All right, you guys. Well, never in a million years did I believe that this investigation would lead us to this moment. And I am not even referring to the lawsuit. I'm referring to something much bigger. Foremost, I should let you guys know that it was announced just 3 hours ago that the French government has collapsed. Oh, okay. Yeah, there it is. New York Times French government collapses again, deepening paralysis. But I don't want you guys to get distracted because I think it is sort of a distraction a little bit. They don't want you watching Becoming Breit season 2. I personally think Emanuel Mcronone wants out. No, instead they're telling the French people take to the streets. I hope by now you guys realize that these decisions like who is going to be president and when those decisions are actually made in a boardroom. If you don't understand that, then I hope you will by the end of this episode. So welcome back to becoming Brit 2. [Applause] [Music] A lot going on you guys. A lot going on. I want you to take me seriously when I say this. Okay, seriously. I'm not trying to be funny here. Breijit Mcronone does not walk right. She doesn't walk right. There's a lot that can be discerned from someone's gate. And I want you guys in this moment to pay close attention to how she walks. Here is a clip of her walking out of a shopping store in Paris. Take a look here. This is slowed down for you. Just look at the the legs, the posture. It's interesting. Okay. And of course to add to that the now infamous clip of Breijgit as a drama instructor and you can watch the way that she walks but more importantly the way that Breit sits. Take a look at this clip. And yes, it's real. cookie. There's something about the the manner that Breijg is sitting that you look at that as a woman and you go that's just not the way that women sit, right? Uh we do not widpread in that manner. We we uh tend to understand that when you look at that image, you're looking at somebody that is a dude. And but I'm more concerned in that moment of the way that she's sort of wide walking right when you see her coming out of the store. Um I would say that that gate in particular is quite military because it's difficult if you have been in the military for a long time to sort of shake that training. Now to remind you guys, Jean Michelle Trognau Breijit's quote unquote brother has a military file that the government is refusing to release for whatever reason. It is a pretty long military tenure and this is when Jean Michelle Trognau sort of just disappears. You should also know that what has been confirmed is that he held the rank of sergeant in Germany. That's really relative. He held the rank of sergeant in Germany when he was at the Spires Club and we can track him. Uh the most that we can do in terms of tracking Jean Michelle is in large part thanks to Xavier's book. Um, to recap, I'm going to show you photos of John Michelle Trrogno through the years. Here he is in 1953, uh, in school in Amyan. We also have the 1954 photo of Jean Michichelle in school in Aman. And finally, we have that 1955 photo of him in school in Aman. Of course, the big photo, the big premiere was seeing him, which was very difficult for Xavier to get his hands on in 1963. At the age of 18, he is in engineering school. But Xavier Bousard reveals in his book that that period, that time that he was at engineering school was a bit complicated. I want you to think of that period of time as we would in America as a high school. It's the simplest way to think about that time. So in 1963 at the age of 18, John Michelle should have been awarded his diploma. Instead, Xavier Busousard discovers that for whatever reason, despite being in that 1963 class photo, John Michelle Trognau hadn't actually graduated and there were all sorts of oddities as as he was trying to get these files. I'm going to um read you this from his book. He wrote, quote, "The 20page document shows," and that he's referring to his school files, that Jean Michichel Trrognau, then aged 18, the age at which typically uh the diploma is awarded in France, had not attended school for the previous years, the previous three years. And he had no diploma, not even the BEPC, which is normally awarded at the end of the third year. Okay, so that's weird. Where was Jean Michelle Trogno when he was 15, 16, 17? He also says that he had so many absences while he was at this school. Then we fast forward to 1967 and at the age of 23. We know that Jeia Michelle Trrognau is in Germany at that Spire Club. Again, I want you to also know that that is in the the Rhineland. Okay, that's the area that caused a lot of drama during World War II, right? German Rhineland. We also know uh like I said earlier that he held this rank of sergeants but Xavier Bousard in his book becoming Breijgit is unequivocal about exactly who Jean Michelle Trrognau is. He wants you to know that Jean Michelle Trognau becomes Breijgit. He wrote this and I quote therefore we can conclude that Jean Michichelle Trognau has been living under the civil birth identity of his sister Rajit Trognau since at least 1986. Logically then Sebastian Laurance and Tiffan Ozier's children are administratively his nephews. That's remarkable that he wrote that in the book because Xavier Busousard was never sued for defamation. Why is that? Why hasn't Xavier Bousard, if that is the wrong information, been sued for defamation? He is a French citizen. That would make the most sense. That is a clue, you guys. Okay. President Mcronone, who was panicking at the moment, was unable to really offer an explanation for this lawsuit in America. He said that it was because the story had become so big in America, they had to do something. The story had become so big in America that they had to do something. That, my friends, is another clue. I'll tell you this, when you panic, you tend to make mistakes. Even before we had jumped into this series, the Mcron had already sent lawyers. They had already sent investigators to look into me. Emmanuel Mcronone flew to the United States to speak to Trump shortly thereafter. So, we have to ask ourselves, what is it in particular about my voice and my reach within America that has the Elise Palace so concerned? While tracing the life of Jean Michichelle Trogau, Xavier Bousard unwittingly, I think stumbled upon what is likely to lead us to the truth. Here was what he wrote in becoming Breijgit. He wrote quote or asked rather quote, "What did Jean Michelle Trogdo do between June of 1968 and 1973?" Although little is known about this period of his life, Breijgit has always claimed to have watched the 1969 American moonlanding on TV from the United States. Yeah, the answer is obvious if you're paying attention. It's that Jean Michelle Trrogno must have been here in America from 1968 to 1973. They are panicked because there is something here in the United States that we should have access to. The Mcronone very much needed the investigation into Breijit's life and background to be contained to France, right? Because John Michelle Trrognau wasn't in France during those years. Therefore, it is unlikely that a French journalist could have solved the mystery alone. Unfortunately for the Mcron, fate would have it that that French journalist Xavier Busousard teamed up with a very persistent Candace Owens. More panicking, more mistakes from the Elise Palace. The lawsuit filing in and of itself was a bad idea, but beyond that, it was sloppy. MK Ultra, MK Ultra, MK Ultra, MK Ultra, MK Ultra, MK Ultra, MK Ultra, MK Ultra. Said 18 times, dogs do not bark unless they perceive a threat. So I will quickly remind you that we caught a Jean Marie Trognau. I'm thinking this could maybe be Breijit's father on a ship in 1961 coming from France, stopping in Canada and then arriving in Oakland, California. And it's just our luck that that particular ship got caught up in a lawsuit from that same year which allowed us to know what sort of cargo it was carrying. Oddly, I had mentioned to you guys that it was an 8,000 pound magnet, and I asked off-handedly, "What do you do with an 8,000 pound magnet? That's weird." My husband instantly said, "That's military grade." Okay. Interesting. Also, uh, the person captaining that was a captain of that ship was a a man named Guy Schopllin. Okay. He was manning the ship and yet we could not locate photos uh of this individual beyond two pictures and one which is like his official filings as a captain. Looks like he's a child. Here it is. That's Guy Schopllin there in the corner. All we are able to determine about Guy Shopan is that he was born in 1910 and he died in 1994. Oh, okay. And then I kind of a little bit think he's got the trogno face like the ears. But that would just be speculation. So let's move on. What is not speculation is that in the 1960s MK Ultra was in full swing across California. And our government was pretty deranged, really deranged in what they were trying to do with that program. They were interested specifically, that's just one facet of MK Ultra, in using magnets. I kid you not, to hack our brains. I wish I was kidding, honestly. But you should know that among the many projects that were using magnets, one was called Sub Project 119. Government wanted to see if they could alter our brain waves by using big magnets. Yeah, I'm I'm not kidding. This was the era of just deranged psychology. By the way, there was no era when psychology was not deranged. But this was extra special. They needed to see if they could hack and control our minds. And electromagnets were a massive piece of the MK Ultra MK Ultra experimentation agenda. That project in particular, the sub project 119 was led by two doctors at UCLA who realized that the brain that brains irradiate low frequencies with respective activities. So you're they're saying, "Oh, the brain's got these frequencies going on." And they're wondering if they could then manipulate those brain waves electromagnetically. Stanford University similarly picked up research regarding electromagnets in the early 70s. um that is if you look throughout the Stanford yearbooks at that time they speak a lot about it and like I said I know this because I accessed those yearbook archives they're very interesting the head of MK Ultra was Dr. Jolly West. We know this. And per Tom O'Neal's book, Chaos, we know that Jolly West went to Stanford University in 1966. And what I am about to tell you about the Stanford University prison experiment is going to positively shock you. Because of course, you know me. I'm nosy. I had to send somebody there to access those files. And of course, I also had to contact one of the prisoners that was involved myself. But first, I want to tell you a little bit of background about the experiment. Okay. So, the reality is that the more dramatic stories pertaining to the Holocaust did not actually begin to manifest until decades after the event. In fact, even the stories about Dr. Mangallay. Uh, an Israeli historian, Ephraim Zarov, discovered that his image among former Awitz inmates who were interviewed right after the war was harmless. The angel of death who committed unspeakable tragedies evolved slowly over time. And in this evolution, regular people began to wonder, are we really to believe that everybody just jumped in and and and took place and took part in this evil? Are people just intrinsically evil that if you see somebody doing these terrible things, you're going to jump in like all of these Nazis did this because you know, you got to justify the Nermberg trials. You're killing everybody, right? And people are going to ask that question. Is is it possible that a person who has never harmed an individual in their entire life can radically transform into a monster? Is there a quiet monster that lives inside of all of us? Well, Philip Zimardo at Stanford University set out to prove that yeah, in the right environment, very quickly, people are going to do unspeakably evil things if everybody else is doing it. If management tells them, hey, carve out this person's eye, they're going to do it, okay? Almost instantly, by the way, without thought. They just do it because it lives in all of us. So, you you shouldn't question any stories that you read. And also you should be forgiving and understanding of future militarygrade torture like what happens in Abu Grab. This is just what people do. They get sadistic. The Stanford prison experiment was funded by the US Office of Naval Research. And I'm going to let you hear Philip Zimardo in his own words here explain how it all came together. Take a listen. Our goal back in 1971 was to study the behavioral and psychological consequences of becoming a prisoner or prison guard. To do this, we decided to simulate a prison environment, both physically and mentally, and then observed the effects of this institution on all those within its walls. We used the basement of the psychology building to stage our little drama scheduled to run for two weeks. A card of small offices was converted into a functional prison environment. It was complete with three cells. There was a guard's room, the warden's office, my superintendent's office, and a closet used if necessary for solitary confinement. We recruited the help of some prison experts to assist us with our prison design and construction. Foremost among them was Carlo Prescott, an ex-convict recently released from serving 17 years behind bars in San Quentin and Solidad prisons. We placed an ad in the city newspaper asking for participants for an experiment studying the psychological effects of prison life. They would be paid $15 a day. Over 70 people applied. They were given diagnostic interviews and psychological tests to weed out all those with any signs of psychological abnormality, medical disabilities, or history of crime or drug use. 24 were selected. They were all healthy, normal, intelligent, middle-class males from colleges throughout the United States. And with a flip of the coin, each was randomly assigned to play the role of prisoner or guard. It was only by chance that someone was chosen as prisoner or guard. By chance. Middle class. Okay. Zimardo himself calls the experiment a drama. So, let's meet the prisoners. Let's just meet the cast because I think it's kind of relevant. It's going to be very relevant. Pay attention. Um, let's go through these. First, we have Doug Corp. He Doug graduated from Stanford in 1989. His father was a Freemason, member of the Sons and Retirement Society. Um, we can also go to the next guy. Who do we have? Klay Ramsay. Klay Ramsey was in the Marines and he worked on a merchant ship. I was able, by the way, you cannot find this in Zimardo's book or Latexier's book. I discovered these facts about these individuals. Let's go to the next slide. Richard Yako, prisoner 1037. His father was Samuel Yako. Samuel Yako was in the US Navy. He worked for NASA as an engineer. Richard produced and directed commercials for NASA. Okay, let's go to the next slide. Glenn Gee graduated from Stanford University. He's prisoner number 3401. He had a degree in chemical engineering a year before the experiment. He he received that degree from Stanford University. Let's go to the next one. We've got Paul Baron. He worked for Hallebertton after graduating with a master's and a PhD from Stanford University. Uh his father we wrote might be Paul Bon, the electrical engineer who worked for the Rand Corporation. Next, Stuart Levvin uh worked for Hallebertton Energy Services and Standard Oil as a geoysicist. Graduated with a degree from Stanford, a master of science from Stanford. We've got Jim Rooney, 4325. His father is Captain James Rooney of the Mafett Naval Air Base, also commander of the ship that recovered the Apollo 8. His father was also an aeronautical engineer who was the director of science and engineering at the Naval Academy. Okay, we've got Jerry Shu, who is prisoner 5486. We find out from Jerry Shu that he spent time in Canada before the experiment. Okay, he's originally from Pennsylvania and he's a college dropout. Lastly, though, of course, is the prisoner that we're concerned with here is Thomas Williams. Thomas Williams was homeless. We are told from Latexier in his book that he was a um an undergrad who was living in his car before the experiment and that's all we know. So So I was interested. Okay. I was interested. We were also informed that one of these prisoners was actually a mole, meaning that the prisoner was working under Philip Zimardo and really just acting. this prisoner was just an actor. I felt in my gut that that prisoner could potentially be the Jean Michelle Trognell lookalike, prisoner 2093. But we really only had one clue to go off of about that mole, which was given to us via one of the prisoners uh named Jonathan Mark, I mean, one of the guards, pardon, named Jonathan Mark, who did a Reddit feed in 2015. So that's 10 years ago. He jumps onto Reddit and says, "I was a prisoner in the Stanford I mean a guard in the Stamford experiment. Ask me anything." And this is what he wrote in that Reddit post. He lets us know that the prisoner who was removed from the experiment for a breakdown, that's Doug Corpy, was the younger brother of one of my friends. But I never had any subsequent contact with him. When he was removed, he was replaced by a new prisoner who was in fact a grad student working with Zimardo who was placed as a mole to find out what the student prisoners were up to. This new prisoner/grad student was also an acquaintance of mine. So, while I didn't out him, and I'm sure none of us were supposed to know that he was a part of the research team, uh, nor was his background ever published, to my knowledge, I knew who he was. Okay. Now, I thought that that was really interesting just in general, first and foremost, we're going to get to the timing that he posted this in 2015. He says very clearly there that the mole was an acquaintance of his and also a graduate student. Mcronone gets elected in 2017. Tibo Latexier, a business management major with a background in business management, randomly publishes a book the following March about the experiment. And then some French girl, Juliet Eisner, then does a documentary about the experiment. My instinct told me that the sudden very French interest in this experiment was not actually random. And I can tell you that my instincts have been proven correct. You know, with Texier's book, he asserts that the mole was a graduate student. He said this student was receiving his masters at Stanford University. Uh so he agrees with Jonathan Mark when he says that in the Reddit fe the Reddit feed except he is clear. Latexier in his book he names the mole. He said it was a student named David Gorchoff. Came across the first mistake. The problem is that a simple check let me know that David Gorchoff never received or pursued his masters at Stamford University. Factually, David Gorchoff was an undergraduate student who happened to have a class with Zimardo. So that felt to me like when Xavier says you got to tell kind of little lies to get people confused. I felt like I needed to confirm who the mole was and to confirm why Latexier put in his book that it was David Gorchoff. It was of course like I said prisoner 2093 who is referred to as the serge the sergeant in particular that I was interested in. One because obviously my eyes he looks like Jean Michelle Truckno. Uh, also he if it is John Michelle Truckno, he would fit the description of a graduate student that might have been working with Zimardo. Zimardo is referring to this as having a degree of acting that's involved. And also because when I access the footage that's publicly available of that prisoner 2093, I am able to detect an unamerican accent. Listen very closely to this. Okay, this is a person when I hear it that knows how to speak English but is struggling with their Rs, right? You got to bring in somebody like Hugh Larry, you know, the show house. He I mean, I had no idea that that man was not American. It shocked me to my core. But most people when you learn a language, especially when you learn a language like, you know, English, uh you might struggle a bit with the Rs, maybe holding them on a little bit too long. So, I'm going to show you a clip of the Sarge, prisoner 2093, and I want you to pay attention to the speech pattern. If we wound you today, would you be willing to give up the day that you've earned so far? I feel the only answer to that question would have to be no, sir. Why? Uh my reasoning behind it would be that were I to give up the pay thus far, it would be an even greater loss of 5 days of my life than it would have been otherwise. I feel that in other words to pay compensates for the time. It doesn't sir. Not I began to realize more and more during the five days that having the time to spend and study um to advance my studies at Stanford University could not be compensated by $15 a day. Okay. I said, "I feel like someone's trying to put on an American accent." And it's about to get weirder as we, like I said, of course, had to send somebody to Stamford University to access the documents. Take a quick break and throw it to some of our sponsors. Some sponsors, by the way, that are going to become very relevant as we get further into the story. First and foremost, Gold Co. 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Was this prisoner the graduate student that was working under Zimardo? So I decided we just have to learn everything that there is to learn about Sarge, you know, prisoner 2093, the Sarge. Surprisingly, Philip Zimardo didn't actually publish a book about the Stamford experiment until 2007. He releases in 2007 the book entitled The Lucifer Effect of all things. And I was wondering why that was. Again, as a part of investigation, you do have to speculate. You have to think, right? You you have the permission to think. And I'm going, is there anything going on in 2007 that made this relevant? No. Okay. I download the book. If my theory holds that this could be Breijgit, then I'm wondering is it possible that something happened to Breijgit and or Emanuel in 2007 that would have required this kind of going back rewriting history if you will. And as it turns out, that just happens to be the year that Breijgit and Emanuel Mcronone get married. They got married in 2007. Now again, I'm just thinking out loud here. In Zimardo's book, he speaks about the Sarge quite a bit. The description of him is that he obeyed all orders in a way that was almost twisted that made people uncomfortable. More on that later. Now, some things again that could have easily debunked my theory is just the physical description that we can find uh that's available regarding prisoner 2093. What is his height? Well, in terms of physicalities, the Sarge was on the short side for a male. The Sarge was just 58. Okay. Breijgit Mcronone today is just above 56 and we know that males shrink one to three inches between the ages of 30 and 70. We're all going downwards. Okay. So this is still a very very much possibility. So I then decide like I told you someone's got to go access the files. Someone's must immediately go to Stanford University. I will put you on a plane. And lo and behold we made that happen. And there were just more unusual things when it came to prisoner 2093. First and foremost, all of the prisoners involved in the experiment and all of the guards were made to sign a media release. Obviously, you have to sign a media release form. Their signatures while they were signing this obviously were to be witnessed by a third party. All of the prisoners had a third-party witness, meaning someone other than Philip Zimardo, who signed off on their media releases, with the exceptions of Glenn Gee and the Sarge, known as Tom Williams, both in the Lucifer effect. His name is uh Thomas Thompson and then he's Thomas Williams in Latexier's book. And the signature reads Thomas C. Williams, but the only person that witnessed that signing is dead and would have been a conflict of interest for a witness signature. It's Philip Zimardo himself. Okay. Then there is a box at Stanford University which holds the prison uniforms. Curiously, prisoner 2093 Smok is missing. There's a small off chance that it could be in Ohio. We have somebody going to access that now. They're being very cy about what they have and what they don't have. But suffice it to say, the majority is all supposed to be at Stanford and it's not there. Maybe because that would have held DNA of some description if you're sweating in the prison. Right. Also in the archives at Stamford is a list of all of the addresses that correspond to the prisoners because remember they had to pick up the prisoners for their fake arrest. These prisoners had to be fake arrested so that they could so they therefore arranged where the pickups would take place. Prisoner 2093 is the only prisoner whose address is listed as the first floor of the undergraduate library. The man has no address. Oh, that's right. He's living in his car. No way to trace them that way. You can always go back with address records and look through things. That's a dead avenue. On days four and five of the experiment, Philip Zimardo allowed the parents to visit their sons, and there exists in the archives a typed up list of those parents who visited. Zimardo curiously remarks that he's not sure who it is that visited prisoner 2093. He writes, "Maybe his dad." Okay, let's take a look at the individual because this exists. There's a tape of this who visits prisoner 2093. This is the only footage that's been made available of from visiting day regarding prisoner 2093. Take a look. Now, there's no audio on this, but I don't think that that individual looks like they could be a dad. This person actually looks like he's maybe the same age, exact same age as our 2093. Okay. There's also a digital archive, a typed up sheet. Obviously, must have been typed up decades after. Um, where they record that 2093 was visited by someone named Warren Feras. Okay. Warren, last name spelled Fur A. We have no idea who that individual may be. That doesn't even sound like a real last name. I have looked through online available records. I can't find even one person with the last name F U R A S to begin tracing. So, that's rather mysterious. And of course, the biggest thing is going through these media releases, which included, like I said, all of the guards and all the prisoners. There is no David Gorchoff who has signed a release. But I thought David was the mole. Surely you would have had David sign one of these media releases if he was your mole. It's been released to the media this footage. So at the same time I had Skyler, my producer, reach out to Jonathan Mark, the guard who did the Reddit AMA and he said he knew them all. So the easiest way to debunk myself because truly I wanted to quickly debunk this was to just have him say, "Yeah, this is David Gorchop. I know him." Miraculously, we were able to get in touch with Jonathan Marx. He told us that he was happy to jump on the phone with me the next morning, even though he was in Asia. So, it was nighttime, our time. We got on the phone with him at about 10 p.m. at night. And the conversation, I mean, Jonathan Mark was detailed. He was descriptive. He spoke about all of the flaws in Zimardo's experiment. He told me that he thought Latexier did a really good book. And I told him like, "No, I feel like Latexier kind of left out the part where it was one big giant conflict of interest because so many of these people had ties to the military and the military funded the experiment." Um, then I asked him about that mole. I asked him about that Reddit AMA that he had done just 10 years ago and got a little bit iffy. He told us that the mole was he thought married to a girl that a friend of his in high school used to date, but then he let us know he doesn't really remember much about the mole. He doesn't even really remember his name. Maybe it's maybe it's David Gorchoff. He's not sure. I didn't feel great about that part. So then I started asking myself, why did Jonathan Mark, the guard, suddenly do that AMA in March of 2015? That's nearly 45 years after the initial experiment. This guy jumps and he does an AMA on Reddit to talk about this experiment. Ask the question again, thinking out loud, was there anything going on in Emanuel Mcronone and Breijit's life that might have been significant? And I kid you not, in March of 2015, the exact week that he did this AMA Reddit feed is exactly when Emanuel Mcronone is first introduced to the French public. You can see this on his Wikipedia page. I can't make this up. It says Mcronone first became known to the French public after his appearance on the French TV program Deu de Ax in March of 2015. Okay, that's pretty particular. I thought that's a little bit weird. Let's just keep going. We got to we got to try again. And I tell Skylar, reach out to him this time with a very clear picture of David Gorchoff. I've now hunted that down. This person he described 10 years ago as an acquaintance. He was supposedly this guy is supposedly the mole. Ask him point blank whether or not this man this photo of this man was the mole that he remembers in the experiment. He tells us he doesn't know. He doesn't remember now. So that's a that's a dead end. At this point, I wanted to look more closely at the language of prisoner 2000 of prisoner 2093 because even if you do master a language, it's difficult to master its delivery. Do you guys know what I'm saying? Like there's slang, there's dialect, there's a certain swag and delivery when you speak a language. So, you can always kind of spot a foreigner. They're almost a bit too proper is one thing. Obviously, when you learn a language, you learn it properly. You don't learn slang. And so we just decide to take a look at the transcript. So we can't hear him say this, but there's a transcript that's available on the Stanford archive website of the Sarge. It's his exit interview, and he's asked about his behavior about him obeying every single order. He did not. He did everything that he was supposed to do. He says, you know, he kind of loved the orders and following along. And we're going to read from that transcript. Okay, this is what um prisoner 2093 said. Let's pull up the transcript. I suppose you could say I was playing my best role because I believe that life is really it depends upon what role you play as to how you act in almost any situation that I've been in. I can describe it in terms of the role that I am playing. And being in prison, having to follow all these rules, it was one of the first opportunities I've had to play the basic role or at least as far as I can understand the basic role on which the other roles are built. And I can't describe self in terms of anything but role. I believe that the most important thing is results and not what the attempts are. person comes back to them and says, "I'm not quite sure what you mean by that." 2093 continues, "I mean I would change to most any role, not most any role that can be built upon the basic role in order to accomplish what the basic role would want to accomplish but could not accomplish by itself." Oh, I see. Okay. And then they go on and ask uh the person asks him, "Okay, I see. Suppose the random selection had ended up with you being a guard instead. How do you think you could have gotten into the role of a guard? 2093 says, "I think that I could have gotten into the role of a good guard. I think I could have gotten into the role to where I would be satisfied by someone else's standards. I don't know. That's just weird. Can we just all acknowledge that that's weird? All this roll talk saying the self what? That's not how Americans speak. Okay. That's certainly not you. You tell me this is some person that was just in his car and was a student and and that we're talking about everyone's on LSD because the CIA is just putting it all over California. Hippie generation. Yeah, man. That's cool. And this guy just pops in and is talking about the role of self and this and all like it's way too proper. It's also weird. It's like detached from their self and saying that they could fill any role. It feels like they're laughing at us a little bit there. You can compare that, by the way, to other transcripts. And the other people that are being interviewed sound like Americans. They sound casual. This is Jim Rooney, prisoner number 4325. And he's asked about whether or not the experience has been hard on him. He says, "It's a lot stricter. It's a lot Well, it's my vision of being a prisoner, something you see in the movies as someone who lies around in a cell. This takes a little bit more than that. You have to give up just about all individuality." Um, I'm doing exactly what the guards tell me to do, just being pretty obedient. And then the person's going back and forth and you can just see it's when you go through the transcripts, everyone else is so much more casual. So now I'm locked in. Something is not right with prisoner 2093. I don't know. No, but I know, you know, I'm not kidding when I say that I even prayed on it because I felt spiritually something very evil was going on. And all of this, I want to be clear, is God's timing, right? Because naturally, right now, what's coinciding with this is that we are learning and reading about Sigman Freud in my book club. We are reading the assault on truth. We are reading about Sigman Freud, the rapid abuse of children that was happening in Paris. Um, how he gaslit these children. He was working under Charco in Paris. When he then flips the script and says, "No, no, the children are attracted to their parents." It was incestuous abuse. Um, and in the next book that we're going to read, we're going to learn my book club about Sigman Freud again, but we're going to learn about the fact that he was a cabalist. He owned a Zohar. If there is anything to know about Cabalists, it's that the numbers matter deeply to them. Numerology is important. So, I say to myself, the numbers of the prisoners, they cannot be random. They like they are random but they can't be random. They have to hold some sort of a meaning. They're all over the place, right? Some of them are three digits. Some of them are four digits. There's no flow. Why would somebody do this more than anything else? Just difficult for you if you're controlling this experiment. It's difficult to keep track of all of these numbers. Wouldn't you just want to make somebody like three, four, five, whatever it is. And then it hits me. Everything about this experiment is military. These numbers must be military. They must hold military significance. And lo and behold, I'm so ignorant about the military. I didn't know people that are in the Navy. How do you send a letter to someone that is on a military base? What does it mean when you put a zip code and then you have to attach to it a unit number? If you're going to send mail, it corresponds to military bases. And lo and behold, the prisoner numbers just so happened to correspond to 1971 military bases. And I'm going to go through those for you guys right now. Doug Corp was uh 8612. That is the number for that was assigned for the Naval Weapons Station in Long Beach, California. And it is incredible that that one took me a while to hack because apparently when it's a medical center, a medical facility, they give them what's known as DMIS numbers. But again, Long Beach, California. We then have Clay Ramsay 416 correlates to the engineering team in Vietnam. The Naval CB team 416. I found their yearbook. I'm going through it and I suspect that I'm going to find a familiar face. 1037. I told you that Richard Yako's father was in the Navy. I told you he was an engineer. That corresponds to the USS Bronstein. Uh the commander was Stanley Thomas Counts who ran engineering at Hughes aircraft ship hole 1037. Glenn Gee that 3401 corresponds to the USS Darter. Um, Darter in 1971 was moved to San Diego in that ex very year to support seventh fleet operations. Uh, Paul Baron 5704 that is the armed forces of Europe, Canada, uh, the post code 5074 and the Middle East. Uh, Wit Hubble. We've been having trouble finding anything about WhitHubble, so we are unsure about 7258. Somebody out there will be able to let me know. We have had trouble even establishing who his family is, if he's connected to the Hubble telescope. So, we just have nothing but question marks when it comes to Whit Hubble. Steuart Levin 819 that was the Naval Post in 1971 in Spain. They sent out the MC4 engineering team. They arrived there in July of 1971. Jim Rooney 4325. Um, that corresponds to the Moffett Air, I'm sorry, Camp Pendleton and uh, am I reading that right? Moffett Federal Airfield. Yeah, Mountain View, California. Sorry. Where the Army Reserves 7th Psychological Operations Group is based. We also have Jerry Shu. Jerry Shu. We have Camp Pendleton, CA. That is, of course, also a naval base in California. And then last but not least, and you guys don't have to show this next one because I want to speak through this. Tom Williams prisoner 2093. Is this a naval base? I get a hit, guys. I do get a hit of a naval base that it corresponds to, the naval unit rather, that it corresponds to. And it is the only naval unit on the list that is not Americanowned. And it just so happens to be Frenchowned. Clipperton Island. Who knew a naval base on Clipperton Island? First thing I'm thinking is what the heck is Clipperton Island? I'm wondering if it's me. My husband then says he's never heard of Clipperton Island. And that's crazy because my husband is the king of geography. Xavier Busousard says he's never heard of Clipperton Island. So, let me show you this island that apparently not many people have heard of that has a had a military naval base and presence. That is a French island. Check this out on the map. Yep. Let's go in here. Clipperton. What the heck goes on at Clipperton Island? It's incredible. Yeah, it is the I believe it said the only French island in the um upper Pacific. I think that's correct. You can fact check me on that. So, I'm wondering what goes on on Clipperton Island. Nobody knows. Okay. It's like people are asking questions. The most you can find really is that it's got a pretty gory history. I think even on that link that you said that you just had up, it says that there's a lot of weird stuff that happens there. It's got folklore. I'm wondering what kind of folklore why is France what what's France doing on Clipper Island. And now I'm starting to feel real sure that prisoner 2093 is suspicious. So Skyler says, "Let's just message Jonathan Marks. He's being open and communicative. Uh let's just ask him flat out about prisoner 2093." And of course we should have done that from the beginning. Um the Sarge was a very big deal per Zimardo's book. All of the inmates allegedly hated him. They gave him that nickname, the Sarge, because he was so militant. Skyler texts Jonathan Mark, and he tells him the truth. Hey, we've gone through the Stanford files. We're a bit struck by the fact that there's no information that allows us to look further into prisoner 2093. His name, Thomas C. Williams. Can you can you help us out? Like, who is this guy? Kid you not when I say that. comes back with a response and he says, quote, "I have no recollection of him and wasn't even aware of his existence." End quote. Shut down. Shut down. Oh, I'm sorry. You were not aware of his existence. There was only nine prisoners that were involved in this. You've been you you've been speaking about this from the very beginning. You are in magazines. You were involved in documentaries. You were involved in the recent documentary that was involved that that was about this on Hulu. You're telling me now all of a sudden this prisoner who Zimardo has featured prominently in his book. You don't remember. You know nothing about this guy. You told us that you read Latexier's book that you read Zimardo's book. They talk about the Sarge. What do you mean you don't know he existed? That's pretty strong. I know he exists. You don't know that he exists. Skyler goes back a little bit of details. This is the Sarge. You know Thomas? Don't you know him? He says, "Not really. Nothing. Shut it down." Okay. All right. We're on to something here. It's uh prisoner 2093 that's being protected to say the least. Okay. The last piece of this that I had to solve for though was Zimardo's lie. But the biggest piece of the lie that he tells where he says these were all middle class was when we realized as I told you guys in last Thursday's episode that one of the guards Chuck Burton was a Rothschild descendant. Roth middle class kids. No Chucky Burton granddad's running Sears. You're the herstat family. Like hurtstat like the bank. What are we doing here? Feels kind of weird that you're pretending to be a poor kid that was backpacking and needed 15 bucks. And then now if if I'm correct and this is Jean Michelle Trugno then that would mean that at least two Roth's child agents you could say maybe were there connections connected to the Rothschilds maybe maybe a more appropriate way to say that Chuck Burton and John Michelle. No. Why? What is it about the Rothschilds that would have put these individuals here? Historically speaking, and I'm going on gut here. I'm thinking to myself, the Rothschilds are really only known to care about one thing. I mean, this is a family that's been around for generations, but when we're talking about gold, the Rothschilds come up, you know, just historically speaking. I know today that's considered anti-semitism, but it's just a fact. you know, they're known to care about banking. It's a banking dynasty, right? And then I think to myself, okay, but obviously nothing was going on in 1971 pertaining to gold, you guys. You guys, this is crazy wrong. Major stuff was going on. Okay. So, first and foremost, you should know that from 1959 to 69, the president of France was Charles de Gaulle. Okay. He was Charles de Gaulle. And what happened was Charles de Gaulle got a little bit MAGA in the end because the conversation of global globalizing the Federal Reserve system was coming up. America had already domestically converted to the fiat system. Okay? So, it used to be that your dollar was backed by gold and then they said, "You know what? We're doing away with that. We're kind of moving to a debt society. The government's going to kind of make the decisions, lol, about what actually exists." America had already moved away from that domestically. But in 1971, Richard Nixon is in is is president, right? And they're talking about like lo and behold, hey, we're going to do this thing internationally. Like, we are like we're going all fiat. we're just going to global globalize this uh Federal Reserve system, right? Charles de Gaul was anti- this. He didn't like this at all. And he starts saying he's not he's not going to do this. And so, lo and behold, what happens is effectively a color revolution. People start protesting in the streets in France and says he's got to just step down. It's got to be over. Charles de Gaulle gets overthrown. Get out of here, you MAGA guy. talking about concerns about French citizens making sure they didn't become slaves to debt. You got to go and in his place gets installed George Pompadoo. Okay, George Pompadoo becomes the president of France. He was be he was uh initially the prime minister. He now becomes the president. And in 1971, the very year of the Stanford experiment, guess what France did? France repatriated all of their gold from America. They said, "Give us our gold back. We want all of our gold." And this um military effort, obviously, the military had to transfer this literal gold from America. Uh, it has never to this day been revealed what naval ships were involved in moving this gold in 1971 from America back to presumably to France. I I don't know if it went to France. Nobody knows. There's no answer to where all of this gold went. I don't know. But it would make sense that maybe this could be a reason that if you're the Rothschild and you're concerned with banking, you would want to make sure that family members and people that were very close to you were involved in this. So I am seized. I am seized. I must know what goes on. Anything. If you guys know anything about what goes on on Clipperton Island, you must email tips at candace Owens.com because I'm on to this. If you guys know anything about prisoner 2093, the very mysterious Tom Williams, uh you must email tips at candace.com to let you guys know. We have already gone through the files that are public and available um on the Stamford website. We are we know I know that we are close here and the implications as I begin to look at what was going on and this CB team and what these engineers were sent out to do in Vietnam and what another other teams that were involved in Korea. The implications here are quite severe. We're talking about the Federal Reserve. You want to get unal alive real quick as a president in America, you start saying, "Bring back the gold standard." No, no, no, no, no. We will enslave the world with debts. That is the purpose of the Federal Reserve. So, I'm on to you, prisoner 2093. Like I said, the wonderful thing about the stupidity of this lawsuit is that it will allow for us to subpoena this information. I'm sending you guys down a lot of rabbit holes, but certainly any information about Guy Shopan. Um, also information about where that moniker Thomas C. Williams could have come from. Does it perhaps correlate to the military? I think I saw that there was somebody in the military named Thomas Carol Williams. Um maybe people that can search in the National Archives we can prod the narrative further about Clipperton Island. I would be very grateful. tips at candanace oowens.com because we are essentially right now the decentralized um intelligence agency. 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Like we were just like literally we're just torturing in sadistic experimentation. And it's all leading to this moment. It's all leading to this moment. Tropic writes, I wish true justice will be seen. Me as well very much. Also, uh, Tropic writes, "All experiments belong to the military. Good and bad. It's all about the military." Yeah, I am thinking that we do exist under the military. That's why I even noticed on some of my episodes there are like military bots literally people whose jobs it is in the military to dissuade Americans from watching certain content. You we saw a lot of that uh when Israel wanted to go after Iran. You saw suddenly this increase in bots. It was so botted. Marbley writes, "Is the CIA shirt a case of the truth hidden in plain sight? We need to ask these questions." Um, it's maybe you can't see it, but it's our, you know, how we say that we are the new CIA, the Kansas intelligence agency. No, that wasn't me um saying I was in the CIA. It was me saying that we are the decentralized intelligent agency. And we dropped this line because everybody was like, "We need a hat." So, you can actually go get that. It's available on our website. We have new merch. It's obviously tongue and cheek. Um, if I'm in the CIA, man, I don't know what their aim is. That would be absolutely crazy. Um Jay Nocal writes, "It takes a lot of balls to be the first lady of France." Liam Momberg writes, "Love and light from South Africa. We are with you." Jonathan Wernern writes, "And and thank you, by the way. I love South Africa. A lot of stuff, a lot of funny business going on there and a lot of funny business that happened there." Jonathan Wernern writes, "Hey Candace, keep spreading the truth. Have you seen the new trailer for the biblical horror movie The Carpenter Son? I would love your thoughts on it." I have not seen the trailer. I don't watch movies anymore. Um, I just kind of read books. I'm just fascinated with learning real history because I think that truth is kind of I mean what what actually has happened. The events of our world is obviously as the expression goes way stranger in fiction than fiction. Sparky writes, "Don't make too much about the 800 lb electromagnet 8,000lb electromagnet until more is known about it. They're commonly used in cranes in scrap metal yards. That's probably what it's for. Don't give Breit and Co. ammo. Oh no, there's more. There is more about that particular ship and what it was involved in, but thank you for your commentary. I can only give you guys so much in one episode, but uh that's not the only lawsuit that it was involved in and of course where it was going in California and what time it was going there. Brian Schwarz writes, "The basic role may be a brainwashing model for the rest of the prisoners perhaps." Yeah, it's very strange. The interviews that you watch with that prisoner, what's made available, they're they're weird. They're just very, very weird and it feels like theater. Mary Everett writes, "I went through withdrawals when you were gone. Don't do that to us again. You get no sick days." Okay, fine. Fair. I got it. Uh, Adventure Fun Times writes, "Haggger says in his book that in the 1770s, Freemasonry was used to ferment revolution, not to practice the occult, and that some factions of Freemasonry were upset with other factions because many were not practicing the occult. Mcronone's close friends are pedophiles. Uh George Washington's close friends were devout Catholics and Protestants. We should really talk about American history. Time to join um like I that's something we everything you think you know about American history is wrong except for the fact that yeah, it was a Freemason race and the wrong Freemasons won is what I'll say. Alaska dog lady writes, "Cradle Catholic who left the faith for ages, returned as a Protestant, but I've gone back to mass and the Holy Spirit led me to enroll my kids in OCIC today. Celebrate with me." That is absolutely amazing. Um, and let me tell you guys, that is the one resource that they are most interested in. It is our children. Uh, it is incumbent upon us to guard our children, mind, body, and soul. Uh, not kidding. That is there is it's so obvious. We now live in what I would describe a post Epstein world, okay? Where they're just masked down right now. They are masked down in this moment. They are trying to lay on the Freudian strategy of gaslighting us as they abuse us. Thick, the media is trying to make us think we're crazy. Why are you paying attent like nope, you guys have all gone mask down. Of course, by the way, uh I was telling you guys that there's this show that was very popular in America. It is very popular, White Lotus. And in this last season of White Lotus, there was unnecessarily uh incest and people just turned it off and didn't want to watch it. And then it turns out that there was this K-pop, very popular K-pop singer that was in that season. She did not take part in the uh incest scene, but she had never before acted uh and she was put into this particular season, the incest season, so to speak. Well, it turns out they believe she got this role because she is dating Bernard Arno, who we know is in the orbit of the Mcron and Breijit Mcronone herself gave that K-pop singer an award. And beyond that, they have just announced that the new season of White Lotus is going to be filmed in Paris the next season. So, let's just I know there's just so much happening right now. would just go I don't know France but perhaps the government collapsing is um what needed to happen because I don't know what is in the LA palace uh but it ain't it is not a woman named uh Breijit Mcron it is not a woman by any stretch of the imagination and this person is quite evil quite sinister the things this person I believe has always been involved in so we're going to keep proddding the narrative on the Stanford prison experiment send us everything you have if you want to support our decentralized intelligence agency. Send us the tips to [email protected]. Buy yourself a hat. The decentralized intelligence agency is all over the world. Okay? There's no way to stop us. We're we're just all being awakened to how evil, how sick, and how sinister it all is. But Breijgit, wow, the lynchpin of it all. Why make Breijit the first lady? I want you to think about that. We're going to jump back into it tomorrow, but that's something, right? quite stunning to go, okay, you got away with so much. What's this next step? What's this represent to you? It has to be almost theological. I'll leave it there. We'll see you guys tomorrow. [Music]