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The Right Opinion on YouTube Drama and DanPlan

hello ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the right opinion the home of a [ __ ] with too much free time and youtube drama comes in many different forms in the last few months a lot of my videos have focused on these situations that have spanned over years and although a drama may reach its peak in a way that catches people off guard if you look at the history normally you'll see a pattern of conflict and attention from other commentators that has contributed to a climax of sorts however drama can often be even more shocking when it happens out of nowhere when people think that actually a certain channel may be the last place to end up spiraling so dramatically and that's what appeared to be the case with today's subject the channel named dan plan feed him the tea cause obviously he spiked it so you're okay that works too i don't i don't like tea you're asian you have to like tea i'm gossip free i hate tea now when a lot of people reached out to me about this situation i will admit i was not familiar with dan plan and in spite of their approximately 2 million strong fan base many of my friends were not familiar with their content either so i sat down and watched a lot of dan plan and tried to immerse myself in their content now i think i have a decent graph but i will briefly summarize their origins and style so people have a grip on how they created such a significant following downplan as a channel was established in july 2014 by their titular creators daniel and his friend hosa with the first upload coming soon after delightfully named by the way moral of the pooping robber and i know i know i know what you're thinking you're thinking why is joe fighting a dude with a weapon wait wait wait i can do better i can do better why is joe finding a dude with a weapon but you have to realize that joe is extremely strong even today when he slaps me in the back to say hi in a friendly manner it feels like this this was the first installment of their by the way series and this video consisted of a rather crudely drawn character discussing a story told by his youth pastor in which this pastor encountered a series of burglaries conducted by a robber who defecated following each incident now the audio could be a tad better and this video only appears to include dan's commentary but you can definitely see the origins of a great channel in the making a lot of hostess creative illustrations enhance dance stories on a comedic basis and dan's outgoing nature makes him an effective storyteller there was definitely potential here however this series wouldn't receive much attention following its initial upload animation was in a bit of a lull at that point daniel and hosuh were busy people and thus it was probably not worth putting too many eggs in that basket after this dan plan spent just under a couple years dedicated to gaming content which was much more popular at the time these gaming videos weren't the most unique though they were often presented more like highlight reels and use character heads to represent different people talking and to try and give it a unique energy down was the consistent host of these videos gaming with a varying roster of guests such as anna billy j and of course hosa however there was one more character to introduce to this story that person goes by the name of stephen kill the giant thing no what are you stupid you know what really hurts you know what really hurts your stupidity hurts me okay that's what really hurts good now is the derivative of x squared three i can't tell i haven't been schooling hard stephen was introduced on the 5th of september 2015 in the upload yamate titan senpai in which he and of course dan and jose play the attack on titan tribute game like kosa and many of their other friends they were acquainted through school and college and for these comrades this was just a regular gaming session which happened to be uploaded onto youtube stephen was not one of the original members but he quickly became a recurring guest on the channel as other individuals began to appear less however these gaming videos although enjoyable for those who participated didn't set the channel on fire gaining down plan only 50 subscribers so come may 2016 the by the way series was resumed but this time with a slightly different format all right let me tell you a story about the time when my final exams ended wait so why are you telling your story in this video daniel tries to tell a story but is occasionally interrupted by his friends initially requesting justification for the change in direction and then reacting to his outlandish story regarding the time he discovered a variety of condoms under a person's bed it was a rough idea of what he had planned for these videos and over the next few uploads he would continue to refine this brand in his by the way would you rather he incorporates his friends providing them with a more prominent role in this instance the friends were hoser and jay another person who regularly appeared on the channel by the next video however the person appearing alongside dan and host was stephen and he became the principal third contributor to this content now as any creator knows these videos will not take off immediately at least most videos won't however within the year they had their first hit by the way are you a psychopath now it's quite easy to work out why this video did well it's a punchy title it's a popular topic and it's a striking thumbnail and they probably had some pretty impressive watch time too at this point animation videos had began to pick up significant traction so there was really no better time to blow up and over the months and years following they would do just that explains that all right steven hosa if you press this button someone somewhere on this earth will die i press it no no i press it i'm not impressed this is not the end of my statement let me finish this psychopath video a lot of their content integrated anecdotal style games which would often present a challenge and ask the participants to make a decision which would then lead to various consequences and banter alike it's engaging to watch and often quite interactive i would find myself pausing the videos to see if i could work out these questions or mysteries myself and as their channel grew their chemistry seemed to develop as well you don't see anything then when you turn back there's this disfigured face right in front of you ah daniel how did you get behind me it's the old man did you say you punched him in the face yeah okay if he's gonna show up without making knocking or turning on the lights he deserves to get punched in the face yeah the old man is double disfigured from the punch unless they established their brand daniel hosa and stephen by the way but more importantly dan plan their content had mass appeal the topics were timeless with great rewatch value and there was a legitimate chemistry that was rooted in a transcendent bond thanks to organic friendships that one cannot simply cultivate for mere business purposes what could possibly go wrong well a lot hey guys sorry but there won't be a stream this week but i did want to give you guys an explanation about me and dan plan and just the future of this channel so as the title of the video says i've quit dan plan join me today as we analyze dan plan what exactly went down what exactly people said what exactly went wrong and if there's any way to write it and maybe if i'm feeling a bit chat well i'll garnish this spicy dish with a few right opinions here and there i want to also clarify that due to the chronological order of this drama i'll be going over one side before the other so if it looks unfavorable towards an individual sit tight we'll get there without further ado i suggest we dive right in [Music] as said the three people central to the dam plan channel with daniel hosa and stephen over the years they established a reputation that was essential to the brand they were creating as a collective and as individuals by the way became a primary brand and often became interchangeable with the damn plan channel for many audience members within dan plan these characters had their appeal dan is the strong anchor for the content and direction of discussion posted as the precious spirit of innocence and stephen as the slightly darker more twisted geezer can i just leave the country no leaving the country that's too easy think i would go to school well i mean like schools too no it's not just in america not just in america that's this is the purge okay it's on the purge with this in mind even though the channel was owned by dan and jose it gave many viewers the impression it was a mutual venture there are a couple videos which deviated from the by the way style and those were probably more restricted to dan and poser but as many people tended to conflate the by the way series with the damn plan channel it would be easy to receive the impression that they all had a somewhat similar stake 2019 was an incredibly successful year for their damn plan squad they hit 1 million subscribers they hit 2 million subscribers they released a ton of merch launched a discord server there was a lot to celebrate but come 2020 it would all change on january the 4th dan plan released a video called by the way can you become a superhero the video is fairly routine stephen you've seen into the future a person's about to get hit by the bus three the tires of the bus the tire of the bus hits the bus rolls like 20 people inside oh my god save the elderly that was my objective saving the elderly that's all that matters unsuspecting dan fans he didn't notice much however the video was ominously labeled final episode and judging by the shock of many people in light of what happened next gives me the impression that people assume the subtitle didn't mean the end of dan plans series but more the end of the two parts which they are titled in such a way before however less than five hours later stephen a third of by the way formally announced in a video that he was going to be departing dan plan now that's obviously shocking for many reasons but people leave shows people leave groups people move on that's what you expect what people didn't expect was the explanation normally you have some quaintly written letter thanking people for the good times and the memories and i'm not doubting that steven didn't have some of his own but they were not the focus of this video he had a greater issue to discuss this isn't gonna be a daniel exposed video but i did want you all to know about how this all started daniel himself let's break the video down announcing that he had formally left in mid-december stephen takes us back to the start and breaks down his role on the channel i've already explained a fair bit of this but stephen emphasizes that he was not part of the channel at first and he only became involved when hosa proposed a third member which became particularly integral when dan plan transitioned from gaming to more character-driven animation videos our unique theme and on-camera personalities meshed so well and that's probably why we got so popular so fast the three of us and our dynamic was just remarkable and the way we float off of each other is still something that amazes me looking back then he talks about their success and how their dynamic concept and delivery all contributed to it he talks about the scale of the success and his own reaction nonetheless he has never considered it more than a hobby him establishing a role in the success and how he has perceived it sets up his next point which will be the treatment and credit that he has received it's no secret that i've never thought of youtube as anything other than a hobby even now with actually steven i still don't consider it a job but daniel did which brings me to this year and why friends and business don't mix this is where the first issue comes in as a main voice on the channel and someone who was involved in the presentation he felt proportionately he deserved more than he was receiving from dan plan he accepts that he's not quite as involved but in the month where he states the child was making five figures he had only received a total of 225 we can assume this occurred around early 2019 as he stated the upcoming instant due to this happened around nine months prior to him quitting in december now to receive such a meager wage in return felt insulting to him however for many a problem like this between friends wouldn't be publicized unless he had attempted to find a compromise himself unfortunately this attempted resolution led to a very angry two-day dispute between daniel and stephen in which stephen requested a 20 share of the channel daniel not only rejected this proposal but the dispute resulted in what many view as daniel's most objectionable statements so me and daniel argued for hours over the course of two days but then i asked daniel what could i do to increase my share in dan plan and everything just imploded he said nothing you're just an employee you have no share and that statement has stuck with me ever since we fought and it hasn't gone away at this point stephen proceeds to directly respond to this statement once again re-emphasizing his contribution and then contrasting it with daniel's statement to highlight its disrespectful nature he then proceeds to say at that point he planned on quitting but wanted to stay due to multiple reasons including host's attempt to resolve the strain relationships the fact that stephen enjoyed the fame and attention but primarily because he wanted to prove himself worthy of having more of a share more of a position on the channel however the more he buys that approval the more he came to the realization that it was ultimately unobtainable and so for the past nine months i tried god knows i tried every recording session i brought my humor my edge to the table but i fought a losing battle the more effort i put into developing my character developing steven i realized how little daniel valued it formal mafia steven huggy zombie apocalypse steven hosa steven daniel didn't give me a script to do those characters i made them up and i made my personalities enjoyable but to daniel every recording session i was merely talking to friends to him i wasn't putting in any effort into the videos every recording session i wanted to swear at daniel for real to yell at him so much that i had to stop talking sometimes or else i might say something i would regret the next day and that feeling only grew each session until the last recording in november that we did where i finally just zoned out and stopped trying it all nine months ago when we argued i asked dan how many views on our videos were garnered by me he said he didn't have an answer a few weeks ago i asked him the same question again and his answer didn't change so i know that no matter how hard i try no matter how many personalities i perfect daniel will never consider me an equal on the channel so i quit steven ends with some rather somber messages stating that people should know their own work on the channel because daniel won't recognize it otherwise and that ultimately he regrets being a part of dan plan because he still believes he'd call down a friend if he'd not involved himself with the channel in the first place sat there are a lot of messages to break down within this video but we can't say too much currently as there are still many more perspectives to analyze and conflicting points of view what i will say is that in light of this video a majority of people believed him but they weren't necessarily hostile towards daniel they more passed on the message that as it stood they were upset with him but would like to hear his side nonetheless however before that could happen there were a few more hammers to fall and we'll get into that right now [Music] approximately a week after his video stephen conducted a two-hour stream which obviously made me very happy as it was more material for me to sit through thank you steven but jokes aside there are some key details here even if you have to sift through a lot of the casual discussion though i am going to be reserving some details for later discourse now at this point daniel had not responded yet and had not replied to any of stephen's messages seeking resolution leading to a significant amount of frustration stephen felt uncertain as to dan stacher decided to proceed with this live stream where he talks more about the conditions surrounding these situations let me preface this entire stream by saying i have reached out to daniel i talked i tried to talk to him yesterday just so i can give him some time between getting like all this drama dropped on him and then like him actually wanting to talk to me so i tried to give him like at least some time and in that time i was hoping that he would post something or at least try to dispel the things i said in my video but it's it's just been total silence from him and i'm not sure what else to do at this point so i'll just give my side of the story and if it somehow overlaps with his feel free to i guess disprove them daniel there's a lot to digest here and i would obviously recommend watching it yourself if you're truly interested in what he said a lot of it is relating to feelings that he's had following the video how he's coping what he's planning to do when dan responds and so on and a few more personal questions such as whether he believed youtube changed dan of which you can probably guess steven's answer however there are a few interesting points here the first one was regarding pay according to steven poser's co-owner was originally being paid on a 50-50 split with dan however at some point in 2017 the split was altered so that dan received 85 percent to host his 15. quite the change and i don't know if he wants me to say this but he did like during our argument i did find out that hosa was being paid 50 50 until until some time later when he suddenly went down to 15 rather than 50 not 50 15 daniel took the 85 and then just paid out whoever with the with like the hundred percent which is insane to me hosa probably has reasons for it but like it was just insane that i heard that and then i asked him hey hosa how much have you been paid and he said 28 000 okay so let's assume that 28 000 is 15 of the total revenue not even just like gross like the total amount it's just the amount that daniel has made so let's say okay so 28 000 fifteen percent do some like multiplication and division you end up with about forty thousand dollars made in revenue which is exactly the same as the social blade midpoint the more i dove into it the more i realized how many more people were being screwed this is not just a me problem anymore when i started digging i started asking the animators how much were you getting paid and the answers kept being the same about 450 dollars per month for a month of work they get 450 and it's not even consistent because sometimes it takes more than a month to make a video but you still get 450 now stephen states in the description that this comment was actually incorrect and although he got the details right he got the maths wrong hosa actually made 42 000 canadian dollars which i mean by estimates of the share damn would have comparatively made 280 thousand he also calls out dan for paying the animators who work for him 450 dollars a month while on quote full-time hours in spite of the observed money he was making steven uses social blade to back up his statements here we'll hold these thoughts until later like he's daniel has essentially trapped any animator who actually wants to make a living just by paying them like slave wages while still making them work full time one more point relates to the individual by the name of jay now jay had appeared on dan plant's channel multiple times often alongside steven in this video there is an air of uncertainty about jay's role however one thing that many have observed were the similarities between jays and steven's personalities leading many to theorize that dan was planning on replacing stephen with jay altogether steven says he feels that after the confrontation in early 2019 down was looking to do just that as his mannerisms were very popular however stephen didn't feel that jay was a specific replacement as he believed that no one could truly emulate his style stephen also discloses that jay was being paid nothing whatsoever which was surprising for many considering the numerous appearances that he had made on the channel as well although he was just a guest i knew for a fact that daniel was trying to replace me after the fight that we had back in march after the march incident and i think because of that it made me see like people around me as my replacements do i think jay was a replacement no no one can emulate this greatness so yeah i don't think jay was a replacement for anyone however these specifics were still shrouded in mystery one thing that seemed prevalent in this case was the lack of evidence a lot of what we'd heard up to this point was either party testimonies or third-party comments relayed through stephen this is also probably given that a lot of the anecdotes were based on verbal interactions and obviously one doesn't typically think to record calls it's not really considered kosher so many people were eagerly awaiting dan's response and it was coming but enter's stage left an unexpected guess jay himself now jay had been commenting on the situation from the sidelines however on the 17th of january days before damn would release his own response jay makes his video titled why i say i'm not a part of dan plan now i'll add the disclaimer this video is currently private and we'll discuss that towards the end before we indulge in those details we should probably investigate what the video exactly says to summarize it basically does what it says on the tin with a bit more to boot he opens it up with the acknowledgement that he's not as invested in it as other parties but felt an inclination to contribute due to his position he talks background about his relationship with dan why he was restricted in his commitment stating that everything seemed fine until july 2019 a few months after dan's confrontation with stephen so it's around this time i guess so july 2019 um that i started to get a hunch or a feeling i had a hunch that something was off with damn plan channel internally so i decided to do a small investigation privately and when dan found out about it that i was digging he adamantly tried to make me drop it he did not want me to dig around and that is when i learned several extremely dangerous issues in july 2019 jay states that he began investigating some of the apparent internal issues of the channel but when daniel found out he became quite agitated and determined to steer attention away from these problems however according to jay this just led to more problems surfacing firstly that of pay jay attest that when initially splitting the channel revenue dan split the revenue 50 50 with hosa in a perfect attempt to block out stephen he states when asking about this dad decided to deflect this decision onto various reasoning which did not appear particularly water types um dan later reasoned that the reason steven was left out was that stephen was very uncaring about the youtube project the example dan gave to me was that stephen would be on his phone during the recording um i actually confirmed that with steven that it only happened twice and both occurred during a very long recording session lasting four hours one with the hunger game and one with the mafia and stephen would also not do much in terms of his channel with editing et cetera but i'm pretty sure a lot of you damn planned followers might know steven had an incredibly massive influence at six points like he had a massive audience he also clears up the changing of these shares stating hosa didn't want any money and wanted it invested back in the channel yet daniel continued to pass on a share to host regardless jose specifically told dan that hosa did not want the channel money he wanted jose wanted dan to use the money to grow the channel but dan later essentially pushed the money onto hosa for at least 15 so the damn plan revenue was split 85 to dan 15 to wholesale that's just a side note so stephen and of course steven zero he goes on to talk about the incident where steven finds out about the money that dan's making from the channel and goes on to demand 20 percent he also says this which is curious well steven approached dan about it later about the monetary issue and stephen requested 20 of the channel shared uh dan might say that it's 33 that was not that was not that is not true stephen himself requested 20 something to keep in mind so during these negotiations jay states that daniel rejected stephen's proposals wholly obviously referencing the employee quotes currently jay isn't saying anything particularly revelational in its implications but 10 minutes in it becomes a bit more implicative i suggest we delve into that right now now i don't want to go through this video step by step because for some people who will be familiar with the video already that wouldn't be particularly helpful so what i'm going to talk about is how the video characterizes dan and which situations jay uses to back these claims up the first point the people in the situation thus far attested to is the notion of the lack of empathy on dan's part which has led to hurtful things being said and jay stays pretty consistent on this basis he dives into how daniel views the idea of shares on the basis of dan's employee comments jay decides to break down exactly why those comments were made and the disparity between stephen and daniel's perspectives on a person's position in a business stephen's not dumb and to be honest he's one of the probably the smartest people that i met he knows his stealth value he knows he's worth the critical mistake that dan makes at this point wasn't just rejecting the shared proposal and then gutting it to zero is the implications behind that action stephen asked for shares because he recognized his own value on the channel however daniel disagreed he had a very different unconventional definition for shares for dan a share was something precious that the only the originals could get also like i just want to make a note that dan's definition fluctuates greatly um dan's definition of share doesn't even revolve around money or business-wise it's just a special title under special lock are you an original no then you get nothing that was dan's mindset so even if stephen was there when dan physically made the channel just by the virtue of stephen not doing enough in dan's eyes steven's original title was withdrawn without even stephen knowing so when dan told stephen that he's getting zero percent dan implicitly told stephen not only that is he worth zero percent towards the implant that he's not even a percentage percentage worth towards dan plan he pretty much also told him that he's not even viewed as an original dan was telling an important asset to his company dan plan who brings an enormous audience and had an immense potential regarding his charisma humor that he was just a member an employee dan told stephen that implicitly that he's a disposable unit easily replaceable one on the basis of these differing perspectives it made daniel's comments even more insulting even if they made sense to him at the time the fact that stephen viewed shares as representative of contribution and daniel telling stephen that he was going to be receiving absolutely nothing gave stephen the impression that dan viewed his contribution as having no value whatsoever regardless of how much he was being paid jay also outlined that if stephen was there originally dan's reasoning that stephen didn't do enough meant that he wouldn't have been valued as a quote original either basically there were a plethora of excuses that daniel could pull to make sure other associates were locked down to the depository but why was he locking people out well the second attribute i would use to describe jay's perspective of dan is nihilistic indifferent and that obviously isn't going to be well received in a community with an emotionally invested audience jay claims that dan doesn't pay his animate as well often paying full-time animators around 450 canadian dollars a month which is around 320 american dollars not really sustainable for a full-time job it's a giant sweatshop originally there were three animators on when they started just started off hosa included now they are at 12 without hosa they get paid an inconsistent 450 canadian per month at best and i have seen one example of dan actually guilt-tripping and haggling animators for their pricing jay does observe that there are part-time animators but claims that daniel doesn't really treat them differently or recognize the new ones he also states that when surveying said animators a large majority that being 8 out of 10 of them weren't happy with the work environment the morale is low there's no sense of community the list goes on but they say the same thing dan is an insecure employer instead of polishing and motivating the current animator team all he does is just hire non-stop to replace those who leave the team because of this there is minimal difference between the full-time motivators and the part-time animators another issue that i found within the animation team is that they're no longer community that they hoped it was before when it was three animators maybe four maybe five even including hosa they were a community they talked to each other they played games with each other they enjoyed their time with each other now with 12 on the board and i think there was more before that's no longer the case they're essentially cubicle slaves they don't i i don't see any activity within the server i don't see them talking to each other and as far as you can tell they are just living in their own corner in addition to this jay talks about the time daniel asked him to replace hosuh given that hosuh is going away for a couple years hosa agreed to this willingly basically i was supposed to replace hosa um hosa has already left korea for his mandatory military service for the next two years so i decided to ask dan implicitly if i would get shares the answer was no i would get nothing i was pretty much told the same thing as steven even though i was still technically one of the originals i was there for i believe the second video and onward but i wasn't original enough for dan daniel once again presented no offer in return before stating that he could receive a hourly recording rate of 20 dollars which once again considering the money that jay and steven stipulate daniel is making is a rather laughable son how do you explain such behavior well jay implies really that as the owner and main benefactor of the channel dan recognizes that he has the power and that as the man with the decision-making power he can make decisions that are unfavorable to everyone else and they will have to decide whether they like it or leave it jay states that daniel appears to treat the high turnover with a level of detachment stating that it's just the way it is and that people come and go so there's no real point in cultivating an overly friendly environment dan seems to embrace the consequences after all if someone doesn't like the job they're doing they can just leave right that's how jobs work but during my investigation he says this to me and this is to quote dan people will leave eventually no one plans on staying at one place forever and that was his excuse to do nothing about the animation team nothing else if you want to leave leave no i'm not telling you to stay here forever i'm not gonna do anything i mean on principle yes but jay's issue extends to the fact that many people don't have much of an option they need to find work and dan plan is such an established channel that people will work for it without question which leads to a race to the bottom regarding pay and it's not that daniel can't offer more it's a question of whether he should but dan doesn't really seem concerned with that people come and go and if they don't like working for him then they don't need to it seems that sentiment extended to even cast members like stephen i warned then about this exact thing happening five months ago on august 10th 2019 after talking with stephen hosa and dan when i was telling you about the investigation i predicted that stephen would leave dan plan and due to certain promises with dan i gave dan a hypothetical what will you do if someone leaves dan plan let it be me hosness stephen or group of animators or just a single animator what will you do and this was his response to quote dan i don't care who leaves this is my channel and i will run it based on my belief if it syncs because of that it sinks that leads me to my next point jay's implication that dan is pretty arrogant it's not just the fact that he's trying to get away with paying people as little as possible because he is allegedly indifferent but he views himself as the lifeblood of the channel if he believes that people can come and go at any stage then he must believe in the power of his own talents with or without his friends everyone else was disposable but him and if the channel went down he went down with it which brings us to the next point determination dan told me that he would support me if i made my own channel so that i can get started there but i wouldn't get anything from dan plan and that i would get referenced in his channel basically publicity or exposure pay and to quote dan again go make your own channel i will support you give you shout outs help you get sponsors but you will never get a share from dan plan for those who might not fully understand what dan just said dan told one of his potentially core members to go make his own company and earn money through that way and that i would get nothing from dan plan and that i won't get anything that i seemingly deserved daniel had a vision of what dan plans should be in the conflict regarding pay jay states that dan justified this by comparing it to vanoss gaming a significantly popular creator who posts highlights of him playing games with his friends but jay notes that this isn't really fair as the creators of vanoss all grew from the same position for those who may not know vanoss he is like 10 plus i forgot his milk sub count but like he is a giant in youtube community who does a lot of collab work with his online friends but the difference between vanoss and dan plan is that when vanoss reached out to do collabs they everyone in that channel already had their own channel like they they were buddies because they were new and they worked together what dan was pretty much telling us was i know you have nothing go make your own thing and do it that way dan offered to pay jay in various shout outs if jay set up his own channel but this wasn't what jay was interested in and jay found this suggestion insulting but that was dan's idea he wanted his channel they could have theirs his vision would not be compromised jay states when he did do some investigating into the problems of the channel and raised the alarm dan told jay to stop interfering because dan knew what he was doing maybe that was arrogance but it's framed as conscious enough to be assured in its final goal but his argument or rebuttal for a lot of things that i said or that i brought up was that he knew what he was doing he knew what or he was in this a lot longer and he's aware of it and basically he's denied or swept a lot of the crucial bits and pieces of the problem right under and his reply to my investigation was to quote him to quote dan again jay from now on don't ever interfere or dig around in the inner workings of the channel it's my channel what he implied with that was basically he told me to [ __ ] off when i was trying to help him jay's perspective added a rationale behind the allegations it gave daniel's behavior a sense of logic but not logic that was flattering in any sense at all it frayed him as a person who was aware of the relative power that he held often using it to very little other than his status using the concept of free will to absolve wrongdoing if you don't like it leave with the awareness that really no one wanted to upset the apple cart so now we have the stories now we have an explanation however this was just another perspective and it wasn't dance but whether dan was innocent or not he was the kind of guy to reply no boy did he by this point audience response was very skeptical towards daniel these videos painted him treating the channel with a level of nonchalant darwinism which harmed numerous friendships in the process jay attests that he felt dan stopped treating him as a friend and only messaged him for business purposes which seemingly upset him a lot i haven't heard dan reach out to me just for the sake of saying hi whenever he did it was always for content let me ask you guys something tell me a job or an occupation where you have an hourly rate and is expected to be available upon call for your service or entertainment with erratic and inconsistent work hours and that once your service and entertainment value is done you are shoot away you're no longer contacted until your next service when you're next called and you're just an outsider even after frequent use because i'll tell you what i felt like when being told like this how he was pretty much treating me like a call girl a stripper or hooker that he can just call on dial on demand it's actually really hard to damage my pride i'm not the one to put heavy pride value on the physical being called jay but kudos to dan he managed to piss me off the degree to the point of hurting my pride these details did not merely harm daniel's personal image but they compromised the whole premise of the damn plan channel pushed by their by the way series which was this bunch of friends getting along and having a good time dan plan was the sort of channel where people just wanted to imagine that they were supporting good people who were supporting each other and that was the shock and that's why people were upset videos were uploaded comments were left a lot of people had a lot of strong feelings and yet in spite of that a lot of these fans wanted to believe in dan and they did not write him off which leads us to the 20th of january and daniel's own response video and he's gone full black screen full stop in the title ladies and gentlemen we were in for a ride did daniel save himself well it's complicated let me explain the first 23 minutes were response to the initial video upload by stephen and the next 32 were a bit of a sporadic response to steven stream now each part has its flaws but not because i finished thinking it made daniel a bad person actually i'd argue it humanized his perspective much more but humanization doesn't necessarily mean justification there's some good stuff here there's some not so good stuff here and it's not gonna break itself down so i suggest we dissect while looking retrospectively at what the other videos presented against him said and seeing how they hold up as well i will try and get through everything there's going to be a lot of discussion and a lot of opinions straight out the gate if daniel wants some simple advice it would be that he should have combined the receipts of the second part with the stretch of the first it would have made it a lot more effective and impactful that said it doesn't mean that we can't do that ourselves and see what it reveals for example dad tends to present the notion that stephen had a tendency to ambush him he concedes that he had outbursts even showing an apology that he sent to stephen at the time of the dispute however frames it from the perspective that stephen had provoked him into that reaction on february 26th of 2019 stephen asked if i could get on a call with him to discuss about our vidcon and disneyland trip which made sense to me so i said yes because i had to buy him his tickets and i needed his passport information anyway so i got on the call but that was not what he wanted to talk about when i got on the call instead of talking about vidcon or disneyland him and another associate of his was on the other line stephen has said that he heard from hosa that we were making more money now so i said yes but then stephen continued to say with his associate that if he doesn't get 33 of the company and the revenue that he is going to leave the channel at the time i felt betrayed that he held no remorse of leaving that he had no sympathy for our hard work and that he suddenly changed his mind about everything they used to say about youtube now that we're making more money obviously i was happy to give him more money we were making more money so to pay for his talents is fine but i was angry at his approach so we fought we didn't fight for one hour we didn't fight for a day we fought for a couple of days it was back and forth and we have said a lot of things to each other which i apologized immediately after i got off the phone and it wasn't pretty i don't remember a lot of things we said to each other because it was 11 months ago but the emotions are all still here in a way this makes sense receipts back up that stephen had baited dan into a call in a way it makes sense that he may have made some cruel comments in the heat of the moment he doesn't seem like an inherently cruel person and even in the stream stephen made one comment that always stuck out to me he'll either try to go at my money statement or the employee statement that i made but i know for a fact that he said that and there's nothing that's going to change my mind and i'm often less critical of streams because they're not scripted they're not organized you have to take what people say in the moment with a pinch of salt but the structure of this comment always said to me that he acknowledged that dan may have been behaving irrationally at that point regardless of the fact that he said it and daniel admits it it makes sense that maybe he'd be angry at that point this doesn't make the comment right with this situation it adds up i can see why that would upset stephen and i'm not invalidating that but dan justifies why he would be upset too we say cruel things sometimes however for a moment we need to remember that this dispute didn't start in the call dispute started before the call because there is a fundamental difference in how these two people view contribution and that disagreement is once again put under the microscope in dan's video and in these parts he can come across as a bit elitist for the rest of that summer we put all our time and effort into making more videos and running the channel also was drawing animations i was writing scripts i was editing and just overall just you know running the channel as a channel it was it was a good time stephen was just still coming on occasionally recording and then leaving for weeks or months at a time while we did it but that was okay too he said he's doing this for fun he's just doing the sahabi he didn't see it as a career and we were all okay with that as the channel grew we started making revenue actual money it was insane and when it happened it happened suddenly and it was something we never really expected when we started to make money i told stephen that we want to pay him he declined but i insisted that he at least take something for his time of recording with us so we mutually decided to pay him 25 dollars an hour for his recording times this is where the 225 dollars came into play from september 22nd of 2018 to february 22 2019 of that six months he worked a total of nine hours which was fine i thought i was compensating something for his time he was having fun with his friends and getting some cash out of it i didn't care if he didn't work a lot he wasn't taking youtube seriously and of course i wanted to compensate him more so i was going to take him to disneyland and vidcon all expenses paid we'd have a lot of fun the fact that he valued his 30 to 40 minutes of recording the same with the amount of sacrifice and effort that jose and i put onto the channel was insulting and it made me angry now in principle i can understand why daniel would clearly view this input as somewhat limited and not to the degree that he has committed but everyone who's involved with the youtube knows that firstly a creative job extends beyond recording and in steven's video he vocally calls attention to the characters that he fleshed out and the effort that he put in he may have recorded for a certain amount of time but the impact and the thought of these characters exists beyond that formal mafia steven huggy zombie apocalypse steven hosa steven daniel didn't give me a script to do those characters i made them up and i made my personalities enjoyable but to daniel every recording session i was merely talking to friends to him i wasn't putting in any effort into the videos on top of this it's important to remember it's not just about the amount of work one does but their contribution to the branding and image of the channel if your face is on the merch if you're advertised besides the brands if people come for your quotes in the videos that's prospective income based on viewership and support it doesn't matter if that character was fostered in five minutes or five years because a majority of financial income for these sorts of channels will come from the audience connection with the character a characterization that brings people entertainment or hope or anything of the sorts is not something you can base solely on the work behind the scenes even if it is significantly more difficult than the work in front of the camera or the microphone the first abject disagreement we encounter though is regarding negotiation details stephen states that in the call he requested a 20 share of income which is corroborated by jay daniel frames it much more harshly stating that steven demanded a third of the income share or else he was going to walk steven continued to say with his associate that if he doesn't get 33 of the company and the revenue that he is going to leave the channel now this point was anticipated in jay's video that clip i told you to keep in mind some people have used this as a means to invalidate daniel's point but anticipating what some will say does not necessarily mean it's invalid unless you have solid evidence for that assertion and all jay stated was that damn may be confused as someone else proposed it now this may be the mysterious figure that daniel alluded to however there is very little detail regarding the identity of this additional person other than they would need to have been physically with steven at that point as we can see the seven-minute call was between two users due to steven's streaming comments some people have said it was hosuh but i think in steven's video and streams he was implying that jose had been negotiating following the call rather than in the call and i made hosa get involved as well jose i really am sorry that i made you get involved in my fight but i'm also really grateful that you did what i do find strange is following these aggressive negotiations that they then settled on a still rather underwhelming 100 per video stephen which if you consider the alleged income of the channel is still less than one percent i insisted that he at least take something for his time of recording with us so we mutually decided to pay him 25 dollars an hour for his recording times daniel signals that he insisted stephen took 25 per hour of recording prior to these negotiations despite steven's apparent refusal at the time and used it like he's a generous guy but then decides not to insist stephen have any more after his apparent aggressive dissatisfaction it doesn't add up here and that's not the only thing after the march incident we renegotiated my salary or rather the pay amount of pay i was getting and i remember him saying what do you want to get paid now i said a hundred dollars a hundred dollars per video i didn't say that but he's offered it and i was like okay fine whatever and then afterwards he said okay i hope you know that a hundred dollars is a lot of money he says that i made him take the hundred dollars per video and that i guilt-tripped him into taking it and i forced him to take it these are untrue at the end of our fight when he decided to stay he then told me that he wants a hundred dollars per video he could have said more that would not i would not mind that that wasn't point of the fight that was not point of the argument [Music] when i say i find these details strange i don't mean i find them strange in the sense that they incriminate daniel but it equally doesn't make me think this is a one-sided affair or that he's blasted these allegations away unless steven planned out how to throw the child under the bus in a dramatic way 10 months in advance which there is no evidence of i have trouble seeing this specific argument as anything else than a couple guys with vastly different perspectives clashing furiously over them realizing that it wasn't getting them anywhere and coming to some sort of reconciliation with the expectation that for both of their sides it could improve but it wasn't a real reconciliation because the initial problem that provoked it was still there both sides are just full of interpretations that view the other perspective in unequivocally bad faith stephen says that dan claiming something's a lot of money was manipulation when he might just be a stingy person dan states that stephen was claiming that daniel tricked him into taking less money but steven never claimed that because he notes that they'd already agreed on a figure as for who proposed it who knows as most the fans recognized it was like watching an embarrassing divorce daniel's video can be equally as cynical as stevens they have highly cynical perspectives on each other's actions for example steven viewed his request of asking what more he can do as a genuine plea to try and earn his place on the channel and a greater share of the business and dan's perspective didn't connect with me at all about this but when he saw that his initial strategy wasn't working during our argument he switched and said what can i do to get more percentage at that point i realized that he appreciation or more involvement wasn't what he was looking for but more profit that's why we fought like you say you considered him a friend at all points and then say something like that like you acknowledge it was a heat of the moment argument but then make a point which would question his intent regardless in that moment and it's not like i think dan is at liberty to give anyone any more of a management role in his channel from the perspective of management if that's what he wants to retain then that is fair damn want to control the channel i don't think he's completely arrogant as other videos have portrayed but i do think he likes to do things his way and he didn't want interference he wants to be the director and that's okay but i think steven genuinely wanted to justify and solidify his role but i don't think that dan had anything to offer i don't know if dan's trying to completely shield his image but an explanation like this would make much more sense than the clumsy account that he provided i think the main problem here was that there was no real way to justify that someone's character was worth less than one percent of the channel's worth and by not offering even a share of that it clearly left a bad taste in stephen's mouth in his original video stephen states that he asked a very specific question twice asking how much his worth is nine months ago when we argued i asked dan how many views on our videos were garnered by me he said he didn't have an answer a few weeks ago i asked him the same question again and his answer didn't change and although he left details out of dan's reply in the dms the political vague nature is highly unsatisfying simple as she even wanted to know his worth but i don't think dan either knew or wanted to think about it this is also why he probably offered to help stephen in the creation of his own channel this sentiment was echoed in jay's video and although dan didn't get the chance to respond to that one it was a similar message he wanted to help grow his friends own channels and shout them out even mentioning thanos gaming i suggested an idea to stephen that we make him a channel a channel of his own a company that he can run i did this for a couple of main reasons one so that he can have the freedom to create and the business decisions that he wants to make as his own two i wanted him to learn how much effort and time and sacrifice it takes to run a channel and lastly i wanted us to have a partnership once i realized he wanted to take youtube seriously i wanted him to make a channel of his own where we would promote it where we would try to help it grow where i would give him and suggest things that help a channel to grow faster and hopefully develop a relationship like you know fan ass gaming group or the david dobrik group but he declined once again it just seems like a fundamental disagreement of how they wanted to operate not everyone wants their own channel and it's a very strange philosophy that daniel has though i think he genuinely believes it he wants you to understand the sacrifice it's daft and of course stephen would have been able to understand the work of daniel had given him a way to earn his share but daniel didn't value his intent at that point if you didn't want someone to expect more from a channel that their face is featured on you shouldn't have let them on the channel on top of this the character dynamic in gaming videos like vanos is so unbelievably different to the by the way series that there's no real way to draw a parallel which justifies that point of view i would argue that with gaming channels there are many more other in-game factors that can influence the entertainment value of the content and its marketability and although there are other elements to consider with dan plans animated content too the interplay between the cast is such a significant selling point it's not the same i do wonder if daniel had a legitimate nostalgia for his gaming days and the creative control that it gave him in spite of all these points the way situation does go both ways dan stated that it was steven who offered the 100 rate that they switched to so the responsibility of that fact has to partly lie on him providing it's true but stephen's point after this argument wasn't that he wasn't satisfied with the money but that no matter how hard he tried he wasn't recognized he didn't feel like he was a friend he wanted to be noticed by dan he wanted to be credited by dan and he wasn't he portrays himself as not being obsessed with the money in fact rather claiming down was i don't think he'll milk this i think he wants this to blow over as soon as possible and get back to business because that's how he makes money views on his videos gets him money and that's really that's all he cared about when he started the channel like beyond a doubt because because if he didn't he wouldn't be taking such shady practices behind the scenes doing such shady practices behind the scenes dan does rebut this at one point in response to the stream and when stephen quit damn plan he's told me that he still wants to be paid for all the videos that will be posted in the future which i said i would honor but then on the live stream he goes on to say i didn't want zero recognition because that's entirely what this was about honestly i didn't care about mint i didn't care about the money i still don't care about the money which contradicts what he texted me but this is one of the weaker rebuttals again you don't have to care specifically about the money to still want it for the work you've done because it could be about what the money represents a recognition of one's work that they've put in i don't care about sponsor money that much but when i do the sponsor i still expect the payments for my own personal pride to know that i'm worth it if you really cared about the money i find it unlikely that he would have settled for such a proportionally low amount given how much the audience valued him regardless of dan's perspective it's very easy to blow up this drama and it did blow up and everyone piled on but you can't lose sight of what inspired it the fact that a person just didn't feel like he was part of a family that the audience perceived as existing that's what you had to combat and no way dan did combat that but he kind of misses the point again if i really thought of him nothing more than an employee i would have never taken vidcon or disneyland if i was not friends with him i wouldn't be friends with him if i thought that i didn't think of him as a friend i wouldn't invite him to camp go camping with me i wouldn't introduce him to my girlfriend or my family i wouldn't take him to camping i wouldn't try to go watch movies with him i wouldn't invite him to the parties i would only invite my friends over to there are no real receipts provided for this i'll provide benefit to the doubt that they probably happened because it doesn't change the point the point was that whatever happened outside of youtube it was an insult to stephen how he was treated on the channel he felt like an employee he felt perceived as one and i believe that i struggled to imagine doing a collaborative channel with a legitimate friend and not having a shares based agreement but simply put i don't think daniel viewed it as collaborative i think that no matter what happened in their discussion no matter how angry they got the fact that they never came to the agreement that there was a way to share income was the most indicative factor in the failure of their friendship because a share is not just worth it is trust and there was no trust here it's claimed that dan doesn't even share income details with hosa but that is not mentioned damn references the trips to disneyland and vidcon but stephen himself in the stream that dan responded to said that he felt the intent wasn't there when we went to disneyland is pretty much when i thought it was getting better but then i saw daniel pull out a camera and then i knew for a fact that he just wanted me to dance so i danced and then i knew for a fact that things weren't going to get better in the disneyland video itself uploaded to dan plan stephen makes a pretty snide quip that was left in were you sick sick feature crap jk you paid for something that aside because dan was quite possessive regarding what he viewed as his own channel stephen interpreted it as a sense of worth and greater trust maybe it was to an extent i don't know but i don't think it was necessarily malice on dan's behalf i think it was ignorance and i think that ignorance was willful to an extent i forgot to mention at the end of the video because i got a little emotional but for transparency's sake i want to say that i have heard whispers of steven planning to do something along the lines of making a video after he left so it wasn't 100 surprise when it happened nevertheless it the content was still upsetting and that's why it was still very shocking uh i wanted to end the video there i didn't want to say anything more uh that was just my side of the story i don't think dan was that shocked i think the strains must have been clear and dan didn't do enough to avert it because he probably never considered the consequences and when he did it was probably too late but that's not necessarily a one-way street [Music] a lot of public drama on this scale happens because one party decides that actually they don't want to talk it out privately they want to go nuclear they want to call someone else now steven's video isn't your typical call-out post it doesn't seem tailor-made to be a channel-ending video but i think it's impact spoke volumes to how people viewed him as a part of the channel however with the whole future of the channel in jeopardy was it worth it and was it the right thing to do in daniel's response video he posed various conversations between himself and stephen the relevant conversation showed the aftermath of steven's private departure from the channel daniel is very attentive after steven lists out his personal issues suggesting twice they meet up which is something that daniel himself references in his response video so first things first before he released that video i already wanted to talk to him in person in regards to him leaving i asked him once after he left to meet up he said he was doing a call but we never got in a call and then later he texted me again and i said let's please meet up let's have some coffee but he declined again daniel knew there was an issue he wanted to resolve it privately however sometimes things shouldn't just be talked about privately sometimes we do need to go public with our grievances to make sure that a person is held to account there are plenty of situations where such a promotion can help other people come forward with their own problems and plenty of times a private conversation with a coercive person can help suppress possible consequences facing down a person and postpone the ultimate confrontation and maybe make this person's abuse of power even worse sometimes it can be an intimidation tactic but it's hard to tell with a lot of people what's going public relevant here especially in the way that steven did let's talk about it well firstly i think what we have to discuss is why on earth stephen decided not to talk it out in private in fact why he never indicated at all that he planned to make a video while still talking to dan at that time to many people such behavior would seem pretty snaky and to be honest they're not inherently wrong if we discount the idea that he had mal intent why would he do this i think the one quote that explains it is here so do i think there was any way to avoid the situation no a heavy hand is only moved by a heavier hand he viewed it as imperative that he do this but many would argue going off stephen and daniel's videos that this conflict was clearly avoidable however in the streams there are some details which i found quite important such as this after our fight hosa was still talking to dan about getting money out to other people to the animators to me to everyone else but daniel was so stubborn and he thinks that his wages are okay they clearly aren't i will i will get into the wage issue after but it was just not and jose and me were not passive in this now daniel doesn't respond to every stream point and he doesn't have to but i am surprised he didn't respond to this one as to me it's an important detail that could decide whether a situation is avoidable or not also i want to briefly mention about hosa because steven talks about hosa due to the possible legal implications that may come out affecting hosa negatively i'm not going to talk about the transactions and terms we have come to an agreement to it's something that we both have come to an agreement with that's all i will say him and i are still good business wise it's something that had to happen and it's something that really can't be talked about online it's a private matter and that's it he cites legal ramifications in decline and talk about certain details regarding pay and hosa but i don't think the idea that jose was negotiating on behalf of his friends would fall under that now for argument's sake i'm going to assume that stephen's perspective is the case and that hosa was indeed attempting to negotiate with dan and that dan rebuffed these negotiations and showed no intention to alter pay essentially at the end of these failed negotiations stephen receives the impression that there is nothing you can say or do to receive a little more respect hosa was fighting for more pay that did not occur they exhorted every option privately so that's the first half of whether a situation is worth going public about but what about the second well i think this is the key one and it may explain why he lied about jumping into a call regarding disneyland and why he didn't bring anything up prior to the video and that is manipulation i know what daniel is like in real life and as a business person and his business sense is makes me very hesitant to actually talk to him again because i know for a fact that if i put down my defenses he's gonna try to screw me over again and i don't want that so unfortunately i don't think i can be friends with him anymore stephen clearly had the expectation that if he had brought it up with dan dan would be able to talk stephen out of it this is a problem and perspective because in dan's mind he would have had the opportunity to persuade stephen with his numerous facts and logic and in steven's mind dan would manipulate him into a position where he doesn't speak up and his story isn't told which perspective is true well it really depends on what happened specifically behind the scenes details that haven't really been admitted or conceded by either side stephen speculated and daniel dodged neither of which are conclusive i guess it made sense in stephen's head what he was doing and like daniel he probably didn't consider all the consequences of not confronting it and diving head first in the video and it's hard to say that what's happened to daniel specifically and damn plan is completely justified after daniel posts his video i want to sit down with him and actually talk things out i do truly want to resolve this because there are still people working on dan plan who are being mistreated and i don't want that to happen to them so yeah i want to resolve this not for my sake because i honestly don't want his money anymore he does seem quite torn on his own feelings regarding daniel and he may well have been questioning whether he did the right thing it's a good question was undermining the image of a friend and his channel wants to even help build a justified response to the perception of an injustice perpetrated by a colleague one that did not seem like it was going to resolve itself otherwise maybe not but what would the middle ground have been i think that's the question for discussion today it's just a shame that stephen did have such a cynical perception of dan to believe that every message with a smiley face every trip posted onto youtube had some ulterior motive this wasn't helped when jay said in his video that he felt like dan only messaged him when he had something to gain it brings into question all the niceties being nice doesn't make you a good person and some people can be awfully friendly while twisting the knife in other aspects and that's how steven saw daniel a shining smile with teeth of daggers and stephen decide to take it down by doing this stephen also broke a perspective agreement that he made with dan which was to wait out his position until hosa had left the channel this was detailed in daniel's video again nevertheless i still compensate stephen for each video that he's in and that was the agreement that we made my side of the agreement was that we try and get past this and on top of that that because hosa is leaving for military and we both knew at the time i wanted the channel and the community to be still the same when he came back so i wanted steven to stay at least until then and we can figure something out from there on even the day when he left the channel december 15th or 16th i supported him i told him that it was upsetting that he was leaving and then even though he is breaking his end of the deal i won't break my end of the deal and that i want us to transition through this smoothly and i want him to succeed in his own pursuits and in his chapter and in his channel now i must say i find it strange that moving past an argument would be included in a deal feelings like that cannot really be defined by the fabric as such i feel that dan wanted to move on so badly and he just didn't know what else to do but put it in a pact i can understand why stephen not following through on this may be caused for critique however more on the side that he made the deal in the first place after such a volatile argument one that both sides frame was extremely involved now i would also add that in the dm shown by daniel himself steven seems to contest that this deal was ever made which gives me the impression that it wasn't particularly formal but let's entertain the idea that this deal is a thing for argument's sake binding deals are a bad idea unless you both have a similar level of influence in that deal or else one's always going to feel at risk of being taken advantage of now you might make a deal like that as a friend but as stephen no longer viewed dan as a friend when he broke the deal he therefore had no reason to commit to it deals like those are to be made between equals and stephen no longer felt like an equal so he had no reason to honor it why he made the deal in the first place i don't know maybe he felt that maybe it was for hosa they clearly have a close bond but whatever it was it was buried six feet deep by january and even during the first video which was carefully written and planned and edited now uh just with the leaving video i spent literally a month on it because okay so my first early draft of my script okay so it was scripted he doesn't mention anything about not attacking me but then posts a community tab later saying oh yeah don't attack daniel consequences were more severe than most would have anticipated and his mixed feelings did lead to him often swinging back and forth about how he feels regarding the outcome daniel picks these out and criticizes him quite harshly he mentions at the beginning of his livestream don't attack dan i appreciate that i honestly do um but the statement that he makes isn't consistent with what he goes on to say where he says he's using you guys as a weapon even though he doesn't want to because dan didn't give me recognition for one mill so i'm gonna take away his two mill and i find that pretty hilarious of course i i am using you guys as a weapon then so i if you want to unsubscribe by all means go ahead if you want to keep being subscribed by all means go ahead or to unsubscribe if you if they feel like it however daniel's clip of the stream does admit stephen's then sudden pivot back to reasonability and recognition that this would be a bad idea if you want to unsubscribe by all means go ahead if you want to keep being subscribed by all means go ahead i don't want to use you guys as a weapon that's so cowardly on my part so i would never say do or don't do something as said streaming brings out a spontaneity of people that can be fundamentally emotional and bitter and this is clearly an emotional topic you have to take that into consideration when making your arguments but unfortunately both of these people didn't see the intent in the other side this was a personal battle that stephen fought but by the stream and jay's video it became a greater question about another oppressed minority and i'm not talking about gamers who was it then [Music] to an extent both parties could have been more proactive does the guy in charge of the channel daniel did make a real mistake by treating someone who is part of the brand as a part-time rep financially or personally now this doesn't mean i'm not frugal i grew up poor um i am a cheap person just because of the way i was raised i am not insensitive to finances just because i'm now dealing with larger sum of money each transaction i'm very careful with and i am very cautious in making those transactions now in his response video daniel does admit he has a tendency to be cheap and i think that's fine it's good that he's being open about it some openness will hopefully have improvement in the future however he does dedicate a significant proportion the video to the animators the animators and just crew in general i feel super bad for dragging them into this because in my head one of the scenarios that could play out is literally him just burning the entire channel to the ground letting it die and then leaving all the animators and like crew in general to do nothing because this is a job for them um first and foremost i've already apologized them privately but i want to apologize again i am sorry that all of you are caught up in this it's not your problem that stephen and i had a spat and it's not your problem that we are taking this out in publicly you should not be involved in this i know it's not just stress for me but for you all as well and i am so so so sorry that you're involved in this now the animators are pretty sacred talking point they're this mystical third party who neither side can necessarily lay claim to so each faction definitely panders to the narrative that works best for them while leaving out a few relevant details now animators are not at the forefront of the channel but they do provide a significant contribution and it is accepted that they would be paid for such a contribution after steven's video there were rumblings about the status of animators and if they'd experienced a similar side of daniel's behavior be that his treatment of them or his payment the more i dove into it the more i realized how many more people were being screwed this is not just a me problem anymore when i started digging i started asking the animators how much were you getting paid and the answers kept being the same about 450 per month for a month of work they get 450 dollars and it's not even consistent because sometimes it takes more than a month to make a video but you still get 450 450 let's say 450 dollars just be generous for a month's work that is insane if my boss was paying me 450 dollars for working full-time i'd quit the job the word full-time was thrown around a lot part-time was mentioned too but the main allegations came from how he treated his quote full-time animators what it means to work for a company full-time is that you are implying that i will work for you for this amount of set of hours consistently and i am trusting this company to give me financial stability of my work so basically i will ensure that i give you my full time of work and in return i want a consistent safe monetary risk like respiration i give you work you give me money that is not the case there is very very very little difference between part-time animators and full-time animators the full-time maybe get paid a little bit more who knows but as a as far as i can tell it's still inconsistent it's still grossly underpaid and there's almost no benefits daniel has essentially trapped any animator who actually wants to make a living just by paying them like slave wages while still making them work full time now full time is quite a loaded word in western society it generally refers to a person who works a set amount of hours and obtains their primary source of income from that job the figure that was also thrown around was 450 a month although they state that payment was inconsistent as a ballpark figure for a full-time job anyone would tell you that is unacceptable and if dan plan was doing that then he should be called out however he contests this immediately and shows receipts to back it up why don't i make them sign anything and if i were to have hired them full time just make them sign something where they can't get out and then not pay them properly that's illegal first of all they don't sign anything it's a verbal agreement and it's second of all not a full-time employment no one has mentioned this and i don't know why they are what it's called subcontractors they are contractors that is what the type of job that they have they do a contracted job for a project in this case it's a video and it's completely different from a wage based job they do their own work as their own entity and on the project that we request we both agree on a price when we mutually agree on the price they then work on the video itself people keep on bringing up full time or part time or whatever it just doesn't make any sense and that is not the type of agreement that i have with the animators if i were to hire somebody in a different manner that would be a different story but this isn't that case when i interview them i always ask how much they want to be paid per video and steven says that they come into this job without knowing anything now subcontractual work is completely different because you're paying for the completion of a job you don't know how many hours they're working or how consistently they're working you have a job you have a deadline and you hope it's done in time i must admit i find it strange that as a person providing a recurrent job on a regular basis he doesn't have a set price in his head and asks animators what they want to be paid daniel is an established creator with a lot of influence and an animator who will want to be hired for future jobs may lure their prices for competitiveness if it was a one-off job or a field that he was inexperienced in it would make more sense and i thought that if they weren't happy with it they could always talk to me because i was approachable to them it doesn't excuse the fact that i am in the position that i'm in which means that since i am the boss or a youtuber that because of who i am and the relationship that i have with them and the business point of view that it is harder to approach me no matter what i do and if that is what the audience felt and it is that if that's what the animators felt i sincerely apologize i am sorry now dan does admit that he made a mistake by not being more proactive in the video i do appreciate that and there are many subcontractors who do have their own pre-established prices however it's hard to apply that without a clear amount of work for a video established nonetheless it is just a side point and i will digress does this mean he was paying good price not really i'm not an animator myself i did briefly speak to an animator involved who felt that given the work per frame and the consideration that the animator storyboarded the videos too this payment was not sufficient in comparison to the other work they have been doing since dan plan it also depends on the amount of negotiation that occurred prior as went over earlier we're not really receiving a clear narrative on that front on top of this in jay's video he also references hosa who is an animator himself and his opinion on how much the animators should be paid this is coming from hosa directly in his opinion in jose's opinion the videos created by the animators are worth at least one thousand five hundred dollars canadian per video now this is not coming from host directly but host hasn't challenged it either and has since worked with jay that doesn't exactly prove he said it but it's another relevant nugget of information to consider regardless unfortunately in this situation the receipts were rather low some question where the animators could have gone on strike but unfortunately if they viewed their roles expendable given the high turnover staff then dan could have just sacked them if they weren't really that much of a community then it would have been even harder to organize of course this base the question of why this was not raised more when hosa was supposedly negotiating or j investigating well probably because no party wanted to initiate civil war with the hope that it would improve but problems seldom disappear without confrontation or else the person will be ignorant and although i think down was willfully ignorant to an extent i think the animator issue here was probably a collateral outcome of the drama which could have been avoided in hindsight there also claims after daniel's video that he had cherry-picked examples that supported his case and this may be somewhat true but unfortunately there's not too much that can be done at this point you need evidence of the contrary simple as it's not fair to the animators that are coming on with zero knowledge and essentially being put into an assembly assembly line factory again how would he know he hasn't joined in a single interview what i do during the interview steven has never been part of so for him to just assume that they don't know anything when they come in is a lie i explain in full detail what they will be doing i tell them that this isn't an easy job i tell them that it may take a long time i tell them that the type of employment is a subcontractor work which means i pay them poor for the video not for the amount of time contractor job is a real thing and anyone that knows business would know what i'm talking about i obviously don't know a lot of different sides of different businesses but it's one of the things that you're allowed to do when you want to hire somebody for a job now the pay also depends on the length of the video the amount of videos that we have some contracted out to and the quality of the project because afterwards i try to tip them more than what we pre-agreed on if they weren't happy with the pay they can talk to me because there has been times where you know we would discuss me and an animator hey do you think this is good enough and they tell me i don't know do you think it's good enough and we come to an agreement and if they aren't happy with it we can meet somewhere in the middle although daniel claimed that there was no way that stephen would know such details listed in the live stream as incriminating as we know jay on the other hand claimed to have sat in interviews regarding prospective animators with dan and made some pretty strong claims himself likely the ones that may have been repeated in steven's streams stephen's comments are likely a case of fired up individuals and chinese whispers i think it probably is an exaggerated image but that's what happens when you try and tackle a subject that you feel strongly about on stream based on other people's comments again i can't show texts or messages but trust me when i say that i have tried always my best to be considerate to the animators i've always tried to be kind and gentle and compassionate about their personal lives and not only that but be understanding if they're delayed doesn't mean i was never frustrated anyone who works with anyone are sometimes frustrated but i try my best to care for them first before i care about this business or posting a video when i ask them and they ignore me i even continue to say and worry about their well-being before the video itself i asked them how they're doing first before i continue and ask about how the videos are coming along the only time i would have a conversation about if they're too delayed or if there's something wrong is if there is something seriously wrong or there are months and months late and i have to have a conversation just to see if everything's okay and even then it's not an aggressive call i just ask how they're doing and that i understand that personal lives do interpret with finishing on deadlines this is not because i'm like a great person it's because i just know what it's like to be on the other side of a relationship when it comes to like a boss figure i guess and i didn't want to be one of those people that yelled or intimidated their co-workers or their uh the people they worked with i at least think to the best of my knowledge try to be kind and gentle with the animators there are two dramatically different perspectives here but they're not completely incompatible although they are somewhat damn may have been a lovely person to talk to may have checked in with people about how they were doing may have been accepting when they were late that doesn't mean he pays them well nor does it mean they weren't afraid to speak out due to the possibility of their pay being affected admittedly now the channel has been declared deceased by various people there isn't really much at stake so that point is kind of moot but for the animators who did speak up what did they actually say well once again it becomes quite complicated there was a youtuber named snazzle who was quite a vocal critic of daniel calling him out left right and center for his behavior what are you doing dan what are you doing man this is disgusting please please come out and say something please apologize please let people know you can change at least a little please there has to be some humanity in you this can't happen you have to see now that this is wrong there has to be some fundamental click going on in your mind that says hey this is wrong i'm doing something wrong everyone's telling me i'm doing something wrong but i'm not seeing it why am i not seeing it why can't i not see it where is that at dan where's the click i don't get it from you none of this makes any sense how could you be at this right now how could this level of incompetency happen how could you be so impudent as to not pay for your staff to get what they need those people care so much about your channel obviously more than you do and you take all the credit all the money that is insane after steven streamed and jay spoke about this narrative the animated point became more prominent and snazzle became more involved he posted this on discord claiming to have spoken to the animators and it moved him to the point of tears sobering stuff so what did he do well snazzle conducted a charity livestream raising over four thousand dollars for these animators a couple of these animators were involved themselves though i don't think they spoke about the specific drama i feel if they did the clips would have been used elsewhere even though the stream is no longer accessible regardless this was an extraordinary success for the animators and their advocates but there was more to come and when i say that i mean well daniel's video dan obviously disputed these claims showed corresponding evidence and although he didn't directly respond to the claims made by snazzle and jay his story generally contradicted the image that his treatment of the animators would bring a tear to one's eye so some became quite confused and asked questions about the original claims against daniel what were the responses well as much as i want to explain the situation to people as much as i know how much you know how much people want the information the the information that i have i just can't do it i can't sit here and uh and justify giving out that when i know how many people will be hurt just just because i do that this was frustrating and it left a lot of people with unanswered questions [Music] dan's response wasn't the best there were clear logical flaws statements that conveyed a rather self-righteous sentiment arguments that were too irrelevant and details left out but after the video there were very few responses too and those that were uploaded were very inconclusive lest it be reminded dan was the only person to provide actual evidence and that evidence may not have definitively disproved all the narratives against him but it was enough in certain terms i i know so many things that after watching dan's response video that i could claim i know for fact that i could dispute everything or most everything he says especially the the last bit of the end with the animators after having spoken to all of the animators for the charity event i know everything that happened with the situation i know everything from from the from the accounts of the eight animators i spoke to i know what the truth is but that's what makes this so hard for me after some ran such a strong narrative on the basis of the animators and raising thousands of dollars for them people wanted to feel like this narrative was actually justified and the fact that people decided to hold back was understandably frustrating i'm sorry that that's the case because there's a lot here there's so much here that is just insane but whether or not dan's lying whether or not steven's lying no matter who's lying or what's the circumstance it's a bad situation for everyone involved and i i want to walk away with what i have some people compared this response to jeffree star and i understand why it was the sudden decision to end the drama immediately after a conflicting viewpoint and evidence came out and framing it as the right thing to do people never liked that it seems disingenuous they also don't like being told when it's time to stop the discussion they'll decide when to stop being interested in it thank you very much snazzle did state he was doing it for the animators and i do not doubt that many of them probably did want the drama to end but it's likely worth considering that a bit earlier on this situation when you're dogmatically preaching over your microphone i also don't want to dispute that there's a real moralistic case for the disclosure of more information and justification of the money raised of people who assume the premise to be true and the handling is definitely subpar but it is what it is they raised a lot of money following the end of by the way and they did say they would be working with the animators to find them new work not that the animators need that however i'd be lying if i said the situation didn't leave a bitter taste in my mouth given the strength and passion prior i just hope some people take it as a learning experience going forward daniel has essentially trapped any animator who actually wants to make a living just by paying them like slave wages while still making them work full time if this was true i need to be sued this is not true and the fact that he said this is a defamation towards not just me but the company now daniel does sound a bit silly when he talks about defamation against the company but equally these strong sentiments are why people have probably interpreted it with a bit more of an open mind if daniel was straight up lying about details it seems possible to audience members that someone probably would have at least provided factual evidence to the country now you can 100 believe the idea that there may be some reasons that these people don't want the drama these people are not the same as jeffrey star and the likes who thrive off it in the words of stephen do i plan on posting another reply video afterwards no once i know that daniel has seen my stuff i want him i want to talk to him privately we're not going to do that like avocado person what do i think i think it's fair to say the main individuals involved probably didn't want this huge conflict stephen wanted to be recognized daniel had a reason to reply both felt inclined to make public statements for what they believed was just and although as noted certain comments were probably overkill it's what cynicism does to people what about other people's motives well i'm not so sure jay was another character who had a right to comment in what definitely formed a case against daniel and the animator issue was one of the blind spots where daniel didn't provide any screenshots other than regarding pay as i noted earlier the fact that he had no dm's to show whatsoever was pretty unconvincing on top of this jay claimed he had dms of his own to release as he felt his credibility was challenged again these dms never saw the light of day where the animators urged him not to as he says in dms or if the dm's never existed is something you'll have to decide for both sides i personally feel that because it was the case for both sides probably meant there was an element of animator reservation and sometimes silence can be equally as telling as speaking up people were probably conflicted about their feelings regarding daniel was he nice for the right reasons or was he just massaging the product was he intimidating or were they intimidated i doubt you'd see dan going around spontaneously abusing people so i assume the evidence was a bit more subtle and maybe people had cold feet about that as mentioned i had also spoken to an animator involved and that was the impression that i received too a lot of conflicted feelings in spite of criticism steven stuck by his guns following the video they're also sticking by his word that he doesn't seek to make another he's posted a few more statements here and there that have been pretty consistent mainly about the point regarding animators and obviously why he wanted to speak about it it seems that any of steven's conflicted feelings prior to dan's video have gone out the window which i think has disappointed fans further but in a situation like this there's no point in faking something that doesn't exist jay's video was since removed and jay has since deleted his presence from the internet presumably because of certain allegations surrounding various inappropriate sexual behavior including grooming which i just want to escape at this point he did post a response denying these fairly vehemently though as most the screenshots and the document that held them are now gone it's hard for me to really provide a balanced opinion as a minor caveat i did find one of the documents i'm still kind of confused jay's been up to some camaraderie i'm not sure if it's as incriminating as implied regardless i'll leave them in the reference document in case anyone wants to try and make sense of them i won't add too much more other than his exit doesn't appear to have been motivated by the damn plan situation specifically does this compromise his credibility not necessarily unless you feel there's an element of deceit or similar traits in his behavior which may be transferable as such it's hard to comment jsi was just perspective and although it was important there are other more important points to take away when we reflect on dan plan there is a significant lack of evidence that answers people's questions a lot of questions about people's characters and so on especially the accusations for example is daniel manipulative maybe these dms that he posted in his own video do seem strangely worded amongst other things one statement that always stuck out to me said i treated you so much better this won't always rub me the wrong way because who the hell says that if they're not trying to manipulate you of course that's not an argument of positivity he may just hold himself in higher regard and it would be kind of transparent and thus it's not conclusive but it's a really weird thing to say to someone even someone whom you have treated well a lot of other comments i can see why they would be manipulative but i can also see why they may not be you have to ask yourself could a rational person reply this way for a lot of the comments my answer was yes so you can't jump to the conclusion that someone is malicious just because they say something that could be manipulative it's true that daniel could just say certain things in an attempt to butter others up to stop them from speaking out if he knows they might make a video but it's also something he might say if he genuinely wants to remain friends it's about how you know daniel and i don't know him well enough to make that judgment though i will provide my opinion very soon other questions about contradictions such as steven saying there's a long negotiation phase and daniel framing it as if he just came back and accepted 100 per video seeming conclusive some dm's show that dan was nice to steven at points but what that niceness represents we cannot be sure was steven's video the only option was other people's treatment at stake and was it worth it the truth is you can't really answer these questions with what we've been given but i do think there are some things you can take from the situation one of the more unfair statements that daniel made in his video was this one stephen says that he's worried that they'll be jobless from this if he really thought this he would not have made that video when he did because when he quit we had a conversation and in the conversation i told him that there's a lot of videos in progress that he is in and that we're in the progress of making them so i will be announcing that he is leaving after those videos are posted this was for the sake of the animators that are working hard to make these videos complete and he understood that it might take a while but regardless he made video two weeks after he quit and so now we can't post the videos that he is in they were all still working in progress and now they will never see the light of day because of the actions that he took of course i'll be paying the animators full amount that we pre-agreed on even if they didn't finish the video it's not their fault we can't post these videos and i still want to compensate them with the agreed amount that we made and i'll ask them if the amount is okay again and if they're not then we'll meet somewhere but that's not the important part the important part is that what they made will never see the light of day because steven decided to make the video so quickly even though he knew we were still in progress of making many videos that he was in now this is pretty unreasonable considering stephen stated that he doesn't mind any videos with him in being published after his exit although i understand why you may not want to release previous videos with someone you have bad blood with that is ultimately your decision as much as his was to release the video it's his shared responsibility daniel also does a fair bit of paraphrasing here and if you look at the dms all it really shows is steven saying he wants the videos out as soon as possible rather than having them spaced out even though he also says he's okay with them being published i think steven made his point pretty clear in the messages and daniel's interpretation is rather uncharitable the tone it's done in is pretty incendiary and it seems like he's looking for an excuse to end the series there this didn't have to be the series ending video dan chose to make this video series ending it wouldn't have been difficult to make a video saying i'm sorry i got some things wrong i probably did underestimate the efforts of those around me but i do feel that people have got my intent wrong and i'm gonna do better to prove it the dan plan audience would have been more than happy with a video like that they wanted this situation to heal dan chose to kamikaze it by making an equal amount of character indicting statements against stephen does that mean he's guilty not at all he may just be defending his pride but pride comes at a cost and dan decides to pay the price and hell he can probably afford it the amount of money that an audience friendly animation channel will make from ad revenue alone is monumental and then you consider merch and sponsorships it'll be ridiculous on the other hand youtube can be unpredictable and having all your eggs in that basket would probably make you a bit more frugal than some careers would i understand that and i wanted to empathize with him on the basis of the fact that running a team costing and being consistent can be a challenge but at the same time his self-superior attitude towards it as if it's some monumental undertaking that suddenly entitles him to such a mammoth share of the channel is something that i couldn't personally connect with it doesn't help that one of the other allegations was that he paid some of the manual work a surprisingly low amount it was contradictory logic to many people it's not true ever since the company was made at the beginning of last year i have taken zero dollars from the company this doesn't mean i haven't taken money from the past before the company was made doesn't mean i won't take money out from the company in the future but i was more invested in reinvesting into the channel and the community and i was more focused on putting the money there but clearly it is seems like now that i just take all the money and run away with it besides the rather pointless nature of that statement it doesn't change the fact that how much he paid himself wasn't the problem he could donate it all to charity and it wouldn't change the point it's proportionately how much was made and how much other people who contributed a significant amount to the channel brand saw now regardless of how ridiculous i would consider it i mean a hundred dollars a video for someone in that position is unbelievable if both parties agree to it force aside most people will say that's responsibility taken on by both sides so obviously there is the question regarding how much negotiation took place and there's very little evidence shown but regardless of the claims it makes sense to me that steven probably ended up settling for less due to a motive outside of that which is financial daniel is very careful in each of his statements i don't doubt that he probably has negotiated with artists from time to time and come to an agreement but it doesn't seem implausible that hosa may have argued generally with daniel regarding payments and wages too and i find the use of legality as a reason not to discuss such to be rather unconvincing i do receive the impression that daniel is quite headstrong and i think the fact that he never really recognized the sheer imbalance in that pay is a testament to it if you consider someone more than an employee then pay them like one he was essentially a contracted guest and that gave him no loyalty daniel was motivated to keep the channel structured as it was i think he did have a bias towards people he viewed as quote originals especially if he gave hosuh a cut against the dude's own will he was stubborn and i wouldn't doubt that when confronted he used the power of his authority to appeal to his sense of business and knowing what's best which is where this shout out ban or style idea came from maybe from the good old gaming days i don't think dan uses these ideas to insult people as jay felt i received the impression it was likely a legitimate passion that he had tunnel vision about i don't think dan had menacing intentions he just thought he knew what was best because he was the channel owner and the channel was his but he failed to realize that the by the way series brought steven into the picture and no amount of side videos almost all of which underperformed could really change that stephen isn't business minded i think he just wanted some more credit in whatever form now there are nuances to this dispute given it was rooted in a confrontation that both sides frame quite differently and we know it was a volatile argument and we can say things in the heat of the moment daniel did apologize for his rage very shortly after it but the resolution was clearly not the end no deal can help you move past something like that daniel may have viewed his outburst as a moment of frustration but stephen saw it as the slipping of a long war masquerade comments to remain stuck in his head for months to come by the time he left the channel he had grown bitter to the extent that he wanted to make daniel pay he wanted to be hurt and he clearly didn't think he could be heard from the inside should he have brought it up with daniel pryor maybe if he cared about daniel knowing but at that point he didn't stephen wanted first blood and he got it do i think me and dan will be friends do i have any intentions on being friends again no i've burned this bridge and i don't tend to rebuild it now at this point stephen can't really put on the i reached out to daniel narrative because he can't expect to be treated any differently to how he treated daniel there's no honour amongst thieves but before we could even have that discussion joe's video left a further dent in the already tarnished reputation it fit in thematically with steven's narrative and provided even more detail some of which would be confirmed by dan's own video a few days later some of which would be contradicted stan's video may have originally been an emotional tell-all of one side but by the time the second stream came out it became a case of who was going to scorch the most earth daniel's video may have rationalized his perspective but there was little closure even with the evidence and screenshots you received the impression that these two cowboys were riding on different wavelengths and you may find yourself on either if you are more of a classical liberal you may well have sided with dan to some people i'm sure dan steeles were just business whether he was a dick to people or not people consented and he was part of the market even if the market was flawed yet you could be the most machiavelli immortal in existence and still acknowledge that dan ultimately failed because he torpedoed his own flagship series in the name of pride the image of dan plan was based on something inherently antithetical to how the drama portrayed it a channel always will have some underlying business elements but if fraternity is a selling point then these videos were just not compatible with it dan recently revamped the channel to pursue a new direction one that i think he is more comfortable with and will probably reflect his interest a little more i wish him the best with that and maybe he did truly see opportunity within the destruction but as many other creators have found it is often hard for a brand with an audience who have come to expect something so i would manage expectations over the coming months and focus on making content that you enjoy regardless of what other people say don't go out of your way to justify yourself i'm at a state where i have to explain myself wanting to charity because i'm so worried that people are just gonna be like anything he does now he's just doing it for his no i've been doing charity before this drama happened and i will continue to do charity after this drama happen i don't care what you think of me all right this doesn't fix anything if i was a bad person i'm a bad person if i was a good person i am a good person doing a charity is only good because you're doing a charity everybody should be doing charity if you can't afford it don't donate okay you should protect yourself first obviously but if you can afford it help each other out two sides hell bent on burning each other down what were we left with well the neutral parties and they told their own story too we already spoke about the animators who are mostly silent and reticent about releasing any dms which support either cause but what about the friends the amigos what have they said well one of the original members by the name anna released a stream stating her perspective i'd say it leans towards dan's side and of course there is a limit within that perspective she definitely sides towards his corner if my video doesn't satisfy on its own i'd recommend checking hers out i think his intentions were good but i think there it was a little flawed if you look at it in an overall perspective his intentions weren't bad at all like i don't think daniel's intentions were to like oh yeah i'm just gonna give money to everybody else and like not to like my own friends or whatever like i think his intentions were that good but i think he had to see the overall picture of what was going on and what about hosuh the fellow founding member of dan plan who'd been there through the highs and lows what did he say well he hasn't made any official statements any videos released any dms but he has been streaming a fair bit with stephen and even sought to make this comment back in high school daniel was like a really good guy i respected him he was great he knew like what how to get along with people but now he has somewhat changed okay yeah maybe that's that's that's good that people change right yeah okay full change and depending on the circumstances and the factors i could not foresee like people change what that means exactly i'll let you decide another one my friends darpina also made a video on the topic that will be linked in the pinned comment below which integrates interviews with some fresh perspective i definitely recommend checking his take out if you have the chance in the end both sides have said their part and we shouldn't expect more but we can always do our best to understand it does seem like a divorce with the channel being torn between two rather determined figures and although some people may take a strong side a lot of people just seem confused and forlorn with many coming back to these videos to pay their respects like a youtube gravestone it's sad that some people are just waiting for damn plan to turn around and say it was a huge prank because that's the degree that their perception was shattered it's phenomenal i'd say this topic reminded me of my spill video in a way when i spoke about the corporatization of youtube in that upload i noted that once you give the voice of a channel a personality people become connected to that as a brand and that voice has much more power in the future of the channel as the owner today's situation although not identical was a test of that and regardless of who you side with audience sentiment was clear steven established his character and once people began to associate the characteristics with the name the association reversed and people came back not just for the jokes or the banter but for stephen as much as they came back for jose or daniel and that sentiment echoed throughout the drama he wasn't just a member he was the member and the scale of this drama is a testament to that dan plan was a channel which was the passion project of its titular creators a channel that brought joy unto many people and found great success thanks to its dynamic concepts and energetic interplay between its hosts its by the way series in a way became synonymous with dan plan it by the way went down dan plan was going to face a real challenge in its continuation and with this new era it seems dan is attempting to reinvent the brand but with the legacy of by the way engraved in its identity one thing is for certain damn plan will never be the same i'd first of all like to give a thanks to a creator who i really have come to like by the name of antoine i caught one of his videos on dan plan and i reached out to him and he was really helpful and provided me with a resource that i wouldn't have been able to use otherwise to make this video so a massive thank you to antoine go check out his channel he's not making too many videos right now but go and send him some love and appreciation i think he's got a really good head on his shoulders and very nice technical style i have do not i have nothing too much else to say about it just go and check him out send some love send him some appreciation thank you man so that was the video what a video but i feel really good and i hope that came across i hope this video sees the light of day eventually might take a while but hell yeah what a video and i'm glad i'm glad and i hope you guys enjoyed it too i gotta give a big thanks to my editors once again they really be out here on the front line working the grind much respect to them keep up the great work i would also like to thank my patreons my 10 patreons plus will be up on the screen right now i want to give a big thanks to my 50 patreons we have amanda we have caroline we have hypercube and we have some hullabaloo thank you so much for your support it means a lot and we also have to give a big thanks to my 100 patreons and that is brandon junk christopher carrass and yesenia ramirez thank you so much for your support guys it means the world to me if you want to reach me twitter but i've been quite busy recently and obviously you can join my discord i must give you a warning i haven't been using my facebook recently so there's my warning i don't really have too much else to add hang in there guys i'm sending my love keep up the hustle my friends [Music] you