[Music] hello and welcome to the UK column today I'm joined by Katherine Austin president salari which publishes a salari report a former investment banker and who served as assistant Secretary of Housing and federal housing commissioner during the first Bush Administration welcome to the program Katherine thank you Mike I'm a great admir of UK colum and I really appreciate everything you and your colleagues do there thank you very much I'm going to begin this uh by asking you for your views on the new Trump government because a lot of people have been expressing a lot of hope uh and a lot of Hope invested in Trump and and I just wonder do you think that's Justified I have a lot of Hope but not based on anything the Trump Administration is doing other than um I don't know my my father was a doctor and he used to always talk about how healthy it is when an infection Rises and all the P comes to the surface you know that that you have a way of dealing with it so in that sense you know I think there maybe some but no I don't I don't place a lot of Hope in um I I I see the Trump Administration moving very quickly to build the control grid and to plunder the United States so I don't have a lot of Hope and is this because of the of him himself or the people that he has around him so I think it's a combination of things first of all the United States has failed if you look at the neocon strategy to build a unipolar model it's failed and now any Administration has to go through a gut-wrenching change um uh you know the plan was to maintain hamani against the Chinese um in the last 10 years we've given up an enormous technological leadership in both science and technology and we failed to implode Russia which was part of where we're going to get the resources to to maintain that hemony so the neocon strategy has failed and that means that we're in for a gut ranging change um but also new technology has changed and if you look at the tools we were using to maintain the unipolar model uh we need new tools so what you're seeing is a a getting rid of the old flushing out the old tools and bringing in the new tools so it's a it's a big change that has to be engineered and if you look at who's changing it you know to me if anything the the Trump Administration is I I call it the musk operation so to me musk is not a person it's a theater it's an operation I don't know how many actors you have playing Elon Musk but it's a lot and and and if you look at the the musk operation you know essentially that is a version a a portion of the deep state that it's reporting to I mean you're watching the Deep State go from a unipolar model to a multipolar model and in that conversion build the control grid I have um heard you use the word coup recently with respect to the Trump regime is that is that is that something you really believe standby yes absolutely AB absolutely but we've had a financial coup that's been going on since 1998 and and the going direct reset I mean I can take you through the history and the chronology but this is simply the next phase so yeah I mean I'll give you an example one of the things you need to build the control grid they want to build is you need to change fiscal policy from being run by Congress to being run by the bankers and what you do to do that what you do is you fire the Civil Service and replace them with corporate contractors who then basically can ignore Congress so the question is who's going to run fiscal policies going to be Congress and and to to do that you need a civil service which implements and requires instructions for compatible with what Congress has authorized for appropriate it you know instead if you put in corporate contractors they will proceed to do and historically have proceeded to do essentially uh you know where the central bankers have been able to to drive fiscal operations in the government it's because corporate contractors were there and were willing to act on non-written instructions you know compatible with Congress so to me that that switching of control of fiscal policy into the hands of the banks is is part of a coup this is something I wanted to just delve a little bit deeper with you um because in a presentation you gave recently you were talking about the the the Civil Service in theed States and and talking about the corporate uh takeover of the operations right um and uh now in the United Kingdom you know part of the problem that we have is that that our civil service is a permanent Civil Service uh that that when a new uh government comes in the that doesn't mean a change of personnel uh for example and so you know we tend to find that uh policy uh runs from one regime to the next uh Without Really skipping a beat uh no matter whether it's you know blue or red is is the the color of the team that happens to be in government at the time is that the same situation in the in in the US and and if that is the same situation and you're talking about the corporate takeover of that as being something worse um but how how much worse could it be actually uh it could be much worse so um so if this the Civil Service generally tend tends to do what they have written instructions to do so let's say you're a new politician coming in a new Administration and you want the Civil Service which is going to the right to go to the left what you have to do is you have to read the written instructions both for the program and then you know the specific written instructions they've been given and you have to change the program and change the written instructions and that takes a lot of work but it can be done um now if you have a corporate contractor who doing you know what you've ordered to do um is it easier to fire them and put in a new corporate contractor maybe either way you have to you have to give them instructions the difference is when I was assistant Secretary of Housing I would have corporate contractors who were quite willing to do things that were outside the law so if you wanted things done for the black budget and you wanted things done for the Deep state by and large you would have the corporate contractors do it um and and what you would sometimes have to do is get the Civil Service to be afraid of doing things and then they would go along or they would simply do nothing but but if you're going to operationalize if if you're G to if you're going to run the federal government either for the benefit of private corporations or pay private corporations to run the operations so you can you can privatize them so if you look at a lot of the data or things that are being shut down or data that's being potentially privatized those are functions that can literally be turned over so for example if you shut down all the bureaucracies that are collecting data on weather doing weather and you shut them down and the government doesn't do it anymore then private companies can pick it up and charge people fees for Weather Services Etc so so that's a kind of privatization including on the just do it method but but what you can also do is you can also bu the civil service and then hire corporate contractors who do that function but they do that function uh in ways that that have side reports so to speak so so they're willing traditionally my personal experiences they're willing to do things that don't follow the law okay well we'll come back onto this a little bit later um but I wanted to move on to to the people that have received quite a lot of attention uh during the confirmation hearing hearings and of course that's RFK Jr and tulsy tulsy gabbard and and uh I'm just wondering what your thoughts are on on them and whether they can actually achieve anything uh under this uh regime that we see in place now I didn't watch the gabard hearings I I had said that I wasn't going to watch the JF uh the RFK hearings and then I just started to watch them and I couldn't stop it was just did you watch any of the RFK hearings I've seen a few Clips but uh they were out of context so I haven't seen the whole thing by any means okay I probably saw about 50% what was shocking to me Mike was watching US senators who refused to face the fact that we have an epidemic of disease among children which is literally at an extinction level events refuse to take responsibility for it refuse to face it and refus to have a plan if you have a problem with the candidate for HHS and you don't like his plan then you know the the way to refute his plan is to have a better plan they they weren't doing that they were just you know trying to throw mud at him and Grill him upside down one side and down another and it was literally embarrassing because they didn't you know it looked like the Senate of the United States was not under adult supervision with rare exception there were there were a couple Senators who were Ron Johnson is always notably terrific but it it was really embarrassing and it was frightening because you're looking at a society that has gone so far away from any pathway towards success as a civilization that it to me it was very scary now I you know I've had many experiences with how bad it is but the level of denial and the level of indifference to what is has become literally a mass atrocity I mean we're watching millions of Americans poisoned in disabled including the children and here's the richly paid Senate doing nothing it was pretty shocking do you think RFK is going to have the ability to do anything about that is he going to be able to to get these guys into action what he has said his strategy is and I believe him is he is going to do everything he can to get the actual data and get it published you know so he's talked about radical transparency if he can do that it will make a huge contribution tion and now that is a very slow painstaking job that's you know that's two to four years in the bows of the baracy digging through trying to get stuff trying to get it published etc etc so it's a long hard job can he do it I think there's a reasonably good chance he can do it if you look at what's happened in the last week or two he's being put through an incredible process to me that's designed to get rid of him right so um his first two weeks had been brutal if you look at what they're doing with musles with MMR and anti-Semitism you know he I don't I don't know the details of of who's doing what and how they're trying it looks to me like somebody's trying very hard to squeeze them out okay well what's the space then uh any chance for peace in Ukraine do you believe that Trump is actually going to do a deal with Russia here's the thing to remember about Ukraine Ukraine has been a huge financial operation and a huge money laundering Transit and it looks to me like you have many vested interests who whether they're stuck in a debt position or they're stuck with money moving through the Ukraine are uh you know they really they really cannot afford to let the US do a deal with Russia you know so you have Europe somebody just told I just talked to somebody in Germany you said they're talking about now doing a draft but for some reason the the parties involved are not yet prepared to face the music and I don't know Mike what it's going to take to face the music I mean the neocon strategy failed we've lost and the question is where do we go from here and for some reason you have a lot of parties who aren't ready to move forward with a real a real deal so I don't know what's going to happen Trump just shut off shut off all military age of the Ukraine so I'm I don't know how much longer Europe can keep them going for you tell me if the UK is going to put in soldiers where are they going to get them oh this is a very good question and you mentioned Germany and the draft and that's absolutely U you know that was a talking point in the UK a year ago under the Tory government uh it was kind of let slide uh in the first few months of the labor government but but that is back uh at at front and center of the the talking points where are they going to get the the men from to to send and it looks like uh conscription is absolutely on the cards uh so we'll we'll see with that one too but look let's let's move on because you're talking about the financial side of things let's move on to that then and uh you know one of the other things that the Trump has done already is to stop further uh development of cbdc in the United States with his executive order to establish digital assets regulatory framework as he calls it no uh but this executive order is also establishing a working group uh comprised of the heads of several agencies uh like the SEC and the cftc which is the com uh commodity Futures Trading commission uh to be chaired by the president's special advisor for AI and crypto and of course they're they're doubling down in this whole Bitcoin and other crypto coin thing and and again this question comes back to uh which is better uh the privatized uh digal currency in the form of Bitcoin or the public the public digital currency in the form of a cbdc or should they all be uh dropped as quickly as we possibly can so what the control grid needs is an all digital monetary system and you can do that private or you can do it public in the United States a private is much more dangerous the the Central Bank in the United States very different than the ECB in Europe or the bank of England but the United States is still under the governance of the Constitution in Congress and so the the the FED still has reporting and disclosure and other obligations to Congress if you do a private one uh especially if you take all the government data and give it to a private AI to do a private social credit system then you're talking about something that is much much more dangerous because you basically found a way to do the equivalent of a cbdc without disclosure requirements to Congress so um so I think you know in theory the way we're headed is much worse but remember the danger is not a cbdc versus a private crypto it's an all digital monetary system and that's you know so let's go back one of the things you need to do a digital control grid is you need the digital ID another thing you need is the fiscal policy reporting to the bankers another thing you need is an all digital monetary system and the last thing you need is a social credit system to do the All Digital monetary social credit system you need Mammoth Mammoth database and data center structures in the United States and of course that's Stargate so we saw the president on you know the first week of his presidency announcing a $500 billion doll Stargate Initiative for data centers all over the country and and with mRNA vaccinations which presumably is part of creating the internet of bodies so you you need all those pieces to snap in together and to get together what they create is the digital concentration camp so I would say the private the way that Trump is going about this is far more dangerous than the way the Fed was going about it where does this leave the FED actually um it's in complete control so let me explain how the US government works every day the federal government or every week borrows money it operates on a deficit so it's functioning it's day-to-day functioning it can't function tomorrow unless it gets money itless it's borrows money who runs that operation it's the primary dealers and the New York fed they borrow the money and they put it in the bank account for the treasury and the agencies in the New York fed and they transact their banking transactions the day the New York fed decides we're not borrowing money or we're not doing the banking transactions the US government stops so I would submit that the that the central bank is in complete control right now and we saw at the beginning of the administration there was a great moment I don't know if you saw it when a political reporter said to uh to Jay pal the chairman of the Federal Reserve you know if if if uh Trump asks you to resign will you and he says no and he says well can the president make you and he said no we have a great new series by John Titus at salar called War for Banky and that video is in the first episode we're just going to publish the third episode tonight but that video was political reporter asking J palal is in the first episode it's a hoot yeah well look the reason I asked that question is because uh because uh Bitcoin for example a digital currency based on uh proof of work and the work that they do to to produce the currency is algorithmic uh and so therefore related to AI it's it's done in data centers with the same types of computer hardware that the AI models are run on and so on and uh so the question then is if if if the aim here is to move towards a privatized uh digital currency if that proof of work is being done at a at a state level then effectively that's equivalent to just printing money and that's sort of but it's not Federal Reserve money so that's why I was asking uh where that needs said so so if you're going to do a a global digital currency or a US digital currency I mean right now our you know dollars are digital almost all of our transactions are digital in the dollar system as it is but if you're going to use a crypto you're not going to use Bitcoin Bitcoin is relatively a liquid the transaction fees are relatively High um Bitcoin is perfect for a Ponzi scheme for a pump and dump but it's not perfect for a global crypto and I suspect that's why when the president announced his uh intention to do a crypto Reserve this last week he mentioned xrp and two others and did not you know he came back later and included Bitcoin but um you know if there's going to be a social credit system teamed up with a crypto it's it's going to be xrp or one of the ones that's truly designed to be a payment system Bitcoin just can't work I mean you know if if you look at the the exponential increased numbers of times that visa and MasterCard can do transactions Visa Bitcoin Bitcoin just can't function you know at that level yes completely agree with that well let let's let's move on then to digital ID because of course uh that's moving on a pace here in the UK with the setup of the British government's office for digital identities and attributes so has there been equivalent progress on digital ID in the United States so since the um Patriot Act they've been trying to get something called the real ID adopted and their their latest push is to do it through the states and insist that you needed to travel and they're getting very bad uptake so they keep warning people they can't travel after a certain point this year I think it's May and yet they're getting very poor uptake but they're pushing hard and of course Trump is making all sorts of noises with election fraud and immigration on Biometrics and there's push for that and I'm not current on the latest details on that I've been trying to work with people at the state level to stop the real ID um I think you know I'm hopeful that more and more more people are beginning to understand the risk of this stuff we've seen a real appreciation now for why it's so important to use cash and checks and to keep the financial system analog and I don't know how you're doing on that in Britain but people are starting to realize oh this technology is more to control it's not really to help us how we're doing that on that in Britain uh well every Supermarket for example is doing its best to get rid of man tills and replace them with the uh automated tills and but I I am aware that well I do but I'm aware that lots of other people as well refuse to simply refuse to use the automated till so so there is still uh and and in fact the recent data is showing that that there has been an uptick an uptick in the uh use of cash over the last couple of years which I think is a positive development but clearly you know that is people standing their grind against corporations and the government of the government is working very hard to make sure that the only uh connection between us as individuals and the government is a digital connection um they're talking about int introducing the requirement to have digital ID in order to vote um and so on so they're pushing very hard to this but people aren't buying it just yet and hopefully that's something that we see in the United States and Europe as well so one of the things that has really helped preserve cash is the disasters and when you have disasters and electricity goes down you know if people don't have cash they're toast and after North Carolina we saw the Norwegian Central Bank Norway has been very aggressive at pushing and extinguishing cash and they announced we're down to 3% cash and you know something it's a mistake to go without cash because of what's happening with electricity and disasters so we're going to roll it back so the Norwegian Central Bank basically said okay we're Embrace cash and I thought that was an exceptionally positive development but it only came after many different disasters made it clear to people there was one great moment Mike when the governor of the New Zealand Central Bank after remember the Cyclones in New Zealand yeah he ca he came out and said thank heavens we had cash and I I turned to John you know we have a show with John Titus every week and I turned to him and I said apparently he didn't get the memo he's not supposed to say that but yeah yes okay uh AI then because you mentioned starget so my question here is uh do you think it's a coincidence uh that the British government uh so starmer uh announces exactly the same policy as Trump's Stargate project just just a week before Trump announced Stargate both of them established identical projects to build multiple data centers to host brand new AI systems both under the cover of claims of personalized cures for cancer provided by mRNA jobs it seems that's too much of a coincidence that we see that on both sides of the Atlantic exactly the same time they're both reporting to the same boss in other words you know Trump is no more in charge of the United States and sta is in charge of the UK right right so you know the question is who's you know where's the operation who's really making these decisions but this is a plan and it's being rolled out so who who is making the decisions you know I know how it worked when I was in there and there's always committees you know they roll up and they have committees and they have long-term plans and they you know they Implement them and uh you know it comes down through the people who govern and run the financial system so it comes down in my experience through the central bankers and and the bis if you if you looked at the G20 meeting in September the September 2024 you had china India Russia and the g 20 all there uh you know and the United States through India swearing allegiance to the bis construct of dig digital IDs and cbdcs so you know there is a planning process that is being run through the bis and through the financial stability board um you know with regular meetings and regular process to do the planning on all of this stuff and it's been going on for years and years and years the bis has Innovation centers around the world that are working on implementing all of these things you know and there are other the other International organizations the IMF the World Bank the UN all have task forces and groups that meet regularly on this stuff so you know I think it's coming down through the Central Banking and the G20 bureaucracy that's what it looks like to me yes if we're talking about personalized medicine uh it's seems to me that personalized medicine it can't be anything to do with providing cures for anything particularly when we're uh in a in an age of increasing recognition that the older generation is unaffordable that's what we're told assisted dying is seen as a solution to that and and my question is you know is personalized medicine actually about using AI to profile individuals with a view as supposed to uh to assessing the likely cost of an individual to the system yes I think they can do all of that now and they've been doing it for a long time I used to call it the databas when I worked in Washington so I I think they're doing a calculation on every person all the time are you worth more dead than alive so um I mean don't laugh Mike when I I you know so I'm part of the social security system in the US and I sat down and thought long and hard should I you know should I take Social Security because then I'm worth more dead than alive you know that will changed my formula so um you know so I think they're doing all of that now um I think what the what the whole Stargate network will give them is the ability to apply a social credit system in terms of manipulating and managing people in a way where they can extract far more value and two of the big questions I have which are you know we have a whole section that we do on unanswered questions two big questions I have is if you if you look at um the all the information on What's called the internet of body the MRNA technology you know madna said they're loading an operating system in your body and if you look at the nanop particles that are in these injections and that are in the food and in the spray that are getting into people's bodies it seems to be when you read their materials they're talking about creating an internet of bodies and two questions is are they able to store data on human bodies and are they able to access energy from human bodies and so to what extent is the data mining operation we're looking at going to include our bodies literally you know think of your body as a server and I don't know the answer I've read a lot of materials and tried to make sense of it but I just don't know but it's clear that they want everything on the planet digitized I was just looking at a website of somebody who's building the internet of forests and they're digitizing using you know Nano particles they're digitizing the trees and all the plants and all the animals so they want to hook everybody and everything up and be able to track it 247 in real time and this brings us right back to Elon Musk now I was interested in your your comments in one of your uh recent talks where you described Elon Musk as being a defense contractor and I just wanted to to understand a little bit about why he said that his compan is according one of the latest headlines I think it was Washington Post his head his companies have received $38 billion doar of contracts or grants from the US government of course the big one being SpaceX SpaceX is a defense contractor right it it's sending Rockets up yeah so yeah so so you're talking about I mean Elon Musk in my view is a defense cont he's a major defense contractor so just if you and if he's gotten um you know if you look at Tesla their subs involved there and um he's the biggest recipient apparently Tesla of Chinese government subsidies for electric hars right so he's getting subsidies from both governments H why is it do you think that nobody sees the conflict of interest there well here's what's interesting let's look at the conflicts of interest so um when I went into the administration I had to pass a very rigorous ethics Poli policy test there's a White House ethics officer and there is for any presidential employee every presidential appointee has to go through extensive FBI background check and and go through that conflict so one of the first things the Trump Administration did was fire the ethics officer okay now then on all the agencies I think there were over 11 agencies where musk's companies were under investigation had something like 20 plus investigations I made a list at one point of them but he had multiple investigations and Regulatory actions what they did is they went in and most of these agencies they fired the Inspector General and and of more often than not that's the person who's doing the investigation right so uh one one Senator said it was the akin to you know uh firing all the sheriffs before the thieves come to town so so you fired and and sort of delivered with the Doge layoff fears and all the agencies that are doing investigations then what we saw was now the FAA has let a big contract out to starlink which is part of SpaceX the surveillance satellite surveillance Network and it truly looks like there was political influence there but again you can't prove now if you're a government special employee it is a it is a crime for you to be involved in anything that impacts your personal profit and whether it's it's the um the conflicts of interest or the cancellation of Investigations or regulatory actions or the letting of new contracts you're looking at potentially massive conflicts of interest and violations the conflict of interest law the big one however Mike is that musk has three companies one is X one is X Ai and one is SpaceX and according to published reports musk is out in the private markets raising capital for all three companies when in fact the transfer of data or the cancellation of these contracts or the new contracts dramatically impact the valuation of those companies which is a massive conflict of interest and and it's not going to be a problem because the SEC there was a special executive order um as this was happening that sort of asserts more presidential control on the SEC so they didn't fire the SEC inp dor General but if you look at what they've done you know musk is I mean if to be out raising money for those companies so for example I mentioned neuralink is not one of the companies he's raising money for but getting the people at the FDA who would oversee apparently the approval and and oversight of neuralink you know getting 20 of those people fired big question marks there so I I I've never you know to me the big one is what does the transfer of data do to the valuation of his AI company and it's interesting is AI company X has a deal with visa and his AI company has a deal with paler AI company when he did the deal with paler on January 27th for for for for the grock AI xai to team up with the paler paler stock shot up like a rocket and Visa stock shot up like a rocket so I'm assuming they were just assuming that grock Ai and xai and the um n x were all going to be part of the new think of it as you know whether it's a combination of social credit or digital money um you're talking about putting in the new control grid and doing it privately through the musk operations you make no mistake about it SpaceX is building one of the great surveillance networks of the world right right so this is an interesting point because you know one of the reasons that uh Huawei was kicked off British telecoms networks and I believe in the United States as well was because uh of the um perceived National Security risk of having Chinese equipment on a network which is going to be dual use so civilian plus military applications as well and that in the UK case was the 5G network starlink is being sold to people as you know this great way for people in Countryside areas is to get access to the internet but but they're putting up these the hundreds and hundreds of satellites it's it's not just about internet access it's a global surveillance Network that's why some people call it Skynet right the UK's uh equivalent you know the UK has the UK bought uh a a satellite company called oneeb uh a few years ago it was out of business also putting up low earth orbit satellites just like uh uh SpaceX and uh and that system is the system that's being deployed is called Skynet this is what they they you know this is internet trolling [Laughter] perhaps yeah it's all in the James Bond movies exactly now massive conflicts of interest uh and apparently nobody really paying much attention to that I mean what what is it going to take and what are the what do people need to do to to to raise the alarm bells on this my guess is what we're watching is the government simply being privatized so so you are watching the Deep States strip out what they need and moving it private and building a control grid and you know I think what you do depends on where you are but the reality is um we can't look to the government to to prot protect the basic bread and butter of day-to-day life and the civilian infrastructure in other words there's no longer anybody at home who's interested in maintaining a civilized infrastructure in our countries and that means you know we have to make other plans so this is why it's so important whether you're taking action in your home or you're taking action in your community in the United States you should be working with the states um there are states where you can get a lot done at the state level particularly because in our under our constitution the states are superior to the federal government in in things not delegated to the federal government and so there's a lot that can be done with the states but you've got to focus on the bread and butter of daily life which is Food Water Shelter energy and you can't depend on government to provide those things or to make sure they're being done responsibly so it's time to get very interested in what jurisdiction you're in and whether it's operating properly and what you can do to make sure it's operating properly and what you can make make you can do to network one of my favorite quotes and you've heard me say this Mike is from the Swiss doctor who said the currency of the future will be relationships of trust and I think we need to come down to a very close intimate level and look hard at who who can we trust and who can we count on including to provide the Practical day-today things that we need in this world I think that's a really important message because you know we we are constantly bombarded by people saying well what can we do and and of course what they're being demoralized by is is they're seeing this massive Juggernaut form and and they really don't have an answer to it but actually the answer is is absolutely local because uh as you say we've got to be building our local communities we've got to be sourcing uh our food and what we need for on a local basis this is something that people aren't doing in an active way at the moment and of course this control grid which is being sold to us is being sold to us in the form of entertainment but it's also being sold to us in the form of convenience you know it's convenient to use a digital currency it's convenient to have a a digital Eva scheme if you want to move to travel to another country it's convenient to do all these things instead of sitting on the phone for six hours to hmrc or whoever it happens to be um it's convenient to phone your doctor or you take an online appointment rather than having to travel to the the surgery we've got to the first step it seems to me we've got to be willing to be inconvenienced and significantly inconvenienced and demand to be inconvenienced uh as as a first step to dealing with this so it's funny because when I first realized I first realized this in 1998 I was sitting and I was writing a check on JP Morgan's private wealth account and I my hand froze and I said why am I banking with the bank that's doing all the mortgage fraud you know I need to come clean so I dramatically you know I tried to move everything out of global into local I tried to move everything so that so that you know even my furniture was made by somebody I knew you know I tried to make everything at an intimate level and it took a couple years to make the transition we've got an article it's L report called coming clean that's about the process of going through it and then one day I woke up and I realized my life is so much more pleasant because I don't have any bad dogs I the bad dogs are out of my pocketbook they're out of my life they're out of my health they're at you know I've just gotten rid of them all and so I'm dealing with systems and people of integrity and yes it's much more low Tech but but you know high-tech isn't faster when you're constantly being defrauded by one player or another or lied to about health therapies or you know whatever and so so what you want to do is you want to get into very very high integrity you know and then that involves taking the time to do due diligence and to get to know people and build relationships and everything else but it's a much I mean I got to tell you I I have a great life and I have a great life because I'm associating with so many you know my boss is thousands of subscribers all over the world who let me say whatever I want even if they don't like the fact that I can be negative about Trump they get a little ornery about that sometimes but you know it's it's when you when you move all the Practical systems of your life to have as much Integrity as possible life gets much nicer because we are watching a civilization that's losing Integrity as we speak you know and if you think that this information is bad way till the AI reaches a level of an IQ of 6,000 and it's just spewing one disinformation after another seek Integrity don't worry about convenience yeah start with physical books physical cash physical everything as far as I can see yeah um okay well look that's that's roughly 45 minutes so that that's wonderful I want I want to I'd like to leave with one question uh speaking of central bankers and that is is Mark Carney going to be the next Canadian Prime Minister God help us probably I just want to point out it's salar we have two great documents one is called this is for the Americans what the states can do although if you're in any other country in the Western World it will give you great ideas on what you can do in your country but the other one is we have a big piece called Bitcoin bailout and if you want to understand why you don't want government I mean if if you're going to cut and fire all these people because you need to save money the last thing you should be do is turning around and putting it in in speculative assets so get a copy of Bitcoin Ballout or what the states can do will give you tons and tons of ideas on all the different things you can do and and you know if enough people start doing it there is hope there's a lot of Hope absolutely and and you know you said some nice things about the UK column at the beginning of this salari report is fantastic and it's definitely worth the effort so if anybody isn't familiar with salari do go and have a look and uh and grab a couple of those the reports that that uh uh Katherine's talking about so um Katherine I'm gonna say thank you very much for joining us today that's been a really interesting conversation I think we need to to do much more uh on this in the future and uh let's see how things develop and let's see how people react yeah especially because if you look at the fact that the you know Stargate is being done at the same time in the same country you know it's a it's a it's a plan and we can see it when we when we integrate cross country absolutely thank you Katherine thank you thank you much [Music]