you've got to come to terms with actually you know what I might have ADHD I might my biggest fear was it was going to take away my personality football may have saved you actually because it gave you that structure it gave you that purpose I didn't put the diagnosis out there for anybody to to like it any comments any of that I put it out there because I felt like there's a Stig stigma behind it I took him to Anvil for the first time last year and when we sat there and he said Dad when you come here where did you sit and I was I think [ __ ] man I was down there who do you think brought you out of yourself the most or understood you the most maybe as a manager or a coach why and he said to me don't worry about whoever we sign you're going to start for me in the Premier League had a V after the Watford game Life yeah I put that down to emotion so it was a great great moment hello I'm Kelly Kates and this is not just football part of the overlap Network brought to you by Sky Bet as always Christine Lampard and Haley McQueen are here and today we're joined by former Southampton and QPR Striker amongst other teams Charlie Austin Charlie what I always find really interesting in people's stories is those moments where things almost didn't quite happen and and you went into professional football quite late on yeah didn't you and there there were all those opportunities beforehand where maybe it was Bournemouth and they had a a transfer ban or you know you were let go because you were too small which is ironic given that you what 6'2 now but but all those kind of moments that lead up to a professional football career yeah I think about thinking back to it it's like some things I way I see it now is things are meant to happen and even I go as far back as my parents moved to Bournemouth when I was 18 and I've lived where I was for 18 years all my friends was there and I decided to move with them I think back I actually no for a fact if I didn't move I'd have never made it as a footballer because I was just from that place it doesn't happen to from people where I'm from you know and I moved down there and the opportunity arose and I thought oh here we go again transfer ban yeah football I'm just going to be a builder for the for the rest of me life and cuz that's what you were doing at the time wasn't it yeah dad's got a a building firm and then I just worked for him and that I was every every boys and girls dream isn't it to to become a professional footballer professional athlete and it was in Touching distance but for me it just wasn't it felt like it was never going to happen so how did it happen I played for PA town and and I went in with Eddie at bourma for 6 weeks again like if I didn't work for me dad I I was never going to be able to get six weeks off work to go and train professionally Etc he told me it wasn't like we can't sign you we want you to continue to play and then I got a phone call from Swindon Danny Wilson saying we want you to come on trial and took that with both hands and the way I see everything that I've gone through is that I've got everything to gain and nothing to lose and I think that's the way I took it all the way throughout my career everything was a challenge but I had nothing to lose and everything to gain always has looked as if I don't make it a swinder the worst case scenario is I'll continue to be a builder and play non League yeah Swindon well if I don't do that I'll just go back Burnley and that was the way I just looked at in the football career I think that it's not it's not held in bad dead for me and everything went went well for me so far yeah Mo most people come through the Journey of an academy don't they and they've got that smooth transition and you're prepped and you're prepared and you're you make that transition through to the first te or you go elsewhere or you join out with other kids who've come through an academy did it feel very different for you when you were there knowing that the others had yeah I was rough and ready if that makes sense I was Rough and Ready I was grit Charlie determination but I think it was I played men's football from when I was 15 so he had when people you see Lads that was in there played been under 18 you football and then played in the under 23 I was there playing men's football and I was ready to go but you could see how they was different to me and they'd been taught differently and I wouldn't change it I know if we sat here now with people that come through theems and and made it they' be saying I was brilliant the best we've done like stayed in certain places but I wouldn't changed it for the world for for what I was able to go on to achieve did it make your approach different though because you felt you did feel different yeah it did and that I think that's why see I was like I've got nothing to lose I'm going didn't have all guns B everything's a game so I want to do this what I've always wanted to do as such a little boy and now I'm going to go and grab it with both hands and that was it did I stand out like a s fam at first yeah probably but then soon as I got the opportunity I was I was ready to to grab it and and take off but also there is that element of unpredictability for the players who are facing you that you when you when you come through the way that that you did you're not doing the expected that certainly happened so I I was at swind with Billy painter at first and he had a good football league career and everyone used to just watch him and I was kind of left alone I realized that as I got older people used to Mark me and leave the other but I was left alone and every time I got the ball I just went on a hot streak and just scored for consecutive games and it helped it wasn't until like a year later where that changed but I think that helped me the unpredictability whereas I always put it back to I had no fear is I had everything to gain and and ultimately I had nothing to lose guys that was the biggest thing I had nothing to lose yeah and there were so many brilliant moments as well you know it's not just about going out and playing football regularly as as a career you had those real high spots at playoff final scoring against man united as a Liverpool fan on your debut that's the thing I got my youngest son I is day and I just I'm go back to going through things I tell him like I played there and done this and I I took him to Anvil for the first time last year and when we were sat there and he said Dad when you come here where did you sit and I was didn't [ __ ] so then moments you know like are amazing and I look back and sometimes have to you have to pinch yourself being I actually did leave every every kid's dream yeah do do your kids watch you cuz when um my kids were smaller and they knew that my dad had played football and so they they came back to me one day and they were like do you know he's on YouTube and I was like yeah I do know he's on YouTube and like that for them was like the highlight of anybody's life that could they were like oh he must have done it because I can get it on YouTube there's two ways to it I have the the kids in that and they see it on on there where it's like they can see YouTube they see the TV but I like the most is I coached the kids the younger kids uh Team my son's team and that and they only see me as hunt as Dad and that's that that's the best thing like yeah they know I played football and I played swinder they're too young to really when I played in the Premier League and stuff but they just see me as Hunter's dad and then when they see me on the TV they're like oh he he could play yeah I do talk sometimes kids so I do know what I'm going on about but that that's the nicest thing and I just as as time goes on you I do look back and think wow I was able to achieve [Music] that do you ever have moments where you felt you changed your approach you took about you have nothing to lose did that changed the more you you know the better you got the more recognition you were getting for good and for bad Christine like in the way because you the highs of a high right and we go on to it when I've realized when I've retired when I was diagnosed with ADHD the highs are high right but the lows are very low and that's just part and parcel of not just the ADHD or or anything like that that's part and parcel of Sport the highs are brilliant when they come but the lows outweigh the highs unfortunately and that that's professional sport but you do have to change your ways did I at times yes but did I do it to full full capacity probably not yeah and you talk about diagnos that was 2023 wasn't it that you were diagnosed 24 La last last summer yeah yeah um it's such an interesting topic really and it's very topical at the minute is a lot of people talking about it clearly lots of people had this condition throughout you know since the the dawn of time but no one knew what it was no one knew how to deal with it but here we are having discussions and conversations that's a big part of you being here today and doing what you do now because suddenly you had this diagnosis which you have described as a a super power and I've heard it described like that by many other people Sam Thompson who was in the jungle is exactly the same um but it's so interesting how you think on reflection now looking back throughout your playing days how it affected you without you knowing that it was there it was it was alongside you the whole time I think back and I think that's why the the eyes were amazing right they was they was amazing and when I look back at it I now I realize with the lows the lows when you're injured and and not playing and all that that's why you couldn't handle that and I do put it down to not just that and that's definitely not just to blame right but you have no routine when you're injured my job is wake up go training get chained go across that white line play when you're injured you ain't going across that white L of playing because you can't so your day completely changes then on a Friday when you play an away game you travel into not you're going home cuz you're injured like that was a low and then for not for for people that that don't struggle with that yes they're low and they're disappointed but unfortunately for me anyway I took it the other way and was extremely low and at times it I must have been an absolute disaster to live with for my wife and the kids and even to even to now right even though I understand the scenario that that I'm facing it's still it's still tough yeah you obviously go through the highs with your team and the lows with your teammates as well did you notice a difference with how extreme your lows were maybe compared to to others yeah but I think you only see that you only see what other people want you to see right so if you're when you're in in their space and when you're at the training ground Etc you see me and we missed the Carell Cup Final I was injured done my shoulder and Virgil never played and he done his foot he got uh injured his foot he's out for three months we never played I see he was disappoint really disappointed not to play but so was I way he was disappointed and way I was away from them was probably very very different was very different and I just couldn't control that and the pro I always looked back and was like I me that's I could never shake off the Builder in me and that kind of mindset and that's okay I can go to work and I can just go to the pub after and all that kind of stuff when in reality professional top professional athlete and I needed to be a lot better but I couldn't just I couldn't get my head around it because that's the structure again that's putting that structure in place outside of the training bar no I'm not putting that ultimately I'm not holding that accountable at all I old man's up and be like yeah it wasn't great at times but maybe that was maybe that was just a small part of the puzzle that I needed to what made you go for the diagnosis my children my children W now was like do you know what that says maybe that's me but then also my friends and my wife was like show was always on to me like that's that's going to be you that's that's what you are it's not I'm I'm 100 m hour this and the other and then I just I i' done the diagnosis and and went to see the doctor I told my club my professional doctor my private doctor because I didn't even have a GP because you'd had one at the club I had one at the club so I didn't have one so I went to there first and they said right go and go and get diagnosed and do the test and i' done all done the stuff and they come back and and told me I got ADHD I was like okay my wife's looking at me see I told you so like I told you so so it wasn't a shock to her or to to my close friends was it a shock to you I don't think it was a shock it was more of a I didn't want to don't want agree with it I'm okay with it now completely and I was but I was like no like that my big Bigg fear was it was going to take away my personality and who I was that was my biggest fear touchwood hasn't done that at all even with blood medication that's that's not done that at all that was my biggest fear but now I'm just I live with it I enjoy it I enjoy having it makes me the person that I am today right I see how my kids live with it and and how much they grow at Old me I see how my wife deals with me and and the kids and how mad our house is and and and that's really it when you said you did it because of your kids because your two children were diagnosed with it then you thought oh actually that's me and do you think it helped them knowing that you have it so you're kind of United together in this ADHD world yeah they know when I'm stressed now they're like you had your medication today that but on that side I know so I take the medication in the morning if I don't take it in the afternoon then I'm getting F you know real like I want to do something I need to do something I'm going like oh we need to to do this and and the other but now when I've got the kids there and all that kind of stuff we like unit ad ADHD super power power family right so the family's almost taken the place that the football did because the football sort of allowed you to some way harness that kind of energy that you were having to the eny but I think the alarming thing to my mates and and my wife was in the summer so we're as you know foot players we're in a routine all year season you could tell your day Monday train Tuesday train off Wednesday Thursday Friday game Saturday maybe in on Sunday probably off right that's it for the whole year regard where the schedule goes now you've got 8 10 weeks off yes you got to do your gym work and and all that kind of you running when you're off hour two hours in the morning if I got no schedule then I'm I'm sat home watching kids are gone to school and I'm like so what are we doing today then like to my wife what are we doing today and she's like don't worry about what we're doing I've got stuff to do you got do and that was it I think that was probably like the start of the alarm inside for it and that was like the buildup of it all and and now now I've retired like I said I thought I'd have more time on me hands but now I'm full full blast with with the kids I feel I feel like I'm busier now than what I was when I played so but I enjoy it and it's and it's the best do you know it's the best decision I made in the summer to to stop full time it's also the best decision I've made to announce the diagnosis now I didn't put the diagnosis out there for anybody to to like it any comments any of that I put it out there because I felt like there's a Stig stigma behind it that's people have their opinions yes and no that's absolutely fine but I wanted to let people know that Sportsmen and women are not just these people that's up on Mount Rushmore and they can't be touched they not affected by any anything right so so that's why I done it [Music] you couldn't have played with the with the the treatment could you so you or you'd needed to get a tu an exemption and because obviously I didn't have a GP and from the NHS because you go private D they don't qualify in that in that way so that's why I to stop okay so because it hasn't gone through the NHS it's not it's not recognized because Revel Morrison tried to get a tu and he he couldn't get one when he was diagnosed with ADHD I understand like the scenario of it seen as a stimulant is it yeah it is but ultimately just because it's not shown and you can't see it it doesn't mean people are suffering like with it there's a big there's a everything's been out there rightly so mental health and everything is out there right but also this is a big this is a big thing also and I at times I do think especially where I've been involved and it's moved on that clubs and Club doctors do pry away from from the ADHD diagnosis because they can't do anything about it but I do always say if you went to all the youth under 18s and even the under 23 so don't even ask the first team or anything like that just ask them three or four questions that You' get and it just be like tick questions I guarantee there is 50 60% players because only going off of what I had of replies from players but not only me what was quite interesting was my wife got messages from partners footballers partner saying I've just read what Charlie said and that describes my partner do you know we we were talking the other day when um Jamie and and Gary's wives were in when Nicola and Emma were in and we were talking about how footballers love routine and they love a plan and they love to know what's happening next and they love structure and that's I I wonder if there's something about that well particularly at the very top level where actually it attracts that kind of that kind of personality because it it suits you and and actually the hyperfocus part of it if you have that part of your ADHD can be really helpful football feeds it then well that football feeds it and you're committed to you're committed to it and that's that's the biggest thing when you get the hyperfocus and you're stuck on something and that's not going to beat me I've got to do that you go the flip side of it you don't have that hyperfocus you're Tiding up and then just do a little bit and then that needs to and you and then you're just moving around and actually you've just made more mess you to your kitchen made more mess what you started you know oh my God what are we doing here so that's a sarar of it but football is a big hole to it because it is fully structured professional level it's fully structured and you ultimately can't get away from out of them lines really unless you are injured and then it becomes a different routine that ultimately that you your mind can't really goope with what what sort of advice would you give to someone then if if wife is being contacted you know by other other players partners because they can't medicate presumably if they are playing professionally I to go and you have to go you have to speak to the club doctors if they if they're there and you have to approach them and see what reaction you get back then you I went private to the Oxford ADHD Center and went there and done the appointment and worked that way but ultimately I think the toughest thing is the partners can say it but you've got to own it yourself and it's not it's not a scary thing I know it's easy for me to say because I've I've said said it out there right but you've got to come to terms with actually you know what I might I might have ADHD I might but there's no wor There's No No's you're not going to get any reaction from anybody and even if you didn't tell anyone go and see if you get tested and see if that is and if it comes back no it's where you are absolutely fine there's no harm in finding out so you weren't ever fearful of there being a stigma around it at all I was fearful of the stigma cu because it's there right that there is there's no getting away from it it's still there because even when we look all the way back all it was when we was younger with children now when we was younger with the kids there was naughty kids bad behavior that's all you put it to right that was it he's nauy child in that class naughty child there and that was we all can remember from school course we can look back and he was naughty at school she was naughty at school but you just don't know cuz it wasn't there right so the stigma is always there um now that's why I think I'm vocal on it yeah and that's why I'm vocal on it and that's why when autistic FC got in touch with me about being going there and doing that stuff I was delighted too and when I went to see Dan Franklin is the manager and the one who said it all up and I see these kids and I was just like wow you're you're amazing mate what you're doing for these people because ultimately what he he knew everyone's storying they all didn't get a chance they went into Sport and then it was coaches mind you coaches grassroot coaches are ultimately just parents right yeah we're we're parents at all the thing someone just they don't know how to deal in with certain kids or certain situations and this guy and his wife set up this thing and it's it's only growing yeah you talk about going a private to the the ADHD Clinic there and sadly it's so difficult for for a young person or anybody slightly older as well get yeah I'm saying that I'm saying it's like a private doctor I'm very fortunate because of the the football situation no of course ex and that's the difficult side of it not everybody is there and then it takes so long doesn't it yeah and I had fam's message also saying we like the NHS have been waiting five six years for a diagnose with their child we started the process when my child was six when she was in primary school now she's going into Secondary School like so you've gone all the way through that there's got to be there's got to be something yeah put in place cuz it there is so much there's so many families I think struggling the right word to use in a situation that they need help with because listen they could have ADHD they could have any part of the neurodiversity group that's there's so many parts to it right but they need they need help and and families need help to succeed and and not only the families the children but also the adults there's there's many more adults that's out there that W into their 30s 40s 50s that haven't been diagnosed and You' tell tell them to go and do it even at this cuz a lot of people as you get old you go ah I'm fine yeah I'm fine put things on and there's no personality change there's no personality change that was my biggest fear they take the personality i' got that and medication I'm not going to be same person that I've always kind of how is the medication what do you feel like on the medication and how has it helped so I take eism I tried the more Rim equ there's another one I I just didn't like straight away but the way they explain it to me was so I could dripping tap so I could get fast B I could get loads of it fast bur and it would slowly like slow through the day or I could put put the plug in and then just turn the tap on and it just drips mine just goes all the way through the day and just goes all the way through the day instead of so it's it's it helps me a lot well in what way like how do what does it add what does it take away what's the it just helps me like the focus side of of everything and I can just relax and not be impulsive I mean who goes on holiday goes to the water park and then decides you know what gets a phone call 40 minutes later decides to pack up his family and disappear to the other side of the world I mean hang on what that's what that's what I done go on so so I left QPR for Rob we take the time let's just go away and have the Sumo and just worry about football when I come back so we're at the water park and Abu dby and the kids are like going around my phone rings me aging okay hi mate you okay talking away yeah the club and would you what do you think about Australia I was no never been he said yeah Club wants you to go over there and play I like but I've never been he's said yeah they want you to see I said all listen let me speak to the wife and I'll I'll come back to you later on the day okay spoke to her 40 minutes later I rang back and said yeah mate when can we go when can we go had you spoken to your wife and only like what about Australia think about going like we s we going to brisban this we never even been I didn't go two weeks to go and see the place or anything like that we're halfway there we're the thing is we come back and obviously told people they're like are you really going I was like yeah that's it we're going and then obviously we'd went but the kids were still here with the grandparents and she'd come back and I was there on my own and you f yeah lovely time on your own and all that kind I'm the other side of the world time difference is completely different you know mean it was like that was just one of them sides of me that yeah it just that was one of the most alarming things I think the impulsive positivity that come with it is couldn't shake that [Music] off because it's such a broad diagnosis ADHD and people present in different ways and people have lots of different symptoms and it shows in lots of different ways but everybody thinks that their way of perceiving the world is the way that everybody else does and so there's that thing of going well if I get diagnosed with ADHD is that going to change me because I just assume everybody's like me yeah that I think that's the biggest thing everyone's different right yeah everyone's different just because like I say there's a big broad spectrum of it doesn't mean that you're any different than anybody else just deal with things differently and see things differently and that's why I always say about the superpower your gift yeah just go through life differently I could I I understand people right that that look at it differently that have it and quite in inside and don't want to speak about it and quite a littleit Tim it and all that but I go out and grab it like that just you have to go take that Journey the way that that everyone's different okay you have to go and take that journey and that's why I want my kids to do it because when we go through life life's Tough Enough right so it's if you have the support you can and if you got the support and the right places right things in the right places do you think that's one of the reasons why you made so many moves in your football you kind of went back to clubs and then returned and back again for another chance Comfort bit of comfort but equally you just on a whim you you've traveled up and down the country moved all over the place and not really seem to think much about it I think so like I made some crazy decisions in my time I moved to Swindon to Burnley but before I went to Burnley this is I went to Burnley I was I was at ipswitch literally the day before I was talking the contract terms all that was set up for a medical the next day and I said I want to sign for Burnley got in the car with Dad and my agent drove to Burnley that night didn't St it switch signed for Burnley the next day wow sign for Burnley then I was yeah then I was going I did well at Burnley and then I failed the medical at hole that was big disappointment right when I when I with my knee I knew I had an issue but it's fine but I I honestly thought that was it football's done I'm never going to pass a medical ever again I've got a problem with my knee noton Forest wanted me to sign for them and I was said no I'm not going then I decided to go and I thought nah let's go to QPR I read that once me boom straight down there and and boom straight I was straight down there and then it kind of just well then I kind of slowed down a little bit to a degree then I went to South then well there went to Southampton but I think when I look back at like the alarming times of of a bit of was when I go on the r when I was when I went mad at V after the Watford game par life yeah I put that down to emotion I don't use that that I motion what but also it was a great great moment it was so brilliant like you're not you're not you don't feel bad about that do you no no no I look back and I look back guy made that video brilliant but I think oh my God what about that I look back at certain moments and I think but don't we all yeah of course that's but I'm not hiding behind anything and I'm not using that as like the thing just at times I think maybe that was just my full impulsiveness when I was just what do you think you were like to work with you mentioned har other all of these other clubs switch people the C what do you think they'd say about you back I look back and I think it must have been tough to work with but I always put down so I care yeah I do put it down so I care and I want to win football's tough not many teams win and continue to win but I wanted to be the best I could I cared and when I was saying what I thought it was CU I thought it was with the best intentions and I think sometimes it got misinterpreted that I was trying to cause a problem but it wasn't it was my well I me well managers are like the ADHD that I was straight to the point I was straight to the point if anything you were too honest I was too honest that was my problem I was too honest but I wouldn't change anything for the world who do you think brought you out of yourself the most or understood you the most maybe as a manager or a coach yeah why cuz he give me self-belief and confidence when I I played all through the leagues and never played in the Premier League when I went in the summer I was in Germany with and preseason tour and we linked with all the players like qpri was at the time and he said to me don't worry about whoever we sign you're going to start for me in the Premier League and that give me the confidence to be like brilliant I've got the back in the manager to go on and play in the Premier League and I was fortunate enough to do to do well for him but he was the one that really boosted me can imagine doing the old arm around you can come on son he's very good he got a brilliant story that he tells he knows my my grant my dad's dad and he was a manager of Tottenham and I was at um I was at Hungerford I think it was at P town and he kept saying you got to sign my grandson brilliant really he's doing really well and then H's like oh yeah who does he play for and he's like oh hunger for he's like oh I'm trying to win I'm trying to get in the top four and be in the Champions League you're trying to get me young son and then he said about 18 months later he said to him I told you you should ass signed my grandson he's said who's that he's like Charlie Aus at swind he said I've just had a scout down there go to watch him and then obviously four years later I was um I was playing for him yeah he should have listened he should have listened it was all right every step but he was a great man I work for and someone that he really Midway through my career someone that I needed yeah I don't think you sound like you change anything about your career but if you could go back and and wave a magic wand and like not have the ADHD or have had the would you do it no cuz it made me the person am today right I wouldn't change anything but on the pitch on the pitch or change nothing off the pitch at times when you're injured a disaster that is that's when i' look back and i' done that differently at certain times but I look back and I think I'd never change it CU I said what I meant at the time I disagreed with people at the time because I I care and I felt like I was having the right intentions to to say what I did but ultimately I made a a fantastic career out of of putting a ball in the back of the net really and and and that was it so football may have saved you actually because it gave you that structure it gave you that purpose it gave you everything that maybe a job as a builder might not have given you and you could have gone off the rails in a different way and I think I look at it differently yes with a CH with my kids having having ADHD look it with the children but I think when you're out of that sport side of it you've got that structure and I was a builder or something I may have looked at it differently be right yeah I've got it but I'm I'm not getting diagnosed might have had the funds to go and get privately of course diag i' be waiting five six years so so 100% Hal on that yeah it's so great that that you within the sort of sporting world are so open and candid and willing to talk about all of this Charlie and I think we're hearing more of it like we say I mean even Adrien child's recently has spoken about and Tanya barsley Phil Barley's wife did whole documentary for ITV about it Sam Thompson there's lots of people within different sort of entertainment type worlds that have a voice and a platform and I think it's just so so important because like you said Kell every story is different and everybody's sort of approach to it different and it's just it's just so when I've got two you know a six and a three year-old I who knows you never know what's ahead for your children so it's just it's from an information perspective and just being able to grasp exactly what these different sort of conditions might mean it's just so important for all of us yeah no it is and one thing I say people just don't fear it adults parents don't don't fear gives get much advice and the best and ultimately the best advice you can go to is your GP right and to go and find out the information of what it is I look back and there's so much you wouldn't you would never know because ultimately you don't not shown it's not shown but you you'd never really know but just go out and find the advice and look there's a lot of people out there to to help and there's medication and don't be frightened of the word medication right people say you medication there's alarm bells ringing no no no it just just helps me on a daily basis that's all you know and that's it yeah I know what that feels like on the HRT Hallelujah Charlie that's not for you just for us recommendation [Music] so what what are you up to at the at the moment play football parttime Tuesday Thursday and a Saturday with Titan then I reckon I am a full-time Taxi Driver yeah full sports coach did the football with the kids that's the best thing that's right and you're a registered coach as well aren't you yeah I do my own do my own coaching and stuff that's where I get my full enjoyment of tough bit is like in the days as such we don't have that structure right that's a tough bit yes I do the school run in the morning brilliant but from that period where School the school's on I'm like what am I doing myself yes you can go and play golf yes I can go to the gym yes I go play tennis Etc but are you good around the house cuz that I mean that would be very useful if I have Frank at home who could actually help me in the house I have my wife says this I know you talking about gy and all this stuff i' said at the house she sound thinking about what's goes on Within I'm going hyoc she's like this when I know when you're on when you're having a moment cuz you R the house B Mr Clean all but there she says that comes short that so short person them um but no I'm disaster around the house them school days is like I have nothing to do it's like the boredom bit and that's when you it really picks up and you're like oh my God I need to find something to do need to get something cuz doing your be license that was at that point when you were actually struggling to focus on doing it was so it's interesting now you've come you know like the other end of that that helped me when I was going like when I was going through it bit God I've got right coaching sessions 18 sessions but there's much more to it than people realize the it was in my head so I'm like what do I need to explain it to you for I know what I want to do with the cones and where I want to put the balls in the why I explain it to someone that's going to sit there and just read it I can explain it to the kids I'll explain it in my way and when you're talking it I can I would speak it and this where it kind of really alarm with so my wife she wrote my um My Philosophy but I spoke it yeah because she was like I know what to write and but you just speak and I know how to put it down so people will understand it I think I wrote one page but I was obviously speaking out writing it and she looked at and was like there's not a chance you can send that in people ain't going to have a clue what you're on about right so she said you do the session speak out what you want me to do and that was it so I'd done it all like that but it's good I have my under eight uh HS team and five of them are like waiting for diagnosis and stuff like the air for it and all do you see it in kids yeah I do see it I think it's tough though like I'm fortunate because when I was diagnosed and I kind of know how to deal with certain mind you it doesn't stop you getting frustrated right there you can't as much as we come out of it and we go back to when we said oh when we younger kids are bad behavior you can't hide behind the fact the ADHD thingy there still bad behavior happen so there is a line and sometimes they do cross it right so You' got to you've got to nip it in the bud but ultimately that they're waiting to see see what happens and see what what happens for it but they're the highlight of my week and and spending time with them and and that's it if you see the red flags or or little things in in the kids would you pull their parents aside and have a little chat with them or yes but it's almost like the parents In fairness allow just leave me to it yeah parents kind of leave me to it to like understand understand cuz I think in the foot for me I look in my scenario at the football was where I was hyper focused I think I say to him you're with me 1 hour a week like this should be the fun time you're out here playing football with your friends should be enjoyment no need to mess around and then at times if you do get of course you've got to speak to your parents and two that obviously parents I'd spoken to but it wasn't like it was more on it was more on the behavior side and the listening side you can't do a lot about the distractions kids they year old boys girls everyone gets distracted right and and that's it and I have a girl that plays in my team and I say to all the boys sometimes I'm like just be like just be like her you know just going to say to any of your children show any kind of sporting press are they interested in any kind of sport son yes girls my daughter's got to that age now middle one she did all sports day love all that kind involved all SP then secondary school and then it's not cool anymore is it it's not cool anymore she can't go back to it yeah no that's I said to her last night being in front of I said she needs they're doing rugby or something at school and she said I need some football boots I was like okay fine yes yeah and she I I got the football I said I've signed you up you GNA do football on a Monday night yeah she's looking at me like you're joking I was like no like my I've seen them today there's like eight girls there training I'm going to sign you up she are you joking a look of horror on her face I was like yeah she was like you Dad I'm not playing football yeah none of my mates are doing it my a football she's not there but but that's it can I just say as well your wife sounds amazing yeah yeah I just have to give her a special mention she does she sounds like a very special like she has puts up with all three Jo's quite scary a personal one until I can't until I come back to austral from Australia it was the best thing i' done right was move over there was only over there 6 months before I moved back from there before I moved sorry I reckon I would have been an absolute disaster to live with cuz you go through that bit and I was at the full height my career all the way through and I was riding across of the wave yes lows and my heights were really high but ultimately I would it was all me and that that was it yeah she was there and ultimately she was the one that held everything together and all the glue and then when you go away take yourself away from the scenario the best thing I've done because I cut off about 85 90% of the the people and things that I kind of got involved in CU when you're out out sight out of mind and it really Tim me that's it then when I was the other side of the world you only spoke to people that you wanted to speak to or people rang you it's only people that wanted to know how you and the family were and that was the best thing when I come back like just made everything better and I look back and think oh he actually like behind every man there's always a stronger woman beside okay beside beside I wish we'd have brought her in yeah no you the she got asked like a few times she's like no I'm not doing that I can't do that she's like I like being at the back she I like being back what about I want to know about what's life like now like watching football as a fan obviously you're a Liverpool fan are your kids Liverpool fans are they okay yeah like brilliant my son I watched we watched a game on Sunday and he's with my dad and he is but watch the G in five minutes then he's climbing on the sofa then he's in the kitchen then he's back in he's under mile now watching but I said to my dad when we go to a live game he's boom just like Zone straight into it there's too much like going on in the house but I love it I love watching the football and all that what's quite interesting is now I see with a lot of players when they finishes I see the game completely different now do you completely different way we see everything I was Center forward so I'm only up one under the pit so my argument is get me the ball at that end right and that's it just waiting for that yeah yeah but now when you're watching the football I see the whole perspective of it and what I see even more than now watch is which is which is more evident I think everyone's opinion is different with football you see it every week the pundits watch the game and everyone has yes they agree to on certain bits but everyone has different opinions on it and that certainly happens with with me you have a whole new F love for managers actually don't you that's why when you ask me what was I like to work I'm I'm not sure I'm not sure I'm not like at times I'd want you my team I'm not sure and I think and I think that's the alarming thing when you see managers you can see the ones that are everything's going well and then unfortunately when it's not you see the stress man just put themselves under and and it's a and it's a different one right from from players to managers it's a completely different stress players it's it's you and it's you got look after yourself and be part of a team you're a manager you got the whole Collective you're all right right now's doing really well you're like okay we we're I'm always I'm always on a knife edge you could win the champion leue and I'm the typical one that's like yeah what's going to happen the next day though you say I'm that person it's the kind of the Irish mentality of me where it's like stay humble don't get too Coe that's so yeah I know yeah we can be positive in a moment but then I'm straight back down to noral yeah so I understand what you're saying though Suddenly It's like a whole new world you know completely different is it something you want to do though is it something you kind of want to progress with I think everybody wants to have a would say they want to have a crack at it I'd like to have a crack at it yeah would I the question is would I like to do at a full-time capacity that's that's the bigest thing and it's more full-time than being a player it's completely different right and the they're all the time and it's it's full on but I think there's only such a small market for It ultimately and for English coaches English managers only a small Market there really is and often you only get one go at it you only get one go at it see with with Wayne was gone gone through it with threat with Stevie like that and they're Elite they're top end English player so yes you've got there many of them but then You' got a lot of players that played football want to be the manager but the opportunities are not there so that's absolutely fine I think I'd rather just do it in the nor league if the opportunity ever come that's what I think I'll be Happ as much as i' take if I'd know what pressure still comes on it and it takes time I think I'll be better in that bit but I like the one-on-one coaching and all that kind of stuff I I just find a I like it I I help I like helping the boys and the girls yeah you seem like you're in a place where you know yourself and you kind of comfortable with yourself that's the biggest thing that's the biggest I know what where I am I know what I'm capable of doing I like doing this like doing the TV a podcast Radio all that oh me I like I like coaching the kids I say I enjoy the most yeah Charlie it's been so lovely talking to you thank you so much thank you guys I do want to ask do you think Liverpool are going to win the league yes I do just I'm going to put it out there at the moment of recording were post Arsenal's defeat to West Ham and Liverpool's win against Man City but midweek Arsenal at Forest Liverpool at home to Newcastle could all change again it could all change again but I just think not enough far as tough place to go and if Newcastle come to anfield and perform the way they did on Sunday against not forest in the last 20 minutes I think Liverpool will cause some real big problems however they perform well for the for the first start of the game I just think at the moment coming off that game on Sunday Liverpool really stamped their Authority and showed the rest of the league that actually don't talk about injuries don't do this we're we're the best team and we deservedly be first place oh thank you you so much