today is January 31st 2025 and it is the day that lucid Motors gains access to the Tesla Supercharger Network however not all of lucid's vehicles will immediately have access only the Lucid gravity its newly released SUV that has a native nexx Port is going to be able to charge on superchargers starting today the air is going to take another month or two before for it gets access so I invited lucid's VP of engineering emod dalala to come on state of charge to talk all things Lucid Tesla supercharging voltage adapters we're going to talk differences in the packs why one vehicle will charge differently than another one on Tesla superchargers and everything related to lucid and Tesla supercharging so with that said let's jump into it [Music] all right so I'm here with Ahmad dalala VP of engineering for Lucid uh I've had a considerable amount of conversations with Imad over the years he's one of my go-to guys he knows about as much about electric vehicle engineering and charging as anybody out there and he always takes the time to talk to me explain things if I don't understand something or just uh somebody that's been out there that's allowed me to pick his brain from time to time and I really appreciate that thank you for coming on Ahmad and uh let's talk about lucid they got supercharger access You released a new vehicle there a lot to talk about charging wise well thank you so much Tom for hosting me and thanks uh you know for this opportunity uh good to connect with you again as a as a good friend and colleague in this uh Community small community we we live in in electrical vehicle uh charging uh yeah I'm excited to talk about charging lucid and maybe uh gravity so yeah happy to be here absolutely so today is January 31st 2025 and today is the day that lucid Motors gains access to Tesla superchargers V3 and later like all the other manufacturers the V2 and earlier superchargers don't speak the same language and non- Tesla vehicles can't charge on V2 superchargers uh so if you do have a lucid or any other vehicle and you have access to Tesla superchargers make sure you don't end up going to one that your vehicle can't charge at okay with that said so now today's the day where Lucid gets access but not all of your vehicles correct just the gravity gets access today yes yes it it's only gravity and of course this is a huge milestone um you know when we uh decided uh you know to um sign and be part of this uh Journey adopting nexts and having access to Tesla supercharging network uh was super critical for us to really um launch graffity directly with uh with uh access to Tesla supercharging at work and and especially with the native NEX um we want to launch the brand so well and and we know how critical uh charging to our customers is and uh how important U the access to Tesla supercharging network will be yeah uh and and it is important you know once once Ford decided that they were going to get supercharger access and do a slow transition to next I think everybody had to in mod I don't think it was something that some people could stand on an island and say no we're sticking with this uh I I personally just think that the the j34 or Max whatever you want to call it it's a more elegant design it's simpler it's less prone to break I've seen so many ccs1 connectors dropped the Locking tabs broken off them and and the Tesla connectors are smaller they're more elegant there's there's no appendages to snap off so you guys made a good decision but I think for Lucid it was a little bit more difficult than for some of the other companies because of the the pack uh architecture that you use a 900 volt system and the Tesla superchargers were 300 volt system which um led to some slower charging on the your current vehicle at the time the air but now that the gravity is launching it doesn't seem to be hampered by the lower charging rate on Tesla superchargers that the air is um and you announced that it's going to have 400 kilowatt Peak charging and sustained High sustained charging rates so let's talk a little bit about uh what you did different with the gravity and why does it charge better on Tesla superchargers than say the the Lucid air does yeah and and it's really good question and um you know I read sometime lots of comments on the line uh how could not certain vehicles with their Lucid air or others not charge faster than that and they expect oh this is has the latest technology they expect oh they didn't size their wires uh you know the right way or uh because honestly it's very difficult to understand voltage right um voltage is is not current and it's not power in reality yeah they're related uh but um you know um compatibility with voltage um is uh is critical uh for for the power to flow and if you um you know uh plug your car to a lower charging lower charging voltage uh uh system H you cannot not actually uh Drive power from the charger to the vehicle because if almost think about it if uh if um you have a uh voltage is more like a pressure and uh a current is more like the flow if you don't have enough pressure there is no flow with is no flow of current so um you know that's the main reason why uh you know um you know we have to decide we decided to uh upgrade the entire High Vol voltage platform and gravity in order for us to have this seamless experience compatibility both with uh a lower voltage 400 500 volt systems and 800,000 volt uh uh charging networks and uh you know imagine I think this is um you know uh of course we were um uh offered with this U you know choice of having that compatibility or not and and we decided to put all our uh you know uh uh resources and energy to make it happen within a very uh you know aggressive timeline okay so the gravity is it's just launching now and the gravity for those that don't know is lucid's second vehicle it's an a a long range SUV I think it's 440 miles 450 mil 450 EA rated I think this is It's the highest EA rated EV SUV uh because even the other ones are not EPA rated as you probably know yeah so so you know it's it's an ultra long range all electric SUV that's just launching now it's lucid's second vehicle and it has a native KNX Port so now Lucid has one vehicle that has the KNX port and another vehicle the air which is on the the previous generation J 1772 and ccs1 so that means you're going to be involved with adapters now uh like all of the non uh Tesla automakers that are getting supercharger access some are giving adapters away some are charging some have low voltage adap or low amperage adapters out there some have high amperage it's kind of like the Wild Wild West what's going to be lucid's policy on adapters um let's start with the gravity first because that has the KNX Port yeah so um you know uh actually you could say arue to to a large extent uh the Lucid gravity can be treated in in from a customer point of view like a Tesla uh from uh the next uh and or adapter's point of view uh you know uh today gravity doesn't necessarily need to have adapter if you decide you you don't want to go to the high voltage Network however because um you know if our uh big uh uh belief and focus um you know uh providing high voltage to our customers we will include adapters uh as part of this is our current plan uh uh part of the vehicle um and um actually um you probably know uh the carb um you know regulations that um model year 2026 actually anything native next has to include both AC and DC uh nexx adapters basically you will have to have ccs1 to NEX and um you know j1772 to NEX adapter H H uh that has to be mandatory yes yes this is the high voltage CCS one to next and this is the AC charging j1772 to NE so you will um if if for your gravity customers that buy a gravity you're going to include one of these in each uh one of each of these in every vehicle it comes with the vehicle that's the plan now okay very good because right now it's not mandatory but model year 2026 roughly mid year this will be mandatory and and we want to commonize it uh in terms of the strategy right okay so now let's really quickly switch to air because air has the j1772 ccs1 port what do you do with new air customers I buy an air next month what do I get and how about exist in air customers I bought one a year ago what's your adapter policy for those customers so we haven't announced the adapter's policy for Lucid air and we are uh basically deciding exactly the details of that I mean Tom that's that's a reality of it it's not like I'm I tell you that charging care for example for Gravity we we do have it but we want to just be aligned and when we when we the adapters um you know we we announced in in this uh press release recently that uh Lucid air customers will have access in Q2 this year okay that's when they're going to get access to Tesla superchargers so there's no immediate need to have a policy for the adapters because it can't okay I just want to explain that to to the viewers Sur of course uh we will provide adapters from Lucid uh this is the plan of record both uh for air and gravity and uh we will of course it's it's the opposite of course for air because it it comes with a ccs sh Bo so it's going to be the next eest one that's DC and this is for AC this is the adapter that You' need for for AC and this is for DC and these are these are these are there's other brands but this is the type of adapter that lucid air customers would need to charge on Knack AC and DC Chargers yeah yes and um uh we will share details in in the near future about that of course we will have some some follow-ups about the exact timeline in Q2 as we're finalizing those details okay okay and you know I'll speculate a little I know you're going to give them to new customers because if you're giving the gravity adapters uh if you're giving new Gravity customers adapters you can't say oh you buying an air you don't get one so I I know that yeah I'm not asking for you to to to say yes to that what I'm just curious about is are you GNA back dat it some of the oems said okay um people that bought their car within the last three months we're going to give you adap everybody else we got to pay some of them are saying uh you could have bought it three years ago send us your VIN we'll send you the adapter when you're ready to announce that please let me know because I'd like to uh maybe make a short video to let my Lucid followers uh know what the uh adapter policy is going to be um okay so we got adapters out of the way we know now oh did did you announce when the air or did I miss this I know the is it coming we just said Q2 which say this spring uh really defining that timeline um internally and also in close collaboration with our Tesla uh Partners there um okay but we will we'll have some um more information because of course Lucid a customers deserve to have access to that deserve to know exactly but we're finalizing those dates absolutely and what can Lucid air customers expect as let's say a maximum charging rate we we we talked about the the gravity having a 400 kilowatt maximum charging rate I've charged lucid's uh I think every version of your Lucid except for Sapphire you haven't given me a sapphire yet but uh that's okay I I know they're they're probably not plentiful in press fleets the sa the sapphire but um uh I mean I'll fly out to Kasa Grande if you'll let me borrow one but uh we'll talk about that off camera well I'll talk to Justin and see he can we can arrange one but I've charged all your other vehicles and they charge really well I you know 200 miles gets replenished in 12 minutes with the uh Grand Touring in 16 minutes with the touring and in 17 minutes with their entry level pure which still is is is fantastic 200 miles range 17 Minature in and out are you talking uh yet on how long that's going to take uh to to replenish 200 miles for the gravity yet oh we actually mentioned in the press release that it's going to be less than 12 minutes so 200 200 miles less than 12 minutes um is uh is the an is an announcement and once we share more details about the charge curve and about the details you will even hear more numbers 300 miles and 400 miles and so on okay and and that's interesting the charge curve I'm really interested to hear about that um because one of the things that if you want to be critical on the air is it it front loads that power I mean at a low state of charge you pull over 300 kilowatts but only for a couple of minutes by the time you're at I don't know 25 30% even maybe less than that that you're already it comes down it's got a beautiful nice curve but it's not very linear like some of the other electric vehicles are you plug in you know what you're going to get for like 20 minutes um is you know in the press release it said a sustained 225 kilowatt uh that would be fantastic because you don't really have a sustained level with air you get this this big curve and then it just kind of goes all the way down um but this is going to be more linear is what you're telling us yes so of course it's all relative right uh Tom um you know even for a lucid air if you draw 150 kilowatt line which is you call it sustain you take 150 kilowatt to around with the Grand Touring uh which is we sell today that the latest uh roughly to 65 70% uh which is pretty good 150 but of course um you know and I can go to some so average powers you're talking about more average power over a time frame not even average I mean I mean I'm saying just because it's all it's all part of human eye and how they say it because you want to give a choice you want let's say the customer right if you if you uh choose to only offer let's say 200 kilowatt sustainable to let's say 60 or 7 60% let's say okay or or before 60% uh then you can actually increase power to 300 kilowatt uh would you choose the one that sustain 200 kilowatt and you think it's good or would you choose give the customer choice if they have access to high power I think it's the later and the reason is that from a chemistry point of view actually the cell usually um is able to take more charge more power in in you know the early assoc the the the low assoc region and it actually sometimes in many cases depends on ambient temperature and cooling system in on most cases it helps the cell to charge better at higher state of charge because a cell temperature or or cell accepts more charge at higher so when it's hot of course there is a limit where how much hot but if you can let's say keep the Cell at 50 c 45 C uh you will get more charge at uh 60% than if it was 5c that's a interesting dilemma when we do optimization but back to the graphity charging curve the graphity really um and I mentioned this in my interview with Kyle your friend and uh you our friend Kyle um that we really um uh focused on taking charging experience to a Next Level not just a charging care as as you alluded to to um the the peak power and the early uh especially versions of lucid air where where where the peak power doesn't get sustained for so long and that mainly due to Thermal limitations and actually uh significantly due to the new chemistry and new uh systems uh optimization that we had in we have now in gravity uh so um the nice thing about the new charging C I mean it's it's a 400 kilow power but even if you go and plug it in in Electrify America let's say 350 kilowatt charging station you still benefit significantly because that charge rate is sustained for quite so long and uh so it's not just a 400 kilow people say oh where can I find 400 kilowatt no this is 350 which is 316 in Electrify America for us uh you can sustain it for so long you know and and and and still uh you know uh get roughly even with that even with 350 kilowatt you will get around 12 minutes uh uh of added uh added 200 miles in about roughly in 12 minutes yeah and and there are you said the the you mentioned electri America 3 350 360 kilowatts we're getting 400 kilowatt Chargers now I has they're using the AL patronic units and so 400 kilowatt Chargers are beginning to proliferate around so 100% yes and I'm just saying yes there are handful of them right now six or seven or 10 nine I can't remember them some of them beta for uh for Iona um some other charges charge charge point also and Mercedes and few others have you know their networks have some some 400 kilowatt so they are getting really more widespread yeah yeah so okay so why the the or how did you without getting too technical how do you achieve the higher rates on on on gravity is it a combination of like the cell chemistry I think you use nickel magnes Cobalt for Gravity right um is it do you have bigger chillers stronger cooling pumps this video was sponsored by CIT North America's Premier installer of electric vehicle charging equipment after I've helped you decide which electric vehicle charger you're going to buy Follow the link in the description of my video and have CIT install it and if you follow that link cerit will wave the $150 installation deposit but in order to have the deposit waved you must follow the link in the description of my videos give us a maybe a Layman's Layman's explanation of how you achieve how you improve the charging so much so um you know if you of course um just back to the fundamentals um you know this is is uh this is a new developed chemistry that we really uh co-developed with our partners in Panasonic engineered like like uh you know so closely collaboratively together and uh without our input and optimization uh it wouldn't be here that's that's a codevelopment first cell codevelopment for lucid and um uh we know what what the sell is capable of then now how to make sure the system uh exploits and take advantage of this capability so it's it's it's the modeling of the uh of the system because if you add just a bigger Chiller to any existing vehicle today trust me even if you open the PMS or the software you will you will find another botton like the optimization of the entire system requires a system uh you know uh holistic View and uh an optimization with really mathematical modeling H and and and mechanically and electrically designed each component uh to be capable and thermally of course to to sustain those powers and and um for Gravity specifically yes it's a combination of uh upgrading and and and introd ucing a new cooling system in the battery back itself uh introducing a new uh chillers in the thermal cooling system uh at the vehle level um and uh the air intake uh and and and the completely new layout of the radiator also are introduced um and um uh uh more also capability in our labs to car characterize the cell chemistry and its charging performance without a cell degreg so it's very important that of course to balance um you know all attributes and degradation is no go safety of course must be maintained uh degradation has to meet our warranty and you know uh you know targets and uh with that capability you will have of course um the ability to uh optimize and and tune and uh you know uh push that boundary up but this goes only collaboratively between system cell and our partners in terms of cell chemistry yeah you talk you talk about degradation I know it's a um Everybody Wants faster charging everybody wants the car to charge as fast as possible no matter how fast the Chargers they they wish it charged five minutes faster um but they don't want to have lost 30% of their battery after four years of driving in 50,000 miles and I think that's the balance that you this is really your job is to figure out how much can we push it without compromising the life of the battery because the battery is the most expensive part of the vehicle I I would I wouldn't want to be on the the checkw writing end of a new battery pack for elcid Gravity if I were to uh you know ruin it or for whatever case so I I get why you you have to engineer them the primary goal is for long pack life and then the secondary goal is well how fast can we make this charge now that we know we're we're we're going to meet warranty and people are going to have you know the battery is going to last the lifetime of the car because I think that's the the goal of what Lucid has certainly and and maybe I can't chime in here Tom because um you know um of course uh chemistry sometimes is something you cannot really predict until you really model it and then test it and validate it it's almost I I always tell my teams like you battery cell as almost your blood cell right it's like very difficult to predict it's a chemistry and and can behave really uh uh you know uh in a different unpredictable way and um but uh Excellence of engineering uh and you know proper uh comprehensive validation uh can lead to a chemistry that actually fast charging helps uh in most cases the chemistry that we develop actually never seen sence of that degradation doe fast charging it's actually we've seen sometimes the opposite time a vehicles that fast charg has a better state of health I'm not saying this is a general rule of Thum but I wouldn't be too worried about fast charging cycling in general has an effect and aging of course has an effect but whether you cycle through AC or DC it it doesn't matter however in general good mix uh uh you know between AC and DC is healthy uh so uh it's actually kind of chemistry likes to rest sometimes in a different way and resisting the chemistry with AC charging sometimes helps that's interesting I hadn't heard anybody tell me that but you you know you have the data you know you can you can see what your Fleet of vehicles are doing and the battery state of health on customers that have uh DC fast charge frequently ones that you know charge to 100% every day ones that leave the pack at at low state of charge from extended period of time which is which is probably a bad thing to do so it's interesting that you're saying with all this data you're you haven't noticed any negative effects on your Fleet of customers that have uh DC fast charg frequently if anything they seem to have better health that's that's absolutely absolutely that might be the headline to this video Yeah you got some today and um yes you know as Lucid like you know similar to many Silicon Valley companies the data I have my own data team very strong in power training engineering and charging that we really analyze and you know uh uh digest and cluster all these types of um you know uh scenarios and use cases and you know charging uh uh applications and um with that power of data we we know because you can do certain things in the lab and we do lots of comprehensive testing in the lab but having the Fleek data gives you much more widespread of temperature and use cases and mix of uh you know uh AC and DC and and and therefore you build that knowledge base which helped us honestly from Lucid air to gravity too that's a huge part of also our ability and confidence and in understanding of how chemistry works and uh yes as as I mentioned the mix between AC and DC charging is is absolutely something we noce to be one of the uh best uh you know ways and I'm not saying you know there is a certain exact ratio but these days most chemistry you can easily do uh lots of DC charging sessions and you don't have to do anyc um you know but but it's good sometime from time to time to have this mix okay do you are you going to be offering any and this um uh uh do you offer any free charging programs with gravity I know you did with the air when it first came out you probably know I'm dead set against giving people free DC fast charging programs but uh does the gravity come with free public charging so um I I I watched couple of videos of you uh Tom uh you know uh how upset you are with these programs andate spot me yes we really appreciate that feedback and and we're listening I think to move the industry forward I think the best is to really pivot away uh and make it more responsible and more uh you know um sustainable and scalable technology with uh you know incentivize home charging if you want to give if you want to give people some incentive you know give them give them your free charger which been we've been doing actually we're doing uh charging allowance we've had it for Lucid air for over a year I think and still continue to have it and and I think that that they use it for charging credit to to buy uh let's say ATM charging in home stations which which help significantly the environment the the the congestion in charging stations because you can charge at night that's what I'm saying the environment you know which is get get better better charging rates less expensive and and um and um yeah so we haven't announced yet the details uh for now uh but you can see my uh kind of feel about it and and we will we will share more details soon about this yeah I mean I I I wouldn't mind like if if the program was like 500 kilowatt hour or something like that just to get people um to to learn how to use the public Chargers and and get the Apple set up and everything but the free charging where many oems were given unlimited free charging for like a couple of years it was clogging up all the the sites and it it you were incentivizing people to have a bad experience with your car and it was bad for you you know um glad everyone's back by example in this and really changed you know you know the narrative about charging by offering convenience plug and charge and and other options in to to uh you know include other networks and and that's why you know we we know we we of course we're part of uh you know um Electrify America and also Tesla from plugin charge point of view and and hopefully we will even include more we're working definitely uh with our partners to include more networks because that's the way I I think you need people to to have a pleasant good experience and and I don't think paying or not paying honestly is is the key uh uh should be the key reason for for the adoption oh agree all right one last question on gravity before we just touch on air a little bit um the voltage of the pack uh I know people typically talk about 400 volt battery packs and then they say well there's 400 and there's 800 but it's not that you know we we put them in two buckets but the voltage range is can be much different for instance I have a Chevy Equinox and the the voltage is extremely low it's around 300 but it's considered a 400 volt battery pack system you get thrown in the bucket with the 800 volt battery systems but voltage is actually much higher it has I think a peak um range of of 926 yeah what's the range if I plug in and the batteries I run it down to zero when I do my range test eventually I'll do the range test um would that be like in the high 700s or low 800s or I I think yeah so of course we use nmc chemistry or or all lithium ion let's say except for the lfb they will have this a little bit dip uh so the voltage of the cell goes to about 2.5 volt and uh you know um if you if you at the top of the of the voltage about 4.2 volt you could do the math at 926 volt you have about 222 in series again it's technical but I will come back to make it simpler um and with that you will be at lower 700 volt uh with the with the you know gravity pack uh at low so see uh and that's part of the chemistry and uh that's why we chose um to go to the highest voltage a charger can accept from the beginning and back then when we designed the Lucid air which has 924 volt system uh we worked with companies like Electrify America and even before that with the standard ccs1 and ccs2 in Europe and working with those Partners to understand what's the limit and it's around 950 volt so we we were very close we want to keep a margin just in case and we did the right thing and um you know I think uh going with highest voltage setting the pace to really uh uh charging F faster charging and uh lower losses in the system is the way and I think we want to lead by example in that Arena too okay so I fig it it would what's the maximum ampage it'll pull 500 amps for yeah is so so um yeah it's at 400 kilowatt and nominally so it's interesting right you know um how it works is that even at your low state of charge 700 volt that's when an open circuit it's it's once you start pulling power that voltage goes up because you you know you you're pulling power and you have you know uh uh resistance as a system so you end up with that almost even at low state of charge at around 800 volt so you're pulling 500 amps to get 400 yep 800 time 500 400 yeah okay that the math checks yes yes okay so let's before we take off um let talk a little bit about air um the you know the the gravity gets uh Tesla Supercharger access today January 31st air is going to be in Q2 um we're going to get an announcement sometime between now and then as far as the adapters go with um how air customers can get an adapter or what adapters are going to be included um but let's just talk a little bit about and I know we talked about this a little bit earlier but um let's just talk a little bit about what air customers can expect charging on a Tesla V3 supercharger and on some of the new V4 superchargers okay so you know I'd like this to come from you like what what what would a customer I own a you know 2022 Lucid air um Grand Tour okay let's I go I go all the way up to the top when I'm at a Tesla Supercharger V3 supercharger uh uh I'm I'm used to pulling 300 kilowatts at an Electrify America station what what should I expect to pull at a V3 and what should I expect to pull at a V4 yeah so for the Lucid air and I want to touch in gravity if you allow me later as well after of course yeah you could say as long as you want yeah so yeah uh for Lucid a of course uh we designed the system in 2017 18 to be compatible with all charging networks worldwide that were open that's available with this with a isus standard and and so on um so um you know uh the Lucid air is designed to be compatible with 400 volt and 500 volt charging Legacy networks uh at 50 kilowatt uh Peak and uh but that you know back then there were the only networks open and we honestly did the right thing with going with the high voltage because we pulled the industry forward to adopt higher voltage and you know you know you need that momentum and uh with the with with some other car companies also adopting this that's really led us to be in this position right now where uh V4 coming with with a th000 volt uh and many charging networks for srii America others but the magical of course also uh point is the transition to next and um you know uh uh with that um you know we um going to offer adapters for Lucid air customers to access Tesla v3s but there there will be limitation in power exactly um to 50 kilowatt and that's a 50 kilowatt around 45 to 50 kilow depends on some voltage conditions and so on yeah so it won't it won't be uh air owners won't seek out Tesla superchargers um if they have an opportunity to charge on a CCS station they'll charge faster but they'll be able to charge there I think which is good because in some places you that's the only option so if you charge a little bit slower it's the only option it's congestion sometimes just just many Chas stations you'll find uh Tesla next to others and if it's congested you can charge over next to next door and if you want to take your family and this is the reality to a long road trip you want to have that peace of mind I think it's going to be really valuable to our customers late all Lucid Air customer existing customer and future customers and I think their vehicles also future proof because V4 and others we know they're coming we will see the r exactly but but uh we have a a great access already to to thousand volt Network and it's going to be even better um for gravity of course as I said we we had the opportunity to redesigned architecture although very fast I think I would say no other company Tom really would do this ingenuine let's say Innovation and plus speed of execution and uh we decided to uh really to um do both and and the and having native knacks 225 5 kilowatt charging rate sustained for really long high in s SOC and uh and access to 350 and 5 400 kilowatt th000 volt charging it works so honestly it's going to be the best charging EV over there in my view and um we did that also thanks to our inhouse technology right so to in order for us to be compatible with the V3 we have to redesign our Drive Unit to be compatible and thanks to amazing hardware and software controls and uh uh to to to do this in a within a really really really short time and I can tell you right now um maybe this is take it as a news we're charging at an amazing success rate with Tesla amazing success rate like not you know you know I very close to 100% let me say that which made him which make makes me so proud we didn't just do this um you know only to achieve the best charging Peak power or beast charging uh you know uh uh charging curve but also easy fuse convenience reliability and this being at the DNA and what I've been driving since I took um this mission of of charging well that makes sense and you know uh as you mentioned earlier when when the air came out you guys weren't engineering it to work on 400 volt systems you weren't engineering it for the Tesla Supercharger Network this this industry made a a dramatic shift so it's understandable I just wanted to make it clear for my air followers what they could expect when they have Tesla superchargers it's another option out there um you you know it might not be your first option but listen any port in the storm and if it means you're sticking around a little bit longer or getting a tow truck you'll plug into that Tesla Supercharger and and wait have an extra cup of coffee and uh and and that's great I think you guys getting supercharger access now um is great congratulations it's so grateful to to Tesla as well to help us do this in a very short time frame they've been very collaborative with us um us access to test sites and and uh we we are uh uh you know super excited today to to to have our Lucid own Lucid owners from Gravity side Lucid gravity owners to be have access and uh we look forward of course to more access uh more options uh more subscription models and more you know convenience to our customers really this is the goal well with that I think we can wrap things up I've taken you a little bit longer than what I promised I would I certainly appreciate enjoy talking to you Tom I really really enjoy you're Wonder of the best experts in overall charging experience adapters standards I follow you you're big of course a friend but also a great professional colleague uh you know part of the community thank you so much what you're doing for the community Tom really really appreciate it and great Lottery will get you everywhere with me em yeah thank you so much really I appreciate it thank you for coming on hopefully this won't be the last time I I can't believe this the first time I I've had you on here um you know when I got in touch with lucid and asked to to to have you have you on I realized said you know I've never had mod on I I can't believe that we've talked so many times we talked maybe four time we met at least four times in person you came to our Factory you came to our headquarter I came to your office there and I think we may be met somewhere else but I never asked you to come on the show but um hopefully this won't be the last time and uh thanks again for coming on this has been very informative you're always uh you know a great uh conversation and uh I appreciate that you took the time to come on here today thanks a lot thank you so much Tom thank you to your audience too thank you so much again I'd like to thank emod for coming on stateof charge I think that was very informative 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