Well, there are a lot of problems with the TPA USA response to Charlie Kirk's assassination. Um, lying about drones, tearing down the cameras, saying that the police told you to do it, tearing down these cameras. Um, and a lot more. A lot more. Candace Owens is taking TPUSA and TP Action CEO Tyler uh Tyler Bower to task. She says she knew Tyler Bower was lying when he tweeted this guy was commanded by police to take down these cameras and she's been taking a number of the lies that TPUSA has been putting out according to her and she worked there so she knows this she knows these individuals very very well. But anyway, here's a sort of a sped up video of her explaining this um about Tyler Boyer yesterday on the show. Watch. I I actually don't know why this video I don't know what this video could have done that he sent me other than to make me feel even more uncomfortable because the video he sent me is qu shocking. It's also the reason that I knew that Tyler Boyer was lying when he tweeted that in this guy was commanded by the police to take down the cameras. He's lying because I have every minute of what this guy was doing thanks to him having sent it to me. Okay. Every minute of what he was doing before he took those cameras down. And there only four minutes by the way before he takes those cameras down. So he's next to and he's in front of Mikey McCoy when Charlie gets shot. Now, to his credit, he actually did see Charlie get shot. Um, he saw in like a split second sees Charlie bleeding and runs and doesn't run very far. He just runs a couple of yards away. Now, I should mention that the camera guy, he too was also brought into the company by Tyler Ber. Okay. Investigative journalist Brian Ference has been on this story long before Charlie was even murdered. He'd been investigating reporting on the corruption, the sexual assault coverup by TPUSA CEO Tyler Boyer. Um, Brian even put out a poll last uh last April about this. Here's the You can see the time stamp on this. Take a look at this poll. Should Charlie Kirk fire Tyler Boyer given a allegations of covering up sexual assault and other corruption? And we know they were doing an audit of where all this money was disappearing. Charlie wanted was doing this audit. So, Brian, investigative journalist, great journalist, joins us again on the show. Brian, thanks for staying on the story and digging deep where others are scared to look. Great to have you back on the show. Thank you, Clayton and Natalie. Great to be back on the show. Uh, and I did want to point out all this evidence that I'm going to be talking about. It's on my website, brianference.com. Uh, and also you can follow me on X at Brian Ference one. uh including the screenshots that that shows Tyler Boyer uh incorrectly claiming that the police uh ordered uh Terrell Farnsworth who was the cameraman to remove that camera and and and those uh SD camera SD cards. So uh those screenshots are there. Um, I did want to talk about since you mentioned that allegation of sexual harassment cover up. Um, that is one that um, really a shocking shocking story and again on brian ference.com. I did send to your producer as well if he wants to show any of the screenshots. Um, but it's important because this is a pattern of corruption and a pattern of coverups and a pattern of gaslighting people. If you look at the interactions that um Super Feed Technology CEO and uh Turnpoint Action CEO Tyler Ber has to anyone questioning him or his team, he immediately attacks that person uh gaslights them, invalidates the question. Um, so yeah, those are screenshots of um, you know, him claiming that the police instructed uh, the cameraman uh, Terrell Farnsworth to to remove those those cameras and evidence uh, in an active crime scene, which is absolutely not true. Um, police protocol uh, stipulates that uh, absolutely you cannot break the chain of custody due to potential tampering of evidence. uh that was an active crime scene crime scene. They absolutely had no right to do that. And frankly, it puts the entire case uh in jeopardy because uh you know the alleged assassin, his attorney can claim, well, this evidence, the chain of custody was broken, so how do we know this wasn't tampered with? You know, this evidence. So, uh I mean it could OJ Simpson. Exactly. Brian, that's OJ Simpson all over again, right? It's the chain of evidence. It was the the LAPD bungled this investigation. You can't trust the chain of evidence here. Who touched the SD card? Was it who who had access to this? So, when he's Can you unpack what Candace was saying yesterday and what Tyler Boyer is saying publicly? Can you walk us through like those two different positions here? Sure. And in the video from Candace Owens, there there's two uh main employees that she talks about. One is Mikey McCoy, who is the chief of staff for TPUSA, and she shows a video of Mikey McCoy. It's literally less than one second. It's like 800s of a second. As soon as Charlie is shot, he, you know, puts his hands up supposedly to cover his ear, but he has his phone in his ear and he's walking away. And um the interesting thing is, you know, Mikey McCoy, his uh his father is a is a pastor, Pastor Rob McCoy, and he did a sermon recently where he said, you know, Mikey McCoy was a hero. And he had he had blood all over him. That's a direct quote. He had blood all over him. Well, that's impossible because he was behind the tent, he was walking away, he was, you know, 20 yards away. Uh he absolutely did not have blood over him. Um so it's just it's a little bit bizarre. It's a little bit bizarre behavior. I mean, if if if I was someone's chief of staff and supposedly their best friend and they got shot, I I probably would run either towards them um I I I certainly wouldn't like I don't know, calmly stroll away with, you know, my phone to my ear. Um which is one of the things that Candace is pointing out. The other thing she's pointing out is Terl Farnsworth, who's the cameraman who is identified as the one that removed the camera, which was directly behind Charlie Kirk uh immediately afterwards. Um he's also on the video and he's seen kind of running away to a grassy null as well. And then he decides that he's going to shoot a um like a selfie live video or or just record himself, I guess. I don't know if it was live or not. Um I think we do have that. Yeah, let's run that. Brian, we have that video. Yeah, let's run that video. So, this is this is Farnsworth here. Um, who decides to like shoot a selfie video just seconds after Charlie Kirk is assassinated. It's a very And he flips the camera. So, you do see Charlie being loaded into the SUV. So, while concerned parties are in on the job of hopefully saving his life, he thinks I need to document how I feel right now. Let's watch. They just shot Charlie. They just shot Charlie. They just shot Charlie. [Applause] See, there he goes. Look, my friend is being loaded into an SUV. I'm going to stand here and record my reaction. [Applause] There's your shot, Charlie. [Applause] I mean, it's like it reminds me, Brian, almost like one of those Tik Tok videos. What he says here, I want you to don't talk over it. He says he's dead. Nobody knows at this point that he's dead. Nobody knows this yet. So, he then presumably is the first one to proclaim Charlie Kirk dead. Yeah, they're loading him in the car. I mean, anyway, Brian, it reminds me I was just going to say it reminds you of like one of those Tik Tok, you know, like I'm feeling I want to I want to flip on the camera and start crying for the camera. I mean, I don't want to denigrate, but I mean, it's just it's bizarre behavior. Like, if my friend is shot, I'm not going to flip on a selfie camera and film like my reaction. I'm going to do what I can to help and you know, if there's I don't know. Well, something the Turning Points people said in their response on Monday was we had strict protocols in place. Was the protocol ever film yourself? I wonder what was take a selfie ever part of this what safety does that promote? Did that belies all rational thought, doesn't it? It it does. And and how I mean, how did he know that Charlie Kirk was dead? I mean, he didn't he was he didn't get close to him. I mean, he saw people carry him into the car. Um, I mean, how does he know that he's dead? It's it's bizarre that he pronounces that immediately after the shooting and then goes back and steals the camera and the footage from a from an active crime scene and and allegedly stood on the chair that Charlie Kirk was shot, by the way. I don't know if I don't know if there was two chairs there or not, but you can see him, you know, he's looking around first to make sure no one's watching him. Uh, and then he stands on a chair, which appears to be the chair that Charlie Kirk was assassinated in, and removes the camera directly behind Charlie Kirk. Uh, I mean, it's just bizarre behavior. They asked him uh on uh Charlie Kirk's show, Andrew Kovet, asked him, "Why did you do that uh to uh Tyrell Terrell Terrell Farnsworth?" And his his response was exactly the opposite of Tyler Boyer. Tyler Ber had said, "The police told him to do that. But that's not what he said on this show. He said there's bas basically said there's there's evil people out there and I I needed to protect the footage. So you have conflicting answers. I feel so sad that I thought of this, but what I thought of was how people would misuse this. But what he first thought of was himself and how he wanted to immortalize his reaction. So that doesn't track. Now I want to ask you about this because the Turning Points executives are presenting this narrative that Charlie was like the Messiah and they are the disciples and so therefore they are blameless and anybody who is questioning the disciples is disgusting. That's what they said. They're disgusted that we would question the actions of the sanctioned Messianic disciples. That's how they would like this to come off. And I reject it from the core of my being. I find that disgusting. Now you have evidence that these people were beyond were had character questions long before the assassination and we should not forget that and allow them to just have this protection of disciplehip. Can you tell us what you found about the allegations about Boyer long before the shooting? Sure. Um, so basically, uh, there there there is on my website there's a lot of other documented cases of allegations of sexual assault going back years and it always kind of gets covered up. This is one from 2024. You can see the date is uh, December 2024. So, this is an alleged sexual assault. I'm going to just summarize a little bit what's in this police report. U,, but this is this is a very young girl, very young. as as typically happens with Turning Point, they recruit all these really young, very attractive girls usually. Um, so she was assigned um to work with a prominent Turning Point employee named Matthew Martinez by Tyler Boyer. And yeah, there's a photo of Boyer and Martinez like in Mexico. They're right next to each other. Um, and Martinez, he's frequently appeared actually on the Charlie Kirk show and is heavily promoted as a turning point speaker. He leads trainings. He's known as a data guru. He's given credit for drawing the maps for all their door knocking and quote the mastermind behind the math and science. Um he's taken a lead role in election results. And then Martinez is actually a current board member on the Arizona Young Republicans. So he's involved in the in the Republican scene. And you may have remembered the the scandal that Young Republicans had that there's turning point connections there as well. But uh let's skip that for a second. Um, so the victim alleges that she was adjourning a junior employee working with uh Martinez who was a senior employee and and Tyler Boyer and Martinez acted as her quote project leader. Okay, this is her boss or her you know her superior. Uh and then um she also claims that uh Boyer and Martinez were friends. They had drinks together. uh they would uh you know he photographed together always. Boyer said you know of Martinez uh he's he's relentlessly worked to train thousands of ballot chasers full-time and part-time uh gave him an award all this stuff. Um, but from the police report, Martinez is with this victim and they're in a car together alone and she has a a dress on and he places his hand on the inside of her thigh and begins stroking the inside of her leg and reaches her pelvis. He's touching her pelvis area and her underwear and then he tries to kiss her and tries to get her to go into his hotel room. Well, she tells him, you know, f you, get out of the car. And then she filed that police report. Well, what was strange is that this is an employee also turning point. So, these are two turning point employees. So, Tyler Ber who's friends with Martinez basically then comes in and completely and appropriately uh takes control of the investigation. This should be a human relations HR investigation, but he takes control of it. Um there's an email on my website basically he's responding to someone in HR. He's saying uh that he's moving the date of the HR meeting and according to the victim, this is a quote. Yeah, that's it. Tyler was leading the investigation in the interview. Essentially, I was just meeting with Tyler. It was him just raking over the coals and asking questions because they had spoken to Matthew first. Um, so and then there's another letter which is from uh the April 9th, 2024 from Veronica Peterson who identifi identifies herself as council for turning point. Yeah, that's it. And she says upon your commencement, she's talking to the victim. your commencement of employment with TPA. You signed a confidentiality agreement NDA and we are informing you that you are act we've informed you're actively discussing a confidential investigation that arose from your report of harassment. They say harassment, but it's sexual assault is what the police report says. So, it's interesting that they downgraded it from sexual assault to harassment uh by a coworker. Um and then they go on to say you would be in violation of your NDA and you must cease continuing such communications. TPA TPA takes this matter very seriously and is prepared to take legal action for any continued document violation because she reported it to police. That's exactly what it is. Right. So she reported it to the police and they say your NDA obligated you to only report this internally. That's crazy. And it's complet it's completely invalid. The legal precedent is very clear. Um NDAs do not apply to sexual assault. Absolutely not. No company takes your civil liberties away because that's crazy. Now, people could say, Brian, don't like let let's not muddy the water here. Someone in the chat saying, "Let's not muddy the water between Charlie Kirk's assassination and the fraud and maybe cover up and corruption that was happening at TPUSA." Maybe you could address that here. You think they're totally separate? Nothing to nothing to see here. Yeah, that's that that's a good that's a good point. And and if it was a one-off, I would maybe agree with that. But this is not a one-off. This is a pattern of behavior. And you have someone Tyler Ber who is experienced in cover-ups. He's experiencing cover-ups. So he here he is very clearly inappropriately assuming the uh control v sexual sexual assault investigation covering it up legally threatening that employee. Uh and then you have another situation which is now where Tyler Boyer is covering up for his employees again. Oh, they they uh you know interfered with a crime scene. Oh, let me just say the police told them to do that. And then there's there's a lot of other irregularities with many of Tyler Ber's comments because he's experienced in covering up uh running PR, saving face, and he's also made legal threats to to Candace Owens and other people. If you keep talking about Charlie Kirk and this and this, we're going to sue you because it's a pattern of behavior. Their company is incredibly latigious. Uh I got some kind of weird malformed. It wasn't a cease and desist. It was like a demand letter. Um it was just absolutely ridiculous. Uh I I just gave it right back to them because it was completely insane. But um that's their pattern behind it as toilet paper. Yeah, I I really did. Um but it's this is a pattern of behavior for them. They cover things up, they gaslight, and then they followed up with legal threats. So um you when you're talking about don't muddy the water, this is a pattern of behavior. These are skilled uh emotional and psychological manipulators that have the ability to just lie constantly uh gaslight people and then followed up with legal threats and oh by the way we're the good guys. Please continue donating, you know, tens of millions of dollars to our organization. Now, we don't know how much Charlie Kirk would have had a hand in this. We don't know what he knew about this. What we do know is that he had ordered an audit on the financials because there was things that didn't pass the smell test and that he was trying to regain control. He seemed to need to regain control of his maybe sea level executives. Uh so that maybe gives us a clue that he might have felt like the natives ran away with it or what what is the expression? The natives were in charge. The inmates were inmates were in charge. Sorry. Yeah, she's terrible with idioms. We apologize, Brian. Well, I mean, that's an interesting point. Oh, go ahead. No, go ahead, Brian. Yeah, I I just wanted to touch on one other thing. So, um you know, this is from another employee at Turning Point. So, I've had I've had um multiple discussions with multiple uh usually former some current Turning Point employees. Uh this one confirmed the allegations of sexual assault uh and and and that it was covered up. And then they went on to say this. They said uh the people at Turning Point are not good people. There is nothing godly about them. They are protecting what is going on there and it is the culture. They are using intimidation tactics regularly. My first week I met Tyler Ber and there was something off about him from the beginning. Ber is not who he thinks he is. He is an arrogant There were people in my employee training that said, "Boyer, the guy is full of shit." Sorry for the cursing. Uh there's an act there's an act like he has it all figured out. The first thing I figured out is they lie and they don't tell the whole truth. Particularly about their data. They weren't telling the truth about they what they were presenting to donors. They were inflating the numbers and their data was wrong. Their app is flawed and not accurate. Their training is garbage. There's something not right here. Particularly with Tyler Boyer. Boyer does not fear God at all. He is not a Christian. The man is a monster. Wow. Okay. Those are some tough words. From a current TPA employee, right? That's a current TPA. That one's from a former TPA, but these are multiple multiple employees that corroborate the story. Um, all verifiable their employment there. Um, plenty of other interesting financial transactions that that's why that's why Kirk was calling for an audit and a Doge style audit. And I believe I don't have um a screenshot of this, but I believe Tyler Ber again kind of dismissed it saying, "Oh, no. this is just a regular audit that we do all the time. No, it no it's not. It doesn't call for a culture change. It doesn't say where's the where's our funding coming from? Where's our funding going? This was a major audit and as far as I have been informed, it's been completely cancelled since uh since Charlie Kirk was assassinated. Wow. And yet, you know, the thing that stuck out the most to me at his memorial were Turning Point USA speakers saying, "Get married. Get married young. Have a family. Be an upstanding Christian." I mean, who was the person that spoke with his wife? There was somebody specific. Do you remember? Was that Mikey McCoy? No. Somebody in the chat, please. There was a a husband and wife that came on the on the stage and said, "Charlie encouraged me to get married young. This is my beautiful wife. This you know, do you somebody will remember?" I don't remember offic. Yeah, I don't have that. It It was a long program. It was a 5-hour program, but there was somebody there who specifically it was be a young upstanding person, follow the Lord, get married young. And so this stood out to me and and now that you're telling me that this culture persisted, that was not in line with with that message. So Oh, that's that's absolutely true. And I've written a lot of other articles about some of the questionable speakers at TPUSA Faith. Um some of which were uh former Only Fans uh models, also known as prostitutes. Um, you know, there's a former porn star that at one point was involved as a as a speaker with Turning Point and that was kind of that was kind of discarded quickly. But, um, you know, they've had atheists speak at at Turning Point USA Faith. There's there's a lot of really questionable people that they put into the limelight and throw up on stage uh that do not represent the the supposed Christian values uh that they should. No, I Yeah, I've heard some unbelievable stories about some of these parties and things that would take place and some of the individuals who spoke on that stage would make a lot of people really disgusted. Um, I think the chat is saying that that was Mikey McCoy. It It was I'm I see it right now. Remember this? Yeah. Yeah. The wife looked like um Yeah. Like a young Isa Fischer. Yeah. With the white dress. you that's probably lost on this audience. Yeah. Okay. Uh anyway, anyhow, okay, I'm remembering that. Thank you so much for this um journalism. You you have my jaw is on the floor. So, please come back with investigation. Thank you both. Again, Wallace, evidence is on brianference.com. Have a good good rest of your day. Thank you again.