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Rabbi Cahn's Faith Journey and Insights

Ladies and gentlemen, I have in studio with us today my favorite author of my favorite book since the Bible. And this book was so good that when I read it, it was like when I while I was reading it, I like looked for every possible waking moment to get back to it. You know how you read something and then you got to go do something and then you read something, you got to go do something. Well, I was reading something, I was like, I got to get back to this book. I got to get back to this book. And it was so good. And it just it just kept drawing me in and drawing me in and drawing me in. And then when it was over, I didn't cry, but I got real close. I got closer to crying at the end of this book than any other book I've ever read. And that book is called The Oracle. And the author is none other than Rabbi Jonathan Khan from the pastor of Beth Israel Church in New Jersey. Pastor Rabbi Jonathan Khan. So glad to have you. Honored to be here. Wow. I I I thought I was I was I was so proud of myself, for lack of a better word, because I thought I'd read all of your books. And then I found out this morning, you got a book I didn't even know you had. I'm like, how did that happen? You snuck one in on me, guys. But um but um I have read I have read I first book I read was The Paradigm, and it blew my mind. It blew my mind. Um and that was probably that was wow. That was probably 2017. Okay. Okay. Was that when it came out? 2017. 20 was I probably I probably read it as soon as it came out then. Um and so that's what 8 years ago. And it blew my mind. And then I started looking for other stuff. You have And I found the book of mysteries. 365 mysteries, one for every day of the year. Like like Jewish mysteries. It's Hebrew mysteries. So so good. Um just you know you you know what the one that hit me? It helped me understand why the Hebrew day starts at night. You remember that? You remember that secret? And I read that and I thought that is so good. Like the evening and the morning were the first day and the evening and the because in God's economy things go from dark to light. They go from worse to better. Yes. I was like, "Oh, this is so good." Right. And some something so powerful and yet so simple. Um I appreciate you being here with us. And now you've got a new book out that I just finished a couple weeks ago called The Avatar. Um, this book right here is when people ask me why I like um your book so much, the what I tell them is because it's like reading a history book in parallel with a prophecy book that's wrapped in a novel. So that's how I see when I that's how I think of your books as I'm reading. I'm like, this is like I'm I'm a I thought I was a fairly decent author, right? And I'm reading these books. I'm like, how do you even do this? So, needless to say, I guess y'all can tell on YouTube and here in the audience, I'm a little excited about this opportunity to have this conversation. My honor to be here and to meet you. Well, right. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. I I the feeling is so mutual. So my first question is um you you you you give the your testimonies on YouTube about how you know you came to Christ after you were hit by a train in a Ford Pinto which generally you don't have conversations with people after that. Right. But be I want to I want to start our conversation before that. Mhm. Because you grew up in a Jewish home. Your father was a Holocaust surviv survivor. Your parents were both scientists. And you went to Hebrew school. If if and if I'm getting any of this wrong, you can correct me. That's correct. You went to Hebrew school. And so you there was a level of confusion, for lack of a better word, between what the things that you were learning about this God in Hebrew school and how it seemed like the people that were in your community family were living their lives and then you concluded that I don't believe in God. I'm an atheist. Right. Tell us that story. Yeah. In a sense. Yeah. Give give me a better Yeah. My father came from Germany. From Germany. And when he was about 10 years old, Hitler took over. Okay. And so he went through the whole first part of the Holocaust, he um up to the point of Crystal Knock when they the night of broken glasses when the Nazis just destroyed everything Jewish. Um and then his father said, "We got to get you out of here." And so what people don't a lot of people don't realize is the the German Jews, they knew something was coming. And so those who could got their children out. And so it was actually there were Christians involved in it because the Christians of England prevailed on the government after Crystal Knock. You got to get we got to save the Jewish children from Germany. About 10,000 were saved and one of them was my father. Wow. And they they put him on a train. It was the last time he ever saw his mother. His mother actually died of a heart attack. Not you know but because of everything. His father was in Germany. My grandfather up until 1941 which is real late getting Jews out other Jews out. And then he got out at the last minute and they ended up they you know my father ended up going to England um and then they were England arrested all the Germans Jewish and Nazi spies arrested them together shipped them on uh put them on uh uh ships to across the Atlantic to go to a prisoner of war camp in Canada. So my father was as a a war criminal because they they put them all as you know all the same you know until they realized these are Jewish refugees. And then he eventually got out, got an education, became a scientist, studied for his PhD, met my mother who was born in Brooklyn. Her family escaped Thesar. Russia was trying to kill the Jews there. If you're Jewish, kind of always on the run. And so um so so she ended up uh you know pursuing chemistry as a PhD. They met together, got married, had three children. I was the fir I was the boy. There was two two girls and a boy. So I was the I was the youngest and I was the boy. Um, and I still am male. Didn't didn't come out right. So, so, um, you know, so I grew up, you know, I grew up my my, it was, in one hand, it was secular. Most Jewish people in America aren't religious. They're secular Jewish. Mo, unless you're Orthodox, most of them are, hey, I'm Jewish like I'm Italian. This what I am. Okay. Um but so we I I went to Hebrew school, you know, but my my my home was kind of again scientific, you know. Um so yeah, it was when I was I was watching the the film strips about David and the prophets and God moving on and God real in Hebrew school. Yeah. And then and I said, "But I don't see this in the synagogue." And the synagogue was all liturgy. It was all tradition. But the rabbi never said, "Hey, God spoke to me today or or God changed my life." If it wasn't like that, it was religion, you know. So that's when I said that's when I became an atheist. I was eight eight years old. You were an eight You were an eight-year-old atheist. Yes. Yes. Wow. That's really early. Yeah. It's it's what cuz I was thinking about it, you know, but as time went on, I said, "Wait a minute. Atheism doesn't work. You know, there's got to be a reason behind this this camp. There's got to be a reason for the world. There's got to be." So I started seeking that reason. So I started being open. Now I'm about like 12, 13 and I'm I'm getting every book I could on science, on religion, on UFOs, on Nostradamus, on the occult, on every single thing. Wow. For an answer, you know. Um, and one day I picked up a book. I thought it was a UFO book and and it was it was because they made it look like it that year. They used a different kind of type that was there were these books coming out at that time called Chariots of the Gods, ancient all that stuff. And so, but it was called the late great planet earth by how Lind and I picked up the book and and it was all about is this the generation that Jesus spoke about? Is this is this the biblical prophecy? It was all about end time prophecy. And I'm now I had already read about Jesus like you know it's got God got me through the back door because because if I thought it was just religion I wouldn't be interested. But I had read about Jesus is in is in everything. He's in every book. He's in you know every he's in the occult books. He's in the UFO books. He's in the new age books. He's in everything. So I already okay I could now I'm more reading about Jesus and but it said but is this the generation it was is this the prophet they talk about the Bible predicting prophesying what was going to happen in the end times particularly Israel is going to come back into the world starting with that and I I never heard this nobody ever you know Hebrew school they never said this at all but that the God of the Bible what he said is coming true right now um in the world end time prophecy. So I was like amaz I was blown away by it. So I'm telling all my friends about it. I'm I'm tell I'm I'm preaching. I didn't know the Lord. How how old were you when you read Late Great Pal? About 13. 13. 13 14. Wow. And so now now I remember in high school we I had we had speech class, you know, English speech. And I'm pre I preached during that class. You know I preached about the the you know the second coming. You know people almost got saved at that class you know and actually I did lead people to the Lord and I wasn't saved. I did you during that time I'm telling them all about it and their life is changing. But so as I'm as I'm reading I'm also reading now I'm picking up the Hebrew scriptures from our in our home and I'm reading all about end time prophecy in the Hebrew scriptures and I'm reading about the Messiah. The Messiah, our Messiah. And I'm looking at it because nobody ever told me this. He's going to be born in Bethlehem. He's going to he's going to ride into Jerusalem on a donkey. He's going to become a light to the Gentiles. He's going to be killed. He's going to die for our sins. that's all there in the prophets and you know they never told us this. They said this is Catholic. How did it get in our Bible? How did you know? And so I'm like so I'm coming to believe you know now you know in Jesus as the Jewish Messiah. By the way I never felt more Jewish than when I discovered this. It was like wow that's the reason that's why we're here. And so I'm I'm reading this and um more and more because you had the Bible and Nostradamus and then it's like no no only the Bible nothing speaks with this authority. nothing like this. And then it's not then it's Jesus and then it's then it's like I'm telling people about Jesus now or Yeshua. I'm telling people about it and you know and some are getting saved and I'm and I'm saying but I'm not saved and and and what happens when he comes back and I'm not so you know it's saying like I'm not right with God and so now I re I'm realizing it's coming like this God has called now I'm like 16 17 and this is more of a fascination for you than anything. It started it started as that. I mean it was intellectual that you know I was seeking truth. It wasn't like somebody let me you know my heart was it was just I knew I couldn't argue with it right and so but now it's kind of hitting okay now the Lord is saying okay but you're not right you know and what happens if he comes back you're not right u with him and so I realized I had to get right but I didn't want to get right because I didn't want to give up uh what I I had a rock band I had a lot of stuff and I thought that if I follow the Lord I have to become a monk and join a monastery and that's the end of my life. Yeah, that that I thought. So, so what I did is I did something very Jewish. I made a deal with God. I said, "Lord," I said, "If you give me a long life, I will accept you when I'm on my deathbed." Wow. And so soon after that, I thought I kind of had God on that one. So soon after, but God God has a lot more experience than I I do. And so what happened is soon after I made that, I almost got killed twice. First time I was in a car. I was in a car with somebody who I was helping leading to the Lord and it was a miracle. We got into an accident. A miracle we didn't get killed. Okay. I didn't think a lot about it. But then soon after that, I'm in a Ford Pinto and I'm heading to college at night and I'm heading to a train track and it's nighttime and there had been a storm like a winter storm and the and there was no protection on that track and you couldn't even see where the track it was like a it was a messed up road and it was coming at an angle just two rails and people have been hit there and so I'm I'm there and I see the lights going on u but the people are crossing so I figured well maybe maybe it already passed you or Maybe it's broken. So, but let me I want to make sure. So, I'm inching up, going up, going. I look and I see a light and it's the train. And it but I I I I assumed it was the train. It was, but it didn't look like it was moving much cuz it was coming head on. I was right on the track. And I didn't I didn't realize and and I said, "Okay, you know, you know, I'm waiting." I said, "Maybe I'm too close just to be sure. Just to let me try to back up." And I look I look in the rearview mirror and there's headlights in back of me. So, now the train's coming. It didn't I didn't know that I could even move back, but I I said, "Let me just move." I moved back like a foot, but I I thought I was just being extra safe. I was still in the path of the train. So, the train comes, smashes into the Ford Pinto. The Ford Pinto goes up like aluminum foil. And the only thing I could do at that moment was call out to God. So, I called out to God, the car was destroyed, and I didn't get a scratch. And so and so I said, "Lord, I realized I was that close, you know, to eternity." And so I said, "Lord, I I prayed again." I said, "Can we renegotiate?" I I said I said, "When I'm when I'm on my deathbed," but my deathbed it was kind of creeping up on me. So I said I said, "Lord, I'll make a new deal with you. I'll accept you when I turn 20." That that was the new deal, when I turned 20. And so now I was 19. That was about like eight like nine months. I said, "But just give me time and just don't kill me until then." So on my 20th birthday, and this is like a man who had a contract that ran out. That's what it was like. I gave my word to God. So I got to do it, you know. So I didn't know how to do it, you know. I I I mean, I've been watching now Christian television and Christian listening to Christian radio and reading the Bible as I could, but I didn't know how. I wasn't in a church. But I said, I remember from Hebrew school that Moses met God on a mountain and Elijah met him on a mountain. So said, "Let me find a mountain." So So I, so I find a mountain. Um, and that that I get there, it's on my 20th birthday. At night, I head up to the top of the mountain. I never And on top of the mountain, I kneel down on a rock and gave my life to the Lord on my 20th birthday, you know. And it says, you know, it's written in the Bible that Jews require signs. You know, I required a train, you know, and but God knew it. I thank God for that train, you know, and years later, I'm reading the Bible and I'm reading, you know, my lineage is from Aaron. I'm descended from Aaron. Um that that anybody who's named Con. Yeah. Yeah. So, so but you know, I never thought about it much, you know, but um a few years later I'm reading the Bible and it says that the sons of Aaron in the time of the temple entered into began serving the Lord when they turned 20. So, I had no idea. I was just looking for time. I was going for a big number, you know, and God knew it. God knew it on my 20th birthday. That is an amazing story. Wow. God is awesome. Yeah. And and I I'll I'll tell you one little sequel that I don't want to say is is you know after that you know the Lord you know of course we'll I'm sure she'll get into but did a lot of things I ended up in the nations I always ended up on a mountaintop and the mountaintop was always some showdown with some god or some satanic thing on the mountaintop always you know and so I come back it's years later and I said let me go back to the mountain where I came to the Lord on you know so it's on my and it's on my birthday again you know cuz I got saved on my birthday so I get I go there. It's at night. I I go up with a flashlight, a Bible, uh a chauffear, and a tala, the the the shaw. And I get to the top. I find the rock, you know, and I'm having a great time with God and just giving him thanks for everything he did. And I sound the trumpet. And I open up the Bible. And I'm not saying every time you open up the Bible, but you know, sometimes it does happen. I open up the Bible. I have a flashlight and it says, "The enemy says I have your mountain." Said, "The enemy says I have a mountain, but I'm on a mountain right now." I said that's kind of strange, you know. So the next day I'm at service at at the at Beth Israel where I leave and a woman's waiting at the end and she says um happy birthday. I know it's your birthday and I bought you something. They bought bought me this framed uh drawing from and I look at it. It's a man standing on top of a mountain with a tali blowing a chauffear. I said that's interesting because that was me last night. She said what do you mean? I said well I went back to the place where I came to the Lord. She said, 'Well, on the top of a mountain.' She said, 'What mountain?' I said, 'I don't know the name of the mountain.' She said, 'Well, tell me what mountain. I said, describe it. She said, 'I know the mountain.' I said, ' Do you? She said, 'Yes. Said, I live at the bottom of it. I said, ' Really? She said, ' Do you know what that mountain is? I said, no. She said, that mountain is dedicated to Satan. I said, well, I got saved on the top of it. And she said, on the top? That's where they gather. I said, well, I just kneel down on this flat rock. Said, that's the altar. and and you know and it made sense because the thing is that I remember seeing uh words on the mountain and the word said no Jew shall enter these sacred grounds and at the time I said who would write that like Nazis who would write that you know well Satan would write it this you know because for 2 years he's been trying to keep the Jewish people from their sacred ground which is Messiah which is Yeshua which is Jesus I said too late Satan this I'm I'm in you know and so that's yeah so and and So my walk has never been normal, you know, and and so and and the thing is, you know, a lot of people think they get saved in a, you know, in a nice church with a God has a great plan for your life. I get I get I get saved on a satanic mountaintop with no Jew shall enter these grounds and that explains that. But God knew, you know, God knew because God knows everything. He knows everything. Wow. So wow, what an amazing story. So I've got other questions. So, Hebrew school, is that like from first grade through 12th grade? Is that It can It can be. It's kind of whatever your parents do. Like, most of my friends never went to Hebrew school, but they got bar mitzvah, you know, they they put them in just to get the bar mitzvah. I was kind of the opposite. I was put in from first grade onward until when I became an atheist. I said, I don't believe I'm I don't want to do this, you know. So, I went up to like sixth grade. Gotcha. Gotcha. And it was it was the disparity between the things that you saw in Hebrew school and the things you saw in your real life. Well, in well, the things in the Bible, right, and then the things in the synagogue, they wasn't the same. They weren't the same. Well, it was not really the same faith. So fascinating. And and there's a reason for that because it's because of Jesus because, you know, he is the Messiah. And so when we've turned when we turned from him, we lost that the whole biblical everything, you know, and so we have tradition the fulfillment of the law and the prophets. Yeah. Yeah. So when you take him out, he's the center of of true Judaism. He's the center of everything. So you take him out, everything's empty. You don't have, you know, you don't have the spirit of God. You don't have, you know, all those things are still happening, but they're now it's now cold. You ostracized yourself from them basically because you said, "I'm not going to accept this is not I'm going to refute this." Yeah. So wow. And so so the Jewish people have like one side of the mystery. They are the physical branches. They are the physical nation. But then but they don't have the center which is the spirit. But then you have true Christians. They're the spiritual Israel. And so they have the other part of it. And so it's really only complete on both sid both need each other. It's only complete when they come together. 100%. Wow. So good. Wow. That was good. Um, so let let's talk let's talk about I I want to get to your book, The Avatar, but before we do, I want to get to what which book was your first book? The Harbinger. The Harbinger. The Harbinger. Yes. How like when you write a book like that, how does how does it how do you research like it it feels to me as an author as well as a reader impossible to be able to write a book like that? So how does it happen? How did that how did that happen? It hap it happened I was standing at ground zero. This is how it happened. And um um you're standing at ground zero in 2001 or No, this well I I was actually actually in 2001 I was I was seeing the one the woman who would become my wife and she was supposed to be there at ground zero at the World Trade Center at there at 9:00 that morning and the last minute her plans were changed and that happened with several people in our congregation and some of them because we're we're across the river from some of them were actually in the building and they got out you know But but so I was there, but this was now I believe four years after and and I'm standing there because I already knew there was stuff God was showing me about all this. And and I'm standing at the corner of ground zero and I see a tree that I've been struck down. And something says the Lord says there's a mystery here. You have to seek this out. And as I see I start seeking it out and then the tree is like one key a puzzle piece. And then there's and there's another one and another one. And it kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger and the church and all everything. Yeah. And and finally where where you know when like when I needed the next thing like it would just happen or it would come to me or someone would say something and that would be the key or I'd be typing in my computer and something would come on my computer that I did not type I did not look for and that would be the key, you know. So God and and the thing is that's how really every book has been like that. Every book I can't reproduce it. God just leads me. Just leads me. Or he puts something in my head like with the paradigm. I'm sitting I'm sitting my laying in my bed. My my wife is next to me and three things come to me and I'm like, is that real? Like this. And I get up, I go on my I go online, I start researching and it's like all real. Like it's all like, wow, Lord. But it it came like that. So the Lord just leads it. And then and then the other thing with the I never wrote a book in my life. I don't know how to write books, you know. I never wrote a book, you know. And so and so I I I originally wrote the Harbinger non-fiction like I'm writing I'm simply all all the books are non-fiction but sometimes I do it through a story right so so I'm doing it and then as when I finish it the Lord says okay rewrite the whole thing but now I want you to do it put a story in it you'll reach more people because God uses parables God uses pictures so once I did that like in uh in two hours the whole story like I saw the prophet I saw the guy the seals I saw Noria I saw thing and so I started writing when I started writing it the Harbinger it wrote itself I mean every time I sat down it's like every time I sat down was a half chapter and it was the easiest thing I ever did you know easiest thing I ever did so that's how that's how it began with a harbinger I I I think one of the important lessons for all of us to learn whether you're watching on YouTube or whether you're here in the room with us is to realize that the scripture is true when it says that um trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not unto your own understanding in all your ways acknowledge him and he will direct your path. Right? And and I think like I I haven't re I haven't I'm I'm not going to pretend that when I wrote my books it just came to me. It it didn't. However, I've written sermons that were an absolute download and I started typing and I didn't get done until the sermon was done. I'm like where did that come from? Yeah. Right. There have been things that I've discovered in scripture that I wasn't looking for and it just came as a complete download. I get that like I I've experienced that on a smaller scale. So it's it's a remarkable thing. Yeah. It's got to I mean I mean we we we act knowing and believing and knowing the Lord is using us, acting through us if we're seeking his. Yeah. We're it's it's to be like that. Um and and you know with it's been like it's been like that. Now that doesn't mean there's not research. I usually for for every book I usually have thousands of pages of research. Sure. But but the Lord will guide me through that research and and that's and like here's the next thing. Here's the next thing. Whoa. You know, and that through that comes the book. So good. So good. Um like when I read the the title of the oracle, the oracle and then uncovering the jubilee mystery like that's interesting title for a book, right? And then when you brought it all full circle at the end, I don't want to give it away for people who haven't read it yet, but I I was so blown away. But the thing for me as we talked about when we were in my office, I think one of the biggest problems in mo in the modern day church is that we have made God too small and man too big. But God is so sovereign. The scripture says, "But our God, he is in the heavens. He hath done whatsoever he hath pleased." Um it says that he is in one mind and who can turn him and whatsoever his soul desireth even that will he do. Like God is sovereign. And we have this idea that God is some decrepit senior citizen in the sky who smiles at us lovingly every time he looks at us. But God is a sovereign king. And he's not just the king of those who realize he's the king. He is the king of everything and the king of every person and the king of every molecule and every particle and every quantum particle that has ever existed. And and when we realize that that's how sovereign God is, it gives us a totally different perspective of what it means to be one of the king's kings or one of the king's queens and to be the be a child of the king. So I I I I think that one of the reasons I love the oracle so much is because it shows people who God says he is and not just who people think he is. Yeah. And I and I think I think really you know when I when I kind of look to see like what's a theme because I don't plan this out it's like whatever comes but but the theme in all of them you know is that is that God is and certainly is that you know the God of the Bible is alive and well and and he's he didn't just raise kings up then and put them down and nations. He's doing it right now. I mean right now and every moment of our lives, you know, is if we're is part of that, you know, is part of that thing. Every moment of everyone's life. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Even when they don't serve him. Yeah. Exactly. That you, you know, you're either a child or you're an instrument one way or the other. You'll be used one way or the other, you know. Um so, yeah. So, and and and in fact, you know, the way the Lord really showed me from the beginning, like it wasn't just when I wrote when I originally wrote um the Harbinger, I also didn't know how to how a book gets published, you know, I didn't know any of this stuff, you know, I just I just wrote the book, you know, because I knew it was the Lord and I trusted it. And what happened was, and this is like talk about the sovereignty of God, when I was um when I finished it, the week I finished it, I was heading on a plane to go to speak at Promisekeepers in Dallas and the the plane stopped at Charlotte airport and um and people people who were in the industry, you know, who I knew said, "Okay, well, you got to you got to brand yourself cuz you know, people know you in the Messianic move, but they don't know you. The publishers don't know you. So, you got to I'm not branding myself. I'm not a cow. I'm not going to I have no clue. So So I was actually I was actually I was grieved by this thing, you know, and I'm I'm in the airport. I'm in the airport and I b I bow my head. I said, "Lord, the harbinger is your message. You have to you know how to get messages out, you know, and you don't need you don't even need an agent. You don't need anything. You know how to do it. So do it." I open up my eyes. There's a man sitting to my left and he turns to me and he says, "So what's the good word?" I said, "What's the good word?" I said, I said, "God loves you." He says, 'I know that, but what's the good word?' I'm thinking, this is kind of strange, you know. So, I'm sharing with him and I'm trying to win him to the Lord and I realize he's trying to win me to the Lord and until we both realize it and he says, Jonathan, he says, God gave you a book. He gave you a word. This book is of God, and he's going to spread it across America and the world. He said, you have been, you know, you've been known, but it's nothing compared to what's going to happen. And you've done things, but it's nothing compared to what's going to happen. He starts handing me $100 bills. He said, "God's going to multiply your reach a hundred times." And the thing is, now the back fact back about how God works together. I don't know if you're into football. Um I'm Yeah. Not really. I mean, I've seen a football game in my life. Okay. That that's Jewish cuz most Jewish people aren't into football, you know, cuz it's a lot of very big Gentiles running around after an uncosher pig skin. It's very scary. Very scary. So we just kind of we we know Moses condemned it somewhere but we can't find it. So so so I I don't know but people are into football know this. It was it was called it was the called the greatest catch in Super Bowl history is called the helmet catch. Guy named David Tyrie New York Giants catches the ball on his helmet. Okay. So and and but the thing is that David Tyres is a Christian born and he's praying Lord more than football. I want to spread your word. And before he goes into the game, a guy gives him a word and says it says the God's gonna cause something to happen here that's going to make you famous and you're going to glorify God. So it happened. It happened, you know. And so he wrote a book glorifying God and mentioned the guy's name who gave him that word. Well, the guy who's sitting next to me at the airport is that guy who gave him that word. Wow. And the thing is he when he sat down next to me right just as I prayed that prayer, he didn't know I was praying. He said, "God just spoke to him and said, 'You have to speak to this man." And he said, "I'm there's no way I'm doing that." See, for some reason, I know you're going to find it surprising. Some reason some reason he thought I looked Jewish. [Laughter] And he saw me in black and I kind of moved. He said, "Okay, he's orthodox, you know." So, so he thought you were. So, so he he wasn't he said, "I'm not doing it." And then literally said he was gripped in fear. I mean, I'm sorry, pain. And they until he released the word. And so, he released the word and because of David Tyrese's Super Bowl catch. I'm talking about God is sovereign over every moment. You know, because of the helmet catch and because that all happened that put this guy because he was me David Terry mentioned this guy in the book that put this guy in touch with Steve Strang who's the president of Charisma book publishers. Wow. And so I get a I get a I get a an email from Steve Strang, the president of Charisma, who says, "We heard what happened at the airport. We heard about this thing called the Harbinger. We have no idea what it is, but we're interested." That's how the harbinger went forth to the world by the hand of God, not by the hand of man. That's how sovereign God is. And that and that I know no matter what happens, the God saying, "Listen, it's all me. Remember that. It's all me. I'm in charge of everything." You know, so that's so even the books itself that came to be because of that. Wow. That's so awesome. And I I think the beautiful part about what you just talked about that story you just talked about is too many of us who are believers are attempting to make things happen. as opposed to trusting the God who is going to make things happen. Yeah. And and being, you know, and we are we are able to be part of it. You know, it's not our faith isn't it's it's I mean, it's God is the one who ultimately does everything. That's good. But it's not God without using us, you know, at the same time. God sometimes says, "Don't do anything. Be still and see the salvation of God." But the Lord Jesus, Messiah Yeshua is God and man together. But all God ultimately and so every good thing is going to be, you know, that's going to happen in our life. It's God working will work through us. Works apart from us, but works through us that we can. That's it. But it's all from him. We're just, hey, flow through me. I want to be your vessel. Like we can't do God's part. He won't do our part. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. We've got we've got a part to play. Yeah. For sure. Wow. So the great the greatest joy is finding doing what you were made to do. There's nothing like it. There's nothing like it. There's nothing like it. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So So that was the oracle. The the paradigm was amazing. The Harbinger was amazing. The Harbinger 2 was amazing. The mystery of the Schmita was fantastic. Um thank you. Thank you. Um the the dragon's prophecy was mindblowing. Like we are there. Yeah. Right. and the return of the gods was like that's why all this craziness is going on in the world with gender. Yeah. Whatever. It's it's this is not a new thing. No. No. Like like oh this is old. This is not new. This is old. Yeah. I mean I mean it's it's in a it's in a magnitude like it's been magnified. But because and for those who don't know the return just in a nutshell with that principle is that remember what Jesus gave the parable about the man who was possessed and he gets delivered right and then but he stays empty and so the the spirit comes back and brings seven others he ends up being eight times worse than he was and people think okay it's about a god well we know listen we know once you know God you never turn away yes but he's talking about more because he says so it will be with this generation so and the ultimate warning see our civilization Western civilization originally was given to the spirits. It was pagan. It was given to the gods. Be the Bible says behind the gods are actually spirits, you know. And so when the when the gospel came spirits, fallen angels, by the way, just like Yeah. And and when Yeah. evil spirits and and when the gospel came, it it like drove it all. It drove out the gods. It drove out the spirits. So this is we have a civilization that has been exercised. That's what makes it so unique. Western. But the warning is that any civilization, nation, or culture that has known God, been delivered of these things by the power of the gospel, if it ever should empty itself of God, what was cast out of it will come back into it. Eight times, seven times more. Yeah. And so we're going So what we have been seeing is exactly what Jesus said. For the last half century, we've been watching the West and America drive God out. But you're not the house is not going to stay empty. Right. So what's what's happening and what's come back in what what the return of the gods is that what was driven out is come back into it. The same ones and I talk about vengeance. I talk about Yes. And I talk about a the a dark trinity of these these gods that are in the Bible that happened when Israel turned away. But the one you you you alluded to um is is Ishtar or Torrath which is the goddess of sexual immorality. So is not an accident that as we started taking God out in this early 60s what came the sexual revolution came and then came the destruction of marriage and and all the and then but the other side to that's what Ishtar was Ishtar was a prostitute right prostitute goddess the harlot goddess so she she takes god out of she takes sexuality out of the the marriage covenant and puts it into the culture sexualizes the culture and weakens marriage. So that's so that's part of it. And by the way, she in in in Greek and in in uh when they worshiped her, they called her the great prostitute. But in Greek, that's the great porn porn. She's actually the first pornography on planet earth uh organized is is the pornography of this goddess. Yeah. So we got all these things. But the other side of it is that it wasn't just that. In one of the inscriptions that it speaks about her is she says, "I am a woman. I am a man. She is the goddess. And it says it says one one of her the hymns praises says, "Oh, you're the one who turns men into women and women into men." And so when as this progresses as this kind of takes hold of the culture, this other darker side comes out. And so that's why in the last period, what we've been watching is a war against gender, a war against she confused male and female, she confused man and woman, boy and girl. Um and she for instance her priests were men who dressed up in drag and performed as people brought their children and their families to see them perform. you know, um she actually had priests uh trans surgically transitioned to appear as women and and the other thing is you you you mentioned, you know, one of her signs was the sign of the rainbow. Mhm. You know, and one of them and and and the key month that where she possessed the culture was the month of June, you know. So, in ancient history, y'all, not just ancient Yeah. In ancient history. Yeah. Yeah. And yet now, as you said, you know, now it's come back in ways that are even even worse than see, you know, pagan or pre-Christian, that's bad enough. But post-Christian is, you know, pre-Christian, you got a you get a Nero. PostChristian, you have a Hitler or an antichrist. So, so that that's what we're dealing with, you know, in that. Wow. So good. So good. Like that's that's like heavy insightful. Um, you have the, um, in that book, you got the book, the return of the gods, and it talks about that. You got the book about the dragons prophecy about the antichrist and the end times, and all of the stuff is so like the world is so ripe right now for all for all of that prophecy. And you see it unfolding every day. And the more you know about it, the easier it is for you to see it in real like the what you've been looking at in scripture since the late great planet earth. And up to now you're like cuz when you first read the late great planet earth like a lot of it sounds fascinating and mind-blowing. But some of the prophecies that were in there, you couldn't imagine how they could come about cuz there was no internet when that was written. There was no AI. there was no like um ability to have like worldwide surveillance of human all of that stuff. There was no cryptocurrency. There was no injectable tracking devices. All of that stuff exists now. Mhm. And so it's really fascinating to see how that Yeah. And also we you know I I remember like like say in the 80s when everybody's like looking okay when's he gonna come back and all how's it gonna be persecution you know of believers and people okay yo how how's it going to happen? Well, you know, we didn't see it coming. You know, like for instance, for instance, the the the the subject, the issue of for instance, sexuality has become this agender has become this this sword by which Christians have been persecuted, lost their jobs, silenced. I mean, there's all sorts of ways that, you know, we didn't see it how it was going to come. We knew it was coming, right? But, you know, so yeah, that's right. Yeah. It's it's it's interesting. So, one of the things that I asked you when we were in my office is like, you went to college. What did you go to college for? I study history. History, which I think is so fascinating because of the connection, the ability to connect history and prophecy and show all of these ancient prophecies that are thousands of years old that some of them have been fulfilled in recent decades, but some are being fulfilled today is mind-blowing. Yeah. And and and there's also templates in the Bible which are patterns which is not to say with those cases not saying that they're they're prophecy saying this one's but they're templates or patterns that are replaying now and they're replaying specifically I mean I mean with leaders with political leaders I mean you know dates times uh you know days in office for political leaders that are representative of it's how long each of them will be on the national stage. That's like the paradigm and also in the avatar but but yes yes yes it's amazing but it's because again god is amazing you know and it says that these things were done for our benefit like things that happened in the old testament are for our instruction so god is amazing because you know that even when he wrote when when you had for instance Ahab and Jezebel and j god knew what was going to be now too so you know like you know sometimes sometimes you know we open up the bible and sometimes a word just pops out and it's like wow like I mean specific I mean this is for now this answered my question. Again, we're not saying always do that, but we know God does it. And you say and you say like, well, let me give you a quick example, but this is um when I was working with disabled children, this is what we were talking about before before I went into ministry. Um and I'm I'm sitting with a there's a guy working and it and I don't know him and and he's smoking and I'm figuring we're on break and I'm thinking, okay, he's not a believer. I'm I'm kind I kind of judged him. I shouldn't and I and I open up I'm just reading my I'm you know I brought my Bible always I work with you know so I'm reading it and it said and his name was Rufus okay and it said I open I'm reading Romans it says greet Roffus greet Rufus I said okay so so I go over and I said Rufus um you know I was reading the Bible said greet Rufus so I'm greeting you and it and he says yeah you know like I'm a Christian but I've kind of been backsliding and it says greet your mother it says your mother too. It says, "Yeah, my mother's been praying for me to come back, you know, and we started witness and God wanted me to reach out to him to share." But the thing is, the reason why it happened is because Paul just happened to say, "Greet this guy named Rufus in Romans." At the end of letter, you know, you don't expect to get ministered by the end of the letter where he's just saying, "Speak to this guy or say hi." But the thing is, God knew when he had Paul write Rufus, he knew he knew that one day there'd be a Roffus in the room with me. and he knew every Rufus in the world. So that's how awesome the Bible is and how awesome even like the templates and the patterns that are replaying right now in America. So good. So good. Like I I don't think people understand the significance of templates and patterns. So the Bible is not a book about religion. It's a book about principles and promises and patterns and practices and precepts and prayers and prophecies that give us the ability to make predictions about outcomes in the future. So we can position oursel in the place of our assignment and and like so one of the principles like I teach you teach you're you're teaching people about all of these ancient jubilean mysteries but I teach people business principles based on biblical patterns and it's it's so interesting like the pattern of be do have for instance which is the very first success principle in the Bible and it's in Genesis chapter there are so many success principles in Genesis chapter one. It's like God almost winked at us and said, "If you don't get to chapter 2, you're going to be okay. Just do the stuff in chapter one." Right? And um the very first thing that God tells us about God in Genesis chapter 1 is not that he's sovereign even though he's sovereign. It's not that he's loved even though he's love. It's not that he's holy even though he's holy. The first thing that God tells about God is in the beginning, God created. Now, I was a very I'm I was a curious child and now I'm a curious man. Or maybe I'm just in a cur a curious child in a man's body. Time will tell which one I am. And when I read that in the beginning, God created heaven and the earth, that made me have a question. And the question was, well, why would he do that? He doesn't need anything. He doesn't need a heaven. He doesn't need an earth. Why would he do that? And the only answer I've been able to conclude is that because he is his creative and therefore it is his nature to create. God created as an expression of his creativity. That's the first thing it tells. The first thing God tells about us is that God made man in his image. Which means that God created us to be creative and he made us to make stuff. So God like I am be I am exercising my God likeness when I'm making something. When I'm creating something that is going to be beneficial to someone other than just me, then I am being like God. Well, the first thing that God says to man is, and God blessed them and said unto them, be fruitful, multiply, replenish the earth, and subdue it, which all three of those are do, be do, do, do, and then have dominion. Mhm. So, be fruitful, do multiply, have dominion, be, do, have. The the simple pattern is being is the input for doing. Doing is the input for having. Be a little, do a little, do a little, have a little. Be a lot, do a lot. Do a lot, have a lot. Don't be, can't do. Can't do, can't have. Like God set it up that way from the beginning. And these the that's a simple pattern, but those are patterns that repeat over and over and over and over and over and over again in scripture because God doesn't want us to miss them, I believe. And the more we get in sync with the way God set things up, the better our lives work. Period. Especially as we're doing it while we're trusting in the God who set the whole thing up in the first place. That's the beauty of what you're talking about. Like you like I'm not going to get saved on a satanic mountain, but I don't need to. That's not my assignment, right? Like you might look at somebody like Jonathan Khan. You might look at somebody like Myron Golden and think I need to have the same experiences there. No, you don't. You need to have the experiences with God that you were sent here to have. Like you need to be yielded to God in your moment so that when God shows you something in his word that you do it. Anyway, I got a little got a little got a little amplified there. I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to pump it. That's good. Um and so your latest book, which I just finished, um The Avatar, um it was so good and it you know, you know what the Avatar reminded me of? It reminded me of the story of King Saul. Um, and how God told I mean this is one of the things it reminded me of and how God told Saul told Samuel to tell Saul I want you to go wipe out the the Amalachites and Saul and I want you to kill every animal. And you you're reading the Bible and you're thinking what did the animals do? Right? Because be well. Well, but that's what we that's how we think though, right? Kill every man, woman, boy, child, boy, girl, and every animal. And so, as humans, we think, well, what did the animals do? What did the babies do? And we missed the point. And the point is that God is God. And God doesn't do the right thing because it's the right thing. It's the right thing because God did it. And the animals didn't do anything. It wasn't the point. The point the point is I'm God. Like why did God tell Abraham to kill Isaac? Because God is God. And I'm gonna back up. I'm gonna back up. So Saul doesn't do it. Saul doesn't kill the Amalachites. He kills most of them. He leaves the animals alive. He leaves the king alive. And when you think of preachers, you think of these these gentle souls who oh, God bless you. Right? But when Samuel comes and he sees that Saul has not obeyed the commandment of the Lord and then it says that um um Aag the king of the Amalachites comes to him delicately and surely the shedding of blood has passed this day. He said, "As your sword has left women childless, so your mother shall be childless this day. Your mo that that's a really specific prophecy." Like, right? I mean, not prophecy proclamation. Like he's like, in case you don't understand what I'm saying like at like just like you've done to other women, that's what I'm about to do to your mama by killing her son right now. And it says that that the prophet took the sword and he hacked AAG in pieces. And like we want to we want to make it make sense to us. We want to make all of that make sense to us. But when we do that, we are putting oursel in the place of God to God. Like we are becoming the God of God. We're becoming the judge of the judge, the king of the king. When I say, "No, but a I can't believe a loving God would blah blah blah." Yeah. That's because your imagination of God is that he's only loving. And and and so what made me think about that is having recently read the story of Jonathan and David. I mean Jonathan and David and Saul and the whole experience. Jonathan was one of the most noble, honorable humans in the entire Bible. But he died a horrific death because his father disobeyed. And the judgment that parents unwittingly bring upon their children through their disobedience can be devastating at a level that cannot be calculated. And so when I was reading the Avatar and I see so many people right now aligning themselves on the wrong side of history because they don't understand, they only understand their limited sermonbased understanding of the Bible because they haven't read the whole thing for themselves. So anyway, that's what the avatar reminded me of. Lord, help me not to miss what your word says is right and what your word says is truth so that I can have some self-righteous justification for believing what seems to be right culturally or morally from a human perspective. Let me allow Lord help me to let your word be the determiner the ultimate determiner of right and wrong in my life. Mhm. So anyway, so let's talk about The Avatar. The Avatar, it is The Return of the Ancients: The Future of America. It's a mind-blowing book, which I'm sure you some of your naysayers, cuz I'm sure if you if you're if you're doing some if you don't have any naysayers, you haven't done anything yet. Okay. Right. True. Right. So, I'm sure some of your naysayers would would say that some of the things that you wrote about in this book are so far-fetched, they just have to be a figment of your imagination. Would you I mean, would you say that that's some of the things that naysayers would say or you're not sure because you don't really talk to naysayers that much? I have a choice. I go with the I go with the last part. Um I don't worry about the naysayers. Yeah, I haven't heard I mean naysayers will say anything. I mean you know you know that's why you call them naysayers because they say nay nay. Okay. Yeah. But but actually but it's in in some ways the Avatar is following from the mystery of the return of the gods kind of where it is now but but now entering the realm of the of our of political realm government recent events could these things that we that we talked about just before these the these forces the Bible calls gods or these spirits could they actually be manifesting before our eyes you know and I and I started you know talking about farfetched I started um with my own experiences which I've never really shared before in the nations you know I'll just give an example but for the biblical thing I was in um I was in India and and and I'm shar and and India is a is a land of you know you know many gods 30 million gods you know and and so according to according biblically there's got to be there's got to be spirits all all around there you know and and at one point and we're going there to spread the gospel they actually called me they actually asked me to go go to India to walk in the footsteps of the apostle Thomas because the believers of India traced themselves. They believed Thomas brought them the gospel. So they had me walking like a as a Jewish believer, you know, where Thomas walked and there were thousands of people and but it was at a time when the government had just been taken over by a radical uh Hindu party that was killing Christians, you know. So it was I never saw so much war. I never saw the power of God and the power of the enemy at war like I did on that on that trip. I mean, if if it was not for God, I would not be alive today from that show. I've been to Dangerous Place, but that was that was there's so much to it. But at one point, um um where they they at the beginning, they send us to the Taj Mahal, okay? And we go there. We're heading back, they said, you know, and it and the fog comes, you know, on everything. And so, I mean, thick fog. They said, "Don't drive back, you know, that at night cuz the fog, well, we did." And the driver is racing through the fog, okay? And racing. And we're like praying, you know, we're praying in there. He's racing Indian guy and and and we keep seeing like the fog clears and we see a turned over car and then we see a turned over truck, a turned over cart, a turn never see on and on until finally we crash into a truck in front of us and we're being dragged. The the T and we're going back and forth almost turned over the car was was was you know greatly damaged but we were we were alive. And the thing is when I got back I'm looking I'm reading about this god called Krishna and it says he's the trickster god and the thing god this and again remember behind this these are spirits and the thing is that it says that what he did is he would do tricks and what he would do is he would turn over vehicles and where he was located was that that very road where we were on and the thing is that and we were almost killed. Okay. Now the thing is that you know myth is myth and and you know that's all but but what the Bible is saying is behind these gods are actually spirits and so it's real. These spirits are ancient. You're ancient. That's right. Ancient. Yeah. And and at the end of you know when I in India we're we're standing before like 70,000 people and I'm I'm going to share the gospel with them. It's at night and they're outdoors. They're in robes and I I said let me let me sound the chauffear. So I I sound the chauffear and I don't know what happened. Something comes back and we're all like what what was that? It was like if you can imagine the sounds of an exorcism mass produced like it was like it was like there was an exorcism throughout the entire place. It's as if it was like people screaming blood. They they had never heard a chauffear before, but they were screaming as if they were spirits departing. And and when I when I got home, I'm reading I'm reading the encyclopedia of Judea, which says that, you know, it's Jewish Jewish tradition that the chauffear when the chauffear sounded, the enemy flees and spirits flee. And actually, they used they used it during exorcism. They actually used the chauffear. But the people in India are not reading the the encyclopedia of Judeica, right? and and and in the Bible it says when you're in war and it's not about the chuffar it's about the power of God but the chauffar is a vessel but it says that when you're at war sound the chauffear and and the god will hear and the enemy will be defeated you'll help prevail well so all that happened so it's making me think this is long before the return of the god it's like this realm that we're dealing with and I'll I'll share one more thing to that okay but this is a totally different land I'm invited to go to Cuba Fidel Castro decided to open up the island for one month to give religious freedom to show the world really wasn't but he says I'll do it you know and so so they invited me to come and open it up you know and minister so by the sounding the chauffear so I sound the chauffear and I'm preaching I'm I'm it's one month and I'm going across Cuba and I'm ministering and the about freedom and the power of jubilee and you know all this and um we're almost arrested because of what we were preaching you know freedom but the thing is that at one place I'm in a city and a guy comes off the road and he says he says I'm a believer he says And the believers were praying on the mountains and the God said, "There's a curse on Cuba." He says, "But there has to be something Jewish, a Jewish man or Jewish people come in the breaking of the curse." I'm like, "Okay." And he says, "There's a mountain up there. There's a mountain over the city." He says, "That mountain is a cursed mountain. They worship the gods. They worship idols. Um, and they have blood sacrifices. But God told us that that cur the curse is going to turn into a blessing and come down the mountain." I said, "Okay, all right." Said, "Lord, I guess you have me coming up a mountain again. you know, this is new ministry going up cursed mountains, you know, but then again, it started in the beginning, which I didn't know, at the mountain, I got saved. Um, so, so I said, "Okay, we're going up." We go up the mountain. On top of the mountain is this pavilion where they have the gods and the idols. And in in front of the pavilion is a man, and he calls out to me. He says, "Hola, hon." And I I now I didn't know I don't know Spanish, but it sounded like he said, "Hello, hello, Jonathan." And I tell my I said, "This guy seems to know me, but I don't know him." He walks over and he says, "I've been waiting for you." I said, "Okay." And he has a in his hand, he has a ceramic plate, and the ceramic plate has a is an painting of me blowing the chauffear. The guy says, "No, I'm I'm a believer, but God told me to go up this mountain, and he told me to paint this painting, go up the mountain, and then he told me to put it inside the pavilion of the gods, you know." So, I did. That night, the strap, the leather strap, new breaks apart, and the plate comes down and strikes the head of the chief god of Cuba, the idol. In the morning, the worshippers open up the pavilion and they find their chief god on the floor. It sounds sounds like the Bible, right? Yeah. On the floor. And her crown, her name, her name was Oshun. And her crown was removed literally. And next to it is this plate with this Jewish guy with a horn, you know, and and and the and the chauffear struck the image of the chauffar struck the head just where the sound comes out of the chauffear. And so and so when they open it up and you know people read about Deaegon they put the ark there and people oh that's that's the Bible that's that's a legend. No, no, no. God is real. We saw it and the thing is that the word they they took it as a sign from the heavens the worshippers the gods and the word came down the mountain and people in the in the city came started coming to the churches bringing their idols saying smash our idols we heard what happened on the mountaintop and revival broke out. Wow. And and so so this is and this whole thing this is real. I mean, it's real and they and and I and I go through other when it's Africa, same thing. Same thing. Nigeria, um, Brazil, but these are real and the gods are real and they come in disguise. And the and the most dangerous thing is when you're dealing with these spirits when you don't even know you're dealing with it like in America or or the West. That's the most dangerous thing. And if you remember, I don't know if you remember I don't know if you watch the Olympics, you know, but I I I heard about it, but I didn't watch the Olympics. Okay. You heard it? Yeah. So So I don't know if you saw how many people saw that. The At the beginning of this, it was the opening ceremony. Now, the Olympics are pagan anyway. Not not that the people are pagan, not that the athletes are, but it comes from paganism. It's it's actually it's actually a religious gathering to Zeus actually with. So, so at the beginning of it, they have this this blasphemous thing where you see the Last Supper, and they try to deny it, but it was the last supper. But instead of the Last Supper, instead of Jesus, they had a a same-sex woman as Jesus, and they had drag and all this stuff. Um, and then you know how in the last supper, the elements are are our Lord. You know, it's his body, but instead of it, they have a plate of food, like a covered plate, they open up and and instead of anything related to Jesus, it's a pagan god, the god Dionis. And this is a this is one of the gods that was driven out by the gospel, by Jesus. So, so the beginning of the age, you had Jesus, the power of the gospel driving out these gods. Now, and when you read the book of Acts, you see it all over the place. Yes. Yeah. And at the Olympics, pagan, you have you have the opposite. They're replacing Jesus with the pagan god, which is what our culture is doing. But it was like manifest. And the thing is that and you know, and and at the beginning of the age, you know, they the the pagan world attacked the communion more than anything. And so it was like the gods attacking like these spirits attack saying you know so and the other thing is that you know it's replacing Jesus for Dionis now Dionis is the god of of of um of immorality of of possession would possess drive his people crazy um and you know with drunkenness and sexual immorality well that's what this was replacing you know but the thing is there was one person who actually did this replacement that we saw in the Olympics years ago And it was a man named Frederick Nichi. And Frederick Nichi was a German philosopher in the 19th century. And he wrote, "We got to get rid of Jesus. Gotta get rid of Jesus. Got to get it out." And he kept up lifting up Dionis. Okay. At the end of his his writing career, you know, Dianisis actually drove his followers crazy. Nichi goes crazy and he starts signing his letters as Dianisis as if he was taken over. M and the thing is the one his writings went on though and the one who read his writings was Adolf Hitler and the Nazis and they took him as their philosopher and this is what the one who took out Jesus the gods came in and that's what happened with Nazi Germany and so again now we're seeing it on the scale of America or the West the Olympics but that's how dangerous this is you know and so that's kind of setting the stage for the Avatar you know Yeah, I think that one of the most important messages all of us need to hear is that we need to trust God. Like your your books don't say, "Hey, trust God. He He knows everything." But they do. And it's kind of like what you said when you talked about your testimony. Well, you know, I I would get saved, but you know, and then I got to give up all the stuff I want to do. And you had no idea that the best of your life was going to happen after you received Christ. There are people who are right now who've already received Christ, who are living a life of resistance to his will. And they don't understand that the best part of your life is going to be once you yield to him. Right? And from that day forward, the best begins. And we think that we have somehow have a better idea and somehow have a better plan and somehow man if it could just work out the way that I have imagined it in my mind we think it would be great. Like there's no universe in any galaxy that has ever existed where I could have imagined my life turning into what it is right now as a direct result of yielding to the word of God early and often. And I don't think that any of us, any of you, any of you watching on YouTube, any of you in this room can even begin to fathom like the magnitude of the impact that God can have in your life and then use your life to have if you'll yield to him. So clearly that's what you're doing. Clearly, I mean, it's so apparent. Yes. How would you speak to that for people who are watching us and listening to us right now? Like if you as you think about all of the messages from the book of mysteries down to like the Harbinger um illustrated novel like how what would you say to us to help us realize help us see more clearly that yielding to God is what the whole thing is about? Yeah. I don't know if that makes sense. Yeah. Um, yeah, one of the things that you'll see in all the books again is that God is real. You know, it doesn't matter if you're an atheist, it doesn't matter. God is real, right? You know, you can look it up, but you can look these things up. God is real, by the way. And, you know, when I first when I first wrote the Harbinger, and I had to have a you have a literary lawyer to work out the details and and it was an Orthodox Jewish woman and she said she saw the manuscript. She said, "I didn't believe any of this, you I couldn't believe I went online and says it was all true, you know. So, she looked up all the data. She looked up every She looked up everything. It's all true. God is true. Whether you like it or not, whether you believe it or not, God is real. The same God of the Bible is alive and well. And when he gives his word back then, he means it now as well. He his word is as good. The fact that Israel exists today is a miracle. And it's showing you that his promise is good because if he kept Israel, he will keep his word to you if he kept it to there. So the thing is that therefore therefore the the knowing that and that's when I came basically in my life I I came to that point I wasn't I wasn't wanting that answer you know the answer was there but it's true but only when I yield and again you're talking you're looking at somebody who only yielded because of a locomotive train okay most of you you you're not that stubborn okay I I was okay I was but but then what happened was that everything that I was born to be came to pass. I mean, I could not have imagined. I mean, I knew God had something, but I could not have imagined what God did and what God would do. And I know that what God would do, it's not like it's not something else. It's what I'm made for. It's what I'm born for. And that's what God has for each of us. When he says when he says, "I know the plans I have for you, says the Lord." Now, he spoke to Israel, but this applies to all of us. The word in Hebrew for plans is not just plan, okay? It's the word mahashabah. Okay? It's a cool word. Mahashaba means literally, it's not high, but intricately woven, detailed plan. In other words, God has a plan. It says the good works that we might enter into them. They're already there. You know, God has an intricate plan for your life. And that plan is the is the highest. Anything less is less, you know. So, as much as you yield to God and say yes to God, that's as much as you're going to see of that plan. and and and and the fulfillment of what God put you on earth for. So, don't you want that? I mean, that's what I want. You know, you know, we make mistakes and we're crazy and all all we like sheep, we go all over the place, but that's where we want to go with our whole heart. That's why he says, "Love the Lord your God with your whole heart, soul, mind, strength because that's not only what we need to do, but it's also the only way we can fulfill our calling to the utmost." God only gives his best. When you think of Jesus on the cross, that's God. What's he giving? He's giving his life. you know, he can't give any more than he gave. He's giving his best. And so when we give our best to him and say yes, Lord, in everything just help me. But I say yes, that's when you're going to have his best. That's what it's about. And one thing to the the sister who asked also about fulfilling the calling. I just thought about it a afterwards. So I believe the Lord wants me to share it. That is that when I went up that mountain, I had never been to that mountain before where I got saved. I didn't know how to get up there. You know, I there were roads, but every road came to an end and they had to go right or left. I never knew I didn't know where to go. So, I just said, I'll whatever whatever ground looks higher, I'm going to go on that ground. And I that's all I did. And by doing that, I didn't make one wrong turn. I went exactly made every right turn and got to the peak. That's what it is in following God. Every day, we have a chance to go up higher. You know, we can go lower. We can go, we can try to stay where we are, we go higher. When you we resist that sin, you go higher. When you forgive that person, higher when you spend time with God, higher every time, every day, you have a chance. And the thing is, let's say, you know, one person's on one side of the mountain, one's on the other side of the mountain, they don't know which road to get up. They don't know, have any idea. You don't have to know the exact road. Here's the thing. If you just keep going higher every day, you're going to get to the mountaintop and and you're that you're gonna get to the exact specific specific appointed will of God and destiny that he has for your life by simply going up. Even if you're on the other side of the mountain you're on, it doesn't matter which side of the mountain you are. It's going to lead you up there. That's the challenge. The greatest thing we can do is give it give give him our greatest Lord all I'm I'm gonna go for. Not that we're perfect. We have our moments. We know that. But Lord, I'm going higher. I'm going higher. I'm going to keep going. And you do that, you're going to get to the mountaintop. You will get to your appointed destiny for which you were put in your mother's womb for such a time as this. Wow. Amen goes right there. Um, wow. I am I'm I'm a little What's the word? um overwhelmed with the goodness of God. Amen. Um yeah, like I can testify by my own experience of life that everything he just said is truth. Yeah. It's how God operates. It's how he's always operated. God, it's interesting that and maybe this is not true. So I'm going to ask you because you're, you know, a rabbi. Um I got to start there, right? Um so I heard it I heard somebody say that um according to rabbitical teachings that there is no if there is no Hebrew word biblical Hebrew word for a concept that concept is not a real concept like for instance coincidence there's no biblical Hebrew word for coincidence because there's no such thing as a coincidence is coincidence is that I would I would say I don't think we can be dogmatic about it meaning that because there's not however the fact that the Bible never talks about coincidence u I mean really of anything of God um I'd say that that means something you know that means something yeah okay and and the fact that like even if you had a coincidence like as many historical slashprphetic patterns as are outlined in the Harbinger, Harbinger 2, the paradigm, the book of mysteries, the like the dragon's prophecy, etc., etc., the Avatar. Statistically, you'd have to get struck by lightning seven times a day and live for the next 17 years in order for all of those things to coincidentally. And I just made up those numbers, but it's it's it's literally that unlikely. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. The the and see the concept of coincidence kind of means that things just happened together, but there's no just happened because God is there. God's behind everything. There is a reason. Um but yeah, you know, with the thing that started the dragons prophecy, it was was I was sharing on a Friday night about a mystery that when you take it to its what it's saying is that there would be an attack on Israel. It would happen in 2023. would happen on a on a on a Sabbath day would happen on a Hebrew holy day would take it by surprise all the the whole thing and it happened the next day you know because of what's in the Bible because of the principle that's in the Bible and and that's the thing listen I'm the first one to get blown away you know if I'm writing I'm the first one like oh Lord like it like on one hand it doesn't surprise me because he's God and he showed me but it still blows me away you know it's like Lord wow again and you know even Donald Trump is part of the mystery you know, you know that even, you know, days and things that nobody's planning to do and nobody's trying to do it exact days, exact hours. A lot of times when people hear you say stuff like that, they think you're promoting Donald Trump or Joe Biden or Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton or whoever, but no, you're just talking about what's in there. Yeah. You're just talking about what has already happened in history. Yeah. It's not I mean, yeah, people get people get crazy and and the left the left has gotten crazy. I mean, you know, things like National Public Radio and many other others have come like I'm trying I'm not trying to do anything. I'm I'm just I'm just seeking to I'm opening up what God showed me. Um and how it let let the chips fall where they may. It's not and it's not about man. It's about God. It's God's purposes. You know, God is sovereign and and talking about that is we don't put our trust in any person. We can support but we don't we our our hope is in is in the Lord Jesus Yeshua. There's no one else. Now he will use whom he will use and he'll he'll use donkeys and he'll use he he'll use us. He'll use, you know, he'll use anyone. He'll use any ones and you know, but but God is on the throne, you know, you know, that's it. So, yeah, God is amazing. I mean, that that's God is amazing, right? And I think that's the theme of the day that God is amazing. He is awesome. He is to be austerely revered because he's that Yes. everything. He's that allness. Yeah. And um it I I find it fascinating because one of the one like what you were just talking about like I'm not trying to promote this person, that person or other. No, it's about Jesus. Yeah. It is virtually impossible to learn truth if you have an agenda regardless of the agenda. Because what you're going to do is you're going to have cognitive bias and you're going to attempt to make what you are seeing fit your belief. But I think one of the things that God has a desire for all of his people to do is to get our doctrine from the scripture, not bring our doctrine to the scripture to confirm it. Yes. Yeah. And that is within Christianity as well because we have we get a lot of it's 100% within Christian sometimes people get conclusions from certain things and then they apply it. They you know for I'll give you a quick thing on that. um you know people you know we know that the that Jesus is the final sacrifice I mean it's the fulfillment yet in we know the temple is going to be rebuilt and in Ezekiel it talks about a future temple and there are sacrifices so that doesn't fit the real theology you know doesn't fit most people's theology it doesn't matter if it fits it or not you know the fact is if it's there God you know it could be commemoration who knows but God is God is first you got to let let the ships fall where the may let God be God you know and that's not always gonna That means he's above our doctrines too. You know, our doctrine is not God and our understanding is not God. God is God. You know, and there in there are people who say that because we're saved by faith. Of course, we are and we're not not by works. But then they'll treat us as if works have nothing to do with it. Well, no works works do. If you read the Bible, it's got a lot to do, but it's all going to be from God, you know. It's it's salvation works, you know. So, there's a lot of things we get very dogmatic and we get have our mind, you know, we got to let God be God, you know? Right. The works didn't save me, but I work because I'm saved. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. [Applause] So, so, so I I I think that is um I think that it's so imperative like our blind spot is often times our agenda. Our blind spot is the doctrine that to us is higher than God's truth. And I'm looking to confirm that the thing I believe I think I think one of the greatest principles in learning the Bible is to realize that you don't know it. Yeah. If if Paul Paul the apostle who could write so more books of the Bible than anybody in history wrote it. If he could say that I might know him Jesus. If Paul can say that I might know him, we certainly can. And the thing is that you stop when you think you know, you stop knowing, right? You know exactly the best thing is to come. You know, you probably the greatest changes in your life probably happened soon after you came to the Lord where God started changing everything in your life. But that's when you came like Lord, I don't know, you know, and I just want to know more. Well, we still, you know, here it is maybe years later in your walk years later in my walk. Still, how much do I know of God? Do I know half of it? No. Do I know a fourth of it? No. Do I know a tenth? I don't know a tenth of God. I don't know. I don't know an inch of God compared I mean a percentage compared to that's how much it is. So the thing is that's why you know why do we have eternity? Because that's how long it takes to know God. So good. So good. Yeah. And God's word is eternal. become living expressions of God's word by filling your life with God's word. It's see here's the beautiful thing about it. When you receive Christ and you yield to the spirit of God and his work in your life through the word of God, I'm not doing the work. You're not doing the work. He's doing the work through us. For it is God that workketh in you, both to will, that's the desire, and to do, that's the dynamic of his good pleasure. God is doing the work in me and through me. My job is to yield. So, if you were going to share um from all of the books that you've written, what are your favorite principles that you shared? What would they be? I thought you were going to say, what was your favorite book? What? What is your favorite? No, no, no. That's like asking That's like asking which one of your children's favorite asking a parent what their favorite child is. Doesn't can't answer that. Okay. I I will say the avatar may be the most explosive. I will say that you know I there's just because of where we are in the world explosives. Yeah. Um but um but I mean one is listen it's going to sound it's going to you know some sometimes the most profound things are the simplest things you know 100% God is God. God is God. You know, God is real. I'm the principle. God is God. He is over all things. He is alive and well. The same God who split the Red Sea. The same God who made the the walls of Jericho fall. The same God who is over America, over the world, over the nations, and over our lives. And he's awesome. There's no end to him. There's no end to his mysteries. That's why. And we can write because there's no end. I mean, I'm expecting the Lord, I'm going to run out. We're going to run out because how could there be more? There's always more. There's always more of God. He's awesome. The Lord is all. There's a word in Hebrew, norah. The Lord, sometimes they translate it as fear, like fearful. Well, it's it's the Lord is awesome. He's he he makes us in awe. If we really know him, he's in awe. Like, you know, you know, like like being in the presence of God. He's uh God is is amazing and he'll never stop being amazing. Um, and we need to we need knowing that God is real. We need to live our lives in a manner worthy of that. Knowing that he's real to actually live our lives as if this is real because it is real as if this word if this word every word is real. Every word from God then how should I live my life? How how can I stop? How can I keep going the other way when I know how real God is? You know, and he's the only hope and he's the only hope America has. You know, the America's hope is not in the political realm. Even though God can use the political realm, absolutely, but that's not going to save America. That's not going to save any. It's only revival and it's only God, you know. And I've literally, by by the way, I've also literally we're talking about, you know, it's it's funny when I look at back at this conversation, which I which I love. Um, I love your spirit and I love I love what's what's here, but but it's it's not only, you know, the mysteries of God and the re the revelation of God, but what you're asking me a lot of the questions were about like my life and seeing God and how we how do we see God in our life, you know, which is which is just as much part of it. And I've seen, you know, it's not just writing. I've seen literally God change the course of America more than once by by his word by by like miraculously. I mean, I mean, literally, can we affect the can we affect our world? Yes, we can. You know, by God's by God's God's power, but but literally this, it's not just knowing the revelation, it's seeing it in our lives. So good. So good. So, what you were talking just now, it reminded me of something. And I've got this got this question because like you were talking about some things that happened in scripture that God did. And I was thinking to myself, you know what's really sad? When you start talking about things that happened in the Old Testament with Josiah and going up and tearing down the so many people have never read that. So many believers, so many churchgoing, church attending, amen saying, choir singing Christians have never read the Old Testament as it's called. Like I think there's a level of devastation. I think part of the reason modern day Christianity is so weak is because it doesn't understand the nature of God as presented in the entire canon of scripture. I clearly clearly there's a level of spiritual warfare that doesn't want people reading Genesis through Micah, right? There's a there's something in there that there's something going on spiritually that doesn't want people to read that because you have people that have been saved for decades who have not even thought about reading first, second, first, second Kings, 1 second Chronicles, Leviticus, Numbers, Ezek Ezekiel, like what what is it from your perspective? Is there some what is it rep what does that represent? And is there some kind of correlation or some kind of charge that you would give people because like like I see that people are not familiar with what the things that God has done. So they don't even have the ability to recognize what God is doing. Yeah. On one hand the spiritual warfare is real. Um I will just say this you know won't go through the detail but almost every time a book comes out that I write a book on the day of the release everything goes I can't tell you crazy. I've only been in the hospital in my life overnight only twice the days of the release of the book and had nothing. One was a mysterious infection that paralyzed me on the release day. Another my another book the appendix burst you know I can write down by the when I'm in the hospital by the books you know but you know so so you know the the the warfare is real. Oh 100%. And and that will he'll do everything he can to keep us from the word. Um but the other thing is that that you know I think that we get on one hand we get used to you know we're humans we get used to something that we know like okay I have the Bible you know but now now there's the internet now this is going we have to get fed by here's the newest thing here's the novel thing and we don't realize the life is in that you know here it we're dealing with something we're talking about thousands of years old but truth is got to be ancient unchanging but it's got to be new too it's it's it's always always there it's always new same time you know his word is more new than the than the than the headlines of today it's more new than that you know and it'll be more new tomorrow you know so so but I think we we get used to something that we know and okay you know and you forget and you know it's like when you first come to the lord it's everything is new but you got to keep that just like in a marriage you know you got to keep it new you got to because it is new you know his word his mercy is new his word is new everything is new uh but we got to we got to we got to realize also the treasure we have when I people say look how do you get this stuff how do you get this revelation you know god's grace but But I when I open the Bible, I expect there to be a treasure. You know, when I open the Bible, I expect there to be revelation that I have no idea of yet. You know, I expect that and God always answers it. God never fails. So, we got to know the treasure we have. And just taking one word, I mean, if you took one word on in one day of the word of God and actually live it, get give total faith in God with that word and live it, it'll change your life. That's how powerful the word is. We don't realize the treasure we have, you know, or we gotten used to it and we forgot it. What you get used to, you lose, you know, you don't see it anymore. We have a treasure. Amen. Amen. Amen. Well, I don't I don't um one more time. Um I don't have any more questions, but I want to say this. When this book, like wherever books are sold, by the time you're watching this, this book is out. I would recommend this book. It was absolutely mind-blowing. It was absolutely relevant. It was historical. It was prophetic and it was like cutting edge. Um, get this book and by all means also read my favorite, the Oracle. Like I I know this is not about the oracle, but it's okay, but like that book on a level. They're all on another level, though. But that's how God operates. So, I appreciate y'all watching on YouTube. I appreciate y'all showing up. And Rabbi Jonathan Khan, thank you so much. The pleasure has been mine. Wow. Wow. Thank you.