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Astrology for Self-Discovery

the astrology suggests as Einstein said God's not playing with dice it's not random there's an event that occurs there's a whole system around it and the stars are directly related to the karma that you have been handed from past lives I don't think there's a mystery anymore that there's a Continuum this is ancient science we just dropped in for almost 3 hours yesterday and I'm a Believer now I never thought I'd be here that session changed my life a really good astrology reading you should finish going I felt so understood and now I get it that's what astrology for essentially is to help you fall in love with you so you can get on with the movie cuz you can't get rid of you it doesn't go away there's a lot of people listening to this who spend way too much time alone and they don't feel connected mostly to themselves in their own chart what are you doing here why did you incarnate what is the purpose of incarnation if not to evolve to continually wake up inside the dream and then play the role of the joy maker of the lover of the manifestor of the artist you get to choose but we can't remember there is a 13 sign that was found but that's not the one I'm talking about I've not gone public with this this is new [Music] information well Deborah I anticipated starting this podcast saying I don't believe in astrology because that's how I've spent most of my life so I've heard and I think one of the reasons is is I've just never seen something that quite fit what you know just the average amateur I know your birth sign and I anticipate this or I do a Google Search and I see it and I'm like yeah I get a little bit of that but like it's much more complex than that and so it's never really fit me and I've also not understood the mechanism by which it would work although I did listen to a speech from Richard tarnis who explained that it was this co-arising in the cosmos and so that opened my mind a little bit but then to bring us to the present we just dropped in for almost 3 hours yesterday 2 and 1/2 hours good and I'm a Believer now I never thought I'd be here and so we're starting from a different place than I anticipated but uh I'd love to just first of all say thank you for that session yesterday because it wasn't just astrology it was like deep shamanic work and working with the elements and uh it was really beautiful really you know life-changing in many ways so first of all thank you and uh excited to you know speak to those people that may be like me and be like this is all a bunch of [ __ ] this is all the Barnum effect and people trying to apply things that are General to something specific enough reading a person and and then also go like a little deeper into some of the specifics and things that we've experienced and that's our itinerary for it's so funny because in true double Pisces fashion I'm writing a book that will be coming out in a year in 13 languages and the name of the book is I don't believe in astrology so you just nailed it so that is what I respond to is there's so many people and I understand the Skeptics because I was once a skeptic like how could it possibly be true and make it really specific for me to your point so I can feel it not just hear words and jargon because so much of the new age has all these words we go through these memes and we scroll and we listen to all the but when it t touches your heart and it's shamanic and it enters the body and there's a shift that takes place in a real concrete way that's the difference between talking about astrology and embodying astrology mhm yeah that's I think what it is and that's my it's my way of knowing like this is my epistemology how do I know what I know you know how do I like what's the process for me I have to feel it yes like it has to come inside my body and I have to feel it and that was the road that we crossed yesterday and once I've crossed that road there's no coming back like after I God it's not like I don't know about God I maybe I felt it this one time like oh no I know and then I'll feel it more times and more times of course confirm it but that's kind of the position that I'm in now it's like wow and also you know there's interesting things that we explored like me having no Earth sign in my chart at all and still exhibiting strong and manifesting a lot of Earth qualities right and so I think that was one of the reasons that I was like I don't know if I believe in this because there's complexities about myself that only with like the Master's touch and I know you would you know any like any Master you'd be like I'm just a student blah blah blah we get it but nonetheless that Master's eye was able to like bring me deeper into the chart to help me understand so the first book I wrote was called the missing element and when you're missing an element it doesn't mean you don't have it it means that you already did in a past life and this lifetime they said enough with that if we gave you too much Earth think of what you would have been like if they would have given you Earth so some people my best friend owns a Lumberyard she has no Earth in her chart but she works around wood all day so it doesn't mean when you're missing an element you don't have it it does mean it's a lesson it's a teaching you've either come in with an advanced version or you're suffering and learning at the beginning level so it's always extreme but in your case your Earth element I mean I was in awe I was writing it down writing all the things that you've accomplished I was like this guy has no Earth because God said don't give him anymore just think of how worked out you would been if you were a really grounded guy yeah it's true isn't it yeah that's a very interesting place to put all right so we have a couple things I want to talk about one is I want to go through the elements and give people who don't understand how the elements you know affect a person and what they really mean I want to talk about that and then I also want to take a step back because we just brought in this concept of reincarnation and part of the purpose of this which is the learning different lessons throughout this life and so first of all just to zoom out the furthest like what is your thoughts and feelings about and maybe known beliefs or just a nosis about how our souls incarnate and what the purpose of this life is I love that question I knew you know how when you do podcast people ask the same questions I knew you weren't going to do that you started with my favorite question I think there's a design said the astrologer the astrology suggests as Einstein said God's not playing with dice it's not random there's an event that occurs there's a whole system around it and the stars are directly related to the karma that you have been handed from s past lives I don't think there's a mystery anymore that there's a Continuum that there's a spiral that I mean if we have to debate that we're with the wrong audience I mean and and it's been like really conclusively shown in the University of Virginia's work on reincarnation people thousands of people who remember details of past lives that would be impossible unless was a continuity of Consciousness well the easiest version is the Tibetans because every time there's an incarnation of a rache especially at the highest level they tell their attendant where they're coming in their next life and there's been films made and documents very clear that they know what their name will be where they're going to be and even the Daly Lama is incarnated 13 times and tells his attendant next lifetime I'm coming I'll be raised in name the city tell them it's crazy so there's no mystery there but the better question is how does astrology dance with the karma of the last lifetime so all I can suggest and I none of this is from concrete evidence this is all my intuition that there is a promise that gets made based on the chart which I can look at yours and say you promised this life you would do relationship that your area of expertise Saturn's in Libra so I can look at one indicator on the chart to give me information about what was the agreement and now I can't tell you how to go backwards and tell you what you did in past lives but I can tell you in this lifetime that was your promise yeah that you would rewrite and update the notion of the of matriarchy or what is that called marriage in classical terms that you were going to and I know this is a controversial topic we addressed but that's part of your promise and everyone has one you can look at the chart and say by looking at where Saturn is what was the promise this person made now that's very simple astrology I just simplified it right and I make astrology simple because I'm answering the question you're asking what are you doing here like why did you incarnate what is the purpose of incarnation if not to evolve to continually wake up inside the dream and then play the role of the joy maker of the lover of the manifestor of the artist of the Bea like you get to choose but we can't remember you know what's interesting is so that was a big piece that came out was that you know one of my soul's promises was to reand and reimagine relationship and you know really bring forth uh the future of what love and relationship yeah might look like right like and i' I've felt that you know and what's interesting is I had a transmission with a very powerful Medicine Woman Who went into a full trance and like made me bow my head she was in like full trance or in a medicine ceremony and I bowed my head and she like transmitted this journey of my soul's Evolution and what was very interesting is I saw all of these flashes of like lifetimes lived and it was like but it but it played out as almost like one story and the story was is that I was a lover and a Bard and I was like a poet and a Bard and a singer and a lover and then some bad people or bad dark Forces of some sort came and they killed my love and like burned my Village and then I became a warrior and then I became a warrior but I was so filled with vengeance and Wrath that I kept killing and killing and killing until I became like a monster like that guy well I mean hopefully that guy was a noble noble Samurai but I don't know I didn't I didn't see I didn't see inside that armor but he has dragons in a heart on there somewhere so that's true so maybe he was maybe he was a good maybe he was one of the good ones but the warrior so definitely the warrior but I extended Beyond it was like it wasn't just I got the revenge for the killer of my of my beloved I kept chasing down and burning down all the Villages of where he came it was like that like I it went dark and then the The Medicine Woman just purged just started vomiting and I started getting nauseous like purging that and then I saw myself make the turn recognized like this is too far and then saw myself now in the Reclamation of that lover but from this post- tragic lens of having gone through the Journey and so now you know seeing that like it's like I still have a lot of that warrior in me it's a part of my soul's path and but really it's about reclaiming the lover at a higher level wow that makes so much sense in our conversation yesterday the warrior stance to go for extremes and to fight without knowing that he's fighting for love Yeah that's the confusion in a that's Aries you have a very strong first house which is Aries and it's the warrior and he forgets why he's fighting he gets so caught in the energy and the chi and we all know people like this they've got a temper and there showoffs and they're loud and they're big and then you have to say like who are you showing off for until they realize it's for their soul to be the example of the warrior The Protector the provider yeah it's a real reframe so I see you doing that with male energy is rewriting the lover Libra opposite sign Aries with the strength of your character yeah that was a funny assignment you'd picked yeah well and I think the the beauty of it is cuz I can speak to the warrior because I've had I have enough of it in me where they can see like oh you know tat like I like I am that too you know like you and I like I see enough of myself and I can say and here's the path of the lover here's the path of like deepest deepest intimacy because reality is relationship right it's like this is certainly is in your chart this is what it is you have definitely an indicator in your chart with Jupiter and Saturn you had two planets standing next to each other in relationship one is the life lesson we talked about Saturn but right next with the same degree is a planet that's a 100 times the size of Earth it's Jupiter it's giant with sitting on your life lesson going you're going to do this big you're not going to and so publicly I mean you've had some real I can imagine even for me when we started I was like tell me about what you do in relationship and and as I heard your heart I was like okay I'm learning from you I'm adjusting what I thought was what I consider my norm and including yours and that is the nature of astrology it's accepting other people's realities with curiosity like I don't know how to do what you do I don't understand the nature of new relationship but I'm curious and this is what decides if we're going to evolve this life that's why this podcast is so popular how much can we listen and learn and ask questions and scratch our head and do plant medicine and make us nuts so we can re-evaluate our old thought processes that are stale yeah so you're really thank you and that's not an easy path no it's not an easy path there's nothing about you that's easy no I didn't Cho choose the easy way and I wouldn't I wouldn't have it that way you know I mean I wouldn't I wouldn't have it any other way like I I I know myself the best when I'm when I put myself up against a up against an adversary or obstacle or challenge or yes something where I have to rise to the occasion yes in the in the in the dold drums I can get lazy I can I can get addicted to the easy way I can start to lose my way and certainly you know some of that got highlighted as well it's like I was like ah you know I'm not addicted to I don't have an addictive personality because I can stop anything when I want which I can but I don't and you would called me right the [ __ ] out on that and I was like oh yeah I guess just being able to doesn't mean that I don't have an addic personality right right I think there's a real challenge right now on the planet for the people that don't live like you live on the edge with intensity they misinterpret what could be mundane or boring as unproductive or unsuccessful or they turn in on them like Aubrey Marcus does that what about me the ego gets triggered that side of the fence the people that are just doing ordinary life and took the mundane and made it beautiful and are just having a regular job do not underestimate the Soul's evolution in the presence of Simplicity on the other hand there's characters like you and me who have reached a certain level of public Acclaim that are out there looking like and we are taking a hard ball like we're playing right in the front edge we got the lights on us check this out yeah and neither one is better or worse but the confusion is our society values the ego with so much attention and so it should it certainly pays and it makes us interested and we watch movies and we watch football players we're like look at that and then back at the ranch they're sitting in the audience going what about me there's no difference the soul is evolving on its path based on the chart and yours is Big you that's Jupiter on your jup your Saturn your life lesson so giant you did it for all of us so thank you for being willing to be seen taking on the story line opening up our minds talking about when I grew up because I'm older than I look plant medicine was first of all there was no such thing as it was called drugs then yeah in the good old days and we were all secretive about it no one was allowed to go on a podcast and tell people like that iasa wasn't even a word in our vocabulary so I want to thank you because you're pioneering as you would in this chart in a big way to give us permission to get out of the old story yeah well well thank you for that acknowledgement you know and you do take a lot of arrows I remember 2010 I went on Joe Rogan's podcast and talked about my iasa Journeys and for about two months and and then for the next two years every third comment was like go back to the Jungle you [ __ ] hippie you [ __ ] druggy you know blah blah blah but what's funny is like yeah I don't get that anymore you know like culture has shifted and caught up and you know that was one of the reflections you had is like there's some aspect of me that has the blessing and and I don't take credit for these blessings and especially now that I know how much I've come in in my assignment like I'm getting continual blessings and assignment from the future from the future Mercury Aquarius really like that's that so explain what what that is in my chart so so in the chart there's different parts of our character the sun is our personal everybody knows her sun sign the Moon is our inner world it's at night and yours is in s which makes you funny and witty and sarcastic and then this particular topic is mercury how does the Mind work what's the nature of your thought process it's yours is in the future it's in Aquarius the most exalted position a memory that's really strong we talked about that a fasination with everything that's not normal like cannot stand following always three steps ahead of everyone wondering where everybody is why they aren't getting it so that's Mercury and Aquarius mine is the opposite mine's Mercury and Taurus I'm really slow honestly you can't tell by looking I has a long time for me to get something I have to like sit on it and listen you're like wait so I had to learn from me permission to really take things in and slowly and not think I was Dumb and you on the other hand have to not be arrogant and think that you're so smart right because your mind's going way past ours so this is the indicator Mercury simple and it's something that gets overrated we hear Mercury retrograde which you probably have poo pooed so did I sure I thought it was so stupid but we're in one right now and everything that could go wrong goes wrong my airplane was delayed your car tire blew whatever there's all these stupid and it's really true first I was like cuz I'm so practical like this AST I was like you this astrology [ __ ] come on too many back of magazines and too many people playing tricks and then after the years have gone by and I'm at decades and Decades of this Mercury is the planet that describes the thought process in yours is in the future it's an aquarius so it gives you the gift but it also gives you a curse because no one understands until we catch up so notice the zeist is now micro doing and psilocin it's all words that have become part of our public when I was growing up oh my secrets you couldn't tell people I was I made a list don't tell anyone of things I've never told anyone about my medicine and how I used medicine very particular like I don't have because I'm so grounded or I try to be that's not true I'm such a flake that I had to learn to ground and I practice it so I've really kept myself grounded cuz I'm really not I just really learned the practice of Earth for example but have been moments in my life major moments initiations I would say where I secretly went off and did medicine and do you have that list because you want to talk about them well I'm a little scared tell the truth um but I'm going to tell you one of the major ones I've not gone public with this this is new information I'm going to skip to probably the most significant one I was in my late 20s living in Hawaii and I had a friend who lived on the island who was native and he knew the whole Island and he loved to take Sil aside them we went hiking but I was too scared cuz I was like I just didn't trust myself so for months he took me all over the island doing this incredible in the waterfalls and being naked we were just friends we had the most amazing time and finally one day I got the clue I need to do the mushroom so he made a big pot a serious pot of tea it was during a new moon I was watching the Sun and Moon come together we were on a hill in the South part of kwaii and I swear to you and you'll believe me I Heard a Voice specifically talking to me out of the sky with me leaning back him sitting next to me and they said we're going to tell you your purpose that goes on first thing was they said you're here to teach people how to listen I was like listen and then they said it again and I screamed listen to what and then he said don't talk to them like that and I was like did you hear anything and he was like no but he was watching me having this whole conversation that was the first the second thing they told me was the planet was going through an initiation over this next hundred years and it was about the emotional body and how prone we were to being addicted and being anxious and being scared and that this whole emotional thing was going to have to be tamed I didn't get a directive but I got that and the third was this is the weird part and you must go have a child and I had made a decision never to have children and I said what and they were like right now and I was like with Harry you looked over to your naked friends but I was married at the time and his [ __ ] just Rose no no no you're making stuff up Mr Pisces this is no no it's not how it went oh that's my S I like your story yes but this is the truth is I was like they said no and then I was married at the time I went home my husband was in London called him from Hawaii and said we had made a pack that we weren't having children I said I did mushrooms and I heard a loud message to go have children and he was like well they didn't tell me we went back to London I went back we made love once I was pregnant wow so that was one of the most significant I don't tell people that story yeah fast forward this gets crazy when my son was turning 13 for his bar mitzvah I gave him the gift of an artist to come into his room and paint anything he wanted and he had this little Cove over his bed went and he chose to paint mushrooms he did this whole unbelievable moral mural with yeah I didn't I didn't tell him till years later like so point being that there's messages yes I couldn't tell people that story I did Listen and Obey and part of my series of stories is many times including my iasa journey that I don't often talk about I've only done it twice but it was a directive and clear and I use the medicine in these moments which I could make a note of to actually give me direction to follow and I didn't I remembered every single trip with messages so I always think less is more said the Elder Y and for some people like you you can manage to be in those worlds with so much comfort for me it's like seat belt on oh my God where are we going so I'm very cautious and I do recognize the power of the transparency between the worlds yeah how do we get on the other side of the Veil yeah if we don't use medicine it's thank you for sharing those stories like I appreciate that and uh you know I've had so many unbelievably powerful gifts and messages even very practical stuff like the this the reason this studio exists and I have the money to create it in all of this was because I built on it now on it was a hangover supplement company and then I went to do iasa for my first time and it was actually the the night of the second Journey so it's a series of three and the first one was crazy I've told these stories all many times but in that night of the second Journey it showed like the spirit of iwasa showed me that I had to Pivot and get rid of all of The Hangover supplements and switch over and put everything into alphab brain and showed me how to change my marketing like very very practical tangible things about exactly what I needed to do and if I did EX ly what it said like that would be the beating heart that would provide the resources for everything that I was going to build and create and sure enough like after that Journey you know several months later I followed directions and then you know on it was birth so I tell all these crazy stories about visions and battles with demons and all kinds of crazy things but there's also really really practical advice well it's so interesting because in your chart I told you this yesterday Neptune is the planet of drugs or Altered States it's at the very top of the chart when you were born in the house of the career that you would use medicine and it's sitting right next to your moon so your emotional body activates when you're on the medicine in a professional 10th house Capricorn see it's all jargon the short answer is that you're supposed to be serving medicine in the form of on it which I told you I've been taking for seven years yeah I had no idea it was you so funny and it has made such a difference and I think part of why I haven't aged and why I've been so healthy I know you told me your age and now was like what the you remember yeah 67 right I'm almost 70 yeah good memory see Mercury and Aquarius so yes in your chart you have no Earth but there is an indicator that the medicine speaks to you at a practical level because of the purpose right like your service to us is been echoed through your ability to hear manifest and then there's consequences people all think you're a little crazy and you've gone off the path and but it doesn't seem to bug you no no and I really really trust myself and I trust them and I and I trust myself to to fall and get back up I trust myself to go too far and go whoops like explored that boundary now I know it's a boundary but the part of my nature is I look at all the boundaries and I go maybe you know like someone says something and I go maybe and then I test it and sometimes I'll cross the boundary and it'll be nothing but broken glass and like and I'll be like oh [ __ ] like that was a good boundary you know hat tip to the people who made it and other times I'll look at something and I'll be like this is an old and stale you know dogmatic rule that actually needs to be updated this table needs to be flipped that's so double Pisces your function this life is to stretch and go past the boundaries but there and there's consequences yeah no doubt yeah and in the meantime you can't not not be you this is where astrology comes in like if I said you stop that you'd be like how am I going to not be myself right and everyone listening to this a personality type based on their chart that when given permission like you're this way they're so it's like a relief like someone just tell me it's okay that I'm all [ __ ] up I was going to write my new title for my new book you're [ __ ] up and I still like you but they wouldn't let me use it they wouldn't let me use it but it's just that that every chart says there's quirky quirks there's parts of your character that are really boundaries are an issue for double Pisces and knowing that naming it without judgment like letting that be that's your truth what a relief in saying yeah I have no boundaries what a loser I can't believe I I've made so many mistakes like you're supposed to you are supposed to make mistakes yeah and I certainly have and and I'm sure I continue continually will one of the things is we went through all of the different elements and I want you to talk about the elements but there was functions of the certain elements that actually needed to be brought into the Forefront to help me you know with certain levels of discernment in certain areas of discernment I'm very sharp and certain I'm very loose and flexible because of my lack of boundary kind of Nature and there was certain parts that I've also become aware that like oh [ __ ] like I need to I need to get some things together and and really discern and really create the the right next you know the next steps and pacing was a big topic for sure so go through the elements and you know we can talk about my story or talk about so in that book The Missing element there's no astrology in it at all I didn't bring it to you but in that book you figure out what your missing element is and then you read about that and you cultivate it so let me go through the four of them yeah so the first one which you are so good at immediately you moved right into it was water and water is the element that can sit silently feel their feelings I mean you had tears within minutes not everyone can do that yeah so that's the Pisces water is the element in all I can't I can't stop it my C My Cry percentage on podcasts is is embarrassingly high embarrassingly it doesn't surprise me it's your it's your soul the rising sign is your soul so your not only ego is Pisces the Sun sign's the ego but the rising sign or the ascendant is also Pisces so your ego and your soul are the same it's very unusual because you're double Pisces so therefore your emotional receptivity It's A Soulful urge you can't resist it yeah so water is the first element all the people out there who are sensitive and mushy and they want to stay home and they cuddle and they don't want to come out of the house and they just love being with their favorite people only and they love to get high and they love to be altered and they want to drink and any way to alter this reality to to take off the assault because they're so sensitive and they care so much that they tend to either cry a lot or they go into ice and they can't feel anymore and they get numb this happens to a lot of men with water so it creates as a kind of protective mechanism to the sensitivity it's embarrassing you're so good at it most people don't like to cry and for the first time I met you we were with Aaron Rogers at that big event in um Denver that big drug event yeah yeah map the maps conference so bad I should have said that the big Maps conference that I could believe I was at um and you were sitting in the front and you C I saw I thought this man's amazing you cried of a big audience yeah that's when I knew so that is an unusual response for a male or anyone to feel comfortable some people block it and it freezes and it becomes like a silted uncomfortable I don't want to be around people I'm embarrassed you you stepped over your embarrassment and the high road of water is psychic it's in it's mediumship it's going between the worlds it's being able to feel things without knowing how you know it's hearing voices it's having dreams it's a lot of what Pisces is all about the mystical magical realm that is not measured by this hard stuff so at the low level there self-conscious embarrassed and they don't tell anyone they can't figure out what their dreams mean they just want to get high and get out of here help and at the high level they're artists they're painters they're musicians they hear the tune because they can hear the celestial Tunes they can write they can inspire they write poetry their gift is so magical and they're lovers it is the lover it's the part of us that wants to get out of the physical world into the magical without all the words right like shut up already right yeah I mean that was a big that was also you know something that I've known as well but like love making for me is one of the greatest escapes you know obviously the medicine path and it's not just Escape there's so much information so much download but like for me like everything falls away when I make gone everything it's full merger it's Union you know or is a small death in French the end of the ego the release of the stupid ego trying to control exactly so that's the water isn't this great we're talking about sex and drugs this is water water is the Yum Yum factor it's the ability to be in the body and feel both pain or pleasure without resistance that's a high road yeah to be able to let that's why in iasa there's so many tears and people are throwing up that's water it's like purging get this stuff out of you and stop being so full of [ __ ] as I was goes okay we're done yeah and if you can't if you can't if you block yourself from feeling the pain you block yourself from feeling the pleasure yes you become numb and I've recognized that like numbness is the enemy you know i' I've known that for a long time for me cuz I've felt that well I could just get numb but then I can't actually feel the beauty of this life which is like really what I live for is the beauty of everything and the low level of water is addiction cuz we so want to get away we so want to escape we so want to go home to the Oneness as you call it or the union that we diminish our relationship with Earth which we'll get to in a minute so important to balance all four of them there's four wheels in a car there's four elements one element goes down the whole system goes off so you want to have water but not at the expense of any of the other we'll keep going yeah all right let's keep going so water nine months in a womb it's always the beginning of every cycle you wake up in the morning you brush your teeth you take a shower is always first thing at a party would you like me to drink first thing people say water always starts everything then we go to air the baby has the first breath and this is where communication came in this is in our process we actually went to Earth but I'm going to talk about air hold on let's do this right because we went through 4E yesterday and we went to Earth next but I'm going to take you to the Natural rhythm is first comes water n months and then comes the breath and this is consciousness so now we're talking and we're thinking and we're doing podcast and we're communicating and relationship and people and so interesting and who are we in love with and who aren't we and decisions and I'm so confused and I want to write it down I'm going to call my friend I change my mind I should call my friend no I can't remember what I said I need therapy I'm so confused did I write it down did I leave my keys somewhere I can't remember it's the unbelievable Airheads in the world at their worst who spin around and they're so interesting and I'm not going to say your wife has a lot of this and they talk a lot and they use their hands and they have creative ideas and they've got many many options and they change their mind they have a new idea and they want to hear your opinion yeah so they put the podcast on then another podcast and by the time they're done they can't remember what they said So at their worst they have too much intellectual appetite which makes the Mind spinny and they can get very confused and they say yes to everyone to be nice so they become the nice man and they become the one that's so socially graceful and so generous and so kind because they're seeking approval that's the level where the psychology at the truth of error is very decisive has a relationship to their emotional body water so they know what their intuition says and that's where their decisions are coming from right but if the water and the air aren't connected cuz the secretly water was hidden behind and now air is all dingy the wisdom is no no I'm listening to my message I'm paying attention to whatever I got my message from my meditation and now I'm going to speak to you from truth I'm going to use my words to be honest that was a big thing that kind of came through in the session was I left that and I was like the purity of aubess like the Purity and the Purity is truth it's just straight it's just the straight truth and I've always sought to be there but I can also I can also you know sometimes hold back a little bit of the truth I don't I'm not dishonest and I've never been a liar but you know I'll be selective and strategic but there's a pure Aubrey that isn't any of that that's just like this is exactly it and full love you know you don't have to be mean with the truth full love but full truth and like that's the full pure Aubrey that's that's the the air king that's right the air King needed needed to actually sit in rather than the air cortison who is just trying to please and trying to manage and and all of these getting indecisive and saying yes to what too many times exactly so the right use of error is the choice factor from a mind who is honest to your point that speaks truth and that has the ability to be authentic so they're speaking right out of their gut and out of their truth and those people we love to hear their stories and we love to hear their poems and we love to hear their words cuz they're just like soothing balm when words is are poetry and we're kind to each other and we really use the a relationship to be the the doorway to actually get closer and to bump and then get closer that's the high road of er the low road is I don't want to do relationship I'm sick of dating people are so stupid all those low-level air people that they just get really dippy and they're superficial and they're not real and you feel like they're faking it and they're all dressed up and they look so cute but they're not real that's the discrepancy is who's got their words of truth that are speaking from a deep place of knowing as compared to that whole social Med is the connection with the air and the water just making sure that that deep intuition the Soul's knowing is matching the words and that's why people meditate that's why they do medicine to keep in touch with the water when you get direction from the highest realm then the mind can make decisions but you have to know how to listen and you have to follow instructions you know and for the most part I have and then sometimes sometimes I haven't and we talked about that as well like I got a clear instruction to take 40 days and just be out on the land and in this purification of Aubrey and I've just been like yeah yeah yeah certainly I will certainly get to that at some point later and it's I've pushed it off for years years and now it's like hello I'm not and that was one of that's why the session yesterday was life-changing it was like okay there's no more put there's no more putting this off and that's what happens with clean air which is my gift this lifetime as a a therapist I have a master's in Clinical Psychology so I learned how to work with the psyche of somebody by using words to free them so if I ask the right questions and we engage at a really authentic level you're going to speak to yourself I was telling you what I designed that process for E4 was so people would tell themselves the truth so I didn't have to and that's good healthy a typically a people are like talking talking they have so many ideas and they change their mind you're so confused when someone speaks with clar it because they know their truth it's it's like what blue is like it's so hard to not listen and the words get strung together and you're like what she say like it's a tickling of the brain that comes from the deepest highest place not the ego doing the typical all the memes all the social media all the Instagram all that stuff is air and you can't remember it until it becomes your words right and that's what I really want to acknowledge your gift is your mercury in Aquarius is a rebel you can't follow and you keep sharing with us your process Mercury and Aquarius your error is not a follower and by the way you can't get error to stay still anyway it sneaks out of everywhere it's always wiggling your people are always wiggling and yours is rebellious but until you become obedient I love what you said when you're hearing a message and you didn't listen and then I had to tickle that out of you and then you were like telling yourself what are you doing yeah totally it was just like that yeah yeah clean air yeah it's like it's purifying that that Distortion that can get in the way cuz when you have a high faculty and competency in the air it's also it's a double-edged sword because you can justify anything and you can actually explain anything to anybody except for your truest highest self and you know we'll get to that in the fire you really called forward my highest self to to actually burn away and purify every other thought that wasn't there and boy did you show up as I expected yeah thank you thank you and and really because I'm not afraid of the truth and I'm not afraid of being wrong and I'm not attached to being if everyone could use fresh air like that and say out loud I don't want I'm okay with being wrong and I want to tell the truth and I'm not scared if people could use the ear to say to their Partners I feel like we're really not connect like just tell the truth I feel like we're really not connecting I feel like I really want to be honest with you I feel like I'm not being myself if people could use that language in really raw terms we'd all be so vulnerable and honest yeah I have uh it's interesting with the fit for service Community you know I'm leading a a class called romantically fit and the assignment for the class is a process that I've used with my partners called bring it to a 100 and it's a very kind of ceremonial conversation that and medicine can be involved or not it doesn't matter but you really take some deep breaths and know that you're going to bring all of the truth that were submerged you know all of fresh air yeah and just clear it all out and you know you have to really trust each other to be able to hold that and also maintain love and contact as you go through but it's the only thing that can bring that kind of radical Z that Union together is when you're able to show all of the parts of yourself even the little monsters and even the little hidden Parts you got to move all the veils of Shame aside and just express it like it is this is part of your charisma is you speak to things that many of us don't know how to speak to and then it gives us freedom to talk about it so that's the truth yeah all right moving on then we go to Earth and Earth is the practic so air is what university going to school going to high school learning your language being a little kid learning words it's all that first a is nine months in the womb then we spend like at least 18 to 24 years studying thinking studying thinking using the mind and then we come to Earth this is the element of practicality of money of ground of insurance of spreadsheets of Excel spreadsheets dealing with all the details the cleaning supplies at Costco think it's so funny people love to go to Costco and buy boxes of wind like let's just go buy a whole bunch of paper towel and wind decks that's a fun thing for an earth person practicality numbers order keeping things all as they should be being on time being responsible so it's the part in life the reason why this planet's called Earth it's not CU it's green it's actually a blue planet it should be called water down here like we're dealing with so much emotional content but it's it's Earth which means you've got to keep your [ __ ] together you got to pay the rent you got to pay your taxes you got make sure so this is the Practical realm and for some people easy they do it in their sleep I mean they really go to Costco for a date night for some people that's a nightmare like someone else cleaned this [ __ ] up I don't want to brush my teeth I don't want to wash I don't want to clean all this so it's a two different variations up and down high road low road and you had it's so interesting because you had no Earth but to our point we started with is god goddess said don't give them anymore cuz you're so good at it I was surprised but not surprised after I heard you tell the story of like what do you do so this is the realm where people either love their work they can't wait to get up in the morning and they're making money and they're sharing it or H I don't want to go to work I don't want to do the dishes I don't they complain Earth people at their worst complain a lot because they feel responsible they're the designated driver and the high road is they love service and they get results and they make all this money and then they get to buy presents for people and they do all this sharing and they love to share their money that's the high road so you can see the range of the elements right right yeah and it it's it's funny because I have you know both of the like so it's interesting my relationship with Earth because it's simultaneously one of the most challenging and uncomfortable aspects of me and also one of my also one of my great gifts super powers yeah it's really and that's and that's where I think the the complexity of this knowing that okay just because you don't have any Earth that and so in a in a kind of very superficial reading without knowing these deeper levels that you're talking about it might be like well this doesn't fit you know I've obviously accomplished plenty of stuff in Earth and I don't have any Earth so this is all [ __ ] but then understanding like oh no no these lessons I already had and so I'm actually calling on lessons that I've already learned from my soul's path and now I don't need anymore and this is not the lesson that I need to learn but I still get to bring those gifts forward in this Incarnation it's some people that inherit money this is an inheritance from past lives we always judge people people that are super rich like how did they do that and then there's people that are super poor that never get money no matter how much they work that's Karma it's karma on both ends and not a good or bad thing it's become very exciting because of my career having worked with celebrities throughout my lifetime watching people with lots of money and watching people that don't have money because I like to work with everyone and go sneak into their chart and and seeing it's to your point what level of Consciousness am I bringing based on my past how updated am I in the now to actually celebrate being on Earth because it's not easy right now this is the hard hardest time I think for the The Human Condition that with 8 billion there's never been 8 billion people here right and that radical interconnectivity and then all of the new technologies disrup and the sound and even right now I can hear vibration all the time right so it's not an easy time to be here and so how do we ground how do we take off our shoes I live in Hawaii half the year I spend a lot of time Barefoot and I spend a lot of time consciously choosing because I'm not grounded by Nature this was a what I want to say to people is if you're missing one of these elements you grow it so you came in inherited a lot of Earth from your own past lives I did not so I had to learn and it wasn't fun like ew who wants to do I would sit in these p&l I have this business and they'd have p&l meetings and I'd be like what and then I had to pretend like I knew what they were talking about and then I would ask my best friend who's very wealthy like you help and then he'd give me the right answer and I'd go call make a call and say what he said I'd written so it took me years to get good at it and I made a practice of it because my missing element was Earth and that's what you find out in the book so yours is not missing and there's very few people I'd say on this planet right now that are calmly grounded in their nervous system because the Earth element is so jacked up with so much change and so many people and this is one of my promises this lifetime as an elder how do I calm down my nervous system so I can calm down you which is what happened yesterday so I can sit next to you and put my hand on your your knee and let the energy ground cuz I'm grounded which did not come naturally if you would have seen the little Jewish Detroit girl being a cheerleader I was nuts I had so much energy I was a crazy girl I was a gymnast and a dancer and I went to University and studied dance I was like a like a bit like your wife I mean not I mean in the best way and then as years went by I was like I can't count on other people for money I have to ground myself I have to take my feet and put myself on this planet and cook and start cleaning it was so like ew and now I'm really good at it mhm I mean it wasn't natural and the Art of this game with the four elements once again four in the car the one that's missing fill it up yeah you have a very healthy relationship with all four it's not like you could not I mean really if you think about it yesterday yeah you were very comfortable and Earth even though was unfamiliar by your chart right it's something you came with almost too much M like you're saying yes you could just manifest and manifest and manifest and manifest and a lot of that is relying on you know both the gifts of water which is my ability to see and my ability to Intuit it and receive guidance from Beyond me you know and and so many of these different messages and gifts and blessings like I could you know people people love to say you know oh you know so you know must been nice growing up in a family that was wealthy well my dad lost his mind and went crazy before he ever even saw me be successful right like it was beautiful I had a beautiful relationship with my father and all my parents were gifted but people try to explain like oh the Great gifts you know it must have been you must have got money from his I never got any money from my parents right I mean they paid for my college which is a blessing of course but I made on it myself I borrowed money from you know got money from all the scraped together a little bit you know $110,000 buil that whole thing crazy story but the blessings really what they're not looking at if they want to say like wow you were really blessed well I'm really blessed by my ability to receive to listen like and that is a huge huge blessing also your a you're so good with people because you have all that air in your chart more air than any other element communicating and networking and talking and paying attention to what they say and asking qu you're very good at I mean I see it and you're this is why this podcast is so interesting because you ask such you're not normal let's start there in case anybody was wondering and part of that is your error like you ask out of thebox questions in your people skills added to that download coming is you can play the game at a very high level yeah and that's and that's so with that blessing I've always felt this immense responsibility and this responsibility is also one of the CH the blessings and the challenges right because I can feel so like I feel so blessed like so impossibly blessed and so impossibly grateful for the life I've been given but then I say okay in order to pay that back I got to give everything yeah I know I got to give everything and and give everything even at the cost of the cost of my own health and heart and well-being and and that's you know that's a challenge and that's where that the you know putting on the melut the kingship of of the heir the decision maker to say no you got to follow your own advice you got to become fit for service you can't just be all service you got to Nish yourself you were listening you were listening yeah for sure the answer yes so that's the error and then back to the Earth and then let's finish that was such an interesting conversation that was really what you just spoke to is how do we let ourselves stay true to ourselves and how do we call ourselves out when we know there's something in congruent it's a big one for a modern day civilization how do I stay honest that's all error how do I and I use therapists and best friends and my relationship to say tell me when I'm full of [ __ ] because I can't tell and that keeps me honest that's what a good therapist that's what happened yesterday like uh uh uh okay so that brings us to fire fire fire is the element where we get super blunt and we say [ __ ] and we're honest and we hit a drum in your case we were using a Rattle and we call in our our ancestors and our counsel and this shamanic it's very much medicine fire is when we're like okay I need help this is blunt and honest and honestly I'm not able to tell the truth for some reason or I feel blocked fire just wakes everybody up and gets everything going ding ding ding music loud getting drunk being blunt being funny um showing off getting on stage singing being able to grab the mic that's fire it's the courage to stand up stand out and be uninhibited which you and I both have a lot of um and then the low side of that is they're obnoxious their ego gets carried away they're super loud they need all the attention they're not easy to get close to because they're arrogant and they stand apart and you feel like they're you're not comfortable being with them because they're better than that's the low level of fire arrogance and a bit of like I'm the best CU they are and then the high level is are spiritually shamanic so they're doing all that remembering that it's not them that's doing it right when a highlevel being who's really visible and has gotten all kinds of acknowledgement can take off that mask of whatever the role is whoever we are I'm an astrologer this little Jewish girl from Detroit turns into an astrologer gets famous so they say and meanwhile underneath my fire and being totally honest is I don't know how that happened and it makes me laugh it's kind of fun I mean somehow by me being authentic and being energetic and being blunt and taking risks and going to graduate school and saying to them I want to study psychology and astrology they were like what did you just say those two words didn't go together in the 80s when I was in graduate school but I was fiery enough to go oh yes they do and watch this and then I studied you love this chronic mental patients chart I went to the hospitals in LA with chronic mental patients and I did all their charts to see was their correlation to mental illness and there was wow what did you find Uranus the plan that I I'm not even going to go there because it's there's too many people I can make reference to but it's the people that can't follow it all I'm not going to mention Aaron Rogers and they can't fit in they can't do a normal path they can't not say the thing they can't spill the beans they're Uranian they're individualistic they're Advanced they're ahead of us but they're strange so that was part of what I saw with mental illness back in the olden days uhhuh and that's so Uranus is also Neptune right so no their cousins they live next door so there's these outer planets you have a strong Neptune which is the other worlds and going between the worlds so Uranus what's the other name for Uranus uran there's there's these are the outer planets there's no other name there's oh wow Neptune Uranus and Pluto starts with Jupiter it starts with Jupiter Saturn Neptune Uranus and Pluto you think I would know this by now so no they're independent flavors they're they're independent archetypes and the Uranian archetype is very fiery by Nature it's loud and it's found get ready during the French Revolution when they were changing all the rules of the government Uranus is a personality type who says I am not gonna do was done before now you have shades of this but not like Aaron is it okay talk about him you have a very strong Neptune which is one of the places you and he connect Neptune is the planet that goes between the worlds that has the gift of channeling that knows how to be the poet that can bring in higher frequencies so there's different places and the last one is Pluto I'm just going to give you an astrology class Pluto is the furthest planet out we cannot see it it is was demoted by a group of astronomers that got together a hundred of them in a room and decided they were going to demote Pluto why this is about 20 years ago they didn't because Pluto rules the underbelly the unconscious it was found in 1930 they wanted to keep it in the shadow they wanted to keep it in the shadow and cut it off when Hitler and Freud and Einstein were all working with this invisible energy we had no name for at the time name the unconscious or nuclear energy but it's plutonian energy so those are the out I don't know how we got to this those are the three outer planets that have great influence on our planet and each person like I'm strongly sounds so funny I'm strongly Uranian I don't follow I couldn't be a therapist and I couldn't be an astrologer I've never Associated to one astrology group or one psychology group because my Uranus is so strong that I was like I'm not going to fit in when I start telling them what I'm doing I'm not doing proper astrology because I brought psychology to it and I'm not doing proper you know psychology because I have so much astrology in it so I got left out which was just fine with me yeah and that's the personality type that's fiery that's bold that stands apart and you have this as well where if you don't like it's okay and that can come off as arrogant and too self-confident and the secret of fire people is they're insecure CU they're like I'm going to get in trouble soon I just know it they wait to get in trouble someone's going to scream at me and get mad that's the low level and when the wisdom of the Fire gets cultivated which is what you're growing they're blunt and they're honest so when we sat together and you said oh no I don't have a problem I went excuse me that was fire like Aubrey and you Wen oh thanks yeah maybe there is something about overusing something and not having the choice Factor but who could say that to Aubrey Marcus a fiery well-trained astrologer because I've gotten to the point where I'm almost 70 so now I'm just free with my fire yeah and it's such a it's such a gift too and makes it so fun you know it's it's frustrating one of the things that's I think probably the most frustrating for me is because of maybe in myself if I get called out and it's true I'm like I'm Bound by this field of value to be like oh I I'm going to admit it and I'm not going to double down and double down on my own justification even though I could that's healthy fire you know even though I could I'm not going to and so when I when I have somebody who can do that it's just such a blessing when I can when someone can say something call me out or change my opinion radically you know where I like have a strong belief in something like you don't believe in astrology and now you do exactly exactly I'm like and and I've been public about my my skepticism about astrology and I can be like oh yeah I was wrong great I love that story and I think that's the you know it's something we don't see modeled in our leadership enough either you know I mean you're so right politicians are always just doubling down on their position and never never taking responsibility because people try to freeze you in your in your wrongness and then say you're wrong and so you'll never be right well we're all going to be wrong it's about how can you acknowledge when you're wrong and then adapt to that there's so little example in our eldership of how to use fire how to get angry how to be direct how to say I'm sorry how to say I was wrong like to be able to start using those skills in a heightened way is the job of everyone listening to this we are preparing for another generation the children that you guys are bringing in because I'm old the Next Generation behind us they're waiting and looking at their parents going are you guys going to get this right because so far we're not doing great based on the collective that's not to say that the medicine people are taking and the ability to alter the point of view of how do you tell the truth and say yeah you're right I'm wrong and sorry and I need your help and please help me those are things that fire people can't in Old stories couldn't say so there's not a lot of examples but one of my promises this lifetime was I want to get fire right I had my father was a great teacher my mother had a terrible temper she would throw things and so it would get really loud you can imagine and then he would just walk up to and say I'm going for a walk I'll be right back and he'd leave the house and then she would calm down and I thought well that's the wisest response when there's a fight when the war is about to occur drop your arms back it up take a breath but that takes a lot of courage or wisdom to know how to activate your fire to calm down when someone's right in your face yeah absolutely he' say why is there going to be two of us in this house looking like you that's great teacher a great story what about the element ether do you deal with this at all has this come in and is this like element so in my book that's coming out in April 2025 the last chapter is called the third 13th sign which I know you asked about there is a 13th sign that was found but that's not the one I'm talking about either is the worlds between the worlds ether is when time you're so good at this with your Venus at zero degrees I told you about this yesterday you have a access point of Genius in the Name of Love Venus in Pisces the highest love Christ Love In The House of Pisces like you are really here this lifetime embodying a very refined higher level of love that's your zero degrees that's so funny I just went off on that um do the question again I Had a Brain F 13th sign no wonder I did of course I did because the 13th sign is when you step out of time oh that was so fun I Did It lifetime it's when time stands still the 13th sign is what I call the Observer this is all my work this is what the session was yesterday come up and out with me look back over at Aubrey see his different characters and then check in with him who does he want to listen to like there's Freedom that happens once the observer's on so The Ether the 13th sign is where you stop you take a breath and you ask yourself like how awake am I right now where am I how is this going how is this podcast when when you stop time and you let yourself become aware of the 13th sign or The Ether or the zero degree where you're standing out that's where awareness is really excited oh good someone's home yeah now we have a breath this is you know the Greek words for like chronological time is Kronos and then the stepping outside of time is called chyos and chyos is another form of time it's timelessness it's the Timeless time it's the time in the other dimensions that are not bound HEB they call it Ein it's the Before Time exists where there's another Zone and some for some reason I like you have a fascination with the other worlds and I remember and it's funny to say this because I'm trying so hard to ground but I have this very fond memory of the place we go when we're in that calm place standing still in the eino before the form in that open space and it's not easy to get to and that's why drugs are so popular they like take me home remind me about that place but how do you do that while you're on Earth in the middle of doing the dishes with the microphone with the kid with the phone with the how do you stay in that present State that's the practice of what the real truth of the 13th sign is can I return to that place can I go to The Ether can I stop in the middle of making love when the energy is building this is Tantra but there's so few people that can stay awake at especially in the moment of death this is when the most my dear friend right now is leaving the world it's genius man I've known for so many years he's written and he's read all there is about near-death experiences the guy's a complete genius you would think on his way out he would calmly walk out but no he's in complete and total resistance shocking because when the human emotional body gets triggered and his daughters are in the room and he doesn't want to leave yeah instead of walking gracefully into the Ein into the 13th sign into the he's in pure resistance and that is the Dilemma of The Human Condition right now we're all in we're in a transition you know this all the people in your circle I've met today are all leaders in their own way of not following you draw them yeah you just they follow you around because they're like comfortable now they're weird and it feels normal right yeah I mean so much of there's so many wisdom Traditions who say that one of the goals of our life is to practice how to die you know so that we can make that transition you know with aess stay awake and that's the danger of drugs and that's the danger of indulgence and that's the danger of too much money it's the danger of falling asleep because you're so comfortable and you're having so much fun you can't wait to make love when you can stay still and be in the presence of this place raw without being filtered and it's really a minimalism practice I think less is more if people knew how to use the medicine and use the Altered States and use the ability to dream off and go on social media in moderation that's what we looked at yesterday pacing mhm and that's why I'm not aging normally because I've been pacing the whole time like slow down I don't know why everyone's in a rush it's confusing to me everybody's in a rush if you watch how we go through our day and we're looking at our watch and we got the time thing we feel like I'm on my way to the airport and I'm getting all like calm down Deborah I say to myself yeah take a breath yeah that's a hard one for me that's a that's a really hard one for me it always feels like everything is so urgent and needs to be done immediately and permission to know that time goes on forever in every direction that's the truth yeah and that once your awareness is on and you're honoring the 13th sign which is where we stand off the screen out of the character for a minute take a breath everything slows down but it's really fun when you're snuggled up with your dog or your baby or your best friend or your lover it's a lot easier to snuggle up and relax than when you're by yourself and that's one of the windows in this planet that's really suffering is loneliness and being alone here in the middle of room at a coffee shop in the middle of an airport that's the weirdest part who like that's what happened yesterday we really bonded we had a intimate exchange and that's what we're all longing for yeah who can see me and love me with all my funny parts right right and when you feel that it's it's Bliss it's Bliss you feel you feel like you're you're at home in the universe again and that's what astrology for on at the end of a good astrology reading a really good astrology reading you should finish going I felt so understood like that was and now I get it that's what astrology is for essentially is to help you fall in love with you so you can get on with the movie because you can't get rid of you haha it doesn't go away have you noticed yeah I mean this is this is our human you know and it's our only it's our responsibility to take care of it and your soul follows you around across all time yeah so the that story you told about that woman purging and that woman coming to you and seeing the pathways everyone that's watching this is going on a path right now and their souls being watched and they're being tracked and it's being recorded and when you get to the acostic records they'll say oh yeah remember when you and Deb did that podcast remember that night when you did that unbelievable fore and things that was written yeah one of the I I had a beautiful encounter with the Divine father energy and what I saw from that father was just this wrapped attention and just saying tell me more tell me more of your story like tell me more sweetheart and you know you think of fathers and so many fathers are so busy in their work and how's your day at school and mothers can be the same but how's your day at school not really paying attention not really caring not really listening but that wrapped attention of like tell me what's going on what are you feeling tell me about your story right and just knowing that the that God the universe the Divine father whatever you want to call it really cares in love with you is in love with you and and pays you full full attention and if you don't believe what Aubrey just said because you're different and nobody loves you you got to go do some therapy because God the truth is we're all lovable but there's a lot of people's internal dialogue will argue with you yeah the ego does not believe it's lovable right and we've been conditioned to not to really feel like we're bad you know in some way the original sin that we're born bad this is the entrance of my new book is the design faults like that's one of the biggest design faults why wouldn't the internal dialogue go you look so good you're doing so good I'm so proud of you like what if the internal dialogue was built on the operating system with a positive entrance to your day by your own soul talking to you this is like I make this [ __ ] up but anyways wouldn't it be amazing if the the operating system is was different and it's coming soon the kids that are being born now there are babies coming in who are awake and they're kind and they're teaching us and they're all over this planet yeah that you know that's one of the chapters of my new book that I'm working on that'll hopefully be out December 13th but that is about the children about no about how to retrain that voice so right now we all know the voice but we we always call it the judge or the inner critic because that's all it does right but the function of it is is a coach it's here to coach us and if we actually change its fundamental operating system like an actual coach there's coaches that we've had that all they do is criticize and it's all punishment it's all running suicides or [ __ ] Sprints and it's all it's all being it's all humiliation it's all fear and I had one of those coaches he's an [ __ ] and you know but and then my coach though was also the biggest [ __ ] of them all right like the hardest on me so so so hard and so when you have such a harsh critic that punishes you then just like if you have an overly harsh parent that punishes you too much you start to be dishonest what you absorb it and then that becomes your own inner voice but then you start to be dishonest to your parent because you don't want to get in trouble right you don't want to so you come up with a bunch of excuses so so many people are coming up with excuses and they're not actually being honest with them themselves because they have such a harsh critic and a judge that they actually are always justifying their actions and they're not actually saying like oh yeah that was [ __ ] up because they're going to get punished so severely that they can't admit that they're [ __ ] up and so but if you actually change that voice to be like all right it's okay you can do better and you'll learn and you'll get back up and I love you and keep going you're always going to fall and get back up so beautiful you know so like take the voice of the mother compassion yeah and take the voice of the father and allow that to be the coach allow that to be the voice it's constantly feeding you that different different information it's a it's an really really important practice yeah and that is what astrology is in essence is giving you back permission to see yourself Through The Eyes Of Love like you're a double Pisces of course you're a poet like why would you be self-conscious that you cry tell the kid the little kid you're allowed to cry and the kid goes as he grows up wow totally comfortable in his emotional body so his internal dialogue is different but you can be a new parent you can parent yourself that's what astrology is I feel like I'm a big giant mom yeah that's what I feel like like I really feel like that if I could just tell everyone just what you said that you're not a mistake no one pushed you on the bus you wanted to come here this was a volunteer position you were so excited to be here that there's 8 billion people standing in line going pick me pick me and then they picked your little kid coming out of you or you you yourself came out with that excitement and then you get down here you're like wait what what did I give me some medicine I can't remember thing and so the memory is a big part of what astrology is for activating the memory of the remembrance like Oh I'm a Gemini I came here to talk this life why am I self-conscious yeah I write that in my new book I was self-conscious that I talked sure so I stopped talking then I had to rein myself and go hold on where just like you yesterday like how where's my authentic voice I left behind and then I gave myself back to him look at me here we are talking and talking to just you know Circle back a little bit on on this universe and my teacher Mark GNE says something beautiful and the day of your birth is the day that God decided that it couldn't live without you oh that's so the day that God decided I just can't live without you sweetheart I can't live without you you know and if we really believe that from the start and we started telling our kids is like and on every birthday it's like remember son remember remember daughter this was the day that god or goddess decided that they couldn't live without you and that your story your story is part of the infinite tapestry of all of life and your unique story you don't have to you're not supposed to follow anyone else Weir the better chunk chunky chunk you're unique story you're here to be unique your DNA is unique your retinas your fingerprints your soul everything it's all unique God was having a party on that day when they made you they were like we got a good one here look at this chart this is the coolest chart this guy's going to come down there and be a poet and he's going to be able to get [ __ ] done and he's got this amazing access to the other worlds and relationship wow that's what he said she they were just sitting there together yeah it's a great chart thank you I really see in so many charts the divine nature that you're describing that isn't understood because we don't have a language right how do you distinguish some people aren't able to talk and they're nonverbal and they're really deeply quiet and at peace but they feel self-conscious because they don't think they have anything to say that's not true that's right there on the chart some people are athletic prowess they're unbelievably physical and some people are sitting down writing books for hours in a room and not moving that's what they're supposed to be doing so with the judgments and the non-comparable to celebrate God see through God's eyes that's my job yeah can you believe that they pay me to look at people's psyches and souls and describ to them what God was thinking right that's my job yeah how cool and I teach other people I have a whole slew of astrologers I've trained that are on my website that I do this game called matchmaking where you send me your chart and I go oh you would do good with this person and then they go off to that person that's cool I know I'm a Matchmaker that's cool I made the job up yeah so one aspect of astrology that I haven't gotten too much into but is the things that are happening as like in the collective so your birth chart interacts with whatever kind of collective phenomenon is going on as so as even if you're a Pisces if you're entering into Leo season or something so what is the effect of all of the different Cycles as each individual small question so let's just start with you when I sat down the first thing I said is Saturns and Pisces it's going to be there for another year once every 30 years Saturn goes into Pisces so you personally I can say you're in a very challenging time Saturn's asking you to get disciplined it's ask it's a very unusual moment so there's you now you're asking about the collective so eclipses just occurred and during eclipses they always come in full or new moons and they come in sandwiches there's two of them and during those eclipses between the two it's an intense moment in 1909 Einstein found relativity on an eclipse it was marked down it's it's typically a moment in time where something happens it's really unusual and you pay attention so people don't really know how to use eclipses it's an opportunity to put a flag in the sand and go this is the era that I'm gonna da most people just say oh there's an eclipse and we're all staring at the sky it's so funny to me like let's just all stare at the sky and we're so impressed because it's so cool but what does it mean said the so during the eclipses these last two was all about relationship about the relationship with self and the other it's this conversation you have Libra Aries how much am I myself and holding my own individuality and how much do I want to accommodate and please the other and stay in the romance without losing myself so this has been a song the last let's say the the last three or four months and there's a decision in there if someone wanted to use the eclipse I tend to leave it to other astrologers on YouTube and on Instagram and on Tik Tock to talk about these Trends because I get bored at a certain point they're talking I'm like honestly I understand the [ __ ] but I'm not that interested don't tell anyone I get in trouble but but so I tend to do very short if you go and see my Instagram or my um Tik toks they're just that day you know my whole thing is if we're being honest after this podcast is over how much are they going to remember oh wow Deborah had a baby because she was on mushrooms oh wow did you hear that story they had this encounter together and he finally talked about his drugs or some whatever that's called the medicine don't call it drugs um these are the things they're going to remember after this is over so too much information in my mind goes like I kind of get confused so I do practical astrology yes I'm interested that there were eclipses and I certainly paid attention and something really happened for me and I'm more interested in you studying your chart and The rhythms of the week and staying in the flow and getting these elements into your system balanced and then once that happens if you want to come study with me I have a school yeah but so I'm not abstraction and going off into high intellectuals not my strong suit I have the gift but most mostly I'm an embodiment person that wants to make sure we're not full of [ __ ] I spent a lot of time in life sniffing people and seeing are they full of [ __ ] and they look at me in the eyes and I can tell real quick and so do you yeah yeah absolutely this idea of repairing so during the eclipse I was with uh a brother matius to Stefano who's this wild Mystic channeling you know magnificent magnificent being and he really gave me a gave me a very clear assignment and the very clear he he like put his staff he had a staff and he puts his staff down and he smashes it down right next to to him and and uh and everybody just kind of looking around I knew I could feel that he was calling me I was sitting in the back just kind of relaxed right at the eclipse and then I go sit down there and he goes finally and I was like all right man I get it you know like sorry I didn't jump to it but I wasn't you weren't exactly clear you just put your staff on the ground and then he's like you you have to repair the story of c and Abel the two brothers who couldn't get along and you have to you know repair the union between the lovers and he's like he gave me that specific which is all about relationship welcome to Saturn and Libra yeah yeah exactly and I was I was like all right well okay that's a big that's a big ass to repair Kan and Abel and repair the repair the lovers but yeah it was like that makes total sense it does it makes a lot of sense and you heard it and I'm sure you're applying it and then I showed up yeah yeah exactly synchronicity it's what you specialize in and people watching this there's lots of synchronicity everywhere in the world do we know notice it good question and do we listen better question but do we apply like will my 4E yesterday actually affect your life I want to hear I've got your text number now yeah totally well and that's so I texted VI you know after after it was over and she's like how was your session and I go well it will it will radically change my life if I allow it to bingo it will radically change my life if I allow it to and I could just go oh that was a cool session and or I could take the lessons and I could actually [ __ ] do it and then then say no that session changed my life and I made the choices to make sure that it changed my life because it's just a session unless I actually follow through yes be patient you're in exact Saturn on Mars today it's not an easy moment this is why your body's been giving you a little challenge sure it's really important to take your time that's part of our conversation yesterday is Pace you get the Insight then you wait then you wait then you can't stop cuz it's so clear if everyone would just slow down I don't understand I cuz I was a speed freak let's be honest and I still have Tendencies on my electric but I've learned making love slower eating slower smelling the flowers walking slower totally different experience yeah I don't know why the human body is built to be anxious and built for high strung energy I keep asking myself do you think it's because just collectively there's so much stimulus that we've gotten into this kind of frenetic yes pace can you hear I mean right now 5G we've got cameras on there's high voltage energy I'm like we have to admit that when we grew up when I grew up there wasn't all this stuff right there was quiet right so we're at a different frequency and therefore we have to become conscious of how do we meditate how do we medicalize the collective angst if I am a leader as an elder and I invite everyone that's watching this to think maybe you're an elder and didn't know it maybe you maybe you're drawn to Aubrey because you love this wisdom so much it resonates and the deepest parts of your recesses if that's true you may be an elder and if you're an elder that means you got a job and what is the job of the Elder to prepare the ones in front and behind with security and safety to say I got you we're we're safe don't worry that was one of my trips on I we won't go into that one but I did get a very loud message many many years ago that I'm safe and once I put that in my body and started breathing it life got so different yeah can you imagine everyone think about that are you safe and know you probably feel safe well I do because actually I'm I'm comfortable with death it's in your voice um yeah I'm I'm very I'm actually comfortable with death because biggest and and when you're comfortable with death then you know you're comfortable exactly you're comfortable and I love life I don't crave it and this is again today is a good day to die Naka W is you I'm ready for whatever is next it's a it's a comfort because I know the continuity of conscious I know that I know that I'll take many forms over the eons and eons of iterations of this of this Soul's the Soul's purpose and the the cosmic school that I'm in and so there that's what ultimately gives me the comfort and that's also what I think was a big wakeup call during covid because and during the pandemic everybody was like now having to confront totally oh [ __ ] like death is now pressing in closer and we're not able to look away and pretend that this isn't something that can reach all of us and it really reach all of us yeah exactly and it it really breaks my heart seeing how instead of like you know metabolizing and digesting this and allowing this shock of the shock of death to like metabolize and to move Beyond it some people are still and will probably forever wear a mask everywhere they go for the rest of their life and because the fear just reached them and they haven't had the elders to help guide them through and say everyone is wearing a mask just so you know everyone's wearing a mask and until we get to the 13th sign and get out from behind that cute little face of yours everyone's wearing a mask yeah it takes a lot of courage to admit and be vulnerable this existence for me I don't know about you but I find it very painful I'm not good at being human this is not my specialty I fake it and I do a really good job because I've got a mission and I know who I work for and I want to go home and say job well done and I can nod my head yes but in the meantime being here I wear a mask from time to time in order to keep this place feeling comfortable because I find the human condition mean it hurts me and I hate the feeling of cold winds where your heart's not feeling safe and you don't know who your people are we don't know that cuz you're so Community bound as I am but there's a lot of people listening to this who spend way too much time alone right and they don't feel connected mostly to themselves in their own chart right yeah I mean when when that moment like so much wisdom is about bringing death close you know momento Mory probably arguably the most famous stoic saying you know remember your death I love it so remember your death like remember remember that you're going to die and the Bushido you have you have a samurai over your right shoulder right there and the Bushido code like the first lesson is the same thing is like remember you're going to die and when you bring and Carlos castanada that you know from Don Juan the totech lineage is death is the wisest advisor that a warrior has yes when you think that All Is Lost you ask your death and your death will say no I have not touched you yet you're still alive and you know so like bringing death close actually is The Liberation to allow you to feel safe in any in any circumstance it's easy for you to say because you're an old soul Who's made the transition there's a lot of people in just the smallest ways Letting Go feeling safe being able to not be in a relationship that doesn't work because they're scared of death of the relationship there you can't imagine how prevalent this is a very this is a symbol of your Evolution and which is why we're sitting here because you've done death you're friends with it I am the same but I did a research project I studied with two rabbis about death and dying and I sat in the room and I said to everyone we were studying for years together and I said raise your hand if you're afraid of your death and half the room raised their hand tentatively and then I said raise your hand if you can't wait and the other half raised their hand and I said this is what life is like half the people can't stand the thought of their death my neighbor and the other half are secretly trying to figure out how to get out of here right and do it with a clean slate so that you finish here with everything checked up before you go right that's a very interesting conversation yeah and and a part of really a part of part yeah I want to hear more about that a part of it is actually living so fully that when you cross the threshold you can look back and say oh yeah I really lived you know like I tasted the food I kissed the lover I stood for what I believed in I laughed I danced I cold water I saw the stars at night I drank the salt water I drank the wine I exactly like a real Sufi place makes me so excited tell me about Scorpios so Scorpios everybody sees Scorpio and they're like oh you like to [ __ ] and that's so unfair I know that makes me so mad that's what my books I want to just like just distill and then dismiss all of this it's not fair Scorpio is everything you just said the short version is it's the highest sign to get us out of The Liberation to get us into liberation of the ego so Scorpio while it's considered sex is a cheap way of putting it sex is a small death orgasm is the release of the ego Scorpio has a huge appetite to figure out how to get out of here they're really desperate if they have a relationship with very much being present everything you said they eat this life alive and they're not afraid of their death at the highest at the lowest level they're very manipulative and they're scurity cats and they sting and it's a longer conversation I have a short video you probably haven't seen them yet on YouTube I have I have Milana showed me they're hilarious out the Scorpio part and I have eight million views it's embarrassing I was 12 people within five minutes each and everyone got to see me act like a sphenic um but it worked yeah I didn't really know it was going to get so popular but that you can watch of them and so the short answer is that's one flavor of the 12 that deals with not just sex but the Deep desire to face death and be real and be honest and not be wobbly like they they're very steady at their high level at their low level they're mean because they're so pissed off at this place and they are not uninhibited to let you know that what you did pissed them off you know they have that quality so you know when people have sex did it feel good did it hurt I don't know the sounds are always so revealing like are they liking that thing or does it hurt that's what what Scorpio's like right right how come they're Hing those sounds that's very Scorpio I can't determine whether this feels good or this hurts but the kids were listening they'd be going Mom are you okay yeah funny that is funny so how much you know it seems like a lot of a lot of this is about my you know sun sign and then but there's so much more complexity in the sign so like if you're just starting out like we all know we all know our our sun sign right like everybody knows that it's part of normal conversation you can't get anywhere around there without actually sharing that part it's been around for 4,000 years yeah it's been around a long time where do you where do you like to go next so like for like to the moon to the Moon y the sun and the moon are best friends the moon's your inner World yours is in sad you're it's humor it's a philosopher it's the Seeker it's the athlete it's the one that gets off on being full of G the moon tells us your emotional nature it's up at night so the sun is your ego up during the day then the moon takes you in and then the third category which is the most important is your time of birth and that describes your rising sign and yours is Pisces so your the rising sign or the ascendant is what you're Rising into it's your higher self and it's based on the moment of your birth so the fact that you're rising and your son are the same is why you're so Pisces right you're a double Pisces so those three influences that's how everyone calls the three pillars I get kind of pissed off here we go because astrology can be cheap like oh my sun moon and Rising you know nothing I mean you know enough to be dangerous you're talking about it's not useless but actually learning the science and massaging it and getting to know it requires study this is ancient science right because so much is was revealed when you were talking about where my Mercury was and where my you know my Venus at the zero degree and there was so much that got really really interesting and that's what got me on board ultimately was yeah all right there's some you know double right there's some things about this that make sense but then as we got so fun watching you it was we got deeper it was like oh this is getting juicier and more interesting and and more complex so that requires study and we have a school and twice a year in September and January your wife just did it we have a level six weeks 10 people in a room and you study your chart so I teach people in very simple English this is what Aaron did Aaron was a brilliant one of my best students I've ever had yeah he learned it so quick he's really learned it as fast as I could talk and then he did a tattoo on his arm was cute um the point of the story is you have to study it and be careful who you study with and you will begin to collect information there's lots of information but the actual I call it applied astrology at our school to make it useful right so you can go study it and there's no end in sight I mean I am such an astrology addict I just have to admit that want to ask me are you addicted yes I'm addicted to it I never get bored every chart I see I'm like wow that makes so much sense and it never seems to not fascinate me yeah one of the things one of the reasons why I particularly didn't believe in the rising sign of uh of of the chart was because of my own story with my mom so my mom was in labor for a ridiculous amount of time and she was in labor all the way through the night and pushing and pushing and pushing but actually her the the bones were actually too narrow for me to Cross right so and the doctor was unavailable until the morning he was sleeping so they couldn't do anything about it so I was actually like if if the doctor picked up the phone I would have been born you know 8 hours earlier but he didn't but he didn't and then so I was like well that's [ __ ] random like why does this but then I think of the synchronicities of the world and like and the Mystery just saying oh no no not yet it's not time for this Soul you know like stay asleep doctor whoever the [ __ ] you were you know and like pick up the phone now and so then I start to think of like all of these crazy synchronicities that I've had in my own life and all of the ways that the mystery has and or what Matias calls the Weaver has weaved things and then I then I now I look at it and go oh yeah that was always supposed to be that way it wasn't an accident that I was born when the doctor woke up and picked up his phone totally totally and it gets better I didn't tell you this sun and Pisces moon in Sag was the same chart that Einstein had and he studied time and he studied time his whole life and he studied synchronicity and he took science look what he did he pioneered our notion of Science and relativity In Time by his sag his scor his Pisces his Pisces would hold two marbles in his hand and right before he fell asleep and dropped the marbles he'd start to work he would go into that Pisces dream state medicine but and then his moon in sand was such a philosopher that he was quoted to say in my distaste for Authority God made me one that's so funny he was such a rebellious guy he's like don't do that to me I don't want to be Authority and then he became one similar to you right right that makes sense so interesting that you're both sun and Pisces Moon and sagge yeah and that you both have this pioneering nature to go into a philosophical angle and then bring it back down that's what he did too what is what do you find do you feel like there's a you know a like an active resistance from this materialist reductionist purist rationalist world that just really doesn't want to believe in this because it forces them to believe in a higher power that they don't want to believe in is that that's exactly right that's why medicine is so important the whole Zeitgeist is opening up to realizing why would we keep ourselves addicted to a limited mind that sees in such small quarters and cannot open up the expanse to understanding the magic realm why would we do that it's so boring so now our society's been and astrology's gotten so popular I mean it's coming out now and part of that is your work part of it is opening up people and saying just consider what you can't let your mind understand what does medicine do it shuts off your left brain that's it we're going to talk to your right brain we're going to give you directions and hope you'll listen yeah there are are there other like competing schools of astrology from different other sides that that are like arguing with each other and trying to establish themselves as the dominant it's vadic astrology in vadic astrology you would be a Aquarius so there's a whole other system and it's ancient it's it's from the Eastern world from India and it's got great value for prediction but it's completely different and yes they argue welcome to planet Earth everyone seems to have a fight about something and then there's systems I love all the stuff that's coming out with the human design and being able to understand the anagram and being able to St numerology and then we have Richard who's doing the Jean keys and right all of the stuff is our appetite our starving appetite do you see me do you like me how am I different and can you remind me why I signed up so all of those are tools to help you remember what did I sign up for and I just say study them all but choose one and go deep I'm that person Mastery comes with repetition right and it takes many many years if I tell you how long I've been doing this it's crazy and it came in a dream yeah yeah I think that's such a valuable thing because often times we'll just learn a little bit we'll be attracted to the little bit of superficial knowledge we can get but the Mastery goes deep you know Bruce Lee's quote I fear not the man who knows a th kicks I fear the man who's practiced one kick 10,000 times you know like it's like that's where Mastery is it's like the depth the depth is repetition and it's routine and it's Earth people and not everyone has the gift and they're not all supposed to in this life but it seems obvious that I had to do astrology from the very beginning and I don't know I think they put a drug in my head that said you will love this till the end because it never gets Bor I'm like is this going to wear off soon CU I've never not been fascinated it is a funny thing I do wonder about that like do I have something in my blood that's different is do you see people who decide that they just want to ABS they see this and then they like just say like I'm going to go [ __ ] totally different way is there like a rebel nature yeah it's they don't come to see me if they're going to do that they're usually people that aren't interested in astrology and they're resisting their character and they're putting a square hole in a round circle and it's uncomfortable they're not coming for an astrology it's so it's almost like there's like a there's like a wind that's really kind of blowing you towards these different Pathways and you can try and resist it but it's just going to be headwind the question you have to ask and you and I have this in Spades is how much do you trust that you're here to serve God if you know your purpose at the end is going to be in a room face to face with your team and they're going to say to you uhoh we notice what you were doing and by the way try again or if you finish this movie and they go good job I we really saw your effort and boy did it serve a lot of people come with us that's beautiful that's beautiful thank you so much oh this has been my pleasure I mean when I saw your chart at first I was like I don't know I don't really understand Pisces but I've learned so much about Pisces from you it's really I've learned so much in the last two days yeah and I've learned so much about myself too you know and I tried to I was trying to write a book called master your mind and ultimately I got to 70,000 words three times and failed because I really realized that I couldn't actually disambiguate the Mind from everything else that exists so I basically was trying to write a book called Master the universe and uh that's so double Pisces too big too big yeah that I had too big we need SC scale it down scale it down get really practical and tacal well that's what I do with astrology I make I scale it down scale it down so it's super English and people can actually understand the elements to begin with and then start to ask themselves what did I sign up for what was I thinking when I took on this movie yeah yeah well thank you star Mom it's been it's been such a gift and I look forward to keeping in touch with you and uh and letting you know how I'm doing on my ass thank you for promoting that I don't believe in astrology just turned into I do believe in astrology yeah totally totally and I you know and I encourage people too all the Skeptics out there like wait till you feel it yourself don't take my word for it just allow yourself to go deep find a you know find a master and and like allow yourself to be open-minded enough to see and see what resonates thank you yeah absolutely so much love to you so much love yeah and so much love to all of you thanks for tuning in everybody we love you goodbye thanks for tuning in to this video make sure you hit subscribe follow me at Aubrey Marcus check out the Aubrey Marcus podcast available everywhere and leave a comment let me know if this video resonated or what else you would like to hear from me in the future thank you so much