all right guys you are in for a treat today really actually I'm in for a treat because you know my obsession with Declassified CIA documents obviously this year I have made that book chaos required reading for any person that is watching this podcast I mean learning the truth about the CIA it is just it will Rip you into a new reality about our government what is real operation Mockingbird MK Ultra well today I have a guest who was in the CIA became a whistleblower I'm not sure how he's alive I'm going to ask him uh but it is our great and distinct honor to welcome Kevin ship to the Canda show Kevin thank you yeah thanks for having me I feel bad for you because this is like I'm just going to lock you in here and ask you so many questions right off the bat that's fine um first I'll just ask a question I think that a lot of people probably want to know a very softball question how does one become a CIA analyst do they call you after you place high on your SATs uh in some cases they do and they recruit out of some of the Ivy League colleges my case I had a friend who was in there I didn't know it because he was undercover was encouraging me to put in an application and and uh his name was Dana and I said Dana that's not going to happen not with my checkered and shaded College past you know drugs and alcohol and and all and and he said well just try it anyway and I said okay so I filled it out 171 gave it to him and just just blew it off that's the end of that I get a call this Kevin jip uh yes this is Mr X at the CIA you've uh applied for employment here I said yeah he goes uh would you like to continue with your application process and I said sure how old were you at the time I was let's see at that time I was 27 27 27 years old and they said okay then we'll continue thank you I said okay wait till they do my background investigation talk to my college friends you know then I get phone calls from my buddies two two guys in a suit knocked at our door they're FBI and they're asking questions about you and I'm like well surprised that did happen in college but uh they weren't FBI they were they were somebody else uh so I knew that they are out there checking on me and I and I was still convinced n I'll never make and then I got another call Kevin ship uh uh we are still interested in your application would you like to come into CI headquarters uh for an interview I was like okay so I go to CI headquarters in Langley Virginia walk in there in into the main building they badge me with the visitor badge I sit there lady in the business suit comes out she goes You cover ship I said yeah she goes follow me so I go down this long corter with combination locks and all the doors and at the end is this one doorway that's open and sitting behind the desk is this silver-haired guy up in this big desk and he's but this is the back where you can smoke in CI office Office Buildings and he's just chained smoking away and he goes Kevin have a seat so I sit in the chair and of course I sunk down you know and so his desk is way appear I'm like okay I know what's going on here he goes Uh Kevin got one question for you I said yes sir he goes you ever broken the law and I'm like okay that's the end of this I said uh I I'd become a Christian at that point so I you know I tried to tell the truth the best I could I said yes sir I have he goes why don't you tell me about it so I went through this long Litany of drug use and climbing to the top of radio towers and all this crazy stuff we did in college and and when I was done I was like oh well I told the truth he takes a drag off his cigarette blows out of his nose and he goes I got no problem that you want to continue I'm like yeah so anyway went to the polygraph and I did the same thing in the polygraph and told them all my my oh wow so they immediately then take you into a polygraph well it it was uh about a month after that they like to they like you to Stew so they're watching you as as they're watching you so each interview was was about almost three months apart for a total of six months okay and then one more question what were you actually doing as your career at that time I was a starving biologist okay yeah I was a biologist my uh minor was in microbiology and I decided I want to find a new career that you know I'm not made to be in a laboratory so that's why Dana had me turn in the application and so they would call you and they'd wait three months to kind of let you stew you know and next call I get uh Kevin ship yeah this is Mrs X um you have uh made it this far in your process would You' like to come in for a polygraph test and I said uh okay they said come to headquarters such and such a time and date uh and uh uh they'll send me to an outer building they do these in an outer non-discrete outer building and they said on such and such a date so I walk in there sit there with all these people that are in the chairs you know just Frozen about to take their CIA polygraph they called me back and I sat down in the chair and and they wired me up with all the wires the electrodermal plates and and everything and uh started asking me questions of course the first one was uh uh Kevin you ever broken the law and I was like okay and he was like anything El no and then they get into drugs and they get into alcohol and later on at the end of my tour I became a polygraph examiner so I knew you know much of it is is trickery it's not as much the interest instrument is really important but it's the skill of the of the examiner and how they ask questions and they do it in a specific way so they'll ask mundane questions and then they'll hit you with the big one and see how you react to the big one you know so anyway I got out of there in two hours which I understood later was a good thing and uh got my call uh U you're hired work for the CI report to CI headquarters such and such a date for my big briefing and I was in you have no idea a lot of times what you're going to be doing until you get in there you know which I certainly didn't so you were just shocked here you are biologist yeah yeah and dealing with test tubes and making no money now you're like actually now you work for the Central Intelligence Agency yeah yeah and maybe they like my check at the time uh no I was yes I was married at the time let's see I was 27 so I was I was married at the time yes and of course uh my wife couldn't know anything about once I got in there and found out what I was going to do you go through your first briefing I I want to being one of these briefers but everybody's sitting out there from secretaries to military leas on Generals in this big audience and then they tell them what the CI is all about and everybody goes whoa whoa and and they tell you how special you are and you're the 2% and that's when they start working on you nobody's like you you know and we chose you because you're special and and uh that's part of how they mess with your mind and get you to kind of be super loyal and test you to see what you'll do later uh so anyway I went through that then I started in what was called their security Protective Service they had just instituted a brand new program where they would uh train federal law enforcement officers at fletzy the federal law enforcement training center and the CI would bring them in get them a clearance uh they would be licensed federal police officers and then they would do secret things for the police inside SE headquarters and and buildings so I started there and then uh what sorts of secret things uh well protect the the way the statement is uh the security Protective Service protects CIA personnel and facilities and that means a lot especially overseas if you're protecting Personnel overseas you're involved in operations you know live or die which I wound up doing um and so uh within golly eight months I was promoted to be an agent a protective agent on the protective de detail of William Casey when he was director of the CIA and all the way up until he had his seizure and was taken to Georgetown University hospital then I was one of the agents in the hot seat outside of his hospital room while he was terminally ill and and uh that's when Bob Woodward claims he got in which is a fabrication because we caught him and showed him the door he never got in there wow and it's in his book Veil Secret Wars of the CI it's a complete fabrication wow yeah so then I went on to the counter Espionage group there was a mole in the CIA and I was in a special unit searching for that mole inside the the CIA uh then from there I went U and became uh a member of what would be the cia's version of a tier one they won't let let me say the exact name of the detail they they want me to call it an anti-terrorism assault team so we were sent overseas against uh the new People's Army terrorist group that were that were massacring police departments they were surveilling Embassy people they killed a bunch of Marines and we were sent over there to stop that from happening which country are you allowed to say no okay and uh so uh it was they said this is going to be a one-way Mission so we all took out life insurance and uh I had a close call with a terminal illness when I was a kid so I wasn't really afraid of much you know um so they asked for volunteers and only a few raised their hands and then we went through cut after cut after cut through this intense training with counter assault team training and hostage training and all this stuff and so now you're learning to shoot or had you already you're learning you're learning T tactical shooting we had to qualify in five different weapon systems we went through through really intense counterterrorism driver training we're we're we're in the dark we're driving down a track at 80 M an hour with a car ramming us from behind an instructor screaming obscenities right in our face and we had to make a 90 degree turn and do it successfully or we are off the team so okay I want to I want to stop pause here because you are saying all this stuff like it's super casual and now I feel like I'm listening to the audio of a James Bond flick okay because this is like this is incredible so they come to you and you've got this counterterrorism team and they ask who who would like to volunteer for this by the way you might die yeah cuz you've said that sort of casual yeah what but they basically were like take out some life insurance you're married at the time and you volunteer because you're a mad man I presume but you did say also because you had dealt with the terminal illness when you were younger and I wasn't afraid of dying yeah okay so what what was the terminal illness what were you I I was diagnosed with what's called bilateral hydrosis when when I was 12 years old and essentially both kidneys both of my kidneys had burst and and uh I was just uh going to the bathroom and nothing was but blood was coming out so they rushed me to Fairfax Hospital and uh kidneys were gone was just a mass of blood and they gave me six weeks to live and uh my mom who was an agnostic had a friend named Sue Barton wonderful lady and she had a prayer group and that little prayer group of ladies you know believed that God still heals uh from the Bible and so they prayed and prayed and prayed I didn't know this uh they prayed and I remember remember I was in the hospital and of course I was feeling horrible I was in there for 30 days at that point and I was their poster child you know cuz I wasn't supposed to make it and then all a sudden I started just feeling healthy for the first time in a long time and I remember sitting up telling the the nurse open the window let the sunshine coming she's like okay they took me back down and x-rayed my sides and both my kidneys were back uh this is in Fairfax County records Fairfax County Hospital yeah and uh and so after that I knew something really remarkable had happened and through after my college Years I finally found was smart enough to find faith when I started looking into it to get through my thick head and uh then I I became a very sincere Christian after that so then yeah so this is why you don't have this fear of death yeah so you're you're a dedicated Christian you're like all right this this is what I'm going to do I'm going to go overseas I'm going to join this counterterrorism unit and you go through this intense training you get over there and I assume you don't die nope I I I I sure didn't die you know and it's funny that the way that it works because the CI is such a mind game that uh I went native for about five years and I became them out collecting human intelligence in the field through assets and trying to penetrate governments and things and what that does drinking with the the uh the enemy you know and and and uh what that does to your moral compass is just not good and so for 5 years I was kind of one of them you know although I was a Christian I was still a Christian but backslid would probably be a a good your job was to be dishonest my job was to steal to lie to drink with the foreigners and and I would take metal notes as I was extracting information we get them real drunk you know take him out and get them to talk and then I'd memorize everything they said and then take coded notes when I got back to the hotel and then smuggle those back the agency and write reports and and I got award for that um so uh we did a lot of that it was dirty work um that the James Bond image you know when you get out and actual case officer work it's more Sakely I would say but you've of course been severely you've gone through the propa the propaganda of the training absolutely you're a part of oh yeah it's a mind messing organization absolutely and the the defining moment which kind of opened my eyes is I was I was we were on the border of the Soviet Union KGB was everywhere we were followed we had a KGB officer that followed us everywhere we called them Boris and I left the hotel one day to go up to uh this little mall and and get something to eat in the hotel and this lady comes up to me and and she goes uh hi sir would you like to hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ excuse me and I and I I pushed her away and I said no thank you and I took about four steps and I was like my God what has happened to me you know I went back to the hotel room I was like I can't do this anymore and uh went back to headquarters and because I'd written gotten some good human intelligence and done some good operations I got a call from the division Chief we want you to come and do this collecting human intelligence in the field uh for the rest of your career uh I mean this is an offer that nobody refuse you can't refuse this you know I used to come home and take a bath go to church to take a soul bath you know after what I'd just done and I love my kids and my family more than anything so uh I told them on the phone I said uh sir thank you so much for the offer but I'm I'm not interested I'm I'm going have to turn it down to go what your career with this agency is over if you turn this down I said well yeah yes sir if that's the case then that's the case he goes uh it's over for you click he hangs up the phone and I'm like Okie doie walked out of my office and there's a I can't mention his name but he's a real well-known uh figure was now with the CIA and I walked out my head kind of hanging and uh he comes out and puts his arm around me he goes uh and excuse my my friend here but he goes Hey Kevin I said yeah yeah I'm feeling down I just got really hammered and he goes uh it's about time somebody told those bastards no I'm like that helps so uh and in the context of my career I I uncovered this vulnerability I was put on an assignment looking at uh computer system connections between the CI and some of our Allied intelligence agencies and as I was doing an investigation I uncovered a vulnerability where it appeared that any foreign intelligence service um any terrorist organization could go into the Visa section of an embassy where they're just open computers and go into that computer into the system in the embassy and identify our covert agents chief of staffs and and by extension their assets and at first I was like my gosh how can this be so I investigated further and dug and dug and it turned out that it looked like yes you can do this so I contacted the office Division and the CI responsible I said look I think this can be done and they're like we doubt it and I said well let me send my report over to you and you can give it to the division Chief and and uh let him look at it just see what he thinks so I send it through internal CIA mail I call a week later did you get my report what report I said you know the one I sent you through internal mail uh no we didn't get any report so I said okay I'll send it again so I sent it again waited a week called him okay did you get it this time what report I'm like what the heck is going on here the one I sent you uh no we don't remember any report I said all right I'm going to come over to your office office in CI headquarters and I'm going to give you the report over your desk so I did that I traveled to CI headquarters with the report walked up into the office there was the division Chief's executive Aid and I said ma'am here's the report uh I think he needs to look at this and she kind of bristled and said okay I'll give it to him week later I called did the chief get a chance to uh read my report he goes she goes I don't remember any report I'm like uh ma'am the one I just handed you over your desk I don't remember that we don't remember any any report then I went into the CIA server in headquarters and they had erased my report from the CIA server and I was like what on Earth is going on here you would think that they'd want to know about this and do something so their guys don't get killed so guys don't get killed yeah and then I get a call from this division Chief in a menacing tone Kevin ship I'm like this is so and so from uh Clarence protection division I'll call it I said yes sir he goes I'm ordering you to drop this investigation and drop it now or else it's your career I'm like but sir he goes no I'm tell ordering you to stop it click and and uh okay what do I do then uh well it turns out that my immediate boss uh I'll call Jack leaked my report to Department of State senior inspector General's office former decorated CI officer was now one of the leaders in their staff and I get this phone call on the secure line Kevin this is Jim so and so uh and I knew who he was I mean he's very well respected in the agency I said yeah yes sir he goes listen uh we got a copy of your report and we think there may be a concern here uh so I said uh uh yeah I think so too and he goes would you come over to State and brief us and I said certainly so I went over to Department of State briefed the IG and they looked at it and they said yeah this is concerning uh let us look at this and then we'll get back to you so I go back to my uh desk in this outer building I get a call from Jim he goes Kev uh this looks serious we're going to do a global investigation to this and see if this is really happening do not tell the CIA what you're doing or what we're doing keep this secret you'll hear from us in about three months so I was like goodness okay three months I get a call on on the secure line and it's Jim he goes Kevin we need you to come over to State uh it's worse than even you thought I said yes sir he goes could you be at State this Friday at such to such a time I said yes sir so I went over there and uh the IG guys buzz me in on the Upper Floor and I walk in and there's Jim and the two IG guys they say come on back to the conference room I walk into this room with this long Walnut conference room and I sit on one side of the table Jim on the other two two IG guys at the end and they said uh the CI will be here in just a moment I'm like oh I didn't know the CIA was coming to this um and uh so um we wait there's a buzz on the door the door opens and in walks the chief the vision chief of this cover protection division who told you drop it told me the division that told me to drop it or else and they said uh have a seat at the end of the table sir and uh this is gs15 CI official and uh way above my head he sat down at the end of the table he didn't know why he was there he was kind of he was kind of nervous and they said uh consider this an official rebuke by the Department of State to the CIA for putting the lives of of their covert agents at risk for over 10 years and then covering it up consider this an official rebuke and this report is going to go to the entire intelligence community and they're all going to see what you've done well he blood just drained from his face he got Ash and white and froze and was and shocked was like uhoh we're busted and they said you can go now so he gets up and he walks out and I'm sitting there thinking well that's the end of me that's the end of my care and I remember going back to the CI headquarters walking through the main hallway and it was figuratively speaking it was like I had a laser dot in my back I knew they were coming for me and eventually they wound up assigning me to a a secret base where they did all kinds of Dirty deeds and buried a bunch of stuff and put me in a house that they knew was badly contaminated the people in it before were very ill and uh and ordered me and my family into this house and uh we all got terribly sick my son's immune system was was destroyed the IM immunologist said it looked like he'd been exposed to a burst of radiation uh my wife was uh bedridden bruising all over her body bleeding from her guns she was in dementia lost her short-term memory the CI was ordering me not to tell anybody about it they wouldn't they wouldn't allow any medical tests any environmental tests uh told me to keep it quiet they wouldn't let me coma contact my supervisor back in Washington and uh anyway uh so uh it was bad then they broke into our house house you know I was two steps ahead cuz I was them so we were out of the house and I put tape seals on all the doors and windows and a little Radio Shack voice activated tape recorder you know how technically Advanced I put it up in the in the civilware container and then a little safety zone motion activated siren while we were gone and uh we get back we go into the house all five tape seals are broken I I turn on the tape recorder and you can hear the door opening with a master key some rustling around you can hear the the alarm go off and then shut off immediately they knew how to shut that thing off and you had to kind of know what to do and uh at that point I'd filed a personal injury suit against the CI because they were covering this thing up and we went back into where looked like most of the toxins were coming in they were coming in from below and above and there were uh big paint brushes of invisible chemical the CIA had broken in and painted on the ceiling they didn't know that I was using a back black light cuz that's how you can find a lot of toxin is with black light and I remember Clinton my and a courageous attorney were standing there and I hit it with the black light and he goes this is like three days at the Condor I'm like every time I think they're not going to do something they do anyway that led to me coming out becoming a whistleblower and and then seeing what the CIA will do to whistleblowers and the perfected system that's why you never hear about CIA whistleblowers they have a perfected system of of career destruction if you talk about anything that you see that is criminal or legal or whatever to to to uh classify it seal it put it under the state Secrets privilege and and they threatened me and my wife and kids with prison if we talked about the evidence I collected to anyone and then I was that was it that's it so I wrote from the company of Shadows came out went to First not knowing to The Washington Post and said I'm a fory officer I want to come out with this story And the reporter was like okay yeah uh he started calling me and over 30 days I gave him the story unclassified story over 30 days he kept calling and asking questions that required classified answers and I wouldn't give them to him this one on finally I said look look uh Charlie Savage at the New York Times wants this story so if you're not going to do this and you keep this up I'm going to give it to him no please my editor my editor is on me to to ask these questions well guess who his editor was Bob Woodward uh Mockingbird uh poster child Bob Woodward and it turns out that that post had gone straight to the CIA and reported my contact new estimates show that more than 1 million babies were killed by abortion in 2023 the highest number of abortions since 2012 we have to fight back 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did and was in contact with deep throw but it was actually the state overthrowing Nixon like it was it was a deep State overthrew Nixon they wanted him out and then they wanted to make it seem like it was this like heroic thing to the public uh and so actually Nixon was a victim of the deep State correct just like JFK was before him and so realizing that that Bob Woodward is claim to fame is had a source yeah your Source was the CIA that was trying to to radically OU to president stage a coup essentially so you realize then at that point and by the way just to slow this down and I know people that watch this already know about operation Mockingbird but it is really one of the most crucial ones to understanding the mainstream media web uh the CIA puts this into place and quite literally just puts journalists on the CIA payroll uh to be able to control the information that's out to the getting out to the public after JFK get shot they're worried about what's going to happen the public is asking too many questions so they just want journalists to all say the exact same thing and we still see this today there was no discontinuation of project Mockingbird so you make the mistake of going there must be a noble media member at the Washington Post that was all in the past you know it doesn't continue today well what year is this by the way what's that what year is this that you're dealing with that would be uh 201 12 okay and then that's when I wrote from the company Shadows so yeah and then and then I started experiencing firsthand uh other uh major Publishers when I wrote from the company of Shadows oh no no no we can't touch that we don't want to make the CIA mad and the CIA had threatened a lot of journalists and a lot of uh Publishers Don't touch don't touch anything against the CIA so they were all terrified and plus the editors of the Washington Post The Washington Post is one of the founders of Mocking Bird Philip York Times what's that one of the highest New York Times yes Time Magazine they had 400 more than 400 reporters and news anchors on CIA payroll and operation mocking bir started um and now uh they fun they operate two ways a journalist with any major news media or or news periodical knows that if they investigate do a real investigative piece on the CIA they're done I mean the editors tell them many editors have a quid proquo with the CIA uh not to report negatively on the CIA and there's some major news organizations that people watch that do not that have that relationship and so if they say anything negative about the CIA the CIA will stop feeding them stories so that they can get the first scoop and cut them off and that's going on right now with uh several well-known news organizations I mentioned the one with the CIA the Bell pin um so uh clearly going on then this last Administration thank God which is out the back door uh started what's called The Trusted news initiative where the CI signed an agreement with the Associated Press The Washington Post of course um and all four social media companies in The Trusted news initiative signed an agreement with the dni and the CIA not to report to sensor certain pieces of information on all social media and in their reporting literally signed a an agreement not to do that now when you sign a CIA agreement uh especially if there's money involved they'll put you under a non-disclosure agreement with a threat of prison if you talk about anything you're not supposed to talk about and and that's how the CIA controls journalists that's why there are no whistleblowers until recently uh because of the NDA you come out and you talk about this you're going to going to prison you sign a secrecy agreement as an officer never to put anything out without the CIA approving it which means they'll redact or black out the entire thing which they did my first book uh and uh and sit on it for a year or two that's what they do every single time and some of that's in the book it's really comp compelling to consider that you did what you thought was an act of service trying to rescue the lives of other CIA servicemen report this hey this must be by accident that we have this exposure to them that can access their information via visa application whatever it is and this resulted in you being poisoned like they were just going to they were just going to poison you and your family because how dare you and it was a direct order of course my mind is instantly running why would they not want to deal with that of course if they realize that CIA service can killed and then of course my mind then instantly goes to because they kind of wanted them to get killed so they could you know declare an act of war against whatever Target it is they killed somebody in the CIA and you know it was it was a this is their favorite a remarkable intelligence failure They Were Somehow able to access the information by accident we had no idea in reality they wanted these people to be harmed why would they not take care of something that clearly put their agents lives at risk why would they leave it there to the point of covering up threatening me and then taking the report off off the CIA server unless they wanted that vulnerab vulnerability there to use if there was a say a chief of station who wasn't playing by the by the book or or they wanted to plausible denial for some operation that went bad to blame you know how how it happened and that's the only logical conclusion I just think false Flags it's like somebody gets hurt and then you say you had no idea how this happened and now we have to retaliate because our guys are getting killed or somebody high up got killed of going going to the Homeland and this people are asking all the time like how many false flags have they allowed these remarkable security failures to happen several a lot several from goodness Grace from the Vietnam war with the Gulf of talking that was a false flag the the Vietnamese ships on the radar attacking those were fake the CIA added those on the radar that they gave the Congress the Vietnam War was started by a false flag and look at 50,000 Americans soldiers died and a million Vietnamese civilians died because of that uh um and then you go to Iraq the false intelligence from Iraq 500,000 Iraqi civilians 25 200 US troops were killed and 200,000 US service Personnel were badly injured uh because of false intelligence from the CIA remarkable intelligence failure yeah even Pearl Harbor they had warnings of it happening that they chose like it was justkt failure they heard it was and then it happened and then what do you know we're in World War II and this just really gets into the military-industrial complex because they need to make sure that the public is on their side yeah and that is why this book chaos blew my mind to think that the Charles Manson Murders which fundamentally changed people were so traumatized by how graphic these murders were and to know the CIA was there that night I mean what that Tom o' uncovered and almost he dedicated his whole life to it you know he was flat broke and just filing fya requests for years realizing that the public thought that Charles Manson just hypnotized some people to do these crazy things but in reality everything we know about the Nancy murders this guy was MK Ultra he was trained by the government and this was in order for people to I guess to just end the hippie dream they they wanted to go to war people the hippies were too love rock and roll and this leading up to the Vietnam War J bloodthirst Vietnam Cambodia it's incredible the lengths they will go through to get the public on the side of war and extremely upsetting and then even in that back in the 60s that was a pretty much project Mockingbird because he explained how all the Press them was wa watching writing every minute every detail because they wanted to traumatize the press and these moments are traumatizing Pearl Harbor traumatizing I always go back to my propaganda as a a child um School 911 and now I think back in it I'm going oh my gosh just the words they use and they don't want think about anything but the emotion of it right like so we get in line and we go okay yeah no we're totally okay with establishing TSA and giving up all of our freedoms in order for us to stay safe gutting the Constitution gutting the Constitution because all they're doing is showing us these images and talking about terrorism and we're I was in the classroom and they're telling us you know in order to be safe to keep you safe and then we have to go to war and we we can't just quickly say war in Iraq is okay don't even ask questions even though though there were saes in the plane yeah all it takes is something very traumatizing to happen operation Mockingbird in full effect and you can in most instances get the public to be persuaded to go into a war a conflict that they know nothing about you nailed it you nailed it uh yes and in terms of 911 uh I taught criminal investigations at a college and I did investigations obviously Espionage investigations in the agency a criminal investigation was never done on 911 uh they automatically blamed it on terrorism they didn't examine any of the evidence as a matter of fact they bust out all of the Iron and Steel on barges to China the next day uh uh and they made these ridiculous and you know they when they do their propaganda it seems so stupid on its face but they repeat it so many times for example well we can prove that it was such and such um hijacker that that flew the plane in the building because we found his passport laying on East Street so stupid what uh let's see the plane was incinerated the floor above and below the plane were incinerated there was absolutely nothing left the building was powder but amazingly they found this passport that proved their narrative oh this year we did a two episode series on 911 to go backwards because I was a child and to show people we found these old clips and showed them do you realize how much we Rel lied to about 911 like it's just unbelievable when you when you look back at everything they told astounding and then the things that they ignored that happened that day and the presence of the mad that was there and and and they never really answered the question and just Tower seven Tower 7 was very clearly just dropped to the come on you cannot explain that away I mean and then they when you learn even more which I didn't even show on the show about the art students that were there that were also intelligent art students and and and then the weeks leading up just like what a coincidence what a CO and I did some research on plane crashes as I'm sure many of your viewers have and every single plane crash especially a large aircraft there's always always wreckage left of the parts that can't be blown apart the the uh landing gear and the engines specifically a lot of times the nose cone well Shanksville Pennsylvania no wreckage whatsoever uh the Pentagon there were no engines uh there were no no none of the the landing gear nothing and yet there were servicemen around that said I've served in active military it was a missile I I can tell you the sound of a missile and they ignored all of this and then we even pulled an old clip of a CNN journalist who was on the ground that day and said I got up close there's no plane and they just kind of tried to wipe this from the internet and so we had to dig up this I'm like you had a CNN journalist who was just probably telling just telling the truth and it's like I'm here this is amazing like I got up close there's no plane yeah and you just see this perfect hole and then you have all these people who know who have been act active military zones who said I heard heard a missile that day they don't releasee they they classify images of the plane G 200 who knows when Tom fitt and Judicial Watch was finally able and you can't see anything it's like what hit the Pentagon that day yeah just directly and then they call us conspiracy theorists yeah which is a part of operation mockberg that the CIA created that the CIA created that and yeah I've got to copy that memo people calling people conspiracy theorists well let's just change that and call it conspiracy investigators how about that conspir which is what we need these days you know um so what do you mean you got a memo of conspiracy theor uh there's a memo where where finally a freedom information act request uh was answered and they gave a memo where the CI said responding to the JFK assassination uh we need to respond the conspiracy theories that are out there about this shooting and that's where the conspiracy theory label came from was from that that memo and uh that's that's an easy used to be an easy out to Brand somebody a spiracy there to to avoid the facts like 9/11 there needs to be a criminal investigation despite the destruction of evidence of 9911 and never there never was and in the book Alvin Buzzy cron guard who ordered the ciig to silence and destroy me because of what was on that base dirty tricks on that base Alvin Buzzy cron guard George tenet's XO came directly from Wall Street Alex Browns and Sons was his Corporation cron guard didn't want anybody know know this but he'd been affiliated with Wall Street with the CIA for years and and tenant and he made it look like that was his first stint and they just brought him in from Wall Street well that wasn't true he was associated with the CI for years and a few days before the planes hit the towers Buzzy cron guard's company sold all short sold all their stock in United Airlines and American Airlines and in the 9911 report which is almost like the Warren Commission report uh they didn't really want to find anything or uh they mentioned there was some short selling going Short Selling meaning you know something's going to happen so you sell your stock for cheap uh uh there were some companies that short sold stock in the airlines uh uh but we found nothing there same with like Larry Silverstein who like purchased the insurance on it just six weeks before incredible yeah and we found no Trace at Alca had funded it you know uh well they Buzzy kard is not mentioned because he was the one that his company sold those short sold those stocks but it stuck way down in a footnote in the 911 Commission report that there was this company and blah blah blah blah well that that's in our book as now which company was this this was Alex Brown and Trust which was later bought by the deuts bank Buzzy cron guard came over acting like he was only making a dollar for service of his country when in reality he made $71 million off the sale from Alex Alex uh uh trust and Sons to deuts bank before he came with the CIA he was a multi-millionaire but he claimed that you know he was doing it for for a country uh so and it was it was Buzzy kard that went after me uh when I uncovered that vulnerability and 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over 900 pro-life organizations across the US it's interesting to realize how severely propagandized those agents have to be to realize you're working for an agency that is sending you out to destroy somebody who has worked for this agency which means they're teaching you loyalty that they are not ever going to reciprocate to you right and that doesn't come online for these agents I think about that all the time as I'm unpacking all of these things and what the CIA has been involved in and you know I was even speaking to a guy about the moon landing and how many people got killed you know very bizarrely died in mysterious circumstances and you just wonder when you see these agents like when does it come online you're not a part of them like there is a very small Elite who realizes that if they make you think that you're in you're in the cool club that you'll do anything for that yeah you'll put your lives on the line but to to them to the people at the very top they'll replace you tomorrow they'll kill you tomorrow you know you're as good as you can serve them today yes and it's just interesting to hear that that they were sent to go destroy a CIA agent as if they weren't CIA I would go I'm working for the wrong place if you're asking me to destroy someone that's a colleague yeah yeah was for for what because he tried to save other colleagues yeah and and he's exposing this base that we've been trying to hide for decades and all kinds of bad stuff that they' buried there uh yeah and I'll tell you the 20% the top 20% of the CIA especially at the highest levels they're malignant narcissists they do not care about human life now that the 80% below there's a lot of good patriotic you know America loving people just doing their job but the 20% that's where the darkness and the evil is because they they do not believe in democracy at that level and they could care less about the Constitution obviously because they break federal law all the time they broke it in my case several times so uh it's that top dark 20% that that are doing the same things they've been doing since MK Ultra was initiated and MK Ultra was in place for 20 years that was not a short program I think it's still in place well you got to ask yourself uh yeah why would uh Thomas uh Crooks uh shoot take a shot at Donald Trump and you look at his background of course it's under investigation so they're not going to release you know but this guy this guy had three encrypted overseas bank accounts which I haven't heard anybody investigate that he had no history of criminal violence no threats he was a brainiac in school he' received an award as an honor student of course he was in a Black Rock commercial but in my opinion that was just a coincidence because they were bright students they were interviewing but but uh this kid had no history no inclination to do that and yet one day he climbs up and and does that then there's Siran Siran and both Bobby Kennedy and I are absolutely convinced that Siran Siran was an MK Ultra uh a programmed by MK Ultra he had no memory of of shooting Bobby Kennedy senior and when they went into to hypnotize him they said he was so easy to hypnotize they had him Climbing Up and Down the Walls like a monkey they could make him do whatever they wanted and he would do it he's just that's just the way his mind was like it had been really badly messed with so I think Bobby Kennedy and I are convinced that was an MK Ultra subject too yeah I'm very convinced that he was obviously murdered and somebody also was telling me someone on the pbd podcast was telling me there's actually a book that's super interesting that it wasn't even him being stabbed that killed him it basically one of the things that you also learn in this chaos book which is the same which is that there are corrupt medical examiners uh and after people di he was telling me that there was an injection that went into his neck and they that killed him instantly um so there's always a Lackey and they're supposed to be someone that makes sure that the job gets done and so that's one I haven't had time really to explore that death but tanan I I really want to look into that but it's very likely you can always tell in the manner and the swiftness that they lock down investigation and want the media to move on because why would the media move on so quickly from someone trying to shoot president Donald Trump if it wasn't because we were going to find who was implicated was going to be the CIA and I also was stunned by absolutely how every network was covering that rally like every Network who hates Trump was there that day and was covering it and I think about that now when I think about these sort of mass psychosis that is supposed to come out of these events if everyone's watching and he speaking and then he gets shot on camera and then afterwards what they already had ready to go they said you know Iran did this do you remember this yeah what Thomas Crooks and Iran like I come on we received intelligence from Iran they were going to do it balone yes of course it's balone are you oh so this random kid was really hooked up with the Iran regime CIA propaganda absolutely and I'm thinking does anybody believe this nonsense that Iran had anything to do with this like this is the state trying to take out Donald Trump and I'm going please Trump do not accept that they are obviously have trained this kid and it's funny you remark on him being a brainiac because um a lot of these and I'm blanking on his name and maybe one of you guys can tell me the Connecticut shooting um the school shooting that was horrific um Adam Lanza was another one of these Brainiac kids and the FBI gave him a visit after he was able to hack into their computers when he was really young and they said well may work for you know the FBI one day and it's and I don't know if it's alleged or if the if I actually read this in a mainstream media article that he was visiting Gale often and we know like what what was he doing so you get to visit early on because he's a brainiac next thing you know and you can see in his eyes he looks drugged out of his mind absolutely and so these are the questions that I would have thought years ago was a conspiracy until I really learned about what the MK Ultra program was I mean we're talking even attempts to turn someone into a psychopath by sexually assaulting them when they're young sodomy all of these things our government did this yes they did they did uh they used sexual violence they used um torture putting him in Frozen rooms uh hanging them they used extreme amounts of LSD extreme amounts of electroshock and the the original idea was they were trying to to uh create assassins that would go kill somebody and then have no memory of the event suran San and also um John Lennon the night that he was shot CIA was there that night yeah and these normal average people uh successful many times intelligent people just go out and do these horrific things with no prior warning or indicators behaviorally at all uh and and then uh with Adam lansay you look in his eyes and some of these people's eyes and his brain was was on he'd been on something for a quite a while I mean that's pretty clear he was he'd been driven mentally insane and that's what Ultra was designed to do to to uh to train uh criminal Killers but that who would not remember what they did and to train couriers as mules who would Courier information over to intelligence agencies and then forget the information that they were just given also to do that um and then to do enhanced interrogations even way back then and the torture program was not just water boarding by the way uh but they to do uh enhanced interrogations back then and that's what Mk Ultra was all about from um uh Jolly West Lewis who was he was the chief of Psychiatry at UCLA and denied any involvement in MK Ultra which was developed by Dr Sydney gotle who was The Madman of the program and uh Jolly Lewis um J West he went by sometimes West claimed that he had no nothing to do with MK Ultra and and he would sue anybody that said that he did up until he died well Tom O'Neal did a superb investigation where he to UCLA and found his West's uh uh notes and records that UCA hadn't UCLA hadn't gotten gotten rid of yet and he went through there meticulously and he found correspondence between Dr Sydney gotle and uh West about MK Ultra and how they were going to try to hide it and try to move it out in the field and made that connection right there shocking part of the book yes and in in hate ashberry um Jolly Jolly West Lewis had his MK Ultra office right next to hate Ashbury clinic and they would refer people over and some of the people that O'Neal interviewed that were involved in he Asbury said oh yeah uh Manson and the girls came to see uh Mr West often all the time and then they go out and do this horrific murder uh that's beyond imagination uh come on uh I think he really hit on a a uh a big truth there no he did and that's why I say you have to read this book because it really you really have to confront how evil our government has been and therefore is because they have not sound like there was some Mia C but we did this and we're sorry they just keep these things up and they keep gaslighting us and they keep pretending that these people are oneoff Looney Tunes and then you realize that there is some connection with an MK Ultra program or the government had visited them or they were brainiacs you you really really have to understand what the MK Ultra program is and so it completely changes the way that I view all of these events because I don't view them as random at all it should I know that they want us to view it as random and I and it's so interesting to see as more and more things get exposed you know we have the Diddy case and all of the same elements are in everything drugs people not remembering things beds are somehow involved and the Diddy case are saying you know he had a number that he could call this was being alleged by the person who brought the lawsuit forth and really exploded things that the LAPD very similar to Charles Manson there was a person that was working for the Feds that could just make things disappear and they could rely on the media to lie about things that were happening shocking I'm going but not so shocking once you read realize this has been going on at least since the 60s oh yeah and so that also brings us into the Jeffrey Epstein thing I was about to mention this yeah so the Diddy the Diddy is kind of like the Hollywood of the Jeffrey Epstein which is something the media worked very hard to bury for a very long time and the most compelling part of the Jeffrey Epstein thing is how they just sort of released him uh and allowed him to live in his house at first and when questioned about this what's his name aosta aosta aosta said I was told as a judge he was intelligent that he was intelligent and that is the reason I could not prosecute him there was somebody above me who said I could not prose prosecute this asset that's right that's right what are we to make of that who what do you think about was a CI mad asset that was recruited and was doing a blackmail operation I think that's crystal clear no question about it so tends to be the party guy just like did he drugs drugs the CI as part of MK Ultra had operation climax or they were lure JN in with drugs and prostitutes and then this drunk CIA schmuck would sit on the opposite of a two-way mirror and take notes on what you know uh just evil wicked stuff and and that's what they're using Epstein for was blackmail operations and they got some pretty high level people snared into that and they're they haven't relased released the entire list of Epstein close Epstein confidants but uh um you know Israel's former prime minister was one of them um so uh which prime minister uh uh Baho uh trying to remember uh um you'll have to you'll have to check it I'm drawing the blank on his name boud something he got bar yes they got a picture of him visiting Epstein at his New York apartment and he was well-connected to Epstein but that was all in secret when that that is the intelligence part of mad and and of course they couldn't do that without coordinating with the CIA so the I asked this question now the the more I learn there just always seems to be this connection between the CIA and the mad and I'm going is it just no they're the same organization the more you look back into history and it's always somehow the CIA and the mad is there on the day that JFK gets shot we learn about like MLK we learn about 911 and M going okay why does it seem like there's a union here a marriage here mad is like the sister of the CIA they're joined at the hip kind of like siamese twins and they use each other for Intel operations and things like that they are extremely close and an extremely sensitive relationship oh yeah wow and and this is totally explains what Epstein was doing and also galain Maxwell's Father Robert Maxwell when he died and didn't he die rather mysteriously I'm not sure uh he fell off he found dead off his yacht floating in the water they claimed it was a heart attack of course just when he was coming under scrutiny for arms dealing and connections with the CIA and being a mad agent actually a double agent with mad AGB all a sudden he's found dead floating next to his yacht you know and happens all the time oh yeah it's just yeah yeah just one of those things see what but a ton of Massad agents and I think a former prime minister of Israel attended his funeral so it's like guys hey maybe it's like you Lane it's very difficult that they find out the hard way to cover up the truth because it's going to leak out you know somewhere and it's good investigative journalists and people like yourself that look for those leaks and then start digging which is what we have to do because we're being lied to constantly our government has not changed uh since Pearl Harbor uh it is the same the CI is the same at the upper levels they're doing the same kinds of things I was an agent on William Casey's detail and one of my posts was in his house and uh just underneath where he was sleeping and we we'd have we were protecting him and ComEd had a price on his head so uh we were intimately next to William Casey there and in his office and when we were driving in the motor cave and none of us knew that Casey had done an operation to kill a suspected Imam by planting a Car Bomb outside the mosque and uh setting it on a timer well the Imam that they that they claimed was a terrorist came out near the car bomb but one of his patrons said asked him a question so the imom turned around to go back but the timer was already set bomb went off killed 64 women and girls at the girls school and it turns out it was the wrong Imam well Casey was doing that we we were living in his house we didn't know cuz we weren't up in that 20% that's what I'm talking about that's where the Ness is and when thank God Bobby Kennedy's in there now and I hope the Trump Administration now will start hacking away at that top 20% and in in Twilight of the Shadow government we call I call me and Ken for reform of the CIA and removal of that covert operational power that it has to conceal its what it's doing through secrecy I'll tell you one thing the last Kenedy that wanted to shatter the CIA did not live a tell about it they are they are in extreme danger not just in in the United United States but from Global Powers both both Donald Trump and Bobby Kennedy without question and it's I think it it really is waking up the masses to this so people understand this and don't think that these events are random that offers protection to them in many ways knowing that like that you're not going to run the same operation Mockingbird and try to tell us that a random person tried to shoot Donald Trump like we are going to speak about the truth and you always know when you really have a right to the truth because of the way the media attacks you and the way that I've seen the media once I started getting interested in this and the media attacking me oh got I'm banned from Australia like I've never committed a crime in my life how do you get banned from a country youve never committed a crime in your life like I'm on and I'm on the adl's list and I'm going okay it's because I'm telling the truth and when you start speaking real truth to power of course the mocking birds don't like it they are sent down to try to destroy intentionally especially you because you're coming out with the truth unvarnished and there's no question about that and of course they done the same thing with me conspiracy theorist Rogue CIA employee paranoid totally crazy we worked with them for years thought he was so intelligent that he was a part of the 2% but now he's a wacko yeah but now he's a rogue wacko you know you expect that and you know we should consider that a badge of honor I do and that's why look I even put it on like conspiracy theorist just on my I sell it I couldn't care less I'm like yep you got me I know that you created the term and we're going to go ahead and embrace that because we know exactly what you're up to okay so now we have to do this thing and I'm going to ask you and by the way this we're not reporting this to be fact But like after I spoke to Judge Joe Brown about MLK and he was he was the judge in the case and he was then being attacked by the they shot into his house 15 times crazy for him to be telling the background of that and he was like this is how they killed him the FBI killed him here's the gun they used they kept the guns it was incredible to hear him say it was on the show but now we're going to go back in time and I'm going to ask you who you think did each of these huge events okay mhm the killing of MLK Jr we are told that it was this random guy who happened to have a p a couple of extra passports on him that day yeah is he the murderer of MLK Jr no that was a CI operation because they considered him a dangerous communist and but the FBI was bugging the in churches where he was giving some of his speeches and churches they were bugging the podiums and following him around he was a top Target uh for elimination so uh and and what what the CIA does CIA spe specifically and sometimes the FBI there's always a boogeyman there's always one person well this person did Osama Bin Laden did it so let's move on we got him so it's over you know they always have one person that's that's their MO that's a scapegoat we got them the whole operation is over we solved it now forget about it and and that was the case with with Martin Luther King same Mo they Ed that same Mo over and over and over Timothy McVey he was the only one about that Timothy McVey yeah he was MK Ultra and there were other bombs in the building that that were reported initially and then deleted from the media coverage and on and on and on we go okay JFK we are told told that this guy just shot him and then another guy heroically shot the guy who shot the guy and then as you learn in the chaos book was visited by um Jolly West while he was in prison and then he was suddenly insane the next day when the judge saw him who was involved do you believe this the official storyline of how JFK was killed absolutely not uh for starters uh is have you read the book The Secret team by Fletcher proudy oh I would recommend that book to everybody Fletcher proud had high level access in Department of Defense and and CIA tickets but they forgot to get him to sign a non-disclosure agreement so when he saw all this how they played played all these things he came out and he wrote The Secret team and in the secret team is his witness account of the JFK assassination and there was a a well-known CIA operator from Vietnam up until that point named Edward Lansdale and there's a photograph of of the three mysterious men being walked by the sheriff in front of the The Book Depository and walking by them as one of them smiled was Edward Lansdale well-known CI operative and proud he proud he worked with him he knew him he knew what he looked from behind he knew about the ring on his finger and he identified Lansdale as a CI operative uh George Bush made this mysterious phone call that day claiming that he was in he was in Dallas now George HW Bush longtime CI operative although he tried to tried to deny he all the way go going all the way back to Cuban Missile Crisis he was a CI operative when he was president CI in the White House AKA Iran coner and then they promoted him uh so uh Edward Lansdale was there um there's no question about that bush called in and said I think something may happen today and I don't know I just wanted to warn you about it I'm in Wisconsin or wherever he said he was he was in Dallas Texas and phoning in a fake phone call that day um Oswald without question had been recruited by the CIA sent over Russia as to try to be a double agent then came back uh uh was he the only shooter absolutely not that c CI was then working with the mafia and and gfk had had fired Al Allan Dulles the devil incarnate as we've called him uh and Allan Dulles he fired alen dullas so Alan Dulles was having secret meetings with other CI officials that were now out of there how to get rid of JFK because he was his arch enemy he fired him this guy was a p power hungry director so they were having meetings on how to get rid of gfk JFK rather and so when uh the murder happened and the Waring commission was put together guess who was in charge of the Warren Commission Alan Dulles Alan Dulles who coached all the CI Witnesses what to say what not to say and forbade some of the others from even testifying at all they put the fox in charge of the hen house uh I mean come on and then the questions they asked as you know were just absolutely ridiculous so yeah I think that was a CI hit and they may have employed some Mafia connections to carry it out because that was their Mafia assassination progr exactly and LBJ was very involved in all that in Dallas and soil he was an evil man I I believe he knew that he was going to get shot because they wanted him in the position because they wanted to go to war every single time when they when they decided they want War and what did LBJ do Henry Kissinger that they just went to town Vietnam uh went to town in Cambodia I mean they just they just didn't stop the murder of Americans not realizing that this is how things work okay about Pearl Harbor Pearl Harbor uh Admiral Ace Lions I don't know if you've heard of Admiral Ace Lions I had a a uh radio progam program called the intelligence hour several years ago and Ace had become a friend of mine because we were working on exposing Benghazi and Ace Lions was commander of the Pacific Fleet back during that time and I asked Ace Lions about Pearl Harbor and he goes I am still angry to this day and I said why he goes because they knew the attack was coming was coming they knew where it was going to happen to Pearl Harbor and when and they they told no one and they let it happen on purpose that that's from the commander of the Pacific Fleet I would say that's a pretty pretty credible witness so yeah that that was a false they admitted that they admitted they had the they heard it was going to happen and you know how else were you going to get Americans to be on the side of this war that had nothing to do with us you know ex exactly and it's that thato is repeated on and on and on and on and up up through Iraq where the Pentagon even had the Pentagon analyst program and they were going on Fox News and all these generals that were recruited in this in this propaganda effort going on pushing the Iraq War you remember on Fox News and others they're these generals on promoting that was a propaganda operation by the Department of Defense called The Pentagon analist program so uh this is why you have to learn about Sigman Freud and then behind him Edward bernes and learn about the World War II propaganda make people every day just see Germans as the enemy enemy enemy then we have this big event happen and the boys sign up and they go to war and they get killed and it's it is it is the exact same thing every time you know remarkable intelligence failure now we're being dropped in because we have a right to defend ourselves it we must get involved now with this war that has nothing to do with us and now we're in the Middle East which is nowhere near us but we're and so which brings us to 911 your opinion my opinion as a criminal investigator as a former CI officer uh 911 was not the act of a bunch of uh poorly flight trained terrorists that executed an unbelievably meticulous uh um piloting of those aircraft even even Pilots there's Pilots for 911 truth now and they say we could not have done that experience Pilots could not have made those Maneuvers not possible uh and then we go to the passport issue and we go to the tower 7 which was a control demolition obv you talk to any structural engineer and and and I I have well that was a controlled demolition I mean it was perfect um and then uh you look at the facts that just don't add up and the facts that were left out of the 9911 commission report and then the ridiculous claims they made the lack of airport a air airplane Parts excuse me no landing gear no no engines which we talked about so all of that put together and the fact I think George W bush blacked out I think it was 40 pages of the 911 report dealing with Saudi Arabia and the report came out the 911 Commission report came out but those pages were blacked out and he refused to unreact them so what wait a minute this report was supposed to be for the American people on what happened and you blacked all these Pages out what in the world I do not think that it was a bunch of un poorly trained or untrained terrorists that did it I think there was another source behind it I think it was intentional and I'm going just from a a criminal invest investigative perspective just looking at the evidence what evidence we have uh that that was an intentional act and it would fall right into Theo that you and I are talking about horrible event because human life does not matter to the shadow government deep state or especially the CIA it does not matter their pawns on their chessboard they don't care that 3,000 people were horribly killed that day but it achieved the aim of gutting the US Constitution bringing in the horrific Patriot Act giving the CIA Unthinkable Authority for secret prison prisons and torture Beyond water boarding and and uh uh secret Renditions and all of that the FBI the ability to to uh spy on Americans came out of the Patriot Act so it was the perfect National Security State uh um Energizer that the Patriot Act was and 70 of the congressman 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Trump and recognizing that if you're talking about coming up against the State the Deep state is is quite the enemy to come up against because they have killed presidents in my view and they they will kill as many Americans as it takes to retain their power uh and I I think we have the right team to do it I think even having it be Kennedy with the history of the kennedies and Trump and his ability to just keep going REM it is remarkable that we we really do have this chance and at the same time people waking up to what the mainstream media is so operation mocking is failing yes which for the first time it doesn't work anymore so they can keep that operation going it's good it's good for bus for me that's right it is it is I mean it's so encouraging yeah it is it's very encouraging and so now you can hear them starting to have the conversation of we've got to get a handle on these podcasters with their misinformation and let go ahead make our day make our day because the people are awake okay give everybody the name of your book and where exactly they can find it guys this is a must read you absolutely must read this book it it's called Twilight of the Shadow government how transparency will kill the Deep state I wrote it at some risk because the CI blacked out redacted information in my last book from the company Shadows that was unclassified violation of executive order 12356 it's a felony and so I knew that in this book they were going to either redact the majority of the revelations that that we write about or sit on it for a couple of years so I gave it to the CIA and let them have it for three months there's an old law that said they have to get it back to you in 30 days they'd never abide by that based on constitutional freedom of speech but never AB by that so I let them sit on up for three months and after three months Kent hecken LLY my courageous co-writer uh we said all right I they asked me for approval can we send it to the public publisher and I said do it so we sent it to Sky hor and published it before the CIA approved it and it's the only way I could get this out I took some personal risk which I'm glad to do because it's so important we don't know what the CI is going to do whether they're going to try to take my royalties from the book which they usually try to do I mean I I've already been threatened poisoned broken into it's like whatever you know uh but someone had to take the risk to do that finally to expose what the CIA is where can people go to support you aside from buying the book like is there anywhere people can go to Just support you in general because I just think that when you see someone like this who's actually actually it's funny that you say sky horse published it because when my publish when uh my producer first said you want to get this guy on I instantly went okay is this going to be a limited hangout limited hangout is when like you know what I'm talking about the CIA allows people in the sawy Wasing said no this that they like the Publishers will not his book and he to go to a more independent type of publisher because I'm dealing with that same thing they won't they're not I'm not allowed to publish my book anywhere even though I had a New York Times top selling first book they basically go oh no no no no this girl can't be published anymore so when I saw that I said no this guy's the real deal they're obviously closing doors on him intentionally and I violated my NDA and no see officers have done that we got to support you and we got to make sure people know your name know what you're doing so anything shady happens to this guy we all know who did it but where can people just go to support you in general well there's my YouTube channel Kevin ship one and and most of my videos there are free I'm on Twitter now X it's Kevin ship and I post things about this regularly uh or they can find me through skyhorse um uh and the the book Twilight of the shadow of government is a mission for me I don't know if I'm going to be able to keep my royalties I have some if not please start a go not a GoFundMe give send go yeah and the Christian company give s go and we will support you because we are I'm like you know we are and it's it's just funny that you're Christian because I have just felt this is the Christ is King year and Christ is is truth the way you you must just follow the truth and be willing to face the consequences I have done that this year and it's just funny to hear your background story oh my life got saved because people were praying over me I left the CIA because a woman randomly said do you know about Jesus Christ and here you are and you realize why they why why you were saved when you were young yes why you were chosen to go through CIA you weren't chosen by the CIA I believe you chosen by the Lord to do that and because he wanted you to see it upfront so that you could have you know the you would be able to speak to the public about what we are actually confronting and you have survived the poison I mean you've got like a lot of lives going on here cat yeah and so in every capacity that we can support people like this you guys I am like we've got to do it this is what the people that are just trying to tell the truth so if you do start s go if they try to take your royalties please email us we will be the first people to be like and that's what I've done I've been I'm knocked off of uh YouTube I can't make any money on YouTube and so we turn to locals and people $1 a month $ month the people are doing this we exist because of the people it's the best way I don't care about the Publishers I don't care about any of that stuff because the only way to do it we are creating a network of people that know that Christ is King and that the truth wins in the end and uh we just have to keep going my wife Sue has set up a GoFundMe page so we'll see what happens go to give send go please okay I'll do that tell her to go to give send go and if you send it to us we will um tell people to support you guys and they will trust me my audience they're hardcore awesome they don't care what the media says they actually like it like I said if the media calls you a conspiracy theorist they're like we can trust them and we you know they probably will come after my royalties I we I know that in advance whether they're going to try to say there's something classified in this book let's get him for that well I was a classifying Authority I know what's classified and what's not uh they can try to make that accusation I don't think they will because uh there is the possibility they don't want publicity for this book because no CI officer has ever done this before and it does not make them look good so we'll see we'll see what happens ladies and gentlemen we are going to include the link to his book below we're going to hope and pray that the they don't take his royalties but if they do who cares because we are we are bigger than the CIA we are that is the reality there's more of us than there are of them and hopefully there are some CIA agents watching this that are getting the clue here like you know you're working for people that don't really care about you so why don't you join join the people join the freedom join the truth movement Kevin I cannot tell you it has been such an honor to have you like these are the conversations that just enrich me enrich my audience help us to learn and grow and remind people that the truth team is winning right I really do believe yeah yeah than for much [Music]