[Music] Following the arrest of Jeffrey Epstein in July 2019, federal authorities seized hundreds, possibly thousands of sexually suggestive photographs of girls who appear underage, as well as handlabeled compact discs with titles like Girl Pics nude and with the names redacted. young name plus name. The New York Times wrote, "The pictures and videos were held in the safe at Epstein's New York mansion, which was the size of a closet." Business Insider quoted an FBI agent who said hard drives were also taken from the safe. The refusal by the Trump administration to release the files and videos amassed during investigations should put to rest the absurd idea embraced by Trump's supporters and some gullible liberals that Trump will dismantle the deep state. Trump is part of and has long been part of the repugnant cabal of politicians, Democrat and Republican, billionaires and celebrities who look at us and often underage girls and boys as commodities to exploit for profit or pleasure. The list of those who were in Epstein's orbit is a who's who of the rich and famous. They include not only Trump but Bill Clinton who allegedly took a trip to Thailand with Epstein, Prince Andrew, Bill Gates, hedge fund billionaire Glenn Dubin, former New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson, former Secretary of the Treasury and former president of Harvard Larry Summers, cognitive psychologist and author Steven Pinker, Alan Dersitz, billionaire and Victoria's Secret CEO Leslie Wexner, The former Barkclays banker Jess Staley, former Israeli Prime Minister Aud Barack, the magician David Copperffield, actor Kevin Spacy, former CIA director William Burns, real estate mogul Mort Zuckerman, former Maine Senator George Mitchell, and disgraced producer Harvey Weinstein. All of whom reveled in Epstein's perpetual bachanelia. They also include law firms and high-priced attorneys, federal and state prosecutors, private investigators, personal assistants, publicists, servants, and drivers. They include the numerous procurers and pimps, including Epstein's girlfriend and daughter of Robert Maxwell, Galileain Maxwell. They include the media and politicians who ruthlessly discredited and silenced the victims and strongarmed anyone, including a handful of intrepid reporters seeking to expose Epstein's crimes and circle of accompllices. There is a lot that remains hidden, but there are some things we know. Epstein installed hidden cameras in his opulent residences and his private Caribbean island, Little St. James to capture his highpowered friends engaging in sexual romps and abuse of teenage and under underage girls and boys. The recordings were blackmail gold. Were they part of an intelligence operation on behalf of the Israeli Mossad or were they used to ensure that Epstein had a steady source of investors who funneled him millions of dollars to avoid being outed? Or were they used for both? He shuttled underage girls between New York and Palm Beach on his private jet, the Lolita Express, which was allegedly outfitted with a bed for group sex. His codery of famous friends, including Clinton and Trump, are recorded as traveling on the jet numerous times. Joining me to discuss the Epstein case is the journalist Nick Bryant, who un uploaded Epstein's black book on the internet in 2015, which contain the names and private phone numbers of a host of powerful and wealthy patrons. He also uploaded Epstein's flight logs from Epstein's plane, which also contains the names of numerous perpetrators. It is probably fair to say that Nick has single-handedly released more information about the Epstein case than any other individual including the attorney general Bam Bondi. Uh let's begin with uh which I mentioned in the introduction what we know they have. It is quite voluminous. Well, as you said, Epstein's safe was drilled the day after he was arrested, and there was a huge cache of child abuse material that was taken out of his safe. And I think that there were other items. I've been told that there was blackmail evidence also in in the safe. So, I think that in addition to a huge cache of child abuse material, there was there was also blackmail material. and the FBI the day after Epstein was arrested and I believe the dark apparatus that app deploys people like Epstein, they made sure that that safe was cleaned out real quickly and that's where we get into problems with what the Trump administration is saying and and Pam Bondi on February 26 she proclaimed that the Epstein files were on her on her desk and that She was going to open it up and every there would be full transparency. And then she served us a nothing sandwich. There were no new revelations. And like you said, I put more incriminating information about Epstein and his network on the internet in 2015 than she did in 2025. And I saw the black book. She included the black book that I put up on the internet. And everything was redacted. all the names. We just redacted numbers. And then there's lots of victims in the black book, too. Well over a hundred. And we redacted their last name and we we redacted their numbers. So Pam Bondi said that she was going to go for full transparency and then she served us a a nothing sandwich. And here's what she said is that she had been been bamboozled by the FBI's New York field office. So, she was either inept or lying. And I'm a generous person, so I'm I'm just going to go with inept. And then she said that there was a truckload of evidence on the Epstein case. and she said only matters of national security would be redacted. So now she has to tell us what a bunch of child molesters have to do with national security. So she keeps digging herself deeper and deeper into the hole. And she acted like that truckload of evidence had never been seen before by anyone. And I'm willing to wager everything that I have that that child abuse material and everything in Epstein Safe was being looked at that day and the next day. And there were probably some analysts that didn't even sleep because they wanted to know exactly what was in Epstein safe. So for her to come out and say that they're looking at it now, un unbelievably disingenuous. And her crescendo of macity was the memo. And no one signed that memo that came out last week. Trump didn't sign it. Bonnie didn't sign it. Patel didn't sign it. No one wanted to sign that memo to be held accountable. And there are a couple of things about that memo that I agree with. I believe that there were more than 300 gigabytes of child abuse material taken out of Epstein's safe. I also believe that there were well over a thousand victims because Jeffrey Epstein trafficked girls for 25 years. And then the things that I strongly disagree with are that he did this by himself and that there wasn't blackmail involved. And if he did this by himself, why is Gain Maxwell in prison? And what was he was he going to the island with just some friends occasionally? And why are all these girls listed on the flight logs? It it is so disingenuous and I think that the Trump administration really underestimated the intelligence of Americans and also their knowledge of this case. because when they first released those documents, they must have felt that that would satiate people's curiosity to understand the Epstein case and it and it did not. And then there was a huge blowback. So, well, there was there was nothing in those documents that hadn't already been released. Is that correct? Nothing new. No new revelations whatsoever. As I said, I released more revelations in 2015 than he did that than she did in 2025. Do do you believe that there is a client list? I believe that there are files. I I don't believe that it was like the Jeffrey Epstein travel agency and he kept a list of his clients on his refrigerator with a magnet. I I don't believe that. But I believe that there was there's definitely a tremendous amount of documentation and also video evidence that there are Epstein files and if the government really came clean with the Epstein files and what's on the 300 gigabytes, I think that we would really find out who the perpetrators are, who Epstein's co-conspirators are. Although we do know a number of them already, but we actually we have definitive proof. Let's talk a little about what we do know. Uh and I want you to talk about the affidavit that was uh about the woman under a pseudonym in California that was leveled against Trump. Uh but from what you released uh from what we know, we do have some sense of what these video records may reveal. Can you talk about that? Now, let's begin with just the Trump case with I when I put the black book up on the internet, the black book was ultimately perlined by Alfredo Rodriguez who was Ebstein's house manager and he tried to sell it to one of the attorneys that was launching civil suits at Epstein and the attorney called the FBI and the FBI did a sting and impounded the black boy. And then I ultimately came by the black book through one of the attorneys. And Alfredo Rodriguez had circled a number of names in the black book of people that he thought were in cahoots with Trump. And then there was Virginia with Trump or you mean with Epste? With Epstein and with And then we also had the the lawsuit documentation of Virginia Guofree. Maxwell sued her for defamation and she counters sued and Virginia named a number of her perpetrators in a lawsuit. And this is where we can get double corroboration. For example, uh Alfredo Rodriguez circled Gla Maxwell who was definitely a perpetrator and a pimp. And Gurey named her as a perpetrator and a pimp. Alfredo Rodriguez circled Dude Barack, the former prime minister of Israel, and Virginia Gurey named him as a perpetrator and uh a rather nasty character. Less Wexner's name is circled by Rodriguez and Virginia Guffrey named him as a perpetrator. Alan Dersawitz's name is circled and Virginia Guffrey named him as a perpetrator and Bill Richardson's name is circled and Guffrey named him as a perpetrator. is the former New Mexico max governor and he was also the uh Clinton's energies are and Jean Lu Brunell's name is circled and he and Epstein put together started a modeling agent agency called MC squared and Brunell's let me just just let me interrupt uh Nick because it was copied on Trump's modeling agency. Yes. Yes. And that agency, Jean Luke Brunell, was buying girls in Eastern Europe, not not renting them, but actually buying them. And he was bringing them into the United States. And according to Virginia Grey's affidavit that she swore in 2015, Epstein and Brunell had some kind of connection with the State Department or some mechanism in the government where they were able to get either visas or uh passports for these girls who some of them were well Virginia says they're as young as 12 and there's another report that they're 11 and 12. But then I know other people that I know therapists who have consult Epstein victims and we can get into that later. And actually a lot of those victims were or a number of those victims were under the age of 10. Donald's Trump name, Donald Trump's name is also circled, but I haven't found any corroboration that he was a pedophilic perpetrator. There was a case launched by uh Katie Johnson who's in California and she said that she had been abused by Trump and Epstein and there was an accompanying affidavit that by a woman named Tiffany Doe who said that she recruited her but it's very difficult to know what exactly went on there because she was she I guess was threatened and Lisa Bloom represented her and from what I've been told she was deposited in a hotel and this is when Trump and Hillary were in the homestretch and she was deposited in a hotel and then Lisa Bloom picked her up the next morning and said we're going to go to a press conference and she wasn't ready for that. Now that's what I've been told. Now Nick, she was 13. She was searching Katie. Katie Johnson is a pseudonym. Um, in in the affidavit, she said that uh apparently Trump liked to watch Epstein's orgies while he got a hand job. That he complained about the oral sex uh given to him by apparently this 13-year-old and a 12-year-old. Is that right? Uh there were actually there was a young girl named Maria and I don't think we ever found out her age but she would have been around 12 or 13. Here's the problem with that. I spent three years looking for Katie Johnson and I ultimately found her and I've sent her some emails. I I found her about a year and a half ago and I sent her some emails and she will not respond to me and she's put together a decent life for herself. She's selling real estate in the Southwest. She's got a boyfriend. I I was you can see her her how her life's unfolded on uh Facebook and she goes to Europe with her boyfriend occasionally. So, she's put together a really comfortable life for herself and she doesn't want to talk to anybody about it. And but what what didn't she get a Isn't I don't know to which point this is alleged, but wasn't she paid off? We don't know. I mean, the it's it's it was more the threats that Okay. It was the threats and then the press conference that really decided that when she decided that she was going to recant everything that she said. Unfortunately, because of how she was how she was handled, um it's it's very difficult to know exactly what went on. And and that's why I looked for her for three years is I I really wanted to know her story, but I I just she wouldn't get back to me. So, I don't know what to make of that of the affidavit. All right. The the charge is out there. Yes. Um and but let's talk a little bit about what we do know about Dersuitz, for instance, who makes these claims that he uh only traveled on the Lolita Express with his wife. You know, the flight logs is exposing that to be untrue. Uh but what what do we kn do know about what happened what these powerful men uh did uh within you know this Epstein orbit? Well, Dersowitz is long been a misogynist for sure. And what happened with Durowitz is Virginia Gofrey submitted an affidavit and said that she had been molested by him up to approximately six times. And then Durowitz went on an offensive against her two attorneys, Brad Edwards and Paul Cassell. And Cassell had been a former former federal judge. And Dersowitz was pounding on his chest saying, "I'm going to get their licenses to practice law. I'm going to make sure that they never practice log in. I only fly with my wife. She flies everywhere with me. Well, then I got the flight logs and actually Dersuitz is taking lots of flights with girls like Tatiana and Claire. And his wife is noticeably absent from from those flight logs. And in the Gawker article I wrote, he was asked, "What about this girl? What about that girl?" And his steel trap mind became rather rusty because he couldn't remember those girls. And and actually the when I we asked him what the third there was another of a third girl that was her last name was unknown and he decided to diffuse it with humor. He said that could have been my mother. So with Durowitz and he he's lobbied for the age of consent to be 14 regardless of the someone's partner and which is pretty pretty horrible and uh but he he believes in that and I think that there's somewhere where he's written that child pornography should be illegal or legal or child abuse material should be legal. So Alan Dersowitz doesn't seem to be a uh ethical bellweather and his long friendship with Jeffrey Ebstein demonstrates that they were very very close. And there was a Vanity Fair article about Dersowitz in I believe 200 or about Epstein in 2001 and Durowitz is extolling the virtues of Jeffrey Epstein and he says and then he gets really quaint at the end. He goes, "If Jeffrey Ebstein didn't have any money, I would still eat hot dogs with him at Coney Island." So, well, let's talk about Trump because Trump had a 15-year relationship with Epstein. Uh, I mean, according to Trump's biographer, they were very close for a long time. According to Michael Wolf, yes, they were very close. And we don't really know what caused the chasm. Michael Wolf says it was a a real estate deal that went arry. Other people say that it was but Epstein was trying to procure underage girls at Marila Lago. So it's hard to know what caused that divide but yes they were very very good friends. I just Nick I mean Wolf claims that they shared women and Wolf also claims that he saw pictures of topless underage girls on Trump's lap too. So these are the things that Michael Wolf has said and he's got uh a lot of recordings but he hasn't made them public. So it's going to be interesting. And what I find to be when I had the black book in 2012, no one wanted to touch it. No one. And I went to every public publication in New York City and I was talking to editors and publishers and and no one wanted to touch it. And then when we published it in 2015, I mean the floods gate floodgates opened and there have been tons of ink dumped on stories about the black book since then. Now Wolf is saying that he has all these recordings, but no one in the mainstream media is willing to touch it, which you think at this point someone in the mainstream media would go for it. So that's a little perplexing to me. But I also know that I've been writing in this about this realm for 22 years and the mainstream media gets very very tenuous when these types of subjects are brought up. Well, let me tell you why. Because the people who run these organizations uh circulate in in among these groups. These are their friends. These are that's how stories got killed at the New York Times. uh you you know the the real estate developers who were all socializing with uh Soulsberger the when I was the publisher there when he was the publisher when I was there uh complained about Sydney Shamberg's writing about their uh you know evicting people and destroying rent stabilizer and Sydney got fired. I mean, so we have to be clear that that that that they come the reason the media is uh has been so reticent about reporting on any of this is because uh they're this is their social circle and according to a number of things that I read six corporations own 90% of the media in in our country and how hard would it be to I And because I've been at this for a long time, it's very easy to compromise people. Um, nothing makes there's three things that make people really stupid. One is greed, one is arrogance, and one is sex. And a number of our politicians and a number of our captains of industry have those three in spades. So, how hard would it be to compromise someone at the top of one of these mega corporations? And then there's also the Sherman Antirust Act. These Titanic media conglomerates could be broken up within a week or if we really wanted to use the Sherman Antitrust Act because they are what the Sherman Antitrust Act was actually conceived for. And the government refuses to break up these Titanic conglomerates. So I have a tendency to think that there might be some kind of symbiosis there where the government and the media agree on certain things and not to cover certain things. I'm sure that you saw that at the New York Times, especially with the war in Iraq. Yeah. Le let's talk about what we know. describe for me the world around Epstein and uh how it worked and uh what to the extent we know Epstein did. We know he had cameras all over the place. I think there was a report of somebody walking to a room in his uh New York mansion. It was just filled with video monitors from every room in the mansion. But talk describe to us how that world worked and what these powerful figures Clinton and others did within it. Well, we got to go back to the Palm Beach Police Department. There was a 14-year-old girl that told her stepmother that she'd been molested by Jeffrey Ebstein and the 14-year-old girl took her to the Palm Beach Police Department and she told the Palm Beach Police Department. And the Palm Beach Police Department really didn't know much about Epstein. They just thought that he was a multi-millionaire philanthropic type. They didn't they didn't have a beat on him at all. And the girl described the interior of his home and also described his anatomy. And that was enough for them to start launching investigation. And there was a girl named Haley Robson who was who had recruited this girl and then she was plundering various high schools for other underage girls. and she had been used by Epstein when she was a minor, too. And Epstein would give her $200 or $300 for every victim that she recruited. The Palm Beach Police Department ultimately found 23 victims of Jeffrey Epstein, and they had the statements of five, but then they had corroborating statements of 17 people. So they were going to arrest Jeffrey Epstein on five counts of unlawful sexual activity with a minor and one count of lewd and lascivious molestation which could have put Jeffrey Epstein in prison for the rest of his life on just those counts. But then they knew of 17 other underage victims and that case got taken away from them and it was given to a grand jury in Florida. And I don't know if your audience is familiar with how grand juries work, but a special prosecutor is chosen to oversee a grand jury. And it's not adversarial. Grand jurors are just citizens that have shown up for jury duty and they've been funneled into a grand jury. and the special prosecutor shows them the evidence that he deems or she deems is important and calls the witnesses that he or she deems is important. And there was a New York Supreme Court judge who said that special prosecutors have so much power over grand jurors that they could get them to indict a ham sandwich. So what happened with that Ebstein case was there were only two victims that were called. Um, one had been 14 when she was molested by Epstein and now she was 16 and one had been 16 when she was molested by Epstein multiple times and now she was 18. And they were skewered by this special prosecutor. Just skewered. And that grand jury didn't indict Jeffrey Epstein on a single count of child abuse. And what's very strange is it indicted him on a one count of adult pandering when the only two victims that testified were had been minors. So that and I've got the transcripts of actually that grand jury and people can go to my website uh epstejjustice.com or the website that uh I'm the director of uh a 501c3 called epste justice and I I show how just how ridiculous that the grand jurors and the uh special prosecutor are are calling these girls prostitutes. No, I mean the poor girl was molested when she was 14 and it really scarred her. And and that's what people don't understand is if you get molested when you're 14, it can scar you for the rest of your life. I mean, it can really be damaging, very damn it can be damaging. So, Michael Ryder, who was the chief of the Palm Beach Police Department, he is the real hero in this story. He would not back down. I mean, and he took lots of threats and there was a lot of pressure put on him, but he's a good guy and he's an honest guy and he's an ethical guy. He wouldn't back down. And then he went to the Department of Justice and said he called that grand jury the greatest miscarriage of justice in in modern times. and he went to the uh Department of Justice and Alexander Aosta was the US attorney for the District of Southern Florida at that time. And Alexander Aosta and the Department of Justice acted like they were going to impanel a grand jury, but then there was radio silence. And what they were doing was working out a deal with Epstein and his dream team of lawyers which included Alan Dersowitz and Ken Starr that was so profidious that it's kind of mindboggling and I'll get into it. So they worked out a nonprosecution agreement with Jeffrey Epstein and then they sealed it. Now there's a law called the uh victim's right uh victim crime right act and according to that law when you victims of of crimes get to follow the adjudication of their perpetrator and actually get to confront their perpetrator. But the Department of Justice bypassed all of that and sealed that agreement and the judge and then it was appealed and the judge in Florida uh Judge Mea ultimately wanted to unseal it but then but then the feds appealed his decision and it was decided in the 11th uh circuit and the 11th Circuit said this should be unsealed. these documents should be unsealed. And and it was a it's a treasure trove. I' I've got like emails between um assistant US attorney Amarie Vilifana and Jay Lefgoitz who's one of Epstein's attorney and the deal that they put together was so dirty. Amarie Vilifana in an email says to Jay Lefkowitz, we have to get there's one magistrate that that will sign off on this and we have to go before him. So they they eventually got their magistrate. But what happened with that deal is not only were the victims given they weren't given any kind of say into what happened to Jeffrey Epstein, but that document gave blanket immunity to all of Jeffrey Epstein's co-conspirators. Blanket immunity. Everyone. But But did they did they they didn't name them, did they? They they named they named a number of them. Yeah. Four that were named and then others who were unnamed. Is that correct? So there yes there were four that were named but then but it it's it's very definitive. It gave blanket immunity to everybody anybody that was associated with Jeffrey Epstein. So after that, Epstein was required, the the feds made a deal with the state and Epstein was supposed to get 18 months and then he served 13 and he would go out during the day and he would actually molest underage girls while he was He only had to be you only had to be in the cell at night. At night. Yes. So he would molest underage girls when he was ostensibly incarcerated. And that deal is so dirty. And then Alexander Aosta was getting vetted by the the Trump administ. He was a US attorney for the Southern District. He was getting vetted by the Trump administration as labor secretary. And he was asked, "Why did you go so light on Ebstein?" And he said, "I was told that Jeffrey Ebstein was intelligence and I had to stand down. It was above my pay grade." And now there's only and and I looked into this and I've talked to various legal scholars. There's only two people in the government that can tell a US attorney to stand out. One is the attorney general and one is the president. And this was in 2007. So the attorney general was Alberto Gonzalez and the president was George Bush 2. And I can't imagine that an attorney general is going to tell a US attorney to cover up a nationwide pedophile network without getting the okay from his boss, the president. He's not going to go out on a limb like that. So the Epstein case was covered up at the very apex of the Bush 2 administration. And then the Obama administration continued to cover up in the Biden administration and also the uh the Trump administration. Let's talk a little bit about how it worked. I mean just uh he had his private island. Uh he had a huge uh opulent mansion in New York. He had a large ranch. I think it was in New Mexico. He had his Florida residents. Uh he would host these dinners with uh you know opulent dinners. No. And and by the way, nobody could quite none of us really understand why he got all the money he did. He got quite a bit of money from Wexter um from Victoria's Secret. There's been of course allegations that he had a homosexual relationship with Wexter. I don't know. uh but he himself uh didn't seem to do much. He I don't think he ever finished college, right? He was a college dropout or something. Uh and but he amassed you know millions upon millions from this wealthy clientele. Uh but just talk a little bit how worked uh you know with the island with the uh people visiting him just the logistics of it. When I wrote a book called The Franklin Scandal, and the Epstein scandal is very much a carbon copy of the Franklin Scandal in in many ways. It was about a nationwide pedophile network that was covered up. And there isn't any books about stuff like this. Well, now there is. There's the Franklin scandal, but I was trying to wrap my head around this whole thing. I mean, I a nationwide network uh trafficking all these children, blackmail intelligence. It it has all the stuff that Epstein has. And I eventually got a blackmail photographer to talk and he was very honest with me at certain points and then he became rather unuous uh later, but I believe that he was telling me the truth early on for the most part. But he told me, I said, I said, "How does this work?" And he said, "Well, once you're compromised, it's like you're on a yacht. It's a beautiful yacht and it's a beautiful day and you can have anything you want on that yacht. But if you decide to get off that yacht, the people on the yacht are going to make sure that you drown. And there's zero incentive once someone is compromised. There's zero incentive for them to get off the yacht." and actually being compromised is going to help their career. Dennis Hastard is a perfect example. He had been a pedarass going back 30 or 40 years and his ascent in the House of Representatives was meteoric and he was the uh speaker of the house for seven years even though he had this very dark background. And according to Sabel Edmonds, the FBI, she's a FBI whistleblower. The FBI was aware of Dennis Hastard's shadow life when he was speaker of the house. So that was obviously a situation where they were told to stand down like Alexander Aosta was told to stand down and because he was compromised. He was if you're if you're compromised you're controlled. This is what Hoover at the FBI did. He had files on everyone uh and he used those files to maintain his own power. And I think that there's a dark malignant corner of our intelligence. I hate to call it the CIA, but it might be some dark malignant corner of the CIA that that compromises people. And compromat is not something that's new. And our media refuses to talk about it, which I find kind of mindboggling because it's so obvious. There was a uh Tennessee representative, US representative named Tim Burchette uh came out about a year and a half ago and said, "My colleagues are being compromised in honey traps." And actually I had dinner with him about three well about four months ago and I was just amazed that a city congressman, US congressman would come out and say that my colleagues are being compromised. And um I I was I was amazed by that type of integrity because I've I've known it for quite some time. But compromat is as old as our republic. And there was Alexander Hamilton was having an affair with a a 23-year-old and she was married and her husband was blackmailing Alexander Hamilton. And there was a muckreking journalist that came across the story and outed Alexander Hamilton as having this affair. And Jefferson and Hamilton had a lot of antipathy towards each other. So this muckreaking journalist felt that he would get some kind of position in Jefferson's administration. And when Jefferson refused, he wrote a story about Jefferson having sex with one of his slaves, Sally Hemings. And and DNA has shown that there's definitely that there was a relationship between Sally Hemings and um and Thomas Jefferson. So when we're talking about compat, we're we're we're talking about it was it's been going on forever, but but it was certainly at the heart of u our our our republic. And then there's one example that I really like to to use as far as being compromised. Uh Larry Craig was in Washington DC for 25 years and he was a very conservative anti-gay family values guy. And actually I think he had the worst record of voting for gay rights in in the Senate. And I wrote a book called Confessions of a DC Madam: The Politics of Sex Lies and Blackmail. And I wrote it with a guy who wrote who ran the largest escort service in Washington DC. and he was giving sending escorts to Craig all the time. And then there was a documentary called Outrage. It was made by an eminent documentary maker, Kirby Dick, and he looked at closeted politicians and how they vote against gay rights. And and Craig came up in that movie. And there were Kirby interviewed a number of people that escorts that had had liaison with Craig and that weren't involved with Henry Vincent. So Craig was in Washington DC for 25 years as a as a hardcore conservative getting escorts from all over. And what happened to him? He was in a bathroom in Minneapolis and there's, I guess, like a a signaling system for gay people in bathrooms where one slaps his foot against the ground and then the other one realizes that he's hot to trot. And so that happened to Craig. He got arrested in a airport in Minneapolis for soliciting a vice squad cop. Now, so here's a US senator that's trying to pick people up in bathrooms. How hard would it be to compromise that guy? I mean, a kid for extra credit with a smartphone could compromise Larry Craig. And I'm from Minneapolis and I go back to Minneapolis about once a year. And I was sitting on a commode in a in a bathroom and there was a guy in the stall next to me and he was slapping his foot on the ground. I mean really hard and I thought to myself he had some kind of neurological disorder and but I'm just glad I was about to say can I help you and I'm just glad that I I didn't say that. So when we talk about blackmail we've got multiple examples of blackmail. Um so who who's blackmail? Who is it? Who? So, you know, if these people are compromised, I know it's speculation. I mean, there you know uh uh Gileain Maxwell's father very close ties with Mossad, Robert Maxwell, Ahood Barack, I think he what is he recorded 36 times visiting Epstein. uh you know to the extent that who's blackmailing who how is it working. So over the years I've talked to people about compromat and blackmailing and from what I understand the three countries that are the bellweathers of blackmail are the United States, Israel and uh the UK. One would think that Russia would be in that mix. I mean because pretty high up there. Ask anybody who served as a diplomat in Moscow. Absolutely. And one would think that Russia would be in that mix, too. But the people that I've talked to about it have said that those are the top three, US, Israel, and uh and the UK. So, blackmail has been integral to our political system. And with the Franklin scandal, with Confessions of a DC madam with Ebstein, there was a CIA asset who when I wrote Confessions of a DC madam, there was a CI asset and we were able to show that he was a CI asset who was getting gay escorts from Henry Vincent. He was sp and and we're talking mid 80s. He was spending up to $25,000 a month on gay escorts. and his home was wired for audiovisisual blackmail and he was definitely a CI asset with Ebstein. People say, "Was he working for the MSAD?" And my reply on that is generally Epstein very well might have been working with the MSAD. But I can't imagine the CIA letting the MSAD compromise American politicians on American soil without getting a cut of that intelligence. And when I think of the MSAD and I think of the CIA, I kind of think of the Genovves crime family and the Gambino crime family that they're always working together. And I think what we have with these intelligence services is very large crime families. Although there are people in these intelligence services that know nothing about the darker side. I I I should say that I I have met people in the CIA that or who have worked for the CIA that I think are pretty decent and they it's so compartmentalized there that although one of them had gone to a pretty high level he was not aware of like MK Ultra he he he was not aware of that at all. So let's let's talk let's talk before we close here about what all this means why it's important. Uh it has of course created divisions within the MAGA base who feel betrayed. Uh why why is this important and and what's going to happen next? Uh you know there were reports once that Ronald Reagan was the from his time in Hollywood there was a video of him I don't know having a sexual romp which the Reagan administration managed to quite effectively destroy. That may be rumor. I can't remember where I read it but but let's talk about what all this means. What this means is that with our some dark malignant corner of our intelligence and we know about the CIA fermenting coups and releasing mosquitoes with deni fever over Cuba. I mean the CIA has done a lot of nasty things to a lot of different countries. We've impo like pinch the Shaw um Suarto. I mean, the CIA had their hand in all of that and those guys were pretty uh genocidal, especially Suartto, but and Americans have come to accept that and we've been lied to a lot. Um I think we were lied to about the genesis of COVID. I I do believe that it came out of that Wuhan lab and actually there have been a number of scientists that have said that it did and the government has more or less conceded that. We were lied to about that. No one no heads rolled. We were lied to about the financial meltdown. Uh, no heads rolled. And we were lied to about the Iraq war. Blatant lies. That that actually could have been exposed in real time, but no heads rolled. This is different. Let's be clear, Nick. Those few of us who tried Yes. had rather ruthlessly pushed aside to put it mildly. It didn't work out very well for you when you tried to tell the truth about Iraq. But molesting children, that's something completely different. Molesting American children, that's something that's completely different. And and I think that Americans have learned a lot about malfeasants from the CIA over the years, but this is something that just is very troubling. And I just think that Americans, they can eat a lot of lies, but about child sexual abuse and the government's involvement, they cannot eat that lie. Because when you when you cover up a crime, you're aiding and betting that crime. So, in the very least, our government is aiding and betting child trafficking. And if you look at the numbers of the abuse that happens in the United States, um I'm using Centers for disease control numbers, um according to the CDC, 25% of underage girls and 5% of underage boys have been molested. And people in the field think it's slightly conservative for underage boys or for underage girls and way too conservative for underage boys. But if you just go with the CDC numbers, you've got over 50 million Americans that have been molested when they were underage. And um and the Department of Health and Human Services commissioned a study and that study found that uh between 240,000 and 325,000 women and children are trafficked in the United States every year. And this is where it gets kind of mind-blowing is if we just go with 240,000, if we go with the lowest number um of the department Department of Health and Human Services report, there's a federal human trafficking report that comes out every year and in 2023, which is the la the latest one, it found that 664 individuals in the United States had been charged with child trafficking and there's millions of hours of child abuse material that infests the internet. And last year there were 1,375 individuals that were convicted for making child abuse material and disseminating it. So, you've got millions of Americans that have been molested, that have been trafficked, and this is something that people can identify with because it's so ubiquitous in our society. One in four girls have been molested when they were underage. So, this is something that regardless of what the CIA has done in the past or intelligence has done in the past, this is something that can't be overlooked. And Trump said that he was going to be transparent about this. And that memo that they released last week is, I mean, completely fabricated, completely fabricated. And I mean, there are some mega people that will drink the Kool-Aid, but there's a lot of good people that believed in Trump and they cannot abide by that document. They cannot sign off on on those lies and that document because that document is saying that all these victims of Jeffrey Ebstein, all of them or or most of them when they say that they were abused by other people are lying. And the victim, the Epstein victim's compensation fund was established to give settlements to women that had been trafficked and molested by Jeffrey Epstein. 225 women have applied and 150 settlements have been awarded and 12 people and 12 women have declined settlements because if you get and and David Boy is one of the architects of the victim compensation program and he's a very he's a dirty I believe he's he's a very dirty lawyer but anyway he oversaw this and he represent a number of these victims but if you get a settlement from that fund or that program, you've got to sign an NDA and you cannot name any other of your perpetrators. So, that's another example of if these girls didn't have other perpetrators, why why did they have to sign an NDA where they can't name additional perpetrators? And this is where it gets really ominous. Um, well, I mean, the whole thing is ominous, but it even gets more ominous. I uh I've been involved in I've been an activist with anti-child trafficking for for a number of years. As soon as I realized how endemic it was. I and I've the National Center on Sexual Exploitation has like a global summit every year and I've spoken at three of those and I've spoken at a number of conferences and over the years I've gotten to know a lot of therapists, psychologist, psychiatrists that work with uh victims of sexual abuse. And one of them is an eminent psychologist. Everyone in that field would know her name. And she had a client who described the interior of Epstein's home. And a number of things about Epstein that she possibly couldn't have known unless she was there. But she was trafficked by Epstein when she was under 10 years old. and she the psychologist tried to get her uh compensation from that fund and the fund wouldn't give it to her. And that happened with another therapist that I know who believes that she is counseling or has a client of someone who was trafficked by Epstein when she was under 10 years old. And that's another really really egregious side of the media is the media has decided that the youngest victim is 14, which is really bad, but they're not going to report on victims under the age of 14. And Virginia Guys said that these pedophilic orgies definitely had girls that were 12. And let's and let's be let's mention that she committed suicide. I think her father claims, but anyway, she committed suicide. I just want to close with Epstein's death. Um, we don't have any footage despite what uh has been said there. The cameras were not working in his cell block, so we don't know what happened. Uh, the former New York medical examiner who was hired by his brother uh and over oversaw the autopsy claimed that his injuries were uh consistent with a homicide. Uh let's just close with that uh that uh what happened to Epstein himself. Well, I mean there were a lot of anomalies that night where cameras weren't working and you know the department of uh or the Bureau of Prisons took a lot of heat for that. And if they had cogent video of that night in Epstein's cell, they would have released it at that point. What was released by the Trump administration was was was a joke. I mean, even if it wasn't edited, it was still a joke. And um Well, it wasn't it wasn't anywhere near his cell. No. Right. No, it was that But but here's the thing about that. I've been approached by various news outlets to talk about Jeffrey Epstein's death and and I generally declined because that's something that you can go around in circles with. Yeah. What I want with Jeffrey Epstein is I want justice for the victims and I want the government to come clean. And I started a organization of 501c3 called Ebstein Justice. And your audience can go to epstejjustice.com. And we have webinars every month and we provide people with the tools that they can use to start push putting pressure on their legislators. And there was a uh let me see if I can find it here. There was a uh a motion uh house resolution 3633 that was offered by Representative Kanye that require the attorney general preserve and release any records related to Jeffrey Epstein. Representative Fishbach voted no. Representative Norman voted yes. Representative Hutchin voted no. Uh, Representative Langworthy voted no. Representative Austin Scott voted no. Representative Griffith voted no. Uh, Representative Austin Jack voted no. And then the chairperson uh uh Representative Fox voted no. So they qu it was defeated by it was it was a seven to five defeat. So these are we can name these representatives. these representatives are trying to impede uh our knowledge of Jeffrey Epstein and we're going to address those representatives and actually with our in our next uh webinar which is on July 22nd we're going to show how these representatives have impeded. We got to we got to start calling people out individually. What about Gileain Maxwell? She's serving a 20-year sentence. Uh she must know a lot. Uh but she hasn't spoken. Well, she built the machine or certainly helped build the machine that destroyed a lot of girls. We're getting mixed messages from what's happening with Glenn Maxwell. I mean, for her to only be sentenced to 20 years is a joke because child trafficking is a heavy sentence in the federal system. It's 15 years to life. And Glaine Maxwell was guilty of multiple counts of child driving, but she was only indicted on one. And she was given 20 years, but she was indicted on two conspiracies. And no one else was indicted. I mean, that just shows you how scurry this whole thing is. And she was moved in. If if you're an exemplary inmate and you're getting pretty close to the end of your sentence, you're often moved into a dormatory style living, which is very easy, much easier than the the bars and the cells. And u she was moved into dormatory living very very quickly. So, she's been treated about as cush as a prisoner can possibly be treated and she knows a lot. I believe that she was told to keep her mouth shut and eat some time and that and then she'll be taken care of or be able to keep all the money. And with the Franklin scandal, you had one of the pimps kept his mouth shut, bit about 10 years for crimes that weren't related to child abuse, and then he had a no-show job waiting for him in uh Alexander, Virginia at a BMW dealership. And the other one committed suicide. And I think the other one, now it's speculated, his name was Craig Spence. speculated on the internet that he was suicided. I have a tendency to think that Craig Spence was given a deal that he he could either kill himself or else the dark malignant corner of intelligence that he worked for and compromised people with would kill him. I think I think that he was given that alternative and because he was a guy that was too used to creature comforts and and living the high life. And I think Epstein was too. I think Epstein was um he I I don't think he would have gone gently into that good night, which would definitely have been a motive to kill him. And and we should be clear that according to Wolf anyway, Trump was considering giving Gileain Maxwell a pardon. According to Wolf, I haven't seen any information other than what's come up from Michael Wolf about that. Uh what's interesting about Maxwell's uh adjudication is that it's been brought to the Supreme Court. She's been uh denied on at every appellet level and the Department of Justice has put her case on suspension twice. So, we have no idea what's going on there. Whether the Department of Justice is building a bigger case for her against her, although it's really be difficult to build a a a much more airtight case against her, Iron Clyde case. So, but the but the Department of Justice has suspended it the vote or whether or not the Supreme Court's going to listen to the Glenn Maxwell case twice. So that's that is something it could be there's a huge turnover in the judiciary um because of the Trump administration or it could be something ominous. We just have to find out. We have to wait and see and then we'll find out. Great. Thanks Nick. I want to thank Diego and Thomas Sophia uh and Max as well as Victor who produced the show. You can find me at chris edges.substack. substack.com. [Music]