the competition is heating up you've been uh friendly with Elon even though technically is a competitor what do you think about the robo taxi efforts that Tesla is doing we don't compete with Tesla directly we are not making cars etc right we building L45 autonomy we're building a Whimo driver which is general purpose and can be used in many settings they're obviously working on making Tesla self-driving too i've just assumed it's a de facto that Elon would succeed in whatever he does so that is uh not something I question these spaces are such vast spaces in all future scenarios I see Tesla doing well and Whimo doing well we've always been a deep technology company whimo is a version of building a AI robot that works well this year we've scaled up a lot and we'll continue scaling up in 26 like we mentioned with the Neolithic package I think it's very possible that in the quote unquote AI package when the history is written autonomous vehicles is like the big thing that changes everything just a complete transition from manually driven to autonomous in ways we might not predict it might change the way we move about the world completely second and third order effects as you're seeing now with Tesla very possibly you would see internally with Alphabet maybe Whimo maybe some of the Gemini robotics stuff cuz we should remember that Whimo is a robot it just happens to be on four wheels you said that the next big thing might be in the space of robotics demis and the Google Deepoint team is very focused on Gemini robotics right we are definitely building the underlying models so we have a lot of investments there and I think we also pretty cutting edge in our research there so we are definitely driving that direction we obviously are thinking about applications we are partnering with a few companies today but it's an area I would say stay tuned we are yet to fully articulate our plans outside but it's an area we are definitely committed to driving a lot of progress but I think AI ends up driving that massive progress in robotics the field has been held back i mean the hardware has made extraordinary progress the software had been the challenge but you know with AI now and the generalized models we are building getting them to work in the real world in a safe way in a generalized way is the frontier we're pushing pretty hard on