Pablo Escobar never forgave us for the k***** of his cousin A bandit is not the one who pulls the trigger a bandit is the one who works with his head How many people do you think you have k****? There comes a time when you lose track But what moment, I can't even explain it There were about 10 car bombs, 10 to 15 on a daily basis The things he caused and that he did, in my opinion he had no right to be walking the same earth as we are If they had told me I would meet the person in this photo I would never have believed it No, not Pablo Escobar who has just been captured and k**** here this is actually the roof where he was k**** But Steve Murphy, the special agent of the "DEA" who sacrificed his whole life to hunt down the greatest drug trafficker in history I still get hate mail on social media You have haters I got one message that said they hope my children develop cancer and die a slow, painful death You know, there's just still a lot of people that idolize him And soon I will also speak with a great friend of Pablo who even helped him during one of his escapes This is the road he took to escape from the police when they came to arrest him And especially with a h***** who k**** dozens and dozens of people on behalf of "El Patron", the king of drug trafficking I mean, if you pull out a gun and don't k*** me you're dead During the last crazy trip to America I asked Giacomo why he had a mustache and he answered me that it was in honor of the protagonists of "Narcos" I had never seen it and so in our free time, we started watching the series, and then watching it I thought "It would be interesting to interview the protagonists." And that's exactly what, incredibly we are going to do now Life is beautiful The "Netflix" series, you’ve probably all seen it It was nominated for the "Golden Globes" it enjoyed unprecedented international success and made Pablo Escobar's figure known to the few who still didn’t know him Plata o plomo But the real question is Did things really go as we were told? We were hired by "Netflix" as consultants We told them the truth and then they did whatever they wanted to do "Narcos" is justifiably an entertainment series and, by its very nature it has the right to take a series of poetic liberties to make the story more exciting for the TV audience We are narcos and we have honor To hell with your honor My goal, instead was to meet all the people who had orbited around the figure of Pablo Escobar to learn his real story Pablo Escobar k***** 50,000 people a lot of police officers, the bounties I mean, I went to a lot of funerals That's just one case, 137 cops Narcotic, regular investigation you go after them you seize their houses, businesses, ranches They go to prison for 15, 20 years Life goes on, but not Pablo Pablo was the revenge And if he could have k***** us he would have k***** us in a heartbeat You know, he was trying to For those who don’t know him Javier Peña was one of the key figures in the capture of Pablo Escobar so much so that he became one of the protagonists of "Narcos" The number one question I get asked is "Did I have all those sex affairs with women?" I said: "Of course I did!" Our first character was born and raised in Texas starting his career in law enforcement as a local police officer Just after turning 30, he applied to join the "DEA" I applied for it It took about a year, and then I got selected And I applied for Mexico "DEA" made a mistake, and they.. I got assigned to Colombia "DEA" stands for "Drug Enforcement Administration" and is a government agency created in the 70s thanks to President Richard Nixon specifically to combat drug trafficking in the United States I really wanted to go see what the real traffickers look like, how they think, how they work Needless to say, a few years after its birth all the forces of the "DEA" and thus also Javier's concentrated almost exclusively on fighting Pablo Escobar and his organization Yo busco la paz y siempre he predicado la paz y he anhelado la paz But his life was much more complex and layered than it seems The thing is that the story of Pablo Escobar is very controversial some love him, others hate him And it certainly doesn’t start in the late '80s when the "DEA" turns him into their most wanted man Pablo Escobar Gaviria has not been found yet The armed forces and security agencies continue their search Pablo Emilio Escobar Gaviria was born on December 1, 1949, in Rio Negro, Colombia in a normal family of farmers and teachers When I got to Colombia, I had never heard of Pablo Escobar So I started learning everything I could about him In the 70s, as a young and ambitious street criminal he became first an intermediary in m******* smuggling and, eventually, in c*****, a substance that would radically change his career But can you assure me that your money has never been linked to drug trafficking? I’ve always assured that my money has no links to drug trafficking With the increased demand from the United States Pablo saw the opportunity to get rich thanks to the white powder He began building hidden labs in the Colombian jungle giving life to his personal organization the famous Medellín Cartel Every case that I worked in Colombia the c***** came from the Medellín cartel You’d think that, in the following decade his cartel became so powerful that it controlled 80% of the c***** trafficking in the entire United States, bringing him an estimated half a billion dollars a week A national magazine calculates his fortune at 5 billion dollars Is this true? That seems like a figure you only see in the stories of "One Thousand and One Nights." The story of Pablo Escobar, however is complex for other reasons beyond the enormous wealth and immense power he managed to obtain The first is that his entire story is full of twists and turns The first week I was in Bogotá is when Pablo surrendered I thought it was a good thing You know the world's biggest c****** manufacturing distributor is in prison His so-called prison, which was not a prison The one he built There, where you see that house, in those pines was one of the first bases where at least 100 hitmen were kept so that people who went up the road no one could go up without his orders The second is that no one had that kind of organization in the context of drug trafficking My role was as a bodyguard, I had several tasks In the Medellín Cartel we all had very different tasks The only thing Pablo Escobar demanded was loyalty And the third is that "El Patron" one of the nicknames he was called used part of his income to win the trust of the people building houses for the poor, sports facilities This area here used to be like this and Pablo turned it into this And even giving money to the less fortunate They say he was a very horrible hitman but to us, it doesn’t cost anything, he helped us And when you arrive in Colombia, you immediately understand like, the importance of Pablo? At this time, he was big, but he wasn’t that big It was not until about 1989 that we started seeing his full potential his full organization that was built on terrorism In fact, we call Pablo Escobar the inventor of narco-terrorism The term was indeed coined in the '80s with Pablo Escobar following bombings, murders, and kidnappings aimed at maintaining power and protecting the cartel's profits These guys were ruthless Pablo would give him orders and they would volunteer to k*** people When you get into the circle of this organization the first thing they ask you is if you think you're ready to belong to the organization because once you join the organization there’s no way out, and any mistake you make if you don’t pay for it, your family will I had never even heard the word "sicario" before And then all of a sudden, I'm starting to hear "Hey, he has 'sicarios'." The term "sicario" comes from the Latin "sicarius" which in turn comes from "sica" a word referring to a type of dagger often used for stealthy murders in Ancient Rome Today we define sicarios as contract killers as if it were any job where someone is taken out in exchange for payment During my travels, I’ve also met murderers who told me a bit about themselves and their activities but I had never met a "professional" sicario or rather, until now It doesn’t even seem real but.. "Vamos pa' Colombia!" A few days later, we actually flew to Colombia to meet our contact in the world of drug trafficking in South America We’re in Medellín! Expectations were high because he was going to introduce us to a sicario who according to him, had worked for Pablo Escobar We’re ready to go see what happens to meet our Colombian friends By the way, it's also the first time we’re going out in Medellín, and it’s... Night Obviously, going out at night was the one thing the hotel staff advised us not to do the ones at the hotel The meeting point was a bar hidden a few minutes by car from our hotel Here we are, now we dance But we had no idea who we were going to meet Besides the fact that they’re looking at us like we have a target on our heads And no sooner said than done.. ¿Quieren 1 gramo? No, no, no, we’re waiting for a friend They're waiting for a friend Are they waiting for M******? Yes And having no other options, while we wait we sit at the table with them I don’t speak much Spanish A friend of mine who worked with Pablo is the owner of this business and also of this neighborhood Bathroom break, but just to say.. My God, what a crazy situation we’ve ended up in This guy has the number on WhatsApp of Escobar's brother but we’ll get to that In the meantime, she is ******, our contact He who is coming and we’re going to introduce you to he also spent time in prison in the United States Maybe he served his sentence and got out then he came here to Medellín So, is he a former sicario or still active? Is the gentleman still involved in...? Yes, he will always be part of some organization, always The meeting, though, is really complicated especially to organize, since our friend besides being somewhat elusive in the previous weeks also kept us waiting We’ve been here for three hours waiting for the "boss of bosses" He, being an important person they usually never arrive on time anywhere for security reasons But fortunately, literally at dawn the next day.. He should have just arrived Alessandro! I worked for Pablo Escobar over here You worked a lot of time for him Yeah All my life Ok, I want to dig deeper, but not here I want to interview him at his house in a place where he feels comfortable telling his story And while we head to this undefined place we notice something crazy Unbelievable! It’s an armored car, and the police can’t stop him Nooo, the car with the police siren is crazy Everything you say outside, I hear it inside here Listen.. Why? Do you have an armored car? 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I worked in two of his largest labs called "Mamá Rosa" and "Burrolandia" When you get into these organizations you lose your fear of everything because you’re always in contact with death at all times But for Pablo, it wasn’t a problem because he had hundreds of guards spread all over the American and South American territories My role was as a bodyguard, I had several tasks and I had many difficult moments like when they were looking for us we had to hide under trees helicopters flying around looking for us all everyone with money and no place to buy a bottle of water or a piece of bread Like in all organizations there was indeed a sort of hierarchy that had to be strictly followed and which allowed the cartel operational efficiency and the protection of high-ranking members Escobar was at the top of the pyramid and made all the key decisions but he delegated specific tasks to a series of lieutenants and subordinates Loyalty weighs a lot You are the bandit of the neighborhood and he is your right hand And he will take on all your crimes out of loyalty And you: "Yes, it’s me." But back to the sicario How many people do you think you have k*****? There came a point when you lose track It practically becomes a habit I mean, it was quite a few.. More or less? 60-70 Hiring a sicario to k*** a specific target is certainly deplorable, but it’s a result of that context While convincing someone to k*** 70 people for you is something very different I was always surprised by the way he manipulated people the way he worked And I’ll give you an example I’m listening to Pablo Escobar on the phone we were trying to DF him and he's talking to his wife, Tata and while he's telling his wife he loves her in the background you hear a yell Pablo covers the phone turns around and tells the sicarios: "cover his mouth" so they're torturing a guy while talking to his wife and telling her how much he loves her Well, we, the ones who worked with him always had a very good image of him He was an honest person, he was a person who wanted to help everyone The only mistake Pablo made was getting into politics because Pablo didn't have an education Because we are not going to allow corrupt or backward politicians or inept elements in our lists So, when he got there and everything had been burned down he rebuilt the little houses, like for 40 families Well, and we told people that he's a really nice guy because Pablo Escobar was very handsome and young at that time Yes? Yes One of the things we remember the most with him was, well in the times of "Hacienda Nápoles." The parties and the good times we had with him "Hacienda Nápoles" was the estate where Pablo Escobar lived But not only that It was a 20 square kilometer area that included luxurious structures attractions, and even a private zoo And it's a beautiful house But the property itself had realistic, life-like dinosaurs A dinosaur park "Hacienda Nápoles" was therefore a kind of luxury playground, meant to highlight the power of the Escobar family I met Pablo Escobar in both ways When there was no war or problems And when the problems came What happens is that Pablo Escobar to the world and many people has a reputation as a criminal No That’s not how people think Exactly like I told you, every person who came into contact with Pablo sees the story with different eyes You know that even his son with whom we managed to get in contact was categorical about one thing He would only participate in the documentary if Steve and Javier were not mentioned who, in his words are the real criminals in this story Criminals hiding behind badges Okay I don't believe a word that comes out of that man's mouth But let's go back to Javier and the cartel structure Pablo Escobar's best friend and the guy who ran his trafficking organization was a guy by the name of Gustavo Gaviria Him and Pablo were first cousins They grew up together Gustavo Gaviria was the brain of the Medellín cartel Pablo was the CEO And this serves to remind us that.. A bandit is not the one who pulls the trigger a bandit is the one who works with his head In this sense, Gustavo Gaviria was perhaps the worst Gustavo managed the logistical and financial operations of the c***** trade and was known for his intelligence and discretion Can you tell me something that for you was normal but thinking about it now, it's like crazy? What was normal when we were there.. Car bombs You would be scared, but it wouldn't be surprising For Escobar, any means were acceptable to get what he wanted even if it meant taking thousands of lives When we talk about Pablo Escobar, this is We estimated that he was responsible for 10, 15, maybe 20,000 murders One of his favorite hitmen, who was in prison with him they call him "Popeye," when he was interviewed on a show that.. He says the number is more like 50,000 That's a mass m****** And I'm curious to know your relationship with Steve is accurate the way it's described on the show on "Netflix"? I still haven't seen the show on "Netflix" I don't want to see it because I know the real truth I mean, I wasn't a dirty "DEA" agent Yeah, Steve and I never fought The series shows us pushing each other we're getting ready to get in a fist fight We've never even had an argument I mean, we might have differences of opinion but that was... that wasn't an argument I'm a very organized person Javier is the most unorganized person you've ever met But he's got a brain like an encyclopedia We complemented each other So, his strengths were my weaknesses and vice versa Javier then shows me an incredible poster made in his and Steve's honor Look, "Finally, he fell." Which means "finally, he's fallen," also the title of the last episode of the second season of the TV series Wow That's perfect A truly unique emotion So, guys, it's been a pleasure A pleasure for us Caution in Colombia Use your common sense, guys Yeah Yeah, because our journey doesn't stop here and, in fact Javier's house is just the first stop of a series of moves that will bring us closer to the reality of Pablo Escobar much, much closer If you go with someone who is respected in the neighborhood nothing will happen to you But if they see you're a foreigner in a neighborhood and they see you alone, they might rob you If they see you're from a very good family, they might kidnap you And now let's see what happens And I would say that, better than this, this series couldn't have started In the next episode.. When I was little, I didn't know At home, they told me my father had died A whistle "police" Two whistles "relax" "I prefer a grave in Colombia" "to a dungeon in the United States" I imagine Escobar in panic running through these little streets here We were tasked with bringing things to the woman, the food Wow, be careful