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Effective Trading Strategies and Psychology

from a verified Trader with almost a decade experience in the market so I am essentially a directional Trader I am trying to get in on a trend I use trend lines as a tool when I get the indication that we are getting a trend reversal I'll get in on that Trend when that trend is over I'll get out consider getting into a new position and then rinse and repeat so I'm just essentially following the price introducing Tory trades a verify Trader who's made hundreds of thousands of dollars from the markets and in fact in the last year placing only six swing trades to hit that six figure profit Mark I don't go lower in time frame to look for an entry I will always go higher though when I did try to look for confirmations in lower time frames and then go back to the 4 Hour it was getting messy so when I found I could stay in the 4-Hour time frame that's as low as I'm going but if I need additional confirmation in the daily and the weekly and the monthly just looking overall Trends that's where I'll draw my trend lines so when I'm trading something new I will for new Traders you got to have a constant because if you're going to change time frame strategies and you've got too many variables you're not going to be able to see what needs to be modified this year if we're being totally honest was very easy I wasn't second guessing entries to be honest I slacked you started off with what balance 110 almost doubling an account when it comes to navigating the market you've been doing it for a decade and you have transitioned your style all the time now looking at the way you trade have you found your final form or is there certain things that you're still interested in learning that's an interesting one for ladies and gents welcome back to another episode I'm joined by a very special guest uh our first female guest and Tori thank you very much much for flying all the way from the US to be here in Dubai obviously we have the FX Summit going on and a lot of cool activities but I want to jump right in and we've obviously heard your life story and and what makes you you on other shows so I wanted to make today a little bit different I want to jump right into strategy technicals because I think when people watch they want I want to give them something they can drag and drop they can take and apply to the Marcus the next trading session so in pursuit of that I want to start off with can you just summarize your strategy in a concise way so we got a feel for exactly how you trade yeah so I am essentially a directional Trader I am trying to get in on a trend I use trend lines as a tool and when I get the indication that we are getting a trend reversal I'll get in on that Trend and when that trend is over I'll get out consider getting into a new position and then rinse and repeat so I'm just essentially following the price there's a few things I want to ask cuz trend lines is obviously a very well established thought and and a lot of Traders utilize it uh and me too in my early days obviously it's a very normal thing for people to start off with trend lines there's a few things that I couldn't quite manage when it came to trend lines number one was the degree of subjectivity you can have where trend lines became more like Trend zones where it wasn't exact science it was more depending on which dots you connected and how you connected them you would get a slight degree of different angulation how can you go from someone that could get a Zone and draw five equivalent trend lines versus a specific Zone what is your approach to actually getting an accurate trend line that was beautifully said that is exactly so I try to be as far away from as precise as possible I don't use the magnet tool you know on trading view where it snaps it right on the very low of the wick um I try to make my trend lines as thick as possible four pixels um they are subjective which is what I love um it is you know it's never to the to the te to the scent I I truly just try to give it that kind of room I call it wiggle room interesting so the the people that use trend lines and do the wick to Wick connecting the dots that usually because not every Wick is perfect you end up with having like three or four trend lines which is what I experienced do you think therefore that Wick towi connection is a mistake in how to use trend lines um I like to use the Wicks so when I first learned how to trade I actually traded with the bar chart so we didn't really have I didn't know what a candle was um I didn't know what a wick was or a body so I would use just purely the movement of the price so I didn't know the difference between a body and a wick so I continued to utilize that when I did move to the Candlestick chart when I started off in trading in general I think you have to learn to be a Trader like you learn to ride a bike where you you can't just ride the two wheel bikee you got to start off with the training wheels get used to that and then take them off and the analogy I give for that training wheels is something like indicators where they are there to support you the indicators are lagging so they're not really telling you anything new they're just helping you read price action when you're not fully able to read it so the indicator gives you a general line let's say similar to Market structure it's giving you a trend but again it's not a full exact science support and resistance again can be zones not an exact science so all of these things including trend lines I utilized it to support me to to an extent and then once I got a hang of things I actually transitioned away and the reason I did that is because number one a trend line let's say you have a bearish market when you're connecting the dots of the the highs you have now a trend and you're forecasting somewhere in here the next rejection could be but usually that trend line is reflecting Market structure you got lower highs and lower lows and so forth do you feel like trend lines gives you an extra layer of confirmation or a extra way to view the market that a point of Interest Trader or a market structure Trader maybe is missing out on I would say I looking for as many confirmations as possible is is helpful so not only just the trend line or the break of the trend line I am also throwing on support and resistance if I can get double confirmation amazing and I even have like this entry criteria that I look for even just the trend line specifically how much data is behind it has it been trending for 3 Days 3 weeks three months um how many touch points does it have so there's a lot of criteria that comes into it not just specifically throwing a line on a chart and being like okay now I'm feeling confident that we have a break it needs to check X Y and Z or check these boxes have you explored the data or just your general assessment that obviously a trend line can have at times one two Touches at times you will see a trend line it's not the normal case but might have seven eight touches so there's a there's there's anomali where it's like two touches and there's also 11 touches we found a trend line where it's like the third touch maybe is the the most probable or X touches usually the best bet and there's a Decay the more touches it has or is it usually the more touches the better and you improve the Zone based on additional touches it's going to be I mean I love that truly you sound like a trend line Trader yourself oh my gosh I haven't had a conversation like this with someone in so long told you today toor I want to take a technical oh my God each oh yeah okay I'm into it so I I have found with Plum specifically so that's what I've been trading mostly this year platinum and crude oil so I've narrowed it down to two instruments Platinum you get seven touch points five touch points on a regular basis truly respects 4our time frame interesting okay it is incredibly respectful to trend lines where crude oil you get two touch points then you get a fake out you get you get three touch points you get a fake out or you get two touch points then you've got the actual Trend reversal but I would say I don't have enough data for the 4H hour time frame to be like CU I've only placed less than 20 trades this year to be like okay out of the five touchpoint trades five touchpoint trend line breaks versus the two or the three which one is the best I don't think I have enough data but from my lower time frames that I used to trade on the 1 hour the 5 minute the three touch Point Break just seemed to be like that golden Zone Third One mhm I wanted to follow on with that let's say you found one that was let's say the third for example is a let's say more probable one and there is the less probable ones let's say a second or a fourth just to put an example would you still trade them equally if you had these additional confluences that you mentioned meaning to say the touch of the trend line is a point but it's not enough it's the additional things what are those additional things that takes you from a zone of interest to I'm getting in it's going to be so I've taken this year a lot of two touch point breaks um but they also met all the criteria um and there's also a level of intuition that comes into play like if I get the break of a two touch Point trend line no that's not A+ but maybe Platinum you know all year has been Above This level and it's just it seems as though I'm saying it may not sound very articulate or educated but it seems as though the price of platinum wants to gravitate you know Above This level so maybe I get a break of a downward trend line that only has two touch points and I'm still more inclined to take it because maybe I have a long bias this year so there's going to be times where I do take the two touch Point Break but if I've got double confirmation if it's also crossed you know support and resistance um if it's been maybe it's only got two touch points but it's been trending in this direction for two weeks I'd still be plan to take that so I just I I want more confidence and Confirmation and maybe just like a two touch Point Break versus if it's a three or even more I don't need the additional confirmation like that's that's the confirmation and and the confirmations that you do have are they like rejection patterns a head and shoulder and so forth or is it Candlestick patterns what kind of thing takes you from a Zone to an entry so I am not educated in the patterns so I'm not sure what a I I know what a head and shoulders is just because that's all over social media yeah yeah um the Candlestick patterns I don't I don't know what they are um it is purely just how much time is behind the trend line um how many touch points I'm using the wick of the candles so I guess answer is that I don't use the the patterns fair enough and do you do you that when you have a high time frame trend line like a 4 hour and then you know this is the next zone I'm interested in to sell would you then go and see additional trend lines and lower time frames to support uh like trend lines on top of trend lines is that I try so I don't go lower in time frame to look for an entry I will always go higher though so that's where I found myself getting messy over trading is when I did try to look for confirmations in lower time frames and then go back to the 4 Hour it was it was getting messy so when I found I could stay in the 4H hour time frame and that's as low as I'm going but if I need additional confirmation in the daily in the weekly and the monthly just looking overall Trends um that's where I'll draw my trend lines so when I'm trading something new I will do the top down analysis I'll do monthly weekly daily then stay in the 4 Hour so there will be additional trend lines drawn in different time frames but never lower than the 4 Hour interesting when you are trading a 4H hour and above time frame and usually because trend lines are non exact science therefore you have a reasonable stop loss to give yourself breathing room and a buffer against previous zones as a result of that there's two things that come to mind number one is you're going to have a long time for the trade to play out because um it's 4H hour price action so for you to let's say make that new lower low it could be a couple of days weeks and maybe even Beyond right uh that's number one thought that comes comes to mind number two that comes to mind is your risk reward will be I imagine 1 to two 1 to three in that region um I don't trade risks for reward so I'm interesting okay so when I'm in this this trend reversal I I don't know how long it's going to turn in this new direction for so that's been the kind of unconventional part of my strategy is that um I know my risk I know my initial risk with the reward I'm just trying to stay in this trend for as long as possible so the entry is based on the break of a trend line but so is the exit so once we have crossed the trend line that it is the new trend it's following along that's when I know it's time to either take my profit or I got a lot of questions then for my Futures Traders or 20% of the audience that is us-based I have finally something to bring to you and that is Alpha Futures a leading Futures PL firm that is working with trade of8 and ninja Trader that are compliant with CME regulations and with the largest end of day balance draw down in the industry 90% split same day payout and with the most competitive prices starting at just $79 with 20% off on top you can get started right away with the best value with a company that you've seen for years that you know and that you can trust so use the link in the description or code to to claim 20% off your futures funding accounts so obviously when when it comes to entries there's a there's a whole dialogue to have and obviously with exits too it's just as important now just speaking anecdotally when I was taking trades and I found a way to get good entries I was still leaving my exits towards um ideas what I mean by that is I'd have these support levels that I see and i' mark them out then I'd Mark our counter trend lines and they would be there I'll mark market structur so new lower lows then I'll mark liquidity pools and next thing I know I've got 10 lines on my screen and I know each one of them could be a rejection point it could be an exit so what that led to number one is based on my greed fear or emotions I would exit on these zones and over or under justify a level another one would be I I see a small reaction and overthink it and get out when it could just be a 5% retracement and went lower so for me to to wrap it up is it became hard for me to make true judgment calls on level because it was relying too much on my subjectivity and which is fine but it's it also left a degree of I'm leaving money on the table let's say where I could have held it longer or maybe I should have not held it as much and a lot of thoughts that I had from people was well at least you didn't take a loss if it went back to break even at least it's not a loss but I started to look at it and say say to myself that if I'm up x% and allow that to come back to break even that is um an opportunity cost I I left that on the table and and then I started to think of what what is the risk reward of me holding the trade where is it worth me holding on for another 100 Pips but I might foro 100 Pips and and then there might be a case where I'm up 5% should I hold the trade to gain an extra 1% for going five unrealized so the exit for me was two years ago a big internal dialogue that I had and I and I developed ways for myself to get out in data driven fixed levels so now I used to do the whole multiple levels and see rejections okay but too much emotions and and these kind of things led me to messing it up TPS without my entries without myy over optimized uh yield at the end of the year I say all of this to say the importance for people to understand that exits is is quite a significant thing because you have the same entry and you and I could enter the same trade and have a different outcome just on how we managed it so I want to hear your thoughts on in general trade management especially because you said you don't do risk reward and you're allowing the trade to play until you proven otherwise exactly what does that what does that look like for you and I got a piggyback off of that like anybody can get into a trade it is how you get out that separates you know the profitable Traders from the unprofitable and the trade management it's especially being in the 4our time frame it's easier to to let it play out because you've already got to be patient waiting for the setup and then you've got to be patient waiting for the trade to play out and then waiting for the exit but it's essentially I am the names that I give these trend lines so once once I've marked up my chart and I've done you know my analysis on whatever instrument I'm trading which is us going to be platinum or crude oil and I wait for the price to break one of these areas one of these trend lines and then it gets a name so now it has it's either an action line or a safety line i' I've tried to okay dumb it down as much as I possibly can to keep it as simple as possible so the action line is when I take my entry safety line is what keeps me safe and that's where I will Trail my stop along So eventually if if we if this isn't a fake out if this is truly a trend reversal I get to Trail my stop into profit and it's it's essentially when price breaks that new trend line is when I will either take my loss or I'll take my profit and it's it's pretty clear so it's it's if it's going to Trend along this new line okay as soon as it it breaks and it's done the trade is closed so the cool part about my trade management and not overthinking it or thinking did I leave too much on the table or trying to predict the high or the low or the zones and the zones I'm the the support resistance that I'm as I'm coming into to bigger trades more risk this year I have found myself clipping out early and I've been trying to find more zones than I have been allowing the safety line or the trend line to play its role but that's simply because I'm psychologically I'm working with bigger numbers when I see $40,000 which is my record trade that is so hard to let hold like that is so hard makes sense it makes complete sense with this now that we're transitioning towards psychology again I've had my own Journey with it and the the level that I may have reached I never actually s down and it's a big question that we get asked on the show that I ask every guest I've never found truly traitors actually sit and study psychology or actually sit and address childhood traumas and do these kind of things and obviously everybody knows the generic statements of work on your patients go Journal go meditat and cold showers and all these things and I did that and I started to realize all of these things were a form of escapism I I feel a certain emotion let me go and go to the gym and go on and run so I haven't actually dealt with it I've gone away from escapism part of the ACT say being patient I can actually front of the screen and force myself to be patient or I just close my screen and walk away meaning to say that how you do the behavior doesn't matter as much as the behavior meaning if I if I don't know how to be patient just find something to do in the meantime so psychology for me was a was a whole journey and a big problem that I started to face was the natural emotions that we all have of greed fear seeing big numbers and reacting to that is all natural and in the end we are humans we're not robots so it's going to happen we can't really do much about it so you can either train the muscle and I like to call that just emotion therapy when you expose yourself to that environment more and more you build a better trait and as they say if you want to be a patient person you just got to go through stressful times to build the trait of patience so when it came to that instead of me going through a whole journey on how to address my mind I started to build technicals that would support my personality what I mean by that is I realized I can't be the trader that was s in draw down for a week and let's say I've got a 4our Zone I know my draw down could be 40 Pips and it could hang around for a week in my entry and then go towards my takeprofit levels I Know Myself and I know if I'm hanging around for a week I'm going to enter in draw down again I'm going to panic when I'm two Pips in profit and and just mess it up when the easiest thing to do was just let it play out so I recognize that with Within Myself And as you're mentioning now when you're seeing bigger numbers and it's going towards profit all these overthinking thoughts of should I cut it early should I reenter should I counter trade it now and all these thoughts were not um were not ideal for me so what I started to do was transition away from swing and actually all went all the way down to intersection trading okay because I started to realize that for me if if I can get the same risk reward and therefore the same growth with a if I'm going for 1 to three I can have a 40 pip stop- loss and have 120 pip take profit and have that one to three or if I can find a five pip 10 pip range and go for a 20 pip take profit I can get the equivalent yield but the benefits of that is if it's tap and go because I've got a sharp entry I'm going to hit my stop loss very quick or go towards profit very quick if I break even sharp then I've um limited my exposure and usually in a single impulse I can go towards a first take profit saying all of this to say that now I didn't I didn't have to address my psychology because I got instant feedback almost so I know if I'm right or wrong whereas me doubting myself in a trade and thinking about it for a week was the issue so now I resolved it through a lower time frame play I can get satiated in the same way because I'm getting the equivalent risk reward but quicker and the whole idea of I'm going to have an Impulse towards my take profit I'm going to take profit right away after a session average session volatility that's my first TP so even if it retraces I've scratched the itch I've taken a bit of profit uh so then I didn't have to deal with these heavy retracements when you're a swing Trader and you're up x amount and the risk reward is high and you see a normal healthy 50% retracement the numbers went half and then the thoughts come in yes what is your I I've had these conversations with myself a lot so I want to ask someone that is a swing Trader and found success and profitability within swing trading I'm sure you've navigated these thoughts too how have you gone from my solution was change my way of trading okay how did you resolve those equivalent psychology issues um mine was just to and I love your point of just not like redirecting I mean that's what you do with like infants or toddlers you like you redirect you're like okay that behavior isn't good let's redirect their attention as an adult that's not what you should be doing you should be sitting in it and that's I do a lot of sitting in it in um in the 4-Hour time frame as a swing Trader as in you will you will watch the feelings unfold yes so like let's say that I I have to be incredibly patient just for a simple setup let's say I missed the setup there's fomo happening I I already had to wait like two three weeks for the setup it's passed that's an incredible amount of fomo that I have to just sit in and I don't I don't try to redirect I sit in it I feel it but I just have the discipline to not act on it and it's things like um or let the trade play out and knowing the price was this high at one point but my strategy is telling me that I'm not trying to capture highs and lows I'm just trying to capture the movement of the trend in between so I'll never do that so it's just simply sitting in the in the emotion sitting with the okay the fomo and not trying to redirect like you said exactly and it you become incredibly self-aware so I haven't needed to to switch a time frame or anything yet I I just will simply sit in it and it's it's uncomfortable but then you you get past it you don't have to you you don't have to close the charts or go do something else I will continue to watch Platinum be like okay so if I would have gotten in that would have been a great trade there's going to be another opportunity soon um depending on how soon we'll see but it's it's definitely a matter of just sitting in it I think that advice may go over people's head and and I want to Echo it because I I'm a firm believer in what you just said because in the beginning in my seemed like okay you're going to feel emotions and you're going to force yourselves to sit there and height in those emotions and be more susceptible to wrong decisions and that is true in the beginning as you develop the skill I guess you're not being as impulsive as you may have used to be because you've developed the you know the control to not do certain things it it brings me on to a point of you mentioned in the earlier days I think you were trading the lower time frames and now you've transitioned higher so as a result of that you're getting less instant feedback because a trade that you waited a couple days for now is maybe a couple of weeks because of the time frame do you think for beginner Traders it's an advantage to be on Lower time frames cuz it's both sides number one is that well lower time frames mean more noise you know more decisions more in inaccurate decisions but at the same time your goal at the beginning if you're taking 20 trades a year on year one is going to take you a long time to actually find the base but if you take 20 trades in your first couple of months you know you're going to blow that account or mess it up your likelihood of actually making money on your in your first goal is unlikely so I think if people accept that way and they get quicker feedback they can learn quicker and be redirected to right information and so forth can be an advantage that's the way you seem to have done it lower towards higher is that something you would re encourage to others oh yeah um I think you you kind of have to graduate to each uh each time frame graduates up yeah interesting so I would say trading in the five minute I don't know about the one but the five minute yes get the Reps in like absolutely get you you have to get the Reps in you've got to buy sell you've got to incorporate whatever new strategy you're you're learning or trading but I think you you have to see the noise you got to see the it's like um I feel like it's like learning how to ride a horse or like a unbroken horse versus a broken horse you if you can just if you can learn how to ride a horse in the most Untamed uh time frame taking it back yes but it's you you gain more experience that way so then you don't have to worry about the platform or the strategy you've got you've got those things down it's just simply the time frame so I think like graduating up so if you were in the five minute and you've mastered it or you found at least consistency and profitability finally in the 5 minute then explore you know the higher time frames maybe it's the 30 minute I went from the five straight to the 1 hour so that was a bit of a jump and then I went from the 1 hour to the 4 Hour also an incredible jump I don't know I think maybe it' be easier to do it in smaller increments but I definitely think graduate up get the Reps in first in the five minute or the lower time frames and then work your way up because I don't think okay like you said the 4our time frame I've only taken like less than 20 trades this year you can't learn from less than 20 trades you got to get the Reps in it's interesting because in general people do this top down analysis you start high and you go low your sense is more pick a time frame and rather work your way up the word you chose was graduate meaning like you're you're graduating to more difficult or uh you're earning your rights to trade the higher time frame I would imagine people say no the lower time frame is harder because there's a lot more going on it's harder to read why have you flipped it and why is the higher time frames the place you end up not the place you begin I would say that's the lower time frames are difficult they are tricky and I think you you still have to start there just to to get the experience um if I didn't trade platinum or crude oil in the lower time frames I wouldn't know it as well like so I know what it does in the lower time frames I know how much noise um I think that it's like getting to know somebody you've got to see like a a closer view until you can kind of move on to the broad I don't know if that analogy makes sense but it's it's a better way to kind of build a relationship with the instrument not even the strategy but the instrument see what it does in these 5 minute time frames in these 1 hour time frames then it kind of works your way to the higher and because you have a strong foundation on the lower time frames is where you began as you've moved on to higher time frames instead of doing what you are focusing on the higher time frames and letting that be your way why are you not doing a multi-time frame read and a top- down analysis as many do I don't think I have the brain power for it okay yeah I mean swing trading is still fairly new to me I think uh next year will be officially two years of Swing TR trading which I mean sounds like a lot TR trading so it's actually a minority of your time in the market cor yeah but I would say it's so I'm still fairly new to swing trading so it still has taken a toll on me like there's still times where I just have trade exhaustion just from holding like a trade for three or four weeks and I'm like wow that was to be in draw down then to see it in profit and then yes in the span of three weeks and to know that there could be a three weeks that goes by and you have made nothing and that is so much time invested so I'm still trying to master that and I don't think a beginner Trader can go through that like I think it's very challenging because um you could be trading for a month and you end up taking one trade and end up being a loss then you're just like I wasted a month and it can really feel like that's canly is you know taking decisions can seem the mentally bur burdensome thing but at the same time indecision or not taking a decision is an art too that the act of not getting out of the trade and forcing yourself to stay in despite all the ideas and thoughts that come I mean it it is challenging which brings me to the question of why why transition away from the lower time frames to the let's say Inay maybe before towards swing were you 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funded website and start to utilize other people's money to benefit from the crypto markets whilst minimizing your downside um I would say the less chart time is the number one I mean it is incredible I am I rarely have to just sit in front of my chart for hours and it's all done on my phone now so I am it's easier to look at a chart in a 4our time frame so it's the also the the trends that are in the higher time Fram just hold a lot more weight if a trend line is broken into 5 minutes so what like it's such a it's such a small time frame and there will be many of Trends in the lower time frames that will get broken and to see which ones it respects it's better to go on the higher time frames so I feel a lot more confident about my positions in the the higher time frames a lot less chart time a lot less trades um so it's I think it's very it's that was enticing it was just the time Freedom away from the charts I want to bring the word into this which is fake outs now I want to discuss the idea of liquidity and liquidity being uh zones where people's stop losses could be and the market just tapping those stop losses and then seeming to go in the same direction people justify calling us stop loss hunt whatever term you want to put towards it have you noticed that has an effect on your trend lines and maybe the lower time frames was maybe more susceptible to fake outs compared to higher time frame or what is your interaction with that term manipulation um in the lower time frames I had to have a lot more uh kind of things in my toolbox to help me in case of a fake out uh a lot more comp essentially to help me feel confident about an entry because I would get burned out on fake outs especially in crude oil um even on higher time frames crude oil is I'm still fairly hesitant when I get a break of a trend line in crude oil versus platinum where I am just very confident it is respectful of the trend lines um when we get a trend reversal it respects that new trend incredibly so if we're in consolidation or if I get a few fake outs and plattinum I'll take it because the amount of time that it does respect it I excel but in the lower time frames I just need need a little bit more confirmation so I needed to either wait for the retest wait for the candle to close um I I had essentially a like a checkbox that in the lower time frames it had to be very close to the opposing trend line the price when it breaks so that if my stop which is going on the opposing trend line is if the price is close to it I'm going to be I'll know very quickly and it'll be kind of a small loss there so a lot more had to go into the confidence and Confirmation in the lower time frames versus the higher time frames I'm not waiting for a 4H hour candle close so that's not going to happen I am just if I'm confident that we've got momentum in the break I'm in and obviously if it's if the trend line has met all the entry criteria but lower time frames I needed to be convinced a lot more because I was experiencing a lot more fake outs now next door you maybe have seen uh burnt he's uh obviously a very known Trader well well known on the show and uh his credentials obviously many times on the Ft mod leaderboard so obviously I've had an in-depth discussion with him on the show about his strategy and it seems like his approach is probably similar to yours from a technical base okay but um he is also a kind of person that doesn't really focus on the technicals he's using very rudimental daily support level a weekly point of interest because he's heavily relying on fundamentals and instead of trading it seems like you're trading a few asset classes of platinum and so forth he's looking at everything to find the best opportunity fundamentally and then using simple technices to get in on an idea that is driven by fundamentals wow because he also swing trading and therefore on a on a one- day movement I don't think interest rates is really driving today's New York session but the price action of the next 6 months is definitely driven by fundamentals so I want to understand your ideas aside from trend lines is there other thoughts that you add in whether it's fundamentals whether it's I it could be anything is there other things you add in aside from technicals yes um I do not trade fundamentals but there is intuition that's involved I am I'm purely a price action Trader but but I think the relationship that I have developed with platinum and crude oil plays a huge role um I have been trading crude oil for many years Platinum I would say maybe two to three years but I think my additional confirmation or my additional information is purely just the relationship that I've built with it just understanding an average movement for this specific instrument Tendencies of how the pace it has yeah um the word for that I think people have this idea that inition is a fluffy word because if you can't if you can't explain it and you can't tell people what it is what is it what is it and and I think the way to kind of look at it is if you've seen something play out a thousand times maybe you can't the analogy I give is from the book rob a green Mastery okay where he's talking about how you master a skill set and he said sometimes I could have a tennis coach and that tennis coach might sit there and teach me every day do your forehand like this have your palm facing the ball and give you all this training and you might learn some things but you can't be as good as him and unless you sit and watch him every day and you start to see okay he's actually twisting his wrist at the end I see but he doesn't know he's doing that he's just done it a million times and it became intuition it became intuitive to him to kind of do that as he's hitting the ball so he doesn't know it but it's just subconscious competence uh and I think reps and exposure into the market can build a sense of exactly that why was crude oil and platinum the non-conventional things I want to say why did you choose those as your choices to trade there wasn't any Rhyme or Reason I when I went into Futures I was trading everything I tried to figure out which one I like the most and there was just one year where I had a lot of success in crw oil it was it was in an October it was October one of these years where I was experimenting trying to trade you know gold and silver and some of the indices and I found I had awesome success in crude oil in that one October and I was like man this is it so then I just continued to trade crude oil after that Plum I had always had my eye on it I don't know I don't it maybe it called me to it I really it's such a weird thing to trade but the the price action and just with my strategy so I like to continue to mark up my charts so even if I'm not trading gold I still have a marked up I still like to know what gold does interesting okay same with the IND because there's correlations or I would say more so gold and silver less Platinum but I mean there will be exceptions but for the most part yeah gold and silver will correlate but Platinum will kind of do its own thing but it's I think it just it just happened to to respect my strategy I think and then I was kind of called to it fair enough a lot of people say that USD Cad and oil have a inverted correlation have you found have you found anything in that not really no not I hadn't made that correlation okay fair enough when it comes to um navigating the markets you've been doing it for a decade and you have transition your style over time now looking at the way you trade are you satisfied with how it is or are you still creating new ideas and testing new ways or now that you're kind of found a way you're transitioning away in the sense of your swing trading and try maybe focusing on other things have you found your final form or is there certain things that you're still interested in learning I that's an interesting one for most of my trading career like I had tunnel vision I cuz I was already trying to if if you throw too many variables in like it's very hard to see progress or to see what needs to be modified so if you can keep the strategy the same and you're changing the time frame then you can figure out what time frame works for you if you're keeping if you have one constant so I think keeping it as simple and constant as possible is incredible but now that it's been 10 years like now I'm open to okay let's take a look you know at all of this data and especially since I'm still new to swing trading there could be things that are modified figuring out you know a two touch Point Break versus a five or a three so I'm open to being more kind of picky about my entries and Gathering some data to see okay which you know which one of these do I like best am I more inclined to take you know two or three or four touchpoint breaks so I think I'm I'm I'm open to it but for new Traders you got to have a constant because if you're going to change time frame strategies and you've got too many variables you're not going to be able to see what needs to be modified so out of the dozens and dozens of prop firms that exist in the whole Space who can we really trust whether they use slippage whether they use types of draw down unrealistic trading conditions every single profit firm has hidden tricks so after thorough research and speaking to a lot of Traders Alpha capital is definitely the best prop firm in the space so apart from there no commissions low spread no slippage great reputation never denying a payout because you are a Titans of Tomorrow viewer you get a special discount on every evaluation just using the link or using the code to for Titans of tomorrow now your journey in the markets I would say is quite different to most because most come online they see the million people online they try and learn a bit from everyone and it can be it's a difficult thing because my background is academic I went to University for a long time so my approach to the market was an academic approach okay I thought to pass my exams I had to read a lot of books and and learn as much as I can to arm myself to pass the test so when I came to the Marcus I thought more information and learn as much as I can would serve me best and as you just mentioned it's maybe not a case of how much you know because you can have a million ideas and maybe end up in the analysis paralysis or just in you know overthinking things or more importantly if if you have 20 reasons to get in and you only need two of them to execute out of 20 things happening two will always be there so you can always justify an entry so sometimes having too much information can be to your detriment and I think a lot of people coming into the markets they see a thousand courses they see a thousand mentors they see a thousand Styles and the natural approaches watch podcasts watch YouTube videos and learn a bit of everything and then take what they've learned and on their own with a naive mindset because they're new Traders try and figure it out and throw things and come to the market and throw things and hope it works whereas your journey was more as you said tunnel vision you had your uncle that was guiding you and giving you a specific approach and you were not necessarily allowing outside information to to develop your thoughts looking back was that a advantage or and something you're thankful of and how would you encourage others to do something similar um I think there was a quote by Bruce Lee I could be wrong but it was something similar to I am not scared of the man who learned a thousand different punches I am scared of the man that did one punch and mastered it a thousand times so that is the same concept I am so thankful that I just stuck with it I just I didn't care I didn't care about the other strategies I had somebody tangible in person showing me the lifestyle showing me the results I didn't care what everybody else is doing like I just wanted his success and the coolest part is when I learned he the the goal that I was looking for so you've got to have a why you got to have a goal like why is what is trading going to get you to and I just wanted to do what he did which he didn't have fancy cars he didn't have a crazy house I mean he had a nice house U on the water but the the biggest thing was he was home all the time it blew my mind I'm like why is your dad not working to my cousins he was home all the time I wanted that I wanted to be the one that took the family on trips or road trips so that was my goal with trading I never Associated it with you know I get these material things I got to be home and so that kept me from caring about what other people did like I just had my eye on the prize it was okay I want that lifestyle and somebody is actually doing it that I can trust fully so I didn't I think that's the I'm incredibly grateful that I had the tunnel vision that I didn't care what other people were doing in the markets uh I didn't care to try something new even if I was failing I was like I could call them and be like okay I feel like I'm I don't have this I I don't have it down he would encourage me so I think just knowing that even though it's not working right now everything he's teaching me there he doesn't have an agenda like he's not going to try to teach me something that's incorrect like wants to see me succeed so I had full full trust in my mentor and in my system so I just I think I am incredibly privileged to have had tunnel vision well when you see most communities um let's say a community has a thousand members there's not a single community on Earth that has a thousand members and all a thousand are successful and I think that's law of averages that's just humans you can't have everyone at a degree of Excellence but when you see communities that have a thousand people it's a guarantee you'll have five people that are incredible and you have a portion of people that are just lazy they don't put in the work and therefore we not meet the results and then a lot of people somewhere in the middle and I think when you have um belief into your Mentor let's say that could have a hand which I want to ask about because if you have different type of Learners and and again it's from another book I just forgot but it was like you have an absolute Winner's mindset so the analogy in the book was um I think his name is Robert banister who was the first person on Earth to do the 4-minute mile and before him it was deemed scientifically impossible to run a 4minute mile and despite the best shoes and the best everything no one had done it and then he had this winest mindset of I don't care what other people say I will find a way and then he broke it and then what happened right after that is many other people broke the 4minute mile and those are the second category of people which is if other people can do it then I can do it and then you have like five other categories beyond that which is other people come in and say well if it's working let's see not I will do it let's see then you have other people that can say he's doing it but probably won't work for me I always get bad luck and then you have the last category which is it doesn't work for them it's not going to work for me and I'm going to go out my way to prove it doesn't work and a very negative mindset when you have this kind of cohort of people into all the communities in the industry naturally you have all kind of crazy ideas and crazy confusion but this word you are kind of saying is trust trust in your Mentor because he didn't have an agenda it was your uncle his family and um he's only trying to guide you do you think that's that feeling of having absolute faith in your the person that was guiding you had a significant advantage AG or do you think it was just information is information and it was down to you in the end and the work that you did H that's a that's a tricky one cuz my uncle taught many of my family members I'm the only one that made it so I think it's got to be a combination yes um the I think the trust as far as new Traders not everyone's going to have many are not going to have a tangible Mentor um so I think having a mentor that's online is very tricky for beginners to fully trust it like they just like yes maybe they think it's the lifestyle is enticing and they they like the way this person you know articulates the the strategy or they can resonate with this person but maybe you know when they're not finding success three four months from now they they'll second guess them be like maybe this person isn't really showing me what they actually do so I think for beginner Traders you you have to have the trust you've got to fully believe that this strategy or this Mentor this person is going to lead you to success but then it's got to be that perfect combination the stars have to align like you've got to trust the mentor the strategy the system and then also you got to put in the work like I think I'm a great representation of when it comes to my family he's taught his sons and daughter and cousins and family friends and none of them stuck it out but it's the same thing he taught all of the other family members and all the other friends the same strategy I just had to stick it out even when I didn't find success even after the years of like I don't know if I can do this I you I still saw it through so I think you've got to have that tenacity that perseverance and I had the information but I think it's a combination of both the the strategy the trust so there's a road map that is spoken about and I want to understand if this is something you experien so you have what is called uninformed optimism you see trading is this amazing thing you see maybe it's an easy way to get rich and it seems very exciting so you come in with enthusiasm you think it's going to be the easiest thing and you got your uncle and this is going to be the best thing and then you quickly realize and it comes to informed pessimism like it's not as easy as I thought I started to learn and it's actually harder than I thought and then the the part you just mentioned which is people then don't see the results after a couple of months they start to doubt their Mentor they get frustrated they start to think maybe it's not for me and they enter the valy of Despair the value of Despair is usually where people bounce to another course or give up on trading and do Drop Shipping or something else and usually the people that are in the valley of Despair and break out and rather than complete the loop of next shiny object new uninformed optimism new exciting get rich quick thing and repeating that Loop forever they break out of the valley of Despair and just see it through and end up finding the results they have did you ever find yourself in that equivalent of valley of Despair and instead of giving up on it what did you do or how did you manage yourself to actually get yourself out of there um I did a podcast with my uncle not too long ago and he asked me you know or he he said it he got to witness this whole journey and he said I can almost guarantee so he he had already said i' taught everybody in the family nobody made it um he said you were an exception and it was because I I had to find my way back to it and no one else did that they nobody else completed the full circle where I was in the Despair and I wasn't seeing the success and I wasn't as passionate and I wasn't as I just I didn't want it as bad I wasn't as hungry for it you w i weren't at one time so I had to I had to find that like I had to pick myself up and really make this work so I was in that area of Despair I could have there was a very pivotal moment where I could have just pursued something else like you know some do Drop Shipping or whatever it may be there was a very pivotal moment where I could have just done something else because I didn't see it nobody else in the family is doing it only Uncle Mike's doing it and then I was like but or I could just give this a little bit longer and I'm I think I'm just stubborn like I when I have a goal like there's many other things that I've done where um free diving I had a goal of I I want to on one breath go down 50 feet I want to hold my breath for 2 minutes and I there were these goals and I knew that I I had to train to get there and I wasn't going to be happy with anything but if I didn't hit that 50 ft I would have continued to try until I hit 50 ft and then with cycling like I did cycling and I wanted to ride 130 miles in one day I wanted to race so I'm very stubborn like I have these goals and I know I can hit them so I but I was younger with trading so it was harder to be like okay I have this goal and I've got to see it through but I think you have to be incredibly stubborn to to continue the cycle yes interesting now when it comes to the idea of um getting to this year which was 100 200k did you say Yeah 200k in profit I want to say is this your biggest year yeah in trade so a huge achievement and as you approach 10 years in the markets you're hitting big Milestones I want to talk through this year so what you mentioned 20 trades which is an interesting stat because I think somebody that had made 200k and you started off with what balance it was 110 108 almost doubling in accounts in the span of a year with 20 trades what did that Journey look like was it a hockey stick as we spoke earlier or was it consistent wins over time how did you navigate this year um this year if we're being totally honest was was very easy things clicked I wasn't second guessing entries um to be honest I slacked I think my 200 goal was way too low for what I'm capable of interesting okay I um there were opportunities that I missed I took two months off of trading just just because like it I think I slacked but it was so I've got I've got to set my goals way higher next year to see what I'm actually capable of is I'm impressing myself and do you think the fact that you maybe didn't care as much this year or you were taking time off and you're not obsessing over it did you think that maybe in a weird way helped you out yes I mean always having having multiple streams of income takes the pressure off of trading every year that I am incorporating more streams of income the pressure on trading is less and less and less and I'm doing better and better and better um so yeah I'm going to say now you mentioned just off camera U that after the Summits uh previously obviously being in environment with phenomenal Traders and people that have very lavish lifestyle and obviously becomes appealing after that you encountered a losing period and you you speculated that a lot of people when they end up in this height and hype environments with a lot of cool Traders and a lot of flashy things that you end up instead of being learning things and inspire side you end up kind of messing things up number one why do you think that happened uh and number two in a as a very ambitious woman that you are as you mentioned when you see the people around you in the industry with the crazy lifestyle and so forth in the US specifically how do you navigate to that being highly driven goal orientated probably competitive but also not finding yourself in that lifestyle Loop um man so the loss we'll start with the loss it was I think it was the first time that I got to see the these other traders in person and the comparison was I mean I compared myself to every other influencer Trader and I'm like they have been trading for just as many years as me and they're doing $100,000 trades and I'm like that is so discouraging to know that I've been trading for just as long as you and I'm only making $10,000 trades 15,000 at that time I wasn't hitting the 20,000 the 30,000 the 40,000 so I was I was discouraged I was like man I've been trading for just as long as this guy and I'm not I'm not at this level so after after that conference and after being you know at dinners with these people and having conversations where I could just hear you know their biggest losses their biggest wins and their pnls I went home and tried to double down on position and I was like okay this is the trade that's going to do it this is the tray that's going to change things and that was such a mistake it makes sense yeah this year when you when you have your um record year did you encounter any specific losses or challenging moments um I had losses yes but the losses I had this year I felt incredibly confident about to be honest very proud of that they were just purely by the book there was no I mean maybe I it's just there weren't too many losses this year just because there also weren't too many trades it wasn't that I had planned to only take two losses this year but I was incredibly proud of the losses I took this year purely by the book and because you started to see bigger numbers than you had previously did seeing bigger numbers desite despite percentages being the same did the big a dollar amounts have an effect on your mindset yeah I um so I excel so I'm a directional Trader trend line Trader and um I excel when I can stay in the entirety of the move now that I am taking on more risk and bigger positions this year I started to use these support and resistance levels to take my profit whereas I know I excel when I can just let it right out so the the numbers I found myself kind of forcing the exits or just purely being so overwhelmed that I'm up a a to be honest and even being a content creator when I'm in a trade and it was my record I'm like okay if I close this right now I can make a video and be like okay I just close your record trade so there's a lot that comes into play the bigger numbers the content creation people watching your trades the psychology this year tough the trading easy mhm and now that you have achieved certain things how does your uncle your original Mentor see your progress and is it in line with what he imagined have you met his expectations or does he still see yeah Tor you got a long way to go still H he he thinks I still got a long way to go oh yeah he humbles me every time oh humbles me incredibly he's like why didn't you stay in that position why aren't you in that position bigger are you not having are you not convicted enough to feel like this is going in the direction so he always challenges me which I need I guess how how long has he been trading 30 years now almost 30 and is your strategy today exactly the same as his strategy or have you added your own twist there are slight slight modifications but as as a whole it is the same strategy and have you found that obviously in 30 years when he started to to today everything has changed in the world with AI with tech with everything economies the internet have you found that his strategy and now your strategy is something that is applicable over time or do you think naturally there's had to be S of modifications because the market has changed I think I mean he that he's a great example that 30 years of trading he's traded the same strategy it he's gone through 30 years of market conditions so he's he's been able to apply the strategy through many different conditions so I think it is truly a very Universal strategy now I want to touch on a topic that which I wasn't sure if I was going to but you encouraged me at the beginning um so hopefully it's not taken the wrong way but we are in Industry where the the vast majority of Traders are men and because you are the first female guest that I'm having I I want to take the opportunity to explore let start off with why why are there so many male Traders and not so many female Traders when seemingly the opportunity is equal for every everyone yeah I mean the markets don't care so that's the cool thing markets do not care if you're male or female but I think this is something that after the after last year at the the last conference I went to I mean I got to visually see the it's male dominated and obviously so is finance Finance in general and it's that's just a normal that's the way Society is you know the the man is the controller of the finances that's just how it's been for many years and yes we're seeing the shift but I think naturally that's why just cuz Finance has always been male dominated men have been in charge of the finances so that's why I think it's probably going to take a very long time for it to be like this equal kind of thing but when after the summit I really like tried to wrestle with this and just figure out I've been trading for nine years so have these guys what what makes me different why am I not at this level and I really wanted to like internalize it and see okay is it is it truly is it the way I was brought up am I too risk advert am I is it the chemical makeup of being a female that is keeping me from you know risking it all I mean it doesn't have to be that extreme I was actually thinking the the opposite which is um you have entered an industry and you've performed in an industry where other females would maybe not dare enter and for the example gave your sister where she had access to your uncle to she learned some things but she never pursued it so I'm not I'm not so curious on your performance against other men I'm more curious as to why uh um you have entered the markets when other women usually don't I I never thought I mean like I'd mentioned before very goal driven I never just because it it was my uncle teaching me and not my aunt like I never thought I can't do what he's doing because he's my uncle or if maybe my aunt was teaching me I would be more inclined to pursue it harder I I think I'm maybe uh a female that just is very goal oriented regardless of whatever industry it was going to be in I I knew I was going to reach this goal I'm going to throw an idea and let me know if it makes sense which is um men in general especially in this generation we are brought up with social media and therefore we are used to scrolling through rich men and very red pill men which are get jacked get rich get girls and and that kind of messaging and as a young man who is very impressionable and maybe doesn't have a strong father figure it's very easy to edify these people and say I want to be just like him so then they very over prioritize the importance of money lifestyle materialism and it's usually a man-to-man thing like men are watching other men and I don't really think that a a woman is watching a Andrew tape figure and seeing his crazy lifestyle and being like I want to be like him but this whole generation of 16year olds really made that their Messiah let's say and and I think how impressionable men are to uh goals and also what they are consuming can eventually be the anchor that they hold meaning to say that they get into trading not because they were particularly interested not because because they had an uncle to guide them rather they got in because they saw it was a way to get rich so when you enter something with the sole outcome to buy a Lambo and and do these things my initial route is I'm a dentist so when I got into that career path although the financial side of Dentistry can be quite High I didn't enter thinking let me be a dentist so I can go to a club and then have a bottle show and and buy a Lambo it was more honest intentions but when Traders comeing it's for sure most young guys are getting into trading so that they can buy that Rolex so when you are into the markets and you are then seeing that it's a lot harder in fact you're losing money whereas in other opportunities you're not losing money from the goal you're just learning and hopefully you land a job hopefully you land a client whereas trading you can blow if your account it would be quite costly and when you have this gap between extreme lifestyle extreme desire for men and then the reality is quite harsh that you're not making the money right away that can be quite an emotional side for for men and usually men are not as emotional let's say as as a woman I want to understand how you interact with with that side of things which is the states side the lifestyle side and all of these things which are like the lowkey the appeal for a lot of men and and when you look at the industry it really caters to that when you look at prop firms why are they putting leaderboards is for men to compete say okay maybe you don't have a huge payout but you can post to your friends you can post on Instagram and get that validation or why do we get certificates when we pass an account is say you haven't actually made a payout you just passed but then you can show your family you can show your friends like I'm that Trader so I think it's all to validate feelings and usually those feelings are towards men because of the money attachment towards Forex or trading in general sorry how is your interaction with lifestyle and these kind of topics and and could that be a contributor to why it's male dominated yes um that's an interesting one I think I I was never big on trying to find my like role role model on social media so there was not a person that I wanted to replicate or wanted to be like uh which maybe I mean it was just it was maybe there were a few never Traders there was never Traders so I think the cool part is when when my uncle taught me I never dove into social media like I never tried to figure out who else is trading who else is doing this I was just I mean it goes back to the tunnel vision but I think I don't know that's a really tricky one I I don't know I don't know why why I the leaderboards don't entice me or the um or how I'm still able to make it or I think nowadays now that I am so much more heavily involved in the social media side of the industry I'm I mean I'm struggling with the the same stuff that newbie Traders probably struggle with the the comparison I mean that's that's taken a to my trading now I think maybe my journey was just later so when I got into seeing the people on social media it wasn't at the beginning which is crucial so it was is closer to to now I want to ask about the emotions and the emotional effect of trading and um the way I want to take it is that obviously when you build traits in the markets um let's say you want to be very calm Under Pressure you want to be very emotionless stoicism can come into it where you you face a lot of emotions and you're very a Trader is able to kind of shut them off and you can become quite rigid cold and and and that's an advantage in the markets but the ri rip effect of many in the markets can be that how those emotions in the markets obviously are your emotions as a person so I found in my own life is that I've become very good at dealing with my emotions and I've become very stoic and these are all things I hear online these are all things I've read in books and this is all advantages as a Trader that I can go through turmoil stress loss and not be phased which my younger self was phased so although it became an advantage for me now I've noticed the ripple effect in my personal life which is I don't miss things as much I don't um get as excited or as sad I can have problems in my life and not be as emotional I've just become regulated and stoic not only in the markets but elsewhere and I've noticed um in interpersonal relationships the connection is not how it used to be because I'm just a bit closed off and I've noticed when I've discussed this usually off camera with other men I found traders that are men they usually like that they they're not keen to just get married right away way or they're not keen to uh jump into em emotional relationships because I got I got [ __ ] to do I got I got to go and get that bag and I got to focus on myself and they move to Dubai and they you know they hustle and and usually they do it as a pack with a group of men so that environment is not a nurturing wholesome environment it's very goal-driven ambitious no time for emotion no time for Tears kind of environments and that has an effect on on real life relationships I I want to understand that from a woman's perspective because as they say a woman is a little bit more in touch with their emotions they they feel their emotions a little bit more and I would imagine that therefore in the beginning days as a Trader you would be maybe more emotional a average woman would be more emotional than an average man because of our biochemistry as you started to regulate that and become stronger in your emotions have you noticed an effect outside of the markets on that yeah yeah I would say my uncle taught me at the very beginning stages that the emotions were healthy and he actually didn't tell me to trade like a robot um he was like when you get a weird feeling or you're you know you've got that excitement or maybe that uh when you're in draw down that fear um he said they were very healthy and to kind of embrace them sit in them okay uh but yes there were many times in the beginning like that's easier said than done you've got to You'll act on it many times in the beginning but now that you've kind of gained the experience and you've sat through it I think that really helps when you I mean maybe that's a New Concept I don't know if many Traders kind of will promote the emotion part of it cuz I know everywhere I hear trade like a robot no no emotion nothing it's also to what we said earlier that when when we're taking a loss go to the gym go for a run uh take a cold shower but that's in the sense escapism you're not dealing with the emotion and then you're actually manually building a wall for yourself and that wall will also be apparent elsewhere and I think in general men are very good at treating emotions like an ostrich that you just put your head in the sand and pretend that emotion isn't there whereas I I I believe the women are a lot more adapt to addressing the elephant in the room whereas a man is very comfortable just ignoring that elephant okay true when it comes to you saying that you you kind of tackle these emotions head on there not something that I'm familiar with and although people have said that that guys get told this a lot you know deal with your emotions it's okay to cry and all these things it's just not something a lot of men are used to fair and and I I want to understand am I missing out on something and and how you navigate the same emotions I feel in the market uh and deal with it like a typical man would how do you deal with those sort emotions when you are saying I deal with the head on yes yes um I I have a very I mean yes I have a very womanly approach when it comes to that I am you know a very self-aware sit in your emotions kind of person so it's it's that's hard to say to a man you know to go to therapy to to sit with your emotions I know that's that's weird and that's not that's not what Society has taught men but I I mean I'm not a man so I don't know but it's it's got to be tricky to to I don't know if it's intimidating but I think it's really healthy I mean it's got to be but then maybe that's just what separates a male from a female it's just there's got to be maybe it's beneficial in the family so it's there's such interesting Dynamic and it very well could be healthy for a man to maybe not address certain things or to to be able to hold their ground in you know those emotional situations where a woman can be a little bit more emotional so it's I think it's I think it's beneficial either way um I am so glad that I'm in tune with my emotions because it it helps with my trading incredibly I'm you know I don't act on the fomo I've I've already experienced the excitement of being in a win and the devastation of being in a loss but then just sitting in it and under exploring it understanding it um so outside of just trading I'm very you know therapy forward you know working through emotions talking through it identifying patterns that I've had in the past and kind of trying to tie it all back to trading and business and my personality so I'm very very in tune with being like completely self-aware MH I want to latch on to therapy it's an interesting word I've never discussed it on the podcast so I'll take the opportunity um when you explore the world of therapy usually I see therapy as you have a problem therefore I'm going to a therapist to fix it when it comes to therapy for yourself that you maybe have done did it have any effect on something you act on in the markets what were those things um I found out that I catastrophize so I think worst case scenario so when in draw down I am like is is this going to am I going to give up everything and if if this closes out you know it's just being very uh thinking this is the end of the world when in draw down so if I could figure that out in my personal life and be like okay these are the coping strategies I'm going to put into place I'm not going to divert my attention or try to find something different to do you have to do that at first so when someone is like maybe having anxiety attack you you have to divert that attention you've got to you know there's things where you can hold a piece of ice to immediately remove that that feeling or that uh urge coming up or whatever that whatever uh induces the anxiety or whatever the attack gives but um and it's similar to like to trading to know okay at first I have to divert the attention just to remove the acttion ual Act of having the anxiety attack the hyperventilation or whatever that is but having the coping strategies to where okay you you divert your attention at first but then you have these things in place where now okay I know it's coming I can you know put this into place I can sit in it I can think about it I'm removing worst case scenarios and then that circles back to trading when I'm in draw down and it's still within the strategy I I'm able to kind of sit comfortably in it whereas before I was heart rate's up I'm like thinking this is the end into the world I'm not going to make it as a Trader I'm giving up this profit where now I can sit in it and be very comfortable I'll be honest I I've never been to a therapist but I have explored a form of therapy through CH gbt okay and I'll sit there and kind of talk to it for an hour as weird as this sounds but it does give a lot of useful advice when when you frame chat GPT to be a therapist let's say and um what I've kind of explored through that and some videos that I've watched is a lot of our adulthood anchors and problems and therefore emotions are usually derived from things that happened in our childhood and from what I've read and seen is that a lot of therapy is orientated towards your childhood is there certain things that somebody could that is watching could say okay if I've experienced XYZ in my childhood it usually leads to XYZ behavior in the markets have you found anything as such um just to give an example for myself is that when I um as I was growing up I was my my parents gave me an upbringing which is complet from a place of love but it was always indirectly as a negative effect is I was given extra love when I had achieved something so when I passed an exam when I did well in in school I would be rewarded for it so my young confused pubescent mind took that as my love became conditional and this something I explore through chat GPT um and a few videos and and it comes out that um I can end up and people can end up with a mind that is uh very got an awkward relationship to love and therefore you can can have a very um independent hyper independent feeling because you know that your love is conditional on your success so as a result you will hyper focus on success not knowing that your parents love you either way and that therefore you can it can take you into a realm of really seeking their validation yeah so certain things that I understood was even though I've achieved um financially and so forth um when I've spoken to some people about it they just bring it up and it's like you've always SE your father's validation and I don't know why but that sentence at times just cracks me and then when I looked into it I realized although my my dad gave me everything he gave me support he helped me through school gave me extra tuition that led to an effect of I really craved his respect and the only way I thought I could get his respect in love was through try trying to achieve as much as possible something that I've now looked into and and looking to explore how I can Rectify these are the kind of things that I think when I hear the word therapy and and real psychology do you have your own interesting interaction with something like that yeah okay thank you for using that example now I can now I can relate this back so I would say my upbringing was very talking about finances so we'll we'll bring it like very specific to upbringing and how it relates to trading finances was a very yuy thing to talk about we never had enough money we we couldn't ask for this or ask for that or anytime we brought up money it was very uncomfortable and it ended up being a fight between parents so it was it was a very uncomfortable thing finances money so so in trading it you have to I mean you'll have almost like a setback if if that's been something in your childhood you're you're not going to feel comfortable or even feel worthy to to get you know that profit or that gain or to feel like you can hold on for these bigger numbers so growing up and having a a harsh kind of perspective when it comes to finances and money you you're going to have a little bit more to work through versus maybe someone that didn't have to worry about finances so kind of a scarcity mindset towards money yeah yeah and uh I'm sure a lot of people relate to that cuz I think that's a more normal way to have an upbringing where money is tight in a family and therefore you can always I mean I've had this too where I always feel like no matter how much I've made and a voice in the back of my head of like what if it was all just luck and even though I've got years on my side it's like but what if it would all just change and it's just a nagging voice in my head and that's probably linked to something when I was younger or my relationship to money let's say how did you go about addressing that now that you've identified this was maybe an issue for you um it was one it was how dumbfounded I was that you could make money from just like a phone or a laptop that was that was crazy and then to to see that you can also lose it though very quickly by just pressing buttons but it I think when I got a an idea of like this is I I removed so much of the the need for it or it just I don't know the best it seems fake it's like it seems weird it's like you can just press buttons and make money so like when I could kind of gamify it unless like this is my this is my living this is it's so serious it it made it easier CU it just didn't feel it just it's so detached it's crazy that you really can just make money pressing buttons interesting that it is I kind of want to round up the episode with final advices so um I want to take this to maybe cuz I usually ask this question but let's do it a bit different which is advice is to the women that are may be watching um and maybe specific advice that you are in a unique position to give to them something that you want to say to the few female viewers that we have I would say there is no difference between you and a male getting into the trading space maybe it's maybe Society has made us believe that it is intimidating but it is just another thing that you can learn to do you can learn to ride a bike you can learn to play guitar you can learn to be a nurse be a doctor um so you can learn to do this it's it's just kind of believing in yourself having that kind of Headstrong mindset that I did that I didn't care if I was male or female I had a goal and I knew I was going to hit it and I think that's the same for for women if they can have that goal and know that it just simply at one point you didn't know how to do something you learned and now you can do it it's it's just kind of maybe removing that intimidation factor of you know only guys do this or only guys excel at this and I think if you have your mind set to reaching a goal you can do it you've just got to learn how to do it there we go Tor a wonderful episode I really enjoyed this thank you for joining us on TI thanks for having me there we go boom