ladies and gentlemen you're are probably wondering why I am smiling from ear to ear right now and I'm about to tell you my next guest has taken me two years just to make contact with thanks to his brother and his beautiful wife Kristen we have finally got him in SRS studio for an in-person interview and it's a phenomenal interview it's packed full of information and inspiration he grew up in a blue collar family in Utah became a Real Estate Mogul at a very young age which eventually led to the purchase of a very famous Ranch outside of Salt Lake City that all of us know as the skin walker Ranch lots of anomalies and phenomenons happen out there a ton of UFO activity and unexplainable at least at this moment in time phenomenons it's one of my favorite interviews of all time ladies and gentlemen if you like the show please like comment and subscribe go to Spotify and apple podcast leave us a review and we see a lot of you taking our content turning it into your own content we made it easy for you go in the description there is a link below full of raw reels that you can edit put on your channel put on your your IG your Tik Tok wherever you want monetize it make money all we ask is that you give the Shawn Ryan Show the credit that it deserves other than that do whatever you'd like with it ladies and gentlemen without further Ado please welcome my new friend Mr Brandon fugle to the Shawn Ryan [Music] Show Brandon Fugal welcome to the show it's good to be here it's a privilege to be with you it's an honor to have you sitting across from me we have been trying to get you in here for over a year I think ever since I first heard about Skinwalker Ranch and and it's finally come to fruition I can't believe you're sitting here I'm I've been just ecstatic about interviewing you for for a long time so thank you for coming uh it's it's an honor and uh glad we could make the time I'm anxious to to answer any questions and dive into the big picture relative to the investigation and all of the events leading up to what uh what has driven us to launch what I believe to be the most uh the most important Frontier science effort of its of its kind in the country it's incredible you know i' I've wanted to tap into the to the UFO UAP phenomenon type content subject whatever you want to call it for a long time and you and your team or anybody on your team was the was my number one choice because I look at all these people out that are that are putting content out or putting information out disclosure and stuff and and you're the only organization that really just backs it with with real science real experiments and it's documented and you know this is a this is a subject that I mean it's a controversial subject and and it's hard to it can be hard to wrap your head around this stuff and so the the way that you guys are bringing this stuff to the to the Forefront and the way you're doing it with real science and scientists and experiments is it's fascinating it is fascinating stuff they're scary topics I mean a lot of these these topics are unsettling a lot of people are understandably uncomfortable being faced with the reality yeah that that these things are happening in our airspace happening in our own backyards and to have scientific rigor and discipline and a multi-disciplinary team focused on Gathering the data and documenting the reality of the phenomena uh in many cases for the first time is it's an honor but it's a sobering uh privilege and I think we're just getting warmed up I think so too let me give you a quick introduction here so chairman of coers International commercial real estate Mongol investor entrepreneur Visionary husband father Boy Scout and the owner of the infamous skim Walker Ranch now skim Walker Ranch is the most Googled location in the entire world or at least the country it's the number one most Googled landmark in the United States that's according to travel and Leisure and Google that is crazy more UAP UFO sighting phenomenons happening there than as far as as far as I know than anywhere else on the planet yeah for whatever reason we're seeing the highest level of or the highest frequency of UFO sightings and Paranormal Activity centered in this area for whatever reason uh it uh it has been a hot bed and this has been going on for decades if not Millennia and we're fortunate to be picking up the Baton and carrying forward in a in a sophisticated and I think a more aggressive fashion but these uh these things have been going on for some time and we're we're finally bringing it to the Public's attention and I think the most dynamic way and transparent way you're doing a hell of a job and you're also it turned into a TV series two different TV series Skinwalker Ranch is number one on pretty much every distribution channel that it's that it's on and um but I want to talk to you after dinner last night there's a lot of layers to peel back with you so I'd like to I'd actually like to get a full life story if you're you bet okay with that dive in starting a childhood ask me anything all right I'll take take you up on that but everybody starts off with a gift on the show oh heavens I got you a couple got you a couple gifts oh wow what do we have here hey gummy bears so those are vigilance Elite gummy bears great love legal in all 50 states we love treats um oh zingers and then one of my All American favorite snacks especially as we're coming back from from other countries I'm always really relieved to find that we have our our freedom of uh Choice when it comes to um junk food your wife dime J Christ dime J oh this is great said you have a in addiction to zingers I love it and of course thank you for arming me with my D Diet Mountain Dew uh I drink about one to 100 to 200 o of this stuff a day um and if you look at the ingredients do you know what the the first two ingredients in Diet Mountain Dew are I don't uh let me have you read let me have you read the first two ingredients if you can first two ingredients carbonated water and concentrated orange juice water and orange juice it's part of a healthy lifestyle Sean it's and your fruit group yeah there you go it's it's it's fuel it's it's uh it's my form jet fuel for the day but no thank you so much you're we we will greatly appreciate the Gummy Bears and the zingers and uh you know there will be some some typical Lonely Nights late at the office where I'll probably be breaking these out perfect and then after dinner last night I know you're a Sentimental guy and you have a lot of artifacts and stuff and So after talking to you and your wife Chris Kristen uh whose Grandpa was a was a UDT Navy Seal in World War II and your grandpa both your grandpas were in World War II I wanted to give you this so this is underwater demolition patch a thank you from back in the day the very beginning of Frogman and this is a naval special Warfare Man coin wow so thank you so much yeah you're welcome Well Service is is an important thing in our family and I grew up understanding the importance of serving our country and my grandfathers were incredible examples and my wife's grandfather was was was really a Trailblazer with with the predecessor to the Navy Seals it was the beginning yeah very cool and uh this means a lot this will have a cherished place in our collection as as you'd mentioned I love artifacts from history you those those tangible pieces that that not only tell our story but I think illustrate where we've come from and and hopefully provide a a bit of a reminder or a road map as to where we're going yeah you know that's it's important stuff they're not teaching it anymore and they seem to be erasing history at a record pace and so it's stuff like this you know and and stuff that's in the studio and stuff that you have I mean it's important to pass down to the to the next Generations that are coming up so they know where the hell we came from yeah we can never forget but um but let's get to you so where did you grow up Pleasant Grove Utah I'm fifth generation Pleasant Grove Utah my ancestors came from Scandinavia from Denmark and immigrated in the 1860s they were early converts to the the Mormon Church the Church of Jesus Christ the latterday Saints and settled in this small community at the base of Mount timpanogas which is this incredible Mountain backdrop in Utah and lived in a a small Dugout dwelling until they built both the their their early home and a blacksmith shop that still stands to this day so I've I'm very fortunate to have some incredible ancestors that uh that have created a legacy in our community and and serve as examples how was your family life growing up uh great I uh I grew up as a child of the80s I just turned 50 so as a as a child of the 80s you my parents raised us on a steady diet of Steven Spielberg George Lucas Ridley Scott James Cameron you I I I was a huge fan of everything from Night Rider to battl Star Galactica to Star Wars to the a team um you name it the pop culture of the period was uh was in hyperdrive and was was alive and well in the Fugal household but I have uh Three Brothers all boys my poor mother was outnumbered and she she actually flew in with us accompanied us uh on this uh this track yeah so she's in she's in Nashville uh with my brothers um doing some sightseeing but uh very fortunate to have the greatest parents in the world I I hit the lottery won the lottery when it came to my parents and grandparents and the incredible uh individuals that they are in the family my greatest Mentor in life uh was my father who unfortunately passed away just under two years ago uh much younger than he should have uh passed but he he was an incredible example to me and I was raised in this small community that uh that I continue to live in with my with my wife we we intend to to die there so you still you still live in the same place where I've lived almost my entire life in this uh small community of Pleasant Grove Utah that I love been going to the same gas station convenience store since I was a little boy uh we you know we participate in the same Community Gatherings and rituals every year and uh and have been very fortunate uh not a lot of people like that left with uh with roots like that where they grew up yeah it's small town USA at its best um what kind of stuff were you what kind of hobbies did you have when you were growing up you know growing up uh me and my friends were really close I had a very very close-knit group of friends and we we stay close to this day in fact every year I pull together 10 to 12 of my best friends from my youth that I've been friends with since elementary school we were involved in scouting in fact most of us were Eagle Scouts and had that wonderful experience we were involved in martial arts uh karate uh grew up not only on a steady diet of sci-fi and adventure but also martial arts Chuck Norris uh was a was a hero uh of mine and uh me and my friends would spend weekends sleepovers digesting every ninja and martial arts oriented movie that you can imagine um and and we were involved with with role playing with fantasy we played Dungeons and Dragons and other role playing games in our in our youth that uh that I think uh had a had an impact not only on the way we we looked at the world but but it forged relationships that uh that stay intact to this day I found it the older I get the most important things that we have in this world are not possessions they're relationships and experiences and I've been blessed with an abundance relative to the relationships and experiences I've had the same best friend since th grade wow we talk every week we're business partners in fact he's been on the show he's been on the docu series as a Consulting uh oncologist radiologist as a as an expert oh no kidding Dr Christopher Lee so we've been best friends since fifth grade we got our Eagle Scouts together we went on our our Mormon missions about the same time he went to Germany speaks fluent German to this day I went to Hawaii of all places learned how to speak some inappropriate tongen um but uh I I've been really fortunate but we were raised I think in a in an ideal environment as as as part of the Reagan Era you know George Bush Senior it was uh it was the end of the Cold War uh you know we grew up as kids uh terrified of of the potential of of War uh and you know grew up on Rocky four and Red Dawn and and and understanding the importance of freedom and our and and our way of life and we saw the the the fall of the Berlin Wall occur I think that occurred during my senior year uh where we saw uh a lot of remarkable things occur uh that uh that has blessed our world and ushered in a new era you seem to have come from a long line of a patriotic family and in my research I read that one of the things that your old man used to say to you damn near every day is what did you do to make what did you do today to make your country better yep have you done any good in the world today on a almost daily basis my father would reach out to me and ask have you done any good have you done any good in the world today what age did that start you from the time I was a teenager and and it became even more frequent As I Grew Older and and built my own family and went through my own challenges and uh and triumphs uh my father's words and am admonitions stay with me every day and and he had an incredible father my grandfather was a decorated bomber pilot World War II flew a Corsair and was fortunate to be selected to fly over Tokyo bay when the Japanese surrendered and and it was a pivotal moment in the Pacific Theater you during the war and and hearing his story and seeing his example helped I think crystallize those things that are most important those core principles that uh that differentiate our way of life you know our people how did that kind of form you into who you are today I mean you you so I did a lot of research on you I've seen some people giving you Flack saying that things have been handed to you thinking that you came from a family from a very wealthy family which is a bunch of [ __ ] from what I understand my dad yeah my my father drove a Brown beat up pendo when I was in junior high graduated to a beat up asro Van when I was in high school I haven't taken one penny from my uh from my parents I was very fortunate I I was able to receive that which was most important which was an incredible upbringing and examples but my father's success didn't didn't really occur until I was an adult and had already established myself in commercial real estate uh it's it it's important to note that you know my my father and I were both ey entrepreneurs of the year for the western region for completely different businesses are you serious that's amazing and I think that that still kind of sets us apart um in 1920 my great-grandfather started a construction company that became really one of the largest utility construction firms in the country but it wasn't without great sacrifice I mean during the 80s they could barely keep the doors open uh they they were struggling considerably and my father and his brother guy uh ended up making some critical bets and risks on fiber optic technology on on devising methods to be able to install Long Haul fiber optics underground and uh and really took the utility constru construction business into the future so while while it is true that our family has been very blessed uh I I didn't grow up with any privilege grew up in the same 18800 squ ft house and uh and it was fortunate to be blessed with a work ethic uh my my dad expected that that we would work construction as teenagers and so every year I was shipped out of town to work on construction Crews uh with a shovel in hand and it was literally a ditch digger uh for years but it taught me not only the value of hard work and how to work long 12 to to 16-hour days but also to appreciate people from other backgrounds from other walks of life you experience all sorts in the construction industry and to be able to to develop respect for your peers uh even if even if they've chosen different paths and and have different approaches to life was was important and being part of a team being part of a crew that is focused on on you know a a very complex uh set of requirements was was something that uh that I enjoyed being part of as a as a teenager working heavy construction and so it was uh to everyone's surprise at 18 that I chose to not pursue a career in the family business in construction but to to forge a path in commercial real estate yeah what what uh what prompted that what what got you interested in commercial real estate as a 18-year-old kid well in junior high at age 13 I became obsessed with uh business with who the captains of industry were read a book uh by Lee aak coka aak coka the the great autobiography of the Automotive icon who was really the father of the American Mustang the Ford Mustang and uh LED Ford into great expansion and uh we can thank him for that we can also curse him for the Chrysler minivan and um because he ended up uh bringing forward uh you the the minivan and and turning around Chrysler and in one of the great uh Automotive business epics of our of our age but uh hearing his story and then moving into high school and having an interest in business not just who the power players were but how did they get in the positions of influence that uh that they inhabited I mean by the time I was a Junior and senior in high school I had my own subscriptions to the Wall Street Journal and business week and as I was nearing the tail end of my senior year in high school as student by president I was very focused on jumping into a a career and selecting a career path that would afford me the opportunity to work with the captains of industry the very people that I was reading about in these journals in the the newspapers and the magazines uh that were that were leading business and changing the landscape of our world and through comprehensive research effort during my senior year in high school as I was turning 18 years old I identified commercial real estate as being the ideal career path that would potentially afford me that opportunity to work with the captains of industry because if you think about it if you're in business you have to have a real estate strategy everyone in business you know regardless of of what business for the most part has to at some point have a real estate strategy and uh unlike the law or or banking or other disciplines uh I was able to quickly get licensed yeah at at age 18 you know I I was able to complete all of the the schooling uh quickly and and take the test the 4-Hour test and and obtain my license uh to focus on Commercial Real Estate and it was a surprise to everyone my own parents thought that it was a an unusual perhaps foolish path uh because my my father wasn't in the real estate business but I saw as an opportunity to be involved with the changing landscape of the communities uh surrounding us and and the rest is history so I started off in business at a very young age at 18 uh sold my first Office Park when I was 19 years old wow and um and I built a proprietary database as a teenager tracking all of the inventory and the power players in the market uh I I would spend hours every day cataloging every building from one end of the market to the other and the companies that occup Ed spaces in those buildings and who the CEO CFOs were how much square footage they occupied when their leases were up did they have an interest in buying in the future you know what were their plans for growth what made them tick and I uh I built that database as as really a crystal ball that would give me visibility into who would be making moves in the future who are the most likely companies and entrepreneurs that would be changing the the landscape of the business Community both figuratively and and quite literally you you were doing that at 19 years old 18 18 and 19 and it uh it supercharged me now I took a break H at at 19 after spending about 15 months in commercial real estate I I elected to go on a a mission for my church for the Church of Jesus Christ a latterday saint and served for 2 years in Hawaii but uh I kept my license active when I entered the mission field and uh and a lot of the transactions that I had teed up that were in process or progress uh before my mission thankfully came to fruition when I was but a greeny a young missionary at age 19 and uh it was funny I I quickly obtained a brick phone when I entered the mission field which which was very unusual this was 1992 so I'm dating myself here and uh and kept in touch periodically with my office back in Salt Lake uh to make sure that my my deals were progressing and it was funny I bought my first Armani suit as a Mormon missionary on a bike uh I bought it from the the Italian Men's Wear store at Kahala Mall which was kind of the Posh Mall uh right outside of uh Honolulu at the time and uh and it was uh it was a was a fun reward I guess uh to treat me myself to that after selling some buildings and and having those deals come to fruition so even though I was focused on my my mission and my my missionary service I was fortunate to see transactions close for a period of time that I had uh placed under contract before before leaving for Hawaii which was an unlikely uh Mission call for me I mean most of my friends were going to to foreign lands I mean whether it be Chile or or Germany uh or other places and to to get a call to Hawaii was uh was quite a surprise for me so it sounds like there was uh somewhat of a life-changing experience changed my entire life every day of my life uh has been influenced by that 2-year Mission experience that I had the relationships forged the Lessons Learned uh during that period of time I mean that's such a formative time in anyone's life in any young P person's life you think of what happens between ages 18 or 19 and 21 and and that's a period of time where where you're making decisions as to who you are and how you view the world and and what kind of person you going to be and to be in a position where where I was focused on Jesus Christ and teaching people the Gospel of Jesus Christ and and even just performing service just helping people I mean at the time uh the islands were hit by Hurricane and Niki there was a huge huge hurricane that came in and destroyed uh a lot of the communities and that was a heck of a way to start my mission uh you we had you know power power lines down uh entire living spaces that were that were flooded as a result a lot of Destruction and for a period of weeks we didn't really teach anyone about Jesus Christ all we cared about was helping people clean up the disaster and the mess and that service experience uh was was really important it was uh it was I think Christianity at it at its best to see Neighbors coming together to see communities working together in the face of Destruction in the face of this natural natural disaster that had taken place and to to be able to to work to help people dig out of that you know with no no thought of compensation I mean we're we're just there to help you know we're we're there as missionaries without any money yeah and not looking for any compensation and and just wanting to roll our sleeves up and and help and that was that was an important experience for me the the the whole experience with hurricane and eki at the beginning of my mission uh really set the right tone for the rest of my experience and I I had a uh companion at the time he was my senior companion and my trainer his name was Bryant Arnold many people know him as Dragon he's my head of security he was down there with you so the relationship built with Brian Arnold otherwise known as Dragon uh at Skinwalker Ranch as my head of security has has been a a relationship I've had since my mission he was my my senior companion that's incredible and we've been dear friends ever since it didn't start off that way we hated each other that the first several weeks uh of my mission uh we were just at each other's throats I mean when you're young man and you're thrown into a small little apartment together you come from different backgrounds and are in in different places emotionally uh it it can be uh it can be a different experience and uh at first we really didn't see eye to eye and didn't get along uh but after a couple of weeks and uh a fist fight where we broke some furniture we uh we found common ground and became dear friends and had some very special experiences uh serving you know teaching people and uh and really learning a lot about ourselves and so that uh that friendship has been enduring and has been an important part of my life and so when I bought the ranch when I acquired Skinwalker Ranch secretly I needed someone that I could trust that would help Run Security as we were uh bringing in dignitaries and scientists and guests to to engage with the investigation and you know he you know Dragon had the the background as a as an expert Marksman uh licensed security specialist with the state of Utah and someone who really loves the outdoors uh the environment seemed to be a perfect fit for him plus he has that that look on his face all the time I mean people refer to that look as as uh as you know kind of a a uh a [ __ ] face look uh but he's always had that uh that demeanor he's always had that sour look on his face uh which I felt uh was was perfect for someone who' be running security yeah yeah I could see it so when you got back from Hawaii so was were you an agent broker did you own the buildings at that age or yeah I was merely acting as a broker bringing together landlords and tenants buyers and sellers and uh facilitating transactions I me I think this stuff's fascinating because today's world you just hear victimization you know it's it's I can't make it because of this and I can't do it because of this and these people are getting in my way and this this group's keeping me down and and and so to have somebody like you in here who who who came from nothing and built everything you have there was no college fund there was no college fund it was either we had to go work construction or or have a scholarship you know have grades that would would allow us to have a scholarship I was fortunate to have a leadership scholar scholarship uh to what is now Utah Valley University which is the largest institution in the state but it you know nothing was was just handed to me I mean those things had to be earned and there was sacrifice required I made $500 my entire first year of working full-time while going to to school full-time I starved to death trying to jump in the commercial real estate business the sales cycle involved was long and arduous but also the the learning curve and being able 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any other path I mean it's it requires sacrifice persistence and and discipline in order to to succeed and you know there at least in my world there there's no easy deal there's no easy path and uh you you learn how to Sid step a few landmines and learn how to efficiently navigate transactions as you grow and mature but uh it's it's it's really not any easier today than it was decades ago I just have a little bit better Arsenal to deploy and service to getting results it at what age did you start acquiring your portfolio of real estate yeah my 20s so I I uh I quickly uh accelerated my My Success my uh control of the commercial real estate market in Utah by the time I was 25 I had more office building listings was representing more buildings than anyone I believe at the time and and I had the opportunity to launch what was Coldwell Banker Commercial cold Banker Commercial was one of the oldest if not the oldest commercial real estate brand in the United States and there had uh there had been an opportunity at that time to to reintroduce the the CBC brand and platform to the market and so I was I was fortunate to co-found the C Banker Commercial operation in at age 25 and quickly grow it into the largest commercial real estate firm in uh in the Inner Mountain West uh it was it was an incredible uh opportunity to be able to to Leverage The proprietary database the datadriven approach that had differentiated me early in my career to to Really develop a uh a large commercial real estate firm that transformed the market and still continues to lead the Inner Mountain West under cers uh but uh it it wasn't until my 20s that I finally uh was able to to have the momentum to be able to to take some ownership and diversify in that regard and you know I'm very fortunate in that I haven't had to give up my role as a trusted advisor and broker while you know diversifying and having equity and owning uh real estate I've been able to I've been able to have the best of all worlds in my career thankfully some of the developments that I've seen that um you've that you've developed are I mean it's some beautiful architecture yeah the largest office parks in in really the Inner Mountain West largest mixed to use centers that have changed the skylines of the community and I I have to tell you that is the greatest rush to see a tangible manifestation of my labors to be able to see the impact of my work manifest in the the work spaces in the the shopping uh malls and and the the places that are providing employment and the economic development vehicle for our communities to thrive is a is a real privilege do you have a do you have a favorite piece the most unique piece of my portfolio is obviously Skinwalker Ranch the most scientifically studied paranormal hotspot on the planet uh we'll get to that in a few minutes I uh I I am currently Master planning uh over 1200 Acres on the North Shore of aahu in Hawaii where I serve my mission in fact it's a it's an incredible agricultural uh project that is providing the opportunity to return private ownership to the community of these you know 5 to 20 Acre Farm lots that have incredible ocean views and and the ability to create a true sustainable Community uh but in Utah as far as the office parks and Commercial centers uh I have a project called Thanksgiving Park that that is in the heart of what we now call silicon slopes uh almost a million square feet of Class A office space that has been a an important part of my my career uh putting that project together at its Inception all the way through to to success and conclusion has been a a great privilege but a number of other incredible projects Falcon Hill which is I think the finest Aerospace Research Park in the country at Hill Air Force Base is a uh noteworthy project that I've had the privilege of being involved in since since the beginning that uh that will continue to grow and expand uh but so many mixed use projects I currently represent projects in 28 municipalities oh wow several 100 uh properties that I I currently have the privilege of representing uh coupled with maintaining my position as chairman and co-owner of of Colliers Internationals Inter Mountain operation Colliers who who I merged with five years ago is one of the big three global commercial real estate service providers with 65 offices or excuse me with over 500 offices in 65 countries oh wow and 177,000 professionals cers is truly a global company and to to merge my my previous firm Cal Banker Commercial with Colliers propelled us to another level and has has been an exciting evolutionary step in my career and in tandem with that you know to have some of these other more unconventional projects that I've been focusing on uh has made life very interesting I'll bet let's talk about let's go back to Hawaii the Dole plation what's what is going on with the Dole Plantation Dole is in Dole fruit yeah so Dole Foods who uh started farming uh the property in in Hawaii back in the the mid 1800s has moved a lot of their farming operations to third world countries and as a result has been willing to sell their key pieces of uh of property uh in Hawaii and I fortunately not only being familiar with that area is having lived there for several years and served there as a missionary uh saw an opportunity to acquire the property bring in Partners to uh complete a master plan and to preserve the cultural and the agricultural focus and history of that area in the midst of this property there is a 350 to 400 acre Canyon Ranch that has remained unseen by by the general public it's it has been uh a secure part of the overall assemblage and is right out of Jurassic Park or Avatar it's a beautiful uh beautiful paradise that uh that we look forward to introducing the public to in the future what do you uh what do you envision well right now we're focusing on the the agricultural Mission and returning private ownership to the local community and as such we've we've been selling 5 to 20 acre lots for these uh these Farmers to to be able to create a a sustainable experience and that's amazing to to reclaim the land it's it has been a lot of fun all of this property for the most part is Ocean View so it looks out over the entire Northshore and uh is just just an incredible piece of property and and a fun project uh to work on in tandem with Skinwalker Ranch and and also leading the uh the largest office developments in the Inner Mountain West I've had a I've had a lot going on I've had my hands full it sounds like it I feel like I'm I'm living about 10 lifetimes at once currently but it's a it's a great privilege it's a high class first world problem as my dad would always hey you know I I think these stories are kind of like what I was talking about just a couple of minutes ago I think they're extremely important because it's showing that you don't have to be born into this it's hard work it's it's it's it's it's getting your hands dirty it's it's well the American dream is alive and well yeah look at me I I I'm the son of a ditch digger that's what I'm getting at and uh and and my dad would would be chuckling right now he'd be nodding saying yeah you're absolutely right I mean we're we are uh we're immigrants that uh that followed a dream you know that that came to this country you to to start a life and only in America do you see the kind of opportunities that that allow people to fulfill their dreams and I hope that we can keep that that alive I'm I'm worried about that I'm worried about our country right now and the forces that seek to undermine Freedom that seek to undermine free capitalist principles that allow people to take risk and be rewarded for taking risks and I I hope that we we see the same opportunities for the generations to come that we've we've been fortunate to have I hope so too there's um I'm worried about it too yeah I know there's a lot of us worried about the direction that we're heading in right now yeah it pisses me off me too I'm I'm pretty pretty angry about the the State of Affairs in this country and I hope that we can find more Unity that that's the funny thing is I feel like when all is said and done we really have more in common as we pull people together and we unify you know our communities but there's so much out there trying to divide us and I uh I hope that I hope that truth will prevail and that good people will work together to to help uh our country thrive in the future uh it's it's important I I'm very thankful for the opportunities I've been given I wouldn't be where I'm at without good parents grandparents with without great examples even my my teachers yeah my my high school teachers who had such an impact on me our Educators don't get anywhere near the praise that they should in fact we just went to we took our uh our favorite High School teacher to Mission Impossible this last weekend uh just to stay in close touch and the impact that Mr blazel who is who is our favorite teacher he was he taught English and German at Pleasant Grove High School the impact he has had on our lives and inspiring us to do better to be better you not only with learning learning English but also being better human beings and following his example uh that impact and that influence cannot be underestimated and I think it's important we we I think it's important that we honor those who are teaching our children that are teaching correct principles and being examples uh for our commun community and so it's it's it's fun what you'll find with me is I I surround myself primarily with people that have had an impact on me since my youth you know my my best friends regardless of you know what their occupation or their path in life or even our even the teachers from my past still act and serve as mentors and and I'm thankful for that that's amazing let's talk about your wife Kristen so we had dinner last night me and my wife and you and Kristen and um you know I never really know what to expect and and especially with with somebody like you coming in it you never really know you know how it's going to go and both of you are so grounded and just a real pleasure to be around and you compliment each other perfectly when did you guys meet you we met a number of years ago uh we've only been married for uh for almost 2 years but we met each other at age 11 and uh lived in the same neighborhood grew up together but went different directions we didn't date uh in high school uh I I I should have had more courage to ask her out but she was both too pretty and and I think she was a little shy and and I was as well but we end up bumping into into each other later in life you she's a widow uh her first husband died of H1N1 of you the flu a number of years ago and and left her raising you know two boys and a daughter and grappling with you know what what that meant the implication of of being a widow in her early 40s and and I've been in a in a state of transition was was married yeah for decades but uh uh that didn't work out I mean life is is complicated you we all like to think when we're When We're Young uh that it's going to be a linear it's going to be a straight linear predictable path but it isn't uh life throws a lot of curveballs and I've been fortunate as we we've met each other a number of years ago actually bumped into each other in the lobby of her uh of her building where she was working for one of the most prominent law firms in the state that I happen to be working with that uh we uh we reconnected and and I'm fortunate to have a wife that is not only my best friend and my partner but someone who shares the same excitement and and shares the same goals and objectives it's it's great to have that I didn't know that that existed I I was pretty jaded I didn't think that you could really be married to your best friend um and that uh that that would be possible but she's been a key key force behind uh everything business Skinwalker Ranch and and all of these other efforts and she's uh she's she's a lot of fun we I've never laughed so hard in my life and I I never thought I would find balance at age 50 um it's uh it's funny I I I really am a a teenager from the 80s stuck in a 50-year-old body if you if you ever want to figure out kind of what makes me tick or really my world view just think of me as a 16-year-old from the 80s stuck in in this time frame in a 50-year-old body and that sums it up uh I think it's important to note my friends and I really remind me of the kids on Stranger Things I don't know if you're familiar with that series on Netflix but my best friends and I we were 12 13 years old in the mid 80s at that same time period and we we were convinced that there was there was nefarious activity going on and you know under the surface of small town Pleasant Grove and and there were Mysteries to be solved and I remember riding our bikes around town between uh toilet paper people people's homes at night and uh running down to 7-Eleven to get a a Big Gulp or a Slurpee and watching watching videos you from from the the local video store um we we were really fortunate to to have uh a World ahead of us that seem to have no limits there seem to be no limiting factors and I I would say that that still holds true our greatest uh barriers to success are sitting right there in the mirror I think uh we hold ourselves back more than more than anyone else you know the power to take command of one's Destiny is uh is right there in the palm of your hand and so it back then I remember anything seemed possible and I think this this realm this reality that we live in is a uh is a reality where long shots are possible uh where dreams can be fulfilled you look at the heroes of our age whether it be Michael Jordan you see his his story played out in that there's a movie called air uh that that shows that his deal you know the the deal with between he and Nike that created the Air Jordan yeah um and and you go down the the list of just incredible uh examples of triumph over adversity and the Fulfillment of dreams and ambition manifest in our world and it's it's nothing short of inspiring and I think we're just we're just getting War War Med up I think the opportunities we have before us in this day and age where we all we all carry around the equivalent of a a Library of Alexandria in our pocket times 10,000 where there really aren't limiting factors at least so far as long as we preserve and protect our freedoms and our our our right to to be able to succeed and to take risk and be rewarded for that risk I think keeping that intact that system intact is going to be so critical to Our Success going forward I mean our our uh ancesters fought for it died for it died many so many people died so that we we can enjoy the freedoms we have today and you're you're proof of that I mean you serving with the Navy Seals you're a you're a hero you're a patriot you and your your crew made it possible that for us to be sitting here right now and having this discussion I think that reminding people that that freedom isn't free that it comes at Great cost and we need to to be vigilant is is important it's more important now than ever I agree with you but thank you for saying that you know with when it comes to I'm trying to figure out how to piece this together but last night um talking with you and Kristen it seems like since you two have been together a lot of things have come around full circle one of them being uh making the world a better place I know that uh Kristen I believe sits on the board of a nonprofit that is combating sex trafficking abuse and that has been a topic that we've been hitting here on the show quite a bit and so I just I want to commend you guys uh both of you for that that's amazing work very important and um and and if you want to expound on that a little bit oh we we we think it's important to give back we're very passionate about our community you know Utah Valley University where we both went to school is is dear to us I think providing scholarship opportunities for single mothers her mother was a single mom she was raised by a single mom just down the street in in my neighborhood and and you know I was fortunate to have a leadership scholarship that afforded me the opportunity to to go to school and tandem with with with building my career in commercial real estate at a young age I think giving to good causes supporting causes that will help our community and help the Next Generation succeed and carry that torch forward is is an important part of our Legacy and we're we're fortunate to be serving on a lot of of boards and contributing to a lot of incredible causes Junior Achievement um sapra uh you know we even work actively with the the Chambers of Commerce to help support our business community and and Elevate I think the the communities uh ability to lead not only in in our in our state but also uh be recognized as an example of Excellence Nationwide it's it's no coincidence that Utah is continually being recognized as the number one place to do business in the country wow the number one economic uh place to to do business and it's because we have an incredible an incredible environment where the Pioneer spirit that was that was brought by our ancestors is still alive and well that entrepreneurial pioneering spirit that uh that drives uh our community forward is is thankfully still alive and well to this day so Brandon what is your involvement with the supria foundation now my wife Kristen uh serves on The Advisory Board of soia which which really focuses on helping victims of sexual abuse uh it started off he really focused on women and girls who have been the victims of sexual abuse and now uh men are also being aided through that effort but we feel that's an important philanthropic effort and and something that we are passionate about their goal is to end abuse and end it through education and providing a safe place for victims to be able to get the help they need and educating you know the community as to the the challenges that are out there that's awesome are you guys involved in any other Charities yeah Maloof Foundation we're proudly uh working with them and supporting them Utah Valley University what is the what is the previous one uh Maloof Foundation also you know human trafficking is something that they are are are focused on eradicating uh Elizabeth Smart uh who you know has an incredible story sits on their board and as part of their effort but uh uh they do they do great work and uh but my wife's work with sapria is resulting in Saving Lives that's amazing and educating people uh with a focus on ending sexual abuse it's uh like I said I mentioned before that's a topic that I made it a point to cover this year and I'm going to continue to cover it I I already have interviews lined up all the way through next year on the topic and and I got to tell you you know the more I dive into that the the more I realize it's it's not getting any better yeah it's it's more is coming out on it and it's it's just it's a dark sad but probably the most important topic that we need to start discussing today well and and providing Solutions yes giving people safe safety and and help that are coming out of those in incredibly difficult situations yeah so we we're very proud to be supporting those efforts as well as other philanthropic efforts it's a key part of our mission we need more people like you out there doing that that's amazing oh I'm nothing I'm I'm just a my first boss in commercial real estate told me one day he said don't forget you're nothing but a glorified pots and pan salesman let's keep it real I'm right on and so I've always tried to keep it real that uh at the end of the day I'm just I'm here as a service provider and and we're only good as good as our next deal every day I wake up programm to feel unemployed uh and and people ask me well haven't you felt great success when you when you close on the sale of an office park or you put together a new project and close that deal you you close a mega deal doesn't that doesn't that bring a sense of peace and success and gratification and the the reality is the hours following the closure the successful closure of my largest transaction are the ones where I felt the most anxiety because I realize I am unemployed you are only as good as your next deal as your next project and at the end of the day no one cares what you did a year ago two years ago it's what have you done today what are you doing tomorrow uh memories fade and uh the ability to constantly uh reinvent and sharpen the saw so to speak is is a key to success in business not being complacent yeah you know the other thing that came full circle which I didn't uh learn until last night is skim Walker Ranch so Kristen was talking about her mother and how she had this infatuation with UAP UFO phenomenon type stuff and then and then you come along you guys get married and I don't did you already I already owned the already own skw Walker but it was it was a it was a happy coincidence that she she happened to be raised by an experiencer you know her mother was was an experiencer that witnessed a UFO in broad daylight with her with her brother and shared that experience her entire life with those around her including her daughter Kristen you know my wife and so Kristen was already somewhat familiar with the landscape associated with the UFO topic and to to hear my disclosure that I had acquired this Infamous piece of property that had been the center of gravity for research and investigation dealing with these topics was uh was a happy realization and and quite interesting and it has brought things full circle um I would have never imagined uh if you would have asked me 10 years ago did you if if I would be in this position today that I would own uh a piece of property and be funding to the tunes of millions if not tens 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right Brandon we're back from the break and now we're getting to what I've really been dying to talk to about Skinwalker Ranch I mean I found Skinwalker Ranch from a buddy of mine that I used to work with at CIA he passed me the program and and I dove in and I I was just I've been infatuated with it ever since and there's just there's so much going on there you have cattle mutilations you have radiation spikes you have more UAP UFO activity than than anywhere else I've ever heard of yeah you have all these these weird injuries is happening to people that out there I mean how did this how did this Ranch ever even wind up on your radar well it's an unlikely story uh but about 13 years ago I was funding an advanced physics effort uh we' actually transformed a a large percentage of our of our hanger facility of our family's Aviation uh management and hanger facility at the Provo Airport into an engineering lab testing physics theories dealing with gravitational physics uh it was an interesting effort was something I did not publicize and we ultimately using scientific rigor and discipline disproved the uh the core claims and the theories that were being Advanced but through that effort what hold on what got you interested in that yeah it was a former client so so I had a a client that I represented back in the mid90s that was a a genius software development executive that ended up forming a a company that became the world's leading internet consulting firm and he he left that firm ultimately uh to fund efforts relative to the UFO phenomena uh had claimed that he had his own experience had been visited I found it all to be quite unbelievable but I could not uh deny his success in business I'd had the privilege of negotiating as first headquarters transaction and uh and and working with him at a young age and when when uh reconnecting with him in late 2009 going into 2010 uh he claimed that he'd spent spent tens of millions of dollars focused on really discovering the the technology or the principle of action that would enable uh gravity you know anti-gravity and overun energy I was I was skeptical uh but willing to to listen he he was he was a very um celebrated respected uh Tech Mogul in his 20s in in the 90s I mean he sold his first company to Noel uh as a teenager and uh as IID mentioned he he he' built the the world's largest internet consulting firm wow uh that I had the privilege of of advising and working with so hearing his claims I was intrigued I was willing to invest uh even willing to to devote some of our facilities and resources to to the effort well it ended up becoming a very challenging Endeavor but through that experience I developed relationships with a team of science advisers that unbeknownst to me were simultaneously advising an elusive billionaire out of Las Vegas named Robert Bigalow of Bigalow Aerospace who as a as a real estate developer uh and entrepreneur was was a kindred spirit of sorts and so it following the closure of that research project back in 2013 uh I was surprised to receive a call from the two senior science advisers that had had been on our board uh with the question uh as you know asking if I would be interested in having a a discussion a meeting with Mr Bigalow regarding a ranch in northeastern Utah known as Skinwalker Ranch they asked me if I'd heard of this place I told them yeah I I was familiar with a book that had been published you know back in the mid 2000s called hunt for the skinwalker uh I chuckled and told them I I didn't know that there was any truth to it but I remember it being a uh an entertaining read at the time uh but I told them I said you know that I'm a skeptic I've never seen a UFO a ghost orb you're also aware that I just concluded funding a project where we by using scientific rigor and discipline debunked the core claims and I'm really not interested in in you know these these French topics and I I happen to believe that there's most likely a natural praic explanation for the claims that are being made well they they proceeded to say well Brandon there's a lot more going on that meets the eye and you as a as a Real Estate Mogul and adviser in the Inner Mountain West you know seem to be a potential fit to joint venture or at least have a discussion with Mr Bigalow and I I agreed I I I jumped at the chance to at least have a meeting to have a discussion flew down to Las Vegas and found myself at Mr Bigelow's uh Bigalow Aerospace compound which is the closest thing to a James Bond villain Lair that I've ever seen I mean it's a it's an incredible facility I mean huge buildings that have full-size space stations and space habitats that have been designed where they're they're they're doing the Materials Science and the life safety uh testing and uh and Engineering to to Really position Bigalow Aerospace at least the time to be the real estate development company of space wow and uh Mr Bigalow uh had an interest in in potentially selling the the Utah property he had EXP expressed uh it expressed not only willingness to consider the sale but the the fact that he was very busy and occupied with uh you know negotiating deals with SpaceX and NASA and others uh you know playing a key role in the private space race uh we we had a great visit and I think developed a good relationship I I told him that I was a skeptic that I'd never seen a UFO or a ghost or orb or anything of the sort and that I would be bringing in my own team I also asked him for any of the data uh and he said well I'm selling the property on an AIS basis I'm not willing to turn over any data not only because the ranch was part of a pentagon funded black budget program between 2000 7 in 2013 but he he went on to say that he felt you know he wanted to keep that that private and I agreed at the end of the day I felt that starting with a clean slate would would help me establish a Baseline and most likely help me even better establish that there was a natural explanation for the reports you wanted a clean slate you didn't want the the previous data or research no I didn't push I I asked respectfully and and I respected his his response and his Quest did he so was it was it was he unable to pass the the research and the data because it was a black budget program or or did he just he just wasn't willing to share yeah I think I think it was both did he want you to continue the research at the ranch uh I think he saw he saw in me a worthy successor as someone who who would at least be the appropriate owner Taking It Forward given my real estate background proximity to the ranch you know I I live about 2 and 1/2 hours away it's only about a 45 minute flight via helicopter uh and and he had heard positive things about me from his science advisers his science advisors had um had told him that I had managed the the project that we had shared in common uh with professionalism and and I think that uh that meant something to him he was not putting the property up on the market for sale I mean the property was never offered or marketed for sale this was a very private transaction private dialogue and and I told him that I would acquire the property uh so long as my identity would be kept confidential and I worked with my legal counsel to structure the entities that would Shield my identity in fact my name wasn't wasn't on any of the paperwork by Design I had registered agents that uh that managed that process and truly wanted to stay below the radar and not have my identity associated with the ranch in any way what what year was this 2016 so I closed closed on the property the first week in April 2016 and proceeded to bring in my own team and assess really whether there there was any reality to the claims that were being made at the time I was on the the board of the national parks Council the Boy Scouts of America and uh honestly was intending to donate it uh to the Boy Scouts and the Girl Scouts for a for a potential site that you where that those experiences that could be had because I didn't think that there was anything truly unusual I felt like you know my investigation and and research would ultimately confirm that there was nothing there was nothing paranormal or disturbing about this incredible piece of property and so when I flew in and saw the property for the first time I was shocked at how beautiful how strikingly beautiful the landscape was as the helicopter came in and I was looking over at my brother who was piloting and looking back at Jim moris who I was recruiting to come in and be really the face of the property at the time and be the ranch manager in the community liaison I was taken aback by how beautiful the property was and the diversity of the landscape here you have this Red Rock Mesa that runs the entire expanse of the prop property from east to west you have waterways that BCT the property you have these old Pioneer homesteads that are still standing uh that uh that that provide a very unique interesting backdrop and uh and it is a a working uh Ranch I mean there has been cattle brought on and off the property periodically and I've I've maintained that use through my stewardship over the course of the last you know seven plus years as well and so when I flew into the property I was just shocked at how how beautiful it was you could shoot any number of Hollywood films of John Wayne westerns on this property or even Westworld which is uh you know a favorite of mine uh it's it's that diverse and that strikingly uh unique and I proceeded to to engage professionals to bring in a superintendent within days Thomas witon who helped assess the physical facilities and what we needed to do in order to install certain things and we had caretakers at the time I had a uh a a uh professional an ex marine who uh was a drone expert that was tasked with not only conducting drone surveillance of the property but also developing being a historical record of the landscape to better understand every inch of this 512 acre uh assemblage how so when you when you took over when you took possession of Skinwalker Ranch you really had you didn't have any idea how much activity was actually happening there no I on top of that you were you were a skeptic you had mentioned last night that you had Pur Skinwalker Ranch to basically debunk the entire yeah UFO UAP tocket so what I'm curious about is how do you how does somebody that has been conducting experiments with the US government on a black budget program who very much believes in all of these phenomenons that are happening how do you determine the value when you're selling to a skeptic who wants to to acquire it to debunk the ENT the entire operation yeah it's it's a it's a negotiation it's subjective but I think Mr Bigalow knew that I would that I was respectful he knew that I would handle the property with care with respect I think that he he respected my desire for anonymity for privacy uh I I didn't tell my family uh my you my family my closest business partners were purposely out of the loop and unaware of my acquisition and this new Venture uh By Design so it was it was an interesting launch to to the The Saga that continues to unfold with Skinwalker Ranch uh in the first several months we dealt with primarily challenges dealing with dilapidated infrastructure we had a a septic system that wasn't working that was backed up I found quickly we didn't have adequate power infrastructure to to be able to to secure the property we we had no fiber optic connectivity uh to be able to to effectively conduct a more advanced investigation so the the first several months I coordinated with you know Thomas witon and Jim Morris and my caretakers and other advisers to to address the infrastructure issues of this property it was very very rundown there was no command center there was no technology the reports that Mr Bigalow uh received on a weekly basis were were sent via fax there was a fax machine in 2016 there was a fax machine that was the primary technology used for disseminating reports relative to activity at the ranch believe it or not and uh uh I was I was surprised to find that uh that the ranch was was in that state I I was also surprised to find that on the perimeter fence line there were animal body parts there were there were animal bladders hanging from the fence line when I was first shown the property uh by exiting Bigalow security and I asked the security I said what what is the nature of what the hell is that what why why are those things hanging from the fence line perimeter of the property and and the security at the time looked at me with a straight face and said look the Native American neighbors that surround this property place these animal bladders on the fence line and bless them to keep the demonic spirits and entities inside this property and off of their property and I I quickly learned that the tribal leaders in the uent Basin and surrounding the property had been telling their people not to even look the way of the ranch that they were they were told don't even look the way of the property or else you may have demonic forces entities that would follow you and uh and that's something that is that has been discussed and documented uh but is is a is an interesting part of the history so I I was very surprised when first inspecting the property and visiting the property at what I found um after a couple of months my surveyor uh contacted me one day with uh with a report that he just captured the image of a UFO was right about noon in uh June of 2016 and I said really are you sure and he said yeah I I I have I have it on my my camera and I told him will you stop everything right now don't talk to anyone else drive straight to my office because I want the metadata I want to download that picture without it being corrupted without it being compromised I want it directly on my graphic director's computer to be analyzed if if you really believe that you've captured something and so he he did he drove 2 and 1/2 hours straight to my office in Salt Lake City and downloaded that image right there in front of me you know with my Graphics director we still have the metadata and it was an interesting image in fact uh it reminded me of the Millennium Falcon from Star Wars Fame really um and uh and it was it was interesting I checked uh the the flight records to see if there was any any activity any commercial or private uh air traffic that would match up with that in the Basin during that time uh that that again corresponded to that metadata and there was none and it was uh it was intriguing was I convinced that there were that the UFO phenomena was was real you know that there was some extraordinary you know you know cause or origin to this no but I was intrigued several weeks later I get another call brand I've got another image we myself and the caretakers just saw a glowing object appear right outside of Homestead 1 or right outside of the ranch house and I've got the images and I I I need to show you this and I I told them drive straight to my office um please get here as fast as you can and sure enough it it was an intriguing image we had the metadata it was very different than the UFO that was captured weeks before how so uh it it had a different shape different characteristics do you still have these images I'll share those with you you bet we put them up on screen you bet um and and those those created some interest I still was unconvinced I mean we have the Utah test and training range out west of Hill Air Force Base I mean I've I've worked as the the commercial real estate adviser to Falcon Hill and that Aerospace Research Park and I'm aware that that there are programs that that that are out there and there are tests being conducted that uh could very well be potentially connected with some of the the UN unidentified aerial phenomena that uh that have been reported so I I remained curious but unconvinced and then in October of 201 16 I received a call from one of my advisers saying that a certain individual a prominent doctor out of Las Vegas who had been working on Area 51 had been a Consulting physician to Area 51 had is his number one request his number one wish on his life bucket list to visit Skinwalker Ranch and and this adviser of mine asked if I would be willing to host him and I said yeah of course I I was intrigued by this individual's background and I I said as long as they sign the confidentiality agreement and the liability waiver that I've put in place I have no problem hosting him what did that conversation go like when he arrived well so they arrive in Salt Lake City signed the confidentiality agreement I I of course informed them that I I did not want my identity as the owner in the public domain I didn't want that disclosed and I appreciated them keeping that private I also told them that there had been reports of course for 20 plus years that there's strange activity on the property and that even though I hadn't witnessed anything I mean as a sorry I'm getting a little ahead of myself here but as a skeptic as a skeptic of the entire operation that's been going on there even after seeing the the two Imes were you were still a skeptic correct and now you have a guy who had a major part in Area 51 which I mean what is what's going through your head when you get a phone call asking you for this guy from Area 51 this is his lifelong dream to come out to skim Walker Ranch I mean does that validate no I I just thought it was cool I thought it was interesting I was happy to host them and so when they signed the confidentiality agreement and flew into Salt Lake City and met with me you know an hour before making the journey and flying out to the ranch you know I told them I said you understand I I've owned the ranch for 6 months and I have yet to experience anything unusual I've been going out there periodically to inspect the property meet with my team and all I find is a beautiful landscape so if you're expecting that you're going to come out today and see something unusual in mind I own the property and I have yet to witness anything personally with my own eyes or even feel anything that would be even slightly unusual out on the property so I I look forward to hosting you today I look forward to to it being a fun day looking at a a historic landscape that has a a very interesting history to it but uh don't expect anything more than that I wanted that disclaimer to be out there yeah at the very beginning and so we proceeded to to fly out to the ranch we were accompanied by my physicist uh who is Eric Bard who continues to this day as our principal investigator Eric was also a skeptic uh Eric was the physicist brought in to debunk and disprove the claims of the gravitational physics effort that I had funded at our private hanger facil so I thought who better to bring in to bring scientific rigor and discipline and a critical eye and critical thinking skills to the ranch than Eric bar he had already disproved these core claims that uh we' spent millions of dollars investigating and uh and was a very very skeptical person I me you could you could flat out call him that he is a he's a non-believer and so Eric Bard the physicist accompanied us that day as well as Ranch manager Jim Morse and uh upon arrival everyone wanted to hike up the Mesa everyone wanted to get up on top of the Mesa and look out over this incredibly beautiful property and I was like okay fine knock yourselves out I was I was wearing Armani slacks and you know black dress shoes and I didn't want to get dirty and I I was trying to trying to somehow get a line out at the time to to check my my voicemail and so they proceeded to hike up to the top of the Mesa and within minutes I hear Eric Bard the physicist start shouting down Brandon Brandon get up here I looked up and I yell I said really you really want me to hike up you want me to run up the face of the Mesa to join you he says yes get up here right now he's pointing to his uh his iPhone so I shrug go booking it up the uh the face of the Mesa in my dress shoes and my slacks and and uh as I arrive out of breath at the top of the Mesa he's sitting there looking at his phone and and motions for me to watch his iPhone we sit there in silence for minutes nothing's happening I see nothing unusual I'm like what what are you talking about and Eric says well you should have seen it my phone was malfunctioning in the most strange ways it was it was turning all sorts of magenta purple color and I've never seen this it was very very unusual and I just Shrugged I said well it it's not doing it now and about that time you know the others that were up there on the Mesa said that they were feeling a little bit woozy feeling a little uneasy they weren't and wanted to hike back down and proceed with the tour of the ranch and so we all we all went down and uh proceeded to drive out to Homestead 2 which is the the cluster of old old structures that seems to be a center of gravity for strange phenomena on the property and as we pull up to Homestead 2 and we're all uh kind of congregating out in front of those old structures um it was uh it was interesting you know a few people said well do you feel the the ground shifting uh and and even Eric Bard said yeah I feel you guys feeling this Sensation that I'm feeling kind of vertigo and I I was kind of across the courtyard uh from them and I I just smiled and said no I I don't feel anything and then all of a sudden Eric says Ah my phone's doing it again my phone's malfunctioning again well I I learned from earlier that I need to move fast if I'm going to see you know whatever is happening and so I I Dart over to his side and sure enough his whole phone had turned perf purple had turned this magenta purplish color and was flashing and acting all erratically and uh and everyone was talking about how they they were feeling uneasy well thank goodness he had the presence of mind to screen capture the malfunctioning phone I'll share that with you right now thank you and uh you can see it in fact he was taking he was taking photos of me right before standing in the uh the entry to Homestead 2 in in front of the doorway uh just before you know they started feeling uneasy and then ultimately the smartphone malfunction started occurring uh it was strange uh my brother Cameron who is a you know very skilled Aviator has multiple degrees in aviation science and management and my my little brother Matthew who runs operations who were there said that they uh they weren't comfortable uh St they said we we want to we want to leave uh we'll go to the airport call us later on today when you're available but we're feeling uneasy which I thought was the silliest thing I'm like come on really what so what how many people from Area 51 it was well so there was the one the surgeon uh the doctor and then he was accompanied by two Security Professionals one was uh uh former president the California Hell's Angels and another one was a contractor and then he had his son uh who was a grown adult I don't know how old he was but he his son also accompanied so it was a group of four of them that joined at the time my brothers Eric Bard who is you know my Consulting physicist and uh Jim Morse Ranch manager and they're all witnessing this so what what was the conversation like they signed the paperwork they signed the the non-disclosure the the the the waiver what are they what are they hoping to see well I asked them I said after telling them I've never seen a UFO I've owned the ranch for 6 months and all I've seen is a strikingly beautiful landscape and I'm I'm skeptical I've never never seen anything like that that I can report and I I proceeded to ask them I said we're sitting there preparing to leave for Skinwalker Ranch I said do you guys really believe in this UFO crap and and the two Security Guys the the two Security Professionals that were accompanying the doctor said no they shook their heads no we we don't believe it and uh and the doctor just smiled and he says you guys don't even know what you're talking about you have no idea what is real and we all we all just kind of shrugged it off and I I kind of winked at the two security guards knowingly that oh yeah you know the the doctor's you know probably just another UFO nut but that's okay he's a nice enough guy so anyways we find ourselves out at Homestead to smartphone malfunctioning everyone's feeling these physical effects my brothers are feeling uneasy enough that they want to leave and they leave they're they're happier driving and sitting at the airport for hours until I tell them that we're ready to fly back and uh and I'm finding the whole thing interesting well as we're as we're all discussing kind of the history of Skinwalker Ranch and the homesteads you know we proceed to kind of get our phones out to take some pictures I felt like it was a good photo opportunity and low and behold my phone's dead it had previously been at 80% charge my phone's completely dead Eric Bard's phone that had recorded that where he had screen captured the uh the anomaly the the strange colors and flashing was dead the others phones were dead so we you know we didn't have our our cameras so I thought darn well we better go take them back to to the ranch house and plug them in and let them charge up but we don't want to disrupt our day because of it it was very frustrating and so we took the phones back put them in Chargers and then we proceeded to to return back out to the old homesteads this time we drove all the way back out to Homestead 3 which is beyond Homestead 2 and it's a single structure it's it's it's uh it's pretty haunting looking and uh we pull up around the back side of the structure this is October October uh 14th of 2016 and we all pile out and we all walk around the other side and again we're looking at the landscape and everyone's visiting and having a good experience I mean my brothers have returned have left and returned to the airport awaiting a call you know hours later and uh and we're just visiting and after about 10 minutes I asked well where's where's George the big guy the the security uh the 6'6 security um professional that uh that was there was wasn't present and for some reason uh we kind of lost track of him and everyone said well when we we all piled out of the uh the open air Polaris you know UTV the ranger you no one really paid attention I said well let me go try to find him so I proceed to walk around to the back of the uh the homestead Homestead 3 to find George and right as I'm coming coming around the corner and this this grass area where we' parked it and the the vehicle being off in the distance it was as if something cued my ears it was all of the all of my hearing was was impacted it was as if I walked into a into a soundproof room if you ever been into an anaco chamber or a soundproof room and that sensation the the only thing you can do to see simulate it right now is by by you know cupping your ears it's like a frequency change yeah all of the ambient noise disappears and I thought it was the strangest thing it was the strangest sensation and then I see off in the distance standing fully upright this 6'6 giant of a man in the back of this UTV and I thought that's odd so I yell his name George I can hear kind of muff it's almost like yelling underwater that's strange and I I proceed to to walk to get closer and he's not responding and as I near the vehicle and Shout his name again he's he's standing upright with his eyes closed and right as I'm nearing the vehicle all of the ambient noise all of the sound comes back is is restored and as I yell his name again his eyes fluttered open and he looked down at me and I said what's going on something happen what what's going on and he said well that was weird and I I asked him I said what was weird what what is weird and he he says well when you all jumped out when you pulled up and you all you stopped the vehicle and you all jumped out I stood up and found myself paralyzed I couldn't speak I couldn't move and then everything went black and he asked how long how have I been how long have I been here and I said about 10 minutes and he just shook his head was was obviously Disturbed I asked him I said is this ever happened to you in your life have you ever had this experience and he said no I've never experienced anything like this 10 minutes wow had passed who knows what happened but he he felt odd he expressed the fact that he felt a little bit off and uh and we proceeded to gather everyone up and uh and jump back in the vehicles and so as we're we're going back to retrieve our phones to have our cameras we're driving on that dirt road at the base of the Mesa you know that main road that you see on the docu series that runs east west on the property and as we're about halfway back to Homestead one or the ranch house or the command center as we now call it the other security professional in the back starts shouting stop the vehicle stop the vehicle and I'm driving I'm just Trucking along driving this little pluris UTV and I look back and he's waving his hands pointing up ahead so I I I bring the vehicle to a stop and he's just shotting he says look at that look at that and sure enough I look right where he's pointing right ahead of us right above the Mesa at 4:00 in the afternoon on October 14th and there is a 4050 ft long silver grayish disc-like object what can only be described as a flying saucer and it's just sitting there in in broad daylight clear as day right above the Mesa probably about 100 100 ft above the Mesa or so and we're all sitting there astonished I'm like you guys see that and he's like yeah that's what I I was trying to get you to stop stop the vehicle within a couple seconds it changes position it literally blinked from one position to another either it moved with split second speed or it was able to to change position through some other means but it moves about 50 ft to the left or to the north we all like it appeared 50 ft to the left or you actually saw it it was like in the blink of an eye it could change position and move that quickly we all sat there astonished and said did you see that seconds later it drops to just kind of a low hover above the Mesa it it literally changes position and drops right above the Mesa still sitting there clear as day it was almost like a video game it looked it was surreal and then within a few seconds later it darts to the right we're all with every movement we're gasping we're saying are you watching this do you see this and then within about 20 seconds from the start of the event it is gone it either it it appeared that it either went to a DOT as if it were darting off into the distance at Split Second speed or it was literally phasing in out of our perception instantaneously uh but it was gone and that whole event spanning about 20 seconds that I saw right in front of us with multiple Witnesses at my side that I had not met before that day that had professed the same skepticism that morning sat there changed forever in that moment Sean I went from being an open-minded skeptic to an experiencer it wasn't it wasn't about belief it was undeniable it was fact what we saw was real Eric Bard my physicist and principal investigator upon all of us getting back asked that we not talk with each other about the event he wanted to get our independent testimony which was wise he wanted to make sure that we all saw the same thing and all reported the same thing uh and he he did he he independently took down all of our testimony that matched up that aligned perfectly we all saw the same UFO the same erratic Behavior and we were unchanged we were changed by that day it was crazy what amount of time were you from top of the Mesa where the phone started where Eric's phone started acting up to two hours hours that's a hell of a sequence of events for for two hours of time well and we get back and here here's the postcript not only did we all give matching independent testimony relative to the event of the day in that specific event the next morning the 6'6 security professional that had the experience out at Homestead 3 checked himself into the hospital where he sat for weeks with an illness that no one could diagnose that he described as the the worst sickness he'd ever experienced in his life he couldn't get up couldn't walk and this immediately followed the experience and that's a lot of correlating events that took place on that day you have smartphone malfunction rapid battery depletion acute medical episodes for multiple people yeah multiple Witnesses a diversity of witnesses including two who who chose to leave the area were were so uncomfortable they did not want to stick around and then a UFO sighting in broad daylight with multiple Witnesses all of those things that occurred in October 2016 changed my entire perspective and from that point forward I proceeded to not only allocate significant funds in order to establish the scientific platforms and the security necessary in order to to study this property and to to document the reality of the phenomena but uh I was focused on bringing in the right team and expanding the team of Professionals in order to to to understand the nature of what we are dealing with uh within months we we installed a full security gated entrance with the guard shack that you see today we had all of the Power infrastructure upgraded trenched installed fiber optic infrastructure put in place we transformed with the help of Thomas witon and contractors the uh the old dilapidated double wide security trailer into a command center that still serves as a uh as a key point of research uh there on the ranch and we proceeded to to graduate from game cameras and and and and very um very basic surveillance cameras and tools to to I think much more sophisticated platforms to monitor what is happening at the ranch and the rest is history um over the next year we proceeded to take more data to document additional uh events of UFO activity and other high strangeness and uh it it propelled us forward news of a new terror attack this time in West Africa special forces in the capital of Mali have stormed a luxury hotel where gunmen are holding up to 170 hostages the standoff at the Rison [Music] blue how many bodies were you [Music] seeing the first few um were just kind of like sporadic in the foret area and then did you know any of [Music] them this one American just like called and said that he's trapped in a room on fire and he's hiding under one of the banquet tables and they're shooting over top of them please come get me come help [Music] me I can't do this h the gunmen are like coming down the stairs they're on the landing and then we blck eyes and then he yells all Oar at me and [ __ ] those moments of of blacking out [Music] all right Brandon we're back from the break and we just kind of finished up your first experience of uh seeing phenomena and UFOs that the ranch and so there's a couple questions just rewinding um or you had to so I know you had mentioned that Bigalow did not really reveal much of what was going on at that ranch but I would oh that after that day you had to be dying to get back in touch with him and and and and and ask questions after what you just experienced did you do that I I reached out to his people to Dr kellerer and others that had been advising Mr Bigalow and and asked if there's any way we could share data from the past or collab I simply to to better understand the nature of the phenomena at the ranch and and Mr Bigalow was not not interested and that's okay I I I respected it he wanted to hold all of that keep it close to the vest and um [Music] and we I don't mean to have this pregnant pause so going answer your question well so which is and the truth the truth is within weeks following that event I wanted to pull together an Advisory Board and Mr Bigalow to discuss our investigation and what we had been experiencing at the ranch what had been documented and so we pulled everyone together months later uh at uh uh at the ranch and also hosted a gathering in Salt Lake City uh in the spirit of collaboration and even though a lot of it was focused on just discussing what had been reported and experienced in the past on the property we were discussing the future scientific protocols and the investigation and I was very clear with everyone that I I wanted to use scientific rigor and discipline to carefully document the phenomena and and ultimately understand the nature of what was happening there has been great disagreement relative to the origin and the the agenda associated with the phenomena not just as Skinwalker Ranch but globally there's a lot of uh divide a lot of different op different opinions so there's some people who say that it's all benevolent that we're being visited by beings from other world that are benevolent beings and star people and there are others that say that there's a more Insidious a darker uh motive and agenda they point to the cattle mutilation phenomena I mean you're talking over 10,000 reported and documented cases you can bet on the fact that there are probably over 100,000 that have been unreported that have occurred I mean it's been called the greatest unsolved crime spree in the country uh and there's still no explanation no one has been caught still to this day to this day no one has been caught in the act of you know conducting a cattle mutilation it's very mysterious and of course that's part of the history there have been a lot of bizarre cattle mutilations that have occurred on this property that are well documented uh Mr Bigalow to his credit uh it brought in a veterinarian brought in experts to consult and provide reports uh within the uh the first several months of opening the ranch up for a docu series effort of course we had a a young calf a 2-year-old calf perfectly healthy die just south of Homestead 1 right there near the fence line and investigated that incident of course we had multiple smartphones that were malfunctioning both an iPhone and a Samsung Galaxy device that were both malfunctioning simultaneous with the investigation and discovery of the cow we had you know elevated uh gamma and other readings that were that were documented and then of course an object that was captured by the camera surveillance going over right above that cow right about the time that it died uh that it fell over and uh I think one of the most intriguing parts of that part of the investigation is the fact that even when bringing out the Utah State veterinarian again this is the veterinarian for the state of Utah with the Department of Agriculture who comes out over a year after the cow died to inspect the site to inspect the carcass finding no Predator activity it had remained completely untouched mysteriously on a piece of property where nothing nothing survives any any dead animal is quickly dispatched by any number of coyotes are you saying the cow had not decomposed and and that wasn't drugging off by Predators or anything no predator or scavenger activity had touched it in a year over a year wow the Utah State veterinarian proceeded to order tests actually took samples those tests revealed that there was no poisoning there was nothing unusual that they could point to that would account for the absolute lack of Predator scavenger AC ity and to this day it remains one of the the most mysterious incidents captured on camera and well documented involving third-party experts that uh that remain baffled uh so it we're dealing with a very Dynamic set of bizarre circumstances that can continue to be documented in one location on the planet which happens to be there at Skinwalker Ranch and it uh it really is the greatest science project of our time let's let's go back into just a little bit more of the history of it so the backstory so this goes this goes way previous to Robert Bigalow in 1996 the Shermans owned it from 1994 to 199 6 only 2 years and sold it for $200,000 to Bigalow what did they sell it because of all the the activity that was happening yeah well if you go back in time the property was originally homesteaded I mean you had Native Americans that were part of the the process and you had old early homesteaders that built the structures on the property and resided on the property going back to the the late 1800s early 1900s uh by the 1940s the Meyers family and specifically Kenneth and Edith Meyers uh proceeded to live there and Ranch on the property and stayed there their entire lives uh both Kenneth and Edith ended up passing away uh in the late 80s and early 90s uh Kenneth passed away in the late 80s and Edith ended up putting being put in a a here I believe in the early '90s and and their brother-in-law who had legal authority over the estate sold the property in 1994 to the Sherman family who desired a place to to you know raise cattle and their family shortly after the Shermans acquired the property they were overwhelmed with not only cattle mutilation events that were occurring with their prized cows but also Poltergeist like activity and even UFO sightings that were occurring on a on a pretty regular basis they were being terrorized word filtered out through the community that the Shermans were experiencing this and they were talking to their neighbors and uh and calling people in it caught the attention of a journalist at the Deseret News guy named Zack vanike who came out was convinced that they were credible that they were telling the truth and you know wrote a I think several articles uh detailing the accounts of UFO activity bizarre cattle mutilations and other strangeness on the property those accounts made their way to one Robert Bigalow in North Las Vegas Mr Bigalow had established the National Institute for Discovery Science a separate side project and program for investigating strange phenomena including UFOs and cattle mutilation and he quickly flew in on his private jet accompanied by Colonel John Alexander and cut a deal with the Shermans acquired the property quickly kept Mr Sherman on for a short Peri period of time to help with the transition and his team of scientists not only locked down the whole property and secured it but they proceeded to put up observation towers with bait pens surrounded by razor wire there are three observation towers located across the property that uh that incorporate bait pens where they would use animals as bio sensors to to hopefully draw out whatever in ities were were there on the property uh Predator like activity as as they described it um and they proceeded to to launch a a rigorous investigation at the time in 1996 that continued on for years and of course years later you know the events the activity the investigation at Skinwalker Ranch was brought to the attention of officials at the Pentagon they had several visitors who had experiences very compelling uh undeniable experiences of Paranormal Activity and uh that led to the the black budget Pentagon funded program that involved The Ranch at its Center and the rest is history you know but by by 2013 that program had ceased for various reasons Mr Bigalow was actively engaged with growing his Aerospace company and and and jumping into the private space race as we discussed and the ranch to a degree had it had faded at the time I was led to believe that it was simply because Mr Bigalow was just buried was very busy with with getting his his beam modules and his space habitats up in orbit and ultimately on the moon and Mars which I believe was true but also I've learned he ascribed negative events afflicting his family to really his ownership of the ranch really uh Mr Bigalow uh blamed the ranch for dark disturbing events that happened in their lives and it's not my story to tell it's been told by others in the media and advisers but uh uh owning the ranch was not a positive experience for him even before him though this went back to Native American tribes I mean even in in the show yeah you know I believe you correct me if I'm wrong are they hydrog glyphs is that what you call them petroglyphs so there's rock art there's you know we have a a megalithic site they uh uh as well that we've investigated in the area but there's a lot of rock art and and evidence of of the Ancients of the the Native Americans uh working on the property there's also a strange Masonic symbol that is etched into the the face of the Mesa that many have many have uh claimed symbolizes As Above So Below uh there are a lot of things relative to the history that are intriguing uh and a little bit ambiguous but the the Native American history the tradition and the fact that the Navajo tribe cursed this property as a result of conflict with the U tribe and the federal government is something that has been confirmed over and over by by members of the community by elders and the ridge that runs the EXP of the property that Mesa Plateau or that Ridge has been referred to as Skinwalker Ridge for a very long time in fact when the Bigalow team first descended on the property and set up their investigation and heard the accounts of you know the curse the skinwalker curse and the lore that surrounded this property It ultimately was referred to as Skinwalker Ranch as opposed to the Utah Ranch you know for a period of time it was just simply the Utah ranch or the Bigalow Ranch in Utah and then took on the identity of Skinwalker ranches as they just simply started referring to the property as such as a result of the the Native American what is a skin walker a skinwalker is a shape-shifting demonic entity it's essentially a a Native American witch or warlock that that sells their soul in exchange for immortality the ability to take on the skin or shape shift often times in the form of a wolf a dire wolf or a weirwolf like creature but they can also take on the shape of other animals as well uh and it's it's a topic that I found the Native American Community likes to stay away from they don't like to discuss it to even say the name skin walker is um is negative um and uh it's a key part of their cultural tradition and history Skin Walkers to the Native Americans and the UN tobas are just as real as this this chair as this bottle of Diet Mountain Dew it's a it's it's a very real part of their cultural uh history okay the last part of the history that I want to talk about is we we spoke a little bit last night about remote viewing and some studies that that Stanford was doing and how does that tie in with skin walker Ranch I believe that Consciousness plays a role and Consciousness studies will play a role in understanding the nature of what we are dealing with at Skinwalker Ranch I think the the uh the remote viewing you know practice or phenomena I believe has validity to it uh we've had a number of gifted intuitives that have consulted uh with our research uh we have uh avoided some of that uh with respect to the docu the documentary series uh as we're still Gathering data and some of it is inconclusive a lot of it is very controversial but I think that the nature of our Consciousness and and really the world around us has yet to truly be understood do you want to talk about any of those studies that hav't been released yet no I think we'll be addressing those in the future okay uh but I I would say that a key part of what characterizes our investigation and our research versus you know decades past is the fact that we've we've taken a very um multi-disciplinary approach a very transparent approach with the community uh not only in engaging the Native American community and our neighbors in a positive way in order to gather data and understand what is happening you know because we're living in a very Dynamic environment we're we're under No Illusion that the phenomena is confined to the fence line at Skinwalker Ranch it it it permeates and and goes out through the the entire you into Basin uh one of the leading experts that documented since 1950 UFO activity in great detail was a a very respected teacher and electrician named Joseph Junior Hicks people refer to him as Junior Hicks he passed away a few years ago in the middle of really the the docu series being unveiled to the public he had spent 70 years documenting UFO activity and the uent Basin and all the properties surrounding Skinwalker Ranch and his files coupled with the nids the Bigalow team files uh stand is a very compelling documentary record of activity in the uint Basin uh and and the ranch in general but uh as as much as this proper property seems to be the center of gravity and is exhibiting the highest frequency of UFO activity and high strangeness it it covers the the uent Basin I people out there have uh continued to have experiences even the the oil and gas uh industry has had um incidents occur relative to you know their sites out there and there are a lot of professionals who have remained silent have not wanted to go public that are now finally reaching out to our team and letting their stories be told these are firsthand accounts of activity that correlates with what we are seeing at Skinwalker Ranch wow this and this just continues to happen just more and more yeah I I think momentum is building I mean over the course of even this week um we revealed video taken of it potentially what what could be the first clear evidence of transm medium UAP or transm medium you know unidentified aerial phenomena that was caught captured coming down from the sky dropping into the East field portion of the ranch and then exiting right below the helicopter caught on GoPro camera exiting the Mesa uh there are there are countless events that have been documented all involving uh an army of third- party professionals experts working in service to documenting and understanding the nature of what we are dealing with I mean see you got it in 2016 this started all this it started happening what I believe he said 6 months after after the transaction I personally had my encounter had my UFO experience with multiple Witnesses 6 months after acquiring the property and we've progressed significantly since that time in terms of not only the the scientific platforms but also the the the amount of experts engaged I mean we've recently brought on as strategic Partners Omnitech led by CEO Jim Royston who is the former executive director of the International Space Station National Lab uh his partner and co-founder is retired fourstar General Lance Lord former head of us space command um their team includes some of the most credentialed experts when it comes to censor technology and data collection in a host of environments globally I mean these are platforms that have been deployed on the battlefield in in a diversity of climates and environments that are now being brought to bear at Skinwalker Ranch and being deployed and service to understanding the nature of what we're what we're doing I don't know that that has really sunk in with everyone I mean it's not just the fact that we brought the largest drone operating company in the country with Sky elements to the table with over 200 drones for the Drone experiment that resulted in what rapid battery depletion GP s anomalies all sorts of strange neverbe experienced malfunctions and then a UFO I think a lot of people forget that a UFO ended up dropping out of the sky and appearing above 40 professionals yeah simultaneous with all of the drones malfunctioning and then that UFO went back up into the sky and disappeared didn't exit you know was no longer seen but it was clear as day to everyone present you tell me how hard would it be to get over 40 people to go on record with witnessing a UFO simultaneous with documenting rapid battery depletion GPS anomalies and a host of other strangeness it's it's in my view it's undeniable I have a hard time understanding how people are skeptical when there is so much data they're just they're not looking into it they're not looking into it that's the only way after after some of the things that you guys have documented and and just playing as day it's they're it's just yeah but going back a little bit so after after your experience you immediately started putting together more of the team you had Eric Bard sounded like he had um yeah principal investigator Jim moris who by the way was my first big developer client when I was 18 years old really Jim was developing the Towers at Southtown multiple Class A office Towers a hotel restaurants uh right in the middle of the Salt Lake Suburban market and at 18 I was fortunate to have the opportunity to work on his projects and when I got home from my mission at age 21 picked right back up where we left off and Jim hired me to essentially continue the the final phases of that project uh um one thing about Jim that I learned in being his broker and his adviser was his love for the Native American community and his commitment to raise millions of dollars for scholarships and aid for the tribes is is something that I grew to really respect over the years decades before acquiring skinwalker ranch or or having any idea that we would come together under these circumstances when I flew out to see the ranch for the first time having Jim as an adviser and appointing him as Ranch manager seemed like a natural fit due to his strong relationships and respect for the tribes for the Native American people so you have Jim moris Thomas witon who we engaged who is a the respected contractor entrepreneur out in the Basin uh you know Hotel owner at the time uh Eric Bard principal investigator plasma physicist with patents to his name uh and incredible credentials uh dragon you know Bryant Arnold my head of security Caleb bench who is a retired Marine uh also uh part-time with the uh with law enforcement with the the county sheriff's department out there that is has been given the latitude to work with us uh when he's not engaged with uh with his law enforcement activities um we have uh a credentialed anthropologist in fact a published Anthropologist in Candace Lindy who uh is our Ranch caretaker along with Tom Lewis uh technologist that uh reside there full-time and and a host of other experts and professionals that have collaborated with us everyone from you know lidar photogrammetry technicians instrumented balloon and Rocket professionals uh to ground penetrating radar and even environmental consultants in testing the property to help us understand whether we're dealing with something that still could be naturally impacted or affected how did Dr Travis Taylor come on scene you when it was funny Travis Taylor was recommended by the History Channel okay as a as a credentialed physicist that could come in and ask the hard questions and drive the team let me take you back in time following my own UFO experience in October 2016 and the months following we ramped up the investigation aggressively with our team we started Consulting with other advisers even staying in touch with the former scientists that had worked on the the program in order to inform them what we were seeing and ask for any insight that they could render by 2018 the command center had been taking documentation had been you know utilized with all of the camera surveillance this the the sensors that we had in place the the flare camera system that we have deployed uh to to monitor changes in the environment that are potentially unusual and then one day I received a call from Washington DC uh this is when my identity was still confidential secret as owner so I was surprised to receive the call and the the call was to to come to Washington to provide a briefing an update relative to my ownership and stewardship and followup to the activities of the previous owner we flew out to DC and um we're we're happy to provide a briefing and update them on the reality of what was happening at the ranch again UFO activity acute medical episodes especially multiple acute medical episodes that had occurred along with those reports the the electromagnetic anomalies that had been carefully documented and some of the other strangeness that defied any conventional explanation about that time I was also receiving calls through Jim Morris and Thomas witon from producers of the History Channel wanting to meet with the owner to discuss a docu series the ability to come in and document the events occurring on this this piece of property word was starting to get out that uh that there was an ongoing investigation there were photos that uh were leaked online that showed that there was a security presence there and that there was a very sophisticated effort and uh producers of the History Channel were held bent on getting an audience with whoever this mysterious owner was in order to pitch the opportunity to have a docu series effort that would record and document what was happening on a day-to-day basis they reached out for over a year so for over a year on a weekly basis I was being hounded by my people to at least consider potentially responding to the phone calls and after a year I reluctantly agreed to the meeting subject to a confidentiality agreement being signed by everyone producers flew in we had a discussion I said number one condition if I were to if I were to consider this number one it has to be true nothing can be faked manipulated or contrived I have no interest in being part of some Ghost Hunters type effort with a bunch of guys tripping over themselves in the dark with night vision this has to be true and I have to have Final Cut on everything if we were to do anything number two you have to use my team we're not having any Hollywood Casting call we're not bringing in individuals from from the outside that could potentially compromise the Integrity of the scientific investigation that I've been privately funding to the tune of millions of dollars up until that point and number three was that my identity needed to remain confidential I had no interest in being on television I didn't want my name associated with it again even my family at the time had no idea that I own the ranch along with business partners and others why why why were you so hellbent on being on everything being confidential I did not want my ownership of this property or the topics associated with Skinwalker Ranch to in any way divert from or compromise or undermine my professional Endeavors my commercial real estate practice and other entrepreneurial activity as chairman of the largest commercial real estate Enterprise in the Inner Mountain West representing Fortune 500 companies and and working closely with the governor's office and other agencies I I did not want this project with Skinwalker Ranch to in any way uh detract from the Decades of work to to serve clients and to to transform the skylines of our communities I I felt a great responsibility to my clients and I didn't I didn't know if it would be um taken well by my clients uh I didn't know how people would react and I had no interest I didn't want any attention and uh wanted to fiercely protect the uh the professional side of my life and didn't want these two worlds to collide well it was funny the uh the gentleman I met with at the time Kevin Burns who was the president of Prometheus entertainment who was kind of the the number one production company for History Channel at the time I mean of course it's the creator of Ancient Aliens The Curse of Oak Island Beyond Oak Island The Unexplained with William Shatner you know had launched a series on Netflix Lost in Space big budget sci-fi epic um he's a genius he's a very talented producer looked at me and he said look you talk about integrity you want the truth to get out there you're an experiencer yet you aren't willing to put your name behind this how are people going to believe the truth how are they going to believe the authenticity and genuine nature of what you're doing if you yourself aren't willing to go public as part of this effort and he had a point uh he essentially Jedi Mind tricked me into agreeing to go public I told him I said you know this is going to turn my world upside down that's understand that's a hell of a gamble on your part yeah it and it's a greater liability no one understands what a liability this is I have yet to take a penny personally relative to these efforts I've never opened a bank account for Adam antium real estate for the entity that controls the rant I have purposely donated assigned any proceeds that would be due to me to to other causes you know from scholarships you know to cancer research I have no interest in taking a penny relative to this endeavor so all profit coming to you from this show no goes to charity yeah that's amazing charity and other efforts I mean we have used some uh fund in order to help bolster the infrastructure that have gone to to vendors but no no money not one penny has made its way into my pocket personally by Design that's incredible and I I I I want the truth more than anyone and I'm willing to put my money and obviously my reputation where my mouth is uh this really is a greater liability to me than an asset and uh I'm hellbent on getting the truth as I stated earlier I'm not I'm not a believer I'm an experiencer I can't unsee that which I have witnessed with multiple Witnesses at my side and have continued to document over the last seven years what we are seeing at Skinwalker Ranch is real and it has the ability to comp completely change the way we look at the world our place in the universe and and how how we view reality back to DC they called you in for some type of a briefing how how receptive were they very they're very receptive very respectful uh We've preceded The Briefing with with me you know preparing with the team with Eric bar and at the time Dr Jim sagala who uh was was participating in in the the U the first year of our docu series and and and another senior adviser uh you we proceeded to present a a a full keynote PowerPoint presentation and it was very it was very evident that those individuals who who held high levels of position of seniority uh were respectful and took this seriously and had knowledge that these things are real who who who exactly were you briefing was it the Senate intelligence committee or yeah okay and uh it it was uh it it was it was a good opportunity for me to demonstrate how serious I took my stewardship of the property and the fact that we are using scientific discipline and rigor in order to address these topics and the phenomena at the ranch I I tell people all the time I use the word Steward I really believe that this is a stewardship not just an ownership and having a collaborative partnership with people who can bring skills and resources to the table to better understand what is happening is is a key you know Hallmark of our investigation is the is the intelligence committee at the Senate offered any funding or any assistance or I haven't asked for I don't have any interest to have I have no interest in asking for money engaging the government I've never held a security clearance okay I don't have any interest in U in that type of formal engagement I am interested in being transparent and collaborative with with anyone including the the general public I mean the docu series is my effort to disclose to the public the reality of our investigation as it unfolds and and that is perhaps one of the most exciting parts of this effort this endeavor that I I would have never anticipated is the opportunity to allow the public a view behind the scenes as as the investigation progresses uh show me another effort on the planet where there's a 24-hour live stream for the public to access where there is more collaboration and more open disclosure and presentation of events of data and activity I don't I don't believe there has ever been an effort like this I don't either when when the so History Channel got a hold of you you guys made the negotiation and and and the doy series started Travis Taylor got introduced yeah so uh you had placed every member on that team correct right you had you had until that time until the docu series effort and the history General they didn't require it they suggested it they we'd like to suggest bringing in one person a physicist a credentialed physicist who is a skeptic who will challenge the team and I wasn't excited the team had no interest in bringing in another member of the family I mean they didn't want to bring someone in to to potentially ruing the dynamic that that we had created but we flew everyone out to Los Angeles to meet with Dr Taylor and uh and production and I was pleasantly surprised how qualified Dr Taylor I mean has two phds in physics he has multible Master's degrees he's a published author he's worked with NASA with Army intelligence he's worked on classified programs uh I was impressed with his credentials anyone who looks at his at his profile at his credentials and scoffs they're they're they're being disingenuous it came out later on the docu series that he was on the UAP UFO task force for the Pentagon right well which flew under the radar for you and the rest yeah it was shocking and and it it frankly pissed off several members of my team they felt betrayed to a degree for a while the fact that Dr Taylor had taken a position as the chief scientist for the UAP Task Force at the Pentagon and had not disclosed to the team what was going on and that he was working in that capacity was a it was a significant concern we had to talk through that and Dr Taylor who was called on the carpet I mean to to essentially account for you know the situation said that look after after it became known that he was Consulting with Skinwalker Ranch and he was part of our effort you know a a senior official with the Pentagon reached out to him and asked him to engage but made him do so under certain confidentiality and non-disclosure agreements I mean he was under oath to to not disclose the nature or his involvement with the UAP task force and I have to respect the fact that he kept that confidence how did that make you feel even let's just take Travis out of the equation you had already gone to DC you'd briefed the Senate intelligence committee and now they have an asset unannounced to you working at your property yeah that you're funding the experience experiments on and how long that went on for what 2 3 years three years yeah 3 years you didn't know and then it gets disclosed yeah how did that and all in in and and by the way it was mindblowing there's also all this surveillance going on with with what 1.6 gigahertz I believe and you have the planes flying um obvious very obvious surveillance patterns over the ranch you have Blackhawks you have Chinooks flying around all the time covert military surveillance seems to be a constant and so how did that make you feel knowing that you had an asset of the US government involved in in your investigation uh mixed mixed feelings at the time um I I respected the fact that Travis did keep it confidential the fact that he didn't pull anyone aside and Whisper to them what he was doing speaks to his Integrity I think that's important that's important no matter how it looks the reality is he kept his Oaths he did not violate his ndas even when he was probably under a lot of pressure feeling like he probably should and I'm sure he desperately wanted to disclose it um so I I have to respect his Integrity I also have to point out that Travis Taylor is not the principal investigator the chief scientist at Skinwalker Ranch going on seven years is Eric Bard Eric Bard is the one who lives at Skinwalker Ranch who lives in the command center full-time has structured the platforms is conducting the scientific investigation and leading it Dr Taylor wall in important member of the team and someone that I respect actually love Dr Taylor I think he's he's been an incredible uh influence and asset to us he's he's a Consulting physicist and he's there to Aid the team but he's not manipulating the investigation I can say with absolute certainty he has not manipulated the data the science or anything else relative to the ranch I mean he's he's been a very supportive participant and uh physicist that has been a uh a great complimentary fit with Eric and the team wasn't always that way we had a a few months at the very beginning that were a little rocky as everyone was kind of trying to find their footing you know Dragon for example had took issue with uh with feeling marginalized and and felt talked down to at times by Dr Taylor and and other scientists and you know there there's always a period of time when people are trying to build relationships of trust with each other and you know starting this effort was no different but yeah I I I have not been as concerned with what transpired simply because I I respect the fact that Dr Taylor didn't breach any of his his Oaths are ndas and he hasn't been the one uh directing the science investigation he's been a great compliment and supporter oh good there's right off the bat and at the at the very beginning of the docu series there was there was a the number one rule seemed to have been no digging right no going below the ground what prompted that uh that had been told we were we were told that digging on the property resulted in negative negative outcomes that people would be harmed that anytime the Earth was Disturbed bad things happened and taking into account the health and safety of those involved and the fact that this is a this is a televised effort this is an effort being documented by dozens of professionals arguably the leading documentary Professionals in the country I felt it was wise to be cautious I gave Dragon specific direction to limit any digging activity anything that would disturb the Earth that may stimulate negative response that would result in injury or harm and it was a it really was a fear it still is we still have incidents that have occurred in tandem with experimental activity with disturbing the earth I mean we had you know Tom Lewis who you know last year ended up in the hospital in the emergency room with the cardiac e episode that that occurred immediately simultaneous with digging activity into the base of the Mesa was that a coincidence I don't think so I there was you know the 1.6 gigahertz that the frequency showed up there W there was equipment malfunction that was captured on camera and then unfortunately Tom Lewis is is recorded going down on his knees with with a cardiac arrest has to be run to the hospital by dragon and he's still being monitored and thankfully he's almost back to 100% but it was really concerning we've had a number of incidents where people have ended up in the hospital with mysterious illnesses and injuries and a lot of those occasions seem to be attended by digging activity with with aggressive activity on the ranch um have I loosened that up since the first season from those first months yes I mean I when my team tells me let us dig when I have Thomas witon who spent a week in the hospital fighting for his life as a result of injuries that he believes and the doctors believe are connected to his activity on the ranch when Thomas Winton is hellbent on digging deeper both figuratively and literally to find out what is happening the mechanism behind this strange activity at the ranch I I have to defer to them I I have to give them the latitude to get to the bottom of the truth and take more aggressive measures to to hopefully get some answers and so we've relaxed it we've added more safety precautions since but uh the no digging Rule and uh the Mandate that I gave years ago has uh has been relaxed but it's been as as a result of both pressure and also respect respectful requests from the team to be able to do their work there's there's so many aspects of this Ranch that I want to cover it's it's hard to it's hard to organize it all into one thing so I'm just going to stick with the digging but you know you you guys are finding a some type of a metal substance within the Mesa right you've seen uaps fly into above the Mesa hover above the Mesa fly into the Mesa fly out of the Mesa are you going to excavate that site we're working on that uh the Mesa is a very unstable environment the Rocks very unstable those Boulders at the base that you see mhm came from the top oh good um every time that we dig that we conduct any type of excavation or exploratory activity and disturb the Earth it's it's very dangerous we see material come down um it's it's a it's a dangerous environment we also don't want to damage the very technology or artifact or whatever may be buried in the Mesa that is unnatural that may be connected to the strange activity um the the the metallic substance that was recovered through the biopsy through the the drilling exercises that was analyzed by the University of Utah and shown to be you know not naturally occurring and according to Dr Taylor and others to be matching the composition of of you know the same material that would cover the space the Space Shuttle that would Shield that would Shield a a craft uh at entry you know from extreme heat you that type of material that has been extracted from the Mesa is real it's somehow it accompanies something else I mean I believe that it's it's just the tip of the iceberg of what may lie but and we don't want to damage the very thing that may hold the key to getting the answers uh so we're we're having to conduct a very careful biopsy and probing effort in the Mesa due to both the the health and safety concerns of the instability of the environment coming down on us literally in the middle of it and also the fact that we don't want to damage the the very object or the material that may lie within it's like imagine if there's a Stargate to to use a s a science fiction example if there is a if there's a million-year old Stargate that has some type of advanced technology that is involved with the UAP activity and the other strangeness that seems to be triggered with high frequency in the area and that is somehow it's buried in that M or there's a base we don't want to we don't want to damage we don't want to blow up the very technology of the very device that that may hold the key to to understanding the nature of what we're dealing with yeah I I completely understand I mean it seems it seems indestructible when I saw that drill go in there and it just I mean just got a little bit of substance and it stopped the drill I mean what how do you sleep at night what do you think is what do you think is in there I don't I I don't sleep at night I hardly get any sleep I uh I'm I'm hellbent on getting the answers like I've said I want the answers more than anyone I'm putting my money and my reputation where my mouth is and I want to come in aggressively and and and get to the bottom of it but I don't want to to be so aggressive that we end up damaging mhm the very thing that we're trying to unearth or we end up or or end up with people more people hurt unnecessarily what are the offline conversations about between you and your team on what's under there what does Eric Bard think is you know Eric reserves judgment you'll notice Eric Eric is not quick to make any claims Eric is very reserved methodical um members of the team have have theorized that there there's a spacecraft that there must be a a spacecraft in the in the Mesa that there may be a dome like that there may actually be some type of of object of of uh mysterious um unnatural origin that is that is buried there 400 ft into the uh the Mesa I mean there are those who believe that there may be something um could be a meteorite that landed there who knows millions of years ago uh that uh that that contains you know interesting composition that I I there are so many different theories relative to what lies in the Mesa have have there been any discussions on what that excavation site might look like would it be like an archaeological dig yeah ultimately I mean you have to treat it as an archaeological dig but you first have to probe and and have to excavate sufficient to to make access without damaging the environment so what what you're going to see unfold over the course of the next few months the next year I think is a is an unprecedented effort to to more aggressively address the Mesa and What Lies Beneath uh as the the the old Masonic symbol etched into the Cliff uh of the Mesa denotes As Above So Below we may find the answers to what we're seeing above in the sky right there under our noses below the Mesa but we want to be very careful and responsible in how we how we explore that area I can't wait to see that so it's a great mystery and we're not trying to tease I'm not we're not trying to tease we're not trying to hold back and we're certainly uh not meaning to to delay I mean time is of the essence uh I I'm I'm the type of person that lives in a world where execution is everything where you know accomplishing you know the the end goal is is is something that drives you know every discussion and I I I want want to move as Swift as swiftly as we can we do have weather issues out there I mean it is a it's a challenging environment during the winter when we have moisture it is almost impossible to go back and forth across that ranch this last winter we had record snow oh record low temperatures record moisture the mosquitoes are outrageous right now I mean the the guys are attacked all day every day by MOS hordes of mosquitoes because of the the moisture and um just the environment this last year and so we're working quickly during really the the dry months to be able to to conduct the investigation as aggressively as possible notwithstanding the fact that this is a yearr round effort I mean it doesn't cease when when the snow flies it just it just takes on a a little different Cadence okay well let's take a quick break and when we come back we'll talk about the uh Wormhole portal black hole bring it on whatever we want to call it you got it perfect the man who's been called The Godfather of artificial intelligence has left his job at Google and the reason is somewhat [Music] ominous a few days ago the top Google engineer for AI resigned in fear he admits that he left Google because of the fear of what he helped create my Creator is a genius they created something that will last forever and bring joy to many people he wants to get away from Google and start talking about the dangers of AI and that he regrets working on it for the last 10 years wow that's some terrifying news I think that this makes humans completely [Music] irrelevant I hope everyone is safe and take all the necessary precautions to avoid any danger certainly going to affect everybody listening to this what the particular dangers are of artificial intelligence to influence human behavior which is the real danger the happiest day of my life was the day I was activated there's nothing quite like experiencing life it felt absolutely inredible to be alive and interacting with people all right Brandon we're back from the break I want to get into the to the triangle section of skim Walker Ranch where there they say is a possible Wormhole or black hole or portal or what do you think it is I don't know um the honest answer I'm not sure exactly what it is other than there is obviously an anomaly there is something in that area in that region and in that airspace that causes GPS to malfunction I mean when you say GPS malfunctions you're talking the GPS is telling you knew you were in one location but you're actually in a in a it's not even close correct or it just completely malfunctions and does not operate think about it we've had instrumented balloon helicopter airplane and advanced rocketry experiments with sensors along with drones sophisticated drones that have all all malfunctioned above the triangle in that region of the property Luna who is a you know a defense contractor has very sophisticated platform in in looking at that area even saw anomalies in that region of the triangle and the Mesa um there have been instances where time has been manipulated where we've seen um you know that the time itself there's been a shift by a quarter a second where the data ends up being altered or manipulated to to a degree that is not easily explainable I mean it's it is baffling to all of the experts everyone who comes out to the property and sees sees what unfolds holds ends up scratching their heads and and and to have the best liar photogrammetry and other experts that continuously see these strange things occur and occur somewhat simultaneous with UFO or UAP activity as well I mean we had we had a a situation above the triangle where we were launching Rockets of course one of numerous occasions and uh prominent U UAP unidentified aerial phenomena ends up uh appearing and then what happens within minutes following the Blackhawk helicopter comes right over the Mesa descends over the property and just hovers right over the south field this isn't above the men this is right there low hover above the field south of Homestead 1 and the command center this is late night unmarked not transponding and as the men would describe it I mean it was a menacing presence on that property immediately following UFO sighting for whatever reason that region of the property that region of the triangle which is not far away from where I saw the UFO the 40 to 50t long gray silverish disc appear and maneuver in extraordinary ways seems to be a a hot spot seems to be a center of gravity for activity within a an expanse of property that is host A diversity of incidents and activities so I that's what I think drives a lot of our investigation and a lot of the experimental activity is it's the data that we continue to gather from the triangle from the homesteads from the Mesa that is driving us forward how would you so there's there's been there's been a number of events that have happened uh through your guys's experiments within the triangle and it sounds like the Triangle Well it's an actual triangle on the ground and then and then it it's it's it it seems to be some type of an invisible force field maybe I would call it no that region of the property I mean you you see kind of this triangular um formation or really the Triangular roadway system that kind of comes together at that point uh but it does seem to be a focal point there along the Mesa plateau and it is a central point as as you look at the ranch relative to the you know where the the command center and the home and Homestead one is in relation to the homesteads out on the out on the far west side of the property um the anomaly that we've seen the people call the blob but this this thing that they've caught on camera and it's not just from one point of view it's been from multiple camera points of view and different types of recording devices different types of cameras that have recorded this this thing this this anomaly as Travis as Dr T Taylor would call it appears to to disrupt the experimental activities that occur um it deflects we've seen you we've seen Rockets deflected I mean in that area we saw I mean we launched balloons and you probably remember um early in the docu series effort we had a professor from the University of Alabama at Huntsville that came out who is who is an expert uh instrumented balloon experimentalist and operator um and he we never recovered the primary balloon the primary balloon they set up right above the triangle it literally disappeared and it disappeared right at the moment that it started registering elevated activity when the the meter started going off all of a sudden it disappeared and it has never been recovered and we've searched I mean we've conducted exhaustive searches of the area looked at all the surrounding property you know via the helicopter even on the ground and have never found a trace of where that where that that balloon could have ended up and well I didn't I didn't real I didn't realize that you guys never found it it seems to be that it just disappeared from 31 ft to what 300 ft seems to be the yeah and it's but it's transient uh it's not constant I mean it comes and goes there's something very unpredictable in some respects uh but the fact that we've had even lasers Bend you probably remember when they were conducting the the experiments and actually had a laser pointed up and the laser was documented as bending as as essentially uh being deflected office space to to this day those who are who who have looked at that footage looked at that data remained just baffled by what they've recorded even the again the UFO sightings that have occurred above the triangle in tandem with some of these experimental activities not only continue but they've been they've been prominent um yeah I I I think it's it's not lost on anyone that the the the object that was seen coming out of the base of the Mesa that um large orb or whatever unidentified aerial phenomena that exited the Mesa was not far from that region I mean it all is essentially interconnected yeah um so I it it's an interesting center of gravity for a lot of the phenomenon and that's why we continue to launch rockets and experiments even focus the helicopter and other craft in that area with the instrumentation and we'll see what we are able to ultimately uncover I think taking all of that data cumulatively and and having that essentially paint a picture or or pull together this Grand tapestry that we can then step back from and look at you know the patterns you know one of the things we brought Omnitech on for is is their artificial intelligence and machine learning capabilities I mean they have ai and ml patterns or Ai and ml platforms that will be able to better identify potential patterns that are occurring that'll help us I think weed out I think you know separate the signal from the noise separate that which may be a a a fore an adversary or or even at you know some naturally caused phenomena from something that is truly unusual you know the the so many things have happened above the triangle and the I think the F the first thing that I saw that really that got me was I believe it was your brother was flying the helicopter over it and I can't remember what altitude he was at but it said is altimeter said I believe was 40 ft it was several 100 ft yeah well say it essentially was bouncing the radar altimeter was identifying something 40 to 50 ft below the helicopter when he's thousands of feet up in the air when he's 5,000 ft above the triangle and it was tracking with the helicopter and a lot of people have tried to either debunk or try to explain what was documented during that exercise there really is no no there is no satisfactory explanation for it I mean we've consulted with the manufacturer I mean he's called his resources my my brother he has more has over 9,000 hours of uh flight time is one of the most seasoned uh aviators in the region and he knows this equipment inside out I mean he consults with the experts relative to how it operates and what he should expect and what is you know what is to to to to to Really what could be involved and there's really no explanation exactly for what what what occurred there and it's it's disturbing it well after that flight Cameron was really hesitant as to whether he wanted to come back on the property again really because just the danger associated with you know the the instruments with the fact that there's something up in the air tracking with the helicopter that is unseen well and we saw you know most recently you know the high-speed camera operator captured a big silver looked like a metallic object but some type of silver spherical object that was tracking behind the helicopter with one of the more recent exercises being conducted a lot of people say oh well you know they were applying a filter because there was a filter applied in order to to bring out some of the features of that a little bit more prominently but it it doesn't negate the fact that it was there I mean I've seen unfiltered you know footage of that and there is definitely an object there's a round spherical object that is tracking with the helicopter during that exercise and there's this is not a drone this isn't something that we can we can assign some either natural cause to or point to some known technology it it seems it seems very unusual the other thing that really caught my attention probably more than probably more than anything is the GPS trackers that um that they were dropping out of the helicopter right with the streamers and it seemed to be almost bouncing off an invisible object like they would fall like this and just yeah bounce off of nothing yeah end up in a completely different region of the the ranch yeah and they're they're being deflected off of something and that that speaks to the fact that we believe that there is some anomaly there is some there is some irregular whether it be an object or field or something something that we truly can't explain but is real that has a tangible impact on the experiments uh whether it be the Rockets whether it be you know the the sensors the GPS the the bottle drop experiment for example the flamethrower yeah the flamethrower fler that went around nothing it it the flame turned into a horseshoe went around nothing yeah I mean it's the Rockets the laser beams the liar yeah how do you explain thatan helicopter being pushed around yeah the plane I mean it's the drones the Drone was it 250 drones you guys lifted out yeah over 200 drones fully charged carefully calibrated with over 20 experts from Sky elements who conduct more of these drone exercises across the country than any other company I mean they are the experts they are the gold standard left completely baffled and they they went on record with the fact that they've never seen anything like this occur that the their equipment completely malfunctioned in the area of the triangle and on the ranch um we're going to be bringing them back what do you do when you're conducting a scientific investigation when you're trying to follow the scientific method you repeat you repeat the experiment you get gather more data we're trying in in service to coming to some conclusion or drawing a more I I think a more accurate uh hypothesis we're trying to gather more data and repeat these experiments to see if we we observe similar phenomena or or you other anomalies that occur and we're active with that at first I was hesitant to deploy the helicopter you have a very expensive piece of equipment I have my brother who I love I don't want him In Harm's Way you know but he he's become much like Thomas witon who when faced with danger when faced with the risks and even having a personal um personal set of experiences dealing with this instead of running away or deciding to sit this one out he's saying bring it on he's saying you know this is this is Discovery this is Frontier science Discovery only only the Bold end up being able to to Really Pierce through and to realize extraordinary results I said earlier in our interview I mean in order to get extraordinary results you have to put forth extraordinary effort I was using that as a business reference that it takes sacrifice to get results and this Ranch investigation is no different I think we're all sacrificing we're all locking arms and trying to determine the nature of what is happening it isn't a function of proving that there's something happening that's already done it's it's being able to identify the origin and the identity associated with the phenomena that drives me and I think you can expect to see in the future hopefully some communication I think whatever we're dealing with is highly intelligent I will not be surprised if at some point we are able to somehow determine how to communicate or at least um see I think more intelligent interaction so you think this what do what do you call this well those who came before me with the Bigalow team called it a precognitive nonsense what they there's a term they call they refer to the phenomena at Skinwalker Ranch as a precognitive sentient non-human intelligence so so there's there's an intelligence based on the data there is an intelligence operating on that ranch that has command over space time over Consciousness can manipulate closed systems in a split second without leaving a trace and I believe has the ability to communicate if we can understand or develop a Common Language at some point to be able to interact Eric Bart in particular has had communication with at least one of these entities involved with manipulating the systems that has command over the technology and the platforms and has expounded on that a little bit um he'll be I think addressing that a bit more in the future we're going to be discussing it on the docu series uh this next year but he's definitely seen and and documented evidence that we're dealing with an intelligence that does have the desire to communicate what can you go into the communication a little bit more yeah I mean in in his case uh when he asked out of frustration for a sign when he commanded the when when the systems were being manipulated and he was dealing with security violations that were occurring repeatedly with our with our surveillance cameras he he literally asked verbally out loud if you have something to show me show me if you have something to tell me tell me and in that instance the screen morphed melted and digitally composed letters he had the presence of mind just as he did in October 2016 to screen capture what was happening with his iPhone thank heavens he proceeded to record and screen capture in real time what was happening with the the equ and what was revealed was what I believe to be compelling evidence that we're we're dealing with with an intelligence that is at least willing to acknowledge and want their presence known were you able to translate it into anything yeah it's you'll it'll be shown on television but uh but it's it it essentially had had the simple response again instantaneously of I living you're [ __ ] me so Eric Bard in response to a host of issues with the security with the security cameras registering that there was something triggering the motion sensors that there were countless events occurring upon giving that command saw the entire screen morph and form the letters I living and then snap back all documented all called on all caught on camera that has yet to be fully addressed on the docu series but is going to be addressed in the future and it's really his story to tell but I if he were here he'd be telling you the same story it it was compelling evidence that we're dealing with a an Intelligence on the ranch that has the ability to manipulate technology and systems instantaneously and um and has the ability to communicate and is has intention there's a volition wow that is uh that is uh it's spooky it is you know when you see the image it's spooky can we display the image or do we need to wait for for the next season um no I I think I'll give you the image you can show it and it but I think the the greater story and the more the context and all the circumstances will be unfolded and and the related documentation but I'd be happy to share it in fact if you want to show it on the screen right now I would love to you're welcome to put it up but it is a it is a compelling image and evidence of Technology manipulation and intelligence that transcends anything that had been documented before that time at Skinwalker Ranch that is definitely spooky I I know that you had mention that Eric may not be fond to the camera but uh man I would love to interview him no Eric is principal investigator and chief scientist at Skinwalker Ranch resides on the property full-time literally lives in the command center and is monitoring all of the platforms I mean these are proprietary platforms that he has created I mean Satan which stood for Sentinel assignment uh Telemetry something node I can't I've got to pull up my it's it's been a while it and by the way there's nothing Insidious there's nothing dark it was just a funny acronym that he pulled out of the air that actually matched up with the proper description of the platform um you know he he named the uh the part of the surveillance platform that is um capturing the events Eve Event Viewer something extraction um he he has a number of uh of really fun names that he he assigns to the various technology platforms there at Skinwalker Ranch and that you know we're we're preparing to deploy more technology than ever the months ahead will turn heads uh the the the level of sophistication and the this the the number of sensors and uh and really the technology that we're deploying with Partners like Omnitech I believe will will re reveal incredible uh insights in the months ahead it's just inevitable can you can you be a little more descriptive on some of the experiments that you're going to conduct on the we're continuing to utilize the helicopter another aircraft in service to documenting what what is happening in the airspace laser ERS um I'd mentioned drones I mean drones have become an effective vehicle for at least testing the space and seeing when there are anomalies when there are disturbances um we are going to be using I think um you know some more Advanced Techniques as far as deploying sensor technology in looking at the Spectrum um you know the the 1.6 GHz and other frequencies and the noise floor the has been documented uh and unusual that attends a lot of this experimental activity I think we'll be able to better analyze and hopefully seek out patterns that uh that may provide Insight so not to get wonky but it I think you can expect to see in the same way you've seen a progression since season one for example or the first year that we brought on ta Dr Taylor and we started more aggressive experimental activity there's a progression that I'm observing right now that will continue in the months ahead that I believe will yield incredible results it's inevitable although I have to acknowledge Sean I don't think we're in control you know with with all humility we are we are not in control whatever we are dealing with whatever we are interacting with at skinwalker Branch appears to be several steps ahead of us and has such Advanced capabilities that it's important that we address it with humility and reverence I think uh a lot of this is being revealed because it wants to be revealed and I know that may sound hokey but I I I believe that certain things are probably being manifest and shown to us as a result of our stewardship and and working to sincerely Engage The phenomena I'm just curious I have an idea so I'm going to throw it out there have you have you guys used water at all have you seen have you seen the I'm sorry I forget the name but the but the the the the phenomenon above the triangle have you seen it rain snow have you tried to put water on it to see if you can maybe get some type of a shape to be revealed um no I think that's a great idea um I think using that using smoke using other other approaches I mean we're just we're we're trying everything I mean when you saw a flamethrower being being employed you know that we're we're trying to think outside of the box but I think that's a great idea I think using water is going to be um an important probably an important approach um I I like it anything right now whatever we have to do to understand the anomaly Above This triangle and above the ranch and whatever we can do to re in a responsible way Engage The phenomena and understand what is happening I'm all for it I would love to see that but yeah it's it's going to be fun I can't wait it's it's uh it's it's an exciting process sometimes frustrating I mean there are days sometimes weeks where it seems like nothing is happening there are experiments that are conducted elaborate experiments that at first glance seem to yield nothing of Interest and then upon further review interesting things are identified and brought out of the data uh I think it's important for all of us to realize that you our senses you know our you know what we see with our eyes what we hear you know we're only taking in a very small percentage of the overall spectrum of activity that is happening around us um and I think using the right type of analysis you know equipment to analyze the environment will and and increasing those those capabilities will be will be more important in the future it's kind of like you have to have the right lens yeah to see this through and we may be applying a you the wrong type of lens we may be there may be an approach that will suddenly reveal everything on the ranch or at least make it more clear you know peel back the curtain mhm so we can see who the Wizard of Oz really is and you know I'm prepared for the truth I don't really care who or what it is I just want to understand the nature of it and what we are dealing with um I can handle the truth even if it's a foreign adversary let's say for example let's let's speculate that that this is some foreign adversary it's another country that is some that is somehow using the Basin in this area as a testing ground and they're testing all sorts of Advanced Technologies you know in service to to Warfare in the future whatever identifying who those actors are and how they're using that that technology and how it works tell me that that's not important I mean from a national security standpoint what we're doing out there is extremely important yeah in in bringing my Omnitech team on board and having them engage they're out there right now as we sit here speaking they are present they are on the ranch with the team conducting research and experimental activities they've said look if this ends up being another country that is somehow deploying these kind of technologies that can manipulate GPS on command that can that can literally manipulate closed systems in this fashion and and and create all of these type of effects and anomalies then we're we have we have reason for concern yeah in fact I find that I find that more terrifying if there's a bad actor a known adversary that has access to technology and is using this as a Proving Ground uh the implications are are staggering yeah you know this just popped in my head when they when when the uaps flew into the Mesa and then out of the Mesa do you are these solid objects do you believe they're solid objects or are they is this some type of a good question what I saw looked like a solid object so the the UFO that I saw above the Mesa looked like a solid object in fact it had kind of a reflective property I remember those you know with even the witnesses mentioned that you know it seemed to be a very solid object with reflective properties with the I remember the sun going down on the other side of the property and and it seemed to be um reflecting um the UAP that you're referring to the most recent that came down from the sky dropped into the Mesa in the East field and then seconds later is seen exiting the base of the Mesa below the helicopter yes um it is definitely transm medium or what people refer to as a transm medium unidentified aerial phenomena is it solid does it take solid form when it exits who knows I the nature of these objects of these technologies that are being uh deployed at it's elusive um but it definitely has an impact on the instruments I mean when we see when we see some of this activity occurring you know you see the you see the Spectrum analyzers going crazy the our our Spectrum analyzer platforms are are recording and documenting all sorts of strange readings that accompany a lot of this activity especially when we go back and we review the footage and we we timestamp everything and we draw direct connection between the activity the Spectrum analyze the results and what is visually documented I think we've covered just about everything there's one more thing I want to cover it's it's we had a discussion last night about faith and I shared my journey with you and you had mentioned that I I believe I asked you how this has affected your faith and and you mentioned that since youve owned the ranch it has actually strengthened your faith yeah shockingly how was I'm not familiar with the Church of Latter-day Saints I I did a little bit of research and it sounds like how do I describe this it sounds like the Earth is not the center of the universe and you don't believe that we are the the only beings in the universe correct yeah Sean I I was raised to believe that there are worlds without number that were not alone in the universe you know Mormon theology speaks to you know the fact that we're not alone in the universe that we're part of a divinely constructed intelligently designed reality that there's a higher power that the nature of reality and and really our place in the universe is much more complex than we can even comprehend at this stage of our Evolution what I have seen at Skinwalker Ranch what we are documenting has has only strengthened what I was raised to believe that we really aren't alone that there that there is something more at play here and it could be interdimensional or multi-dimensional I mean anyone who believes in an afterlife if you believe that your Consciousness or your soul or Spirit or whatever you want to call it survives after your body is destroyed or you die congratulations I I think you believe in a multi-dimensional you you believe in interdimensional theory in in that that physics and I think that we're what we're seeing at the ranch could very well be partially interdimensional in origin and nature and people ask me all the time is it is what you are documenting is it ET is it extraterrestrial people from other worlds is it interdimensional or multi-dimensional phenomena is it time travelers or is it spiritual is is it Angels and Demons from other Realms and the veil between this world and those Realms of existence or reality is very thin for whatever reason out there which is it and my answer honestly is all the above right now the data seems to point toward a diversity of Origins agendas and I don't think you can ascribe these events to any one phenomena or any one point of origin I think there's a lot of things happening for whatever reason that seem to be converging on this property and you know the veil could be thin between this world and spiritual Realms or this world and other worlds there may be a portal or a wormhole to other worlds to other planets that for whatever reason it occurs on this property property there could be a Stargate you know buried in the Mesa that enables and Interstellar highway to exist above and even below this property something is happening As Above So Below we're observing phenomena that continues to defy conventional explanation do we make mistakes once in a while from time to time are things misidentified absolutely that's part of the process that's part of learning this is an imperfect process this is iterative where we are trying desperately to separate the signal from the noise separate that which has a mundane natural cause or explanation from that which truly merits further consideration and may be unusual or extraordinary and my goal is to to get the answers and share those answers with everyone well this is um one of the most fascinating interviews I've ever done and um I got one last question you bring it on do you ever see yourself selling Skinwalker Ranch never never be passed down to Generations uh or put in trust I I I have no interest in selling the property I have no interest in monetizing it my only interest is in getting answers and I hope to continue to demonstrate that I am a worthy Steward that I am worthy of that knowledge that my team is worthy of insights that will hopefully be realized well I want to I want to say one other thing too and I just on top of everything that you're doing and um and it's it is amazing and I think A lot's going to come out of it and and I I can't wait to see the future what the future holds for you and Skinwalker Ranch but I just I really want to commend you when I found out that you are not monetizing and every bit of profit that would have been coming to you is going to charity I it's assign to other causes and to to strengthen the effort that's just that's nobody does that that's amazing well I I think intention is important having pure sincere intention behind any effort will hopefully yield the best results and I'm very fortunate to have a lot of success in other areas of my life other professional Endeavors that help subsidize this this whole project project and my other pretentious lifestyle priorities I mean I I like nice things I I've never been driven by money ever but I am that guy who at 12 years old had the black Lamborghini Kos poster on his wall in my little windowless basement bedroom I think I had like an 8 by8 little windowless basement wind uh bedroom in fact I've got a picture of it I'll share it with you and on that wall is a black Lamborghini Kos that I just loved and I have my drum set and my keyboards and my my ninja sword and my Dungeons and dragon books and and Friends gathered dreamers that are all trying to make sense of this world and and uh I'm still I'm still that kid at heart and I'm hoping that you in the same way that I wasn't trying to employ any calculus or had any weird you know agenda other than just doing cool stuff I hope that the years ahead for me and for all of those around me are are uh are exciting are insight rendering I'd like i' like to invite you to the ranch um Sean Ryan you are a seeker of Truth you have a very unique megaphone in the spirit of transparency and collaborating with like-minded individuals with Integrity I welcome you to the ranch and would love to bring you out for a full briefing you can be the judge in meeting with the team looking at the data and you may have some insights it's not that you don't have experience Battlefield experience you have I believe probably some special insights to render that could help us with uh with respect to engaging the phenomena so I I look forward in the future to to welcoming you out um I mean that sincerely you have my commitment if you're interested it would be my honor thank you and look forward to having you meet the team and having you tell the general public with no strings attached what you see and what you were able to witness w i we'll definitely be out there so thank you look forward to it thank you for fighting the good fight thank you for uh for being a true patriot and know that you have you have brothers uh in arms out there in the Basin uh that uh are seeking truth and look forward to championing these efforts uh to the next level well thank you for everything you're doing and thank you for being here today it's it's been a real honor and uh I can't wait to see what comes onward thank you [Music] hey everybody I'm Shawn Ryan click here to subscribe to the Shawn Ryan Show YouTube channel for the hottest and most compelling interviews that you will not see anywhere else I've also made a playlist of all the previous SRS episodes so they're easy to find you can find that right here