there's you got to see some of the conversations I've been having around the Diddy case. It's like I can't even go into some of these details because you know we these were private conversations but there's so many people coming out that were involved in this thing in so many different levels that it's just like some of it may be true, some of it may be false. It's really hard to decipher it at this point because at this point, like if you've ever taken a photo with Diddy or at Daddy's House Studio, you could get a lawyer to represent you and say that you were raped by Diddy right after that photo, you know. And that's what it appears that a lot of these lawsuits, unfortunately, are coming from just from pictures and stuff like that where people are making the allegations. I have a problem with I mean I believe some of them are true but about 80 85 of the law 80 85% of the lawsuits has been filed it's nonsense. Yeah. Listen I've been at daddy's house nothing happened to me. Totally fine. Well it it was the after afterparty. Got to remember that. Yeah. But no but there was a lawsuit. there like some girls and and like they claimed to be underage at the time and they were like sexually assaulted by Diddy and their proof was there was a photo of them at Daddy's House Studio and I'm like that's not proof of anything cuz there were so many people there. In fact, all the times I've been at Daddy's House Studio, Puffy wasn't even there. He wasn't even there. Oh, okay. It's a It's a a semi I mean, it's not a public studio, but it's a studio that's being used constantly by a lot of different artists that are working with Bad Boy in various capacities. You see what I'm saying? It's not like Diddy's there 24/7 working on tracks constantly. No, it's like, like I said, you got a bunch of artists on Bad Boy, got a bunch of producers. Last time I was there, Young Berg was working on some stuff. So, it's just like you don't know who's there. And I'm sure that a lot of these lawsuits are nonsense. Just like the whole, you know, the 13-year-old who accused Jay-Z and Diddy of sexually assaulting her. And we should know from the jump that there's no proof of that whatsoever. Her own dad said, "I don't think it ever happened cuz she claimed I picked her up and drove her home. It's a three-hour drive each way." Like, what you think about this Maui uh police chief? Uh this new allegation that just came out a couple of days ago. Well, I missed that. What happened? There was a police chief uh that used to be a Las Vegas captain and uh he was a captain for Las Vegas PD and he supposedly uh got word was working for Diddy and got word that uh that something happened in California and he went and um dressed up like an FBI agent or act like he was an FBI agent and took these females and took them to his house or to a house and was paid his neighbor off, gave the neighbor some money and all of that. Now he's the police chief in Maui and they um trying to put him on administrative leave and um but he was was a captain Las Vegas PD in 2018 and all of this supposed to happen in 2018 and and and it's crazy that this a police captain uh supposedly been uh taking care or or hiding out victims, alleged rape victims and stuff like that. Huh. And It just happened. You know, this I think this came out like March the 11th or March 12th. And so, who knows what's going to come from that, but that's that's going to be a big one as well. That's going to be a big one. Now, Suge always says free Kefi D. Yeah, Suge says that. I believe he says that. It's unfortunate that he says that because all of the lies or all the things that people did for and that you know the gang members uh that they did uh after the shooting of of Tupac in the comp Southside [ __ ] area you know back and forth with each other and they did this because they thought that they well number one that this happened on the Ma Pyu are watch the southside Captain Crips had to respond time uh because you know what what what the M power rules and the lutters par rules allegedly started to do or the defro guys allegedly started to do and to say that if now playing with it after all these people took penitentiary chances. Some people lost their lives. a little little young girl uh lost their lives uh by these it was like 13 or 14 reported shootings within a twoe period of time right after Tupac'sville and to be going online saying freaky fe because I understand the situation I understand where he's at all guys when they in prison and all that we don't want to see nobody in jail you know they all say that I don't want yeah [ __ ] that rapist uh Uh people beating up on old people, people beating up on kids, and people burglarizing old people. Man, people need some people needs to be put in Oh, you know, some people need to be in jail. This whole like free everyone thing is ridiculous. That's crazy how we treat these guys when they they come home from Yeah. You really want Dylan Roof out on the street shooting up churches? I don't think so. So my whole point is people took too many pit chances and people lied lost their lives behind him saying this because he's being funny. He's been saying he's the one been on camera saying Tupac's alive. He done said Reggie and Sharita has something to do with whoever he's mad at at the time. Now now Snoop Dogg kept catching these strays. Whoever he's mad at. Whoseever he's mad at at the time. catcher. They had something to do with Tupac. Well, what's interesting is that I've been having a conversation with someone uh who was actually part of the grand jury and you know they might be on Vlad TV soon and they're adamant that Orlando was not the shooter. Well, yeah, but he he put the person next to him. He put the person that he live I know you talking about the person that was living with him. He he said freaky did it. He said Big Dre did it. Big Dre. So, a lot of people says that because of the car seating and all that. KPD is the one that put it on his damn fuel. It's true, right? And because the way I had it explained was Big Dre was the one that was actually seated at the window that was directly, you know, direct line of sight to Suge's car. And he said that you wouldn't have someone have a gun right in front of your face. You cross over them. Yeah. when you when you being out and don't want to do it and you that mad because you just got assaulted a few hours ago, you'll reach across the person and fire those shots. But hey, only reason we know who's supposedly being the shooter and all that is because of who? Kefi D. Well, and that's the obvious person if you were to just guess who did it, right? Cuz he's the one that has a motive. Correct. Right. you know, but Dre was also known to be, you know, the person who would shoot people as well. They were writers. Yeah. Or they were and they were super close friends. And uh yeah, it was basically like the way I explained to me that it it didn't really matter who did the shooting between the two of them. Yeah. No, the four. And unfortunately, Kei is the only one that's left. Yeah. But only reason we get all this information and all that, Ki D. Yeah. I mean, Kei is the only person to go on record multiple times, multiple, and say that Orlando did it. And and it's unfortunate that people say, "Well, he only did it because because uh he was able to start making money." Vlad TV, BET Chronicles, and all them to start paying didn't know who the f Aki D was until about 2016. Well, y'all y'all heard of his name, but you hadn't had any conversations with him. You hadn't talked to him prior to that. He's been telling this story since 2009. I don't know how people don't forgets that. I don't know how this his attorney doesn't know that that Keith, you know, their whole thing is, well, he just doing that for money and most he's been telling us what money was he getting in 2009. Who was was you paying you weren't even paying people in 200 just launching yet? Exactly. So, nobody was paying who was paying for the interviews in 20 He hadn't even wrote this book yet. So, why does Su call you Judas? He called me Judas. Got a good reason. I call I would say savior but he used the word Judas and he did he said and nobody knew what he was talking about Reggie right because I'm transparent and said oh no that nigga's talking about me if you listen to it when he first ended nobody knew what he was talking about but I don't want to put it out and said oh he talking about me so this was what happened story I think I saved hip hop that day from having at least a black eye okay all All right. So, Suge Knight wanted back in 9596. It was Bad Boys and and Death Row were the two big record labels. They had other artists that were doing good, but they were the record labels, right? And so, the Soul Train Music Awards was the big thing that was going on, especially in urban hip hop, right? Source was a little bit ghetto, but it was good, too. But everybody want Soul Train was the big name one. Don Cornelius made a decision to allow Biggie Small and Bad Boy Records to open up uh for the show. They offer Suge and Tupac to close the show. Back then the big thing was you want to be the opening uh act. Sure wanted to open up the Soul Train Music Awards. he elected to go with. So Sh was like, "I'm not doing I'm not closing the show out. You know, we want to do that. This our hometown. This LA, this Tupac, we hot and all of that." Don Cornelius said no. He wanted Biggie to do it. All right. So SH is hot. So Su went out and bought about 50 tickets and had some guy this I the guy Rick James I remember he had Rick James go and get all these sweatshirts. I currently s sell them now if y'all want a sample of one. You're not talking about Rick James the singer. No, no, no. It's a different boy from Fruittown Pyro. Well, you know what's funny is that Rick James is mentioned in this paperwork. Oh, yeah. I tell you, you didn't want to go over the names, but it's a whole bunch, right? No. The Kefi D, you know, operation from 98 has Rick James' name all over it. Correct. That's a guy named his true name is Victor Welch. He's from Fruittown Pyu. Uh little short guy. He looked well. Anyway, um so he had him go out and and hustle up all these guys and got these t-shirts made, these shirts, these sweat tops made that had punk and um Compton most mighty or something like that on the back and they all had the burgundy t-shirts on or sweat tops. Actually, they were short and their plan was to go rush the stage and pull Biggie off there. Off the stage. I'll just say that. And pull him off the stage was the plan. So, me now hearing this, and I guess I was Judas, a traitor. I say savior, got wind of this. the guy that runs the security at the Darthy Chandler uh pavilion was I think he was a sergeant or maybe a lieutenant or at the time for LAPD but he was a guy that grew up right around the corner from where we all grew up at in the Ma Pu. His daddy was at the time a commander end up retired as a a deputy chief. Uh uh Captain Davis I mean well Davis was his name Julius Davis but I know Keith me and Keith grew up grew up together. Keep about two years older than me. And so I called Keith like Keith cuz we always see each other when we were going to the war show and he was running the security there like Keith man it's about to be a whole bunch of dudes. They all got tickets, but they about to come and they going to cause problems in there, man. If I was you, I wouldn't, you know, let them all in together or something. I don't know what you can do, but just watch out with all these guys with this these shirts on now. So, when we pull up there, of course, they on alert or whatever. We go, we all try to go, which was stupid. We all try to go through the back gate. Anybody ever been to the Soul Train Music Awards? You had the back gate where all the trailers and all that be and then you have the front of the the auditorium where everybody go. They only let Mike's car in and she'll and them with the Hummer in. And that's all they were let in. They made everybody else go around front. That's when we go in and we had the confrontation with with Big and L cuz they were coming out as we was coming in and that's when that happened. But he calls me Judas because I told on myself as I do and told me [ __ ] I wasn't letting that go down. You know this is later. It wasn't that day but I told it later on that [ __ ] I the one to call Keith and that's why they didn't let him in. He just was like whatever. You know he didn't think nothing of it cuz I'm thinking I saved us. You know but he look at it in a different light. But as you know we over it. you done been you done heard conversations between us, you know, our relationship, you know, but he called me Judas. And so now, what's the whole screenshot about Harry allegedly cooperating? Yeah. So, you and Wack 100 have the same screenshot, and I think Wack 100 talked about that in my show last time. And uh, you know, me and Harry O's a weird kind of back and forth because remember I called him And I'm like, "Oh, it was Vlad. Oh, what's up, man?" "Oh, you know, interested in doing an interview." "Okay, cool. I'm going talk to my people. I'll get back to you today." That he never answered his phone after that. And I'm just like, "What's the point of doing that?" Like, you're you're you're causing undo just, you know, negativity for no good reason. If you don't want to do it, just tell me you don't want to do it. But sit there and just not ignore, you know, like I called her from multiple phones just to see what happened. And sure enough, you know, I think I was blocked on the first phone cuz the other one rang. Um, but at the end of the day, you don't have to do an interview with me, but you should try to maintain good relationships with the media because then conversations like this end up occurring and if we don't have a good, you know, relationship with you, we can't really shield you from this kind of stuff or give you the heads up or whatever else. So, what exactly is this paperwork that you're referring to? Well, all the paperwork is is just showing that he had denied uh ever going down and was cooperating with the uh the federal agents and that all that paperwork is just shows that he was going back and forth uh at the grand jury. There was a grand jury convened against their uh for um racketeering and the drug money being launched into it and all of that. What we'll say in that grand jury and all of that, I don't know. All I know at at the end of the day, uh, all we were found guilty of because I personally had SH Knight's father go down and take the plea on behalf of the company and all he got was found for a misdemeanor uh uh failing to file taxes um doing a timely manner and they gave him uh the corporation a uh a misdemeanor uh conviction. I guess that's just for the for the government to get Su. But on Suge side, he got paid out $4 and a half million dollars by his accounting firm Gail Fan uh for for failing to do that and for putting him in that situation. Uh Su all his taxes and everything has been paid unfortunately, you know, during the bankruptcy is uh all of that stuff got taken care of. That's why a lot of his creditors wasn't able to get taken care of. But all of that, of course, we all know the government get taken care of first and so they got their money. Uh, but you know, I I I be [ __ ] on Hario and all. This is a man. I took it personal because I coringle some some of my funds and stuff with Su when I was running from Suge. I purchased a, you know, a building uh from him and I, you know, and and and they knew that my personal house wasn't uh wasn't um purchased, you know, illegally with no death row money. It was from the money I made from my security company and all of that, but they tried to go where I had to go and defend myself to, you know, to prove that, hey, stop trying to go out to my house. You know, if SH wouldn't have uh filed bankruptcy, who knows what would have happened where they were trying to go at my little $2 million house that I had at the time. And so that's why only reason that I have any van, you know, anything towards Hario and other than I hate being called a lie. Whack pretty much on his exposure show told me, "Hey, Rich, if you ain't got no paperwork, then you can't be calling nobody an informant or a snitch." And so I couldn't get the grand grand jury uh transcripts, but the most I can show is paperwork with him going back and forth uh meeting with the the people that were um in charge of the grand jury. Well, does that actually prove that he cooperated just cuz he had a meeting? Why would they bring you three or four times if uh you was just saying, "I have nothing to say. I take the fill." You might get one one transport out, but three times. I see what you're saying now. And we all know it that we had gotten information from other people such as Rick James, a person we spoke on earlier, episode, he went down there and testified with the grand jury, you know, so we we knew what was going on. Juel, she went and testified before the grand jury. Um, pretty much anybody that was on that show, Welcome to Death Row, uh, actually was working with Harry during that time period. I mean, do you think at some point Suge will start to cooperate in order to get his time down or do you think he's really going to rock out this whole 28 years or whatever percentage? It's only 10 years left. Okay. It's only 10 years left. His release date is 2034 if nothing happened. 2034. Damn. He'll be 70 years old at the time. I think Su reputation or or his street credit to people is more important than spending time with his family. That's my opinion from him. Uh if he could do it secretly, we might have a different conversation. But you know, that's one thing you can't do is do something like that secretly. Yeah. I mean, who wants to die in prison? But then again, who wants to be in prison? As I told you earlier in this interview, Vlad, my father's 78, 79 years old, still doing good. So people are leaving till 80 84. So yeah, got another 12 years to come. Who wants to get out in their 70s? Yeah. You know, like I I don't know. Like do you think that Suge legitimately has a get out of jail free card right now if he played it? Well, okay, this is what a lot of people say. Well, Donald Trump, let me just try to educate y'all. Let's be the grown man. Donald Trump is a federal. He can only He can't pardon show. He can pardon Diddy. He can dody. Yeah. Federal. All right. Nevada. That's a different state. The only person right now that comport is Nuen, Gavin Newsome, the governor of Well, but but can't there be a deal between California and Nevada? And that's my only point. That's where I'm about to go. California and Nevada governors or or prosecution will have to come up a deal to do that. That's be the only way that Governor Nuome or whoever be the governor. And well, it's not even a part. I'm not talking about a pardon. I'm talking about can and I don't know how this works, right? But can California, Nevada get together and say, "Listen, if Suge provides this, no, not the governor. If Suge gets on the stand and cooperates in this Kefi case and says, "Yes, I saw Kefi in the car. I've known him since we were kids. You know, he used to go in my backyard and have pool parties. I know exactly who he is. He was in the car. I saw Orlando. I saw, you know, Dre, whatever else. Those guys, you know, Orlando, I know. Dre, I don't know. But Kefi, I definitely know. And that'll 100% confirm that Kef is going to prison. Now, Nevada may feel they have more than enough evidence. They don't need Suge. And but let's just say that they're like, "Listen, we just want a slam dunk, okay? So let Suge out 10 years early in exchange for his cooperation. And like I said, governor or as we learned from the Menendez brothers case, right? Maybe the DA Yeah, the DA can do it. But guess what? The DA got to also do have that even though the the DA, the crazy DA that got beat was trying to let him out, but guess who? They had to take it before the judge. Mhm. So, yes, a judge and the DAs can can make it happen, right? But it has to be people from the state of California, not from Nevada. Uhhuh. Okay. Now, Iv Gotti just passed. Yeah. Rest in peace. Yeah. Rest in peace. Yeah. I did an interview with him, man. Me and his brother, Chris, are actually really cool. We spoke uh few days ago. Yeah. No, I really like Chris is the one who I had relationship. He's a cool He's a He's a Yeah. Yeah. Irv. I've interviewed once, but that was it. Um, now you used to hang out with Irv a little bit. Irv and SH only through SH. Yeah. Yeah. Because Murder Inc. used to come hang out with Shook. Correct. Was it who said the story? Was it Jaw Rule that said that when Suge first met him met him that he cried because he remind him so much of Tupac? You know the story. Yeah. I mean, I heard the story. I didn't see that part, but I was at the studio. I don't want to set up the the meeting. Okay. What happened was uh Jimmy I uh Payne the song was on u pain was on above the real soundtrack right and they had sampled it. Jimmy they had called Jimmy Inner scope and asked as ask uh Jimmy to clear it. Jimmy told you you know defro has to clear it you know because it was on above the realm. She had just came home a day or two. So I don't think people had knew the [ __ ] was out because you know we didn't have social media like like we did now. But people didn't hadn't heard. They called and they got to me of course because I was the connect person at that time and I told Suge, "Hey, the the guys is on the phone. They trying to get the song clear." He said, "Where they at?" Suge is a in person. He's a spontaneous guy and an inerson type of guy. Where they at? They so happen at the studio in Burbank called Enterprise Studio. They up at Enterprise right now working. Tell them we're on our way up there. We go up there, them [ __ ] just clash started talking and it was all good and they were cool ever since. And so that's how it how it pretty much went. That's when they met Mcgriff. He was with him. Okay. She met Supreme also. Supreme was there and it was all good. And um now of course everybody was just hanging around and stuff. That story that you asked me about that led into this. I don't know. I can't confirm or deny, but SH Suge and and and V had got even so close and where they were going to do something. It was this artist that SH was promoting at the time named Crooked Eye and that's why they even put Crooked Eye in that Ashanti video and stuff. Oh, they were going to let Crooked Eye go over the Murder Inc. and do something and Ju was gonna come and do something with Death Row. That was just because and Murder Inc. was big at the time. Well, Inc. Well, they wouldn't eat, but they were big at the time. And so that's when uh they were just going to do some cross cross whatever just to see who can do the best. I guess something like what Jermaine Depri and uh and um Ellie Reed did with Janet and u and Mariah Carey or something like that. Well, yeah, but at the time Murder Inc. was on fire and Death Row was barely struggling. I mean, shout outs to Crooked Eye. Like, me and him are cool, but he never did anything at Death Row. He didn't get his opportunity. Yeah. He never got the opportunity over there. He, you know, he got into his groove later on. Yeah. He was doing Slaughterhouse and, you know, the independent stuff and so forth, but like at Death Row, they didn't really have any really stars at that time. No, it was just Corrupt at that time. Corrupt. It was just Corrupt and uh Crooked Eye, right? But Corrupt never really put out anything through Death Row, did he? Yeah, he put out a little song against the grain or something like that. It came out. That's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about I mean Corrupt was a viable artist dog was a big project. Um 2004 What's the name of the Corrupt album? Uh Streets as a mother or something like that. Yeah, that was that was done on uh was that done the one on Death Row in 2005? I don't know. Uh it was one that he did like 2004 2005 on E1 that came out on Cotch Entertainment. Hold on a second. Yeah, the streets is a mother. Hold on a second. Let me see. That's when you call yourself the president and the president of death. Uh, this came out under Antra Artemis. Okay, that was the one that was That's what I'm saying. That's not even on death. Yeah, that was before. So, yeah, corrupt may have come back and put out a song. Yeah. No, no, keep looking. He did one on on Katcha Entertainment and that was through Death Row 2005. Yeah. 2005 2004. Are you talking about Space Boogie Smoke Odyssey? Was that? No, that's also Antra Artemis. And then Against the Grain, Death Row Cotch. Yeah, that came out in 2005. Recorded in 2002. Yeah. Well, it was during that time. Yeah. Correct. And this album I I don't think did numbers. No, I don't think it did copper. It It debuted at number 60 on the Billboard 200. Correct. My point. I I mean shout out to corrupt man. Very dope lyricist. But I'm saying by that time Oh, was there he was not the corrupt, you know, of the death row hating. I agree. You know, and so that's what I'm saying. Why would Murder Inc. Cuz trying to help they were cool. That was that was my whole point. They were being cool. That's why he even let Crooked Eye be on the song with Ashanti. Why would they do that? V was trying to help SH. Okay. Yeah. with Kefi D accusing you of being involved in Tupac's murder and you know also accusing you of being involved in Biggiey's murder. Have you ever been investigated by any law enforcement at all? Biggie's murder. Yes. Really? Uh I was investigated by Greg and now I met them. They raided Russell Pool and they raided my house in 1999 I believe. Your house got raided by raided over Biggie's murder over Biggiey's murder by Russell Pool. Uh, however, you know, I lawed up and I never went and met with him or talked with anyone. They didn't have nothing. They was on the fishing uh, you know, what we call the fishing. They raided death row house, Mr. Lay's house, and my house. Wow. Okay. And then, uh, Greg Cadens and them followed me around 2007 to 2008. Thank God I wasn't doing any illegal act, you know, when I, you know, I eventually got caught up doing some some stupid marijuana game, but I wasn't doing that then. And they uh came to me and just knocked on my door. They arrested a few people, Teresa Swan, a couple of people, and then they just came knock on my door like, "Hey, Reggie, this is what we got going on. This is what we doing." And I at that time told them, "Well, give me a lawyer." You know, I'll talk to y'all when I have my lawyer contact y'all. They uh reached out to my lawyer, offered me a queen for the day uh um to come down there and talk. Um, once I found out that it was regarding the Biggie Small investigation, because I didn't know what they, you know, were investigating at that time, uh, I was like, "Okay, now I can I don't need a queen for a day. I don't need this." And at that time, I just started, uh, communicating a few times with Greg Cadens. But ultimately, you weren't charged with anything. Never. Yeah. And Greg, I tell you, they found out. I took a polygraph test and all of that, everything. Okay, let me tell you, I had nothing to do with the murder of Biggie Small. This Kefi D [ __ ] is crazy and it's the first time, the newest thing I ever heard. But as you saw from the text that I showed you from the DA, they said this is this a delay tactic that Kefi D and his attorneys trying to do. They would never present this in no court. Why are they trying to delay the case? Don't you think that they'd want to speed it along if you if you're innocent? Yeah, innocent people want to go hurry up and get justice and go to court, but when you're guilty, you want to prolong that. Hope people start forgetting, hoping things start coming up, people start dying, all that, all that. Where you got to go? And some people like stay in county jail versus go finally going to the state pan. I don't know, man. After I saw Kiki D crying on Night Line the other day, I kind of feel sorry for Keith D. Oh, I definitely feel sorry for him. I kind of feel I honestly believe now this is maybe a guy that rode on the the little bus in school. Well, I just think with Kei being who he is, I think he was bothered by Greg Kading's audio being released and everyone calling him a snitch and saying that he snitched on his nephew. And he calls, you know, his sister had a stroke behind that. I heard about that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I I just felt like he felt that he had immunity and he wanted to tell his side of the story. I believe that. That's what I think really happened. I had no intention of this ever getting, you know, to the point where he gets arrested. Um, well, I did. Well, you know, I've said this before and now I feel bad, but I did. I I played the audio. Um, I got like a dozen phone calls from Las Vegas PD asking for my raw footage and I just didn't cooperate. I I didn't not only did I not cooperate, I never even responded. But don't think it's going to stop there. Well, I mean, they can do whatever they want. I don't have to cooperate now. If I'm forced to hand it over, I'm not going to go to jail over. Correct. Correct. I agree. But Las Vegas PD, if you're watching this, there's nothing there. Essentially, almost every You put out your You put pretty much put out everything that say I put out everything. In fact, at one point, Kei and his writer went outside, okay, to talk privately, and my cameraman uh looked at me was like, "Yo, the mic's still on." I said, "Turn that [ __ ] off." Okay. I said, "I I don't want You don't even want it. I don't want it. I don't I don't want to be known as someone because I had heard that he talked a bunch of stuff on a a hot mic needed BET." Correct. I heard about that, too. And I heard BET is handing all that over Yeah. to Las Vegas. Correct. But didn't their house get raided behind that? I think the producer house possibly. Yeah. But with me, I'm like, I'm I'm not playing this kind of game because I don't want to be known as the outlet that gets somebody on a hot mic. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's like when we talk, you know, you're being recorded. Correct. You're wearing a microphone on your shirt, there's another microphone clearly pointing at you and there's three cameras in your face. Correct. So, you can't say like, "I didn't know I was being recorded." Yeah. Vlad set me up. Really? Like, okay. And there's nobody standing at the door with a gun making us answer any questions. We all doing this. We're all doing this on our own, you know. And uh yeah, you know, Eminem uh had a disc song against Suge called Smack You that got leaked recently. Okay. What' you think when you heard it? Uh, you know, it was unfortunate because I know later on in life, Suge had that running with M at the uh at the um at the video shoot and all that, but Suge actually always liked M when I was running things and I had him pied up at award show. I mean, we were they a guy named Pool Rider. He had him about to do something bad to him at the social awards and it uh he had a assistant right there that was with him. This guy named Dean who actually was the guy that founded Eminem for Jimmy I even though they give Dre and all them credit but Dean was Jimmy's right hand at the time and I had a great relationship with Dean cuz he would always whenever I need to get a hold of Jimmy or get to him he would make sure Jimmy called me by the end of the day or whatever. Yeah. Uh, Wack 100 actually uh an interview we did recently. I guess Suge did 10 months for not cooperating over Pool Rider punching a guy. That's another incident. But yes, correct. Yeah. So Pool Rider kind of with the valet the valet guy. The valet situation. Exactly. Correct. And I'll be honest, I was going to snitch on Pool Rider on that. Had the lawyer and everything. And you know what SH did tell me? No, don't even I don't never want to hear anything about that. He's still strong on that one. He's still strong on that one. I give him that. But back to the Eminem story. Sugar always liked him. It's unfortunate that him did that and felt that way. I guess it was leaked. It was something that was done around, but he always just looked at him as a funny rapper. He never really had any problem with him or anything. It just he caught the he's catching he caught the stray of being on Dre's label. There you have it. Yeah. Well, recently there was a situation. Someone at the door. Hold on a second. What the [ __ ] The police. The police always trying to come. We Oh [ __ ] Y'all know everything. You think you going to creep out here on me? My brother. Hey, listen. We been listen bro. We looking like liners now. I know I didn't crash the party. I got the [ __ ] where I be. Listen. Do I got to sit in the content? Huh? Oh lord, the recording, bro. I listen man now. I got to I got to go to work today. No jumping. Vlad, I hope I'm not violating your space. No, it's all good. We family now. You see this face is That's right, friend. Uh-huh. But Re, how dare you think you you know what I call homeless sis? Where Re at? He ain't lag. He will re are you in here? Cuz this man been running a muck on us right now. Mr. tonight and if one day sometimes you the friend, sometimes you the goon, but at what point in time are we going to silence this guy? What you talking about? What? Huh? What are you talking about? This dude is insinuating that he didn't say what he said. I know Bomb First Community hates it. Yeah. About Tupac. Oh Lord. Now we got the audio. When are we going to let go audio? I mean, we should just give it to Vlad. I mean, if that's all right with Vlad. Vlad got it. I gave it to him a long time ago. Vlad got it safe. Keep it, too. Hey, Vlad. Everything I got. You got it. I got I got a few things. Vlad, I got a few things. I got a few joints and stash. I got all type. Let me get you a chair. Lord, come on. All right. Hold on. All right. You know this is double trunk. That's right. The world ain't never seen this. Uhhuh. All right. So, we got you a seat. Yeah. Got you. Let's see the table. Got to see. I ain't seen my brother in years. Many moon. We talk all the time out there every day. 2002 was the last time you guys have actually physically seen each other. Most people would believe that. Nobody. 23 years. You guys have been in contact. Obviously, we talk all the time. Yeah. But this is the first time you physically seen each other. Um, his wife, family, all the time. There you have. But it's all But you know what, Re? We have never had a problem. No. Never. Ever. Never. Ever. Like no disagreements, no fallouts ever. So it's always been like, you know, talking to your brother, man. Yeah. Same thing with Gotti. You know, I look at the way. Same thing with Gotti. Gotti. I talk to every day. But Bob got Reggie, you're the one that kind of brought Whack into the music industry. Well, I will well on the music side, but actually his own boy Poo Ryder brought me to death row. Um, and what's tricky about that? A lot of guys bring people up there and Red's being Red, it's another one like the other one. You get an extra body and an extra head for whatever we got to do. Um, but for whatever re Well, I caught Red's attention. uh the conversation was different and he seen when we had to go out and handle our business, I could convert with that. But when I was in the office, when everybody was shooting dice, rolling their weed, I'm asking that I'm asking him. I never forget that damn fax machine over there in that back with that fax machine. Yeah. I'm like, "Why is this thing going off?" And it was literally printing the sales, the numbers. And he was like, "Long as you got this moving, you'll never be broke." And he he taught me publishing and royalty rates and this this and that. So every time I was seen, I was asking those type of questions. And um I guess no, Wag always had a head on the shoulder for business and not just, you know, we used to have a term. It's a it's a derogatory term that me and SH used to call. It's actually was stunt dummies. We used to call and he wasn't a stunt dummy. And that was a word that shook, you know. Oh, take the stunt dummies to this. Take the stunt dummies to this. And but I take the stunt dummy. So I told him, no, this ain't a stunt dummy. This dude actually So when Shu came home, that call came from Reg. Like come up here. And that that's how that that meeting was. And um he was like, "Ride with me." But I was just the janitor, you know. Sh I was just shook. You ain't sh He said, "Why y'all listen to the janitor?" You know what's crazy? If you go look at the numbers, I want to say I could be off by some millions. Yeah. I want to say Suge had generated maybe 32 33 million, right? Sales. Yeah. But his cost was in excess of damn near 123 million on expenses. When Suge went to jail, Rez generated 26 to 28 million of sales of sales, but with a million or two of cost. His cost was at a minimum because we didn't have no high budget videos, you know, a lot of the work was done. So when you look at it, you ask yourself what who really generated what. We don't take nothing from Suge because it come from him. But uh the janitor was in the was in the paint was in the positive 25 26 million. Well, where did all these costs come from? Cuz I remember you talking about sh or well just just death rows in general because for you know for example like I remember reading the book have gun will travel. You ever read that? Yeah. I didn't read about I know Ry. Yeah. Exactly. So, so there's they were kind of describe what Death Row was like and essentially there's a bunch of guys sitting around. Nobody had contracts and nobody would ever question their contracts cuz Suge would just kick him out on that. And maybe Snoop Snoop wasn't getting paid that much for a lot of the money that that was generated. Told you he was only making a$125 in his heyday, right? A record back in those days. And this is why I give death row. I give Suge credit for because he was one of those guys that kicked that door and said, "We ain't taking 30 cent, we want 30%." See, it's the I remember the alcoholics, JRO, my brother, when I parrolled, we was living together. Okay. On in Northridge, right? I remember seeing a check come in. They were literally busting down 30 cents. Yeah. Him, East, and T as a group. That's a great Now, you know the difference between busting down 30 cent versus that check would have been on a 30%. Oh, yeah. It was crazy. SH did an episode over on Arts Channel where he he tried he said that Tupac album was only he was only making eight eight points off the album. That's not true. It was 12 points. Sh gave him 18 points. So my my whole point is people think you generate more money than what you actually do in the music business from the albums, which if you making a dollar a record, uh you were doing great. That's only $5 million. Most people great albums was only selling five million records back then. Your touring, your money really coming from everything outside of it. And you still pay for your videos. Yeah. You pay for your production. You pay for your studio time. That's why a lot of people get confused and think it's more money. But as Wack say and that's where Wacking was taking them out because they got they had the benefit to start touring and going across the leaving the United States. So that's why the [ __ ] making money and all of that, right? But but there was also sort of a shift in the music industry because when people were buying physical albums, CDs, cassettes, you can keep vinyl, there was way more money made on the record sale side. So let let me just finish saying this, right? So when it came down to doing shows, people would charge less for the shows cuz they were making more money actually on the albums. But when it started to shifted to streaming and way less money started being generated from the sales, that's when you start seeing people charge a h 100,000 for a show, 200,000 for a show. Like I heard Gloilla gets like 150,000 for a show. That's Glowilla. Yeah. You know, I heard Lotto gets like a quarter million for a show. Like these types of numbers were doing two three million a show. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like these types of numbers. Yeah. If you were Michael Jackson, you get a million for a show. They didn't let us in. What? I'm sorry. on Vlad. In the 90s, you couldn't get into arenas. You know, the most you can get into was a nightclub and get $10,000 for showing up there. Yeah. I mean, Tupac was doing House of Blues. Tupac. And that was the first time when they let the one in there. We Kan Johnson made that happen from his award. Who? Kean Johnson. Who? Huh? Who? Keshan made that happen. What? When at his draft party. Not him, his team. Okay. because we met them that night at the draft party at his draft party and they introduced him to the people. Made that happen. His his team and and this man turned around and did what he did. Hey, Kan was also messing with his girl. He should violated Khan's wife. He didn't violate her. He started messing with her. Start messing with her. But yeah, he messed Keshan and Shaq and all of them was messing with his girl while he was in jail. and Ray J and all of that. So, who's art of war? Art of War. But we're saying what I wanted to say is although some may see when it was CDs and cassettes or whatever, more money was made. I will give you that out the gate. But on the overall, the long haul stream is going to generate more revenue. And I'm going tell you why. Reggie, you remember the fight was how many units could you get shipped if you only shipped a 100 thousand even in there, right? That means all throughout the I just say US, right? That means, you know, in all these different stores, Tower Records, be whatever, you only got so many, right? And if you didn't sell, you had a buyback cost, right? And with this, you had packing and shipping, the the CD thing, the printing, pressing, all this cost was in there, right? So if you dwindle down as time went on, you may go in there, you may they may say, "Okay, we're shipping a thousand out, 2,000 out this month just to keep something on the show." With the stream, right? You get a old song like I seen happen with Mystical, okay? Start going on Tik Tok, the kids, they don't got to go to the store and can't find it. They go to Spotify, Apple, and now it's streaming. So the continuous stream I can pull some of game songs up and they streaming 800,000 a million times a day. Shit's 20 years old. You know what I'm saying? So in the long run the stream does it. But the short run boost definitely that that $15.99 was getting it done. Gotcha. I saw something recently where Tupac one of his songs I think it was how do you or something like that is picking up because of the Tik Tok songs that people are dancing to now. Yeah man. So, what's this audio you guys are talking about with Suge? Oh, man. That's Wag talking about that. Oh, Suge said Suge, See, I know the problem. He keep running around. And look, Reggie, you correct me if I'm wrong, okay? I don't know if bro is is getting older because he's he's mixing up dates and eras and people. He's putting people in errors that it wasn't those people, right? And he's also saying things that he like the Tupac thing, right? Ah, being Tupac, it was never a rumor of nothing happening to Tupac. That's what he's saying, right? So then what it is is we sit back and we hold our tongue out of a little respect, but then I look up and he keeps getting disrespectful. Now some things you follow my lead. A lot of things I follow your lead. One of the things I follow your lead on is Spider Lope. And for the record, Spider, I know about a lot of things, but know cuz I heard that guy talking to you when your friends expose you. Reggie never sent me anything. I never even asked him to send me anything cuz I know y'all relationship, right? But some of these things we got to start acting like dude from North Korea. We got to start firing. Hey, SH. She he called us a liar. He pretty much said he didn't do it. He said we was lying and he he wanted to draw blood calling me uh pork butt. You you did that, bro. You go on a [ __ ] that can't even get any views channel. Won't mention his name cuz we not even and call me a derogatory name after I've been helping you the last three months, dog. Well, bro, bro, listen. He called you pork bug. He called me the trucker. But guess what? He was a truck driver. You I don't mind that. $300. But hold on though. But hold on though. Right. Yeah. He seen my accomplishments in music that he had nothing to do with Right. Correct. Uh what I learned from Sugar is what not to do. I learned from you was why I should do it. Right. But it's crazy because when you need to be put up in the in the Holiday Inn, it was a trucker did it. when certain personal things needed to be done, it was the trucker handling it, right? So, I think right now the world need to know that Suge's credibility because we hear it. We hear the BS like come on, bro. You really saying that? You really Come on. Who believe Dre got Dre have sex with men? Who believes that? In front of men. In front of other men. So, what does that make him? What does that make you? If you're sitting here watching Watch that. Yeah, I'm not watching that. That's what I'm saying. I think he's moving. He gets so far out there that he don't know what he just said and he just keep adding to it. Yeah, we watched Dre have sex with such Dre was did this to this man and we sat and watch. I believe he said that. If I said something like that, I'm going to be painted on the on the blogs. It I don't get it. But I mean, listen, man, we should let it we should let them hear. And y'all got to remember how [ __ ] talking riddles if y'all been listening to him recently. Yeah, we know his language. We know his language. We know what he was saying. Y'all could take it. I know a lot of y'all going to have a P. Oh, this is what he said. This is what he meant. Y'all listen to this audio that Vlad that whack is releasing. Y'all listen to it. And then y'all determine what he's I ain't supposed to be here. Shout out to my boy Vlad. We went from his security had a picture of my face to making it right. doing great numbers cuz I can pop up unexpected and bang on the door. Yo, security. Brotherhood is love. You know, you know what? I didn't know Vlad had security. I'm glad glad you ain't never seen a security with me. You never Well, that's because I don't bring security when you're around. Yeah, that exact a lot of people thought that. You better read those judgments online. But you know what though? One thing I can say, me and me me and Vlad been pushing and tugging at each other and and I think we both know that like it's real. Yeah. You know, it's real. And I and I appreciate that. And I think I had something to do with that. Even y don't conversations. Yeah. You try to get us together. No, that's great. But I'm I'm glad I'm I'm glad I'm glad it came full circle real. Well, whack, since you're here, uh the situation at the uh the Marathon Burger with uh Rockstar 2800 and Black Sam, I'm going to say this, and I remember I'm not going to say who it is, but a prominent hip-hop person came to my house that day, and we had a long conversation about this. And what he said, which I kind of agreed with, was the way Black Sam conducted himself that day, kind of reminded us of what Nipy was doing on the day that he died, telling someone at a public location, at a retail spot, that he's not welcome there and embarrassing him in front of other people. I was with him. If the [ __ ] ain't demonstrating for hustle, this is what I'm telling. Don't come over here. Don't come over here. Then guess what? Go do something and come back. Go get back and come back. That's what I said, bro. Listen, we're not a hollering at me. A [ __ ] disrespect, bro. You do what you supposed to say. Who disrespect, bro, to me. Don't nobody disrespect, bro. Any [ __ ] that disrespect brom ain't nobody disrespected bro in my prison when you see cuz that would have been the wrong person something definitely would have happened. I I you talking about Rockstar like that? Like if Rockstar would have been another individual who went that business the same way the they say the Nipy situation happened, right? Um, and what was crazy about it, Seth was going to be there for us for for a while. So, a dude actually had time to leave, prep, set up, mount up. So, yeah, you right. It it it it could have went that way. Yeah, I was honestly disappointed and I just felt that like I don't know Sam, right? I never met him. Nipy I knew. Interviewed him. We ran into each other, had conversations. Very cool dude. But you you would think that he would have the maturity, especially at a major event like that with so many people, so many cameras. He already understands where he's at on Melrose. They're already kind of looking at him and looking for reasons to pull his lease and whatever else. He could have just saw the guy and if he had a problem with him, he could have been like, "Hey man, I'm busy right now." Well, I kind of Well, I kind of think that You know what? Well, then let me kind of retract something because the difference between that situation and them situation is I believe Sam knew the security he had with him because I could look at the crowd and see a guy right there that was ready to not only I can see his legal too as well, right? Okay. I see his legal as well. So, he was a little more isolated than what Nip was. But I think Sam's whole thing of removing him was him trying to keep something from happening at his place. Yeah. That's why he walked him because ordinarily it ordinarily when you walk a guy across the street with a mob of cats like that with you, he get mopped up across the street. Yeah. You setting him up. You know what I'm saying? and it's like it happened over there, but he didn't allow that to happen. So, you know, if I got to factor in everything, you know, his feelings, his emotions, um him trying to understand where he was at, but him still wanting to kind of like get his point across. Um I I I can't say I would have did it any different personally on the spot cuz if it's somebody I mean like if if I run into a dude it's a problem. He had to refrain from from acting. Sam could have acted. All Sam had to do was act like he wanted to. Right. But what he did was he gave Rockstar that opportunity to do that and Rockstar didn't do that. Right. He got so much more to do. He was scared. He was scared. And I think Sam was like, I'mma let him make the move. I'mma I'mma get at him in a way that he has to. And he didn't. And at that point in time at that point in time is like I see what you saying, Vlad. But when it's like if I ever run into this dude, I'mma He just It was one of those moments. But he But Vlad, he could have went other way. He had some real He had some real dudes there. He did. He had one dude that was ready to go that person. Okay. But yeah, some real dudes there, bro. Okay. But the whole situation was based on a clubhouse talk that both you guys were in. No. Well, I don't I don't think See, that's what that's what's confusing to me because when Rockstar got on the net that night, he said when he talked to Sam sometime back, for whatever reason, he mentioned my name and Sam gave him his blessing when it came to me. That's what he said. This is why I'm telling people, well, Rockstar, if you saying Sam gave you his blessing, then why would Sam be tripping? Why would that be over me? Now, it's a few other people that you talked to has said and done some disrespectful stuff. The peanut butter man, he he said, "We pray at y'all t-shirt shop, put our hands on your daddy. We from your worst enemies." And when Nit passed, he wrote rest in piss and another one was down or whatever, whatever. He did the same thing with Draco, right? So this is another dude that you fratonized with to where I know Sam definitely will never let that go, right? He had Brick Baby where Brick kind of said, you know how the shitties do and you know the the merc, right? And Brick is a shitty and the guy that killed, right? Right. So yeah. um you know these are other people that that he a rockstar has interviewed he fratenized with kicks whatever it is but my thing is it don't matter what it's about at that point in time that's your situation as a man you know what I mean if somebody approach me and I get it all the time I you over there with the culture vulture Adam or Vlad or this this this this if somebody approaches me about that right I can't say oh Vlad you you brought this to me. No, no, you didn't bring this to me because Vlad or Adam gives me the option to come work with them if that's what I want to do. Correct. Right. Uh, as a grown man, I make that decision to come work with my brothers. So, if you're calling me and texting me and whack, could you come to my room and give me some content? Don't try to put it on me later on because you assuming, oh, it got to be about you. Well, you just said in your interview that Black Sam gave me my blessing when it came to Whack. I told him I do content with Whack to help my channel, right? So, it can't you can't have a blessing and then tell me that situation is about me. What it was was it was so embarrassing and it was going viral so fast. I hate to toot my own horn. The Wack 100 name was the only blanket to put over that fire to remotely curb it and get people talking about something else other than what they saw. I had no I wasn't there. Yeah, we not from the same neighborhood. You a [ __ ] I'm from the other side. What the hell I got to do with with your Yeah. I I wouldn't expect Wack 100 to be at the Marathon Burger. We went to Marathon Burger in January. Okay. It's been open since January. Okay, fair enough. Right. Um, but I guess in the grand opening, I wouldn't expect you to be there. No, I wouldn't. It It wouldn't It wouldn't make Not Listen, it Listen, the idiot side of me that come from where I come from, Reg, we are totally capable of mounting up and going anywhere we want to go. Not to say that it's not going to turn out in bloodshed and people get hurt and harmed. Um, I know people like Big Boy, people like Bootleg Kev, people like DJ Head, you know, uh, Gina Views. I know it's a lot of people in the industry that was going to go and support that, right? So, why would I even run the risk of going to something like that knowing if I go, I'm going to go a certain way that could potentially cause a problem to lead to some violence to put people I got love and respect for in harm's way, but not only that, jeopardize. I know what that is, right? I watch I'm watching things that's that's showing me. Black Sam says him and Nip used to go work at somebody's burger spot and when they was young and things they did in the kitchen, right? There's some value to that. And and one thing I can say about Black Sam is that when I seen him talk about his brother, he don't have a problem getting emotional when certain things come up, right? So why would I want to go up there for what in that type of situation? Can I I'm very very capable of going to any event, right? Whether we know it's gonna be a problem or not. But it's just not wise at 47 to make if I got if I care about my homeboy. Black Sam owe me no money. He ain't killed none of my homeboy. I'm not looking for him. Yeah. So why would I put him in that situation? Put him in that situation. Me in that situation and my loved ones in that situation. It's a bad leader. Well, I had a conversation with one of the outlaws about this and what my man said was very interesting. He said that when Tupac died, Afeni got everyone together, the outlaws, everyone that was close to Tupac, and said, "Listen, Pac is gone. There's going to be a lot of people. They're going to say various things. I don't want you guys to react to this. You're going to drive yourselves crazy. you're going to put yourselves in harm's way and there's no point of it. So, just let people say what they're going to say. Don't take it personally and don't try to attack everyone that happens to attack Pac. He's gone. It is what it is. We all have to stay here. And that's the thing I felt about that situation with with Sam and Nipy. It's like, listen, Nipy's gone. There's a bunch of people that loved him and there are some people who didn't like him. But if you're going to keep fighting Nipy's battles for the rest of your life, getting into situations like this, they're not always going to end peacefully. That's a fact. The problem is there was no Aeni there. It was a man there. That's a brother. It's a brother that's probably for the first couple years and I'm just I'm speaking because I got a brother that's not here has beat himself up on he should have been there. Why wasn't I there? Um if I would have been there this wouldn't have happened. He's beat himself up with these thoughts. You know what I'm saying? So it's and Sam does a great job state keeping to himself. I don't believe he's even on social media. He just did that one interview with Big Boy. Yeah. But he don't have like an Instagram. He doesn't do any of these things. And he's probably doing that for his sanity because, you know, people get on there and say some ruthless stuff. Oh, yeah. Right. You got to have thick skin dealing with that, right? Yeah. Um so, and I hear what you're saying, you know. Um because I just had this conversation the other day to where I got a call said, "Man, Sam say you was um talking about Nipio on No Jumper." I'm like, "What are you talking about?" So up with me and this other guy, Lush was debating numbers. Okay. But it had started prior to the cameras weren't supposed to be rolling, but I guess they were rolling. So they caught the asset of the thing. So we had a bet on how many units were sold. This this that what's this? What's that? And it it's it's nothing it's no different us debating Pac versus Biggie, right? Debating we debate music. Who debates that? Everybody debates that. Everybody debates Pac versus Biggie. It's a debate debate. Yeah. Yeah. They're going to debate that, right? So, but it's a debate. It's based upon either what the numbers are, your personal opinion. You know, we got a room called Good Burger on the Hunter side where they gonna be like, "Take the top 10 Usher songs versus R. Kelly or Biggie Song or who? Little Wayne versus Jay-Z." It's just a debate. You know what I mean? Put the poll up. People vote this a debate. But I hear what you're saying. At some point, you have to Black Sam has to understand that Nipy is now a name to debate, right? A name of opinion. Right. Right. And you see this situation over and over again. I mean, not only Nipy confronting Eric Holder, but Tupac confronting Orlando Anderson. A lot of these situations, you simply cannot handle them yourself at a certain point. You have to be the bigger person. You have to be the business person. You have to be the mature adult. And if you see someone you don't like, hey, what's up, man? I'm just I'm busy right now. You know, enjoy yourself. I'll catch you later. Yeah, I don't like this [ __ ] You tell your security just keep them away from me and you just go on with your day. Right? It's a public location. Okay? Now, if someone came to your house, you could ask them to leave, but you can't really ask someone to leave a marathon burger. Well, he got Here goes the funny part. Now, we going to get to the wack 100 [ __ ] He got kicked out from outside, right? Crazy, right? He didn't even enter the location. He got kicked out from outside. Yeah. You can't even legally do that. Yeah, right. Listen, unless you a buster, he got marked out, right? And then he was so delusional, he went and sold his own footage. Oh, he sold his own footage to the Smokey Show YouTube channel. I got all the text messages for 750. He said, "I have the best footage of what happened. I have all the audio, the video for 750. I need to get back to Arizona." Like, so now I'm like, "This dude supposed to be a crip." like you don't like you trying to suppress that. You're not trying to That's how we got all the audio cuz remember it was just the girls across the street. All the audio footage came from him selling his own footage. That was his girl recording it, right? So, you know, when you look at it, it's like this new uh social media clout is a new cocaine. That's what I about to say. He was definitely clout chaser. Crazy, right? So, and he should just cross all the way over. But I hear you. And you know what? I believe Black Sam's a work in progress. I've never been in Black Sam's shoes cuz my brother wasn't um a public figure among to the world to my neighborhood where we from. Yes, he was. But so it's a different thing to him. He has to get to a point to where he numbs himself about the personal opinion of others and he just knows who he is to him. Yeah. You know what I think Black Sam showed us? Um he showed us some um some good self-control because he could have just clapped his hands. He could have went and and and he didn't have to do nothing. I seen about four or five guys that was right there begging to do something to Rockstar. Yeah. But then let's just say a huge fight breaks out. Let's just say a shooting breaks out. There's a reasonable chance. Ain't no reasonable he would had a letter on that door Monday. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. There's a reasonable chance that that coming Monday this lease has been revoked. You know, we could work it out in court, but Melrose doesn't want you on here anymore. And now you got a whole different set of problems. I'm going tell you the crazy part about it. This where you got to watch it. Rockstar whole intent was was to make Black Sam look bad and Marathon Burger look bad. It just backfired on. Wait, he went there with the intent to call. No, when he put that footage out and sold it, he he sold it and told the dude to put it up. His whole intentions was to make put Black Sam in a bad light and make Marathon Burger look to the people. This is a gang bang. This is these are thugs up here. But it backfired on them and it made everybody go to the spot regardless. The next morning, people was lined up around the corner. So all Sam has to do is make sure ain't no brawls, ain't no fights and and bro, if you up there, you going to get a burger, some fries, just go even if you run into your because crips and bloods and essays and everything's going to go up there. You know what I mean? is one of those locations because of what Marathon means and who Nipy is, who Black Sam is to where, bro, when y'all go up there, get your burger, bro, sit down and eat, deal with that down the street around the corner or something because it's not going to do nothing but hurt that man's business. You know what I mean? Unless your life, if it's is an imminent threat, right? Look, man, care less about what somebody looking, bro. If you do got some respect for that man, uh, for his brother, for his kids, do know that it's not gonna take much for them people to put that notice on that door and just get your burger prize, bro, and get on. That's where we're going to end it. Reggie Wright Jr. and Wack 100 popping out of nowhere. We got peace. Incredible diapers congo coming