We actually don't live in the
third dimension going into the fifth dimension, we perceive the
third dimension and we are starting to perceive the fifth
dimension. So actually it's not that we are moving from one to
another is that we are amplifying our point of view.
That would be actually the reality is not that you are
going to leave the Philippines to live the third dimension you
have to die I'd like to welcome to the show
Matias De Stefano. How are you doing Matias? Thank you for inviting me. Of course, thank you so much for
coming on the show, like I was telling you before we started,
you are like the number one guests that my audience has been
like always in the comments, you have to get Matias on, you have
to get Matias on. So they apparently want you and I to
have a conversation. So I am I'm really looking forward to this
conversation. So thank you again for taking the time out my
friend. So first question, when did you become aware of your
spiritual calling, because you have a unique story to say the
least? Well, I, I was born in an
agnostic family. So I had no spiritual background, no
religion. So I had no idea what was a spiritual calling,
actually. I, I started to understand or to, to listen
about spirituality when I was actually 17. When, when my mom
and I started to look for help, trying to understand what was
happening to me. So we enter in the spiritual world, trying to
find out how to handle my own things. But since I was born, I,
I, I knew I was different somehow, mainly when I was 12
years old. And things turned out to be much more deep for me,
like remembering past lives, the universe and everything. And
when I was 14, my guides from other dimensions started to
explain me that I had a mission, that I have to accomplish that
mission. In certain years, I have to speak to people and do
this and do that. So I kind of knew that I had some kind of
connection with something. But I never related it with
spirituality, for me was like, the natural thing that most of
the people have. So So actually, I realized that it was something
from the spirituality when I was 17. And other people told me. What so what was happening to
you that you're like, to your parents had to like, or your mom
had to, like start looking like what's happening to my son? Like
what was happening to you? You know, exactly. Well, at first, of course, like
many children have this invisible friends that usually
you play with it. But suddenly, I was learning things from them.
They were teaching me about photonics, they were teaching me
about stones, they were teaching me about emotions, about
history, they were helping me to in my homework. So they were
telling me stories. And so that was all normal and natural,
until I was 12 years old, and one of them told me next week,
you will start to remember, and we cannot help you with that,
you will have to deal with it until you figure out why you're
gonna start to remember. And we're gonna be here to support
you, but we cannot explain to you. So I stopped seeing them.
And I started to feel different beings that were not like
childhood things. But they were more like guides and people that
were around and explaining to me about my mission and what I have
to do. So I started to remember about the last 2000 years of my
history, what I was doing in Africa than what I was doing in
Europe, and different lives and, and all mixed, so it was all a
mess. And when I was 16 I started to remember myself who I
was in the universe. So I started to remember dimensions,
different realities. I thought I was getting crazy. I my my mom
actually thought I was a very creative person. And everyone
around me, they thought, Oh, he's a very creative person. And
all the kids wanted to listen to my stories and what I was what I
was remembering and they were sharing to me their feet
ceilings but very, like, afraid of it. And so some teachers too,
they start to ask me questions. But it turned out to be very
difficult for me to handle a normal life with all that in my
head. And so I ended up going to psychologists and some of them
said, I was special. Other ones are saying, you have
schizophrenia. So I ended up believing that I had
schizophrenia. But my mom said, No, you don't, you just have a
mess in your head, and you need order. So, so we were always
looking for someone helping me trying to organize what I had in
my head. And, and we ended up with this people that helped me
energetically to organize what was happening within me. And,
and since that moment, I started to understand much better. So
that was the path until I was 18 19 years old, when I kind of
knew what it was all about. So it seems like a you
definitely went through a gauntlet within your own mind
how to Now you remember all your lives for the last 12,000 years.
And as I've spoken to spiritual masters around the world, the
concept of remembering your past lives can be dangerous, knowing
too much about where you came from, because it could affect
the current incarnation. So my question to you is, how do you
deal with this knowledge and not only some knowledge, very
detailed knowledge of many, if not all of your past lives for
the last 12,000 years walking around, in this reality in this
incarnation, with a library of information from other
lifetimes? Like how do you deal with that psychologically? Yeah, it was very difficult
because I started to remember as a child, not right, though,
right. And so for me was like, like, very chaotic. So I had no
idea what what was actually happening, and all the
information was mixed. And every time that I had the chance to
speak with one of my guides, they said, don't think about it,
just write about it, and make drawings about it. But don't
think about it, because you have nothing to do with it. Now. It
all will make sense in the future. But this is the right
moment for you to remember. So go through the emotion. And
remember that emotion is the keeper of information. So that's
why you have to feel it, not think it. And so I went through
hell, because I was feeling every one of my dad's all the
people that died around me, all the different things that I
couldn't accomplish, me being the bad guy, maybe and the good
guy, we have so many lives as a woman, confusing me this life as
a man. So it was like, so many things. So many confusing
things, and then other realities. So yes, so
eventually, eventually, one of my guides told me to, to do a
specific meditation that was watching a wall for a long time.
And every thought and emotion that was coming to me, I would
suppose to leave it in that world, like, concentrated in the
tiniest part that I could ever imagine inside that wall, and
put it there until I just see the white wall. And it helped me
to clear my mind until everything was empty. Like,
suddenly, from that moment. Since that specific moment, I
started to have my mind blank. And whenever someone asked me
something, the information was coming through. But I was not
thinking about it. So it helped me to basically get rid of all
this data and information that were in actually useful. Because
I said, for example, if I had to explain to someone why a pyramid
exists, why don't you give me the information of the pyramid
instead of having to suffer all this? I don't know. My husband
died in another life, my children or whatever and feeling
the love with my grandmother in that life. Why why suffering so
much with so many memories and this Because you remember the
pyramids, through the love that you felt, but the people that
were there learning with you what the permit was, because
nobody remembers things just because of information, you
remember things because you feel things. So you need to remember
the emotion of those people or the those situations you were
in, in order to access the information that you that you
knew in that moment Is emotion, the medium, like
paper to writing, like, you can't write something down
unless there's a place to write it down. And that's how the
information, so is the emotion kind of like the paper of, of
connecting to that kind of information? Not always, of course, but as a
teenager, yes. So with that, let me ask you,
because I mean, you you have so much information inside of you,
and so much knowledge that you guys have been given you. Did
you sign up for this, obviously, and your soul plan? And your
blueprint? Do you remember? going, Oh, I'm gonna go through
this hell. I'm gonna, you know, go through all of this. Do you
remember that? Yeah, I remember. Yeah. So let me ask you this, when you
finally started to come out, out of the quote, unquote, spiritual
closet, doing the work that you're doing, I imagine that
there's a lot of people around you family friends that just
looked at you like you were nuts. How did you deal with
losing very close relationships, because I happens to a lot of
people who come out spiritually, to do a mission, or to talk or
to channel or to talk about their near death experiences. It
happens very often. I'd love to hear how you dealt with it. Yeah, well, I as I said, my
enbart, my context was not religious. But they also had an
any belief in anything, like, they were not like, against
spirituality. But they were not into it, either. And when I
started to speak about this, it was never from a spiritual point
of view. It was always about me feeling this, me leaving that.
And when I started to share it with my friends, my friends
actually, were very close to me. Even more, like it was not like
yeah, for me was very easy, because actually, my friends
were not like this kind of friends. That making bullying to
me like, Oh, you're crazy or whatever. It's that loco. Yeah no, actually, they were
very engaged with with it. And of course, there were some
others. Like, in school, like, always, there is. But even
though they said crazy face to like, like, You're crazy, or
whatever, they all kind of believed what happened. So, so
even though some of them were scared of me, some of them were,
some of them were like, like, you know, bullied me, but when
they were along with me, they would ask me questions, you
know, so yes, and in my family, the one that it was difficult
the most for to understand was my my auntie. It was out of her
box. And so that eventually, she engaged with it, because they
all knew that I am a very bad liar. Like, all the people that
knows me since I was like, a child. If you told me to lie, I
was like, I did or he did it. So it was impossible for me to lie
in anything. So this so my family was like, We believe what
is happening to this guy, and because basically, we know that
he cannot lie. So that's the only reason why this why they
believe me, basically. And, yeah, so So, for me, for me, I
didn't have to deal much with it. Because also, I never
expected for someone to believe me, actually. Like, I wasn't, I
didn't have the need of why didn't they don't believe me?
Because there was always someone in my family or my friends or
the neighborhood that were there listening to me or willing to to
To share and listen to what I was saying. It's interesting because you
know, both you and I are Latinos and in our culture, it is kind
of in the DNA, like the spirituality, the psychics, the
mediums, the La bruho, Los anteros, these kinds of things,
it's kind of in our DNA. Why do you think what I've always
wanted to find out? Maybe you can answer it? Why is it so
culturally accepted in Latin American countries and Caribbean
countries, Central America, Mexico, that these ideas are
embraced much easier than the West? Do you find that, by the
way is the truth? Yeah, totally. Basically, the
Latin reality. It's a mix of all the animistic tradition,
polytheistic traditions, and African traditions, Paul Mixon
as one. So all of those traditions were based in the
ability to connect with spirits, inability to listen to the
trees, to the animals, to follow a God that has feathers and a
tale of a snake. So so even if Christian ism came, the mix of
all those cultures were so strong, that spirituality is
something beyond religion. Because it's in the isn't a mix
of traditions. In Europe, they had at least 2000 years of just
few religions. Christianism, Islam, so it was not very rich,
for the last 200 years in Europe. It was a very few maybe
in the British islands, Scotland, Ireland, like the most
connected with spirituality, the old traditions, maybe in the
north of Scandinavia, but for the rest of Europe, and all the
people that moved to the United States, it was all about
escaping those realities, or following only one tradition. So
I think that for Latin America is much more rich, because of
the African tradition coming to Central America, to Brazil, all
the different tribes that were mixed, that got the spirituality
of Europe that it was just 100 years, or 200 years of all these
traditions mixing like, it's, it's still very alive. And I
think that for Argentina is very different. Because Argentina, we
are kind of that of one of the only countries with you the why,
in South America that actually doesn't have much deep
tradition, tradition, from, from all this mix of cultures, we
have much more European tradition. But our our
institutions, from the very beginning were very light system
places. So we didn't have much religion. So usually Argentina
and Uruguay are much about psychoanalysis than
spirituality. So instead of instead of saying, oh, a spirit,
Tony, that is like, Who do you think you're talking to? And
what is your feeling about what you're receiving? No, no, it's
more like, it was more like psychoanalysis. So everyone is
like wandering, instead of talking about spirits. So that
also helped me in my, in my environment. There wasn't it wasn't an
accident that you were born into a Latin culture, though we know
the Argentinian culture no less, which is the spiritual in South
America. But it wasn't an accident that that you know, you
weren't? Yeah. So let's turn to useful. You've spoken a lot
about the nine dimensions, and the different dimensions of
reality. As I've studied over the years in the yogic
traditions in the Hindu traditions, they also talk about
these levels of dimensions. Can you explain to the audience what
those levels of dimensions are? Of course, there are infinite
dimensions? Yes. And it's not only nine, nine dimensions are
the ones that we can actually relate to in the aspects of
creation. But then you can have infinite dimensions like you
could possibly imagine. The thing is that a dimension is
basically a measurement you go through. Now, it's like, it's
like you have something and you have different points of views
from which you can perceive that something like if you have a
sphere, you have 360 degrees. So 360 dimensions of that reality.
If you have a tetrahedron, then you have six lines and four
triangles that will shape this six dimensions with other four
dimensions in the shape of Trinity's. So you can have
infinite amounts of dimensions of something, we tend to confuse
dimension with realms. And that's the Christian or Semitic
tradition of thinking, we are in the Third World, and then there
are angels, then you have Archangels. And then you have
this. So usually we relate dimensions with realms, but it's
not the same thing. Okay, and dimension is actually different
points of view of the same reality. So I usually describe
the nine that are the basis of our existence, because we all
come from unity. And that unity, in order to exist, needs to
express into another one. So it creates polarity, which is the
second dimension. The second dimension is the one that
manifest a third point, because these two, when they move, they
create a third aspect, which is an axis between these two. So
that's the third dimension. So you have three points of view
now. And these three points of view are moving one around the
other. So that creates the fourth dimension, which is time,
the fourth dimension, then starts to generate energy, and
light, which is the fifth dimension, then this shape, can
change or switch its position, which is the sixth dimension,
then the sixth dimension, can transcend and manifest itself
into another totally different reality, which is the seventh
dimension. And then you have all the infinite possibilities of
those changes, which is the toroid, or the eighth dimension.
And it all comes back to the Divine, which is the essence, or
the very idea of why everything exists, which is the ninth
dimension, that takes you again to the one. So the ninth
dimension actually shape, and execution, which is a cube. So
when you have a cube, you actually encode it to that you
have the Merkaba, which is two tetrahedrons. If you expand the
cube, you have the dodecahedron if you fertilize the
dodecahedron, you have the accent hedron sorry,
icosahedron. And if you go to the core of all the system, you
have the octahedron. So basically, the ninth I
mentioned, open the door for the creation of the five main
solids, the geometry that generates everything in our
reality. So that's why I used to describe the nine point of view
of this reality because everything that exists is based
in this space. So then let me ask you this,
there's so much I've heard and please correct me that we are we
living in a three dimensional world than there is we're all
evolving to a fifth dimension. Is that true? Or how What's your
perspective on that? We actually don't live in the
third dimension going into the fifth dimension. Yeah, we are we
perceive the third dimension and we are starting to perceive the
fifth dimension. Okay. So actually, it's not that we are
moving from one to another is that we are amplifying our point
of view that would be actually the reality is not that you're
gonna leave the third branch to live the third dimension you
have to die. So then the so this other side
that that our souls go to when you were making your blueprint
and where souls are and where your guides are and all of this
I'm assuming that's the same place. What what dimension is
that or is that a realm? My guides, my guides usually are
in the fifth dimension like most of the guides, I think he
mentioned because Archangels, Ascended Masters. Masters Yeah, masters. Usually
the fifth dimension is related to him for Meishan. So it's all
the pure energy. But that pure energy doesn't have time.
Neither space. So, because doesn't have that. That's why
sometimes when we connect with them, they send us information
and data that we cannot handle now, it's like, we are giving
this to you, and you say, but why how I have no idea how to do
this. And we tend to, to get desperate. Because for them,
there's no time or space. So maybe they can tell you when you
are eight years old that you have to solve something when
you're 68. And so because for them is it's just that is
information. And for us, it's an emotional process. That's interesting. So yeah,
it's kind of like our hardware, it's just not capable of
handling the software, or the information coming in. Like the
computer's like, yeah, it's like the operating system is just not
can't handle it. Yeah, totally. It's, it's
basically that it's like trying to, to download all the
information that we have today in the internet, in a computer
from the ages. Yeah, just Couldn't even process the basic
webpage. Exactly that. So then the realms of the angels and
archangels are that's at a hot again, higher, it's not, in our
person, our perception higher meaning a sixth dimension, or
higher than that. The angels, demons, and all
these creatures usually can be moved from the fourth to the
fifth dimension, then you have the archangels in the sixth
dimension, Sara fins in the seventh dimension, so we can
kind of relate spiritual beings to the dimensions. But they're
not. Usually like that I the way we can perceive this, for
example, is you yourself in this third dimension, you are
dispersed person. But like me, my tears here. But in the fourth
dimension, my expression of myself could be an angel. So the
being that I call an angel, when I see an angel might be just
myself projected, is not that is another one that lives in the
fourth dimension besides me, It could just be a project.
Because our souls can feature our souls can project in
multiple places at the same time. It's kind of like you've
seen your higher self, I've heard that often that you you'd
like to meet your higher self or connect your higher self, it's
just you know, exactly. But it's, It's like the mirror reality is
like a mirror reality. So you are in the center of the mirror.
And you're not even the sense that you believe you're in the
center. But actually you are a reflection of someone else. So
you are a reflection in the third dimension of someone that
is in the ninth dimension that has so many reflections that
they look different. So you think there are different people
but actually it's yourself in different dimensions. It's so so
you so so we usually call our guides to people that we think
they're outside ourselves, but actually it's our own mind. In
the fifth dimension talking to us in the third dimension With the mind would it be a mind
or consciousness because it wouldn't be like technically our
mind it would be our consciousness or awareness? It
would be an awareness Yeah. So but your guides aren't just you
you actually have other spirit guides around you as well
correct? Yeah, it could be but sometimes
maybe it's a higher version of spirit like a master in the
fifth dimension that in this reality is your cat. That's terrifying I have cats
that's terrified if they're if they're my masters which many to
be argued I they probably are I'm one the that cleans up after
them I kind of feed them they are my master Well yeah, the thing is that you
will know if you're higher master from the fifth dimension
in the third dimension is the cat if you are if you're very
like you know like for sure my my masters are cats in this
life, because because they are very like tough. And for some
other people there are so love such a loving beings, so must be
golden retrievers, or some type. But but it could be it could be
anything in the third dimension because there is nothing in the
fifth dimension that is not also projected in the third
dimension. So version, it's a version of it
here it It's a constant version of
everything. So everything that exists in the third dimension
has this aspect in the fifth dimension, or the sixth or the
seventh and and everything that exists in the fifth dimension
has something to be anchored in the third dimension. That's why
sometimes when you want to speak with an archangel, for example,
you might go to a mountain. So you go to the mountain, which is
an apple, which is a very huge spirit. So you go to the Anders,
for example, and you speak to the analysts and you communicate
with the analysts that in the fifth dimension, or the sixth
dimension, it could be maybe, I don't know, Mihail or some
Archangels. So, um, so everything in the third
dimension, it's an anchor for something that exists in another
dimension. So then let me ask you this.
Because I've studied the, the yogi's, from India for a long
time. And it seems that when they find enlightenment, and
there are other Ascended Masters too, but when they find this
enlightenment, or this other reality that they go to, they've
talked about it, they, they're able to start to transcend these
quote unquote, magical powers where they can levitate, or they
can bio locate or things like that, you know, manifest in
their hands with stuff, heal, and so on. What are what are
they accessing, to allow them to have these kind of not that
concerned with the abilities? That's kind of like a parlor
trick, or like an afterthought? But more on the spiritual side?
What are they accessing, to reach those higher levels of
awareness and understanding in the world where, like, in the
Maharishi, they gave him a whole bunch of, you know, psychedelic
mushrooms and he ate them? And he's just like, I live here. I
don't need these. Yeah, I when, when I when I
first took Ayahuasca I actually my first feeling was like, oh,
like Aubrey told me Aubrey told me
that our friend Aubrey Marcus, he's like, it's this. It's this
Craziest thing doing Ayahuasca with Matias. So what is it? So
what is it with these Yogi's that they reach? What are they
doing? What are they accessing to get this kind of awareness or
information? Well, you become it. And that's
enlightenment, when they reach enlightenment actually, is
because they were and looking for enlightenment. All the all
the traditions of the interest in Buddhism is not about. It's
not like, for example, our traditions that are looking for
salvation, but they are expecting for someone to take
the pain out of this reality. They actually sit down and
become part of this reality so deep, that eventually they find
alignment. So basically, it's like, why can you do fire
because that person became Definer. Not because it can has
the power of fire. That's our point of view, because we think
that humans are here to handle reality. And everything was
created for us to manage it or whatever. But the person that
actually find some Lachman is because they became the fire,
they became the water, they became God. They, they, they
found themselves through every dimension. And they saw that the
potentialities of our reality are basically themselves. It's
us. So you are an echo of all that. And that's what they are
connecting with. They are connecting with what you
actually are, which is everything, beyond your
personality, beyond what you're looking for. You just become.
And that's why every master, when you go to the very deep of
everything, the only thing that you can say it's I am. Because
there's Because you are. So it's not a
it's not destined. It's not a destination, which is a
misconception. It's like, oh, I have to find enlightenment, like
that's like a room you walk into, like, I think God I found
enlightenment. It's not that it's more like up, you become
kind of like, Neo becoming part of the matrix. He literally
absorbs into the code. And he is then as opposed to being just
outside of it, and understanding it and seeing it and
manipulating it. He becomes one with it. So that's where these
Yogi's, that's where these Yogi's, when they go into
meditation, they're there and they come back by choice to
teach the rest of us as much as they can. But the thing you Is that we
have still this perception of they went there, right? But they
might actually be where they went nowhere. Like they actually
became what it really is. So, so they went nowhere, they were
just sitting there. And suddenly, the, the skin, the
cells became the air, and the air became the skin, and the
cells became molecules, and the molecules are energy, and
suddenly, there's nowhere to go, you become everything. So it's
not about that's why the last position of the lighted person
is not someone touching the light. Is someone just sitting
down on the tree. Because they are the light, it's
because they are the light. Because you are the light,
because they are Yeah. So. So let me ask you this, would it
make sense then, that they have discovered a way to bypass the
avatar that we are all in this, this meat skin, and connect to
who we truly are while still being in this dimension, meaning
that they have now transcended, they actually go, oh, wait a
minute, I am actually the light, I am actually source and I am
actually God, I'm actually the water, I'm all of it. And when
they have that awareness, or awakening, that's when
everything changes for them. But it's not this destination that
we keep, you know, hearing so much about, is that a good? Like
way to put it? Yes, for to make it something
much more relatable as a human, for example. Imagine you were
rice, in Kansas, that's in the States, in the middle of the
fields, in a very, very Christian family. So you have no
other point of view of anything. And you are a person. James,
let's say, so this James person grew up only thinking about
Jesus, thinking about the Bible, thinking about the context of
the people in the same community, he had no idea about
anything else. So the only belief, or the only perception
of reality was his own with his own beliefs. And suddenly, this
person decides to take a trip. And it goes to a big city in the
states and suddenly sees in New York, and suddenly sees so many
crazy people believe in unmanned things, and many religions and
whatever. But it's still the states. And suddenly he says, he
meets someone and says, Why didn't you go to India? So he
takes a trip to India. And well, in India, you get crazy, because
suddenly, it's one country with 1000s of religions, 1000s of
masters and gurus, that everyone believes in something different.
And even though they have been working perfectly for 6000
years, so. So he starts to find another question and other
answers, and then it starts to pursue the guru thing. But then
they he realizes that, Oh, someone invites him to an
Ayahuasca ceremony. And then he goes to Brazil and goes to the
middle of the forest. And suddenly he finds out that
plants know better than the Bible. I don't know. So. So
suddenly, he starts to open and open into I don't know, a friend
in Egypt because he went to meditate there. But suddenly he
discovered what Islam is, and, and starts to figure out and
figure out and figure it out. And suddenly, but the end of
figuring out what was the answer? He realized the only one
truth behind all that, that everyone that met that he met
during this whole trip were humans. And every one that spoke
about the divine, or a holy book, or gave him the Ayahuasca,
they all had the need of eating, drinking, sleeping,
reproduction, having sex. So they were humans, and suddenly
he realizes it doesn't matter where you are in the world, you
will always find humans, so he becomes an humanist. So when he
became a humanist, suddenly he understood something. There are
millions of ways to find the divine. But even though we're
all humans, so enlightenment is kind of the same because that
guy that James I just made up, we'll come back to Kansas, and
we'll be able to share Christmas with the family will be able to
share a prayer with their his family will be able to share a
meal with his family and love and talk and enjoy his village
where he was born. Because he now knows that it doesn't
matter. We are just humans. So beyond everything, we are
humans. So an enlightened person is the person that took a whole
path throughout the entire cosmos and the entire knowledge
of the universe. And even though found out that we are all light,
it doesn't matter the shape of it. So she can come back. And he
will never tell you, Oh, this is the path to enlightenment. He
will just sit with you laugh and share a meal. No, I mean, so. So it's very much like in the
movies, the power was with inside of you all the time. As
you see somebody movie heroes, like they go and they go, and
they go on this journey, this and that. And finally, Yoda
would say that the force is inside of you. This force was always inside of
you that you were the corps. Hey, yes, it was not even inside
of you, you were the force, you know? And so, so it doesn't
matter. What are you doing in the world, or what you're
looking for, you will always find the source, you will always
find this, it's that power that inside of you. So those who
found enlightenment. And remember that and feels that can
share anything. And it's not about a race to figure out
something or to solve something or to go beyond or to live this
reality in this world. Because suddenly, you will realize that
this reality was created by the same spirit that is meditating
in the middle of everything. So why would someone create this
reality to escape from this reality? And the answer is that
this reality never actually existed. It's just a dream that
you have been creating in order to have fun, and do some thing
with your an existent time. So Yes, and then we can get into
game theory and how we're all Mario trying to save the
princess. But who is the player playing the Mario is the
question. And that's who we need to go back to. And go Who is the
player who sees the whole game where you only see the mushroom
that's in front of you? Or there's the bad guy that's in
front of you. That's all you see. It's exactly, it's, it's
fascinating. So, okay, so we went down the road of
enlightenment. So now we're enlightened everybody listening,
you could find enlightenment, it's all inside of you just
look. Right? It's very simple. It's very simple. And spirituality. I like to say
that spirituality. Again, it's not about connecting with
spirits. It's about imagination. Spirituality is about opening
your mind in a way that everything is possible. So is
there a god? Yeah, why not? Is everything? I don't know, a
movie? Yeah, why not? So imagination is the door to every
dimension. And it's not about meditation is not about a
spiritual path is not about following a specific rule is
about imagination. So when you use your imagination, you start
to open all those realities. And basically, the people that wrote
the spiritual books, were not people that follow rules, were
people that connected with their own imagination, and they saw
God and so So, the way in which we can actually grasp how we can
become like, like that, like, like, like in the ancient
civilizations, is not about connecting with the idea of
their gods or goddesses, and all this realm spiritual. No, it's
about how can we imagine other realities and possibilities? And
this takes me to, to another thing, which is today, we are
starting to go to that. But quantum physics, it's also about
imagination because particle behaves as a particle, if we pay
attention to the particle, what is that? It's imagination, you
know, so it's about attention, it's about the mind. So it means
that all reality only exists because a lot of beings are
paying attention to only one reality. But if all the beings
changed their point of view into another reality, suddenly that
reality can become true. So. So when we speak about science, and
we speak about quantum physics and everything, there is so much
information. And that is just for people in universities, that
it's impossible for everyone to change their consciousness into
that other reality in the quantum reality, if they don't
feel it, and they don't become it. And that's where Marvel and
Hollywood play a role that is Please this is where I come
from, sir. So please tell me, very important. Basically, because all the
people is understanding what a multiverse is, because they've
marked it up. So they probably watched it, yeah, they
popularized it, they are popularizing the concepts of
going beyond this reality that we are more than what we see. So
this this, it will take time. But this is giving the children
the possibility to acknowledge that that reality is possible,
that they can become it to that there is science about it, and
you are watching it in a movie, but actually, there are people
working in actually that. So. And there are people that are
living their lives, according to that superheroes that are in the
actual world, living in this kind of reality. It's just that
we are still so bounded by spirituality in a religious way,
that we cannot find the middle point, which is imagination.
That's why for me, the movies, the storytelling, it's so
powerful, because who changed the mind of the tire world, to
do what we do today with our societies. It were it was just
crazy people living in islands in Greece, that they told
stories, and those stories that they told, build the basis for
Rome, Persia, all the empires, they build the basis of all the
stories of the heroes that we today still follow. So the path
of the hero and everything, and the politics and economics and
all the democracies and republics, and everything was
created by just a few bunch of guys that were very bored in the
islands of Greece, five, 4000 years ago. So you see the power
of imagination, the power of imagining things, of telling
stories? No. So it changed the world as we know it today. And
even though we believe that the world cannot change, because if
people is in power, or this kind of things, and it at that time,
it was even worse. And even though they changed the world,
they they changed the world by stories. And everyone that
changed the world today was inspired in a story in a hero
in, in a movie in a book. Without HG Wells, doing his
science fiction books, many scientists wouldn't have been
able to build rockets and so on, because that was the first time
that that idea started coming up. When the first time and
another big movie that changed our reality, literally was the
matrix. And that was the first time simulation theory was put
out into the masses. And we were like, wait a minute, are we just
in a simulation? Maybe not a dystopian simulation. Like then,
I would love to learn kung fu like that too. But, but the idea
was planted in our society. And then and I was saying that the
same thing when I saw Dr. Strange start talking about the
multiverse I was like, oh, there's now by the way
everywhere, it's everywhere. multiverses are everywhere. Antman, you know, this kind of
thing The Flash, flash with the time
the time. Yeah, everyone, everyone now is
talking about these things because the consciousness of the
planet is ready to understand the multiverse is ready to
understand that Then mentions, and as you see, Dr. Strange had
to go to Katmandu to Nepal to find the truth. And also, it's
like everyone in spirituality, had to go to India, Kathmandu,
Nepal, Tibet to find the truth, you know, so. So I think that
there are codes for everyone to see. But we are not paying
attention because we still believe they're just movies. And
we stop. And we have been taught that that's, it's just
imagination. But actually, in the first stories of the world,
those stories, this imagination is the one that created
everything we know, today. Or without Star Wars, you know,
many physicists were born because of Star Wars. Of course,
I mean, so many scientists. I mean, it just, these movies have
impact. I mean, when they wanted to, when they put the space
shuttle into space, how many people wanted to call it the
enterprise? Because Star Trek, because it was so you know, how
many, you know, rocket scientists were created by Star
Trek. So stories have such a powerful, powerful place in our
society. And you're right, 100 years ago, you throw the
multiverse out, people be like, what do you what? They can't,
they couldn't grasp it. So let me ask you this because the
world is I'd love to hear your point of view where we're all
going because humanity, a lot of people think that it's going to
the hell in a handbasket. Everything seems to be crashing
down around us, the economy's this and politics or that and
the environment is happening here and wars and all of this
craziness. Where do you see humanity going? Where's the
future of humanity in the next 50 to 100 years? I, I think it's gonna be
amazing. It's just that every generation that leaves the
present, think that they are leaving the worst time in
history. Always, always. And we know
everything. And we also know everything. We also know
everything. We know, everything of Zeus is God and that's it. So it's like, every everyone
thought that it was the end of the world. Like, how many years
in all history, they were all getting ready for the comeback
of the master, the group that would save them. So this has
been around for 10,000 years, and we're still waiting. So
every year or every 10 years, the end of the world, we're
living in the worst time of history, the wars are taking
over everything. So if you take a look into humanity, for 1000s
of years, there are only two things that changed from all
history of humanity today. One is that we are overpopulated. It
means that we are too many. So there are more problems. And the
second one is that all those people are over informed. So so
we have more communication, and also more people, right? So
before the problems were told by chess, one, maybe the problem
were lived by 1000 people, and just one wrote about it. Today,
we have a problem of 10,000 people and 10,000 people talk
about the problem, you know. So that makes it even worse,
actually. But it's not that the world right now it's going to an
edge of the end of something is not, it's just our perception,
because we are so egocentric, that we want to leave always in
the best or the worst moment in history of humanity. But
actually, worst things happened before and every time that every
time that worst things happened before. After that it was lit of
evolution. Right so so for example, the First World War,
the Second World War, they all happened in the last 100 years.
And every time that they happen, we grew up not only technology,
but also human rights, in art, in taking care of the
environment. So many things like the end of slavery, the rights
of the women, freedom of speech, so many things happen. That
today we complain because we are always in the pursuit of
something better, but just they can look 10 years ago, just they
can look 50 years ago, you know, so we are going to a terrible
time, because we are going too fast and very fast towards
something that is going to going to be amazing. But we are, we
are like a baby trying to run now. So The baby tried to run. Not so
good. Yeah, not so good. Because it
always ends in blood. Yeah. So because nobody taught to us how
to properly walk, and the only people that can teach us how to
walk, they're too slow. And we, we are trying to go fast.
Because otherwise, so many things are happening. And we
have to catch up with everything. So we don't have the
time to actually think who we are, why we're here. What do we
want to do with our lives. Everything that has happened in
the world is actually true. Now we can trust anything is so, so
complicated, that the only way to understand the outside is
going within, there is no other way now, like for me, the chaos
we're living today in the world is perfect for our world that
needs to go back to meditation. And that's why as much chaotic
the world turns more people are waking up, more people are
heading to meditation, more people are trying to look for
themselves. And it's because it's so chaotic outside, that
the universe is using the cares to lead us towards the order
within. Because we can trust nobody outside. So maybe I have
to trust myself. And that's, that's scary. The first step.
That's the first step But it's so interesting too,
because right now though this generations that are being born,
are coming in with programming in their heads that I didn't
come in with. I know you and you're younger than I am, but
you didn't come in with you. Maybe you did, but your
generation didn't. But Was very, very locked also. Oh yeah. And I was I was born in
the 70s. So like I was but I have one foot in the new and one
foot in the old. That's my generation. I'm Gen X so we're
both in the in the new and the old. But like my kids, they they
look at stuff now they're like, What do you do you want me to go
to a four year school put me into debt for a job that I'm not
going to get or I good to work minimum wage all my life? Are
you like what are you out of, your mind? So from the ages No, it's like such an 80s
concept. You're absolutely right. But they also look at
things spiritually, like racism, and they just don't get it. They
just don't like, why. And it's not that we were teaching them
that obviously, we're teaching them to be nice to everybody.
But they're at a different level. And you see it when you
have kids now they're coming in this new generation coming in,
is very prepared for where we're going. So we i a few weeks ago, I was
in England. And I was just traveling in a family trip with
my friends and their daughter, which is my niece and she has
two years old to Yeah. And she she barely speaks. She walks
like a baby and stuff. And, and we ended up in the middle of the
crop circle. So there was a whole crop circle. And we put
her there like oh, look, the crops are, you know, it's like a
baby. She doesn't care. And suddenly she's she stood up
like, like, she totally changed. And she started to make mudras
and nobody, you know is two years old. But no one started.
And she she, she forced us to grab our hands, shake our hands
sit down in a meditation position. We didn't do anything.
She was like obligated to do that. She went to the center and
she started to guide meditation, just by actions and moving our
hands and moving things around and giving us something to each
one of us. And then she just went when she was like in the
middle like doing the mudra or something. She turned when out
of the circle. And she started to be a baby again and It was
like, a like, a like. And she basically grabbed the phone and
knew how to unlock the phone to start a painting, painting or
something opened the app and everything. So. So she moved
from the spiritual high level consciousness, to learn how to
use technology, and to play herself alone in a crop circle,
recognizing that there was a holding moment. But also she
could play, and we weren't telling her telling her what to
do, she was telling us what to do. And I saw in that moment,
this is really changing. And one of the main things that changed
is that we never told her what to do, or what not to do. And,
and our generation, I think that we are allowing them to express
their truth, like we didn't have the chance to, you know, so
because we are maybe more open to other ideas or anything. So
we pay attention to what he wanted to do, instead of just
telling her sit down or tilt the bass or, you know, it's
changing. Yeah, yeah, imagine our
grandparents with these concepts. They couldn't, they
just wouldn't be able to even process it there. They just were
built for that time. They just couldn't process it. You know,
it'd be so far beyond them. And they were around my grandfather
was around before airplanes and cars, to, to the birth of the
Internet. You know, and, and everything. That's a lot of what
I mean, we've grown so fast in the last 150 years, it's been,
Oh, my God, exponential. And education is the same. Don't get me started, please
Matias I mean, So we're still we're still
sitting in a chair, staring at someone that writes in choke. So
what are we doing, like so? So that's, I think that that's some
of the things that we have to pay attention to, that. We are
so concerned of all this information that is coming to us
that everything is so bad, and we are there are so many
conflicts in the world and everything. And it was always
like that. We always had conflicts, we always were at the
edge of something. And now actually, we are, I don't know,
for some people. This is a controversial thing. But
everyone is talking about the native people in America or
Latin America and Central America, saying like they were
the connected people. And the Europeans came and killed them
on Wednesday, Spanish people came, they were all in a war.
They were fighting. They hated each other. Actually, the Inca
people, the key to our people, they all open the path for the
Spanish to kill all the other ones. So they could come here,
the people in Chile and Argentina. You know, so
actually, if you actually read the history, and that it was not
like the good guys and the bad guys, it was, No greed and power. They all
wanted the same thing Exactly. He was not like America
was the paradise before the Spanish king. Everyone hated
each other. They were killing each other. So he was the same
as in Europe, but hear it but in America. Well, let me ask you this. We're
going to start finishing it up here. My next question is, what
message do you have for people who are skeptical of
spirituality and of everything that we're talking about? Like,
they're if they're listening to this point, there's some
questions inside of them. But what I mean at this point, like
why are you listening? But they're skeptical of maybe
diving deep that they've been programmed with this idea of,
everything's outside of you, you need to find look to a deity, or
a book or a teachings or or something outside of you to find
the answers. How about if they're skeptical or even scared
to go inside? What advice would you have for them? Like my dad? I'm sure that's a whole other
podcast I'm sure That's therapy. Yeah, my my Dad
Oh, usually say that. Everything that I say is what he says.
He's, he says it in a funny way, you know, even if she If he
believes that what I'm saying is not true, you know, but he
helped me because he trusts me. But he doesn't believe me. So.
So. So one of the things that I usually, you know, I usually say
to skeptical people is that there's nothing wrong with being
skeptical, because the only problem of some skeptical people
is when they don't doubt, or they don't question. They're
just against anything. Like. And usually, it's people that is
scared of change in their lives, that actually, they're afraid of
something like someone, if I'm open myself a little bit, maybe
someone will come and change the way I want to leave, you know,
this kind of things. But there are a lot of skeptical people
that actually are wondering, like, I don't believe that this
is like this. Now there is proof that this this or they're ready,
and for the universe, is another way of finding answers. So I
don't feel I don't feel that skeptical people is a problem. I
don't feel that they're even against what I'm saying. I will
just say for the people that not is not skeptical for the people
that is closed to I believe that nothing is like that, and they
don't want to even listen to anything. I like to say that
most of the things that make sense in their lives, are based
on things that are not true. The concept of family, the concept
of friendship, the concept of love, the concept of money, the
concept of going to a movie on a Saturday night, the concept of
watching TV, or reading a book, of enjoying art, of taking a
walk on the park, on loving a pet. So many of those things
doesn't actually make sense. If you are skeptical, because why
would you love something or an animal? If you're skeptical? Why
would you feel something? Why would you enjoy reading a story
that is not true that someone made up for you to have fun? So
why would you lose time enjoying life, if everything that is
enjoyable actually is not true? True. So what I actually would
say to people, that is skeptical, is that maybe
everything that I just said, is not true. But it gives purpose
to people. It gives meaning. It gives ideas, it opens minds, it
gives imagination. And it gives also sometimes hope that they
actually can do something to change the world. And even if
everything that I just said it was a lie. Maybe a lot of people
will change the world, because they trusted it. And I think
that most of the people that actually change the world
actually did something for the real world. They were based in
stories. They were based in things that nobody can prove.
And sometimes it's not about not believing sometimes is about
enjoying. And we can do many good things for the reality.
Just imagine things. So if this is imagination, if this is not
true. Well, we at least had a lot of fun. And we did crazy
things and we changed a lot of people's lives. What a beautiful answer to that
question. It is such a because it's something that I come
across all the time people are skeptical of the guests they
have, whether it's a near death experience or a channel or
someone like yourself or even a guru from India, they're like as
a boy out there trying to sell books, all this kind of stuff
and I'm like, Oh yeah, we are too. Obviously, we're all rolling in
it with the book sales. I don't know about you, but my book
sales. I mean, I just bought my second yacht. So but but what I
always tell people is like, I don't care what the messenger
is. What's the message? Does it ring true to you? Does it help
you? And if it does take it and use it, if it doesn't, discard
it and move on with life. Right? That's the way it should always
be, you know, so it's like I love but I love the way you, you
present it as a beautiful answer my friend, When when you are like a person
like me or many other people that are doing this as their way
of life, we are all trusting that we are connected with the
universe. So when you are, truthfully connect it with your
own self. Actually, you're not trying to convince anybody.
Because, You know, Yeah, because you're just
sharing, like, I'm not trying to this is something that I also
did talk to my dad, because he was like, I thought you would be
someone that were trying to convince me and my, and my other
kids, they know like to believe what you believe. And I said, I
don't care if you believe what I believe. Like, if this is my
thing, you know, this is my opinion. And you want something
from it, I can answer but, but when you want to, when we when
when you enjoy yourself with who you are, you're not in the niche
of trying to change other people's lives by force, or I
need you to believe me, you know, I had this conversation
with a with a friend, he's Muslim. And until he was he was
like, Why? Why? If you if your life is like, a Prophet's life,
why don't you go to the work trying to convince them that
when what you're saying is the truth. So we are all following
that truth, like, like the prophets did. And it said,
because, because I don't care. Because if I pushed people to
believe what I believe it is, it's not. It's because I don't
really understand what the universe is about. And the
universe is about experiencing. And so if you're skeptical of
all this, so maybe your path of understanding the universe is
another one. But if we all would believe the same thing, there
wouldn't be beautiful things in the world, there wouldn't be
art, music, movies, I don't know, everything that we have
today. Because it's the singularity that makes
beautiful, a beautiful world. But it's such an old idea that,
like, if I have a belief I have to teach, I have to force you or
convince you. That's why you heard of the yogi crusades.
Where we were Yogi's, were crusading across Europe, saying
you must understand enlightenment, and killing
people in the name of enlightenment, like you never
saw. Because the yogi's would just sit there and people would
come to them. If you are ready, I'll share with you and if you
don't like it, go on, as opposed to some of these older religions
or even, you know, spiritual practices like you know, Christ.
I mean, look, I was just at the at the Vatican, and I know
you've been there. And I just looked around, I was like, this
has nothing to do with Jesus, like has nothing. Nothing to do
with Jesus whatsoever. And I used to, I go a lot to the
Vatican. And people say, what are you going to the Vatican so
much? And I said, Well, it has so much energy, because so many
people pay attention to the place, and it's so beautiful.
It's renouncing his art. Oh, you know, it's like, why do you go
to St. Peter's Square because of Bernini, not because of the Pope
named this beautiful job, and you cannot just ignore it. Exactly. The pressure is right
there and you go into the museum and you're like, oh, look, this
Raphael's frescoes and like, of course, that's why you go, of
course, it's beautiful. But you see, it's beautiful. And my
friend, do you have any parting messages for the audience? I would transfer in mind when or
take that part that we were sharing before about, we are
living in a chaotic moment. But chaotic moment requires people
that things beyond chaos in order to create. So I would say
that as the most crazy and chaotic the world becomes. Pay
attention to what it could become. After that, if we all
set our imagination to work if we all start to making our ideas
into reality. So I would always say that whenever the energy is
very low in the planet, the planet needs for people to be
high in vibration. So I would advice to everyone that whenever
there's a conflict, try to smile or laugh. And whenever there's a
problem, use your imagination to find 1000 solutions. Because
there is nothing that we can transcend. So the only way to
transcend it is if we keep looking into the possibilities,
and not into the problem itself. So this chaotic times that we
are living in the world are going to be amazing. If more of
us start to think about the infinite and beautiful
possibilities of this crisis that we're living in. I appreciate you and the work
that you're doing to awaken the planet my friend, thank you
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