cuz if you look at Europe during the Ice Age and I'm talking about A Lost Civilization of the Ice Age northern Europe and North America were absolutely inhospitable wildernesses during the Ice Age they were frozen they were dry and they were dangerous and they were not the places that people would go people naturally gravitated South towards the equator towards the tropics that's where I would expect to find traces of A Lost Civilization and that's where I do find traces of theost civil you don't really find I've I've never reported anything about theuk for example in my books we have Stonehenge we have ay we have these Stone circles but they're not old enough that was the time when the UK started to get warmer and it's the same with the rest of Northern Europe and it's the same with the northern part of North America you have to go down to the southern part of North America you have to go into Mexico you have to go into the into South America to really find an environment during the Ice Age that would have nurtured a high civilization and there's a lot of speculation as to why they weren't able to cross the bearing land mass too right well the again this is an area where there has been a narrative that archaeology has sought to impose upon us and this was this was called the Clovis first idea that there was a people who archaeologists called the Clovis people we don't know what they call themselves uh in North America and traces of their characteristic uh tools particular sort of fluted points Arrowhead spear points turn up from about 13,400 years ago and end abruptly 12,800 years ago and for a long time with the beginning of the younger dras and for a long time archaeology maintained that this Clovis culture so-called Clovis culture we don't know what they call themselves were the first Americans and that there were no human beings in the Americas before 13,400 years ago and bit by bit the New Evidence has come in which has forced archaeologists screaming and tearing out their hair to back away from the Clover first Paradigm and admit that actually yes there were people here before that but even then they're reluctant to go very far back we've recently had these these Footprints in in White Sands in in New Mexico 23,000 years old or so that's largely being accepted now but there are much earlier dates there's 130,000 years ago from the couti madon site near San Diego the Sphinx is supposed to have been built 4,500 years ago but as you know Robert shock and I and many others are convinced the Sphinx is much much older than that that it goes back 12,000 plus years and this is based on geological evidence of heavy rainfall which is another interesting thing about the climate and the environment of that area that we think of it as being desert but at one point in time it wasn't well this is this is one of the reasons why I'm so frustrated by archaeologists claiming that they could know there was no Lost Civilization when they've done so little work in the Sahara when the Sahara was in a number of occasions during the Ice Age incredibly fertile very very nurturing environment with huge river systems running through it and lakes it's not disputed that that was the case it was a kind of environment that would have nurtured human civilization uh and we really can't write off the possibility of A Lost Civilization until we take a much closer much more detailed look at the Sahara of course that's expensive and then Egypt itself is in the Sahara didn't they find fossilized whalebones in the Sahara yeah that would go back a lot further that would go back to to millions of years to to a time when the oceans were different perhaps even hundreds of millions of years so Sahara at one point in time was an ocean as many places were pretty much anywhere where you find you find Limestone was was was once covered by by ocean the world has changed the world is constantly changing it's like it's like one of those magic kids toys where you pull pull a lever and it wipes out the diagram you just made you know um it just keeps on the world keeps on recreating itself and we human beings make our journey through this through this changing world and we we try to fix it and say this is how things were this is how things will be and it never cooperates with us on that just incredibly fascinating that the timeline when you go beyond the traditional timeline and you get back into where you and Robert shock have speculated the age of the Sphinx now you're talking about a completely different environment of lush rainforest and many many many resources absolutely we're talking about a completely different Sahara and shock's evidence is of a thousand years of heavy rainfall that's what the Sphinx Bears witness to that it was already there when The Rains of the younger dras and the younger dras affected the Sahara with heavy rainfall just as further north it changed the climate and made it much colder in the Sahara it became much wetter uh and it's that period of rains that uh that are the most likely culprit for weathering the Sphinx in the way it is but it could have stood there thousands of years before that there's also very clear evidence that the face in the Sphinx is much younger right no doubt about that whatsoever the the first the first problem is the the ancient Egyptians were masters of proportion they the ancient Egyptian art is rightly world famous for it for its quality and they didn't get things out of proportion uh they wouldn't make that Elementary error when they create this giant statue carving it out of solid Bedrock but the head of the Sphinx is way too small in relation to the body it just it looks like like the head of a pin it doesn't it doesn't fit with that 270t long 70t high body uh it looks very much as though the Sphinx once had a much larger head can you show us a photo of it J it's also much less weathered right and it's much less weathered and and this is again where egyptology tries to attach the Sphinx to a particular period egyptology claims that's the face of cfre who was the successor to kufu uh it doesn't look like any statues known statues of cfre that I can see but let's is called the nem headdress it's the classic headdress of an Egyptian pharaoh uh not in my view cafre uh but the headdress of an Egyptian Pharaoh but it's on a head that is way too small by comparison with the body and and both shock and I and John Anthony West Manu seada who's another excellent researcher in this field we all feel that the Sphinx was almost certainly a complete Lion at one point it was a lion with a huge man uh and that that head sticking up above the plateau got very heavily eroded and by the time the ancient Egyptians inherited it they decided to improve it a little bit to cut down that heavily eroded head and put the head of a pharaoh on it does it have the same sort of sophisticated proportions where they're perfect left and right as some of the other statues do which is another incredible mystery that when they look at the measurements of these immense statues somehow another they're completely symmetrical on both left and right sides completely symmetrical um I'm I'm actually not sure whether that's the case with the Sphinx uh I wouldn't be surprised because I have no doubt whatsoever that the head of the Great Sphinx was carved by the ancient Egyptians who made the who made those statues but the question is what was it carved from what was it cut down from uh so the geology the the precipitation in Juice weathering is one of the evidence pieces of evidence for a much older Sphinx but the other thing is the astronomy the the fact that the Sphinx is an equinoctial marker you know if you stand looking due east at Giza or anywhere in the northern hemisphere uh on the Spring Equinox uh there's three key moments of the year four actually there's the winter and summer solstice and there's the equinoxes the spring and fall equinoxes on the summer solstice the sun rises far to the North of East on the winter solstis it rises far to the south of East but on the equinoxes it aligns perfectly due east and that's what the Sphinx is it's aligned perfectly to due east and it's gazing at the Horizon and then we come to this contentious issue of who discovered the zodiacal constellations because the Sphinx 12 and a half thousand years ago was gazing at dawn on the Spring Equinox at the constellation of Leo in other words this lion Monument on the ground was looking at its own Celestial counterpart in the sky egyptologist dismiss that they say the nobody had any idea of the constellations until the Greeks I just think they're I think they're wrong so astronomy and geology together combine to invite us to consider the possibility that the Sphinx may be much older than 4,500 years old right I mean if you I know you know that theory that is crazy theory that sounds so it sounds completely Wackadoo but then when you have it laid out to you uh Christopher what's his last name dun Christopher D had him on my podcast a few weeks ago I just had him a couple weeks ago too I just had a uh brain fart his depiction of the mechanisms that would be involved in turning this giant structure into some sort of a power plant you you hear about you go wait a minute whoa yeah it makes a lot of sense and him and I have very similar theories on how the the the power gener ation occurred uh and I believe that the Nile you know when it used to run up close to the pyramids and the water would run underneath the pyramid and that would create something called physio electricity as it ran underneath that magnetized Crystal Granite those ions would pour up into the chamber move up the the grand Gallery where there used to be resonating rods with you can see the slots where the rods used to be they're removed now but the slots are still there then it would be pushed into the king's chamber where it would be Amplified and some type of fusion would take place then for up through the Apex and then the crystal Granite Obelisk around the region would capture that ambient wireless electricity and then if you had something called a Jed which looks like a Tesla coil you can you can capture that energy and you can transfer it into a device for gold electroplating uh for any other electrical tools you need like some of the tools they had to have used to create some of these incredible works of art you we can see the tool Mark so we know they had the tools and but they had wireless electricity way back then the interesting thing about the Amazon Joe is uh it's been grievously misunderstood over the years and fortunately Archaeology is beginning to come to terms with it there was agriculture in the Amazon going back a very long way going back at least 10,000 years maybe maybe further um and we we may have discussed this before but there's this there's this curious soil that exists in the Amazon that they call Tera Preta uh or Amazonian Dark Earth recent uh investigations have shown without doubt that it's man-made and deliberately man-made not an accidental result of Refuge tips but a deliberate attempt to make the Amazon fertile and how do they know that it's deliberate uh because they find in it the same ingredients and amongst those amongst those ingredients are always broken bits of um Ceramics that's one of the odd things they seem to be part of what makes it work really Ceramics Ceramics in mixed in there with with dung with with um human refu all deliberately put in there not an accidental Dunkey but a place that human beings said we're going to make this ground fertile cuz rainforest soils are not particularly fertile the fertility of the Amazon comes entirely from the fall of leaves onto the soil it refertilized itself but to grow crops on the Amazon is a very different Prospect and this is where teraa uh really comes into its own and i' I've been standing in a pit with with an archaeologist there a teraa pit and you can see this beautiful rich soil and it is a mystery it constantly replenishes itself it never gets used up settlers seek it out seek out areas of terrapro and it fits with this notion that not no longer a notion it's a fact that there there was a population of millions in the Amazon 10,000 years ago and uh they were living a a highly productive sophisticated life they were using agriculture they also gardened the Amazon the the hyperd dominant tree trees in the Amazon are all fot bearing trees the Brazil nut tree for example which a huge Tall Tree um is a food bearing tree and they exist in far greater numbers than they should do if they develop naturally humans manipulated the Amazon and made it serve human needs thousands and thousands of years ago and then we have these enormous structures that are appearing in the Amazon which are being referred to as geoglyphs they call them geoglyphs after the NASCAR lines actually the NASCAR lines in Peru are are huge ground images sometimes geometrical in form sometimes showing animals or birds or spiders other creatures often actually showing Amazonian animals but in the Brazilian Amazon in the state of acre uh as a result of clearances of the Amazon that have been done for farming purposes there's this rush to just cut the Amazon down and replace it with cattle ranches and soybean Farms those clearances have revealed something that again according to the old view of the Amazon shouldn't be there which is gigantic earthw huge ones a bit like the henges in in Europe uh enormous embankments ditches and in geometrical form so you get enormous squares enormous circles you get a circle within a square uh they keep repeating these these geometrical images and they're thousands of years old uh when when we were down there just just recently we had a local liar guy working with us these days you could you don't have to even use an airplane to find things with lier you can fly lier off a drone and flying his drone within a mile of known structures that are outside the rainforest now he found two more huge geoglyphs under the rainforest canopy which will be which will be investigated and this is uh bizarre and and puzzling they reckon the team working on this that's Marty Parson and of the University of Helsinki and El ranzi who's a Brazilian archaeologist and geologist um they reckon that there's thousands of these things still under the rainforest canopy and there's a huge untold story so one of the places I would look for A Lost Civilization is the Amazon rainforest so the Atlantis one so the wrist shot structure I was wondering if you saw those videos Joe yeah no that was that was a big one that I saw because I've been fascinated by the concept of Atlantis you know ever since I had these conversations with Randle Carlson and Graham Hancock about the younger D impact Theory and this concept that somewhere in the roughly around 11,000 12,000 years ago we were hit by a series of comments and it's pretty evident that that's a fact if you do the core samples of the earth they find this nuclear glass all over the Earth that exists in that time period and it seems like something happened that reset civilization and there's very little uh evidence of advanced civilizations before that up until recently up until the last couple of decades they started uncovering things like gobec Lee and all these other structures that are clearly from more than 12,000 years ago and they're really complex and really large with enormous stones and it sort of caused people to rethink the history of the earth and the the history of human civilizations and Atlantis has always been the big one that has been the one that everybody talked about was this incredibly Advanced civilization and no one could figure out where it is right or if it was real I think that Atlantis because surely that went have been necessarily the name just through like the the change of language you know over let's say 12 13,000 years ago which would be the time frame so like surely there would be several different changes of language but I think it represented a civilization that was doing great things they were more Global than what many people think would be possible um it Atlantis was said to be a kingdom made up of or an Empire excuse me made up of 10 kingdoms and then there was the lost city of Atlantis which was the capital which was said to be made up of concentric circles uh two of water three of land and essentially that they were obliterated by a cataclysm as passed down by Plato although it's worth mentioning that Plato got the story of Atlantis from Solon who was his uh Uncle separated by six Generations but what people most people don't realize is that Solon had traveled to Egypt and so it's the ancient Egyptians is where that tale comes from which makes it even more bizarre because I would argue that the most spectacular ancient civilization is the Egyptians I mean I mean no disrespect to the Romans hard to deny right I mean there let me just say because I want to on this podcast encourage people to travel to Egypt it Joe you got to go I really want to a friend of mine just went and she got back and she was telling me incredible things about it Jamie will you pull up the photos of these concentric circles tell him yeah the wrist shot r i c h a t it's worth mentioning that got here yeah in the first couple I just want to say it's rot I used to call it rick hot I was mispronouncing it but let me ask you this Joe real quick when you saw my video was that the very first time you had ever seen this thing before that's the thing so many when I first saw this I was like what the is that by the way you see that white all those white blemishes uhhuh that's salt this was under the ocean and and people let me just say you mentioned Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock I love them and I know for sure that they don't particularly think this is the site for a few different reasons um so let me say there's absolute doubt even I am not 100% certain I'm not even 100% certain that L existed what I am certain is that humans were doing spectacular things in a civiliz uh you know a cataclysmic event happened called the younger drus and reset something for somebody is there a natural explanation for this formation yes so what so let me say that it is considered to be a mysterious they don't they're not 100% certain of it however the consensus is that it was a volcanic Dome that had risen and collapsed multiple times like a 100 million years ago allegedly I don't I say allegedly I'm not necessarily disagreeing with that I'm just saying I would like to know where sometimes they get these figures from like explain to me why it was 100 million years ago and not 99 or 98 because here we are talking about how crazy things changed in just the last 12 13,000 years so when they throw around these numbers you know 1 million years in itself is an incredibly long period of time but getting back to your question some had originally thought that maybe it was an impact site from a CR from a you know an asteroid or perhaps but there's no evidence for it like there's none of the the problem is is there's these concentric circles the like I've never seen anything I mean obviously I'm not an archaeologist but I've never seen anything like this in I mean if you study structures that are like man-made structures I've never seen anything like this that humans have made but I've definitely never seen like go to that one where your cursor on Jamie please so is this you want to see something all right this okay okay one one step at a time because we also have to take into consideration that people are just listening so it kind of describe what we're looking at here okay so what you're looking at is approximately 250 miles Inland in the total Barren desert of morania Africa so the this image looks like why is it blue that's just showing you the what it used to look like no this is what it looks like right now through um I forgot what you call this type of Animation but it's essentially it's a satellite imagery that they enhanced in order for you to see the different in elevation and the actual structure to itself okay so it like if there was water in this area you would see it this way that it would be these concentric circles that are raised above the water and then the water would be inside of it like that well just to clarify this particular image no this is not trying to represent water so that blue is actually picking up on salt so salt all that was salt but I mean it used to be underwater right it's salt because it was underwater that's what I believe and that's what makes the most sense to me others will disagree and let me tell you why it is currently 12 1300 ft above sea level it's 250 Mi Inland and so some people say this was never under the ocean at least not for the last tens of millions of years is what the scientists claim I argue that since the salt is still there and not only that Jamie if you go to the other images that show you more of the the white um the one uh that you were previously on the one to the middle to the left right there so those areas with the most white blemishes happen to be the areas that are the lowest in elevation which to me tells me that saltwater had settled there but not only that Joe Atlantis was said to be like we said you know multiple rings of you know water and land however it was said to open to the sea to the South and what you're looking at here that the South so this is oriented North Southeast and West what do you see to the South and especially if we could get another this is very flat area that looks like it's the lowest elevation like around it looks like it's higher I mean it's hard to tell from this image Jamie will you will you Google Map it just type in um even if you went to morania so you could see this from space um astronauts use it as a locator and they weren't really familiar or aware of it until the Gemini missions in the early 1960s so if you go to like if you just go to Google Earth you could you'll be able to find this quite quickly it stands out and it's why they call it the eye of Africa or the eye of the Sahara all right so just pan out a little bit and it'll provide us with a much yeah keep going oh all that all that white is salt archaeologists should not seek to isolate the story of Atlantis from other flood myths and traditions all around the world that and that's a problem too I mean we have hundreds of myths and traditions from countries all around the globe which speak of a great Global cataclysm a huge flood often wildfires uh destruction of human beings and and and of animals a few survivors who seek to restart civil it's a global story not a not a single story told by to and I mean if you hear the same story from so many different cultures at what point in time do you go maybe there's something to this I mean it's just very strange to try to deny that again we have this especially with the physical evidence yeah especially with the physical evidence and and it's interesting with the physical evidence like like gockley Tey which is 11,600 years old I mean it used to be argued Robert chock and John Anthony West's work on the Great Sphinx suggesting that the Sphinx could be 12,000 plus years old it used to be argued that was impossible because there was no other site anywhere in the world no other megalithic site of the same age and then we discover gocke and it's 11,600 years old now if you can make gockley tee with its 20 ton megaliths beautifully carved representations of human and animal figures in those in those pillars if you can do that you can cut the Great Sphinx out of Bedrock as well there's no reason to to dismiss the geological evidence of the Great Sphinx anymore but in in dead what Archaeology is doing is trying to finesse gockley tee they're trying to say oh there was this gradual buildup to gockley tee and they now talk about a people who they call the natufians again we don't know what they called themselves uh who were predecessors of tee around 14,000 years ago uh and they show things that look like a tiny little stone wall that they built the sort of thing that you can find a dry stone wall that you can find anywhere in Wales to this day you know and this is supposed to be a prequel to gockley tee you I'm sorry you just don't start off making dry stone walls and then wake up one morning and create 20 ton megaliths in huge Stone circles perfectly astronomically aligned as we have at GOC tee not only that but how like what did what did they do how are you even where are you getting those 20 ton megalit from how far do they have to transport in the case of gole tee not far how far oh hundreds of meters I've stood on top of one uh megalith that they partially cut out of the Bedrock uh with the t-shape but then they found a fault in it and they left it there it would have been a 30 ton megalith they clearly intended to release it from the Bedrock but it had a fault so they they left it alone the quaries the the issue of the quaries for the Rock at gockley tee is not too big a problem but the transportation of those even the transportation you get enough people working together and they can and they can move uh large Stones there's that's that that's not in dispute but that that's where the question comes how do you get enough people together how do you have the organizational skills where do you have the mindset that plans something like this at the beginning and and that is the problem that is not answered in the case of GOI that happening suddenly and what were they using for tools they're supposed to have just been using Stone there's not supposed to have been any any Metals at at at that period not even brass not even brass not even copper I have um I have a a complicated view on gockley tee let's say it's my hypothesis it's not a fact I don't claim this is a fact I think that what we're looking at at gocke there's no doubt that the population of around gocke were all hunter gatherers when gocke started to be made and that's the weirdest thing of all because previously archaeology always used to say hunter gatherer cultures did not have the Manpower did not have the organizational skills could not generate the surpluses that would allow people to specialize in architecture and engineering and astronomy and so on so so it used to be said that hunter gatherers couldn't do that now archeologists have backpedal on that and they're saying well yeah clearly hunter gatherers did it the funny thing is that that during the Thousand Years that gockley Tee functions and it runs from roughly 11,600 years ago to say 9,600 years ago uh during during the 10,600 years ago during those Thousand Years the population of GOC teepe transitions from being hunter gatherers to being agriculturalists so we see two new ideas suddenly appearing at gockley tee enormous megalithic architecture and a shift from Hunter Gathering to Agriculture and what gockley tee looks like to me is a transfer of technology that people who already knew how to work megalithic architecture and align it precisely to the risings of particular stars for example sirrius uh came to gockley tee at a time of chaos and cataclysm in the world and they sought to introduce a new way of thinking I think gockley Tey was created as a project to mobilize the local community to give them something to work on to bring them together and it's not an accident that during that thousand years they transitioned from hunting Hunter Gathering to to agriculture um I don't uh see massive technical complications in in creating gockley except those very precise alignments but what I do see uh is a sudden appearance of something that shouldn't have been there and that and that requires explanation well if you look at the tablets again they talk about this War right and this war that occurred there's a lot of Wars obviously but this one particular War it seems like the same one that damaged the area or the region of Giza Plateau also mohen jaro in the indis valley up there by Pakistan and the reason why it's interesting is if you look at the war in the Tex and then go to those areas it looks now almost you can begin to see oh wait a minute it looks like War mohen jaro IND this Valley the buildings turned to Glass the sand turned to Glass and the bodies are still laying in the street right now today holding hands never been scavenged by animals so wait a minute where is this mohen jendo are there photos that we can look at oh yeah look it up Mohan jendo indis Valley dead bodies still laying in the street thousands of years later and nobody just they just lay there no one's covered them up nobody's covered them up yeah when you put a Geer counter over them higher than background level radiation okay really yeah and if but aren't Stones higher than background level radiation some stones are some stones are especially like diorite and uh Crystal Granite but these bodies these are just bones how come their hen background level level I can't wait to see this why haven't I never heard of this moan gendo m o h en there you go wow yeah this is evidence of a nuclear war or nuclear type go back to the other the one that one there that one's insane yeah there's bodies that are sitting on the edge of steps next to their own buildings that they lived in the building is turned to glass that's 3,000 plus degree temperature weapons fire so there's a bunch of people that seem to die all at once just scattered around yeah now what's the conventional explanation for how these people died they have no idea they have zero idea the only thing that you that was just a couple Jamie go to the other just the Moran jandara mythical Mass Massacre yeah so that they think it's a massacre do the is there any just laying there laying there and that that building those stones are vitrified which means 3,000 plus degree temperature oh uh what kind of you know what could have caused that level of temperature an energetic release well it could have been a low atmosphere asteroid it could have been that's possible tunguska yeah it could have been a but then their bones would have been splattered apart and broken into pieces good call yeah that's good call yeah because they don't seem to be broken apart no they're not broken apart that impact would have shattered the bones and spread them out over great right but without impact even if you just look at the one that burst in the atmosphere in tunguska it just flattened trees flattened everything all I think it's some insane like a million Acres or something crazy it's incredible the Tusa explosion that that one's yeah so those bodies would be toast cu the trees were ripped apart the buildings would have been flattened the legs would have flown off there's no way they would just be laying there like that that's interesting and they don't seem to be like chopped up did they have any evidence of stab wounds or anything on them they don't have any evidence of any injury of any kind of attack or any cutting or like swords or anything they just all got cooked right and then in the the tablet it says that the evil wind moved over the land after they released these weapons and they and then enki goes to his father I mean yeah an goes to his father on and says hey um can you stop the evil wind CU he had fallen in love with some people you know and down there and he's like there's nothing I can do he said get in your sky ship and for Bo that means get the hell out of here and he said the people's hair was falling out their eyes were bleeding their nose were bleeding their fingernails were curling off that sounds like radiation sickness so you think it's radiation sickness that did this all these people or was it an impact that did this to all these people nobody nobody knows nobody knows but they're they're not blown apart right they're not blown apart it seems like whatever whatever whatever struck or whatever energetic weapon it was could have been not might not have been a weapon whatever it was it seems like that shock wave reached them at some point and whatever was in that wave just killed everybody that's what it did yeah and they just don't know what it is so how does a conventional archaeologist describe it do they say it's a massacre they just call it a mythical Massacre and they stay away from it