well you spoke several times before about ideological subversion that is a phrase that uh I'm afraid some Americans don't fully understand when uh the Soviets use the phrase ideological subversion what do they mean by it ideological subversion is is the process which is legitimate over and open you you can see it with your own eyes all all you have to do all American mass media has to do is to unplug their bananas from their ears open up their eyes and they can see it there is no mystery there's nothing to do with Espionage I know that Espionage intelligence gathering looks more romantic it sells more deodorant through the advertising probably that's why your Hollywood producers are so crazy about James Bond type of Thrillers but in reality the main emphasis of the KGB is not in the area of intelligence at all according to my opinion and opinion of many different factors of my caliber only about 15% of time money and Manpower is spent on Espionage as such the other 85% is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion or active measures AC in the language of of the KGB or psychological warfare what it basically means is to change the perception of reality of every American to such an extent that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of Defending themselves their families their community and their country it's a great brainwashing uh process which goes very slow and it's divided in in four basic stages uh the first one being demoralization it takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation why that many years because this is the minimum number of years which requires to educate one generation of students in the country of of of your enemy exposed to the ideology of the enemy in other words Marxism leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of of at least three generations of American students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of americanism American patriotism the result the result you can see most of the people who graduated in 60s dropouts or Half Baked intellectuals are now occupying the positions of power in the government civil service business mass media educational system you are stuck with them you cannot get rid of them they are contaminated they are programmed to think and react to certain stimuli in a certain pattern you cannot change their mind even if you if you expose them to authentic information even if you prove that white is white and black is black you still cannot change the basic perception and the logic of behavior and other words these people uh uh the process of demoralization is complete and irreversible to get rid Society of these people you have you need another 20 or or or 15 years to educate a new generation of patriotically minded and and and uh common common sense people who would be acting in favor and in the interests of of the of United States society and yet these people whove been programmed and as you say in place and who are favorable to an opening with the Soviet concept these are the very people who would be marked for extermination in this country most of them yes uh simply because the psychological shock when when they will see in future what the what the beautiful Society of equality and social justice means in practice obviously they will Revolt they they will they will be very unhappy frustrated people and the Marxist leninist regime does not tolerate these people uh they obviously they will join the links of denters dissidents uh unlike in present United States there will be no place for descent in in future Marxist leninist America uh here you can you can get uh popular like Daniel ellberg and Filthy Rich like Jane Fonda for being dissident for criticizing your Pentagon in Future these people will be simply squashed like cockroaches nobody's going to pay them nothing for their beautiful Noble ideas of equality this they don't understand and uh it will be greatest shock for them of course the demoralization process in the United States is basically completed already uh for the last 25 years actually it's over fulfilled because demoralization now reaches such areas where previously not even comrad andropov and and all his experts would would even dream of such a tremendous success most of it is done by Americans to Americans thanks to lack of moral standards as I mentioned before uh exposure to True information does not matter anymore a person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information the facts tell nothing to him uh even if I shower him with information with with authentic proof with documents with pictures even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him concentration camp he will refuse to believe it until he he's going to receive a kick in the in his fat bottom when a military boot crashes his then he will understand but not before that that's the tragic of the situation of demoralization so basically America is stuck with with demoralization and unless even if if you start right now here this minute you start educating new generation of American it will still take you 15 to 20 years to turn the tide of uh of ideological perception of reality uh back to normal normaly and and patriotism the next stage is destabilization this time subverter does not care about your ideas and the patterns of your consumption whether you eat junk food and get fat and flab it doesn't matter anymore this time and it takes only from two to five years to destabilize a nation uh it's what what matters is Essentials economy Foreign Relations defense systems uh and you can see it quite clearly that in some areas uh in such sensitive areas as as uh defense and economy the influence of marxist leninist ideas in the United States is absolutely fantastic I I could never believe it 14 years ago when I landed uh in this part of the world that the process will go that fast uh the next stage of course is Crisis it it it may take only up to six weeks to to bring a country to the verge of Crisis you can see it in in Central America now and after crisis with a violent change of of power structure and economy you have so-called the period of normalization it may last indefinitely normalization is a cynical expression borrowed from Soviet propaganda when the Soviet tanks moved into Czechoslovakia in ' 68 com BR said now the situation in brotherly Czechoslovakia is normalized this is what will happen in United States if you allow all the Schmucks to bring the country to crisis to promise people all kind of goodies and the paradise on Earth uh to to destabilize your economy to eliminate the principle of free market Market competition and to put a big brother government in Washington DC with the benevolent dictators Like Walter Mondale who will promise lots of things never mind whether the promises are fulfilled or not he will go to Moscow to kiss the bottoms of of new generation of Soviet assassins never mind he will create false illusions that the situation is under control situation is not under control situation is disgustingly out out of control most of the American politicians media and educational system trains another generation of people who think they are living at a peace time false United States is in the state of War UND declared total war against the basic principles and the foundations of of this system and and the initiator of this war is not comrad andropov of course uh it's it's it's the system however ridiculous it may sound the world communist system or the world communist conspiracy whether I scar some people are not I don't give a hoood uh if if you are not scared by now nothing can scare you but you don't have to be paranoid about it what what actually happens now that unlike myself you have literally several years to live on unless the United States wake up the the Time Bomb is ticking with every second the disaster is coming closer and closer unlike myself you will have nowhere to defect to unless you want to live in Antarctica with penguins this is it this is the last country of freedom and and possibility okay so what do we do what is your recommendation to the American people well uh the the um the immediate thing that comes to my mind is of course there must be a very strong National effort to educate people in in in the spirit of real patriotism number one number two to to explain them the real danger of Socialist Communist whatever welfare state Big Brother government if people will fail to grasp the impending danger of that development nothing ever can help United States you make his goodbye to your freedom including freedoms to to homosexuals to prison inmate all this Freedom will vanish evaporating in 5 seconds including your precious lives um the second thing I the moment at least part of United States population is convinced that the danger is real they have to force their government and I'm not talking about sending letters signing petitions and all this beautiful Noble activity I'm talking about forcing United States government to stop aiding communism because there is no no other problem more burning and and urgent than to stop the Soviet military industrial complex from destroying what is whatever is left of the Free World and it is very easy to do no credits no technology no money no political or diplomatic recognition and of course no such ID as grain deals to USSR the Soviet people 270 millions of of Soviets will be eternally thankful to you if you stop aiding a bunch of murderers who sit now in Kremlin and whom president dragan respectfully calls government they do not govern anything list of all such complexity as the Soviet economy so basic two two very simple maybe two simplistic answers or Solutions but never nevertheless they are the only solutions educate yourself understand what's going on around you you are not living at the time of Peace you are in a state of war and you have precious little time to save yourself um you don't have much time especially if you're talking about Young Generation there's not much time left for convulsions to the beautiful uh disco music very soon it will go just just overnight if we are talking about capitalists or or or wealthy businessmen they I think they are selling the Rope on which they will hang very soon if they don't stop if they cannot curb the unsettle desire for profit and if they keep on trading with the monster of the Soviet communism they are going to hang very soon and it they will pray to be killed but unfortunately they will be sent to Alaska probably to manage industry of slaves it's it's simplistic I know it sounds unpleasant I know Americans don't like to listen to things which are unpleasant but I have defected not to tell you the stories about such idy is as microfilm James Bond type Espionage this is garbage uh you don't need any Espionage anymore I have come to talk about survival it's a question of survival of this system you may ask me what is it in for me survival obviously because unlike I as I said I am now in your boat if if we sing together we will sing beautifully together there is no other place on this planet to defect [Music] to