[Music] [Applause] Adam what's your point the future looks bright my handshake is better than anything I ever sign it's right here you are a one of one my son's right I think said [Music] this okay we were going to go pre-recorded with this today we decided to go live because we have two of the most important voices in the world today one of them happens to be Alexandra de Mor's best friend Mike Benz who was in the house today for whatever reason these two guys just really like each other he always picks on him and uh there's a lot going to be that's that's going to be exposed today Mike said he's got material he's going to be sharing he's never shared before and if you know Mike we've had him on we were on together what a three four five months ago and him talking about USA ID all these other convers a that's been had and when I was with the president of Brazil we showed a clip of his the president reacted to it there's a lot of people in Brazil right now are watching to see what uh he has to say some of the stories having to do with CIA possibly being involved with the coup and even you know pulling bonaro aside saying hey you better kind of play along with us Lloyd Austin and others or else but I'll let him explain it to you he knows it better than I do and the other one is maybe not even maybe I can say he is the biggest superstar in all of Brazil if you go to Brazil with him you cannot walk the streets without people stopping him we're in Brazil together eating pizza at this one place I want to say four days ago five days ago this was just a few days ago called Inferno and while we're going there we're having dinner left and right everybody gets excited to see the face of Nicolas fera I want to say the proper way Nicholas fera yeah it's fine who's got these two books as well going to put the links below if there is Rob if you can find the links to these books one of them is a parenting book right and the other one is about politician and christianism right so both of them are going to be there as well bye Nicholas it's great to have you on the podcast thank you Patrick for me it's an honor thank you so much Mike how you doing never been better that's good I I'm I'm I'm excited for that by the way initially it was just supposed to be us okay then I said if we're going to have you on we may as well also have Mike on because I want the Brazilian people I want people around the world Americans Brazilian to see this because Americans get a chance to see you Brazilians get a chance to hear from Mike directly both audiences need to learn about each other and what's going on with Brazil and we were at CPAC a couple days ago two days ago Eduardo bolsonaro was there he had a chance to speak it was a lot of talks about Brazil and then while we're there leaving I kind of want a little bit of feedback from you here an hour after we are done with the interview with the bado we're sitting there hey 38 years coup poisoning Lula you're seing all that stuff being talked about what can you tell us about what's going on there so first of all for me it's an honor to be here Patrick uh Mike thank you for what you're doing for Brazil uh I talk about politics Day by Day in Brazil but in Portuguese so if I make any mistake here I'm sorry I'm trying to improve my English and if I make any mistake uh okay so what's happening in Brazil we have a supreme court we are fighting against uh tyranny of censorship especially from Alexander Mor and they try to just silence the greatest leader of the right conservative uh Wing in Brazil that is J bolsonaro they say that he tried C that he tried to kill Lula and the vice president but we know that the only one the one candidate of uh presidential elections was J bolsonaro he was tabbed in his belly by a ex uh socialist Affiliated party and now they're trying to put him in jail for a fantasy coup he was here in in us when happened uh the 8th of January people entering the Congress was a bad day for Brazil but they are not any terrorists uh they did of course some small crimes but they are getting 17 years of jail like any other uh corrupt corrupted guy in Brazil they get this uh forg in Brazil for corruption for robbery for anything so we know that they are doing this for to this people because they were wearing uh green and yellow t-shirts if they were using red red in Brazil is for the labor party for the Socialist if they were using red uh uh maybe red they would be uh free right now so they are persecuting us for everything we say like for now I'm being screwed because I said that Lula is a is a thief and he should be in jail so we are facing a Tyne in Brazil it's hard can you say that right now so the fact that you're saying he's a thief and he should be in jail you flying back to Brazil is there any risk for you that anything could happen or no yes of course being Su a criminal for saying that uh me as a deputy uh I can say everything and as all the Brazilians should say though but we are not able to say the truths in Brazil now your story for some people that don't know Rob if you can pull up the clip you were telling me this when we were together is this is you at 17 years old right this is a school where I think it's called PUK if PUK if I'm not mistaken yeah is a Catholic University and this is how you went viral by the way just so everybody knows you know Nicholas has got 17 plus million followers just on Instagram he posts a clip on Instagram it gets a million likes not even a million views this guy's the biggest sensation there while we're there walking around everyone say saying he will be the president in the next 8 years and the people want him to become the president in 8 years but explain to us what happens here cuz this is where people learn about you you're 17 years old in this clip yeah so just to let you know guys I'm I came from a very poor neighborhood in Brazil called Cabana I don't have any politicians in my family I think I was the first crazy one to enter in politics and I am graduated in law uh by the Catholic University and at the time of 2015 2016 there was a impeachment in Brazil that we took out dilma's ex president and then everyone went to the street to go to the protest and then of course me as a a young guy I did the same but I started to post some videos in the internet and started to go viral this one is the first one uh in that stage there was a lot of socialist uh leaders and then I I I was working at my office and I I heard that that one guy called Leonard B it's a guy that he how can I say that he put the socialism in the church in the churches the Catholic churches in Brazil and then I heard that he wasn't there I said I got to say some things right to his face but as I student I couldn't so I I I I told a girl to come over and said I'm a huge fan fan of him please let me talk and then she said okay you're a student okay go there of course she she she thought that I was a leftist and then I I said I began saying thank you so much thank you so much because of you I'm not socialist and and I started to punch him with my words of course and then it went viral and this was my first video that went viral because I I was only 17 18 years old I was entering in the law uh in the low this school you're going to is that like the compare is this a liberal school is this a far-left school or no yeah so uh it is but it shouldn't because it's a Catholic University but is very is a very liberal University Rob can you play that clip while he I mean we're not going to understand what he's saying I just want him the audience to see when he walks up I'm so skinn can you play the that's so you're thinking him right now I'm appreciating I'm saying thank you because you made me uh you made me choose a side in my life you made two interviews in 2003 saying that your theology is not necessarily Christian in the second interview he said that communism was the worst thing in the world a person said that and he said that it was wrong so how I I know that how left is a hypocrite hypocrite you're saying this to his face yeah I'm saying through his face you can pause it right here so you play this clip this goes out is this the first time Brazil learned about you like prior to this they don't know who you are yeah I think it was the first time they didn't know who I was and at this point do you have any aspirations of getting into politics or not yet uh no I was only into the protest uh making some videos and I wasn't running for anything I was just 18 years old uh I couldn't even run for City councelor you have to be 21 got it y so I mean obviously from there to now with what's going on with Brazil Mike for you um when you started talking about I think it was the clip that we played in the interview with Steve Bannon where you're explaining the fact that you know what really is taking place in Brazil the powers behind it and I think even when you were with Joe on Joe's you explain the fact that they went to tell him bolsonaro I'll let you tell the story what is the exchange with how the US was involved with the elections in Brazil well are are you referring when you say they went to tell bosar are you you're referring to the CIA director Lloyd Austin actually can pull that up on screen if you go to the the uh slide deck it'll be slides starting on slide 12 I can walk you through that go for it Rob if you can go through that right there so this is the US state department yeah if you can you go to the SL just plus view slideshow there you go M so and and we'll go through this line by line here but the US state department called in massive favors and leverage personal connections to build voting machines for Lulu aligned Brazil officials and then the CIA warned bolsonaro not to warn not to mess with or cast doubt on all the new US state department secured voting machines determining his election and if you go to the next slide walk through this so this from the financial times this piece is uh basically about in fact if you go to the slide after this first what they say is this was a concerted but unannounced so this was basically a covert action by the Biden White House the Biden Pentagon the Biden CIA and the Biden State Department to uh fortify Brazil's election so if you go back to the other one the slide before so the US provided practical help in the election process uh to obtain components especially semiconductors needed to manufacture the new voting machines the former US ambassador to Brazil so they are using Shadow diplomacy here because they don't want their formal US state department fingerprints on it they're going to a a the former US ambassador in Brazil to l Lage his personal connections with Taiwan with Taiwan semiconductor and to leverage those connections I'm sorry inside of the Texas uh Texas Instruments to distinguish semiconductor needs and give priority now we have a semiconductor shortage here in the US they are diverting semiconductor chips for that the US needs and sending them to Brazil a foreign country to add voting machines that the democratically elected president of Brazil doesn't want the US state department and some senior Brazilian officials also asked Taiwanese authorities to give priority to Brazil's need for semiconductors uh which are used in the voting machines and then if you go to the next slides here uh yeah so then I say what's funny is both the 1964 military hunt in Brazil and the 2022 judicial hunter in Brazil received direct help from the CIA to rise to power and then if you if you uh go to the next one you'll see CIA Chief this is reuter told bolsonaro government not to mess with Brazil election this is in May 2022 64 is cool are you talking about the the Sam what is it uh uh brother brother Sam yeah yeah but I want to just just kind of you know close the loop on on this because if you if you go to the next one next slide yeah so Bill Burns makes a personal Voyage this is months before the election even happens we are now Force feeding Brazil electronic voting machines the elected president doesn't even want in the country and so the state department is is doing that then we send in our covert action boys the CIA to say Don't You cast doubt look at the language told Brazilian senior officials that President bolaro should stop casting doubt on his country's voting system it's not even his country's voting system we we sent the semiconductor chips to to build that because Brazil didn't want them themselves so we're putting the machines in there and then telling them don't question uh you know the results of these machines so go to the next one so then this is also some foreign policy uh a month after Bill Burns it was the Pentagon secretary Lloyd Austin's turn to go down to Brazil and push the chief of the Brazilian Armed Forces to commit to actually do a pledge go to the next slide Brazil Manifesto seek to reign in bolsonaro before election this is before the election in a July conference with regional defense ministers so we are personally paying as us taxpayers for the head of the Central Intelligence Agency to go down there we are suffering under a chip shortage and we are getting that diverted so that electronic voting machines can go down then we are paying for the flights of the CIA director to go down and warn them not to cast doubt on the machines that they didn't that you know they couldn't build without us and that the president didn't want so this was and actually let me let me show you something else here as well while while question here before we go to the next thing why are they doing this why do they care so my focus on this is on the internet censorship side this is uh I did not I love the people of Brazil I I love Brazilian zook dancing I've always been around Brazilian people I don't speak Portuguese um but I did not really I didn't seek this out this was something that was an unavoidable inescapable reality of the US censorship work that I was focused on it was a recurring fact since Trump won the election in 2016 as soon as bolaro started gaining Traction in Brazil that these issues were interlined that they wanted to stop bolaro for the same reasons they wanted to stop Donald Trump I have that much 100% there are other issues you know so I have this big un unpublished report that I'm just showing you some some things from here uh tonight but that'll be published sometime in in the next several months there is the open question so the technical reason they said they did it is because bolsar was a threat to democracy and who's they the CIA and Biden the CIA Biden state state department usaid the NGO swarm we have this concept called democracy promotion programs which is you know this idea that um if something is categorized as an authoritarian threat or it leads to illiberal democracy without sufficient Democratic institutional safeguards uh we deputize our democracy promotion programs to basically overturn their governments to do regime change operations to Institute uh judicial reforms in the country to control their prosecutors their judges their universities um their unions uh their media ecosystems in order to uh manage their democracy and when something gets categorized as a threat to democracy that's a technical term that unleashes the capabilities of our regime change apparatus now they did that to Trump they did that to bolsonaro there are but whenever some something's deemed a threat to democracy there's always something else behind it right in Trump's case it was very obvious that Trump's policy about Eurasia was the primary reason that they ran all of the cou likee actions against him from the multiple impeachments to multiple impeachments to the 91 felonies um to the to the special prosecutors probe the Bob Mueller 2 and a half year FBI special prosecutors um to the to the Whirlwind of state funded media and intelligence six ways from Sundays things against him there were other things that Trump did that that uh flew in the face of the interest of uh International corporations and Banks and uh and Foundations and NOS uh that one was the was the primary one in my view in the bolsonaro story they my since my primary focus is on internet censorship it's very easy for me to tell that story and I can walk you through that whole thing but in terms of the why they did it again technically it's all they need to say is threat to democracy but there are always interests underneath that and there are many threads you know there is a sort of murder mystery who done it um there are many Financial interests in in Brazil there's uh there there many US multinational corporations of Interest there there are international interests around China and the relationship between China and the Biden Administration um there's the the connection with the with the unions and many of the the union groups um and there's there's several others and this is actually why I'm happy to sit in and and sort of play second chair to to Nicholas because I have my own questions uh around the the specifics of who financially benefit from these things because for example Lula connect his whole government to China you know and and he was very open about that this is the sort of thing that the state department and the CIA and usaid typically run operations to stop and yet you had this very strange situation where we ran these operations to install it uh you know just this Chinese influence in in Brazil and when you look at the Biden family relationship with with the Chinese stakeholders you look at the the hunter B you know $110 million basically windfall from uh from Chinese clients first his consulting company and Partnerships with Chinese energy companies um you see this this recurring pattern with with the bid Administration I don't have though since everything I do is open source I don't have any confessions from people in the US okay so can I just ch can I just unpack what I think you're saying and then tell me if that's kind of what you're saying and Nicholas I'm going to come to you next so are you saying hypothetically to average person not somebody that's Mike Ben's caliber this is your world Deputy you you know you're in working with the state department you're in the world internet you're arounded this is your world that you study to the average person you're saying China potentially used Biden as a favor to make sure bolsonaro doesn't get in the way because under Lula they're able to buy and get more resources and things that they want there and Bolado gets in the way so hey us we'll stay quiet and we won't do anything with you we'll keep doing business with you but we need a favor from you we need to make sure you go out there and do whatever you can for bado to stop talking about the voting system and rig it if you can make sure he doesn't win so we can put Lula in because Lula's going to play game with us play ball with us with China we can get in and do whatever we want to do is that kind of what you're insinuating I don't know that the there are things that keep coming up in my research about it that that I find highly disturbing Ing and I would not be able to get without the subpoena power of congress and it is it is my opinion that at the end of this process and once the the report that I'm working on is published and all this is you know can be just you have the whole timeline chronology Network map funding flows cast of characters all that um it's it's my belief that uh that it would be beneficial for the American people to understand to have an autopsy of the Rogue activity of their own government for any of the oversight bodies that we currently have set up whether that is the weaponization subcommittee of Jim Jordan whether that's the house Foreign Affairs or Senate Foreign Affairs committees uh whether that is declassifying federal Secrets frankly from covert actions involved in this there any number of of subp you know subpoena power equipped courts uh uh uh congressional committees that could uh that could probe those questions most most immediately the you know what comes up most frequently publicly in this and what they talk about is this International Exchange of ideas between trumpism and bolsonaro ISM and that's a very simple one to understand right which is just the the raw political calculus of you get rid of bolsonaro you get rid of trump you get rid of the you know and this is a direct quote the International Exchange of ideas you can actually go to my foundation's websites foundationfor Freedom online.com if you put put put Brazil into the search at the top you'll see oh yeah one word yep yep and they just put Brazil on the top and you'll see a a report that I published two two a little over two years ago if you yeah yeah us tax dollars funding text message censorship in Brazil published this in in July 2022 so uh just in time for the CIA director to descend on uh to descend on Brazil and you'll see we us taxpayers paid to uh to get the censorship State installed in Brazil and if you're us taxpayers yes yes we CU these are all this is all USA ID and and Ned and the NGO in Brazil private texts to family and friends are fast becoming a as targeted by counter disinformation techniques as public facing post on social media this escalation of fact Checkers interventions and sharing limits on text has been introduced through new speech constraints on popular encrypted apps such as WhatsApp Telegram and Rob K go a little bit higher so I can read the last sentence these developments are being funded by millions of dollars in US tax Nicholas did you feel this and did you see this happen in Brazil yes of course uh our Superior electoral Court they they made a lot of decisions that was bad for bonaro for example uh when when alexand Mor announced that Lula won in the superior court that was another judge called Benedito D Silva he just went through him and said mission mission given mission accomplished you have that clip by the way until now this judge didn't this judge didn't came to public to say what what I mean was that he didn't say that so it was very strange there is another judge in Brazil called bajos that after the elections that bonaro lost he said we defeated bism the one Ro play yeah this is the video min rski now he's announcing Lula as the president and then this judge comes to him say Mission given his mission accomplished so what he means about that mission given mission accomplished so he was working against bonaro so he's a judge should be impartial so this is one judge it's it's the same you can stop the video right there this is the same judge that said that this is Lula and after that he's receiving uh I don't know how you say this in in English but he's giv some TAPS in his face as he was his best friend so this is the kind of Judge that's saying that Bonar is a tyranny he's a people he is a person that he's he's giving Mis disinformation to Brazil but at this point because and there's a lot of telegram groups that you're part of right that the communities are talking to each other are you seeing what you can and can't do yeah for example in I I think that in other social medias it was more um how can I say it was clear to me that something wasn't coming to me so there was some information that if you Google it for example you would you would find there are some others information that you try to find and it was harder to find so for example in the elections you couldn't say that Lula was um had Maduro as a friend you couldn't say that you couldn't say that Lula was friend of Daniel Ortega from Nicaragua so you couldn't say that you couldn't say that Lula was supporting abortion for example I had I was I was m i was fined for like 3,000 re just because I made a video saying that Lula was supporting abortion was supporting uh drugs and I was fined because of that so there there's another uh minister of the Supreme Court called jumar mes that he gave an interview like maybe six months ago that he said that Lula is in presidence because of them like any any other country that gives uh politics seriously it would be a scandal but in Brazil it's normal because the Supreme Court of Brazil is not more a Judiciary power it's a political power so in the elections for example bonaro in our Independence Day in 7th of September we he had a a huge protest like three two million people in Brazilia in s Paulo and then he couldn't use these images for his Network he couldn't use it was it was crazy he could just to show how many people were you guys couldn't show yeah he couldn't show that on TV and for example in the labor party in the labor party uh was saying that bonaro was a Hannibal they were saying that bonaro was a pedophile they were saying that bonaro would end up the the FAS the the holidays for the for the workers so it was all that kind of disinformation and anything happened with Lula and his friends for bado anyone that for example question the voting system would be fine my social media was down for one month because I just questioned the the voting electronic machines so my lawyer doesn't have access to the process um my social media just went bad because of a political pressure but not a Judiciary process so that what happened in 2022 we all thought that of course there was a interfer interfer in Brazil but we didn't know where did it come uh how they did that but now it's clear that uh as Mike said that if wasn't Us ad maybe bonaro or sure bonaro would be the president of Brazil today now Mike let me ask you as you're processing what he's saying um when I was with the president I I asked him so for example what can what can us under Trump because we saw that Lula's popularity when he was done being president after the eight years he was in from 2003 to 2011 he left with a popularity of 80% 81% it was very high and then he goes and does his time you know his wife has the stroke she passes away he gets 12 years Alexandra Dem moras comes in takes him out bonaro wins in 2018 and then they bring him out to make sure he beats you know bonaro and boom the rest is history but I asked him the question I said so now Lula's popularity went from 80% to 24% the lowest it's ever been in Brazil it's not a good thing Brazilians don't like this guy coffee is expensive everything is expensive right now they're going through it what the what is the opposite of what CIA did to hurt meaning so now how does Alexandra de morz or X which now I think they banned the uh Trump's Network and Rumble and now Rumble and Trump's Network are super in Brazil and while Lula's there Alexandra is there what can us it doesn't look like this guy's afraid of anybody it doesn't look like this guy de moras is afraid of anybody in the states do you think things can change in any way where bonaro could run and win in 2026 yes if the US is serious about applying diplomatic um diplomatic resources on the issue um there are many ways that that can be done not sure this is the most appropriate form for discussing them but um and there are actually two open threads that I I I did want to get to from what Nicholas just said but uh the short answer is there are many things that the US can do if the US ambassador is serious if the president is serious um if the if Marco Rubio is serious um and uh yes much much can be done I uh I'm I'll I'll I'll I'll leave it there I think what you need is policy alignment and then the appropriate uh the appropriate organs to mobilize policy alignment where amongst wado and us well you're going to need to synchronize all the different facets of US foreign policy uh when that can be done um on uh no let's stay on that I'm curious what does that mean I want to know what that means uh you know because for me um you're you're dealing with a country that out of their 11 11 Supreme Courts only two are conservative you're dealing with a country that out of their 81 Senate only 22 are conservative you're dealing with a country that out of 513 congressmen and women only 130 are conservative when you look at buchelli Brandon you were telling me earlier the fact that buelli the way he did it in advance yeah he kind of set up his Congress before he became president so he had everybody in his favor the majority so he looks like a dictator but he just happens to have everybody on his side so he has no resistance and a real beautiful setup for what he wanted to do with his policies and that's a beautiful thing because he can just go in and say here's what we want to do right m in this case this is a very different situation that he has so if if us can't go and say well let's you know what do we do with the Supreme Court what do we do with Senate what do we do with that that's a longer term play to me short term between now in 2026 what can us really do just doesn't feel appropriate I'm just going to say it I I don't I don't think that this is the Forum to uh but I'm happy to listen to to you guys talk about it it's just uh yeah sounds so interesting yeah one thing I can say is all Brazilians Mike all Brazilians we are hopefully that this guy pays for what he's doing because what what what we think what we feel uh day by day is that he's the law and anyone can put him in his place and he's just UHA post is's he's just doubling down you know he doesn't quick never so I I I agree with Mike it's difficult to say what us should do with a judge a supreme federal court uh uh judge but we all hope that he pays for what he's doing because he's doing very bad things with people we didn't talk about the 8 of January yet but there are a lot of Innocents they are still in jail uh there are 17 years of jail and he doesn't quick he's just doing this because he hates the the right wing hates the conservatives and the most he hates bolsonaro they want to put him in jail for a fantasy coup so uh we want to see like this guy paying for for for justice you know Mike Dan banino got a job today is is it the McDonald's job from uh over J working with cash right when are you getting a job because it almost seems like you're applying it almost seems like what you're saying that my read on on what you just did right now is hey the right person you are a right person you have a way of doing it you could be the one helping out are you one either in talks or two if you're not are you open if they were to offer you something well what I was getting into there was about you know and one of the reasons I want to Circle back to some of the things that that we were just talking about and play uh some of these things for for uh for the world to see here is that we like I mentioned congressional committees on this who have subpoena power who can do transcribed interviews of all the officials involved um who can use the power of the purse to to slash budgets uh who can do public hearings and put this all out out um and uh and prosecutors who in the US who can take appropriate action to the extent that there's criminal wrongdoing um there there is right now agency by agency the people at the top of the perch have been the people who have been punished by the system but you know RFK is at the head of HHS cash at the and now you know Dan bungo at the top of of FBI um time and time again we've seen this you know Dr J bachari at the top of NIH uh I think that there is an American interest in pursuing this and the weaponization of the foreign policy establishment and its covert and overt capabilities and its NGO capabilities uh to go after bolaro as a way of going after Donald Trump and so I mentioned this phrase stopping the inter uh the International Exchange of ideas between trumpism and bolsonaro ISM so on that that on that piece that I pulled up before the uh the foundation for freedom online Brazil report you actually see that's a direct quote I think actually just if you if you scroll down or just run a contrl f for uh exchange you'll see this if we just yeah there you go so this this was funed by the US here this is the this is the if you if you scroll down this is a US taxpayer so this so what this is if you click this video this is uh presentation to ifes which is uh which is a us a partner and and Implement her this is international idea this is attached to the National Endowment for democracy and uh and usaid and it's basically uh election Management in in foreign countries and you'll see here our us taxpayers paying International idea they get all their money from from Congress from uh through a state department uh contribution so this was back in 2021 2022 and if you just play this you'll see what the thought process was ahead of of Brazil's election for how our own Ng were weaponized to go after Trump by going after bolaro well okay you have an ad ads there there two more seconds left so Rob if you want to I think there's two ad okay yeah we'll go through both of them to your words of wisdom on how we can build up society's defenses against thisinformation and more specifically on which measures have proven most effective this is international idea this is this is our address so the question is how Society can enhance the ability to detect and resist the fake news and false facts this is uh a picture of really Recent research we did to got from so here he is presenting this is this is hosted by us us taxpayers and this is I published this years ago right I published this two and a half years ago at this point similar keywords on the Brazilian and US populist right on parlor and you'll see it's Trump uh you know uh election fraud irregularities the very things that people in Brazil were prosecuted or banned from being able to talk about they grafted off of the model of something that was done here in the US ahead of the 2020 election when DHS partnered with groups like EIP the Atlanta Council Graphica two of our universities to censor American ability to talk about election voting machines and then we systematically trained the Brazilian judges to do the same to stop bolsonaro and I can walk you through that whole process but this is just from things of our if you let it play you'll see how basically this is Art taxpayer funded Nos and CIA cutouts working with here a you know Brazilian uh Professor effectively uh on how to co- strategize to stop the International Exchange of ideas between Trump and bolaro from Po and uh we got the the narratives in discourse that have been used during during the the end of the year at the beginning of the year uh just after the the Biden election and before they got in office and the extreme right used mostly these kind of words to sustain the their their research and strategy to harm democracy and and uh put questions and doubts about the results of the elections in the US that's the crime what we put in in the Red Square is the same same uh ideas and words we have been using of course in Portuguese in you can get in from our political discussion in social networks from the stream rights so stream rights in Brazil is arted as well and get the same message and translated in Portuguese and put in in in in in the boundaries of culture but basically they are reproducing the same narrative the same discourse and if you get information the same information of social networks like par from from Europeans you get mostly the same kind of of words like fraud stop fraud suppression irregularities and so forth so that's what I'm saying that it's not only an engineer that goes through different platforms but in an international movement to exchange ideas that harms democ I got this Mike go for it so this makes sense so these words are the words that they're both worried about let me yeah we exported our censorship models when they started to work against Trump we exported them to Brazil we exported them to Europe we're exporting them to Australia as part of a state department usaid push to control the information space in every country on Earth so the reason for examp exle this this that I published was about the US taxpayers funding the censorship of encrypted chat apps like WhatsApp and telegram this was because we had already moved into Brazil to censor social media this is why Brazilians were one of the first people to come to gab and some of the other altern in parlor and these other platforms but uh you know on this point you mentioned boso am I saying that correctly right so if you go to slide 23 bosu yes that's yes so this is ndi ndi is the is the DNC uh Branch it's the CI wing of the DNC ndi is the is the Democrat Party wing of the national n for democracy the National Endowment for democracy is the Premier CIA cutout of our tens of thousands around the world it's a big umbrella one it was created in 1983 it was conceived in the office of the CIA director William Casey the CIA had gotten in a lot of trouble just a few years earlier when the heart attack gun was held up in front of Congress the Democrats ha the CIA Ronald Reagan wanted it back they couldn't get that approved they couldn't get the powers back because Democrats controlled uh the lower house of Congress and so they came up with an idea to create the national down for democracy to have an outside NGO funded by the state department where all the grants are reviewed by the CIA go out and be the operations arm basic basically a plausible deniability layer for the CIA the same way the CIA provides that plausible deniability layer for the state department they have four core fours iri which is the Republican branch of of the CIA of of the Ned it's the international Republican Institute it's founded by John McCain who ran for president in 2008 uh the Republican nominee on its board are people like Mitt Romney who ran for president in uh in 2012 basically until Trump you had to be iri if you wanted to run for president in in the Republican party on the on the Democrat side it's called the the other uh political core for is called ndi the national Democratic Institute who um you know was you know the hunter Biden for example is on the Chairman's Advisory Board of the ndi if you've ever heard me talking about the wonderful CIA World of of Hunter Biden but uh but ndi again is fully funded by the US government they get hundreds of millions of dollars every year um they are notorious for regime change and organizing Street riots penetrating the unions in in countries penetrating their for-profit companies penetrating Academia uh mobilizing uh student youths to take to the streets and here you have the ndi senior elections adviser uh encouraging Brazil's top judge boso to uh if you just play this clip here in in this Rumble you'll see this again so we're paying how long is it we're p uh you can just play the first just play like the first 30 seconds to get the idea of it uh and you can if you need to mute that for the answer a second I just I just want to show you that all this is meticulously forensically detailed yeah you uh so um this will go out to all the panelists and and just feel free if you have some strong feelings about it um uh to answer because I I did want to talk a bit about um something that we know about disinformation campaigns have often specifically targeted women and marginalized communities want to hear fast forward speaks well you'll see what pause for a second what she goes she presses him to do more to censor non-inclusive speech yeah she's this is this is our taxpayer funded CIA cutout pushing the top judge in Brazil to do more to sensor and in fact uh you know if you can you can you can play that out or if you um you know I've got I've got a million of these clips that we trained all their judges I mean I can show you it's it's we trained all of Brazil's judges yes yes it was like in fact in the program the banner program that that coordinated this they said one of the specific reasons they did this is so that these you these judicial institutions what they call them embs election management bodies you know this has been a big push uh since Trump won to to control the judiciaries because usaid and its Charter is allowed to do so-called judicial reform to influence the laws and and the judicial decisions in foreign countries and so you know you can if you don't want to sit through this whole thing but you can hear her say it's so this is I'll make this you know this is in the report with millions of other things but I'll put this on my ex account for for folks uh you know right after this but if you want to go to the next slide you'll see if you want to just hear straight from the horse's mouth without having to skip around uh so this is a presentation of the top judge in Brazil to the Wilson Center which is the close partner and implementor of the US state department it gets I think over 30% of its annual funds directly from us taxpayers it is one of our flank of State Department interlocutors Nicholas do you know who he is yes of course I know that that that was uh the guy that I told um that I told you here like 10 minutes ago that he said that we defeated Bonar we defeated bolaris after that Bonar lost the elections yeah yeah now if you want to you want to play that I'm going I can give you a background they did a whole war game for how teaching them how to censor uh you know a bolsonaro post the Wilson Center the state department funded Wilson Center um you know with uh with them but uh we can which which clip are you talking about if you want just listen if you in fact if you just skip to the end of it just do the just do the last 45 seconds and you you'll get the picture of it we brought them in for this yeah just yeah like or or actually no no no start a little bit before that yeah yeah right there that's or yeah that's fine you'll see this page and check if the information is true so uh we we we prepared for a war and I think we're winning so far I don't like to celebrate things before they are over but so far misinformation has been uh very unimportant in this election compared to what happened before and so the what we did I think think we we got rid or we we prevented what we call the the useful Innocents people that would forward uh fake news without knowing or not being conscious I think we scare the amateurs and the professionals the digital militias that have a hierarchy and are funded we are paying very much attention to them and a couple of them we have dismantled with the federal police and with great publicity so I think we reduced uh U disinformation campaigns to a minimum in in these elections fortunately okay so if you pause there now the Wilson Center is a US state department organ we pay for this the Wilson Center then got together with Brazilian judges and officials and did a whole disinformation war game to train them on the practices of what we had used to censor Trump during the 2020 election you know who else was at the Wilson Center Nina jankovitz the uh the the head of the disinformation governance board we are literally taking best practices from the US that were used to stop Trump from winning in 2020 and training every organ we went around to the prosecutors the judges the universities there's a whole story here with the unions top to bottom we spent tens of millions of dollars and you so is it a big loss for them to lose usaid or is that just the tip oh my God cuz I mean seems like they're a bit on an island without them is that correct or is this like is there the Ned still yes they're in a full-blown panic over it uh and now there are there's a question of if they can offset that through funding from the EU and other International bodies like the UN they want to try to create sort of like replacement funding through the the private donor networks through the Soros networks and the gates networks are going to have to pay the Craig Newark networks the pi midar networks the the Reed Hoffman networks may have to spend their own billions uh you know to offset that but they're also working with these inpower you know the censors in Exile here in the US are trying to get this funding to continue this work by partnering with foreign foreign governments to get it now that USA ID is down but that is going to it's going to cost them a lot Mike let me ask you a question have have you been again three questions I've ask you're very good at dodging any question I ask I don't think you've answered a single question of mine I think you just came with a PowerPoint to present I ask you since you have knowledge in this he brought up a I know I'm asking since you have knowledge in this I ask you with Dan Bonino we would want someone like you on the inside to help something like this if you're knowledgeable in it are you open to the idea if they do reach out and have you had any of the conversations you don't have to answer the second one but the first one I just want to be useful you just want to be which means yes yes that's what that means whatever the best role for me is you know my my you know my North Star here is about freedom of speech and you know it's not about trying to get a particular person elected um it's not about uh you know what happens in foreign countries you know for the sake of of what happens there uh it's you know like I said uh I I think bolsonaro is a hero I think he's a martyr figure I think it's a human rights violation what happened to him um my priority is as an American to tell this story about Brazil because this is a story of the American government and and this is something that the Trump Administration if it wants to get done its domestic agenda is going to run into this International Goliath they're going to run into it in the EU they're going to run into it in Canada and Australia they're going to run into it in Ukraine they're going to run into it in Central Asia they're going to run into it in subsaharan Africa but the Brazil case study is a really clean one because the size of the operation and how sloppy they were about covering the traff good so that means the fingerprints are going to be left with what's going on Nicholas for you when you're hearing what he's saying I'm assuming you see half of the stuff you already maybe have seen or you know the judge you're in the country you go through it but for the people okay today Americans are listening to you Brazilians are listening to him that was my idea for them to see the both messaging to see what Brazilians are going to hear from uh Mike to be inspired what can I do right and from your end for Americans to say I love this guy I need to be involved I want to you know share this information with other people how can we do something about it yeah what Mike said here I think for all the Americans it's it's very hard to to understand but it's the truth you are paying taxes and this taxes is going to interfere in our politics in Brazil and it's not for the good it's for the bad if you see like the the other page that he he the the other one that was training Baho the think than that was training bosu yeah there was three ladies Rob there three ladies we right Wiston Center the the NDA like all of these they are training our judges like CH you want to go to slide one by the way I don't mean to interrupt but no no no problem yeah like to censorship us you know does that look familiar yes it does that's the USA zeps program is this something the judges want or is something being told to do though so that's why these guys uh if if you if you hear again the Baha speech he says that we we are winning so far the war because we don't want to happen what happened in 2018 again this kind of this misinformation so he says that bonaro only won because of the fake news and disinformation and that's why they need to combat this because bolsonaro and bolsar ISM they are a threat to democracy but they are the threat to democracy so your taxes are paying uh the tyrany in my country that's what's happening so these guys are interfering in our politics and for the bad as I was saying I don't want them to interfere in nothing either in right or either uh neither in left because we want a free country a soarian country and that's why uh day by day they try to censorship us for example if you put the other is slide that says the the unapproved rating unapproved of Brazil of lulas yeah this thing it's from 14 February of this year approval rating of Brazil's lulas Falls to 34 for 35 and this is the and the reason of that it be it's mainly because of video of of of me that I did on Instagram I posted a video on Instagram because in Brazil informal work is very widespread and Lula government as all the socialist government they they try to collect more text from people and then I made a video uh it's it's up up up go up more that the this first one I made I made this video and saying that got 8.8 million likes yeah it how many can you click on to see how many view this video got Rob wow just click on the numbers of likes yeah it'll show you if you click on that let me check it here uh I think you you need to go out no pres res yeah and then you go down you're you're going to find it okay there you go yeah 327 million like this video I think is the most viewed view in 24 hours in the whole world and that happened because all Brazilians were very unsatisfied and still unsatisfied with Lula government and they and then they did are you saying in the message because the government uh tried to implemented a measure to tax informal workers who move up 5,000 R it's less than $1,000 uh in their account so anyone who who was uh informal worker and made this uh who moved this in their bank account would have uh the government controlling uh what he he's doing his bank account uh so this is small business business would be very uh how can I say hurt you know what I how long is that video by the way how long 4 minutes so in the video what are you explaining to them I'm explaining that the government wants to do this with the small business that Lula is spending a lot of your money a lot of your tax money that the judges they don't put their bank accounts to open as they want to put this small business and then I'm saying we need to stop Lula otherwise who stop Brazil and this video uh uh made the government back down and he and the government uh took this this what's the date on that video rap sorry what's the date on the video uh five weeks ago it's 15 January yep right down here January 14th 14th sorry yeah so one month after Lula uh approval rating got down because of this video and that's why they Tred to censorship us because with this video I passed Lula of followers on Instagram like all of or of the majority of my videos they had more than 1 million views and that's why they try to to push us down and say that we are threatened to democracy because we talk to the people as I said I came to a I came from a very poor neighborhood people listen to me and I'm just speaking just speaking the truth and then after this video all the lulas government said that they were going to sue me that that I I did fake news I did disinformation disinformation but in the video they couldn't find any lies any fake news any fake news so they couldn't do anything with me but they threatened me a lot so my security I need to I need to walk with more Security in Brazil because of of this because I'm a I'm so dangerous you can see look at my face I'm danger I'm very dangerous to democracy and and there are there are a lot of uh traffics drug dealers in Brazil that are being sold to yeah there are a lot of drug dealers in Brazil they have been released by the Supreme Court and they they don't go uh uh against this kind of crime organization but they mov the whole world to put me bado and others in jail so people in Brazil are are just dis dis desperated uh by this kind of measure and that's why uh in 16 of March we're all going to streets to protest in R de Janeiro Copa Cabana with bolsonaro because with bonaro yeah with bonaro because we need to put a end off in in this where is boso going to be in kak Cabana Rio de Jano where are you going to be at the same same place so it's not like different locations going before we were doing in different locations uh but bado told that was better to put only in one place everybody goes to one place everybody goes to one place so right now is is the confidence there that bosar because you're 28 you cannot run till 2036 right if I'm not mistaken yeah I can't run I need to be so right right now it's one of two things was the conversation one lowered the age to run which that's not the topic right now now you know they they they may want you to run for Senate because that's one way to help right that's kind of one of the things we're talking about so if they're not going to lower the age and they have them right now not being able to run for 2026 and if they have control of all the three different branches of like you got supreme and House and Senate what what can what can you do for them to allow bosar to run because if he does wrong what's going to happen his wife's going to be the face kind of like what's going on with Venezuela where Mario in Machado ran with I think what's the guy's name edmundo Gonzalez I think that's his name yeah I think that's right would that be kind of how they would do it what do you think can happen I really don't know what's going to happen in Brazil when I talk to this bolsonaro he says that I'm the candidate and and that's all I'm going to run for president he's saying that so yeah he's saying that so and I asked him what should I answer if someone says that maybe other candidate maybe other person he says I am running for presidency so I really don't know what's going on I just don't think that the the system will leave him free to run I I don't know that he he he was he will be able to run for presidency in Brazil I really don't know because they they have a lot of power a lot of power in Brazil yeah so you know and we can do much because if you are in a normal democracy that you have the executive power the legislative power the judicial power okay it's fine but me as a congressman I I don't have any power today I just only have my voice so that's why we still speaking and giving speeches because this gives hope to people this defends the moral the principles the the values of the of the Brazilian people but that's all we can do like we of course come here to us Elon Musk shared a lot of videos of mine he helps a lot Mike is doing a such an amazing job but that's all we can do I'm not saying it's it's less thing to do but it's all we can do so we can't do much to me I I um okay so if this thing's at from 80 to 34 to 24 you got 329 million views I don't know if I've seen a video with 329 million views and you're from Brazil us is a bigger country I I I don't honestly I don't know if you've seen I've seen a video with 329 million views 8.8 million likes and I'm talking you know the only thing I guess I saw is when Messi's post got 77 million views on Instagram when he won the World Cup yeah I mean that's Messi winning the World Cup is what I've seen right so the only thing it makes me think about if they're not going to get out the way and look I can say this you know Mike for sure can't say this but I can say this okay Mike ear muffs could it be because it's either heavy involved with the president us which I don't think they want to do when I have the president here and I asked him the question about Iran and you know the fact that the last time the sanctions hurt Iran so much that Iran almost fell okay and it was pretty bad I said what's your you know what are you planning on doing with Iran he says we have so many problems in America right now that I got to think about me I can't do anything else so then if it goes on you guys and you said I don't want any help leave us alone don't help the left don't help the right that's kind of what you said about 5 10 minutes ago right okay what are you going to do if they're not moving what is the only option you got left I mean Revolution is the only option and that's not something anybody wants to talk about yeah but but I believe in the power of the people like we the people I I don't under underestimated that I for example people went to the streets in 2016 and we took Thea out of the the office of the presidential office so we need to go into the streets again we need to push the government because unfortunately Brazilian people only go to streets because of economy uh coffee in Brazil it's so the price is so high right now um the oil the fuel is the same uh the eggs now in Brazil it's so higher level so people are getting mad of of um people are getting mad with Lula government and that's what made what makes Brazilian people go to street but this is sad because we need to go to streets not only for economy we need to go to streets for our uh freedom for our freedom of speech but Brazil is a huge country we have a lot of brazils inside of Brazil so only economy will put us in the streets again so uh now with this uh rating uh disapproval of Lula maybe people go through streets again and push the government to maybe took Lula out and maybe put someone else over there but I don't know Brazilian have a short memory unfortunately Brazilian people has a short memory here in US you guys have a lot of guys that stood for our country that fight for the freedom and you put this in schools and universities and in Brazil all the schools and all the universities they are taken by the left so when teenager looks back to the history he doesn't know why he's fighting for so that's why he doesn't fight so Brazil it's it's a it's a very difficult country we have a huge potential we have a great natural resources our food is great we we are uh I love Brazil but unfortunately uh most of Brazilian voted for Lula just because he promised to give meat for people maybe you guys Americans don't know but there is a meat in Brazil called pic you guys maybe go to a Brazilian Stak house here delicious yeah P bra Lula he definitely said if you vote for me I'm going to give you p and and beer and that's why Brazilian people voted on him he was in jail for like more than 500 Days and people in Brazil are like okay I want P I'm going to vote for him so Brazilian people has a blame on it I know that there's a lot of in inter interference interference in election in Brazil but the culture of Brazil needs to change like we are a country that has more than 80 80 80% of Christians but we are not Christians at all so you know it's deeper the problem in Brazil That's why for example I I I made this kind of books I studied uh a lot of philosophers that says that politics it's only maybe the The Reflex of what goes in culture before so all the left in Brazil they took power of the culture so if you open the Brazilian TV you're going to see a lot of bad values they try to destroy our family only with the novels with the documentaries in our schools so it's not only the politics that needs to change in Brazil is our culture that's what I'm trying to do I mean the politics of course I do my job I do my work but in in in the other side I try to to say to Brazilian people that we need to do individuals responsibilities otherwise we are not going to change Brazil Rob can you go back to that slide you had about the price of coffee so if you look at this with price of coffee that's as of December of 2024 average monthly price of uh uh coffee in Brazil from January 2021 to December of 2024 look where it was just in 21 yeah to where it's at today and you're saying the people are feeling this yeah because coffee is is the the the most popular uh drink in Brazil so everyone drinks it so even the rich or the the poorest one he feels the the he feels the price going up and he gets mad so that that's why I'm saying people in Brazil are getting mad with Lula's administration because of that because the coffee that you drink every day is in a in in the high price maybe you can't say what us can do okay and I'm going to leave that one alone for now okay but what can the Brazilian people do okay your Clips are being played in Brazil all over the place translated Portuguese they're Senor they know who you are they're recognizing who you are when we were there your name came up a lot of times as I'm having conversations with different congress senate people that are talking what what feedback do you have to the people who are sitting there saying okay without America's help what can we do what would you say to them it's hard for me to give advice to the Brazilian people you know as an American citizen um it feels it feels a little bit outside my place I think in general the you know it's it's amazing to see the success that you've had um I too like Patrick have never seen an Instagram video with over 300 million views uh that's highly impressive uh but I think that is ultimately the path to um bringing power to the people is to make your voice heard as loud as humanly possible and and to keep turning your voice up and up and up and up and to find Partners at every conceivable level in the US uh in you know in Europe uh to you know to to wherever and and I don't mean that in an interference way I mean that simply for people around the world to hear your message this is a common interplay in these situations is you know there's the concept of the so-called International Community uh which are which are like-minded all around the world who believe in a cause or believe in a principle and the bigger that tent is the the the more the more that energizes and the more that also impacts the people in the country because they they will they will hear the media Sirens around the world who amplify that that message it it gets out and support can come from from strange places when you sing your song loud enough and I think you guys are doing the right thing in terms of in terms of that um and that's really the only thing it feels appropriate for me to to say because I think below that you start to get to issues around political organizing and feels out of place for me to to to aine on that that part of it but I think it's the it's a great advice as I was saying we we need to give power to the people that's all we we all that the tyrany wants to do with the people is to underestimate their power so our voice I never I never thought that uh maybe I can talk about John Baptist here John Baptist John Baptist doesn't know what is pbd podcast but I'm talking about him now so what we do in life as the Gladiator says Echo for all the eternity so we need to speak we need to put our voices loud and loud and loud and then maybe uh Brazil will shine bright again do you think you guys have too many political parties cuz in Congress line you got like 24 of them and then that whole center block it's what like 50% of the Congress and seems like that kind of jams a lot of things up so like are they consistent with the way they vote or do they go with like in whichever direction the winds blowing yeah the Congress is a complex team to talk here but yeah there's a lot of parties and the left uh it's it's very strategical to put a extreme left a left a modal left so to took power so they changed their faces as the demon he put as a a angel just to gain just to gain you so you have for example in Brazil a party called uh socialist and Liberty party so it it it doesn't make sense but they run with this kind of name because they are experts in propaganda yeah so yeah we need to to do um for we need to do a reform in our uh parties and elections but it's very hard because people who in charge right now now maybe if we want to do a reform it's going to go in a in a bad way can you convert anybody from that Center you think cuz it I it seems like there's some guys that maybe could pull to your side like here we only have two political parties but there if you got like several of them on in that center block and is there any potential to recruit I think the ideal maybe is to run like without a party maybe you have a Independence uh uh candidate it would be nice but parties in Brazil it's a huge uh instrument mental of power if you have a party in Brazil you are very powerful mhm so I think it's going to be very difficult to change that like let me let me ask you with kasab what do you think about Gilberto kasab you know he is he seems like he's a pretty powerful guy right now with the leader the what is it the center yeah he's the leader of the center in Brazil he has a a great space in s Paulo's government under tesu now for example bado talking to him I think one month ago go because of the people that are in jail of 8 January we need uh votes for the NY that we are fighting for these people so but but he he he he's dangerous you have a relationship with him or now no I don't I I talked to him like uh one day when I got down from my apartment he was there he said some some stuff to me and I said okay thank you and that's all I never talked to him but he's a he's a powerful man is is he a guy that has enough power and influence to help you or help osado run in 2026 or he's not a guy that's going to help osado so as I think the the center goes where where people are winning so if he thinks that bado has a chance to win he's going to be with bado if he he thinks that it doesn't he's going with Lula so he have he has photos with all the ex presidents uh in Brazil he's the the president of the the Social Democratic party uh so he goes wherever the team wins I I can't I can't say that I trust him because I I really don't but maybe like if he wants to help Bonar right now okay help is always good but of course he's going to ask something and I don't know what he's going to ask for like a favor yeah of course the center never comes without a favor and I don't know if this is favor it's uh goes um higher than our principal values um I don't know as a I don't talk to him so I'm not in the negotiation of this have you ever tried to like in the Strategic way it's hard because even though I'm the most voted Congressman in Brazil I'm only 28 and I started just right now so I put in my place like my place is here I'm doing my job if they want to talk to me I talk to anyone if maybe Lula wants to talk to me I don't know I wouldn't talk but okay but some guys I would talk because I think this is politics I didn't choose the the presidents of the parties I didn't choose the deputies that works with me I didn't choose the senates people choose that so I need to work with with the m let me let me ask you with Amazon fire is that a big issue oh is a big issue not for not for the Socialist right now because Lula Administration has all the records of fires in the Amazon right now I if you can pull up the chart Rob I texted you earlier to to make the comparison so here's what we got it shows if you go to that uh link go a little bit lower it shows you how many fires they've had look at that zoom in a little bit 44 million Acres of fire has been burned acres has been burned in Brazil just last year okay 2019 was 19 million then 19 million then 13 million then again 19 million then 27 million under Lula and then 44 million just to kind of put in perspective how much 44 million acres is Rob if you can go to the other link that shows states in America so people can kind of know 44 million acres is more than the state of Alabama more than Arkansas more than the State of Florida Florida's only 30 uh uh go a little bit higher Rob so we can show the the the top right no that's Wilder go to the third one state land area yeah right there go to the to the other way look at that go down only 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 15 states are bigger than 44 Acres 35 states in America are smaller than 44 million Acres that's fire and so what is what is l Administration saying about this is this normal to you guys how are the people reacting about this so when uh bonaro was in the presidency there were of course fires in Amazon because it's a it's a natural thing but it was very lower than right now and I need to remember you American guys that Leonardo jaio Greta uh Mark rufalo in the elections they said that bonaro were putting fire in the Amazon em Emmanuel macron for example he posted a an old photo of Amazon burning and said that was under bolsonaro Administration get out of here but it wasn't so that that is the the kind of person that we were fighting yes this is not a a photo under bolsonaro Administration but he posted posted as it was I have some some information here Patrick um in two 20 in 2024 the national Institute for space research recorded 140 uh th000 fire outbreaks in the region is the highest number since 2008 when Lula was also president so he beat his own record Additionally the legal Amazon region experienced in 2024 the highest number of fires in 17 years according to government data released in January 2025 so there there was a lot of propaganda against bolsonaro but he did a lot of things putting Army in in Amazon to stop the fire he did a lot of things but in this time all the left in the whole world was saying that we don't preserve the Amazon but there's any other there isn't any other country in the world that preserves more the environment than Brazil we don't they don't like we we do a great job even though it's a it's a tough challenge that we face in Amazon because it's huge it's huge it's a huge place but the left uh with Lula and right now we are facing the the top fires in the in all history it seems like under Lula when the fires happen it's climate change but when the fires happen under bolsonaro it's his fault he did yeah it's his fault it's all bonar's fault now uh uh socialist goes to his house and his wife is cheating on him he says bosar fault everything is Bon's fault you know in Brazil is like that I I don't think it's different here uh everything is Trump's fault right uh so next question Rob if you can pull up uh Lula's wife had a message for um for musk and brought Mike I'm coming to you after this one here so this is Lula's wife wonderful lady she is given a message to musk here go ahead and play this clip Rob [Laughter] [Applause] you what role you think X is playing in Brazilians gaining their freedom Mike what role you think X is playing I think it's I think it's enormous I think that's why they want it shut down in Brazil unless compliance measures were put in place I think that the Lula government as well as the Biden government was intensely aware that the the power of social media would be the determinant of whether or not the election would go one way or the other I uh I have quotes from the people involved in this that they believe their work censoring bolsonaro was dispositive in terms of tilting it in Lula's favor there was a personal meeting actually Lula's I think it was uh what his his first month in office at the first meeting with the B Administration it's I know you're accusing me of going back to the slideshow but uh the fact is I I think that a lot of people haven't seen this and since I know that I'm not I'm not accusing at all no my point to you was when I was when I was bringing you and Nicholas here I wanted to make sure that the people in Brazil yeah if they wanted to know how they can have freedom that's what I was saying not accusing of a slideshow if you got the slideshow I'm being cheeky no I understand play the clip uh what's this one here Mike well well what I'm what I'm showing here is this is the this is uh okay so this is February uh 2023 so I guess this was there there's a joint statement following the meeting between president Biden and uh and president Lula I think this was their first meeting after the 2022 election so today President Biden and and president Lula uh during the meeting they discussed the nature of the US Brazil relationship strengthening democracy go to the next slide Biden and Lula pledged to work together to strengthen Democratic institutions which means strengthen these control networks um and reaffirmed their intention to build societal resilience to disinformation and to work together on that so Biden and Lula talked about the need to stop online disinformation and agreed to work together uh this is you know when I go back to this coordination between the White House the state department the Pentagon the CIA the ngos this is part of an inter agency working group to control the internal politics of Brazil and that money is still flowing and it's not just usaid they're the biggest money spigot but I'll I'll give you some other examples because I'm actually fascinated about what something Nicholas just said about the fires but um maybe I'll I'll start with with uh if you if you go to slide uh this is I think 24 24 25 yeah yeah next one sorry 25 or yeah 25 can you blow that up okay so here's just one Rob can you zoom in a little bit like even more does it allow you or no uh it doesn't look like it allow all good go for Mike yeah so um would you say the unions are more Pro bolsonaro or Pro Lula in Brazil it's a union candidate yeah yeah all things unions so here's a $12 million uh depart US Department of Labor that's my wallet Patrick your wallet US citizens paying 12 million to the unions in Brazil so I'm going to I'm going to read some of these details okay what 12 million yes and this was granted right after the uh this was I think the grant date for this was start date was December 2022 right after the 2022 elections it almost feels like a payoff for some reason but here you go let me let me read this okay so $22 million I'm sorry $12 million given um uh and you'll see the and in fact if you go to the next uh if you go to the one right after you'll see uh and yeah so Brazil and one more over we we'll come back to that in a sec you'll see just so you know you see the numbers here right this is on usaspending.gov you can look this up publicly it's still active Brazilian unions Lula's unions are still getting paid by you and me they are taking money from us we are capacity building and let's let's I'll read you I'll read you the technical reason they say why so if you go back to two slides again let's just read this okay so this is the purpose is to improve respect for labor rights and uh participatory planning with unions in Brazil again this is the Bureau of International labor Affairs at the Department of Labor direct financial support for workers organizing uh build cross movement networks with civil society organization allies uh representing marginalized populations that mobilize increased capacity of worker organizations to organize mobilize and you know Advocate on their own behalfs here um populations and beneficiaries are in Brazil workers and unions with a focus on AFR Brazilian young and women workers um and and there there's tie-ins to the indigenous uh sex in in Brazil which which the US state department made a made a very big play for um which sort of gets me to some of the the uh Amazon Fire elements here but this this is stock standard that we've been we've been funding the Lula machine from every direction from the state department from usaid from the Department of Labor from the National Endowment for democracy solidarity Center can can I can I go off on this for a second okay I mentioned there's four core fours for for the our top CIA cut out the national down for democracy which by the way and you can even you know if if you can go to my ex timeline if or you look it up either way you know this is a direct quote from the founder of the National Endowment for democracy at their founding that the reason that that they were created was because the CIA used to get in trouble for running financial assistance to political opposition groups and it it looks terrible when the CIA is seen as subsidizing them that's why the endowment was created the national end for democracy was created so that it the funding could be provided without CIA fingerprints on it and the so Ned has these four core fours that I've been talking about right I for the Republican side ndi for the Democrat side they have one for the Chamber of Commerce basically business interest in the region where we do political Dirty Work they will basically benefit in some way from the new government the fourth one is called the solidarity center it's the Ci's work with unions the solidarity Center's closest partner by Far and Away Bar None is the group that used to be known uh by democrats in the 1960s and and '70s who hated their partnership with the Central Intelligence Agency they used to call it the AFL CIA uh it's known widely as the AFL CIO it's the largest Union in the US it has International branches that have served for 70 years as the union arm of the Central Intelligence Agency when we go to when we go to Topp of government we always go for the workers we always go because a a government can only wield the power of its own industrial base they it relies on the Mine Workers it relies on the uh it relies on the transportation workers it relies on the Dock Workers it relies on the media and the hospital workers if we can penetrate the workforce we can cause the whole country to come to a standstill and then the police are out of luck the military are out of luck they don't have hospitals working anymore they don't have toilets working anymore they don't have uh energy resources anymore and so so the solidarity Center you know this you know gets its name for the solidar movement which you know was you know Le wesa this was the Polish uh you know Union group that liberated Poland from from communism and you know during the Cold War but that you know they were they were handed bags of cash by the Central Intelligence Agency during that process and this is a blueprint that we do all around now it was done against left-wing socialist uh countries during the Cold war primarily but now it's being done to right-wing populist uh movements this is this this boomerang that we're living in now but the solidarity centers basically you know the aflcio is is the is the main arm of the solidarity Center and the AFL CIO if you you can look this up before before we get back to this this grant look up um the AFL CIO and who they named as man of the year I believe it was in 2021 2022 yeah put put Lula or put you can yeah put Lula there you'll see this is the uh they well they gave the award here Lula like or scroll down yeah that's the one one right but that's 2019 oh 2019 yes okay yeah 2019 huh right after this is a photo of people in the front of the the deal SE where he he he is in prison right yes yes that's right yes aflcio LED that to to uh to get Lula yeah the US Union who works with the CIA around the world in its International branches they this is 2019 this is one year into bolsonaro's term they were big they were grooming him for the task practically and they are our biggest union now hold on go go to the Molly ball article look up um look up the Molly bball article uh in in Time Magazine and I want to show you something really interesting uh T no yeah Time Magazine uh it you should put in right-wing fever dream or fortified elections you may remember this is one of the those famous articles of the past several years so is Trump just unaware of this at this time because this is still under Trump oh yeah well this is yes he got rolled by the national down for democracy he got rolled by USA ID and that is why they are uh so okay here you go the secret history of the Shadow campaign that save the 2020 election you remember this oh yeah can you hit control actually just scroll down I believe it's the scroll down scroll scroll down right below the fold okay let me read this there was a conspiracy unfolding this is Time Magazine they all admitted to this publicly there was a conspiracy unfolding behind the scenes one that curtailed that both curtailed the protest and coordinated the resistance from CEOs both surprises were the result of an informal alliance between left-wing activists and business Titans also some right-wing internationalist Republican business Titans The Pact was formalized in a turst little notice joint statement of the US Chamber of Commerce and a L CIO they had protests ready to go to shut down the US government if Trump won in a faen square election you can look all this up this was a blueprint that was planned out you find it on my X feed I have it or where we can go straight to the source documents if you go to my X feed and you type in tip and uh and BLM you'll see this they they had this whole thing planned out they had or just type in clear Trump win clear Trump win that'll get two okay or scroll down uh down the source document serve or you can do um uh like BLM we'll get you there too yeah there you go scroll down yeah right there okay so so this so actually before I read this if you click on the thread you'll see you'll see the the the the context for this yeah right there scroll up a little bit or yeah up a little okay all right maybe it's a different go down you you'll see in the in I have on on my timeline the clear Trump but this is the transition Integrity project Rosa book Brooks I think under secretary for policy for in the p in Biden's uh Obama's Pentagon they had uh got together with military intelligence officials and the the former heads of both the DNC and RNC Michael steel Donna Brazil that whole network they planned what to do in the event of quote a clear Trump win this is scenario three here everyone can look up the source document it's all over I I think I have this The Source link right there and we can click on that right after this but here but let me let's start here a show of numbers in the streets and action in the streets may be the decisive factors and determining how the public perceives of so what they talk about is leveraging the BLM protesters because they did this in the height of the George Floyd riots they said hey we we're going to run this war game if Trump wins how can we still make sure if he wins the election how do we stop his inauguration and look what they do in this war game they they the person playing role playing Joe Biden who was John podesta in this in this uh uh who was the one at the meeting who role played this says that they presupposed that the Democrats would be able to use black lives matter Street muscle as a destabilizing protest force and the union workers and the the whole aflcio network and that basically the recommendation because this is going to come down to action the streets is that they need to better test the likely rep receptivity to a Biden call to take to the streets or a Biden campaign's ability to control these actors once mobilized these are this is the BLM control these the campaign's ability to to wield them and so what they propose is to build strong ties and grassroot uh to build strong ties and be responsive to blm's demands that way BLM will ow will owe them a favor they talk in this same thing and you can click the hyperlink so you see this was I think Boston heral who reported this the the they have the source document right here type contrl f for Clear Trump win yeah here it is this is this is this is the word yeah and just yeah click again and you'll get to the second one you'll see this is what this all fall under okay how to stop Trump from taking office if he wins fair and square and and what they called for was uh enhancing resources to the black lives matter resource uh black lives matter which by the way is exactly what the Chamber of Commerce did remember those billions of dollars from Big corporations then lo and behold there's this Secret agement which doesn't get published until 6 months after the or months after the election and who was actually the one who was going to be mobilizing all of these shutdown DC protests oh it's the cia's top Union arm the AFL CIO who's behind the same thing in Brazil and by the way let me get the kicker here I mentioned there's four core fours for Ned right the iri ndi solidarity Center you know what the fourth one is it's called CPE the center for International Private Enterprise you know what that is that's the CIA Lea on to the Chamber of Commerce the exact two groups the AFL CIO and the Chamber of Commerce who teamed up had a agreement published in Time Magazine to oust Trump if he won the election in 2020 teamed up through the National Endowment for democracy working in Brazil that ousted bolsonaro and and if you remember they were the ones who were training the judges they were the ones who ran that whole network ndi they set up a whole Coalition it was called d4d designed for democracy spun a spiders web around virtually every Brazilian institution around information control Patrick I have a question for Mike can I do that Mike do do do you fear for your life because you are denouncing CIA and the whole scheme do you fear for her life I think assassinations are a lot rarer nowadays um they've moved towards prosecutors as a much cleaner way to do it um there's been a lot of blowback from assassinations and they're they're upset about they're very upset about it uh the the blowback you know there's you know the interesting case of JFK for example and even today the sensors talk about you know conspiracy theories about the CIA may be assassinating you know was published in the late 90s during the declassifications that the CI was you know opening Lee Harvey Oswald's mail before he received it because they had a Counter Intelligence Probe on him but what I'm what I'm getting at is is it's very messy when you take out a high-profile figure in an assassination it's it's messy because whenever there's a tilt of power there are attempts to try to get transparency if you read the CI assassination guide which i' which I've done on my ex account and and you know it's it's very funny this this came out during the church committee hearings and actually came out in the 1990s during the jfkd classifications but um you know they they talk about how it's imperative to to make sure that there's only casual investigation afterwards and that these things don't have long memories in terms of investigation and uh you know and it was it was outlawed and these things are never done directly by the agency it's always through contractors other groups but what they've moved towards is judicial assassination that's that's the clean way to do it you get you get them accused of a crime you throw them away for the rest of their life what they try you know with Trump with you know what they're doing to bolsonaro and um it was my expectation that that was going to happen to me eventually whether it was going to be you know under the Biden Administration with the I mean I saw practically everyone you know everyone else who made impact uh uh be arrested by Merrick Garland and his goons uh I I thank the Lord every day that you that that justice department um has been replaced because I I think you know the the joke I say is that you know throw me away for 30 years for premeditated jaywalking they would find a reason and it's as good as assassination um but I don't that doesn't matter to me I I would I feel a deep sense of purpose um I'm I'm happy that there's an audience now for the things I talk about but I was doing it I do it throw me in a jail cell and and I'll be you know I'll I'll finish my book or or I'll try to convince the other people in the prison the I can't turn this off even if I wanted to so it doesn't really feel like it trust to me thank you my question for you so this the this the part where when I was Brazil it made me think about Iran uh us they've had seven constitutional last 100 years these guys have had it right we have the oldest constitution in the world 193 out of 195 countries in the world have a constitution ours is the oldest right let's go back to 2020 or 2024 when they wanted to remove him off the Ballon in Colorado yeah 2023 2024 you remember when it was when they were saying removing them off the batt in Colorado how different would it have been and how different are we from Brazil if we didn't have the Supreme Court 63 what if it was 63 the other way around if it was 63 the other way around and say we didn't have Senate and we didn't have let's just kind of go exactly the situation they're in in Brazil right now because they're they have all three on the other side right and that's why cassab Gilberto was such a powerful man because everybody needs to give him favors and that's what he means by whatever the big favors I don't know how big of a favor he going to ask bado but what what if we were 63 are do we have that fickle of a system that if the left had extremist of Supreme Court justices they could have removed them off the ballot would that could that have been a possibility oh yeah I mean if you remember they try to this is this is like they try I mean this is this is like stock standard right I mean this is what's happening in Romania with the Georgia SK election in terms of you know nullifying it I mean whether you remove at the ballot so you can't vote for it or you nullify the election after after he wins I mean they're both the same thing that you can't run uh if if you're winning I mean it's basically the you know the rule and this is why it's terrifying that usaid and these other you know intelligence and statecraft Affiliated NGO swarms go right for the jugular targeting the embs targeting the targeting the Electoral you know and and judicial organs around deciding elections and uh you know and election processes and election results you know I I I have uh I have I hate to say it but I have slides on all this but you know prepared if you want to see straight from the horse's mouth what what those what that looked like because USA you know was doing the same thing and they they even you know some of these slides that I have here you they were getting 12 12 countries embs in a room at once you know for example in in the US are the the Big Em is the Supreme Court and they decided the result of uh you know Bush Vore when there was the you know the Florida hanging ballot you know hanging chad situation you know Brazil they have a different structure they have their you know their stf and then they've got their subc Court the tsse and so they went for the Jugger tsse but as you'll see but they also train the stf in fact if you want to pull the slide deck back up and uh you know hop on over to uh yeah if you start it started uh yeah how about slide here you go what is this what number is this yeah slide seven Mike why don't you just put the phone up on the on the on the desk it looks like you're looking at something else every time you look then it's very inappropriate I don't know if you see visually it's not a good look buddy okay all right all right next one okay so you'll see here again this is ifas again this is the state department uh this is they get fully funded by the US state department they implement the USA ID's programs the USA partner and implementer on all things elections there working with another judge here Jose G Berto scandi so now we've got boso uh demaras scandi working directly with the seps US aid program and which is one of the most terrifying things but go to the next slide here real quick okay uh well actually let's stay on that for a second this is another example of of how us money continues to corrupt Brazil's democracy here covid they went after bolaro for questioning covid and not ding the VAC so this is inter news internews gets half a billion dollars a year from us taxpayers wow the uh the founder of internews talks about how um you know they had to constantly explain to uh uh to people in in foreign countries that no we're not the CIA we're we're we're not C media we're we're just funded by the US government and we're directing this so internews is uh it has a network of about 6,000 different media organizations they train 9,000 journalists around the world they're basically a worldwide operation Mockingbird apparatus for the US state department to be able to create a symphony of media in foreign countries who runs it who who runs it well actually if you pull up the clip of uh of the CEO of just type in CEO go to like X and just type uh CEO internews Advertiser and you'll see this was very viral Elon was uh you know livid at this as everyone should be because I've been talking about internews is their huge role in Internet censorship because they use the state Department's media apparatus to push Advertiser boycotts and all sorts of yeah if you start from the again it's just 28 seconds you'll see this is the this is the CEO of inter news right here disinformation makes money and it that's one of them we need to follow that money and we need to work with the in particularly the global advertising industry that a lot of those dollars go to pretty bad bad content um and so you can work really hard on exclusion lists or inclusion list just to really try to focus ad dollars and challenge the global advertising industry all around the world to focus our ad dollars towards the The Good the good news and information The Good the accurate and relevant news and information so that's the general of effectively the CIA state Department usaid media octopus with thousands of tentacles around the world now here's Brazil here's inter news in Brazil okay because media promotes censorship in these countries and that legitimizes the passage of anti- misinformation laws that when when judges act corrupt people don't take to the streets because internews media is saying that's what they should have done in fact internews will put pressure on governments if they don't censor uh you know what the state department wants censor there so here's what they did in Co they created a program in Brazil called rooted in trust you see is a global pandemic information response program countering the unprecedented and scale and speed and spread of rumors and misinformation project focuses on you know see Lebanon Mali Columbia Sudan Brazil they have a whole section on Brazil in this report as well you look at the highlights so far routed and Trust has tracked more than 19,000 rumors about the virus 14 languages 81 million people in response to the unique rumors sourced from each country context the project is produced to of 130 rumor bulletins 500 radio broadcast and 480 other media stories to go uh through through a series of training opportunities events peer-to-peer networks and grants Rudin trust has has uh sponsored 550 local media organizations 350,000 people four almost 5,000 listening groups for this all to to basically ban the ability to question but again what I would say is this is why they lost this is why Trump won what I'm trying to ask you and I want to stay on this one topic they won because Elon allowed us to talk about this they don't have that I that and that's where I'm going so so where I'm going is for you okay we live in the states right my concern was if we didn't have Supreme Court they could have removed Trump off the ballot if they would have done that in Colorado and a couple other states would have gone then it would have been Mayhem cuz Supreme Court from your point of view how different is Brazil than us when it comes down to this you may say well no what you guys have in America's XY we don't have this in Brazil what is that yeah I think the the Supreme Court I think is the main problem because in Brazil the we have 11 judges and I think only two of them only two of them was indicated by bonaro so all the other ones was indicated or by Jimma or Lula or Tamir who indicated alexand Mor so the Supreme Court I think it happens in maybe in the majority countries of Latin America um as Mike said that there is a different type of assassination there's a different type of tyranny because if the president stands as a attorney as a dictator Maybe people will go to the streets will take him out and his power is over but when you put this to a judge who says that he's fighting for democracy he's fighting for Freedom he's fighting against uh this misinformation so they they sell this as a a good thing so the Supreme Court in Brazil they they decide everything so that's the the biggest problem we can't do anything against them we can't do like if I appeal I'm going to appeal to who if Alexander Deon decides what I'm able to do that's what I'm saying nothing nothing we can't do nothing they decide in the covid uh uh pandemic they they made a 24 by S uh all the day the traditional media was saying that bonaro was a genocide that he was responsible for all the deaths and we couldn't say anything anything uh not against the covid but we couldn't say anything about we couldn't question if the mask was was a great thing to use for for our health for example uh there was a lot of measures that the go the the the cities in the governments did for example these schools were closed one more than one and a half years people didn't go to school the entire country or some places it was open the entire country the entire country for example people uh could go only to churches but if there was a space between them but there was a lot of favellas in Brazil for example that has a had a lot of par is over there and anyone uh cared about it so where I was born is a fava and there people were working as a criminal if if someone was uh maybe selling something and the police comes to there he would be fine by that so you can work in the pandemic uh not in the in the time schedule that the government said okay you can be open to 8: to 5:00 p.m. only so it was a time in Brazil that I confess me as a Brazilian I thought that maybe would the pandemic uh would take like one month two months but it took like almost two years because Brazil we play football in the weekends we play we go to uh we go to Shas we go to the barbecue like we live so I thought that no Brazil is not going to stay at home for one year for two years but a lot of people stayed at home uh in that time I was a city councelor in my city Batton and I made a lot of uh denounces a lot of appointments about covid and I was very um uh persecuted oh yes I was very persecuted because of that and in in the media in that time I saw that was was very well uh planed to attack bonaro and now we see that a lot of things that he was saying he was right he always says that I didn't make any mistake about covid because everything that he said he was right people couldn't work so uh how they they could put uh um food on their tables he was the only president that didn't take the vaccination in the world that's pretty wild yeah to think about being the only president that how's your relationship with him how are you guys together yeah I'm fine if I call him now I don't know what time is in Brazil yeah is 10:00 maybe he answered me if I if I call him right now yeah we we I'm I'm in this since to since 2015 so I know him for a very long time and he was always he's very friendship with me he's very kind with me he knows who I am he knows my heart he knows my family like I have a wife two kids right now I just know this for one month that I'm father we will be father again so he knows that I'm I'm I'm trying to do my best sometimes I make mistakes I'm only 28 years old 28 years old but he's a he's a great guy's you've spoken to him since he got the charge against him last week yeah we have a we have a meeting uh with uh with all the deputies the conservative deputies and we have a we had a great talk do you think it was weird timing how that came out like shortly after but it's funny because bado I can say that with no with no problem because he knows that he's a crazy dude like as a trump he's a crazy dude he he's very genuine so when the the news came out that he was like 38 years the now for for jail he was like I don't don't care like he was like okay I don't care I'm fine H he knows what he got into do you think that was a response to us being there though and and um giving him a platform to speak on that could reach that's awesome I uh Patrick said okay we we did a a podast with an interview with bado um he asked me maybe did he like it I was like how long was that three hours I said okay he definitely like it because he likes to speak when he likes the person so if he stayed 3 hours with you guys he like it a lot he's a he's a very tough guy uh of course uh he's not perfect uh he was the president of Brazil in a very difficult and hard time the whole world was in a pandemic stuff but he gives hope to to Brazilians wa what's what's the part about now okay with messaging you going around talking everybody else going around talking dardo being here talking who's like the part where I was trying to figure out with everybody that's there with Alexandra de moras right he just got off of X we saw that that was a few days ago whether he got off of X or he was kicked out of X I think it's the reality that he got off who does he fear like what does Alexandra de moras who's he go to sleep worried about who's he fearing I don't I don't know but one thing that I can uh I can be sure about that is that he doesn't have peace I have more freedom than him even than even if he put me in jail I have more freedom than him because he can't walk in Brazil he can't he can't go to an airport he can't go to the to the downtown of s Paulo he can't walk because people hate him because of what he's doing because uh Brazil we have a lot of issues in Brazil serious issues of of criminal uh uh organizations we have problems with education we have econom problems and like the judge of our Supreme Court is worri about bolsonaro of a coup that never existed so we are like come on do your job go go go go be a constitution control Court not a PO political court so people are very mad with him because he's not doing his job he's a politician he's a politician in charge you know who Mike who do you think he fears because when he and X went back and forth it wasn't it didn't seem like he backed down I mean I think at one point if I'm not mistaken Elon had to fire everybody from X and then he had to rehire some people back from X in Brazil to make sure they were in a safe place so who does alesandro Fear oh nobody you're being serious sure I agree with you that's why I'm asking a question who gets in his way what if all that money gets pulled that you know you're were talking about the 12 million um there's billions here and there what if all that money gets pulled because it seems like a lot of the strength they're exerting comes from that that needs to be done immediately and how much of it's left after usaid's been pulled away well it comes from a lot of places you have these Pentagon relationships between the US Military and the Brazilian Army uh you have these you know these State Department uh grants to the region which are huge remember usaid is getting folded into a state so you have the state department on then you also have the active a Aid ones that need to be cut not just paused but cut uh you have the Department of Labor ones you're probably going to have Department of energy ones um you're going to have weird you know juicing of uh you know of of the universities you know through through some of some of these other Grant organs as well there's um you know all of that uh you know is is one thing that at least creates a fair fight like I brought up for example the $112 million Grant to Lula's unions right uh right after the you know right after the 2022 election the solidarity Center G just gave like a $7 million Grant to the unions the um you know that's tens of millions of dollars you are you're capturing essentially you know you're you're pumping up this this is not this is not bolsonaro who's getting tens of millions of dollars from it um and so that also makes people ideology is a funny thing you know sometimes people are True Believers most of the time hearts and minds work is about cash you know I always call it hearts and minds and cash because you're you know you're not you're only really sort of getting the tail end of people through hearts and Minds when they when they read the news you usually it's Downstream of their cultural leaders their Community leaders their politicians their you know significant people of note in the country and if you capture them with cash you get the whole you know hearts and Minds behind that and so uh you take you take the coup cash out of Brazil I think you will see a much fairer fight and I think that people will be more responsive to their own people because they will not have a foreign you know source of funds that are basically telling them uh you know advising you know what the judges should do I mean and again getting back to that USA seeps program they literally said in the launch uh launch event of the program that it one of its per its purposes was to make the you know the the partner networks feel supported by the US government you know so uh you one of the reasons that you've had this you know I think this perception that there's nothing to fear you know from any sort of Anger of Americans against what Brazil did is because they had the support of the Biden Administration the US Embassy didn't do squat when that happened you remember I posted every day day 27 day 28 here is what the US Embassy page here's their Twitter account they're posting about you know uh disabled gymnast in Brazil and uh you know how we need uh you know to support the lgbtqia to Plus+ rock climbers in Brazil as the as ex a major US champion was shut down and as starlink a major US military contractor had its asset seized and as they began to you know potentially move into the Chinese um you know Chinese Starling competitor into that this is the sort of thing we have a state department to stop from happening and the state department was you know their silence in combined with the fact that they have formal State Department programs to make this happen formal USA programs to make this happen you have a you know Biden and Lula colluding on it um they wanted that to happen they were supported for that to happen the seps program literally says that the plan is to get foreign countries to implement legal and Regulatory measures to go after the social media companies to force accountability on them it's a question um do you think any of that money makes its way to the uh politicians in the Senate this could be a question for both of you so like Senators people in the house could that us AES right anything like that like that seem seems like there's a lot of potential for that so like could that be things that are motivating people are in the center that seem to go whichever direction the wind's blowing if you follow the money um I I'm sure that you're going to find this money on these senators in the families of the senators of deputies of course there lot of guys that look like they have a lot more money than you'd expect them to have we have that in our Congress so yeah the Supreme Court uh our Supreme Court judges they have a lot of uh watches that it's way more than his salary like pek Philip for example Lula for example he had a lot of ters the name in Brazil that the left did the propaganda on Lula was he's the father of the pores he's the father of the pores it's beautiful right it's good catchphrase yeah but he has a he has a huge patrimony and that's funny because look the Socialists in Brazil they hate us they hate us Lula before the elections he was calling Trump naisy so call La na no na na Nazi sorry oh Nazi na yeah not na Nai Nazi so before the elections Lula was calling Trump a Nazi so socialist in Brazil they hate um the us but now they're finding out that the taxpayers of the US are um sponsorship yeah subsid the yeah the Socialist in Brazil so Americans need to denounce this like in Mass they wouldn't be happy if that money got pulled either CU then that you know whole uh Union program they have wouldn't be able to function of course but that's what the Socialist in the the whole history do they take the other money people to their own uh money plan or the their their plan of power but they are doing this with your money like your hard work at money so it's it's crazy to to a to a government that is socialist I I don't have a I don't have any doubt that Lula doesn't care about us they care about their own interest they care about China wherever but they don't care about us it's it's nice Mike if you could speak to Brazilian people uh why it's so uh different and why it's so good to have uh conservative presidents in Brazil to make relationship with us and how bad it is is it to have Lula for example in the presidency of Brazil because I think Brazil is a is a country that matters to us I think my opinions on this are not hard to tease out from what I say but I do feel it is inappropriate for me to you know my mission is about speech freedom okay and in the course of that I talk about all these adjacent things I talk about the unions and the universities and all these other things because that's important to understand how the apparatus why they were doing the censorship and and the other things you related to that operation but you know that's for the Brazilian people to decide and I think what was done to bolsonaro was a human rights violation it was the sort of thing that we typically put sanctions on foreign countries uh for doing in terms of uh you know destroying the the Democratic process is what we have democracy promotions programs to stop when when countries arrest their political opponents you know when they you know when their when their court system get corrupt that's why we have a Judicial reform mandate for usaid is when court systems get too corrupt to use the carrots and sticks of our diplomatic sphere to get them to course correct their Judiciary in this case we literally did it to them you know we we said you're not corrupt enough you need to get more corrupt and you know this is but this is a testament to the corruption we had in our own country under the Biden Administration and in the beginning this happened under Trump's nose part of this is because usaid does not not have to report to the president when they do these these uh these type of operations unlike the CIA they do not need to get a presidential finding for covert action they can simply earmark the funds for humanitarian relief in Pakistan and then just run it through contractors to do things uh you know in in Brazil and I think the Trump administration had so much going on with Russia gate and you know and and everything else happening at DHS and the border and Co um and the they frankly didn't really know how the anatomy of of the of the Beast that they were that they were operating on uh this is why I'm so encouraged that usaid was you know targeted in in this way right out the gate uh so that at least you stop the the the bleeding and you go you know straight to the heart of it which leads to you know all the other malfeasant in the Intel world and its state and and DOD but um you know the yes but but that is for the Brazilian people to decide but I'm I'm interested obviously in the human rights angle as a Brazilian I'm just going to give a tip to Trump's government there's a lot of things that the Supreme Court's judges uh have here in us they have a lot of things here assets it's it's just a tip because as you said who they fear I think they fear to lose money I think they fear to lose power I think they want to come here to us for for some reason and I think uh truly I think the only Power instead of the people that can put a an end of this tyranny or maybe to reduce the power of our Supreme Courts is Trump uh ad Administration doing not for Revenge but doing what is is right because I agree with Mike there was a a right human violation with bolsonaro not only bolsonaro but with the Brazilian people because we all that I want is not that bonaro becomes presidents with um with bad resources I want that we have a fear election that's all that we want we want fear elections so I I'm sure if there was a free a fear election in Brazil in 2022 Bonar would be the president M so that's all that we want if there was a free election your say Bonar would be president yeah for sure final thoughts before we wrap up Nicolas final thoughts before we wrap up the podcast your optimism your future what's you're thinking what's going to happen next between now and election time Brazil where's your mind what are you thinking so I'm I'm going to give a different answer maybe because everyone talks about politics if as it was the the last resource in the world as a Christian as I said to you in that table I think my hope died 2,000 years ago he resurrected from the cross and that's where I put all of my faith and my belief I think that we as as human beings we need to take care about our individual responsibilities I think we need as a man need to be great husbands I need that the woman women need to be great wives we need to create children's that has moral values we need to know that we are creating children not to to aim a good professional uh job but we are raising a soul and I think it changes everything because I can maybe go to jail maybe they can pers they can persecuted me for my words but all that this word can do to me if they kill me is to meet my savior so I need I think that all the conservatives need not only to defend not only to speak but to live what they are defending for I'm not only conservative because it's good for me to get in votes I am conservative I'm a Christian because otherwise I would be very far from here I don't know where else I would be I was born in a fava my my cousin was a drug dealer in there so maybe my path would be very bad but Christ saved me for this so when I talk about politics of course I have enemies I have the the the opposite guys that try to put me in jail and try to censorship me but I look to them with eyes of compassion I think we need to do this more I was reading um a book like one week ago and there was there was a king called philippin and he was walking down the streets and then he saw a a robber and this Rob robber was going to prison and then he said there goes Philipino if if if wasn't the grace of the Lord so I think if we put this in our life either in politics or in the podcast we need to have purpose in life like us for example um I read a lot about the American history and I know that abzi Theodor Dono they left Frankfurt School they came to here they enter in the universities after that they their ideas came to the the gospels and this re reverbs reverberated in Brazil now unfortunately a lot of uh uh um churches in Brazil they have a lot of false Christians they have a lot of people that are socialists but they don't know so that's our true War our cultural war of course I can put bonaro in charge we can have the Senate we can have the Congress okay that's fine but there are a lot of uh places that has powers that changes your heart maybe here in us an an artist that goes top of Spotify has more influence in their life of your children than a father has in their own children so we can't only be conservatives because it's good for us in the elections we need to be conservatives because our life depends of this that's what I I I'm aiming for my life to be a to be a good father to be a good husband to be a good politician and my aim is to go to heaven that's all that I want so that's what I thing for my life you know uh I it's a pleasure to be here Patrick thank you thank you Mike for sorry Brandon thank you Brandon I never thought that I would be here talking about politics because it's very far from what I think I deserve MH but I'm glad to be here and I put God on this because I think he can truly transform people well listen just from spending the time with you the first time we did a podcast here with Paulo yourself who who else was on Eduardo and one other person uh gu was Gustavo was here awesome yes and we had a great conversation and then in Brazil while I'm out there we're having dinner no camera on we had you and homberto we got to give a shout out to homberto remember homberto the guy he's awesome where is he he's in Chile right now okay we're going I love you Roberto HTO HTO HTO Umberto I love you man let me tell you he loves you too afterwards he said that was a says that's why I like this guy but uh uh no no wonder you are loved because of where you're at with your values and uh everybody feels the same way I'm excited to see what happens with you bado's interview drops in Wednesday morning 900 a.m. we have the clip but we'll show we'll show it on Wednesday Rob let it just play on Wednesday it's going to be fine and Mike I got to thank you as much of a hard time as give I give to you you know uh I I I consume what you talk about because the reality the reason why it's that question with d Dan Bonino and cash and all that other stuff I'm hoping there's an announcement you're getting hired I think if I'm on that part I would hire a guy like you to bring you in you have a little bit too much knowledge that you can't be wasted and not only you have that knowledge the part that makes you even special that's tough to do I talked to a guy today who's training my son for soccer 11 years old he's been playing soccer and he's obsessed with soccer he came up here to train my son he lives an hour and a half away this is a very well-known trainer and I called him I said so tell me what is your impression of my son when he gets trained he says I got to tell you the first thing I do is I have to make sure a person's kid is not playing soccer because the parents want him to play soccer right yeah he says your son isn't playing soccer because of you he's playing soccer because he loves the game yeah I said trust me if it was up to me he'd play baseball because I like baseball more than I like soccer I said I want him to play baseball because we own a team I'd like him to one day play for a team that I own so he can you know have fun but this guy loves the game I said I can't stop him talking about soccer with what he's doing and he's a big Neymar guy he's a big Ronaldo guy we live next to Messi so he's had a chance to meet Messi and he's met a lot of different people but the reason why you need to be in is because you give me The Vibes that you can't stop thinking about this stuff this is you you can't help yourself you're obsessed with this God is using you with this I just hope the US government uses you as well for this next phase and if not anything you said something very powerful I just want to be useful and I respect that this is the second time we spent time together you seem very sincere I'm glad you're on our side and keep digging and finding things that you find because half the stuff you showed me I've not seen it before so I'm following and I'm getting smart every time I hear you speak I appreciate your last minute getting on a flight and coming out here and being with us well likewise and you know your leadership on this I think is going to encourag millions of people you know on this and uh thanks for having us on was a great great conversation yeah and Brandon we got to give a shout out to Brandon who got I've not met many people in my life that got a Bachelor's degree in National Security and a master's in National Security this guy devours the stuff and he was in Brazil with us as well gang for those of you that are Brazilian if you know go show the support you know the books that this man has wrote this handsome man everybody is saying he looks like Marcelo from SNL he looks like Marcel the comedian Rob can you pull up Marcelo from SNL pull up Marcelo from SNL for people to realize Marcelo right there what he is he is one of the biggest comedians in America for SNL maybe maybe one of the funniest guys in the world I I would put Vinnie as very funny but this guy's up there as well phenomenal work that he does you guys look like your twins if not cousins or Rel that looks like your brother right there it really looks like man and by the way he's the the Best comedian on SNL the Best comedian on SNL again um gang follow the story stay close to everybody Brazil us share this message with other people as well God bless everybody take care bye- bye bye- bye