[Music] heat heat [Music] hello and welcome to another episode of India and Global Left if you are new to the show please smash that subscribe button also consider becoming a YouTube member a Patreon or donate small amount given in the link in the description box without further ado let me welcome our guest today Professor Mohammad Mandi professor Mandi teaches at the University of Tehran professor Mandi welcome back to Indian Global Left and how are you i'm good thank you very much thank you for inviting me at this very late hour for me and even later hour for you i've been constantly reading the Iranian attack on Aludade base at Qatar it is the largest United States base in West Asia the New York Times has already called it a symbolic um strike but Terran Times has said that equal number of missiles fired at Iranian um sites at Natans Esvahan and Fredos have been delivered there talk to us about the significance of this strike i think it's very important that Iran is striking at the United States and at the Israeli regime simultaneously and I think that shows the power of the Islamic Republic of Iran and also the uh confidence the self-confidence that Iranian leaders and military officials have no one would dare to strike an American base i recall years ago when Turkey under Erdogan arrested a pastor who allegedly took part or had a role in the coup and Trump threatened to sanction Turkey and and briefly sanctioned Turkey and and Erdogan handed him handed the pastor over immediately uh you you have many examples like that in this region yet here you have Iran striking back at the Zionist regime which is fully supported by the entire NATO in its active aggression and you have regional regimes all of them collaborating in one form or another with the Zionist regime yet Iran hits it on a daily basis and at the same time responds to the Americans that is no small feat that is I think quite extraordinary you could call it symbolic or you could call it anything but to fire 12 missiles uh at the at the key US air base at Sentcom uh I think says a lot and Iran didn't even bother to fire off its advanced missiles it fired its oldest generation of missiles as if the United States wasn't even worthy enough for its newer missiles those are saved for the Israeli regime given Qatar is one of the relatively friendlier uh states uh within the Arab states that Iran had i mean that's how it is said i'm not sure if you would have the same reading um was there any element of that there as well um reassuring Qatar that uh this is a strike against the United States and not against you well yes i mean if as an as a as an Iranian citizen I don't consider the the regime to be a friend of the Palestinians or Iran or the region they are basically in the US camp al Jazzer if it's somewhat if it's sympathetic to the Palestinian people in Gaza that's because the Americans allowed to be to play that role otherwise if uh the Americans told Qatar to shut it down they'd shut it down there's no doubt about that atarad of course was a key played a key role in creating ISIS and al in Syria and they destroyed Syria with the help of of course others that Turkey played a key role then Jordan and others the Israelis the Americans the Europeans they all play played a role in destroying Syria so and Libya of course Qatar had a key role in destroying Libya and of course the the murder of uh the leader Sir Gaddafi who was sodomized at death so as a citizen I I don't have any respect for the regime but the Iranian government uh treats it as a friend and um it it is relatively speaking friend towards Iran iran saved Qatar when the Saudis and the Emiratis tried to overthrow the government and when they imposed the speech the siege and of course admitted this that if it wasn't for Iran the regime would collapse but being the ungrateful uh regime that is it that it is it continued to work and support extremist groups host sentcom so u again my views are my views and they don't reflect the views of the government as always but um but the Iranians fired those missiles because host of Sentcom and Sentcom is the most important base so all the bases that you see in Saudi Arabia and the Emirates and uh in in Kuwait in Bahrain and and elsewhere they're all subordinate to this air base and by the way as a as an interesting footnote pays for everything in this air base in other words they pay for American expenses they don't just give them the base they don't just give them the land they pay for all the expenses which I think is quite extraordinary so while the United States and Israel are destroying the Palestinian people Fat is paying for the American presence and that base is has was used to help bomb Yemen uh during the Trump's war on Yemen a while back so uh the real reason why Iran struck was because of the base itself because the base was more important than the base in Bahrain or in the Emirates or in Kuwait or elsewhere uh I think you're muted sorry um mainstream western media has been uh writing off uh the friendly relationship between Russia and Iran um there are multiple commentaries and reports and including from some some people who are not relatively hostile to Iran um saying that Russia is very very reluctant to uh enter Iran's help and in fact the New York Times says that Russia looks the other side as its ally is being uh pummeled i mean horrible language but that that that's what it was but um I think it's important to uh discuss that foreign minister Abasaraki is in Moscow when um Iran uh decided to um do the most daring thing that you just said to attack on an American base uh what's the significance of that the relationship between Iran and Russia is quite good and the two countries cooperate at all levels and I think uh western governments western media uh they are uh trying to spin a narrative and uh it's largely wishful thinking or it's completely wishful thinking uh I think in the exchange between Iran and the Israeli regime it is the Israeli regime that's being battered not Iran if the Israeli regime was despite the fact that it carried out an unprovoked act of war and an assault on Iran but it's not doing well in the war if it was doing so well then the Americans wouldn't have intervened in the way in which they did obviously the reg the Israeli regime is losing so uh Western media Western governments they support this genocidal regime they support this ethnosuppreist regime they support the Holocaust the New York Times supports the Holocaust the Washington Post supports they all they're all uh complicit in these crimes against humanity they're they're no less guilty than uh propagandists inside occupied Palestine itself they're they're they're all the same so obviously um we shouldn't expect any objectivity to come from them uh or for them to say any to to produce real news they're spinning a narrative in order to present themselves as strong to present the Israeli regime as strong to present Iran and Russia as divided but that's what they've been you know that's what they always do um the relationship is quite good and uh I think it's very clear that the meeting between Dr adolfqi and the Russian president was a very productive meeting and um I don't I don't know what exactly they expect of uh the relationship uh that uh uh that is non-existent i want to understand your reading of where the Americans stand at this moment because uh there are some who say I just hosted Muin Raani and I asked him about uh where ex where does he think the Americans stand at this moment um do they are they convinced or are they completely sold the idea that they should participate in regime change or was it a limited selling where the idea was that if you would bomb these three sides there would be enough pressures on Iran to come to the negotiating table where you can bully them and uh that would bring peace of course that's that's not going to happen but it may not be clear that the Americans want to go on so that's one set of argument the other set of argument is that the Americans are completely on the side of Netanyahu and as Netanyahu is held bent on breaking up Iran the Americans are standing by him what is your sense of uh where the Americans stand at the Americans always want regime change uh but I think that the Trump regime will uh be gone while the Islamic Republic of Iran is still around and I'm quite confident that the Israeli regime will be gone and the Islamic Republic of Iran will still be around uh the strikes on Iran uh I think hurt the United States more than anything else and the reason is that first of all what happened in Natans and Esfahan was not that significant those can easily be replaced uh and we don't know what happened in Foru the Americans don't know what happened in Foru they haven't been down there there are lots of reports coming out now that the damage was uh insignificant i don't know myself for for sure at all but um I think that the initial uh claims made by Trump are probably inaccurate but we do know that what is important or what was important for was removed before the attack so you can read into that uh what you want but I think it's quite clear that the Americans wanted to make sure that no one was hurt and uh they didn't block the removal of anything there and that included of course enriched uranium and now they don't know where it is because Iran was I think the New York Times has uh published uh these images of uh long queue of trucks um in uh uh Ferdo before the Americans uh launched that uh operation um which which effectively indicates that uh the materials were moved out before that yeah we don't even know if further was severely damaged either and now Iran has stopped cooperating with the International Atomic Energy Agency something that many in Iran have been calling for for a long time so I don't know exactly how well this worked out for the United States but most importantly most importantly is what the United States has done to the Iranian people the United States first by deceive trying to deceive Iran at the negotiating table and not being serious and plotting against Iran with the Israeli regime they destroyed the world view of a certain class of people in Iran and those are the pro-western liberals or the western oriented liberals especially young people young people who have been watching western media and western mainstream media and they they believe you know they they believe the nonsense that uh they produce and the narratives that they create and then they saw that both Democrats and Republicans how they demonize Iran even though they hate for the Democrats hated or CNN hates Trump but when it comes to bombing other countries or Iran they're all on the same page and then we saw CNN speak about sleeper cells in the United States this was an eyeopener for many Iranians and I think that the damage that the United States has done to itself as a result cannot be calculated and of course the Israeli regime over 20 21 months the genocide the Holocaust and then it carries out this unprovoked attack and the entire West supports it they attack Iran and the West says Israel has the right to defend itself that I think had a huge impact on Iranian society especially especially that class of people that I just mentioned young western oriented Iranians who uh did not experience the revolution they did not experience the war and they had been fed a lot of anti-Iranian propaganda over the years and they really came to the conclusion that Iran is at fault but when they saw that Iran is at the negotiating table yet it's being stabbed in the back by the Americans I think that was a wakeup call for many so the damage to us the US image in Iran and across the world and across the world I think is uh is extraordinary and it's also quite interesting that the United States has wrecked the UN charter it is destroying all those institutions that it itself really created after the second world war in order to maintain its hijgemony but now it's discrediting everything in because it is irrational because it's on the decline it in Europe so it's behaving irrationally and it's destroying the very tools that it has always used in order to be the hijab and that includes not just political uh platforms but also economic and other platforms i'm thinking about WTO uh that has been Oh yes yes absolutely the World Bank UNF the Yes the OPCW which was used as a tool to frame Syria so that the United States could bomb could blame Syria for the chemical attacks that al-Qaeda that its al-Qaeda with the help of Turkish intelligence carried out those chemical attacks now I the yeah now the IAA but the OPCW the techni the experts they went to Syria and they said the evidence doesn't show that the Syrian government was behind it and then they sidelined the experts and used politicians to say no it was the Syrian government they've one by one they've they're destroying all the institutions and now the international atomic energy agency which failed to condemn even the head of the agency failed to condemn US and Israeli air strikes on nuclear sites which could lead to contamination which could lead to uh radioactive contamination especially when the Israelis were striking uh they were trying to create that contamination the Americans of course as I as I said they seem to be doing some sort of deal they let the Iranians take everything out then they struck and it's not clear exactly what happened but that's you know that's you know another issue they failed to condemn it so the United States has wrecked the UN the UN charter and all these institutions and these are Western dominated institutions we don't control them the global south doesn't control them the IAA's board of governors is controlled by the west they have a majority in it even though they're a small minority in the international community um sorry yes um I am just blinking on the question um I have something in mind but sleepy uh a little bit but uh but but the but one question I I had two actually um but um one one question I have is uh um the western uh narrative and I'm asking this also because um you have been tweeting something about democracy now which I haven't followed very closely but I did watch your uh interview at democracy now and when you were in invited I was um you were very happy that they have invited you um but it seems like um you were not very happy so tell us what what happened there but yes I wanted to um place this in table that the New York Times has completely gone up the deep end to where it was during the Iraq war uh it is publishing so-called human rights violations prison reports as if there are no prison elsewhere in the uh in the world as if there there are no prisons in the United States that host the most uh the largest percentage of population of uh um imprisoned people um tell us about uh what happened at Democracy Now and Western narrative in general yeah I mean it's it's quite interesting that you know the the New York Times doesn't talk about all the Palestinians that are raped in in Israeli dungeons and we have footage we have footage of this it doesn't talk about how people like Epstein are suicided it doesn't talk about how the United States has uh more prisoners in jail than any other country in the world even though its population is 1/4 of that of China it has far more prisoners in jail than China and proportionate to the Iranian population it's its prison population is much higher than that of Iran so the United States does have has nothing to rag about but that's how Western media works they they're all the same the New York Times is no different from uh Breitbart when it comes to Iran cnn is no different from Fox News when it comes to Iran one may be more sophisticated the the other may be more bombastic but they're the same thing they all believe belong to the political regime i also wanted to quickly quickly add that I I've been reading this uh Stephen Kinszer's book about coup and it's very interesting that uh um the post World War II coup began with Iran i mean it's it's a very important uh thing to be placed on the table and the New York Times was the one who started calling uh uh Mohammad Musadik a Hitler a stalin uh a dictator even in 1951 1952 1953 used the same language about the government of Iran back then before the coup as it does about the Iranian government and the Islamic Republic of Iran since its inception the same language mad men crazy people you know all all sorts of nonsense but what democracy now did was that it's it's sort of like uh the democ it wants to pretend that it's anti-war but it can only it doesn't it only bad mouths Iran so the host kept calling I forget what her name is Amy goodman yes Goodman uh she said she kept saying the Iranian regime the Iranian regime and then like we're talking about the US air strike on Iran and she talks about the the Israeli air strikes and US the US air strike and then she talks about the aven prison the notorious Aven prison as if like it's a prison like any other prison but you know they have to use notorious when it comes to Iran they never use notorious when it comes to American prisons which are infinitely worse actually Aen is a pretty good prison people there are treated pretty well and the government in Iran because of the image that the West has created for this prison they give the prisoners there pretty good privileges and a lot of people who are arrested and take and who go there and come out actually say it's it's not all that bad now they can say what they want i don't care they can call me a propagandist i don't care it doesn't matter to me because nothing that they say matters to me because it's clear as day who they are they they support genocide they support a Holocaust they are quiet about Epstein they are quiet about the rapes that the Israelis are carrying out against Palestinians so they have zero credibility but Iran is the country that's defending the Palestinian people iran is the country that's standing up against this Holocaust all of these wars all of these murders and slaughter i just posted up I just uh up posted a tweet of an Iranian woman who is a manager senior manager for the Iranian National Electric Company they murdered her today the Israelis uh and she was in charge of statistics in in in the ministry uh in in the in the you know the electrical the government electrical uh company the national company is there is there a feminist uprising uh in the United States about that yeah exactly you know woman women life yeah it's a joke it's all nonsense care about Iran there was very important plank in both Afghanistan and Libya Yeah absolutely so in Iran you know you are is any fe is are any of these well-funded feminists or NOS's going to mourn this woman of course not so far 44 women have been murdered by the Israeli regime 42 or 44 I'm not sure two of them pregnant is there any outrage in the West you know of course you know in Lebanon they they murdered thousands and in in in Gaza they murdered at least tens of thousands of women at least probably in in the hundreds of thousands but you know directly and indirectly but the New York Times doesn't you know doesn't care about that but so it doesn't matter any it doesn't matter to me because sometimes they say you know people say you know when you you're up against these people how does it feel i don't care because they can call me what they want they can call they they they've been exposed to the world after Gaza everyone knows what the New York Times is it is it is Hitler's it is no better than Hitler's newspapers during the Second World War it's the same thing so uh basically what the New York Times is doing and what CNN do is doing and the entire media apparatus mainstream media apparatus in the west liberal conservative and even in places like democracy now is that they are busy demonizing Iran or Pierce Morgan why because when you demonize Iran you are justifying death and destruction you're justifying war you're trying to create an environment where uh the West can get away with war and people say "Well yes Iran deserves it." Of course I I I don't think that that's the objective of uh the host of Democracy Now but she's so you know embedded in this narrative that it she doesn't notice she doesn't seem to comprehend the fact that what she's actually doing is she's making the case for war and she invited this so-called Iranian American who just kept badmouthing Iran it reminded me of an instance in Beirut when the Israeli regime carried out the the attacks on Beirut al Jazzer English brought their journalists to Beirut and while the Israelis were was destroying apartment blocks and slaughtering people she was she was on air badmouthing Iran saying how Iran violates human rights and women's rights and how terrible Iran is and like I was supposed to be on air after her and she's like the Al Jazzer journalist and I said I protested I said they're bombing Beirut and you're bad mouthing Iran you know this is this is how it works so these people in the west they they demonize Iran and these other people they have to demonize Iran to remain relevant to remaining so this they the this woman the host brought this American Iranian this guy who was supposedly anti-war but he kept insulting Iran and saying how evil it is and this is not how you bring about regime change and you know it's you know it's like he has to badmouth Iran in order to be seen as you know objective and decent and western and but I don't care what they say about me it doesn't make a difference to me they can call me a monster they can call me a mouthpiece they can call me whatever they want i I think it's quite clear where I stand and where they stand where you stand and where they stand we're against genocide they're pro- genocide we are against this uh the the the massacre of of people whether in Iran or in Lebanon or in Yemen or in Syria they they've in many cases they mimicked western propaganda i I you know I never followed democracy now but I know that on Syria they basically repeated western propaganda so they are complicit in the destruction of Syria they are complicit in the rise of ISIS and al-Qaeda they're complicit in deceiving their public even though they feel that they're critical of the establishment in the case of Iran it's the same they feel that they have to attack Iran and say how evil it is so that they can be taken seriously in in in in the United States but the fact is that and this is something that I'm seeing this is something that I feel people across the world see through this now people now are supporting Iran today that I would not have imagined a couple of years ago because across the world people are seeing that it is Iran that is sacrificing and the resistance and access of res that is sacrificing for what because Palestinians are being slaughtered are they Persians are they are they Iranians are they one of the Iranian ethnic groups no they're Arabs of course Iran has Arabs but there are Arabs uh that are not even close to Iran they're you know between Palestine and Iran you have two countries it's far away we don't have borders with Palestine they are Sunni Arabs and for decades they've been trying to create divi a divide between us they've been trying to tell Arabs that the the Shia are your enemies they would give them disinformation and misinformation about the Shia they say the Iranians are your enemies you know you're Arabs they're they're the enemy you know they they've it's always been divided rule but despite all this Iran always remains steadfast in the support for the Palestinian people and even though sometimes some Palestinians some Palestinians are deeply sectarian and then Western media Persian media promotes them so that Iranians would see you know would look and say "We're supporting the Palestinians but they hate us." Despite that the Iranians have always remained steadfast because they've always said they are oppressed they are being abused they are being marginalized they are being slaughtered and now the the world sees it now the world sees the reality for what it is that Iran is the country that's standing for these people for these abused people whereas everyone else is silent or complicit and so it doesn't work anymore the the western narrative no one takes it that seriously those who do take it seriously are you know Christian Zionists or these you know heavily propagandized people who are deeply sectarian who you know been these clerics that are funded by Katad or the Turkish government or the Saudi government because you know it used to be Saudi Arabia that they did this sort of thing and they sort of stepped aside and stepped away from Wahhabism and Salafism and now Turkey and and the Turkish government of course and the and Qatar are behind this sort of thing and it's very sad because Turkey is such a wonderful society it's very similar to Iran you know Sufi tradition and very similar it was but the government is it was once and you know how it was once the trends setter uh within the Islamic world yes I mean it's a it's a you know and the same is true with Pakistan Pakistan was was more of a trends setter setter than Turkey it was moderate and and in fact if you saw the Sky News interview between the minister of defense in Pakistan and the reporter he was saying for 30 years we did your dirty work and uh I don't remember the exact framing but what the the west by and you know through Saudi money and so on they pushed Pakistan and Afghanistan away from their traditional moderate Islam towards extremism and salapism the west did that just like they promote Zionism just like they promote the neo-Nazis in Europe they they promote extremists in our part of the world and now sadly Turkey the Turdogan regime it is doing the same thing again I'm speaking as an individual i'm not a part of the Iranian government the Iranian government would would never say anything anything similar to what I'm saying but I these are my views and I and the government you know I if I was the foreign minister obviously I wouldn't be speaking like this at all but these are my views so the but people across the world see that Iran Hezbollah Ansarah uh you know the those forces that stood by the Palestinian people and made these sacrifices they're on the right side of history they're on the they're on the side of truth and the West they're on the side of genocide there's no you know there's no ambiguity so when people look back at the decades of anti-Iranian narratives unless they're you know deeply sectarian or unless they're deeply racist or at least or or or unless they're you know a member of the Zionist Christian Zionist cult that believes Christ likes genocide these crazy people um people understand what's happening it's uh I feel it I see it because I I have a lot of interaction with people uh especially during the last 2020 months 21 months things have changed dramatically and you know hopefully we'll we'll see change across the region and uh I I I don't think things will stay this way but in any case u yeah that's unfortunately how the west is you mentioned uh how Pakistan uh became uh the victim of this radicalism in the 1980s uh late 1970s after the overthrow of Juliker Leto and coming of Jawha but the main um passion was Afghanistan and the tragedy was that Afghanistan was uh it was not heaven but culturally it was very open there were women in the universities in where people like Gulbadin Hecmlair and others funded by the CIA and the Saudi money uh started to throw acid um doing everything that they could to push uh women out of universities out of hospitals in all kinds of public places all of that was to inside that uh jihadi movement um uh well you know you know that in Afghanistan I'm sure you know this and I'm sure many of your viewers know this but the the the the the catastrophe of Afghanistan did not begin with the Soviet Union it began with Trump and Rosinski developing a plan to to encourage the Soviet Union to invade so they began supporting these so-called mujahedin and the they wanted to create the Soviet Union's Vietnam and so and the Soviet Union took the bait but the interesting point is that the first Takiri books were published not by Saudi Arabia back then they didn't have that sort the Saudis didn't have that capability they were published by the United States in the United States by the University of Nebraska Omaha and people can look that up they can do use deepseek right now so a university publisher printed Takiri books to help spread extremism in Afghanistan in order for them to hate Russians and of course we know isn't the University of Nebraska this infamous uh foreign relations uh center many universities in the United States are infamous but in any case uh but you know don't anyway but um I mean the Harvard well I don't want because good people have gone to a lot of these universities I don't want to you know but the point is that key univers US universities they've had a close relationship with USAID with NE and with the military I mean US universities are are you know they've been tools I'm not saying that they're not good people there are they're not good professors or not but you know the schools are are are the universities are are are part of this apparatus of empire but in any case the the a final point I just want to make make uh before you ask uh another question is that when the when Turkey and Katar especially these two uh began to work with Americans to support extremists in Syria and support these taki groups i was invited to Turkey because I have lots of friends in Turkey and I have friends in the Turkish ruling party as well as other some other parties and I've known people in the ruling party before they came to power uh and they invited me to Syria to to to Turkey for a conference uh that I took part in on 2012 and in 2013 the same conference and I said on both occasions that what was happening in Syria is Syria is a dirty war this is not in Turkeykey's interest and I gave them the example of Pakistan and I said Pakistan was a moderate country it was a cultured country and look what Takiri the Takiri ideology did and I said this is going to have a similar impact on Turkey years later my friends in the ruling party said you were right mhm and now in Estumbul and in other cities you see these places where salifists and you know salifist extremists groups are a big problem for them but Mr ardan uses them as his foot soldiers and uh he is not doing the region a service at all and he's not doing the people of Turkey a service it's very sad because we had very high hopes in Najimin Arabakhan mhm uh he was a true leader a true friend of Palestine a man of great principle and the powers in Turkey and NATO succeeded in sort of rem removing him from the political scene and bringing in an elite that is pro NATO um there is another case we missed out but that's for the another day that's India but that's uh the extremism and trend setting was uh lies on the other side it's it's never uh Islam in uh India that's um that's uh the problem but it's uh it's the Hindus you know it's very it's very I think in India it had a huge great tradition in the past and you know supporting that uh of creating helped create the non-aligned movement and and um it's uh the elites now they don't recognize that uh India's enormous had enormous soft power once upon a time despite its poverty back then and that has all been sacrificed for nothing really absolutely but the main leader of u opposition I mean she she was the former chair uh she wrote a very damning um uh article on the major uh Indian newspaper the Hindu for the Indian government not uh taking direct side um both for Palestine and uh uh in the Iranian case so um I'm not entirely sure yeah and I'm not entirely sure that it in the case of India the it's hard to actually know what the larger population think about these issues because uh in parliamentary democracy it's it's a smaller percentage of people who vote and then the government keeps representing their side of it but there there is a lot more opposition there um my final question very quickly um is and I think it's it kind of relates to what you said because this propaganda machine in the west it's it's absolutely important to emphasize that because I have been noticing quite a lot of American analysts let's say on on the right side of history um by which I mean they support Palestine they are opposing um the war imposed on Iran their explanation is as if it's only Israel that has somehow dragged the United States into this war and uh if you don't analyze this long history in the United States how newspapers created Hitler and dictators to extinguish democracy in Iran in Guatemala in Guatemala literally it was called as the spring of democracy from 1944 to 1954 when one year later the playbook that was applied in Iran was repeated in Guatemala and then you know Panama Granada uh one after another and in the in West Asia they have all because Iran was such a huge success the coup in 1953 was a huge success absolutely and it was more successful than they had expected and it's a long story how they how they did it sha was Sha was shocked so their man in Tehran was surprised how easy it it happened but it just shows how if um you know through divide and rule and through uh through very manufacturing riots it's a lot yes exactly how how they were and and and sanctions and and creating so that you know they they they impose sanctions they tried to create suffering among ordinary Iranians and then divide and rule and manufacture riots this you know it's not it's not new what the United States these kala revolutions that we've seen in recent years so after in 1953 in Iran they used that model with great success for quite a long time and this brings to my final question about the so-called mega movement which uh you were always skeptical about and I was always skeptical about its ability to um hold their government into account when it comes comes to militarism and war um and they have completely blinked um people like Steve Bannon even including Taka Carlson Tulsi Gabbert is the most unfortunate case probably but uh there are no I I don't take this unfort where she's going to end up i I had never had any uh I was never Yeah so that that's that's my final question basically um talk about the mega movement yeah the MAGA movement is a cult and uh for the most part and you know the it's built around a personality rather than you know the United States that's it's not the United States and uh the MAGA movement is large segments of it are are clearly mega or now of course it's Iran that they've that Trump has also added to it but it's make Israel great again it's you know it's not America first what have we been seeing since Trump came to power have we been seeing American America first at all no it's been genocide it's been betrayal it's ethnic cleansing it's supporting uh uh aggression against Iran mecca is no different from uh the previous uh pol you know politicians the political activists that ruled in the United States europe supports uh Trump in his support of genocide europe supports Trump in his support of aggression on Iran europe supports Trump in his own aggression against Iran there's no substantial difference between uh the MAGA movement and the liberals the the mainstream liberals in the United States they may have some divisions over I don't know the number of genders that they have or I don't know abortion but when it comes to destroying opposition to the United States I mean they the liberals they may be supportive of 101 different genders in the United States but if anyone stands against the United States he must crush them like ants and that's the same with the MAGA movement there's no you know for the for the global south there's no difference and I I think anyone who took the MAGA movement seriously was uh extraordinarily naive that doesn't mean that there are not good people out there i people like well I don't want to name names but there are people out there and people are in the United States um from different political persuasions are waking up to the reality of the Israeli regime and and to what the United States is doing just like in the 1960s when the anti-war movement grew there were lots of decent people who were behind it in the early 1960s I'm sure you know that uh Americans were supportive of the Vietnam war and then anyone like the the famous case of Muhammad Ali when he refused to join he was considered to be trash and the traitor and evil and horrible it you know it wasn't like later on when he became uh a figure that people for the most part loved and you know or liked so um that it was a gradual and of course there reasons for that why this happened the when the body bags came began to come back in larger numbers and all that which I don't want to get into but the MAGA the in the United States MAGA movement aside there are lots of people in the United States who are awake today and we see that the majority of Americans as we've seen in polls dislike the Israeli regime now the media because the left and right they're all trying to demonize Iran right now mhm and so I'm pretty sure they'll be able to create some sort of momentum for support of support for aggression against Iran the New York Times Breitbart you know Fox News CNN MSNBC they're all the same and even democracy now in its own you know in its foolishness it it it strengthens the these narratives unwittingly maybe or through through their own you know cowardly behavior uh but this momentum I don't think is going to last because the United States is not going to succeed in Iran and uh I think that as time goes by the United States will pay the price for its uh adversarial behavior towards Iran the United States is not the United States of the 1990s and Iran is not the Iran during their uh client you know sha the Sha's rule in Iran so um uh you you saw that the Iranians have already pushed up the price of oil over the last couple of weeks and they know how to hurt the Americans in their own subtle way yes in 1967 when Nom Chomsky wrote uh the famous essay uh the responsibility of intellectuals uh every every mainstream um shunned him completely because he was questioning Vietnam and uh it was probably too early even in 1967 um Professor Mandi we'll leave it there thank you so much for your time and uh stay safe and solidarity thank you very much for having me bye hi my name is Aayish Man i along with Jotis man have started this platform the last two years we have tried to build content for the left and progressive forces we have interviewed economists historians political commentators and activists 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