so we've gone into the details of what your treatment protocol would look like with the diet or the fasting and the the pulsing of the drug the dawn I'm curious now how long obviously it's going to depend on the type of cancer and and how invasive it is and how long it's been there and a lot of different factors but if somebody is trying a protocol like this how long typically do they need to do something like this to get to a point when they can you know go to a diet and lifestyle to manage the cancer at that point versus all these other things yeah no it's hard it's a good question I I don't know um well I mean what are your choices I mean what are your choices uh well pump someone could say listen I don't want to do that I don't want to do that for the rest of my life and the answer is you might not have to do that but we can't be 100 sure uh about that let me give you let me give you an example from a couple of one case published Pablo Kelly and the other case uh from an individual that that I know um uh from Norway and uh he's he did a big film on this and it's all in no region um Terry Jay from Norway and he we have two examples of what the question exactly to address address your question Pablo um took no radiation no chemo no steroids uh his tumor continued to grow for three years slowly slowly though he was in a carnivore kind of Keto uh mostly meats and stuff and eventually it grew to the point where he had to have it debunked cut out because we all looked and said it's not it's not be this diet alone without drug is not causing your tumor to regress completely so he had it to both first they said it was a non-operable tumor it was inoperable so you wouldn't be able to get it all out then after three years of ketogenic metabolic therapy they looked out of the CAT scan MRI and says oh this thing might be uh the bolt more completely than it was three years earlier so he said okay so he gets the tumor out and they the neurosurgeon the surgeon said we think we got most of it oh okay so Pablo thinks he's out of the woods um goes back not to uh the same kind of he was keeping his glucose Ketone index pretty good around 2.0 or below after the debulking surgery they said oh he looks like we got a lot of the tumor out so he started to transition back to a more carbohydrate kind of diet and then the next MRI about um I don't know six or eight months later showed growth um of the tumor so put the fear of God in him and he went right back onto a more restricted diet and you could see the damn tumor the image is going down now after another three years the tumor was continued to grow and grow very slowly and debunked so we said two debulking surgeries um he's out over eight years of survival he's gotten married has two children he would have not had any of that had he had he done the standard of care up front so the question is will he have to use the rest of his life and he so far he hasn't taken Don or uh and bendazole or some of the other drugs that we know can work on this he's very comfortable the way he's doing the other the other fellow from had melanoma from Norway and he could actually see the lesions on his leg get bigger the more the more carbs he took in and when he stopped the carbs that he could actually see the lesions going down I mean it was like he had the pictures of going up and going down it's unbelievable so he said listen if I want that tumor out of my body I got to stop taking these carbohy hydrates so he switched over his diet two meats and all kinds of things but very very low in carbohydrates and he's he he's fine I mean he's been out years now and um he he knows that this may come back but he just prefers to change his diet and lifestyle so it doesn't come back and that's the individual choice that people are going to have to make does that mean you have to drop out of society just so you don't have your tumor grow no it doesn't I mean he's perfectly interactive with all kinds of people and conventions and and lectures and all kinds of stuff so but I think you really probably have to really restrict uh the kinds of foods that make your blood sugar go up um I think that's the safest way but you're rolling the dice and and I have no idea whether someone who has managed their cancer for several years without a recurrence they really feel good about their life their health and then all of a sudden they they want to go back and enter into a diet that has a lot of carbs in it most of the time and I don't know uh what we can say about we haven't had enough uh examples and Publications to show let's take two groups of people one's metabolically managed doing really really well another group that was met about public managed really really well let's keep these guys on their same diet lifestyle and let's let these guys return to the way they were before they had cancer and then compare and contrast the two groups who's going to do a try like that you know think about it you talked about the drug when you were talking about Pablo's case I wasn't sure if he had any of the drug did he have any done early on in his treatment no okay in in the second case any Dawn in there at all no no so um we only know Don works really well because we have pre-clinical studies to show that it does and it works a hell of a lot better on the metastatic kind of cell than it does on the stem cells not to say that it doesn't work on cancer stem cells but you know we're building these cocktails all the time diet drug cocktails and as I said the two fuels are glucose and glutamine so the diet drug cocktail is designed to keep the rest of the cells healthy while you strategize on how to shut down glucose and glutamine so some tumors are more glucose dependent than glutamine dependent and some tumors appear to be more glutamine dependent than glucose dependent but that doesn't mean they use they're restricted to one fuel versus the other it's just that their proportionality of using the two fuels can differ so our view point is what's the best therapy that will eliminate those two fuels simultaneously uh and then and then if we find out there's still some level of gross because don't forget as I said there's many steps in that glutamanolysis pathway that could be targeted uh with some drugs and we're still learning about that so I mean believe me this is not a done deal we've just opened the door into a a world of new approaches for managing cancer and the future we'll be able to build much better diet drug cocktails to take care of all of these outlier cells and all these kinds of things we're just telling you that the the the framework uh by which the strategy will eventually be built on this press pulse concept uh but the Physicians clinics Guys these eyes going to be the ones perfecting all this stuff when they see the outcome and they're treated patients so it's like anything you're going to learn the doses timing and scheduling for various types of people their body weights sex their age all these kinds of things must be brought into consideration how many other diseases do they have besides cancer and this is another thing we've seen patients come into the clinic they have parasite infections their blood work looks like hell I mean they're all off the metabolic in many different type 2 diabetes high blood pressure hypertension they have all kinds of things all that stuff has to be brought back into a semi-normal state and then you strategically use low doses of drugs to Target and kill the tumor cells while not putting the patient at a metabolic balance so again you really have to be the Artesian of the understanding of the human body and how it works uh and how best you can fit that patient with the with the with the therapy so when it comes to published research and it comes to drugs like Dawn and Other Drugs in that family is that only been looking at animal models to this point well um they know there are clinical trials on some of these drugs that are going on right now the problem with these trials is no one is combining the drug with the metabolic therapy so they want to see if a glutamine part yes glutamine targeting drug has been used in the past was it a blockbuster no it was not a blockbuster does it become more powerful when you put it with a ketogenic absolutely so but they don't want to do that because they want to get the uh that you they're looking for uh don't forget the Food and Drug Administration says if you can your patients can live an extra two months will will give your approval uh on that drug I mean we don't want extra two months we want years of so but they will not do the trial with the ketogenic diet because I was told by several drunk guys we won't know if it's a ketogenic diet or the drug that's making the difference we got to know I said what about the patient ah it's got to be it's not the patient it's the revenue generation from the drug they make so again what's your what's your strategy here is it keep it how long can you keep your patient alive or is it is it how are you going to be able to make this drug a blockbuster none of these drugs are ever going to be Blockbusters I can tell you that right now the only way you're going to get real powerful therapeutic benefit is you got to know how to use that drug with the appropriate diet to get the full power of what you're doing and so far nobody wants to do that if you enjoyed that clip press here for the full episode I'll see you over there what I'm talking to you about almost nobody in the field knows anything that I'm saying here and how do I know that because they're not using these techniques and there's in their clinics if they if they understood what I'm saying they would be transitioning over to this immediately