[Music] the holonomic brain Theory uh is based on some insights that Dennis Gabor had he's the inventor of the Hologram and he obtained the Nobel Prize for his uh many contributions he was a mathematician and uh what he was trying to do is develop a better way way of making electron micrographs uh improve the resolution of electron micrographs and so uh for electron microscopy he suggested that instead of uh making a photograph essentially not with electron microscopes we make photographs of but using electrons instead of photons and he thought maybe instead of making ordinary photographs so what he would do is get the interference patterns now what is an interference pattern when when light strikes or when electrons strike any object uh they scatter mhm but the scatter is a funny kind of scatter uh it's a very well regulated scatter uh for instance if you defocus a lens on a camera so that you don't get the image falling on the image plane and you have a blur that blur essenti is a hologram oh because all you have to do is refocus refocus it so contained in the blur is the actual image that's right and but you don't see it as such and so one of the main principles of holonomic brain Theory which gets us into quantum mechanics also is that um there is a relationship here between what we ordinarily experience and some other process or some other order which David bone calls the implicate or unfolded order in which things are all distributed or spread and in fact uh the mathematical uh formulations are often called spread functions that Spread spread this out now what you're talking about here is the Deep structure of the universe in a way under the beneath the subatomic level virtually that's right of of matter itself or the these Quantum wave functions so to speak and they form interference patterns would would have a wrong saying it would be like dropping two stones in a pond the way the ripples overlap and is that like an interference that's certainly the way interference patterns are made you're suggesting that at that very deep level of reality something is operating in the brain itself well no okay uh in a way that's possible but that's not where the situation is at the moment okay all we know is that the mathematical descriptions that we make of let's say single cell processes and the the branches from the single cells and how they interact with the each other not only anatomically but actually functional interactions that uh when we map those we get a description that is very similar to the description of quantum events uhuh when you take into account that there are billions of these single cells right operating in the and the connections between them so there are even more there trillions of connections between them and they operate on the basic principles that have been found to also operate at Quantum level actually it was the other way around that the mathematics that Gabor used he borrowed from Heisenberg and Hilbert who developed them first in mathematics for Hilbert and then Heisenberg used it uh in quantum mechanics and then Gabor used it in psychophysics and we've used it in modeling how brain networks work so in in other words in the brain when we look at the electrical impulses traveling through the neurons and the patterns as as these billions of neurons interact you would say that that is analogous I suppose or isomorphic to the processes that are going on at the deeper Quantum level yes uh but we don't know that it's a deeper Quantum level I mean in the brain it's just it's uh anal may or may not be the case yeah analogous isn't quite the right word uh they they obey the same rules M they obey the same rules it's not just an analogy because the work that described these came independently of see an analogy would be that you take the quantum ideas and see how they fit to the brain the data we have on the brain and that's not the way it happened we got the brain data first and then we see uh look it fits the same mathematics so it the people who are gathering these data including myself weren't out to look for an an analogous process and I think it's a very important point because otherwise you could be biased and there are lots of different models that fit M how the brain works but this is more based on how the brain was found to work independent of these conceptions [Music]