[Music] arms [Music] hi this is Dr Tom Rogers at the common sense MD coming to you with the weekly podcast today I want to talk about something that's controversial um somewhat and something that patients ask me all the time about an alternative treatment for cancers as you know we've made tremendous strides in treating heart disease cancers not as much so one thing I will tell you we're going to talk about fenbendazole otherwise known as Finn bin it's a treatment that um a lot of people are looking at for many different types of cancer in addition to the traditional types now I want to disclose that this is not medical advice that I'm giving through this podcast it's medical information you get medical advice when you come into my office or you see your own doctor so when it comes to cancer treatments you know you want to do everything you can to cure the cancer um and obviously I'm all for traditional treatments of cancers whether it be surgery chemo therapy radiation um but there's also additional treatments that may be helpful to you because I've seen it I've seen it in my practice I've read about it I've researched it and I think if you use a combination approach certainly unless you have something very straightforward that's easily curable say like by surgery then you should look into it at least especially if you've been giving a poor prognosis and or you know they say nothing is going to work then you ought to pull out all the stops in my opinion and again we we're talking about maybe cancer prevention as well I think it's we're very close to getting genetic testing that can predict what type of cancer that you may be very vulnerable to as a matter of fact they're out there already they're not covered by insurance but they're available so we'll be talking about more of those later on in future podcasts but in any event so let's talk about fembendazole a close relative of mobendazole which we use to treat pinworms in kids the thing about mobendazole the human medicine or at least human form of it it's very expensive so what's usually used in these cases are finbendazole which you may know as a dog dewormer it's kind of hilarious but it is a dog dewormer but you can get it over the counter it's very inexpensive and there's a lot of people that use it and get great results from it this drug has been around since 1974. it's used worldwide like I say it's over the counter it's inexpensive um it definitely kills parasites but it's also people think that it's very effective as an anti-cancer agent and I have seen it used in patients with good results with virtually no side effects and remember there's no medicine in the world that doesn't possibly have a side effect but this one's really really low but it's it's really been shown to be effective in causing regression of various tumor types also used in combination with other traditional approaches like chemotherapy and radiation it won't interfere with them um so you're talking about a repurposed drug you know in the last three years we've talked a lot about repurposed drugs that have worked um as a complementary anti-cancer medication it really appears to work in a very similar fashion to a lot of the chemotherapeutic drugs without the side effects or toxicity um however like anything repurposed drugs there's not a ton of human experiments with it there have been but there's nobody that's gonna because it's over the counter it's cheap there's there's no big Pharma company that's going to carry out double blind placebo-controlled trials on this thing so and you know plus you may not have the time to to have one of those run if you're dealing with cancer um now these are pills that you can get over the counter you can order them it has limited absorption in the gut so you have to take them with food as a matter of fact some people just take the capsule and sprinkle it over their food and eat it that way so the bio availability of this has definitely increased by eating food with it um under five percent of people will get a little stomach discomfort from it um if you took a higher dose of it like maybe a little loose stools now people with severe liver or kidney problems you have to you know they have lower excretion rates of any drug so you have to watch their liver function test and that's easy to do um so you watch that and if it does I haven't seen it do that but if it does you just stop it and it reverses within a couple weeks um the protocol um it can be varied most people have heard of this guy named Joe tippins who really got the ball rolling with fembendazole he was a guy who had metastatic small cancer of the lung and was told there was nothing they can do just go ahead and die but he was talking with a veterinarian friend of his and who had seen this work in some animals for cancer so he tried it and you know he's still cancer free I think this was back in 2017 that he took the medicine and he's still cancer free so with no evidence of any recurrences so the original protocol was to take this for three days and take four days off um and they didn't cause any problems um for prolonged use I mean you can use this thing indefinitely really because you don't develop a tolerance to it um it suggested that you do take some other things with it to increase the effectiveness of it milk thistles one curcumin's one CBD drops or another they seem to have concurrent effects with the fin Bend if you take them that way how does this stuff work that's really interesting you really get into a lot of chemistry with this but it really works it really cures a parasite by selectively blocking the synthesis of microtubules microtubules are part of the the structure of a cell that allows passes of things to get into the cell to do their work including chromosomes including cancer really cancer is a disease of mitosis mitosis is replication and as you know cancer cells just keep dividing and dividing and dividing very rapidly so what this does it it blocks these tubules selectively and stops mitosis or cell division kind of like taxol and vincristine do that are chemotherapeutic drugs so they found out that that's the way it kills the parasites but also exhibits a similar effect against cancer cells so the street turns out there's three main mechanisms that the fin bin works and one is by the induction of apoptosis which is program cell death and it works by cell cycle or rest just like we were talking about through these inhibition of these microtubules the second way it works is inhibition of glucose uptake in cancer cells malignant cells are known to have an enormous glucose uptake that's why I tell everybody that has cancer there's a couple things I would immediately do one I would go on a ketogenic diet the second one I think about getting some high doses of IV vitamin C personally but cancer cells consume glucose 200 times faster than ordinary cells if you heard the Warburg effect if you study cancer that's the aerobic glycolysis effect Um this can be seen on pet scans it's pretty obvious so fembendazole limits cancer cell fueling with Sugar by limiting this glucose uptake decreasing the amount of what's called glute Transporters which are canals that take the glucose into cancer cells from the blood like we've talked about an enzyme called hexokinase II is inhibited as well very important it helps those tumors to not divide rapidly and prevent sugar from getting in there the other thing it does is reactivation of something called a p53 gene this Gene is the strongest tumor suppressor in our bodies we don't have a lot of it but it really reactivates this p53 Gene that really helps decrease spread of cancer um the thing about it that's that's unique too is that cancer cells don't develop resistance to fembendazole like they can chemotherapeutic drugs um that means that it can be taken constantly and remain effective um one of the main mechanisms of chemo resistance in cancer cells is the adaptation of excretion of these anti-cancer drugs to the outside via special drug efflux pumps called P glycoproteins I know I'm getting deep in the woods here but bear with me so fembinazole is not a target for these P glycoproteins so it cannot be excreted out of the cancer cells so it's going to stay there it's going to fight the cancer cells now dosages again this is there are several ways you can do it but for active cancer you're going to need a dose of 444 milligrams daily now sometimes some people recommend you take one day off a week I think I would just take Sundays off um you're probably going to forget about it kind of like vitamins I recommend you take your vitamins six days a week um but again you're not supposed to develop tolerance of this but like anything I think it's probably a good idea so taking it for active cancer and cancer relapse prevention you want to take it daily you want to also take your cumin milk thistle and CBD you want to check an occasional liver function test which is dirt cheap easy to do in the office of any doctor now it may take one to four months for the therapy to begin showing results the treatment again can be combined with the majority of chemotherapeutic drugs radiation or surgery you need to follow the regimen even if cancer has significantly progressed because tumors tend to recur quickly if they're not treated especially a more malignant and uh the tougher ones but there's no reason to discontinue treatment um again it should be taken with food side effects are very uncommon again if you took excessive amounts of this stuff you could have a little diarrhea so you really don't need pauses um unless your liver enzymes go up if they do you take a two week break from it um it's thought that feminismol could also sensitize these tumors to radiation therapy making it more effective um so this Joe Tippin worked on several different protocols he's a pretty smart guy he's not a doctor but anyway there's a lot of smart people that aren't doctors believe me smarter probably but um you can prevent this cancer relapse so I continuing to take the medicine um but that you probably only need to take a 222 milligrams of this in that and repeat the cycle weekly now other people will take this especially those that have had genetic tests that know they're really prone to getting cancer they'll take the 222 milligram tablets and they'll take a capsule three times a week four days off they'll do this for 10 weeks and then 10 take 10 weeks off and that and continue that regimen indefinitely so that's that's one way they do it you know you can read about Joe Tippin's uh success story you can read a lot about it if you if you Google this thing or do your own research you can see a lot of success stories with it and again um I'm not really actively telling you to go do this if you have cancer but I'm just giving you information uh because a lot of people ask me about fembendazole so look at it you know obviously follow your doctors and your oncologist directions and this may be an additional treatment you could consider for your cancer there's another one that I'll just briefly mention that I would probably take two called artemisinin uh otherwise known as sweet wormwood this has been used in Chinese medicines for centuries it fights malaria fevers and inflammation and it's cheap it's non-toxic you don't develop resistance to it either and it's it's kind of just so well tolerated that you really don't have side effects from it um so anyway it works in a little different way than Finn bin does cancer cells rely on iron to spread and when iron and artemisinin enter a cancer cell together what happens is they form atoms called free radicals that kill cancer cells without harming the normal cells as a general principle it's about 400 to 800 milligrams a day for this and you can take this for at least six to 12 months with minimal adverse effects again long-term use I don't know about this past 12 months not sure about it but so look at look at these things if you are a friend or a loved one has cancer and they've been given a bad prognosis um you know they might want to consider this again and I'm not telling you to go do this I'm not necessarily advocating for it but just giving you information so I did test it out and I ordered some of this stuff just to see if I could get it in and how expensive it was and I came right in the mail Finn bin and liposomal artemisinin easy to get over the counter again there's protocols that are available but see your doctor first and certainly do the traditional route with your chemo and radiation or surgery if it's what's recommended by your oncologist your oncologist may or may not know much about these alternative treatments probably not but again this is your body and I don't see any harm in trying this in addition to the other treatments so I hope this helps with information on Finn bin and artemisinin I hope to see you soon it's Dr Rogers thank you 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