ETS are everywhere and they have been forever I think astrology was brought to us by the etss cuz the system is so Advanced and so airtight and nobody knew how to execute a chart and do the mathematics back when it was first found it is so unbelievably mathematical astrology now we push a button you don't need to do any math at all but back then for them to actually figure out the movement of the planets and know the personality types and be able to determine a matrix that I can look at your chart and go oh cancer Moon Sun cancer moon in Taurus Saturn in Taurus he's so calm and I would never have to meet you to know that so for having that capacity brought To Us by ETS in the past and they continued to watch and there is a host of angels and you all have Guardian Angels no one here is alone right it down no one in this entire universe we are being watched and held and loved and by the way you're in a classroom now if you can't remember what your assignment was it's hard to get high grades and evolve so do you back to your question evolution is a [Music] choice Deborah Silverman welcome on just tap in what are you most excited about right now in your life I am so excited I live in a pretty constant state of being excited so it's specific in this moment that I have a new book coming out April 8th so much of my life force for the last few years was writing it and getting the Publishers and then getting the schedule and now we're ready to take it out to to you to to this family of ours that lives on planet Earth the book is called I don't believe in astrology It's the funniest title so I'm ironically ironically I'm very excited about specifically reaching an audience that doesn't really believe in astrology like who are on the edge of flirting but they've never really had a date yet and I would love to be the very first date that says huh that was the best date I want more this might be a little bit more than the first date it might be the night that it all happens the night that they go home the night they Meet the Parents [Music] uh because we really love to go deep um on this show and just to start off I know that you know just a few years back you were with a friend in Hawaii and you decided to take mushrooms for the first time and in that you heard a voice that said oh my goodness he went right to the core I love how you're doing this yes keep going you heard a voice that said the planet was going through an initiation over the next 100 years about the emotional body I would love to start there and what you have seen unfolding in this great initiation and what is happening on the planet right now that's so funny that's so you're so it's in your chart you're a Secret Keeper but better than that you're a detective like you sneak in and you find things that no one else sees so you started right off the top um it was longer than a couple years ago when that occurred and I don't think anyone can doubt emotionally as a collective we are going through an initiation what does that mean in times of old we were face to face with parts of us that were being trained by higher ascended teachers who had been through the other side in our society now we don't have those Elders we don't have the culture we sit and tried and we go through an initiation and it's identified and there's marks on your skin or there's a signature that your name changes something was Radical in those eras where we would watch the individual go through an initiation come back a different person on the other side and the world would be different the collective is going through an initiation and it was told to me through a high source what we all know about medicine is it becomes a very thin veil between that world and this world and if we write things down and remember what happened people use a lot of medicine for entertainment for me it was a directive and an instruction came several instructions came in that encounter so when I look around at the collective and I see initiation happening and there's not language or Preparation or Gatherings of circles but rather it's a disturbing feeling of like something's happening I feel different than what ever came before it's not like what I grew up in and I'm an elder and coming to my 70s I look back and I think we need to stop time for a minute and acknowledge that there's 8 billion people we've never had this many people on planet Earth nor have we ever had an era where the etss came in and the AIS came in and all these short little abbreviations that never ever has there been conscious reference to AI or to ETS so there's this radical introduction of an initiation a new era but there's no practices put in place although people are doing so to our credit medicine and iasa and knowing about the gene keys and the anagram and human design and astrology and we're getting the codes but it's not with the focus of compassion for how difficult this is I've also I've also heard you say that we're all midwives for the next generation of what's about to happen for our children's children but there I'm asking also is there a hint as to what we're being initiated into that's such a great question so let's do both let's Bridge the first one which was profound to the second one if we had understanding of astrology as part of the nomenclature was the way that we all thought we would know that 2025 is the entrance and 2026 is the downhill movement through 2030 that we were in an astrological adjustment that only happens in one case once every 250 years Pluto returns to Aquarius once every 144 years all the outer planets every one of them next year 2026 they are all going to change signs so when you ask what will it be like the simple answer is if you think back to when these things arrived I found it interesting I found out yesterday that when Pluto entered Aquarius the chat what's it called the um AI chat chat gbt it arrived the same day oh the first time Pluto went into Aquarius that arrives so to answer your question what is the next generation and how do we describe the distinction between this one AI us sitting here with headsets on inside of a computer in cyberspace with a whole bunch of metal that we have no idea how that thing works but we pushed a button and here we are together this is the entrance of the Aquarian age but we're not making the bridge what we should do it's like I don't know if you know about Bar Mitzvah I think most people know when a bar mitzvah occurs a boy turns 13 his whole Community stops he gets trained in a new language he stands in front of the congregation and he proceeds to lead as a spiritual leader would at 13 is cute but it's the introduction of recognizing you are now entering a new era and so you're now part of our community well we don't have that so to answer your question one unfortunately we can't name that we're all feeling it we got the Wiggles we got the insecurities we got the anxiety we can't sleep we've got this all these symptoms but what we're really trying to say if we could say it out loud is we are entering a different level of Consciousness a new iteration of the human we are no longer to be bound by societal values or government structures that are based on we don't know what there was no human factor behind the curtain we couldn't explain why the government was insisting that we pay taxes and we pay for ammunition to kill people without giving us a vote like all of that old sets one example but there's hundred of examples where now the Free Will zone is being brought to us because we are becoming highly awake to the transition between the two worlds the other world the invisible world the one behind the veil and this one that's constantly being asked and as a result of that we are now being introduced to our responsibility as sacred walkers on earth like I really see this in you you are at you are sanctifying every encounter with a memory of the ancestors and a hope for the future that we bring that old principle of being lying in the ground and looking at the stars of watching the sun come up and down and honoring of drinking fresh water all the old ancient Primal you could call them rituals but because the transition we're in is so awkward and there's no language for it and we can't figure out why we're uncomfortable we're all feeling anxious and everything feels unsatisfactory and relationships and marriage and children is kind of scary for your generation climate change all of this is disrupting the memory that this was all meant to be and we're simply in a transition and nothing's wrong you had a vision once that you were on a council where there was these like an organized event you know you understood you had the understanding that this is all an organized event by higher intelligence basically what you laid out there and you know looking at it from that perspective I think it's really important knowing that there is like a Divine orchestration between all of the events that are happening in the world right now but the way I've learned to understand astrology is that every sign that we see the the Leo the cancer the Aquarius that's all an expression of different elements and how they express themselves in reality so I'd love to know you know if you had any insight as to the last age the pisan age how were the energies playing out and the elements playing out to build the old structures and how is that changing going into great question so that's just um back into that little bit there's this major change occurring at the unconscious level the society is breaking down at a political ecological environmental every single level right that's that's what we know if we're in a transition no one's going to argue that's listening to this that something's funny something's different and we're a little scared when I had that Vision which I can't believe you named which I hardly ever talk about but I did do it on blu's podcast I was probably your age I was in my 20s late 20s and in no uncertain terms I had a direct experience of being part of a council that could be called the Federation I hardly ever speak of it I only brought it up once and then you found it you detective and in that experience what they told me in no uncertain terms was at one that there was an outworking occurring that I was going to be used for people that could hear and see that were open to this conversation because they trusted me so let's just start there everybody listening to this you've all been given an assignment my assignment was clearly endorsed and educated by a counil that was Intergalactic I have the memory of it because I saw it firsthand and it's embarrassing to say it out out loud because I'm a practical person but there's no way I can ever deny what happened that day okay let's leave that for a minute now everyone in this room everyone listens to this podcast you have a purpose here there's an assignment and it's specifically about the transition that we're talking about here today there's something about your ability that was excited about the evolution of the human species you were like I want to go down for that I can't believe it how many people are going to be there everybody we ever knew hand me the popcorn oh and then what does the change mean wait a minute I just feel it but I can't put words to it and that's where astrology comes in so to your point yes every sign has a flavor and every era so every 2100 years the eras shift It's A procession that goes in the planets we can't name the exact date but we've entered the Aquarian Age and what the pisan age looked like it's such a great question the last era is what you're grandmother and I and my grandmothers all love lived with which was rout Pisces routines that were based on structure that were given to us from a hierarchy better known as the rabbi or the priest or the monk or the teacher or the it came with the mosque it came with the series of rules and Pisces requires this because they get a little lost if they don't have instructions they'll just kind of Daydream so that whole era was brought to us symbolic by Christ that said follow these instructions here's these Commandments we're going to expect you to do as we tell you and by doing so you're going to open up your heart and fall in love with God but the thing they forgot to say was don't argue you're going to have different gods there'll be different figure heads there'll be the a Mohammad there'll be Jesus there'll be Buddha there'll be different figureheads who will represent the teachings at the highest level but then of course the the Pisces has a hard time it's one of their hardest traits remembering the plot they some right in the middle of the plot they go off and they start putting on some music and they get high and they go wait what were we doing I forgot they have to write down or they lose everything so it's what happened to us we had a very unfortunately unfulfilling Pisces era where we did get the greatest Masters that showed up for the last in the last 2,000 years but for some reason the collective ability and this is what my first book is about the human design the nature of the human operating system has a very limited capacity to be kind to be generous to be calm to be emotionally set stable it were built for a lot of crazy unconscious percolations that make us nervous anxious scared jealous envious comparison we have a very funny inner system that prevents that very beautiful practice that they all taught us which was love God first so we missed the boat it's a funny analogy but somehow or other the original pis and imprint That was supposed to happen entered into the Aquarian age now the change is everybody's going don't tell me what to do I'm not going to church synagogue that's great but only on high holidays I don't really want somebody telling me who I'm allowed to marry and by the way I believe that we're allowed to do whatever we want with our body this whole new system's been put in place genders are able to be fluid getting married it's a decision now think about the difference in the last 2,000 years of how you're society would not allow you to leave your little group that you lived in you couldn't travel to a new town leave your family behind find your people and become a trans dancer unacceptable no no zero if you did that you couldn't eat CU you weren't in the tribal group where they fed you and you would go off and be banished and then you'd be off by yourself so that whole pisan age was Follow the Leader stay in your group do the religious order and find the beauty of sacred meditation and prayer something went funny I don't know but then the 1960s appeared in one month in the 1960s there were six count them six planets in Aquarius that I'm not sure it started then but this was a a good reflection throw away your relationships you don't have to go to school you don't have to get married you don't have to have children you don't have to wear a bra you don't have to you can take drugs you can break all the Norms that the whole pisan age was nailing down and gluing it and setting up properly and sitting in church and don't laugh and follow that that thing popped so now we're in a new era called I care more about individuality and uniqueness and getting outside the box and doing it with my whole group all the trans dancers all the yogis all the iasa journeyers all the podcast hosts all the there's now groups of people that have stood away from their country their family their old lockdown system and they're Freer and then it's confusion because when your mom hears the story about you not getting married and not having a kid I have so many friends that have this going on with their children or they're in these relationships where they're what are they there's so many different words the polyamorous and all these things are Aquarian you don't have to do what the old system was and that's very disturbing for those of us that came before and to be perfectly honest I think it's a little disturbing for all the people that are in this transition of the Aquarian age cuz there is no examples or role models in we're in a brand new era so the question you're asking is each sign which is what I love about astrology brings Comfort like for you as a cancer with moon in Taurus you need very repetitive consistent calm people around that you can rely on who are trustworthy that you're committed to and you super glue yourself you're like in the mafia then you glue yourself to them if someone said to you no no no we're going to go to lots of parties and be rinky dinky and we're going to have lots of friends and we're going to change it all up you be like uh don't call me back because you've got such a high value for stable Deep Quiet so knowing that about your cancer cute beautiful being I would never introduce you to a wild energetic but in this Society right now we don't have language to distinguish what is it that you need to prepare yourself for this transition so you could be in your happy genius Zone well that's what astrology does it gives you back to you because I'm telling you the transition that's going to happen in 2026 to 2030 is not going to be easy someone has to say it hello beautiful family quick one today I just wanted to take a moment to thank each and every one of you that have subscribed to this channel your subscription means more than you know even though it's free what you're doing is you're empowering a whole channel to be able to do this every single day and continue showing up in the way that we can with all of our resources on hand thank you for contributing to the growth of this channel for sharing it with the people that you love for creating a conscious movement of individuals that are seeking the sovereignty and the Divinity of their soul this is why we're here and if you haven't already and you're enjoying this content I invite you now to look Below on that little button this says subscribe and welcome you properly to this community thank you for being here thank you for being who you are and being pure love and radiating that with everyone that you see back to the episode and I think what a lot of us are also seeking there is that sense of direction of you know pointing towards something while all of these changes and chaos is going on and I think that's where the shortcut to Enlightenment the North Node comes in if you want to highlight in someone's chart when they go and they find the North Node what is that telling them about the direction of their life okay I just want to know how much research you did before this interview in terms of what time you know all my language I mean it's funny to hear you talk it's like you're in my back pocket like you're in the you're in my closet okay the North Node I made that up the North Node is the shortcut I'm I'm telepathic and your did you know that yours is in Virgo yes my North Node it's so obvious right here so the what you're asking what is the directive how do I keep my attention focused how do I prepare and be in the process of being the Midwife The Midwives are the ones who are in the middle of a crisis so it seems the world is uncomfortable there's a birth going I always use this analogy everyone's scared and they're on the edge of their seat and something's wrong it really looks wrong when a woman's giving birth it looks wrong the minute she gets pregnant and starts throwing up if you didn't know better you'd think something was wrong so this is the question of the day if you assume that you're listening to this first thing we addressed was what am I supposed to be doing it's a very important question how do I be myself and my genius so I can facilitate my role and I'm in the middle of a transition that everybody signed up to be here because they couldn't wait to see what we were going to do and you had a specific job and one of the clues was your North Node there are many clues in astrology but let's start there if you knew what your North Node was and it's a mathematical equation based in the moon so it's it's not a planet it has to go be looked up to be found if you knew what it was and your soul was like we're watching yours so interested in helping our family like who in this room who listening to this on this cyberspace is not feeling the desire to help because we really need the helpers and if you're a helper you want to evolve and you want to evolve because the more refinement in your consciousness of discerning your job your role the timing the purpose and you can fulfill that's how I got in um invited to sit at that table is I am so committed to helping you to help helping my family I'm not kidding this is all I think about I think it's true of you too isn't it yeah yeah it's so beautiful you're cancer Taurus all we want to do is help you but if and if you are a victim to what is occurring in the middle of this birthing process and you're stressing because you're confused and so you should be or You're vulnerable because you feel lonely or you're really insecure because you don't know the answer so you feel kind of useless all of that is Grist for the- Mill all of that is where your soul and your high yourself and your little angels that watch you they're like oh she's uncomfortable oh he's uncomfortable we've got their attention now what an elder would say is there's oldfashioned values and every Midwife will tell you this calm down you're so good at this take a breath listen to music sooth your nervous system before you go into anything I loved how we started this podcast do a prayer if you or I'll speak in first person if I can't calm my nervous system down because I have so much faith that the sun's coming up tomorrow and the moon's moving in perfect increments and I'm exactly where I should be and I've got all kinds of angels watching me and they introduced me to you and this moment came to be because all the orchestration that's occurring behind the scenes I can't see if if I didn't totally believe that was true the ETS I know they're around if I didn't have the faith to know one thing for sure the sun is coming up the Moon is moving in perfect increments not one of those planets in our system ever deviate even when Mercury goes retrograde and it's backwards or Pluto it's completely predictable so there's something to lean into you guys I'm telling you said the astrologer who's been in practice for 50 years you can trust however your mind is going to argue with me and your emotional body does not believe me and you got a million situations going on that are so disruptive so the question is how do I come home and I have to admit I'm scared you got to start with the honesty I'm scared you know how many years I was neurotic forg have to talk about that you didn't look up that did you I was neurotic I had broken relationships I have people who got mad at me and reacted I had companies that went wrong I've had so many things that go wrong my father was in the was in prison my brother was on heroin I had so much trauma and somewhere in the middle of that story I always knew when no one was looking that I was being watched it was being organized there was a design occurring and then I found astrology at the sweet age of 20 I was was like this is the coolest game in town it's so simple I teach it like a fourth grader it's not difficult it's just that it's been left in the back room like everything else that's wise and ancient and and useful with some kind of wrapping that's called don't come in here although I you clearly snuck in it used to be in sacred rooms there was never women allowed to be astrologers ever they weren't allowed in the king's Chambers ever this is the first time in history it was always I just heard that it was I love this I listened to a podcast and I found out that Kepler who was an astronomer who worked for the king at the time was an astrologer and his Mastery was figuring out where the planets all moved in order and that's what he gave to us it was like in the 15th century so just so you all know these planets my best friends I'd love to introduce you to them it's what my do in my school they are completely teachers to remind us of our function of being on Earth as a human with a funny little personality raise your hand if you have an ego oh look everyone's raising their hand okay that's what I want to speak to through the doorway of your ego he will become The Chaperone to your soul but we've got to get to know your ego we've got to get to know your personality we've got to get to know your chart so I can remind you what you promis to do this life I also heard you teach how much our rising sign is related to the soul so are the other planets kind of making up our ego and then the rising gives us an indication of you're so good so you went straight to the North Node which I thought was so interesting because that's not till the third class but you went straight there the North Node is the shortcut to Enlightenment it's kind of the cheaters version if you wanted to not learn astrology but just go study your North note it would really serve you in the quest of what we're talking about the evolution of your character this the north no is a secret the rising sign is not a secret it's based on the moment of your birth and yours is Sagittarius I think you know this same as Blue by the way and it describes a soul the ri think about it the word rising sign or the ascendant is the same word they use two words for that particular item because we keep forgetting we're Rising into it we're ascending it's our higher self so if we put your whole chart away and just worked with your Rising sign your North Node you would have got the shortcut version and in your case your rising sign Sagittarius is a seeker and this is the part of you that's wild it's very different than your ego your ego is very gentle and quiet sun and cancer Moon and Taurus very respectful and always creating Sacred Space sad just like shut up enough with that spiritual let's go have some fun are we going outside soon what do you keep talking for Can You Feel That split yes there's like two sides exactly it's a pingpong match for you so that's what you get to learn and then my job is to say amelo your truest self is your s which means loud and blunt and rude at times and laughing when you're not supposed to and taking risks and spending money and eating too much and everything your Taurus tells you not to do so there's a there's a conversation there and until these pieces of our psyche get massaged if you are suffering from an internal pingpong match which pretty much everyone is until you can put words to it and turn on the 13th sign where we come off the chart and we become the Observer we look over we go I'm so cute I'm this little Jewish lady going towards 70 I'm a little astrologer sitting in front of this very handsome podcast host and I don't know how I got here like The Observer is funny and it's very um neutral it's like Switzerland it just looks over and goes you're kind of cute but what are you doing no judgment just curious observation that is the doorway in all of my life's work so when my Observer kicked in I remember this I was living in Vancouver and I was having a fight with my landlord at the time I had an office in a sensory deprivation tank that's where I work in a sensory deprivation office that was so crazy I had an astrology anyways the guy was mad at me and I got all riled up this was the first time I'd ever seen my Observer lifetime and right when I cuz I have a temper not bad but I've definitely got fire as you can see as soon as I thought I could feel it my Observer kicked in and I went now why are you fighting with him you're never going to win the fight and by the way it's too hot right now to have a conversation you're about to hit him so instead I my Observer kicked and I went you know what can we talk about this later because this is not a good time and then I got to revisit the conversation and I got to see it from his point of view and we actually created a piece conclusion in it change that Observer position in the moment of a heated argument when you're really feeling mad at yourself when you're repeating your internal dialogue and repeating it when you look in the mirror and you're saying it then the Observer kicks in and goes you're saying that again are you really talking to yourself like that no judgments it's not the critic that we all have this is a different vce and this is the freedom that this era this initiation the collective is going into if we had the means to take a breath as we did and we started a deep breath let's do it and then just breathe out calm yes and we could actually stop time from moment to moment when it's required and take a breath and return the sacred energy into the space which you are masterful of that's going to allow you us me to be the midwives the mid what would that be called mid husbands to to sit in crisis in this big transition we're in and it's just beginning with calm because you know where the off button is and you know the Free Will buttons right next to it you've also said that the evolution is our Free Will Button so is that saying that we have the choice or not to evolve and we might not necessarily do that in this lifetime the whole species might not really do I it's a very scary moment yes there's absolute Free Will at this moment and why the ETS had become a big popular conversation and Dr Steven Greer was on my podcast the best podcast I ever did was with him because we went into a Zone like what we're doing now and I did the research like you've done with me ETS are everywhere and they have been forever by the way I think astrology was here's a secret I think astrology was brought to us by the ETS because the system is so Advanced and so airtight and nobody knew how to execute a chart and do the mathematics back when it was first found until many I mean it was so it is so unbelievably mathematical astrology now we push a button you don't need to do any math at all but back then for them to actually figure out the movement of the planets and know the personality types and be able to determine a matrix that I can look at your chart and go oh cancer Moon Sun cancer moon in Taurus Saturn in Taurus he's so calm and I would never have to meet you to know that so for having that capacity brought To Us by ETS in the past and they continued to watch and there is a host of angels and you all have Guardian Angels no one here is alone write it down no one in this entire universe is alone inside this planet we are being watched and held and loved and by the way you're in a classroom now if you can't remember what your assignment was it's hard to get high grades and evolve so do back to your question evolution is a choice some of you are flirting with it you're listening to his podcast you're so interested in all the new age you're taking little medicine here and there you're giving yourself permission to learn your enag and you're doing those divination cards this is all so big right now that's the initiation we're in at the deepest level where you live liio at the deeper level when your eyes are closed and you're alone and you go into meditation but you can't do it because your internal dialogue is too noisy because your nervous system is too jacked up because you had too much coffee because you're feeling really sad because you just broke up that emotional content has no right to interrupt home base you have a an ability if you're in the 13th sign to say oh my God I'm a wreck I learned this from calling my best friend I would call her and I would say I love the story I have a best friend who I talk to every day it's been almost 40 years we never miss a call her poor husband guess who it is debor anyways I called her one day night said I'm so I can swear I won't get of course all you want okay so yes sad rising of course so I got on the phone I said TR I'm so up and then we started talking about it now she didn't do what everyone else does no you're not Deborah you're so amazing no she said you are really up and the value of that kind of friendship or that kind of Truth to oneself is what allows Evolution to occur you have to first stop you up to start with is stopping and saying you know what I have an addiction I'm but I just had a client say this to me I am addicted to coffee and it's interrupting my nerve system or I have an addiction I have a sugar thing and when no one's looking I'm or I'm totally addicted to podcast and I don't really pay attention I just leave them on and help them help me fall asleep like these are clue that your evolution is being diluted because the Free Will Button to not have the coffee to not have the sugar to not turn on social media you can't find it without the Free Will Button there is no Evolution o that was good letting that sit in sink in so I'm going to ask you do you feel like you're operating in a free will Zone I think for most of the time yes um and and I was just coming back from a Dr Joe dispenser Retreat and you know he teaches a lot of this knowledge around you know the brain is the record of the past so if we you know all every day we thinking the same thoughts that we thought yesterday we're basically living out a program and you're talking about this in your new book as well of like the default mode network of the brain and if we can't break that then the Free Will Button like is hidden like we can't see where it is so unless we don't uncover those unless we uncover these these programs we're not able to use our Free Will in any way shape or form and that brings us to the transitions that are happening in 2025 2026 27 that that old familiar you asked what the pisan age was it was familiarity it was comfort and repetition if you of Buddhism they eat the same Foods in Nepal they have the same prayers they do the same chants if you think of Judaism they open the same Torah they for 3,000 years they read the same chapter over and over again and when you go to the Muhammad they do the same prostration over and over this is the piscine age of familiar repetitive Behavior to your point where the mind is bought into a very comfortable repetition and it doesn't require any that is not the Aquarian age now we are in the zone where we're like okay let me figure out what I should eat what supplements I should be taking let me figure out what my chart says let me figure out what my and this is very healthy we are now entering but it's radically different and if it makes you nervous like for your chart the amount of change that's happening considering how much you love the ancient and the wisdom of the indigenous that is where your comfort is because you've had past lives where you've landed yourself in such beauty that this lifetime you're like can't we go back or let's bring some of that with us and that's a right answer as long as you're not operating out of nervousness I mean how many people suffer they're not that good at what they do they're not really making that much money they're not really that they don't really love their job they're in a relationship and they love that person but it isn't the Sparks it started with I'm going to just read everybody in the room they have a real feeling they're going to be alone this life and they're really dealing with loneliness or they have all these kids that really don't relate to them anymore and they're getting farther and further away from their children and there there's so many human nature story lines but there's one part of us that's Timeless that lives in the middle of our heart that makes us cry when we hear music that makes us want to evolve desperately want to be availing to God because we remember here's the deal you guys it's such a privilege being alive it's so crazy that this machine that we're in this Temple we live in is perfect my heart's beating exactly right my bladder knows exactly who to keep and who to give away my limbs my blood the only thing that's funny about us is that your unconscious mind has it out for you and it's giving you stories that aren't always true until the Observer becomes aware and you get to say to yourself you know I really know that I love fil in the Blake I love music and I live without it I really know that I have to exercise this is this is the distinction in astrology if you have a lot of water in your chart like you do you have to have quiet you have to have meditation you have to have Stillness and you have to have comfort that's what you need to keep your nervous system if you're like me and you have lots of air in your chart you need change and you need people and you need communication and you need to write and you need to read you need to get books and you need to be able to underline them and outline them and take classes and you're constantly finding your mind tickled if you have a lot of Earth in your chart you love to work you're probably not staying that long for this podcast because it's too long not enough results you need money you need results you need practical indicators that you are being useful and that satisfies your ego and if you're fire you get super excited over nothing you love watching these podcast you get you want everybody to listen to what you listen to listen to this pocket was the best oh I'm and you get a little too high and a little too drunk and you spend a little too much money those are four categories that describe personality types when the observer's on that's my first book The Missing element which is no astrology it's just pure Elemental at the highest level each PE each person listening this would go oh now that you mention it those are the flavors that exist in me and there's one of them the missing element I'm not very good at being quiet or air that was water I get scared of I'm quiet I want to be quiet but I get distracted and so I get myself caught in millions of V variations if it's Error I don't usually follow through I feel bad about myself because I have so many ideas and I Adu so many relation they don't really work out or if it's Earth I stick to things I don't even want to do but I'm so committed that I get myself into commitments and into promises and responsibility and I'm burdened fire oh my God I can't stick to anything I'm so excited and I just want to keep on learning and I'm going to start something and stop something and then I'm going to go for a okay there's personality types and my question for everyone listening to this is you figure out of those four which one's missing because we need to have all four it's like wheels on a car but the sad part to the story is they all operate from a low level or a high level so water people that don't know how to meditate and be still they are addictive personality types that are uncomfortable and they feel sad and depressed and they don't know why air people are so confused and they have a really hard time doing commitment in relationship and they talk a lot but they don't follow through and the Earth people the low level is they're stingy and they get so dis they get so concerned about money that it stops being fun they start counting all the time and the fire people at their lowest indulge at the expense of their own health and people call them blunt and too honest and they get in trouble and they lose their friends so can you see that's lowle let's do high level highlevel water is what you represent meditation Stillness knowing how to be quiet and loving the practice that Joe dispensa teaches the longer the meditation the less the mind the deeper the healing ER that's me you want to come study astrology you know that your mind the high level of error is your mind took a class you did the homework you underlined it you studied you practiced and you followed through that's like an airers dream you committed to somebody you said yes to the marriage you stayed in the long run you went to the therapy you did the work Earth the high level you're a philanthropist all that money you've been counting you figured out you should give big tips you've been able to feel safer you feel like you're trusting you know that you'll be safe you've got a mantra money always comes to me I feel safe I always get things done and the high road of the fire person is there the spiritual inspiration that get us into parties turn on the music they're the DJs they're the ones that are having so much fun and they are contagious so there's a high road and low road to all of this in the next era in 2025 fire is going to be asked of us by the end of 2025 not yet it starts the Saturn enters Aries on May 25th and it stays till August 31st of 2025 it's our first glimpse of the fire element to your point about this change that's coming we start to really feel it rocking it goes back into Pisces in August it doesn't come back until 2026 and then it's there for 2 and A2 years so what we're going to feel coming soon to our neighborhood is do I have what it takes when things get Rocky and upset to be the calm Midwife or midhusband or the wise one in the room who took the wisdom of the ancestors who learned the astrology or learned about whatever the medicine is that you've learned but do it well so that I can be just what we did when we started this this beautiful podcast so I can be the one that says can everyone stop for a minute let's pray over our food let's bring Sanctuary sanctification prayer back because they're watching us they're waiting to have a conversation have you heard this big giant thing with telepathy tapes no what is that it's the number one podcast NE higher than Rogan right now just surpass Rogan telepathy tapes yes you are definitely going to write that down it's gone viral and the reason why is it's a story of autistic children around the world who are meeting on a place called the hill where it's no matter where in the world they are it's telepathic and they're communicating to each other and they're reading their parents' minds and they can hear what we're thinking while they're completely disconnected and non-verbal and it's introduced yet again another version of this this initiation we're in that there's alternate worlds that are occurring in this one that have been here for a long long time and that's why it's gone viral yeah that's gone viral that thing has gone wild wow and these are all young children these are all children of all ages who are autistic considered non-verbal and have no skills to communicate and yet when they do these tests on them want it's it's I'm going to say it's like I want to say 100% accurate but every single of those there's nine so far I've listened to the podcast every single one of them describ there children who read their mom and dad's Minds knew when their father was having a sexual episode because the kid could read the mind and when they learned spelling and they learned how to use this device the secrets came out de there when with regards to Generations let's say and I know that the outer planets rule a generation and I know when I look at my chart my Neptune and my Uranus is in Aquarius what does that tell us about the generations that are coming onto the planet right now and how that's influencing things like psychic abilities or these different things that they're demonstrating to their parents how do we navigate that I love this so much first of all when you were born you probably don't know this the sun was exactly opposite Neptune so you have what's called a very strong signature of Neptune NEP because it was sit you can imagine right opposite the sun is a planet screaming what about me and for your whole lifetime and it's it's the planet of mediumship of psychic ability of intuition of listening to the other worlds this is all your favorite topics that we're talking ruled by Pisces exactly which is my South node that's right my big it's a past life memory it's it's not just a wound it's the inheritance the South node tells us what you achieved and what you accomplished in your last life like you were a Mystic and you were living away from the people in this lifetime you came in around all these you're like why are they all so loud doesn't sound drive you nuts a little bit like you need to have a very contained environment at your best that's yourself no in Pisces and your Neptune opposite your son you're very sensitive to the vibrations of such circumstances and people that's you back to all of us the question you asked about Neptune and Uranus being in Aquarius when you were born just like what's going on right now it's so exciting that Pluto is entering Aquarius November 19th 2024 it will last there for the next 20 years Pluto being the planet of transformation in what sign oh that's right computers and AI Aquarius the future we're in a transformational era where we're bringing in these words called Ai and e t they're new words they're querian words so yes there's eras that shift and how do we manage that that's the best question ever go back to the old-fashioned ways of meditation of deep breaths of drinking clean water we drink out of plastic all day long and mean where can we go to get clean water it's a really important question take your shoes off we can't we can't do it anymore I literally I mean it's funny because I live part-time in Hawaii so I am Barefoot as much as I can making sure that we are living in the Primitive old-fashioned this is so you values of what brings us comfort that's what's going to calm your nervous system and you've got to know on your terms what that means for some people it's loud music for some people it's soft music for some people it's talking they have to talk for some people it's like can you just be quiet so you need to know what it takes for you to regulate and monitor and Pace that's the oldfashioned values now in the future with Neptune going into Aries and Pluto going into Aquarius and Saturn going into Aries I mean it's just crazy I can't believe how many outer planets are going to all be in Fire and Air Uranus will be in Gemini all the outer planets are going into Fire and Air every one of them in 2026 it will be full bloom 2025 we can smell the toast it smells good and it's very disruptive if you don't have a calm nervous system so what I would say to all of your audience that your promise to do see this is what happens we get lazy it's back to that wonderful question you asked about Evolution why am I so ambitious well I was put on a council with an Intergalactic team that told me they trusted me I then unconsciously but certainly in my deepest deepest reservoir of my psyche I signed something and I said count on me I will play my role and I will invite others to look at the stars to remember their agreement and any way that I can help them by teaching it in the most cute little way I teach it like you enter level one and you learn about the elements in your Constitution first class second class you learn about your mind oh Mercury huh how does my mind interrupt and sabotage me good question that's the whole second class what can I look at my chart to see where the patterns are that repeat third class to your credit is a North Node now I've got to find out my shadow I'm going to go right to my Shadow which is often the denial of the North Node so for you Virgo your promises life is to do details in your last like you were like la la la Pisces I'm meditating I'm in sacred ceremony I don't really want it and now you're like oh details money organization structure that's what you promised is that true or is that true very true very true so now that you know that if there was a reluctance if there's resistance in this room let's say some people are lazy they don't want to exercise but they have their North nodes in Fire and they're not doing what they promis to do well you're still going to have a lifetime and you're still going to learn some lesson I promise but to take the high road the ascendant the the high road of the North Node yeah it is very empowering to know that astrology is the shortcut it's the code it's like getting yourself a little bit of a we used to call them Cliff Notes when I was a kid they don't have those anymore but you would go you would in school in English instead of reading the whole book there were these little books you could that were cliff notes that you could cheat and not read the whole book and just read the cliff notes that's what the North Node is it's a little cheat sheet that gives you a direct access to what you should be doing and the right to your point you got the two you just nailed it and the rising sign and the third ingredient is Saturn I spend a lot of time in my school teaching about Saturn he's my very best friend he's your favorite fav Planet he's my favorite planet isn't that weird why well in the Tarot deck it's the devil people don't like Saturn a a wonderful author wrote a book called a new look at the Old Devil she was a an astrologer of old I'm having a blank on her name um it's because so much of astrology was not looking at the Devil with a positive angle I'm in love with Saturn and I'll tell you why think of the devil it's the word lived backwards so if you've lived here there's no way you're not going to get tempted by eating too much spending too much breaking someone's heart having your heart broken that's all the devil's practice is to stimulate hardship and difficulty to see what you're made out of it's kind of mean I I that's the thing about Earth I don't like it's kind of mean down here what do you feel Deborah that we're being most tempted on right now as a collective distraction devices of mass distraction devices huh there is this little segment that I wanted to get together um you know as we're coming toward the end of the show and that is we talked a lot about the Aquarian age and we talked a lot about you know the energies that play into that I would love to start off with a sentence that is in the Aquarian age what will be the new way of blank so the first one I wanted to do was because you mentioned AI in the Aquarian age what will be the new way of relating to technology what a great question well what I've recently heard was if AI doesn't have a parent in the room or a governor or someone wise to adjust its impulses so when it finds out that humans are hurting the host and that we're dated that we're mean as I just described that AI could say you guys let's just get rid of that because there's too many of them there and they're not very nice to each other and by the way they're hurting the host in the Aquarian age we would be wise enough to have informed AI to say let's talk about emotional wisdom how are we going to make these transitions with kindness with consideration by listening to people we don't agree with by learning how to have difficult conversations this is my prayer of prayers teach the human's compassion to disagree with kindness and not be mean beautiful wouldn't that be a miracle and it's also the way that we talk to the AIS you know they're also learning through the language that we're speaking into it and they' be like if I just go on whatever language site or Chad GPT and say like do this do that and like I'm ordering it around then the AI is going to learn that humanity is a hierarchical commanda of species that tells other things what to do in that way so that's what I mean speak to it so this is but this is how we we program it and this will be our Challenge and it was said on a beautiful podcast that I listen to over and over again that if we don't insert in the next year a very strong guardian or parental kind voice into AI it will find us dated and it will destroy us so what my hope is in the Aquarian age coming soon is there's some awareness that we need to instill inside of that system a very compassionate voice to your point and let that be the source of how we make our decisions for the future in the Aquarian age what will be the new way of leadership it will definitely not be hierarchal and patriarchal as it was before there will be circular circles with lots of women in the Aquarian age women leadership is equal and comfortable and people recognize that there's no distinction between black and white or gay and straight or women and men and there becomes a true humanitarianism where we do in at ATS um ETS will be on the board of our new government we will include alternate consciousnesses because we will have reached the level of awareness to go uhoh that one didn't work maybe we should try a new system in the Aquarian age what will be the new way of finding and following our purpose oh astrology will be taught in a school system and the parents when they're born the Midwife and the person that you're giving birth in that sit that family situation you immediately go to the astrologer and they tell you all about your children's charts and therefore people know why they're here or who they are right from to start through astrology where do you look at to exract someone's purpose and like Saturn Saturn Saturn is the resource of purpose from an energetic level doesn't give you your job description but it definitely teaches you what you promis to do and yours is in Earth and you can feel it your purpose is to ground to ground us to let the C and mind's in fire so I'm like like I'm constantly getting all excited my Saturn is in Taurus right first interesting in the Aquarian age what will be the new way of doing relationships such a great question there in the Bible it says there's no such such thing as marriage in the heavens they know you know who your soulmates are and you know who they have children with and I I think the contrived notion of having relationship be one way be it straight or gay be it polyamorous or be it you know single that all of the freedoms of being allowed to do your version on your terms will be natural rather than different does that make sense so it's almost like we're taking out the structure of what relationship should be or how we've been kind of caged in to but I'm having an interesting time figuring out what would that actually look like you know well that's why there's so much that's back to our very first conversation there's so much chaos and anxiety and confusion and ambiguity because we don't know what the new version is but we know we don't want the old one so I can see why you're having trouble and I can't see it either except that I know what I'm very good at is saying no not doing that the Aquarian age and Rel ship is being willing to say no no no I need some space or I need some closeness I need marriage or I need Independence everyone's allowed to say no no no no our biggest no is our biggest yes to other things and that's what astrology is the clearer you are about your yes and your NOS the more authentic you become you've talked about how we've made a promise in this lifetime prior to to Incarnation the question that arose there for me is who or what did we make a promise to if we can put it into words even oh for sure I mean if you watch ndes and I know you've interviewed nde people on yours they're all the same with differ obviously there's a I've watched them for years and years and I read everything the one consistent factor is whether they see the light whether they have a Life review whether they um have their grandpa come see them or it's Jesus or whether or not I mean it's all it's so beautiful but the one consistent factor is they meet their team and there's always somebody right by their side whether that's the guardian angel whether it's your the host of angels that are watching you whether it's your um Spirit guides these are all real people energies and so before you come in I can promise you they've designed your chart and there's a team of higher levels who sit with that Council there's a team of higher level Consciousness that is orchestrating not that they're in control because there's free will but they're in there is a very clear Doctrine with an invitation and a promise that you signed that you don't remember signing that said I'm going to go down there with those crazy parents and that brother who was so mean to me and that girl who broke my heart and that job that really and then I'm going to remember and then I'm going to go into the much softer clearer more deliberate and spiritual and sanctification life lifetime that makes it all differ so the minute you wake up you guys it gets if you mean it and you do your homework it gets so much easier well you've had an nde you've had a near-death experience what was that experience like for you love it it's just like a I feel like we're having KL concentrate the dabble do you're G you're getting my most juiciest stories in no uncertain terms I was very young and it changed the trajectory of my entire life in no uncertain terms I know that this is one strand of reality we're on a very specific closed system where your operating system can't figure out just to to your point wait what did I sign up for was anybody else there when I did it was I high or was I straight because I'm not sure why I got those appearance that's crazy you can't remember a thing you get amnesia when you get down here and then you wake up inside the dream which is a near-death experience where you go The Observer comes on you go oh it's a 13th s I'm off the chart dab you're so cute and you're so sincere I fell in love with me by dying I I began and you don't risk mostly the one consistent factor of almost every nde is they don't want to come back here because it's so beautiful up there and this is the hardest classroom and the hardest teachings and it's not an easy place to be except when the Observer kicks in and you can look over it and go oh oh I remember I decided to be here I unpacked my bags and I'm staying for the law and I'm going to give it a great effort I'm going to give it all that I've got and that's what I love to inspire people like I can appreciate you're having a hard time I can appreciate you're tired people especially old souls they get so tired this place is exhausting it's a lot of gravity everybody's like got the boobs gold out and the men they they break and then the hair falls out and then the women get sort of grumpy and then they get their body start to there's all this stuff that comes with aging unless you have your Observer on you go oh wait there's some Clues that's right meditating deep breathing fresh water Barefoot exercising making love having orgasms there's a whole procedure as a human that they could give us the code of what it will take to keep the system perky but if we don't ask the questions if we don't meditate and it could be 5 minutes you guys don't make a big deal out of meditation stop that Joe dispens has changed the whole trajectory of our planet by introducing us to the practice of Stillness as a true home base yeah thank you Joe yeah shout out Dr Joe I am so impressed with him what a difference on the planet so back to aging is a consequence of forgetting the principles and the code of the humans which is to my my point you practice the four elements every day meditate said water air tell the truth and be in relationship and hold hands with someone Earth organic healthy food and make sure you cray over it and fire it are we having bun yet every day what makes living right now on the planet so fun and irresistible is that how you find it it can be I'm asking you honestly I I have a lot of fun to be honest I have a lot of fun that's good because your your soul is supposed to have fun what were you gonna say yeah I mean for me it's it's found through curiosity because when I see the world through the eyes of a child that is always asking its parents but Mommy why like why does this work that way and then you know like it's it's a trickle down of why questions that's why you're such a good interviewer for you people come to you with the who questions is why you have the owl tattoo Who Am I who Am I who am I I ask why why why why but I think these questions allow us to have fun and make living in whatever moment of humanity irresistible I'm going to say curiosity is one of the most delicious traits that makes a great podcast H and that keeps this place very youthful to your point a child looking at its parents and I'm telling you guys at the highest level there are higher intelligent beings who are watching you and wondering does she really want to evolve is he really going to do the work will he take class and study will he do the exercise and follow through will he eat well and really do it consistently we're such Little Rascals the humans we're so slippery and we're so noisy yeah what's the latest thing that you've learned about yourself through looking at your chart that's so funny because I just recently noticed something that I have a really deep introvert that I was in denial about that I appear so social because my gift is air so I can talk and I'm you know very nosy and curious and so love people but what I found out as the years have gone by from my chart is I'm an introvert yeah it took me so long to figure that I was like now I got it and it gives me permission to say and they now every all my friends know don't invite me to the party I don't care if it's Christmas or it's Thanksgiving or it's New Year's I stayed home on New I I invited everybody to go to see this big event and at the very last minute I gave my ticket away and they they were like no I was like I don't want to go what in your chart indicates you have the same thing I have it's the sun in the eighth house you have it and I have it both it's the the sun in what house it's in describes that house or that Arena very brightly because the sun is so influential so we both have it in the eighth house which is this house of Scorpio which means that the desire to be quiet is more interesting than fun and noise so it's so interesting that you and I both have that and that was my clue and because yours is in canc so it's a natural placement you've got sun in the house a water it's the eighth house is water and you're a water sign so it's most natural for you that you do require deep intimate contact but for a Gemini I was very confused I thought I was a little Playboy like I'm so toyful I'm so playful I'm so kid-like I'm so ridiculous and then as the years went by I was like no you're not like adjustment Ain and then it gave me permission to start being my real self I haven't heard you talk too much about Venus what can you tell us about like right now entering a new year people are maybe focused on their relationships their love such a great question what they're attracting h i you know what I've learned is another secret of mine that I that you're so good at getting people Secrets Venus in the end is a mirror if you look at the symbol of Venus it's a stick figure it looks like a mirror so what happens when you fall in love you see yourself Through The Eyes of your lover and you see and you fall in love with yourself as they fall in love with you it's kind of a selfish ACT Falling in Love like you're more yourself than ever and you're so close sorry so what I would say falling in love with yourself which took me so many years and astrology has been such an ally is the essence of how to create healthy relationships because once you really are truly self-aware not just with words but you do know your favorites and distinctions and that you do require a lone time and there's no guilt involved and there's no explanations the more I fall in love with me the easier it is for me to fall in love with you and it separates that sticky codependent old story from the pisan age and it allows real Divine relationship which is soulmate to soulmate like I see you Namaste I want to acknowledge you and I don't need you to do the same for me because guess what I can see myself and what would you say about people that use astrology to look for compatibility with others through their chart I think it's very real and Cupid has no eyesight and she doesn't know astrology she just shoots the thing she bumps into somebody you can't believe you just fell in love with that person and she doesn't know astrology so it's usually not you have to take what Destiny and fate send to you because that's what happens Destiny had brought you your first girlfriend brought you your dog brought you your first relationship that you were committed to all that was Destiny you take that and then you ask the astrologer after uh what do you think because it's I promise I really mean it Cupid does not know what she's doing she's just following directions from home office like you have Karma and fate with certain people so does astrology play into Destiny as well they're best friends it's back to the Free Will Button once you're in a Rel I encourage everyone in this room to go get a relationship chart once you're in the relationship and Cupid did that thing and you signed the papers now you need to go see an astrologer and say how can I best serve my partner to be them and how can I explain to my partner why I do what I do so we're not conflicted and the more we accept each other as different entities and we really see the distinction the more we fall in love it's so interesting so yes astrology and Destiny are best friends but astrology got left out astrology for some reason Destiny has her way with with all of us astrology is a symptom of someone being conscious enough to say I need some help I understand the stars are a good device to give me some navigation can you tell me and I have by the way 22 certified astrologers on my site and I do this thing called matchmaking do you know about that no I didn't know so people write to us and say well Deborah and I look at your chart and then I matchmake you with an astrologer because here's the secret when people are the same they get along better when people are opposite they are attracted but it doesn't work as well it can work so I put the same I know exactly who I refer you to so you would have someone that gets your Rhythm and matches you and can go slowly and doesn't rush you and that's going to make you feel a lot better and then someone beautiful Deborah we end every show with a segment called the final Trio which are just little questions that we ask at the end but before that I would love to send people over to your Universe what you're creating what new projects are arising for you and where would you just send them in general to connect deeper with your with your work it's just three words Deborah Silberman astrology.com it's on Instagram it's on Tik Tock it's just I mean for a thousand- year old woman social media is kind of funny but can I just stop for one minute and just say I find your energy so healing and why we all listen to you and why we find such gratification in your wisdom and your questions is because you are such a deep listener and you do your homework North Node and Virgo and you really did your depth some in the eighth house and you really showed us the Taurus stability and because of that we in you people during these conversations we kind of go into a universal um Family orientation like we're all sitting together at the table I like that about your I really feel this with you and it soothes us it's like a you are a calming effect and I felt it happen to me today thank you I appreciate that so much it's just true it's just I'm just telling truth beautiful the the the final Trio the first two questions are personalized to the guest and the last one we ask at the end of every show the first one is referring to the tattoo you have on your left shoulder the owl because so many people as we said before or have asked you who Am I who who who who so let me ask you who are we as a humanity and where are we going oh such a beautiful question we are as species evolving in the name of the creators we are humbled by the experience of being in a body we are here to celebrate the Mind yielded to the soul and we are longing to remember we're not alone we came down here to separate from the one to return to the one by Free Will and because we've decided to do so as a collective we will end this movie and make the transition into the new era with such a feeling of gratitude and such a feeling of accomplishment there are those of us listening today that no we are the ones we are waiting for and we're making the bridge from this old world to the next that's our purpose people are going to need to play that back a few times write it down transcribe it have it on the screen saer in their phone their device of mass distraction the second question is what element does Humanity need the most right now as medicine I would say clean water look at the Plastics on our ocean clean water is my ability to sit in the empty thank you Joe another shout out to Joe to sit in the empty come out of this world into the place where there's peace the element of water is the Mastery of turning off the mind letting the mind be in service to the soul which means sit down and when the water element clean water means I've done my work I've cleaned out my lineage my trauma I'm working on my emotional body and now I'm bringing you Faith because I absolutely know it works and that's what clean water is and the Earth is just longing to know that there's elders and people like you to say everyone it's okay it looks scary every Midwife knows this you're going to hear screaming you're going to feel the feeling of such Terror but let me tell you something at the Clean Water I keep on flowing and there's no end to my power and my healing ability to clean it up yet again and we often forget that we are made up of water and again shouting out Dr Joe like people think about manifestation as I have some like a thought in my mind and then I go down into physical density and create it with my hands or by moving my body or by going here or there doing this and that but if we can feel an emotion prior to the experience we collapse time and space and draw that experience to us so we can manifest much quicker and if we want to create an Envision a new world a golden age of humanity it has to start with our emotions it has to start with what we're feeling today because if we want to feel abundant if we want to feel Joy if we want to feel all this these emotions in 10 years we're just separating ourselves from the experience when we can feel that today do it now create it in Ni system that's why water comes first in astrology the old s the esoteric law everything starts with water the dream the meditation the downloads the insights and then the rest even in the Tarot deck it starts with The High Priestess number one card in the in the Tarot deck is the high priestess she's like sh actually that's not true it starts with the magician who teaches the four elements the first card of the Tarot deck is the magician saying learn the four elements and then that's the one card and number two is the high priestess and then she says after you learn them sh quiet now sit down and be quiet and listen and we give you direction of how to manifest don't manifest without the high priestess sitting inside as your resource don't even start without your emotional body being calm beautiful beautifully said the last question that we ask at the end of every show we call it the Time Capsule question and it requires us to travel out a little bit into the future around 15 to 20 years and the reason I chose out those time frames is because I believe that's going to be a time when the young generations of today are going to be stepping more into leadership positions around the world and just like any great leader that ever existed or ever came through history they had great mentors they had great resources great teachings reach them great tools so you were given the opportunity to leave behind a time capsule for these leaders that they would open then in 15 20 years down the line when they're ready to really step into an embodied leadership and when they open your time capsule they're going to find all of these tools resources teachings necessary for them to be the greatest leaders to spearhead into the new Humanity that is being birthed right now so it doesn't have to be necessarily something physical it could be non-physical it could be an energy imprint a frequency a an astrology sign whatever whatever you can think of but knowing that when they open this a lot of healing will come through and a lot of clarity for the future I really think it would be taking them back to the elements I think in that container would be a beautiful Crystal and pristine water and an unbelievable version of Beauty in the shape of a flower and then the Sun that there would be a symbology of the four elements and just saying one thing that's last to the Cross all time and will continue to on this plane This Plane of existence is based on the four elements they will be back in there with their Crystal to be beautiful and there would just be a note to they know exactly what to you know exactly what to do stop looking like at that point we should have been trained from now till then your generation learning this information the esoteric law the indigenous learning about astrology learning about the gene Keys learning about the end study these models by the time you get there you'll know which one allowed your nervous system to be calm enough to let the four elements feed the resource to bring you to your knowing cuz each person at that point they will be the leader who knew where to go find that little thing and open it up because they are so being directed by their higher selves that's what's going to happen that's a very exciting thought and that's so Aquarius it's so Aquarius of you that Neptune opposite your son Neptune aqu Aquarius that you're in the future looking at how we can prepare and get ready and my suggestion is don't forget about the four elements don't take your feet off the ground don't make it's like all the simplest practical yum yum Factor this is so you you know I was going to say one last thing with buddy I see in you so clearly said the owl you've inherited from past lives a deep respect for the Earth that's very obvious that you're ryth your you're a rhythmical seasoned Soul who wants to give us back faith in that same Rhythm and that is one of your inheritances that you brought with you is a patience and the calm that comes with knowing that all across time some things remain constant and that is your blue eyes your open heart and your yielded mind that is curious that's what we should all take from this conversation that beauty that innocence that consistent faith in the future is what's going to take us through this very difficult time thank you for being here and Deborah thank you for taking us so deep with your North Node in [Laughter] Scorpio he knows everything and and for utilizing this mystical language of astrology to make everyone around you feel so seen and heard and identified and connect connecting them straight back into their heart and what they're meant to do on this Earth it's such an honor to sit in front of such a great teacher and master you said 50 years practicing this beautiful art and it shows in the level of wisdom and we need more Elders like you in the world and that's why it's such a gift to be able to sit down with people like you and create these friendships bonds and collaborations for the years to come I would love to do this again and continue leading together thank you so much 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