Overview
Clay Finck interviews Chris Mayer, author of "100 Baggers," discussing the characteristics of companies that achieve massive long-term investment returns, lessons for individual investors, and insights from Mayer's own investing process and portfolio.
Defining 100-Baggers and Book Genesis
- A 100-bagger is a stock that appreciates 100-fold in value.
- Mayer was inspired by Chuck Akre's talk and Thomas Phelps' book "100 to 1 in the Stock Market."
- Mayer updated Phelps’ study to identify and analyze more recent 100-bagger companies.
Key Traits of 100-Bagger Companies
- Most 100-baggers take 20–25 years to achieve their returns, requiring sustained compounding of 20–25% annually.
- Companies typically have high growth, durable competitive advantages (moats), and strong returns on capital.
- Many have influential owner-operators or founders driving long-term vision and capital allocation.
Valuation, Quality, and Market Dynamics
- High-quality companies often trade at premium valuations, but long-term returns still possible if business growth persists.
- Being correct about the business’s future is more critical than securing a low entry price.
- Opportunities to buy may arise repeatedly for long-term compounders.
Assessing Moats and Longevity
- Durability of a competitive moat is crucial for long holding periods.
- Analysis focuses on what enables sustained high returns (e.g., network effects, real assets, entrenched operations).
- Case-by-case assessment is required; cyclical or easily imitable businesses are generally avoided.
Compounding and Portfolio Construction
- Winners tend to continue winning due to underlying strengths and moats.
- Long-term individual investors can benefit by holding high-performing businesses and allowing compounding to work.
- Diversification benefits plateau after a certain number of holdings; Mayer favors focused portfolios of high-conviction companies.
Investing During Calamity
- Historical analysis suggests stocks of strong businesses survive many economic crises better than cash or hard assets.
- Equity ownership in quality companies is a robust long-term wealth protection strategy.
Owner-Operators and Insider Incentives
- High insider ownership aligns management with shareholders, encourages long-term, rational decisions, and better capital allocation.
- Family-owned or manager-owned businesses often outperform due to aligned incentives and resilience during downturns.
Mayer’s Investing Process and Portfolio
- Mayer shifted his fund fully toward high-quality, high-return businesses, away from deep-value and special situations.
- Focuses primarily on return on capital, competitive advantage, and long-term reinvestment opportunity rather than just small-cap size.
- Seeks at least a 15% compounding rate when underwriting new investments.
Examples and Company Discussions
- Constellation Software admired for disciplined capital allocation, decentralized structure, and strong leadership by Mark Leonard.
- Topicus, a Constellation spinoff, seen as having similar qualities and a long growth runway, especially in Europe.
- Copart highlighted for its durable moat, network effects, and superior capital allocation.
- Dividend policy is secondary to reinvestment opportunities; best compounders retain and reinvest earnings when possible.
Decision-Making and Selling
- Mayer sells when the thesis is broken, especially due to governance issues (e.g., divested from Texas Pacific due to management concerns).
- Transparency about holdings is maintained, and portfolio size allows deep knowledge of each position.
Recommended Founders/Companies for Study
- Willis Johnson of Copart recommended for further research.
- Old Dominion Freight Lines also cited as a noteworthy multigenerational, family-run business story.
How to Follow Chris Mayer
- Twitter: @ChrisWMayer
- Website and blog: Woodlock House Family Capital
Decisions
- Shift portfolio to high-quality compounding businesses with strong moats and returns on capital.
- Exit positions where corporate governance or management alignment breaks down.
Action Items
- TBD – Clay Finck: Consider researching and covering Willis Johnson (Copart) or Old Dominion Freight Lines for future podcast episodes.