hi everybody welcome back to the bear trap podcast this is actually a special feature with the creator of gexpot I did a prior video in which I actually took a deep dive uh watching this tool live and talking about why it makes sense to be using it and all of that background but today I thought it made a lot of sense to just bring Jess on ask him about how and why he made this thing and maybe go through a day of looking at it just so that we can get it through his eyes um so yeah we'll come on the podcast Jess thanks for yeah thanks for having me yeah it's always great to talk about guests with you and I'm happy to share this tool to you guys yeah um so honestly my first question is um why and how the hell did you make this thing that's a good question uh I actually got started looking at Spock gamma levels um so they do a newsletter and they put out these gamma levels uh pre-market and I would mark them on my chart and so I was I primarily trade uh Futures es and there's a strong correlation well direct correlation between es and SPX options so their levels were great for um looking for those local reversions right and then for a time I kind of wondered what it would look like uh because there those levels were based off of Open interest and then you know if you go a few hours even after initial balance a lot of that data has become old technically um so I wanted to see what the gamma looked like intraday and uh that's kind of how geckspot started uh I would just basically just plot a snapshot of the gamma structure and then um the way I would have it real time refresh was I would I would save the image in the same spot over and over and over and then I'll just use that as my reference while Trading and then it kind of grew from there I started sharing on my Discord um or on Note cord and then someone suggested I posted on Twitter so I started doing that and then uh yeah it kind of turned into a whole thing uh we have a website now where it's actually real time yeah this is the that's the website that I'm on for everybody and then I also we're gonna look at the Twitter as well uh and then compare it to SPX over the course of this video so we can kind of look at all the different aspects of the tool yeah yeah yeah I and it's been it's been a trip seeing it like real time versus these static images before um even with like saving the images as quickly as I could um there's just something very different about watching it change real time on on the website that um it's hard to explain there's an intuitive sense to gamma um that I mean I haven't been treating it for very long but I know other people have been training for years and they say there's a there's a feeling to it that you get um that's hard to articulate but it comes naturally just due to the the way that it works and the way that it interacts with like spot price well it's it's it's flow right it's the same thing that right because you were telling me that you trade a lot using uh footprint and so you see these like massive orders hitting the tape or those of you that have watched bookmap um you see liquidity moving live is that fair to say yeah it's like you can feel like the heart you know through the tape uh through through Footprints um and you know you can see that the battle between uh buyers and sellers going on and it's very similar to how uh watching spot price approach some large gamma node it'll react to it and the gamma node itself will also react in kind it's a very close relationship yeah and it's it's honestly amazing how well this works and I can say this and in this video because you know I was watching uh there'll be an example later in the video I was watching this yesterday and there was a really really clear instance although we're not doing it live because we're recording on a um on Easter actually um so uh but but I'll do in the first video if you guys want to refer to that not only does it cover the you know why all this stuff works but also I'm going to be using um or I use the live version of gexbot but when I wanted to say more broadly is that uh like you're saying because we're just taking this is just open interest and volume you would think that because the volume nodes are just a mix of to open to close to buy to sell we don't really know um that it wouldn't be as informative as it is but the fact is that because um or at least this is this is my way of reading it you can correct me if I'm wrong you've been watching it longer than I have but because underlying price is moving in tandem with that volume coming into those strikes over time you actually develop a pretty intuitive sense of um is are there more contracts being added here are the contracts being taken away um yeah it's it's actually very similar to in order flow when you see um so the classic term is is absorption so you know you'll reach some level and you get a sense of um a whole bunch of orders hitting the offer at a very specific level and you can see how it's someone large that's taking it in they're offering liquidity and they're eating it all up from all of the smaller orders and you know technically each of these you know for every buyer there's a cell and for every cell there's a buy um so it's not necessarily that you're classifying uh the difference between whether it is or buy or sell but rather there's this level at which there's so much activity going on it becomes a pivot and it's a pivot that price will react to so in classic terms of uh resistance right so buyers trying to buy into resistance either they break through and you get a Breakout you get the re-test and continuation or you get buyer exhaustion it fails and you know the pivot becomes the top and it's very similar to how spot price will move into these gamma nodes where okay maybe people are buying calls maybe it's maybe it's paper buying calls maybe it's dealer selling calls um but it's it doesn't really matter although that sounds kind of hand wavy um it's just the fact that you know this is such a large Hive of activity that we either break through and we retest and we don't fall below it or we fail and it becomes a top for the day or for whatever time frame no I think I think that that's a great way to put it because at the end of the day right like this is a tool that's made for the practice of trading intradays so understanding how to how to use it right having a shorthand for reading it is likely more relevant than knowing all of the background although to be honest I you know the background is my favorite part yeah um yeah but um the other thing I wanted to add and I think I think you were kind of mentioning this right like it these levels are how would I put it they're mushy in a way right because um that's a good way to put it too right because because if you think about it in terms of hedging obligations and and this goes a little bit into the why right but it's not not a binary level right it's not as if under level um uh all of a sudden nothing's happening and then above that level everything's happening it's more like as we move into and away from it um there is a gradual transition and hedging obligations and activity at that level and so in the same way as perhaps the volume profile or something like that I see what you're saying about about viscosity as we're heading into a very high volume area it becomes more difficult for price to move whereas if we're moving through a lower volume area price can just uh kind of snap through all that uh what would you say lack of liquidity or that those air pockets so to speak right yeah no one wants to transact there and that's yeah yeah exactly um yeah I think that's a really good way to put it um so um yeah I'm actually going to move forward a little bit and again for this video we're kind of assuming that everybody has a a pretty decent understanding of all of the colors and stuff in this tool of course um it is kind of nice you can hop over here change the colors yourself I'm just using the defaults so you know if you're watching this at home you want to know what we're talking about maybe set everything to the default just so that you could have a pretty simple reference but um uh yeah um one thing I did want to ask you about and you know I'll have clarified this in the other video but just to remind everybody um these dots uh what are they how do you use them right right so uh so guess what it is it's done in price letter form right so we're just looking at our prices in our for our vertical axis and then our x-axis is the the x or the exposure um and so it's great for the you know actively trading getting the sense of where we are in relation to our levels um but the trade-off is that there's no access for time so at every moment you're really seeing just the current state of think X structure um and so in order to make up for this we have the dots which are just a way of showing the prior state so um for the the default colors the white dots I believe uh for the one minutes um that's where the gecks for that level was and then uh for the 5 10 15 30 uh that was those are all the previous States at those dots and uh in a sense that's how you get the feeling of progression or or in the case of like a classic um uh put squeeze or or short squeeze at the end of day where you see all the gamma evaporating from all the Pokemon uh below spot you'll see that the change or the difference between the dots and and the current states yeah that makes a lot of sense and it also kind of points to the fact that right the tool is built I think like in a way that it looks really simple at the same time though watching it during all these different types of days whether you have a chop day or a trend day or a um you need that screen time right because uh and this is just something that I've noticed myself from using it right we're going to look at one day which was a trend day which was yesterday um Thursday April 6th um and you know the guest spot behave in a very specific way and so you kind of have to build up your sense it's like with using any any tool right any tool that you're familiar with it takes a little bit of craftsmanship a little bit of familiarity um yeah a little bit of discretion um it definitely there there's you know I love using the term viscous and then there's like the other other analogy I like of you know it's it's sort of like um like driving a car where gamma is the rate of applying brakes or gas um but there's there's a lot of physical analogies that correspond to how the tool works and and looks um that yeah it does come with screen time it's hard to uh necessarily verbalize uh uh I don't know if this really is a good well well a little bit I mean no it's it's it is relevant for today right because um and again this is just mostly in reference to uh the first video but just as a reminder right because uh gamma is a derivative right it's about acceleration um if we see a big gamma level break whether to the upside or the downside we expect to see a moment of acceleration on the other side of it in the same way as we're just talking about air pockets uh or uh places where people don't want to transact and price how price moves really quickly through them the same can be said for this type of a distribution um so uh yeah in any case let's let's move on um to Friday and then maybe I can sort of like rack your brain as to how you would read all these different cases I'm just going to start with this image and this is just gexbot off the open um this is posted at 9 31 in the morning and this is basically purely well actually I'll leave it you what are you looking at here or how would you analyze it what's the first thing that you think when you see this well the first thing I I'm thinking is that the most obvious um strike or I I like to call them North Stars is 4100 above us and I'm also looking at the call gex at uh 4075 to see if we auction down towards that if if we can hold above that um and then mostly I'm watching the major Gammas and seeing where they're pointing out um large strikes of interest because those typically form uh places where people are expecting us to go whether that's informed Traders or just the market as a whole those typically form targets for me in terms of uh if I'm looking for a trend day or if I'm looking for a balanced day you know these are my lines in the sand so to speak okay so are you when you say the major levels you're talking about major negative gamma at 40 40 and major positive gamma at 41 uh 19 probably 41 20. yes yes exactly and then and then those are kind of like defining the intraday range for you was that fair to say yeah so in as you're saying before there's like a look for balances there's a look for Trend days um balance days it sounds really simple but typically we just auction between our major gamma levels so these are you know the points at which um people are expecting a reversion or people are not expecting us to go beyond or I'm not expecting us to go beyond um so I'll be looking for reversions at those levels with zero gamma typically forming the pivot in between very similar to how you know a vpoc or volume put of control will develop and there will be some value area high value area low and we're looking for auction between or within this range right yeah the other kind of day for Trend days um typically get spot will just have that look to it where it's just skewed and you know on those days major gamma in the direction that we're trending is is my North Star that's where I'm looking for us to go and I'm looking for us to maintain uh spot above or below or on that side of zero gamma so zero gamma is kind of forming the London sand behind us for Trend to continue yeah and you know and I'd love to get you on at some point also you know and we can distinguish make it maybe make a video trying to distinguish between these different types of days right because today we're looking at a day that was arguably um a range day with a little bit of trend spiciness added to it um but quite choppy action um but uh yeah I there was one other thing I actually wanted to mention which is at least for me when I was looking at this yesterday because I was also trading yesterday um my immediate reaction when I saw that spot price was at 4081 and that all these people were in these calls from yes from the day before uh from Wednesday was oh man the Market's gonna open and they're going to be offsides on their calls in other words they probably bought them at a better price and now uh they're going to be losing money so there's going to be this sort of instant desire to liquidate some of these guys which to my mind meant um it's very likely that price is actually going to move a little lower before it starts to move higher um does that make sense to you do you do you look at that as well or is that more of a niche thing no I think that that makes a lot of sense yeah that's absolutely fair to say um I you know looking at es2 there was that drive um to auction lower you know we could see even shorts kind of piling into um I believe it was like 4100 ish yeah 4100 40 90. you're talking yes levels now on yes yeah looking for looking for that break gotcha sorry 40.98 yeah okay cool yeah let me move on to uh the next image later in the day um which is so we were April 6 9 31 and move on to the next one these are every 15 minutes right because this will be okay yeah this is 9 46 a.m on that day okay and I can see that some some volume has come in but but not not a ton um and and maybe maybe it just makes sense to be highlighting the 40 50 here a little bit seeing a little volume come in there not super surprising because I will say by 9 46 just looking at the price action again open there liquidation of the calls come right down by 9 46 we're all the way down here um so you correspondingly see um that sorry let me go back on the Twitter that they added volume to these 40 50s um Let me let me move uh forward a little bit um so that we can see what happened next this is going to be uh 10 15 a.m okay what are you thinking here at this point I'm thinking that's gonna be a balanced day just from so like looking at Price action um us coming down we're kind of hitting this reversion at I think it was 498 we option up and then the way how the way that Geck spot looks is typical of a balance date currently you know we're hovering around zero gamma it's fairly even on either side um in terms of how far the gecks is you know there's the 40 50 puts that are looking to maybe monetize or maybe they're they're selling them and then the 4100 calls is the other end of the range so I'm expecting us to essentially arranged obviously that's a pretty large range um to balance between but that's how I'm reading it currently do you do you make anything of the fact that the 4100s seem to be more dominant at this stage than the than the put side yeah actually so so with our Max change gets by strike is a mouthful um on the bottom right uh you know that that also tells me that um so to explain what it is it's just saying that for each of those time frames this is the strike that underwent the greatest change in gex and then it tells you the notional amount um when it looks like this I'm you know that's actually a bias towards us leaning towards uh 4100 um so if the the very simple way of looking at it is that you know if every time frame is looking at a very particular strike and it they're all increasing then it's pretty likely that this is where most of the interest uh lies yeah the optional Market wants to go and then another thing that I'd add in terms of the why for that um right you could say well okay Jess why are they not just selling a ton of those 4100s and and my answer to that would be it's actually pretty simple it's um that if you were selling options you'd actually want to spread out a little bit more than that right that would be an insane amount of concentrated risk whereas if you're buying options and you want the point of Maximum convexity because you're expecting a specific move you actually want to Pile in exactly where everybody else is um that's a little bit more of a uh how would I put it more of a technical why type of Point well I think it's also that you know this is at 10 in the morning right like this is so early that it also doesn't make sense to be shorting like that out of the money um you know usually you want the the dates that kind of develop more before you start shorting um unless you're sorting way further out Wings right uh but yeah 4100 at this time would be kind of ill-advised that that's a really that's a that's a much better way to put it because also what I was saying actually it flips into the end of the day right at that point if you're selling uh implied ball you actually do want to be selling the strikes that everybody else is in because of the pinning uh potential but um exactly at this early in the day it's a little weird to to if those if those are predominantly cells okay so I'm gonna just hop over the price chart here so we can see where we're trading again this is um the time Stamped Out Here 10 14. we look at 10 14 here on trading view um we were looking at right here so we could see that there was a like off that low there at 40 70 made a pretty big move here 10 14 is here um so then the question would be as we start to come down here right um into the next time stamp which I'm guessing is going to be 10 30 which is going to be right here are they getting out of those 4100s or do they continue to add add to them right um yeah at least that's what I was looking for because I actually traded this yesterday um let's let's see here um Okay cool so this is 10 30. perfect um and uh you can actually this is exactly this is a moment where we can use the dots where we can see well you know um did volume increase what did it do versus prior volume and um it's the same right like all the dots are all here still um yeah my bias is still at this point it's still a balanced right because we're kind of we came back down right we we failed the sell-off below now we auction higher we filled the brake uh on ES we failed to Break 41-11 um so now I'm thinking well we're probably just gonna do a range day you know range around zero gamma essentially yeah around this uh zero is it's the okay right under 4080 over here I got you all right let's move on to the next one at uh uh 10 45 and I'll skip through faster later on but um yeah in any case uh this is yeah 10 45 okay anything different here that's a trick question it's a trick question I see something really yeah what do you see the 40 90s oh yeah right because gosh I didn't even see that yeah right because look at the the dots on the 4090s uh even though the 4100 stayed exactly the same which is actually a million of itself the 4100 started to add wow even though we auctioned lower there that's like a wow that's a very good catch thanks man yeah no yeah that's like yeah so because we're looking for that that's a that at that point where okay are we gonna make a higher low or are we going to continue downtrend but clearly someone or large number of people or piling into 490 calls because typically you know when you see spot price moving down um there's still a there's the money-ness relationship with like uh gamma right so like if you're moving away from a strike the gamma will naturally decrease because it's only highest for at the money contracts but in this case if you have enough people piling into those calls even as spot price is uh auctioning lower clearly there's a very large drive towards um those Deltas wow yeah that's that's a really really good point and it's something that you know I just want to emphasize it's that um and I'll pull this up because I pulled this up before or actually no this will be um I'll leave I'll leave everybody to go to the previous video in order to see this but um that's it's really important to say that gamma is the highest throughout the money options so I'm just reitering what you said but if spot price moves down then naturally all the gamma exposure of the lower strikes is going to be accentuated um even if the volume on those or the open interest on those stay is exactly the same so the fact that here the spot price came down there by accentuating the overall uh the the the extent of the bars on the put side and yet the 4090s still gained means that there was some serious serious volume hitting the 4090s not to mention that the 4100s aside from this one ten minute prior dot stayed relatively consistent over that time period um and I think that's something we should add to our guest spot I need to think about how to add that but that that's actually a really good um point there yeah no I mean always uh you have to you have to be paying attention it's uh yeah it's not it's not a it's not a tool for for for for the lazy um no it's not um all right cool so uh we see this we got a little skeptical we're like okay you know um and what was this 10 45 um I'm just gonna hop back over to price again uh all right 10 45 was right here um and then yeah it was a very significant low and then 11 A.M um and this is the last one I'll I'll get into before we actually get into the actual sort of more trending stuff but uh this is at 11AM I think this was probably the most revealing of the entire day to be honest uh because price was still at 40.76 and you can see not only were the 490s still around where we saw them last time but the 4100s despite the fact that spot is so far away has been away for a while look at where they are they're all they're right back yeah just blowing up in interest yeah um yeah that's why that's why I wanted to do today as the video for today because I just thought like it's a pretty example yeah yeah um okay so I'm gonna actually take this chart and put it um get it just to be half the screen over here and then we'll have this guy be the other half so that now we can start to see everything together um beautiful okay um so this is where we're looking at and let's switch over here to five minutes so we have a great uh did you do sorry guys okay here we go uh expand this access a little bit beautiful okay so now we're looking at um 11 which was right here um right before we got this big pump and um hold on one sec yeah well uh are you trying to show the the website uh chart oh I see it switched all um I can only see the uh yeah the aesthetic okay well yeah I guess I'll cut that out then um in any case okay let's let's keep going then um okay so uh looking at the price chart now we're looking at uh 11 A.M and so you see this pump starting to happen a stupid stupid question but where do you think it's gonna go well it's it's the simplest answer every time right like now I'm thinking okay well I'm just looking to go to Major gamma um which is 4100 that's where everyone wants to go that's probably where we're gonna head up as simple as that sounds all right so so buy the hell out of it close your eyes and then just uh yeah basically [Music] okay cool um all right now let's you know you guys know what the next couple hours are that's just you know rally so then let's look at the progression on guest spot as that happens um so we had this and then fast forward 15 minutes later yeah jeez and we haven't spot hasn't even moved that much we're only at 40 83 here 11 14. thank God so you had you had time to get in if you wanted to play to move up to 4100. uh it was definitely a this is probably your even though we're not technically your last chance but the easiest chance to enter for a breakout um just because I know that that that Trend up towards 4100 was still a pretty hard uh Trend to enter at least for you know trading Es at least it was a really grindy Trend yeah like that clear interest towards that level yeah and from I mean from an options Trader perspective um well actually yeah that's a longer video but yeah if you want to trade this with zero DTE options or something like that essentially you um you know you take some naked you enter you do get a surprise right you got terms of some naked calls to write the initial move and you sell some calls against it once you think that you know or it will be petering out but if you think the trend is going to continue and we're going to go to 4100 in fact you probably saw the 4100s let's be honest um and uh yeah also notable that Max change every single one except for the 10 minute is uh is the 4100 strike that's kind of fun yeah well it's also the 10 minute is the 40 50 puts dime right there their checks is increasing that's really the the put value um evaporating that's a really good point and that's what's adding fuel to the fire to get us to actually uh squeeze yeah all right fast forward um okay we can skip that very intense very intense uh tell me if you want me to stop I I don't know you know okay let's let's stop right here that seems this seems nice what time was this 12 44 12 no no let's do more let's look at the uh 130. um yeah [Music] uh this is this one 30 you know next one here we are 130. okay so we all know or most of us know anyway 130 important sort of pivot time for the market same as like same as like 12 30 for whatever reason um not not really what we're discussing here but okay what do you thinking now Jess now that you're seeing this also one side effect of like when we do hit major gamma is usually if if it's if there's such a clear interest very early on before we're even closer right you're thinking or I'm thinking that um there's so many call buyers most likely who are looking for the pump towards that level um if they're doing it early on usually that means that when we do get there people are going to start taking profits um and if there was so much interest uh early on when spot was nowhere near it then it becomes very very difficult as we approach it um to then exceed it because then you get this sort of Mucky effect of you know it's like it's like a magnet right where we try to get over it then people you know there aren't many calls finally hit in the money so they liquidate those and then we get you know pulled back down and then we sort of bounce between the two um but at the same time you know due to that that Trend up um it's highly unlikely at least in the underlying right if if you were trying to short on the way up um there's probably a short story tracks and so they're trying to cover every time price comes back down and so you just get this bounding effect around these major gamma levels um yeah yeah you kind of I was I was also about to say right it's we're just in the mock now right if you think about it according to our prior analogies of the volume profile um it's meth it's just so much transacted here each one of these different strikes I'm pointing at the screen now even though nobody can see me um each one of them has its own sort of magnetic effect right it's like it pushes us up from an if it's underneath spot pushes us down if it's above spot as it's decaying and so this whole thing it's like a giant magnetic field where um all the interactions are a little messed up and lucky um anyway that's how I see it yeah um all right so at this point in the day the thinking was all right I might as well go make another coffee go do something else read a book be done for the day something like that what's the point anymore um yeah let's you know moving forward same same same um you know what I'm just going to skip to the end of the day here uh we did technically there was a small move here like towards over here um uh it was this was the 3pm move um yeah it was like 34 30 35 on ES there was yeah a pop-up and then I believe someone was offering there yeah I mean they tried to uh write the 4105 ended up being the real center of our distribution so to speak and they tried to pop it up to 4107. uh this is SPX obviously and uh that that did not in accordance with our theory of mock that that was not well received mm-hmm um yeah because because we were mostly around this 4100 no this was the most powerful one and then 4105 was sort of the next one so if you think about it as like if you were to split the muck in half right literally halfway through the Monk Is 4107. um so you know back of the envelope Trader math right there but yeah it works all right uh last slide end of day uh what do we what are you thinking here foreign [Music] likely you know this is at the point where you know if you were long and you didn't take profit I mean obviously if you were in options hopefully you you already did if you were in the emini it's probably time to just close it and not bother you know looking for more and it's unlikely that we would you know try to short for like a wonderful break was possibly on the table um because the trendup wasn't like a very like we said earlier it wasn't like a normal Trend day right where you have a clear flows that are that are pushing uh price it was very grindy and so usually that's indicative of you know if we're able to break uh some prior pivot then you can get these waterfall effects um but you know at this point about 15 minutes before close it's not quite as likely without some serious um activity or serious selling activity going on so if you like let's say right because we're not um we're not necessarily interested in looking at the day in retrospective and being like Oh I would have traded it like this or I would have done that although you know to some extent we you know we have to do that in order to kind of explain the tool uh but uh sort of in light of that what would you have needed to see in order to have traded for a waterfall break to the downside I would it sounds I don't know how to put it it's fair to say I wouldn't do it you know like yeah there's no way there's no way yeah it would have to like I would have to be watching it happen and then by some I would unlikely be you know unless somehow shorter the top or something and then like was like doing some trailing stop business but I don't really like those in the first place anyway um but no no I I don't think that uh uh sorry I lost my train of thought no no that's fine I mean to be honest I agree with you because uh it would be one thing if we hit this point in gamma in in in gagspot and it was still 2 p.m right if it's still 2 p.m hey all those guys and calls there's a ton of stuff to get liquidated um up top right and then if we break underneath the 4100 oh they're kind of in trouble because they're on the wrong side of theta um but it's it's 345. there's 15 minutes left in the day and we're at 4 100. um so it's it's a bit of a different situation yeah yeah then then the odds are sort of increasing that you know as we're stuck here we're just gonna remain stuck here unless something some outside force comes in but at this point yeah it's it's too late really for some some other cascading effects that come into play all right awesome yeah and then you know just this is the last little bit of uh Market stuff but all right we bounced back up off surprise surprise just underneath 4100 497 on SPX boom bounce right up close at 4105 which was um obviously and this is now I'm on the website again because the website is showing you know the last uh gamma frame and you can also do all this fun zooming stuff and all this stuff but in any case you can see how insane the game exposure was for 4105 at the close and the reason for that is the 41 of fives are the closest to the money um and so the effect uh and and this with this we get into a different video which maybe will be made eventually with regards to pinning and pin slippage and all those things which is kind of fun but uh no surprise that we pinned here at 4105 on the dot for the close um yeah it's too much too too too too uh too intense a uh at a statement or fine no no yeah it's it's they're like uh like pools of matches of magnetism right like spot price gets stuck to them where it gets repelled away um those EOD effects are pretty pretty crazy though yeah I feel like people should just get you know if they if if just just for the joy of watching that is uh yeah [Music] um in any case uh that kind of concludes our analysis or like uh mini analysis of the day and we still have like five minutes left so I kind of wanted to ask you right for users of the tool whether they're users of the free part or the or the or the paid tool um what type of stuff are you guys looking to to keep building like what do you see in the future for the tool um yeah what's what's coming up yeah so our most short-term feature goal right now is to add a pure zero DT filter um you know right now we are including all expiries in our in our bot and you know with gamma due to how it falls off for later expirings this you know still kind of giving you mostly the same sense as if it was just a pure zero tte um but I think and this is something that that you've kind of taught me um looking at current day expirations of gex can often help uh kind of determine whether if it's likely we're getting a trend day right so if there's like put checks below us for the current day expiry then you know maybe I'll look for that um so that's one feature we want to do and then beyond that we're working on uh we're about done with our CRS integration so people can plot our levels directly to their charts and then after that I'll be doing our motive wave integration uh but in general we want to have a way for users to directly plot the levels um to their platform whether that's you know share charts motivewave maybe ninjatrader just because that added you know one of the biggest bonuses of a tool at least the live version is that um you know you're abstracting this data into this easily interpretable way and every little you know even if it's marginal every little increment towards making it easier to understand it and like you know whether that's being able to scale it or putting it directly on the chart that you're using to execute you know these all make these little differences um so they're those are usually our goals for our features and then in the medium term or long term you know we do want to add more tickers um the indexes like the cues so people can trade off those um and that's mostly it at least that's that's kind of on our current roadmap well I mean that's already kind of a lot to be honest a lot yeah yeah yeah yeah but it's it's good it's good um it's fun to make these for people I think um yeah it's fun it's fun to use them too um and I look forward to uh you know I do want to have spy on there at some point uh I'll be pushing for a couple different things we're getting to it yeah yeah all right the man's busy leave them alone uh yeah no thanks thanks for coming on this is like uh this is actually a perfect time to wrap up and I think you know hopefully this will help a lot of people understand uh how to use it how you see it um obviously how you see it's not necessarily the only way to use it but I think it's always nice to have a sense for what the intended purpose was kind of and then you know we can all feel free to misuse it as much as we want right yeah use it um yeah thank you for having me on it's been great foreign