Exploring Earthing and Heart Health

Geetan, welcome to the podcast. It's really nice to be able to connect with you and thank you for your patience. I think this is our third attempt. Well, thank you for having me. I'm very pleased to be part of your audience and being able to share information with them. Yeah, and I think, you know, there's some really important information that we can share today. I guess to give some of our listeners a bit of context, I read a... paper that you published entitled Earthing, the human body reduces blood viscosity, a major factor in cardiovascular disease. And I just really, I found it really interesting. I was aware of earthing, but to see its impact from more of a cardiovascular perspective, it was the first time for me. But before we dive into it, are you happy maybe just to give a little bit of background into you, your journey and how you got into this work? Yes, definitely. So my background is engineering physics. I used to work at UCLA in the field of nuclear fusion and at some point in my career I had a big career change around 1993. I always was interested in health. My wife was, I studied as an aduropathic doctor. I had some minor health issues at the time, like hypoglycemia and things like that. So I always had an interest in health. And that brought me also to like spirituality and some movement like yoga and things like that to help, you know, my health be better. And so in 1993, so one of the co-workers of the give me information about the research done by a Japanese scientist named Hiroshi Motoyama. He was also a Shinto priest and basically the head of his Shinto brand of religion in Japan. So I read an article about the research he was doing in Japan on the chakras and the meridians. I got interested and met the man and found out that He had just started a school called California Institute for Human Science in Encinitas, which is in San Diego, North County. So, anyway, long story short, it turns out that we met and that he needed somebody with my background in engineering physics to help his students understand the basis of some of the machines that he has built, like One is called the AMI, the Apparatus for Meridian Identification, and some other equipment too. And so I started, you know, part-time there. And then finally, I was offered a full-time job. And I became, you know, faculty at the California Institute for Human Science. And that's where I met Clint Ober. He just showed up at some point and did a presentation on earthing. the benefit of hurting, that was like in 2002, 2003, where only one study has been done by him. And it was with a nurse. And there was no objective measures. It was just, you know, filling questionnaires. So he had good results, improvement in sleep and less pain and all of these things. But my background in engineering at that time just like came on me and said you know that seems too simple you know like you just put your feet on the ground and suddenly all this magic happened where you have no pain and you have no more energy and sleep better and I was kind of skeptical I said well you know uh it should have been discovered 100 years ago that was my thought actually it did but that's another story you And so I left it like that. So nothing would have happened if it was not one of his associates came to me and said, we want to do a research project for our thing and we're ready to pay for it. So being an open institute, open, you know, to studying things like chakras, meridians and all of these things. We said, OK. So we did our research. It turns out that we had really good results. Even the results that were not anticipated was a toning of the muscles of the body. which was unexpected because we found out that when the person is grounded, there's a kind of relaxation of the body that at the same time, the muscle were too tense, relaxed. Those who are too relaxed, tense. And there's some kind of peristaltic movement that takes 10 seconds, no, 20 seconds to do. Like the muscle contracts a little and relax and contracts and relax. And this is an autonomic nervous system reaction to basically judge the tonus of the muscle. So when we're not grounded, we're losing that. Because the body is like in some kind of emergency situation where there's a lack of nutrient, which is the ground, the electrons from the ground. So the body goes into a mode of saving energy, you know, saving the number of electrons to get the organs functioning. So the... the control of the tension of the muscle become a secondary effect. But we saw it never being reported anywhere else. Still skeptical. So we did another research project and because the one the reason I was skeptical with the first time is because all the equipment was grounded. So from my research you know I know that grounding loop can happen and they can change you know the values of what you're observing. So we repeated later the experiment with more sophisticated equipment, which was battery powered, send the information through fiber optics, and we still had an excellent result this time. I had two of my friends who had arthritis coming in, interested of the hands, seeing big improvement. One of them actually is mentioned in the book because his condition was like the pain from zero to 10, like zero. no pain and then you're one to scream to death uh he was at eight and he didn't show anything and said wow you're at eight said that's the way i live i mean medication doesn't work and i have to live that way and we put a patch on his hand we talked about 40 minutes me and clinton and after funny 40 minutes we asked him what's your pain he said interesting it's two or three nothing does that So, that's the study that convinced me. And so, we started publications there. Then, later on, Dr. Sinatra was doing an experiment in his own lab, if you will, on red blood cells. And with a microscope, he was doing red blood cell analysis. There was somebody expert there. And they saw that Most people have their red blood cells clumped together in what they call Rouleau formation. And so that makes the blood very thick and prevents also the red blood cell from going into the capillaries where they actually release the oxygen into the tissue. So that means that having the thick ketchup-like blood also prevents oxygen from going into the tissue. So it's very, very important. So he was doing this experiment and he found out that grounding people were grounded before and after grounding. There were a big change from like clumping red blood cells to, you know, released and freely moving red blood cells. And there was true for everybody who was there except one person, Clint Over. He already had good cells because. It's been grounded for years. So, and Dr. Sinatra wanted, let's say, if we can do a more formal paper on that. And I did some research and I found that there was this rheologist. So, rheology is the science of colloidal solutions. And colloidal solutions are solutions with not dissolved, non-dissolved particles in them. An example of a colloidal solution will be milk. So, and these, the particles in a colloidal solution have to have a charge so that they are separated and so that you can have the liquid with the particles in it. So that's why, for example, if you put acid on milk, you will have a coagulation of some of the solids that are in there. because they lose, you know, the negative charge. So we're studying that, and there was this rheologist. Rheology is very much used actually to purify waste waters from cities. So they have big facilities that run by specialists called rheologists. So one rheologist had written a text about how he had a cardiovascular problem and he wondered, he knew that the blood has red blood cells just in it. So it's a colloidal solution. So he said, what if I increase the charge and make the blood thinner? So he did that. And by drinking, like making soda diluted in water and things like that. And his cardiovascular function improved. So that gives me, and he used what they're measuring, is something called zeta potential, which actually it's... a method of measuring the charge at the surface of the red blood cells. So I decided to say, well, maybe I can measure zeta potential of blood. Turns out the equipment that exists are very expensive, twenty thousand, thirty thousand. So I decided to try to make my own. And in the paper, what you see is I made a very cheap one. It cost me 250 bucks and it worked very well. So that's where the paper comes from and that's where the idea of having a more objective measurement than looking at red blood cells and looking at rule of formation and which blood you know cell are still you know free or in rule of formation i did that in the paper anyway but i had something else which was i'm very pleased with the objective measurement of zeta potential and we found out that grounding only two hours increases the potential by 270%. So it's almost triple the charge on red blood cells. So everybody that is not grounded has thicker blood than they should have. We need grounding for the cardiovascular function to work properly. And this is like, it's quite paradigm shifting really, isn't it? I know that you talk about in the paper. The conventional approach, which is still, I guess, practiced by most people is thinking about LDL cholesterol, total cholesterol and these sorts of markers. And we've obviously got the evidence that we can take it one step further by thinking about oxidized LDL and some of those other biomarkers. But we're taking it one step further when we start thinking about sort of Zeta potential and blood cell aggregation and how and how earthing influences this. Yes. And now it's it's. researching more and more. I know that there is a group now, you see there's no simple easy way to measure blood viscosity. So but now it's becoming after you know publish the publishing of this paper some people got noticed and now it's becoming more and more of an interest in in the research laboratories. I know that the Connecticut University has a group developing a new simple device for measuring blood viscosity that is easy, that is simple. I know two other companies are also working on that. And so more and more articles come out about the importance of blood viscosity. Actually, it's way more important than all the other things. I mean, there's still controversies about LDL and how much do you do it. But the blood viscosity is non-controversial. You have higher blood viscosity, you have higher risk of cardiovascular problems. There's no buts and ifs. It's very, very simple, very clear. And you mentioned sort of in the study, you did two hours of earthing. and that led to an almost 300% increase. Do we have any data around how long that lasts for? Yes, there's another paper that was done with a researcher at UCSD, Paul Mills, and we found that in that paper, we're working with massage therapists. that were actually working at the Deepak Chopra Center that was located in Carlsbad at the time. And he had a massage therapist working there. And what they were grounded, I think, for a week or two. And we found that some positive effect on blood were still there a week after. But you have to ground for a couple of weeks to get some residual effect. If you just ground an hour, I think an hour later or two, it's gone. So basically, the more you ground, the more residual effect, even if you don't ground. That's why, you know, the simplest way for me is you ground at night, sleep grounded, and you don't have to worry during the day about it. If you want to ground more during the day, it's fine. For me, I ground when I'm at the computer also, because I found that it helps my energy. I spend long hours on computers. I'm trying to take some breaks now regularly. But I found that I... an additional earning time when I'm grounded is beneficial for you know me being able to work and get less tired. Yeah and I guess you know it's becoming so so much easier to be grounded while living a you know a modern lifestyle when we're inside and things like this we've got all sorts of different sort of gadgets and technology that can help us now. Yes. For example, I use a grounding mat as my mouse pad so that while I'm using my mouse, I'm grounded at the same time because I touch, you know, I touch the keyboard. The keyboard is on it. So I'm grounded this way. I also have a mat on my feet. So I ground this way. And when I spend time in the living room reading, things like that. I sit on another grounding mat. I mean for me, you know, it's like I'm part of the team so I can have as many mats or equipment as I like but it's not expensive, you know. A mat like this is about 70 bucks and if you have only that, you can do so much with it. You can sleep with it, you can sit on it, you can use it as a mouse pad, you can bring it to travel with you. And so it's very, very, very convenient. If you're stranded for expenses and you want, you know, and you're in a climate where you cannot spend an hour every day outside barefoot, then this is, I would say this is the most bang for the bucks. Yeah. Yeah, I have a mat under my desk for my feet and a sheet on the bed and then earthing sandals as well when I'm out and about. You're all set. Yeah. And I do, I think, you know, there were some interesting things I found when I put the sheet on my beds. I actually noticed that I was a lot warmer. Like I felt like my body temperature was actually way higher than it would have been normally, which I found quite interesting. Yeah. Well, I don't know how long you've been grounded, but yeah, it warms the body. If it warms a lot. So that means there's some reaction, detox reaction inside our bodies trying to work on, you know, normalizing some functions in the body and get rid of some of the toxins that normally stays in the body because the immune system doesn't have enough energy to take care of everything. So that's why, yeah, I mean, it's a big job that the immune system has. And also the elimination system, it takes energy to get rid. Because, you know, in the world that we live, there's so many ways we get toxins in our food. We have GMO. We have, you know, some preservation products. And then, you know, we have even in our cosmetic products some things that are, you know. And then we have in our air. We have all kinds of gas coming in. I mean, we have lots of reasons, you know. to help our immune system and our body systems to get rid of much of the toxicity. For example, Paul Mills, the same researcher I did research with the Deep Actual Pro Center, he did a research on glyphosate. And this year in San Diego, he measured people, the level of glyphosate in people. He couldn't find a single person without glyphosate in their system. We all do. And if the body is not... healthy enough, it will not break the glyphosate. But a healthy body can break up the glyphosates and get rid of it. So it's very important to be healthy and to give your immune system as much boost as you like, because we have lots of toxins in our bodies, and the bodies of most people are struggling. So that's another reason. So we have toxicity on one side, and when we're not grounding, we're accumulating positive charge. So basically, we have what they call smoldering inflammation. It's like low-key inflammation that's slowly built up because the oxidative stress in the body increases because there's not enough electrons to neutralize. reactive oxygen species and all of that stuff. So at some point, you know, in time, normally, now apparently it happens sooner. I think it's because they're more toxin, you know. It used to happen around 60. People start to have like health issues, arthritis, diabetes. Now we have Alzheimer's, autoimmune disease. All of these, even cardiovascular problems and cancers, all of these have inflammation as a component that allow them to happen. And what you get depends on your lifestyle, on your genetics, on your mental state. All of these play a role if you're going to have arthritis or Alzheimer's or dementia. All of these things, you know, even we found out that. autism also has an inflammatory component so you we found that earthing just have children play in the ground outside has a huge positive effect you know on autism we found in fact that that's that's in the earthing book okay amazing yeah i mean it's interesting because one thing i found really fascinating is that the first research project was done by Clint over in 2000 on earthing. Even though it started before the first research was in the year 2000 researchers, medical researchers started to study and found out that inflammation has a big part of cardiovascular diseases in formation of plaque. And that started that year too started a frenzy of research in medical research. about the effect of inflammation on the body. And they found out it's everywhere. I mean, it's behind, you know, all of these diseases. I remember in 2004, it was on the cover of Time magazine. You know, inflammation, the new discovery of the fire in your body that, you know, caused tons of problems. I still have a copy of that. I kept it. But it wasn't. I mean, it became a big thing. And interesting that the two movements, the discovery and inflammation in the solution grew up at the same time. Yeah. And I guess, you know, with everything you share there around everything from detoxification to the immune system and sort of inflammation, is there quite a simplistic level, sort of this idea that when we're earthing or grounding, as many of us know, there's that sort of. take up of free electrons from the surface of the earth. And we're kind of, I guess, giving cells both antioxidants, but also in some ways, just more energy. Is that right? So one of the reasons we're able to have improved physiological function, including maybe things like detox, is partly from an energetic mitochondrial perspective. Yes, it is. And in fact, we're doing research on the effect of 13 on mitochondrial function as we speak. Oh, wow. But we do have three papers by Jim Ashman on his hypothesis, which I think are very right on. And now that we're researching on the effect of being grounded on mitochondrial function, because there's something, you know, mitochondria, there's a lot of. information on how the importance of oxygen, you know, when breathing and having lots of oxygen for mitochondrial function, but it's not sufficient. you need electrons. There's something called the electron transport chain. And if there's not enough electron, that chain, you know, is not providing enough electrons because at the end, in the end, the energy is not stored in the oxygen. It's stored in electrons into these triphosphates. So there's three molecules there that actually have electrons with them. high energy and so it's called the 8 the 8 dp which is depleted it's recharged and it's like a truck you know coming in has it's empty you charge it and then it become atp and that the source of energy of the body well where the energy of the atp is located it's located in those three phosphate molecules that have electrons in an excited state so when they go out they can the electrons can give energy and at the same time they are antioxidant. They have different functions but that's one of the functions and that function is essential for the cells to have energy to do their functions and one of them is eliminate waste that are inside the cell. If you don't do that the cells become sluggish then you get tired. So, yes, it's a big role. It is one of the role, but besides inflammation, you know, so inflammation is another thing altogether. I mean, it's like, you know, you've got a cut on your hand and then you have the immune system coming in and, you know, the bacteria come in, things like that. The white blood cell engulf them or pour acid on them. And all of these things are. acidic actually, so that means that they lack electrons, so they kill the bacteria by stealing electrons from bacteria. So when you pour an acid on a wooden table, why does it dissolve? Because everything in the world, every object is held together by an exchange of electrons. I mean, the structure of the wood itself is electrons exchanged between different atoms and molecules. So you bring something that's still the electrons and the structure fall apart. So it's the same thing. So the immune system used that because, I mean, nature is wise. They knew that we have plenty of electrons to mop up the mess after that. So, I mean, we grew up naked, you know, in contact with the earth. I mean, that's millions of years of development like that. So, so. The body says, well, we always have electrons, so we're going to be able to mop up and neutralize all of this stuff. But now we're living in a modern world with plastic shoes and rubber soles and houses built of wood, and we're disconnected all the time. Just by breathing air, you're breathing in positive ions because the air is charged positively. The more you go up in the atmosphere, the more positive the air is charged. where you're in an airplane 30,000 feet high, I mean you're breathing a lot more positive charge than you would at the sea level. And there's an interesting research done about why people are sicker in the higher level of high-rise building than the floor ones. And they're still pondering, you know, maybe, you know, the air that you know the air circulation system is dirty all of this and that but one explanation that is not look at is the air there you know the air is thousands of volts up there you know that there is a huge potential difference so the the earth is a battery basically that's why we have electrons at the surface of the of the earth Well, that means that there's another place where you have positive ions. And that is about 60 miles up or 100 kilometers up in the atmosphere in a layer of the atmosphere called the ionosphere. The ion, ion, ionosphere is named from ions, which is charged molecule. So there's a very complex system that is actually powered by the sun where we are the same. I mean, everything is so exquisite, you know, and really intelligently based. It's amazing. At the same time that this layer is protecting us from UV light, the UV light is used to break up, you know, air molecules. making them into positive and negative ions. And then they go into thunderstorms where there's a process, a mechanical process, that's a charge separation where the negative charge are pushed down. And this system builds up and builds up and builds up the electric potential there to a point where it could be millions of volts between... the bottom part of the cloud and the surface of the earth. And then at this point, we have a big electrostatic discharge that we call lightning. It's the same thing that happens when you walk on the carpet and you have a knob there in dry weather. You walk on the carpet and you touch the knob and you have this spark coming up. It's the same process that happens. Imagine the voltage that it takes to... make a spark that big. Millions of volts. And that's why when we feel when there is a lightning and a thunderstorm, we feel that there's some electricity in the air. It's absolutely right. Absolutely true. You know the voltage is absolutely amazing. And that's how what this lightning does is transferring electrons to the surface of the earth. And that's recharging. the earth all the time. If this, if all the thunderstorms would seize, you know, all simultaneously on the world, it would take only an hour to discharge the earth. We would have no battery. It's constantly replenished, constantly. And the big regions where that replenish that energy is actually the thunderstorm in South America. and in Africa. So that's why it's so important to be careful about how we do there. You know, cutting all the trees and everything, I don't know, I mean it's like we're cutting our lungs, we're cutting our lifeline, I don't know. It seems to me that we don't know exactly what we're doing, you know, it's like playing, you know, the what is that, the apprentice, you know, and it's... I don't know. But that's where most of the lightning happens. Yeah. And what you're sharing there around the ionosphere and the negative charge on the surface, it sounds like it's incredibly connected with the Schumann resonance as well. Yes. Well, it's interesting because the lightnings are the ones who generate Schumann resonance. When you have these huge lightnings coming in, the generated electromagnetic field that travel around the Earth. And in simple mathematics, if you look at the surface of the Earth, okay, let's say that the circumference of the Earth is 25,000 miles or 40,000 kilometers, right, roughly, and you take the speed of light, which is 300,000 kilometers per second, 186,000 miles per second. You divide the circumference by the speed of light, okay, and you get 7.8, which is exactly the Schumann resonance. So the lightning goes 7.8 times around the surface of the Earth, and it's bounced back because of the ionosphere cannot go out. So it bounced back around, and that creates the Schumann resonance. Now... Another interesting thing is that the Schumann resonance at 7.8 hertz or cycle per second is right between the alpha and the alpha and theta frequencies band of the brain function. So that means that this frequency, the body is especially attuned to it. to relax and make the brain function in a calm manner. That's why when you go in, even if you're not grounded, when you go outside, you do like hiking in the woods and you feel so much calmer. We're attuning with the Schumann resonance. And we are in our homes. What is the frequency, the basic frequencies that we have in our home? The basic frequency is the power line, you know, the power energy coming in. It's at 60 hertz. I mean, even the brain, when it functions, you know, You are, you know, in like the mode we are now, you know, very focused outside and everything. And you go into the beta mode that goes up to about 30 hertz. So 60 hertz is very stimulating to too much stimulation, too high frequencies. People get frenzy. I'm sure that it creates, you know, why we have this society where everything has to be fast, fast, fast, fast, fast. we're pushed you know without knowing it we are you know we are pushed subconsciously to oh this is a record this is etc by the energy we are submitted to it so that's my theory it hasn't been proven but uh i think it's too fast we should have um you know make um at least you know no more than 10 hertz then it would be it would have been okay but you know It was chosen by Tesla, actually. Maybe he had some reasons for doing it this way. Right. But I mean, I think, you know, if you just look at the world and you look at people living in really rural environments compared to people living in inner cities, like there is that energetic, obvious difference there. Yeah. They feel much calmer. It's like, okay. Yeah. I mean, even they're talking more slowly. yeah expressive um etc um so it it resonates with your theory ultimately for sure i'm trying to base my theory on observations um i guess one thing we haven't i don't think directly touched on is i think i'm only saying there's a reasonable amount of research that's looking at earthing and just its impact on heart rate variability which If we wanted a sort of a global biomarker of resiliency and health and everything you've been talking about from reducing inflammation to improving circulation, that's just another example of its impact. Yes, heart rate variability measures the autonomic nervous function balance in the body. So you want to have certain balance, you know. So what happened is that the autonomic nervous, so we have the nervous system, a different branch. One is the autonomic nervous system, which functions to control the internal organ. Another one is the muscle system that controls muscles and stuff like that. But if we're focusing on the autonomic nervous system, it has two branches, the parasympathetic branch and the sympathetic branch. And they're kind of like controlling the function of internal organs. Because... If a lion runs after you, you need the energy in a different place than if you are digesting. So what happens is the autonomic nervous system, the sympathetic branch, when it gets activated, it's the flight-or-fight response. The energy goes into the muscle, and the digestive functions are shut down. And also the repair mechanisms are shut down. And the energy there is on the muscle for you to end the brain so that... you are aware and you can run and you can take the proper action. But when you go into parasympathetic mode, when you relax, when you digest, it promotes that digestion, takes the energy away from the muscle, put that into the digestive system so that you can digest during the day. And during the night, it puts energy into the repair mechanisms of the body so that the body can repair itself. That's why sleeping is so important because if you don't sleep, no repair happens in your body or very little. Some happen because, of course, you heal from injuries and things like that. But it's much less effective than if you are sleeping. So there's this balance always between flight or fight being, you know, and the heart rate variability is a very good measure of that. And the heart function also depends on that. We found another thing also that is related to the autonomic nervous system function. It's called skin conductance. We found that the electrical conductivity of the skin, which is used, by the way, in light detection, is very sensitive to our mood and how we think. Like, if I ask you a question, did you kill somebody? And you did, and you know, no, nothing happened. You're going to have a physiological reaction. that we can monitor. And that's why Cleve Baxter and others came up with a lie detection that includes that function. Now what we found that is interesting is that within a second of grounding and sometimes two, it depends on the person. We found a relaxation, basically an increase in autonomic nervous function in the parasympathetic mode. It's like there's a relaxation that happened in the system. It's like the body's saying, oh I'm grounded now, oh I can relax. So there's a relaxation that happened immediately and then that's where we started them. you know, to see now it's take care of the function of the muscle and things like that, make sure that everything functions properly. And then it waits about 20 minutes. And when it says, oh, we're grounded for good. So we're getting this energy. After 20, 30 minutes, we found that the body started working on inflammation. And we have papers on that. There's a paper by Dr. Amalu on our website about thermography research. showing it takes about 30 minutes for inflammation to go away in the body in general. But if you want to have inflammation going quicker, you have inflammation of the knee, then it's better to ground the knee first because the electrons were coming in there and will, you know, work on that inflammation first because inflammation is about positive charge, you know. The body, when there's too much positive charge, the body tries to dilute. they discharge by putting fluid there. So that's why they're swelling. So you can avoid all that by having electrons coming in, which is the power of antioxidants themselves. When you take antioxidants, what do you think? You take substances that have extra electrons that will actually quench inflammation in your body. But I mean, the body is designed to do that naturally by being grounded. It's the most powerful antioxidant is being grounded. And in fact, we're designing in such a way that we eat food that has been grounded. They should be charged with electrons. And there's a device called that you can buy. It's like a pen like thing. It's called oxidation reduction potential measure measuring device that you can stick in the fruits and stuff like that. And if it's negative, that means it's full of electrons. You can eat it and you get energy. If it's positive, it's going to. Maybe you get some nutrient, but it's going to deplete you from energy because it's going to steal some of your electrons. And I bet if I've not done that, I have the instrument, but I've not done that systematically. But I'm sure that if you take, you know, an apple from a farmer versus an apple from the store, there's probably a difference in the content of electrons in there. Where do you get this device from? Oh, you're going to get it at Amazon anywhere. Really? I mean, all over. You can go on the internet, oxidation reduction potential measuring device. And it's fun, you know, to do. But, you know, but see, being grounded, I'm not worried too much about the fruits being not on the, you know. the store to be not so grounded, you know, or having had some more positive, because I get all the positive negative charges all the time. But you know, that's where we were, that's where we come from. Eating food that is being grounded and being grounded all the time. So we had plenty of electrons all the time available to us. And the same with all animals. So that's why all animals, you know, they have the same, you know, immune system that was developed. protect us because of the ability of these electrons to basically, you know, keep the body in balance. Yeah. A question I wanted to ask much earlier, and I forgot to, and I'm going to ask it now, because I'll forget it again, is if you're using these sort of grounding earthing mats, is it okay to wear clothes, socks? Do we have to be? Sort of, does it have to be skin contact or is it just optimal to have skin contact? Optimal to have skin contact. But let's say that you sit on a mat. Eventually, the mat is like rubber-like, you know, it's like a leather. And the perspiration will not evaporate. So there will be perspiration that will impregnate the clothing, you know, that you have. And that will make a conducting pad. for the electrons coming to your body. That's why you can sleep, you know, you can have, you know, a mat, a letter type mat on your bed and you put a sheet on it. A thin sheet is better. Cotton or, you know, natural fabrics is much better. And then you see after 5-10 minutes, if you measure right there, you're not going to be grounded. It's going to be, oh, it's not working, it's not grounded. But keep your hands there for 5-10 minutes. You're going to see that the context gets established. There's a good video done by a doctor, Andrew Doan, who demonstrates that, that is available on YouTube. Okay. And so, optimal i mean if you can i don't i personally don't sleep you know in direct contact with the mat on my bed i put a little sheet on top of it yeah uh and you can check it it's working very well after 10 minutes no problem and you can check that as well can't you so you talked about the uh the oxidation reduction potential measuring device thingy Yes, yes. But there are devices that you can get to sort of check your, I guess, is it your voltage ultimately that you're looking at? Well, there's a call, a continuity tester that didn't overcompany everything that comes out. Other companies sell it too. It's called a continuity tester. It can test the continuity. So that means if there is a close path and if your device is actually working. by just being conducted. But it can also be used to check if you are grounded. If you use an outlet for example and you use two different outlets of your house, then it goes through the grounding system of your house and then you can check also if you are grounded. But you don't have to. If you just want to check the products, make a closed circuit including the continuity tester. So you can have, for example, the mat, and a mat has a cord that is connected on one side of the continuity tester. You put your thumb on the other part of the continuity tester, and you touch the mat, and you close the circuit, and then you're going to be able, you should have a green light. Okay. You can do it using volt meters if you are more savvy. And you get more precise information. You can measure the exact resistance of the whole system and things like that. But for the most people, it's sufficient to have this continuity tester, see the green light, you're good. Okay, excellent. Is there anything that we haven't sort of covered, Gaten, that you think we should cover? Well, there's another subject that is interesting that we have not covered. is jet lag. Ah. So let's say that you are in England and you're visiting me in California. So you might have problems sleeping, you know, the hour change and everything. There's an easy way to get rid of that. Put your feet on the ground for 30 minutes. Bear free on the ground for 30 minutes at the new occasion. The body blocks will reset to the local time. And it's like, okay, I know where I am. You're going to sleep just like if you were in England. No jet lag. We have so many people reporting that to us. Wow. This is a little trick. What's the mechanism that we think is happening there? Well, it's because the electrons in the Earth are not just sitting there doing nothing. They're vibrating at different vibrations. For example, the Schumann resonance is one of the things that vibrate them. But also there's a circadian rhythm, like when the sun shines on a region of the earth, it energizes those electrons. And compared to the electrons outside that zone or not energized, it will create current that's what we call telluric current. You know, you probably heard of these telluric current. They're earth current. And so these also have frequencies. and the body having in being in contact evolve in contact with your for millions of years know how to synchronize itself to those and those frequencies and knows if you are during the day of the night when you are in contact with the earth so all you have to do is your buddy have your buddy you know in contact with the earth will read the frequencies there and say oh it's about news and during the day we're not sleeping. Wow. And it will generate, you know, the cortisol and... melatonin and all of these things in accordance we found that it regulates the circadian rhythm of cortisol for example. Yes that's really good to know I'm coming to California in June so you know what to do now yeah I know which part of California? I am going to be about half an hour north of San Diego Oh, I see. So, yeah, very close to... Are you based there as well? I'm based in the San Diego North County. Okay. So which part of... You don't remember the name? No, I should remember. San Clemente? Let's have a little look. I've got it right here. So I should be able to tell you relatively quickly. I'm trying to find a travel document. It's something like Incentas. I can't quite, does that ring any bells? Encinitas or something like that. Encinitas? Encinitas, yes, that sounds like it. That's where I live. That's where I live. Encinitas, that's where you're coming. That's where I'm coming. Maybe we can meet. Yeah, that would be lovely. Let me know when you're coming. Yeah, I'm going to be there the first week of June. Okay, I should be here. Perfect. I'll drop you an email. It would be nice to connect in person. after today yeah i know nice place nice restaurants and things i know well the area so your guy thank you very much uh gay town has been really a real pleasure to be able to speak with you and i've learned a lot a lot more around earthing and grounding today so thank you very much thank you well thank you for having me it was quick we covered a lot of subject quickly there's a lot more to each subject if you want no more about each subject, I suggest you go to the Earthing Institute website, where we have everything, all the research projects. We have frequently asked questions, where all the questions that we have for 20 years, I put there and we answered them. And we just started a certification course that will actually be offered next week, where people can take that course for $49. Level 1 will teach you all the basics of earthing and then you get a certificate, level 1 certificate from the Earthing Institute. And we found out that people who want, for example, to sell earthing products or health practitioners who want to talk about earthing, they're asking us to get this certification so that people can have confidence that they have knowledge, at least basic knowledge. on everything and what it does so we have three level level one level two level three so we're offering level one starting next week next month we'll have level two and level three the month after and then they will be permanently available for people amazing and we're planning even to have a level four basically which will be more like for people who completed level three it's more like a forum where we can talk about more advanced topics. Okay, excellent. I will definitely keep an eye out for that then as well. Gaitan, thank you so much. I will absolutely be reaching out to you about Dune and I'll share those links like the Institute's out in the show notes so people will be able to access all that information really easily. We also have a Facebook page with more than 8,000 people called Earthing Insiders. You can ask all questions there. They advantage there. And you'll have people who live what you're going through, telling you how they get out of it, how they solve their problem. It's a very, very useful tool. Amazing. Excellence. I will add that as well. Okay, so thank you so much. Thank you. Hopefully speak to you soon. Yes. All right. Thank you for having me again. And it was a pleasure talking with you. Likewise. Thanks, Gaten. Thank you. Bye.

Geetan, welcome to the podcast. It's really nice to be able to connect with you and thank you for your patience. I think this is our third attempt. Well, thank you for having me.

I'm very pleased to be part of your audience and being able to share information with them. Yeah, and I think, you know, there's some really important information that we can share today. I guess to give some of our listeners a bit of context, I read a... paper that you published entitled Earthing, the human body reduces blood viscosity, a major factor in cardiovascular disease. And I just really, I found it really interesting.

I was aware of earthing, but to see its impact from more of a cardiovascular perspective, it was the first time for me. But before we dive into it, are you happy maybe just to give a little bit of background into you, your journey and how you got into this work? Yes, definitely. So my background is engineering physics. I used to work at UCLA in the field of nuclear fusion and at some point in my career I had a big career change around 1993. I always was interested in health.

My wife was, I studied as an aduropathic doctor. I had some minor health issues at the time, like hypoglycemia and things like that. So I always had an interest in health.

And that brought me also to like spirituality and some movement like yoga and things like that to help, you know, my health be better. And so in 1993, so one of the co-workers of the give me information about the research done by a Japanese scientist named Hiroshi Motoyama. He was also a Shinto priest and basically the head of his Shinto brand of religion in Japan.

So I read an article about the research he was doing in Japan on the chakras and the meridians. I got interested and met the man and found out that He had just started a school called California Institute for Human Science in Encinitas, which is in San Diego, North County. So, anyway, long story short, it turns out that we met and that he needed somebody with my background in engineering physics to help his students understand the basis of some of the machines that he has built, like One is called the AMI, the Apparatus for Meridian Identification, and some other equipment too. And so I started, you know, part-time there. And then finally, I was offered a full-time job.

And I became, you know, faculty at the California Institute for Human Science. And that's where I met Clint Ober. He just showed up at some point and did a presentation on earthing. the benefit of hurting, that was like in 2002, 2003, where only one study has been done by him. And it was with a nurse.

And there was no objective measures. It was just, you know, filling questionnaires. So he had good results, improvement in sleep and less pain and all of these things. But my background in engineering at that time just like came on me and said you know that seems too simple you know like you just put your feet on the ground and suddenly all this magic happened where you have no pain and you have no more energy and sleep better and I was kind of skeptical I said well you know uh it should have been discovered 100 years ago that was my thought actually it did but that's another story you And so I left it like that. So nothing would have happened if it was not one of his associates came to me and said, we want to do a research project for our thing and we're ready to pay for it.

So being an open institute, open, you know, to studying things like chakras, meridians and all of these things. We said, OK. So we did our research. It turns out that we had really good results. Even the results that were not anticipated was a toning of the muscles of the body.

which was unexpected because we found out that when the person is grounded, there's a kind of relaxation of the body that at the same time, the muscle were too tense, relaxed. Those who are too relaxed, tense. And there's some kind of peristaltic movement that takes 10 seconds, no, 20 seconds to do.

Like the muscle contracts a little and relax and contracts and relax. And this is an autonomic nervous system reaction to basically judge the tonus of the muscle. So when we're not grounded, we're losing that. Because the body is like in some kind of emergency situation where there's a lack of nutrient, which is the ground, the electrons from the ground. So the body goes into a mode of saving energy, you know, saving the number of electrons to get the organs functioning.

So the... the control of the tension of the muscle become a secondary effect. But we saw it never being reported anywhere else.

Still skeptical. So we did another research project and because the one the reason I was skeptical with the first time is because all the equipment was grounded. So from my research you know I know that grounding loop can happen and they can change you know the values of what you're observing. So we repeated later the experiment with more sophisticated equipment, which was battery powered, send the information through fiber optics, and we still had an excellent result this time.

I had two of my friends who had arthritis coming in, interested of the hands, seeing big improvement. One of them actually is mentioned in the book because his condition was like the pain from zero to 10, like zero. no pain and then you're one to scream to death uh he was at eight and he didn't show anything and said wow you're at eight said that's the way i live i mean medication doesn't work and i have to live that way and we put a patch on his hand we talked about 40 minutes me and clinton and after funny 40 minutes we asked him what's your pain he said interesting it's two or three nothing does that So, that's the study that convinced me.

And so, we started publications there. Then, later on, Dr. Sinatra was doing an experiment in his own lab, if you will, on red blood cells. And with a microscope, he was doing red blood cell analysis.

There was somebody expert there. And they saw that Most people have their red blood cells clumped together in what they call Rouleau formation. And so that makes the blood very thick and prevents also the red blood cell from going into the capillaries where they actually release the oxygen into the tissue.

So that means that having the thick ketchup-like blood also prevents oxygen from going into the tissue. So it's very, very important. So he was doing this experiment and he found out that grounding people were grounded before and after grounding. There were a big change from like clumping red blood cells to, you know, released and freely moving red blood cells.

And there was true for everybody who was there except one person, Clint Over. He already had good cells because. It's been grounded for years. So, and Dr. Sinatra wanted, let's say, if we can do a more formal paper on that.

And I did some research and I found that there was this rheologist. So, rheology is the science of colloidal solutions. And colloidal solutions are solutions with not dissolved, non-dissolved particles in them.

An example of a colloidal solution will be milk. So, and these, the particles in a colloidal solution have to have a charge so that they are separated and so that you can have the liquid with the particles in it. So that's why, for example, if you put acid on milk, you will have a coagulation of some of the solids that are in there.

because they lose, you know, the negative charge. So we're studying that, and there was this rheologist. Rheology is very much used actually to purify waste waters from cities.

So they have big facilities that run by specialists called rheologists. So one rheologist had written a text about how he had a cardiovascular problem and he wondered, he knew that the blood has red blood cells just in it. So it's a colloidal solution.

So he said, what if I increase the charge and make the blood thinner? So he did that. And by drinking, like making soda diluted in water and things like that.

And his cardiovascular function improved. So that gives me, and he used what they're measuring, is something called zeta potential, which actually it's... a method of measuring the charge at the surface of the red blood cells.

So I decided to say, well, maybe I can measure zeta potential of blood. Turns out the equipment that exists are very expensive, twenty thousand, thirty thousand. So I decided to try to make my own.

And in the paper, what you see is I made a very cheap one. It cost me 250 bucks and it worked very well. So that's where the paper comes from and that's where the idea of having a more objective measurement than looking at red blood cells and looking at rule of formation and which blood you know cell are still you know free or in rule of formation i did that in the paper anyway but i had something else which was i'm very pleased with the objective measurement of zeta potential and we found out that grounding only two hours increases the potential by 270%.

So it's almost triple the charge on red blood cells. So everybody that is not grounded has thicker blood than they should have. We need grounding for the cardiovascular function to work properly. And this is like, it's quite paradigm shifting really, isn't it?

I know that you talk about in the paper. The conventional approach, which is still, I guess, practiced by most people is thinking about LDL cholesterol, total cholesterol and these sorts of markers. And we've obviously got the evidence that we can take it one step further by thinking about oxidized LDL and some of those other biomarkers.

But we're taking it one step further when we start thinking about sort of Zeta potential and blood cell aggregation and how and how earthing influences this. Yes. And now it's it's.

researching more and more. I know that there is a group now, you see there's no simple easy way to measure blood viscosity. So but now it's becoming after you know publish the publishing of this paper some people got noticed and now it's becoming more and more of an interest in in the research laboratories.

I know that the Connecticut University has a group developing a new simple device for measuring blood viscosity that is easy, that is simple. I know two other companies are also working on that. And so more and more articles come out about the importance of blood viscosity.

Actually, it's way more important than all the other things. I mean, there's still controversies about LDL and how much do you do it. But the blood viscosity is non-controversial. You have higher blood viscosity, you have higher risk of cardiovascular problems.

There's no buts and ifs. It's very, very simple, very clear. And you mentioned sort of in the study, you did two hours of earthing.

and that led to an almost 300% increase. Do we have any data around how long that lasts for? Yes, there's another paper that was done with a researcher at UCSD, Paul Mills, and we found that in that paper, we're working with massage therapists. that were actually working at the Deepak Chopra Center that was located in Carlsbad at the time. And he had a massage therapist working there.

And what they were grounded, I think, for a week or two. And we found that some positive effect on blood were still there a week after. But you have to ground for a couple of weeks to get some residual effect.

If you just ground an hour, I think an hour later or two, it's gone. So basically, the more you ground, the more residual effect, even if you don't ground. That's why, you know, the simplest way for me is you ground at night, sleep grounded, and you don't have to worry during the day about it. If you want to ground more during the day, it's fine.

For me, I ground when I'm at the computer also, because I found that it helps my energy. I spend long hours on computers. I'm trying to take some breaks now regularly. But I found that I...

an additional earning time when I'm grounded is beneficial for you know me being able to work and get less tired. Yeah and I guess you know it's becoming so so much easier to be grounded while living a you know a modern lifestyle when we're inside and things like this we've got all sorts of different sort of gadgets and technology that can help us now. Yes. For example, I use a grounding mat as my mouse pad so that while I'm using my mouse, I'm grounded at the same time because I touch, you know, I touch the keyboard.

The keyboard is on it. So I'm grounded this way. I also have a mat on my feet. So I ground this way. And when I spend time in the living room reading, things like that.

I sit on another grounding mat. I mean for me, you know, it's like I'm part of the team so I can have as many mats or equipment as I like but it's not expensive, you know. A mat like this is about 70 bucks and if you have only that, you can do so much with it. You can sleep with it, you can sit on it, you can use it as a mouse pad, you can bring it to travel with you. And so it's very, very, very convenient.

If you're stranded for expenses and you want, you know, and you're in a climate where you cannot spend an hour every day outside barefoot, then this is, I would say this is the most bang for the bucks. Yeah. Yeah, I have a mat under my desk for my feet and a sheet on the bed and then earthing sandals as well when I'm out and about. You're all set. Yeah.

And I do, I think, you know, there were some interesting things I found when I put the sheet on my beds. I actually noticed that I was a lot warmer. Like I felt like my body temperature was actually way higher than it would have been normally, which I found quite interesting.

Yeah. Well, I don't know how long you've been grounded, but yeah, it warms the body. If it warms a lot. So that means there's some reaction, detox reaction inside our bodies trying to work on, you know, normalizing some functions in the body and get rid of some of the toxins that normally stays in the body because the immune system doesn't have enough energy to take care of everything.

So that's why, yeah, I mean, it's a big job that the immune system has. And also the elimination system, it takes energy to get rid. Because, you know, in the world that we live, there's so many ways we get toxins in our food.

We have GMO. We have, you know, some preservation products. And then, you know, we have even in our cosmetic products some things that are, you know.

And then we have in our air. We have all kinds of gas coming in. I mean, we have lots of reasons, you know. to help our immune system and our body systems to get rid of much of the toxicity. For example, Paul Mills, the same researcher I did research with the Deep Actual Pro Center, he did a research on glyphosate.

And this year in San Diego, he measured people, the level of glyphosate in people. He couldn't find a single person without glyphosate in their system. We all do.

And if the body is not... healthy enough, it will not break the glyphosate. But a healthy body can break up the glyphosates and get rid of it. So it's very important to be healthy and to give your immune system as much boost as you like, because we have lots of toxins in our bodies, and the bodies of most people are struggling. So that's another reason.

So we have toxicity on one side, and when we're not grounding, we're accumulating positive charge. So basically, we have what they call smoldering inflammation. It's like low-key inflammation that's slowly built up because the oxidative stress in the body increases because there's not enough electrons to neutralize.

reactive oxygen species and all of that stuff. So at some point, you know, in time, normally, now apparently it happens sooner. I think it's because they're more toxin, you know.

It used to happen around 60. People start to have like health issues, arthritis, diabetes. Now we have Alzheimer's, autoimmune disease. All of these, even cardiovascular problems and cancers, all of these have inflammation as a component that allow them to happen.

And what you get depends on your lifestyle, on your genetics, on your mental state. All of these play a role if you're going to have arthritis or Alzheimer's or dementia. All of these things, you know, even we found out that. autism also has an inflammatory component so you we found that earthing just have children play in the ground outside has a huge positive effect you know on autism we found in fact that that's that's in the earthing book okay amazing yeah i mean it's interesting because one thing i found really fascinating is that the first research project was done by Clint over in 2000 on earthing. Even though it started before the first research was in the year 2000 researchers, medical researchers started to study and found out that inflammation has a big part of cardiovascular diseases in formation of plaque.

And that started that year too started a frenzy of research in medical research. about the effect of inflammation on the body. And they found out it's everywhere. I mean, it's behind, you know, all of these diseases. I remember in 2004, it was on the cover of Time magazine.

You know, inflammation, the new discovery of the fire in your body that, you know, caused tons of problems. I still have a copy of that. I kept it.

But it wasn't. I mean, it became a big thing. And interesting that the two movements, the discovery and inflammation in the solution grew up at the same time.

Yeah. And I guess, you know, with everything you share there around everything from detoxification to the immune system and sort of inflammation, is there quite a simplistic level, sort of this idea that when we're earthing or grounding, as many of us know, there's that sort of. take up of free electrons from the surface of the earth. And we're kind of, I guess, giving cells both antioxidants, but also in some ways, just more energy.

Is that right? So one of the reasons we're able to have improved physiological function, including maybe things like detox, is partly from an energetic mitochondrial perspective. Yes, it is.

And in fact, we're doing research on the effect of 13 on mitochondrial function as we speak. Oh, wow. But we do have three papers by Jim Ashman on his hypothesis, which I think are very right on. And now that we're researching on the effect of being grounded on mitochondrial function, because there's something, you know, mitochondria, there's a lot of. information on how the importance of oxygen, you know, when breathing and having lots of oxygen for mitochondrial function, but it's not sufficient.

you need electrons. There's something called the electron transport chain. And if there's not enough electron, that chain, you know, is not providing enough electrons because at the end, in the end, the energy is not stored in the oxygen. It's stored in electrons into these triphosphates. So there's three molecules there that actually have electrons with them.

high energy and so it's called the 8 the 8 dp which is depleted it's recharged and it's like a truck you know coming in has it's empty you charge it and then it become atp and that the source of energy of the body well where the energy of the atp is located it's located in those three phosphate molecules that have electrons in an excited state so when they go out they can the electrons can give energy and at the same time they are antioxidant. They have different functions but that's one of the functions and that function is essential for the cells to have energy to do their functions and one of them is eliminate waste that are inside the cell. If you don't do that the cells become sluggish then you get tired.

So, yes, it's a big role. It is one of the role, but besides inflammation, you know, so inflammation is another thing altogether. I mean, it's like, you know, you've got a cut on your hand and then you have the immune system coming in and, you know, the bacteria come in, things like that. The white blood cell engulf them or pour acid on them.

And all of these things are. acidic actually, so that means that they lack electrons, so they kill the bacteria by stealing electrons from bacteria. So when you pour an acid on a wooden table, why does it dissolve? Because everything in the world, every object is held together by an exchange of electrons.

I mean, the structure of the wood itself is electrons exchanged between different atoms and molecules. So you bring something that's still the electrons and the structure fall apart. So it's the same thing.

So the immune system used that because, I mean, nature is wise. They knew that we have plenty of electrons to mop up the mess after that. So, I mean, we grew up naked, you know, in contact with the earth. I mean, that's millions of years of development like that.

So, so. The body says, well, we always have electrons, so we're going to be able to mop up and neutralize all of this stuff. But now we're living in a modern world with plastic shoes and rubber soles and houses built of wood, and we're disconnected all the time. Just by breathing air, you're breathing in positive ions because the air is charged positively.

The more you go up in the atmosphere, the more positive the air is charged. where you're in an airplane 30,000 feet high, I mean you're breathing a lot more positive charge than you would at the sea level. And there's an interesting research done about why people are sicker in the higher level of high-rise building than the floor ones. And they're still pondering, you know, maybe, you know, the air that you know the air circulation system is dirty all of this and that but one explanation that is not look at is the air there you know the air is thousands of volts up there you know that there is a huge potential difference so the the earth is a battery basically that's why we have electrons at the surface of the of the earth Well, that means that there's another place where you have positive ions.

And that is about 60 miles up or 100 kilometers up in the atmosphere in a layer of the atmosphere called the ionosphere. The ion, ion, ionosphere is named from ions, which is charged molecule. So there's a very complex system that is actually powered by the sun where we are the same.

I mean, everything is so exquisite, you know, and really intelligently based. It's amazing. At the same time that this layer is protecting us from UV light, the UV light is used to break up, you know, air molecules. making them into positive and negative ions. And then they go into thunderstorms where there's a process, a mechanical process, that's a charge separation where the negative charge are pushed down.

And this system builds up and builds up and builds up the electric potential there to a point where it could be millions of volts between... the bottom part of the cloud and the surface of the earth. And then at this point, we have a big electrostatic discharge that we call lightning. It's the same thing that happens when you walk on the carpet and you have a knob there in dry weather.

You walk on the carpet and you touch the knob and you have this spark coming up. It's the same process that happens. Imagine the voltage that it takes to...

make a spark that big. Millions of volts. And that's why when we feel when there is a lightning and a thunderstorm, we feel that there's some electricity in the air. It's absolutely right. Absolutely true.

You know the voltage is absolutely amazing. And that's how what this lightning does is transferring electrons to the surface of the earth. And that's recharging.

the earth all the time. If this, if all the thunderstorms would seize, you know, all simultaneously on the world, it would take only an hour to discharge the earth. We would have no battery.

It's constantly replenished, constantly. And the big regions where that replenish that energy is actually the thunderstorm in South America. and in Africa.

So that's why it's so important to be careful about how we do there. You know, cutting all the trees and everything, I don't know, I mean it's like we're cutting our lungs, we're cutting our lifeline, I don't know. It seems to me that we don't know exactly what we're doing, you know, it's like playing, you know, the what is that, the apprentice, you know, and it's...

I don't know. But that's where most of the lightning happens. Yeah.

And what you're sharing there around the ionosphere and the negative charge on the surface, it sounds like it's incredibly connected with the Schumann resonance as well. Yes. Well, it's interesting because the lightnings are the ones who generate Schumann resonance.

When you have these huge lightnings coming in, the generated electromagnetic field that travel around the Earth. And in simple mathematics, if you look at the surface of the Earth, okay, let's say that the circumference of the Earth is 25,000 miles or 40,000 kilometers, right, roughly, and you take the speed of light, which is 300,000 kilometers per second, 186,000 miles per second. You divide the circumference by the speed of light, okay, and you get 7.8, which is exactly the Schumann resonance.

So the lightning goes 7.8 times around the surface of the Earth, and it's bounced back because of the ionosphere cannot go out. So it bounced back around, and that creates the Schumann resonance. Now... Another interesting thing is that the Schumann resonance at 7.8 hertz or cycle per second is right between the alpha and the alpha and theta frequencies band of the brain function. So that means that this frequency, the body is especially attuned to it.

to relax and make the brain function in a calm manner. That's why when you go in, even if you're not grounded, when you go outside, you do like hiking in the woods and you feel so much calmer. We're attuning with the Schumann resonance. And we are in our homes.

What is the frequency, the basic frequencies that we have in our home? The basic frequency is the power line, you know, the power energy coming in. It's at 60 hertz.

I mean, even the brain, when it functions, you know, You are, you know, in like the mode we are now, you know, very focused outside and everything. And you go into the beta mode that goes up to about 30 hertz. So 60 hertz is very stimulating to too much stimulation, too high frequencies.

People get frenzy. I'm sure that it creates, you know, why we have this society where everything has to be fast, fast, fast, fast, fast. we're pushed you know without knowing it we are you know we are pushed subconsciously to oh this is a record this is etc by the energy we are submitted to it so that's my theory it hasn't been proven but uh i think it's too fast we should have um you know make um at least you know no more than 10 hertz then it would be it would have been okay but you know It was chosen by Tesla, actually. Maybe he had some reasons for doing it this way.

Right. But I mean, I think, you know, if you just look at the world and you look at people living in really rural environments compared to people living in inner cities, like there is that energetic, obvious difference there. Yeah. They feel much calmer. It's like, okay.

Yeah. I mean, even they're talking more slowly. yeah expressive um etc um so it it resonates with your theory ultimately for sure i'm trying to base my theory on observations um i guess one thing we haven't i don't think directly touched on is i think i'm only saying there's a reasonable amount of research that's looking at earthing and just its impact on heart rate variability which If we wanted a sort of a global biomarker of resiliency and health and everything you've been talking about from reducing inflammation to improving circulation, that's just another example of its impact.

Yes, heart rate variability measures the autonomic nervous function balance in the body. So you want to have certain balance, you know. So what happened is that the autonomic nervous, so we have the nervous system, a different branch. One is the autonomic nervous system, which functions to control the internal organ.

Another one is the muscle system that controls muscles and stuff like that. But if we're focusing on the autonomic nervous system, it has two branches, the parasympathetic branch and the sympathetic branch. And they're kind of like controlling the function of internal organs. Because...

If a lion runs after you, you need the energy in a different place than if you are digesting. So what happens is the autonomic nervous system, the sympathetic branch, when it gets activated, it's the flight-or-fight response. The energy goes into the muscle, and the digestive functions are shut down. And also the repair mechanisms are shut down. And the energy there is on the muscle for you to end the brain so that...

you are aware and you can run and you can take the proper action. But when you go into parasympathetic mode, when you relax, when you digest, it promotes that digestion, takes the energy away from the muscle, put that into the digestive system so that you can digest during the day. And during the night, it puts energy into the repair mechanisms of the body so that the body can repair itself.

That's why sleeping is so important because if you don't sleep, no repair happens in your body or very little. Some happen because, of course, you heal from injuries and things like that. But it's much less effective than if you are sleeping.

So there's this balance always between flight or fight being, you know, and the heart rate variability is a very good measure of that. And the heart function also depends on that. We found another thing also that is related to the autonomic nervous system function. It's called skin conductance. We found that the electrical conductivity of the skin, which is used, by the way, in light detection, is very sensitive to our mood and how we think.

Like, if I ask you a question, did you kill somebody? And you did, and you know, no, nothing happened. You're going to have a physiological reaction. that we can monitor. And that's why Cleve Baxter and others came up with a lie detection that includes that function.

Now what we found that is interesting is that within a second of grounding and sometimes two, it depends on the person. We found a relaxation, basically an increase in autonomic nervous function in the parasympathetic mode. It's like there's a relaxation that happened in the system.

It's like the body's saying, oh I'm grounded now, oh I can relax. So there's a relaxation that happened immediately and then that's where we started them. you know, to see now it's take care of the function of the muscle and things like that, make sure that everything functions properly. And then it waits about 20 minutes.

And when it says, oh, we're grounded for good. So we're getting this energy. After 20, 30 minutes, we found that the body started working on inflammation. And we have papers on that.

There's a paper by Dr. Amalu on our website about thermography research. showing it takes about 30 minutes for inflammation to go away in the body in general. But if you want to have inflammation going quicker, you have inflammation of the knee, then it's better to ground the knee first because the electrons were coming in there and will, you know, work on that inflammation first because inflammation is about positive charge, you know. The body, when there's too much positive charge, the body tries to dilute. they discharge by putting fluid there.

So that's why they're swelling. So you can avoid all that by having electrons coming in, which is the power of antioxidants themselves. When you take antioxidants, what do you think? You take substances that have extra electrons that will actually quench inflammation in your body. But I mean, the body is designed to do that naturally by being grounded.

It's the most powerful antioxidant is being grounded. And in fact, we're designing in such a way that we eat food that has been grounded. They should be charged with electrons. And there's a device called that you can buy. It's like a pen like thing.

It's called oxidation reduction potential measure measuring device that you can stick in the fruits and stuff like that. And if it's negative, that means it's full of electrons. You can eat it and you get energy.

If it's positive, it's going to. Maybe you get some nutrient, but it's going to deplete you from energy because it's going to steal some of your electrons. And I bet if I've not done that, I have the instrument, but I've not done that systematically. But I'm sure that if you take, you know, an apple from a farmer versus an apple from the store, there's probably a difference in the content of electrons in there. Where do you get this device from?

Oh, you're going to get it at Amazon anywhere. Really? I mean, all over.

You can go on the internet, oxidation reduction potential measuring device. And it's fun, you know, to do. But, you know, but see, being grounded, I'm not worried too much about the fruits being not on the, you know. the store to be not so grounded, you know, or having had some more positive, because I get all the positive negative charges all the time.

But you know, that's where we were, that's where we come from. Eating food that is being grounded and being grounded all the time. So we had plenty of electrons all the time available to us.

And the same with all animals. So that's why all animals, you know, they have the same, you know, immune system that was developed. protect us because of the ability of these electrons to basically, you know, keep the body in balance.

Yeah. A question I wanted to ask much earlier, and I forgot to, and I'm going to ask it now, because I'll forget it again, is if you're using these sort of grounding earthing mats, is it okay to wear clothes, socks? Do we have to be?

Sort of, does it have to be skin contact or is it just optimal to have skin contact? Optimal to have skin contact. But let's say that you sit on a mat.

Eventually, the mat is like rubber-like, you know, it's like a leather. And the perspiration will not evaporate. So there will be perspiration that will impregnate the clothing, you know, that you have.

And that will make a conducting pad. for the electrons coming to your body. That's why you can sleep, you know, you can have, you know, a mat, a letter type mat on your bed and you put a sheet on it. A thin sheet is better.

Cotton or, you know, natural fabrics is much better. And then you see after 5-10 minutes, if you measure right there, you're not going to be grounded. It's going to be, oh, it's not working, it's not grounded. But keep your hands there for 5-10 minutes.

You're going to see that the context gets established. There's a good video done by a doctor, Andrew Doan, who demonstrates that, that is available on YouTube. Okay. And so, optimal i mean if you can i don't i personally don't sleep you know in direct contact with the mat on my bed i put a little sheet on top of it yeah uh and you can check it it's working very well after 10 minutes no problem and you can check that as well can't you so you talked about the uh the oxidation reduction potential measuring device thingy Yes, yes.

But there are devices that you can get to sort of check your, I guess, is it your voltage ultimately that you're looking at? Well, there's a call, a continuity tester that didn't overcompany everything that comes out. Other companies sell it too.

It's called a continuity tester. It can test the continuity. So that means if there is a close path and if your device is actually working.

by just being conducted. But it can also be used to check if you are grounded. If you use an outlet for example and you use two different outlets of your house, then it goes through the grounding system of your house and then you can check also if you are grounded. But you don't have to. If you just want to check the products, make a closed circuit including the continuity tester.

So you can have, for example, the mat, and a mat has a cord that is connected on one side of the continuity tester. You put your thumb on the other part of the continuity tester, and you touch the mat, and you close the circuit, and then you're going to be able, you should have a green light. Okay.

You can do it using volt meters if you are more savvy. And you get more precise information. You can measure the exact resistance of the whole system and things like that.

But for the most people, it's sufficient to have this continuity tester, see the green light, you're good. Okay, excellent. Is there anything that we haven't sort of covered, Gaten, that you think we should cover? Well, there's another subject that is interesting that we have not covered.

is jet lag. Ah. So let's say that you are in England and you're visiting me in California.

So you might have problems sleeping, you know, the hour change and everything. There's an easy way to get rid of that. Put your feet on the ground for 30 minutes.

Bear free on the ground for 30 minutes at the new occasion. The body blocks will reset to the local time. And it's like, okay, I know where I am. You're going to sleep just like if you were in England. No jet lag.

We have so many people reporting that to us. Wow. This is a little trick. What's the mechanism that we think is happening there? Well, it's because the electrons in the Earth are not just sitting there doing nothing.

They're vibrating at different vibrations. For example, the Schumann resonance is one of the things that vibrate them. But also there's a circadian rhythm, like when the sun shines on a region of the earth, it energizes those electrons. And compared to the electrons outside that zone or not energized, it will create current that's what we call telluric current.

You know, you probably heard of these telluric current. They're earth current. And so these also have frequencies. and the body having in being in contact evolve in contact with your for millions of years know how to synchronize itself to those and those frequencies and knows if you are during the day of the night when you are in contact with the earth so all you have to do is your buddy have your buddy you know in contact with the earth will read the frequencies there and say oh it's about news and during the day we're not sleeping. Wow.

And it will generate, you know, the cortisol and... melatonin and all of these things in accordance we found that it regulates the circadian rhythm of cortisol for example. Yes that's really good to know I'm coming to California in June so you know what to do now yeah I know which part of California? I am going to be about half an hour north of San Diego Oh, I see.

So, yeah, very close to... Are you based there as well? I'm based in the San Diego North County. Okay. So which part of...

You don't remember the name? No, I should remember. San Clemente?

Let's have a little look. I've got it right here. So I should be able to tell you relatively quickly.

I'm trying to find a travel document. It's something like Incentas. I can't quite, does that ring any bells?

Encinitas or something like that. Encinitas? Encinitas, yes, that sounds like it. That's where I live.

That's where I live. Encinitas, that's where you're coming. That's where I'm coming.

Maybe we can meet. Yeah, that would be lovely. Let me know when you're coming.

Yeah, I'm going to be there the first week of June. Okay, I should be here. Perfect. I'll drop you an email. It would be nice to connect in person.

after today yeah i know nice place nice restaurants and things i know well the area so your guy thank you very much uh gay town has been really a real pleasure to be able to speak with you and i've learned a lot a lot more around earthing and grounding today so thank you very much thank you well thank you for having me it was quick we covered a lot of subject quickly there's a lot more to each subject if you want no more about each subject, I suggest you go to the Earthing Institute website, where we have everything, all the research projects. We have frequently asked questions, where all the questions that we have for 20 years, I put there and we answered them. And we just started a certification course that will actually be offered next week, where people can take that course for $49.

Level 1 will teach you all the basics of earthing and then you get a certificate, level 1 certificate from the Earthing Institute. And we found out that people who want, for example, to sell earthing products or health practitioners who want to talk about earthing, they're asking us to get this certification so that people can have confidence that they have knowledge, at least basic knowledge. on everything and what it does so we have three level level one level two level three so we're offering level one starting next week next month we'll have level two and level three the month after and then they will be permanently available for people amazing and we're planning even to have a level four basically which will be more like for people who completed level three it's more like a forum where we can talk about more advanced topics.

Okay, excellent. I will definitely keep an eye out for that then as well. Gaitan, thank you so much. I will absolutely be reaching out to you about Dune and I'll share those links like the Institute's out in the show notes so people will be able to access all that information really easily.

We also have a Facebook page with more than 8,000 people called Earthing Insiders. You can ask all questions there. They advantage there. And you'll have people who live what you're going through, telling you how they get out of it, how they solve their problem. It's a very, very useful tool.

Amazing. Excellence. I will add that as well.

Okay, so thank you so much. Thank you. Hopefully speak to you soon. Yes. All right.

Thank you for having me again. And it was a pleasure talking with you. Likewise. Thanks, Gaten. Thank you.

Bye.

Transcript for:Exploring Earthing and Heart Health

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Exploring Earthing and Heart Health