[Music] my name is Ricardo Lopez it is January 14th 1996 today's my birthday I'm 21 now 21-year-old Ricardo Lopez's neighbors didn't know he had an obsession an obsession with alternative rock singer vior Goodman's daughter and almost seriously injured her obviously he wanted to bring her harm uh to what extent we're uncertain yesterday I purchased this camera today I purchased a tripon and I will begin on documentation of my life of my art and of my plans police say it was inside this small Hollywood apartment Lopez constructed a device designed to spray on the singer he then concealed it in a hollowed out book and mailed it to bork in London England we live in a world of monsters do you understand that a world of monsters it belongs to them and I soon I'm in my roads of becoming with them I'm going to die with the monsters so I will die as a monster I'm not going to die an innocent man and I I held up as long as I could my my original plans were for my parents to die and then for me to do but hey things change things change things change inside Lopez's apartment police found pictures of the rock singer CDs and other paraphernalia they also found 10 other videotapes documenting how Lopez made the device on one of the vide tapes Lopez talked about why he wanted to hurt the rock singer whose fault is that it's right that's her fault and that's uh completely unacceptable to me I'm just going to have to kill her [Music] [Applause] [Music] hello and welcome to I could murderer podcast we are back once again with a brand new case and I'm joined by of course I am he's still here guys he's not going anywhere is Ben Carter hello hello thank you so much for that positively lovely introduction Tom um the winter months are almost upon us we're probably in Dan's sort of automnal transition uh feeling a bit chilly this morning but super happy to be here with my friends how are you Dan very good yeah I do like the uh it's coming into spooky season isn't it um but now I'm very good I had a little trip away to the South Coast with sof recently so I'm feeling a bit refreshed oh went diaba all right that looked good didn't it yeah actually it did did out of a couple of massive storms which I do like a storm but yeah it was ferocious big thunder and lightning big bit of Thunder big bit of lightning a lightning first actually then the Thunder count the seconds how far away is it it's on top of us no it was actually was really nice nice to get away yeah we went in a rave or a nightclub or something didn't go them out there not there for the partying there for the relaxing Ben what you been up to Ben not a lot really I wish I had some stories to share um but you know pling pling along tearing through the series um couple of like weekends in London but nothing nothing to sort of write home about you know I have something to share yeah something happened to me on this little trip away for the first time that's ever happened to me I take a guess come did you get recognized did you feel genuine happiness ow it's got us both now no I I got stung by a wasp oh grinning ear to ear when he said this ladies and gentlemen 35 years into my life I've never been stung until this this point um and my life literally flashed before my eyes because how was it it was yeah well the WASP actually Su me twice so it was doubly scary I meant your life flashing before your eyes how did you what was be just sadness takeaways can I watch Disney no no actually yeah speaking of her M um God love her but she's she's put the fear in me for my entire life because she told me if I were to ever get stung by a bee or a wasp that I could potentially go anaphylactic and uh not breathe and die so but I survived to tell the tale so always was well stung I've always I've always thought you were allergic I think I actually involved in the poem for your birthday yes you did actually yeah yeah lot the base around that yeah well I'm glad but you feel you feel stronger now probably think there's less less in the world that can take me out where did you get stung uh just above the bum did you provoke it no no it went up my t-shirt everyone everyone said that you must have pissed the WASP off no it trying to go not here no it is my Hill a it's a table for two it's my hill oh okay well that's that's brilliant well talking about Wass and bees doesn't work at all but yes Ben can you remind the listeners of what the clue was for this for this I can indeed and I have a slight confession to make as well I've seen a lot of differing opinions on the pronunciation of BK um BK not bork so actually kills the clue Ricardo please stop with that rhyming um Ricardo uh the Bor stalker stop doing that Ricardo Bor stalk bork stalk but it's BK yeah it's BK is that BK in icelantic I don't know it's just how I believe she prefers BK I'm going to try my best to remain on B but I'm sure I'll I'm going to say Bor cuz that's the only name I've ever heard of be called ever unless you're asking her how she prefers it to be said that's fine Bor B Bor I'm going to go with B one of us will be wrong so that's fine Bor is like jerk BK it depends on where you come from is it that's also true really beer can B it's nice to meet you now I've been saying Bor all my life and now I'm told that it's b b b yeah okay so does know I'm playing that does it annoy you when B yeah okay so does it annoy you when people say Bor no it's actually quite entertaining that there are about 500 versions of my name there you go so this week it is of course the case of Ricardo Lopez also known as the Bor stalker or the BK stalker the case of Ricardo Lopez the Ricardo Lopez video diaries the attempted murder of buk the LetterBomb stalker the final days of Ricardo Lopez eight months of a documented Obsession from fan to Fantasy and then Ricardo please stop with the rhyming um but it's actually BK rather than bork so that kills the clue apologies there might still have been a few people that got it though I'm pretty comfortable with B to be honest I think that's quite an easy easy thing to do see how gets on let's let's speak of the devil here he is so just a quick trigger warning if you are or are not familiar with this particular case we are going to be discussing themes uh surrounding suicide in quite some detail um there is always someone to talk to always someone to reach out to and the number for Samaritans is in the description of this episode Thursday September 12th 1996 late morning 21-year-old Ricardo Lopez wakes up slightly earlier than normal or potentially went the whole night without sleeping he feels a strange sense of calm rush over him for the first time in years as if everything has been leading up to this very moment he sets up his camera just as he has done a 100 times before but today feels different he scribbles onto the tape last day Ricardo Lopez before proceeding with his ultimate plans Ricardo looks into the camera trying to find himself in the reflection but by now all he sees is a total stranger there's no turning back at this point he tells himself hearing his own steady yet Hollow voice echo through the Silence of his lonely heavily littered apartment it's time to go after designing testing building and packaging a letter bomb rigged full of sulfuric acid Ricardo makes his way to the post office before shipping the death trap to the London address of Icelandic musician and Global celebrity b or B what are you going to say Dan B it's nice to meet you now I've been saying B on my life and now I'm told that it's B B B I want to go BK because that's what she wants it's like commentator changing it football it's like no why you saying to six years in it's the first time I've heard it and I've known she existed like for a long time so sorry you still be my nickname for her is a is a it's a fun nickname yeah be that's fair all bases are covered exactly like if we called Ben what he wanted to be called it' be a very different story returning to the relative safety of his apartment soon after the clock ticks louder now than ever before and there's only one thing left to do his D is now full his apartment walls covered with hand painted instructions for the FBI his mission feels complete Ricardo picks up a 38 caliber revolver and rolls the camera one last time how did a once promising life spiral so far away from a world of reality were there any indications in Ricardo's childhood suggest that he would be capable of such a devious act and did any key events occur in his adulthood that shifted him towards a life of fantasy Ricardo Lopez was born on the 14th of January 1975 in the city of Monte Vio uh which is the capital city of Uruguay Monte vido roughly translating to I see a hill or Mountain View is described as one of the most Charming laid-back and romantic capital cities in all of the world and actually has a little lovers Fountain smack bang in the middle of the city center you know you sometimes see those bridges in Paris that are covered in padlocks sort of engraved padlocks we see them all over the world really don't you yeah sometimes see them in Paris sometimes yeah um well they have a uh they have a fountain um and the midians say the legend of this young Fountain tells us that if a lock with the initials of two people in love is placed in there that they will return together to the Fountain and their love will forever be locked probably get rusty and um over time and it it is a bit of an eyes saw the picture of it it doesn't look like a they removed all the padlocks in on the bridge in Paris wow get too heavy yeah yes fantastic yeah set up H The Boys Are Back the fact boys do you think that impacted the relationships at all the padlock being removed if they were Believers in that suddenly broke up yeah just saying man Ricardo was the youngest of three boys born to Uruguayan parents having an older brother called George and another older brother called Carlos from the moment he was born Ricardo was especially close to his mother due to her conceiving him much later in life than was the case with his other siblings the pair formed a very close Bond and Ricardo was considered a miracle baby by the rest of the Lopez family the middle class family made the decision to immigrate to America when Ricardo was still young initially moving to a small rural neighborhood in the city of Atlanta Georgia and this is where Ricardo had a relatively ordinary upbringing and was raised in a loving family see I have a very loving family I mean my mother has a love for me that it's truly bewildering of course every mother loves their son but since I was born I was El Nino deas which means the old wife's boy I was born when my mom was almost 40 I'm now 21 George is 35 and our Older Brother Carlos is 39 there is a big age difference and so I was a child that wasn't expected so she has this special attachment to me so I know whatever I do I can't do it until she's dead which starts off quite nice in terms of saying you know his M has such a love for him but the old wife's boy as well I think is Mom she Pi picking herself up a bit more the old wife's boy but there you go yeah I think throughout so if if people aren't familiar with this case there are we're going to get onto it there is a lot of footage from Ricardo's video Diaries and the constant theme kind of bringing him back down to earth somewhat is his family and particularly his mother he gets very emotional when describing her and I think anytime he is living outside of her roof things seemed to start escalating Ricardo recorded some fun memories from his childhood in America he remembered running around the Streets of Atlanta as a child predominantly by himself as his brothers were adults with careers by the time he reached his sixth birthday his family described him as an easygoing but introverted child who found it difficult to fit in and displayed some signs of social withdrawal Ricardo would claim in some of his later video diaries that he encountered older men in his neighborhood that warned him about going down certain streets in Atlanta due to racial attacks that were happening these men supposedly claimed that these attacks were predominantly black on white and black on Hispanic as well as this Ricardo would recall going out with a group of his friends who were predominantly white and Hispanic who became disgusted as a group when they saw what they deemed as a pretty looking Asian girl walking arm in arm with a black guy all of these events may have influenced Ricardo STS on race and different cultures later in life at school Ricardo showed signs of being an intelligent and gifted young student though he typically kept himself to himself he did have a small group of male friends but did not form any particularly close or meaningful relationships with any of them as well as this he didn't have any girlfriends or female friends and became overwhelmed at any time that he was made to work with or speak to the opposite sex he would wrri in his that he felt inadequate shameful and socially awkward around females as he Grew Older he developed a huge love for art music and creative writing it became an escape for him and he started to preoccupy himself with Vivid fantasies often daydreaming about going to art school and becoming a famous artist according to journalist Paulo Pelini a regular contributor for the website emadian which claims to be the Italian portal of the macabra probably like Deviant Art I think we mentioned that quite a lot but it feels like there's a one of the first images that pop up when you search Ricardo Lopez Bor B stalker is um a deviant art drawing of him and it's really quite like I looked at it for a while thinking like it said a lot about him it's quite interesting yeah shout out D art post up here the credit the artist of course yeah Ricardo was diagnosed with kleinfelter syndrome as an adolescent according to the NHS website kleinfelter syndrome is where boys and men are born with an extra X chromazone possible features during childood which are not always present may include being quieter and more passive than usual having undescended testicles only one testicle or a smaller penis I thought that's just coming from Linton it was it was the tone of only one testicle or a smaller penis having undescended testicles only one testicle or a smaller penis shyness low energy levels and low self-confidence can also be common as well as problems with Reading Writing spelling socializing expressing feelings and paying attention while possible features during adulthood which are not always present may include infertility a low sex drive small infirmed testicles as well as erection problems as a child and a teenager Ricardo exhibited early signs of psychological distress including depression and obsessive Tendencies these issues went largely unaddressed by his parents as his family did not fully recognize the extent of his mental health struggles for quite some time his later diary entries would reveal that he had a detailed and lengthy history of negative thoughts and feelings regarding himself which indicated that his mental health issues were long-standing he struggled significantly with body image issues including feelings of being unattractive and overweight these insecurities contributed to what was a continually low self-esteem and made it difficult for him to engage with others particularly with young women as a result he developed a negative self viiew that only deepened over time and despite his troubled mental state as we mentioned Ricardo had some creative interests that he seemed to throw himself into and he showed a particular talent in art and drawing often spending time on highly detailed sketches in his late teenage years Ricardo decided to drop out of high school allog together in order to chase his dreams of becoming an artist so at that point it sounded like that was a nice turn in his life but in fact it was this decision that kind of ultimately leads him into the spiral that he found himself in in 1991 age 16 Ricardo moved from Atlanta Georgia to the City of Hollywood Florida where he started working for his brother George's Pest Control business I couldn't find the name of the company so I'm just going to go with George's roaches and Co Lopez pest Brothers lope Lopez control there you go there you go thank you that was quick as well ladies and gents quick as well hire him at around the same time that this happened Ricardo's parents returned to Uruguay and his eldest Brother Carlos remained in Atlanta he lost a lot of contact with the rest of his family as a result of these moves Ricardo then got an apartment of his own in downtown Hollywood and his initial hopes were that his work as a pest exterminator would help to support his Artistic Endeavors which he would be able to focus on during his evenings and weekends unfortunately things didn't quite go to plan after less than a year of chasing his dreams shortly after Ricardo turned 17 he began to spiral deeper and deeper into a world of his own fantasy he became a recluse and spent almost any time that he wasn't working shut away in his apartment he began to put on a lot of weight predominantly living off a diet of fast food and sugary drinks and he became increasingly more depressed he also developed gynecomastia which is the abnormal non-cancerous enlargement of one or both male breasts which he was disgusted with and ashamed by quick one there so five famous people celebrities who have also suffered with the same um infliction Dwayne The Rock Johnson Simon Cal John Travolta this is this is like A-list arold Sportz neeger mm and uh Jack Nicholson the actor M wow yeah but the this obviously surgical we know the rock had um surgery to deal with it but yeah it's quite it's must be quite common well it says here new in newborns up to 90% of boys have some form of it when they reach puberty up to 60% of boys still have uh detectable uh uh symptoms of it and then as you enter adult hood between 24 to 65% of men so it is yeah it does seem a bit more common than perhap perhaps expected free free the nipple free the nipple during his first 6 months in Florida he would often work overtime for his brother's company having less spare time for him to pursue his art though this work could gradually diminish over time as a result of numerous customer complaints the majority of which were about Ricardo's work ethic and poor attitude at around this same time period Ricardo began to develop a fear and belief that any art school would reject him because he quote wasn't worth enough and wasn't good enough and developed a severe inferiority complex he would spend less and less time working on his art and pursue his dreams of becoming a famous artist in fact any art that he did make would strike fear into him when it came to showing anybody else due to his feelings of being a failure his moods would get so low that he would often label himself as a disgusting machine and a cockroach despite cockroaches being the very thing that he destroyed through his work as work with his brother's pest control company started to become more and more sparse you might think this would allow Ricardo to focus more time on his art however any free time they did have would be focused on an entirely new obsession the world of celebrity Ricardo became obsessed with various actresses and singers starting with Gina Davis who was in th Louise Beetle Juice and Stuart Little the story about a mouse who didn't want to be a chef he just wanted to be a normal boy often detailing his obsession in his diary or from magazine and newspaper cutouts that would be placed on his refrigerator and various walls of his apartment very like a teenage boy room L that likes everything all over my walls little stickers little photos Cod signs yeah all Foy yeah in a way that is cool though it was really cool actually everyone need to come around and go oh this is like is there much bit in here later a is a bedroom but it could be cool he became more and more detached from reality and society as a result of these new obsessions and these obsessions would only spiral further with Ricardo truly believing that he was involved in these celebrities lives and using the world of celebrity as a means of Escape in 1993 aged 18 Ricardo became Spellbound and completely fixated with Icelandic musician Bor he experienced a feeling unlike any of his other celebrity obsessions he immediately started to collec in details about her personal life joined her fan club it's a good fan club name for buor buor Maniacs B the Berserker Bas yeah it's hard is it it's hard fans of buor yeah just like fans of her music closely tracked her career started buying all of her records and merchandise videotaped any television performances or interviews and started sending her artwork he made for her as well as multiple letters photos of buor began to sprout up all over his apartment Ricardo referred to her as his Muse and claimed that his infatuation with her brought him a sense of euphoria with this Ian we're going to go more on to it in the timeline he was seeing uh a psychiatrist with regards to his anxiety and and low moods but there's been loads of people speculate about various mental health conditions based on this 20 or so hour uh video diary that he kept but I found this Reddit Fred which basically linked the fact that he found Euphoria in bork links to his behaviors that were very in line with uh bipolar disorder H and uh and also ADHD um so I will I'll share that link in up there's going to be loads of stuff from this episode going our Facebook group but they were saying they were linking a lot of his behaviors and feelings towards bu in a very much a um a bipolar kind of uh form however over time his obsession intensified with his fixation on beor consuming his thoughts and causing him to become increasingly more disconnected from reality this pattern and Obsession continued to escalate for the following 3 years where it would reach a dangerous and highly disturbing new depth and it is here that we moved to the timeline of Ricardo Lopez the Bor stalker January 14th 1996 so this was day one of Ricardo's video diary after purchasing a video camera a day before his 21st birthday Ricardo decided to start keeping both a written and video diary which would Chronicle his thoughts feelings and plans regarding buor throughout almost all of his video diaries Ricardo remains adamant that his obsession with Bor was not sexual because he was not good enough for her whilst also writing I couldn't have sex with Bor because I love her he continued to state that she was his Muse and that he got a euphoric feeling just by looking at photos of her or listening to her music I think in one instance he also refer referred to her as almost like a demigod figure he wrote about his desire to be a person who had a quote lasting effect on her life whilst also proclaiming a need for him to be accepted by bork in the very same entries as belittling himself for being a quote disgusting loser who never even learned to drive he would also write that he fantasized about inventing a time machine so that he could travel back in time to the 1970s and befriend Bor as an infant it's an interesting one because as you mentioned already this this isn't sexual or he says you know he couldn't have sex with her cuz he loves her so I don't think there's any Sinister aspect of that in the sense of it's not like like it's not sexually driven that kind of thought but him going back and T be friend his infant it's quite odd but yeah it's it's very I mean this is a real story about someone who's isolated and spiraling and you know living in the fantasy world and um getting deeper and deeper and also the self-hatred really kind of yeah it's a really dangerous and uh vicious mix yeah absolutely and we're going to throughout the episode have clips of this video diary and when you see him I mean back in many years ago I I watched the full set of the video diary and I won't do it again because it was really disturbing particularly towards the end but how long was it 21 and 1 half hours what were you I know but was it like you have lunch I'll put Ricardo on it was it was over a period of time I think it took me a couple of months to do it but it was I found out about the case I saw a particular clip from the case which I'm sure everyone has well most people that are familiar with the case has seen and I wanted to know more about it and I saw a movie that was made like the kind of shortened the clips into like an hour and a half but I wanted to I wanted to know more and it was yeah I would never do it again never do it again because it is there are some in some hours of the footage you really feel sorry for him there's a lot of promise there he's clearly you know intellectual he's articulate but then he says some other things that are just horrific and violent and racist and he he he just it's the the change over the tapes towards the end he just doesn't seem himself anymore towards the end of it and it's a fascinating insight and that's what makes this case so unique but with the whole yeah him repeatedly claiming he doesn't have a sexual interest in in buor I think that's he always puts that down to him knowing he isn't worthy or believing he isn't Worthy of her anyway so it becomes more like he views her as a daughter or a demigod which we I don't think we've ever had anything like this in any case we've covered before the reasons for starting this video Dar were all prompted by Ricardo recently learning that the news BK his obsession was dating British musician and DJ Goldie this news completely shattered the once Perfect Image he had of BU as he deemed the new relationship to be unacceptable he felt deeply hurt and betrayed feeling that he' wasted all of his time on buk only fored to go and get a boyfriend with without his approval he felt that she needed to be punished for this look at this beautiful face is cute innocent sweet and shy thing whoa she's [ __ ] an can you believe that yes [ __ ] that's unacceptable so be whose fault is that it's right that's her fault and that's uh completely unacceptable to me and uh I'm just going to have to kill her yes so the the full line he says there is I'm just going to have to kill her I'm going to send a package I'm going to be sending her to Hell which is yeah a huge uh change in uh Dynamic for his feelings towards buor the video diary itself would last a total of almost 21 hours film from January through to September whilst the written diary would grow to 800 3 Pages the written diary contained a total of 48 references to Burk 168 references to Ricardo's feelings of failure 52 references to other celebrities 34 references to Suicide 27 references to not being able to get a girlfriend and 14 references to murder at the time his only passions in the reality of his life were eating food as well as the extermination of bugs and cockroaches at his work so for those that aren't familiar with this case and for those that are joining us via the audio episode it is the video diaries in particular that make the case so fascinating all of the footage recorded within Ricardo's practical pig sty of an apartment that's um self-d self coined I'm I'm not just lagging off Ricardo films them most often during the night time and the early hours of the morning though there are some Daytime entries on occasion he is predominantly speaking directly to the camera in most instances however he does also give a first- person tour of his apartment and his Creations he's often naked or just wearing underwear in the videos there's often pop music of the time playing in the background and you notice a drastic change in both his mood and appearance as the months go by so he make it a lot so like 21 hours worth Ben how often was he nuded couldn't really say couldn't I don't remember that element too well um I think it's a couple of particularly when it gets to the point that he's constructing the letter bomb I think he's then like feeling cuz it's Florida it's hot mhm he's feeling like it's perhaps easier to do it I'm do acid mate I'm put more layers on yeah 100% I mean he does briefly wear like a Hazmat suit but yeah I don't really recall but it is yeah very rarely did he have a t-shirt on he was not a fan yeah but full naked I can't recall I think there was one scene where he punishes himself for um missing buor on TV and not recording it like she was on an advert or something and he gets angry so he is aggressive to his genitals in front of the camera as a form of punishment which yeah was Grim tried to fast forward but couldn't did to rewinding Fu what he just punched himself in the the barles I don't think he did that I think he was like pinching and stuff it was Grim y that's not that's not fun January 18th 1996 so this was day four Ricardo progresses with various different concepts he had for causing a lasting impact on the life of buk he drafts up different designs amidst the heavy clutter of his apartment and has Visions for different packaged traps that could either bring an end to burk's life or leave her permanently disfigured as a result so that's the key thing he keeps switching from wanting this package to end her life or wanting this package to ruin her life or cause a significant impact on her life I remember this Horror Story that Jack Dean told me once about a YouTuber event someone giving someone some muffins and it had like some needles in and they when they were were like question about after I just wanted to make them feel something CU I wanted to have a significant effect on someone's life it's just so bizarre well I mean even these these video diaries itself he was filming them all thinking that one day he this was long before YouTube long before the internet he wasn't thinking the whole world is going to see this he was thinking is going to be watching it 21 hours he he was thinking that eventually she is going to be based on what the outcome of this situation is the tapes will be viewed by her so he's almost performing to the camera for her in some instances um and providing commentary for her which again I find so jarring do you remember that story I don't know if it was a conspiracy or not but that story I think it was in Australia where people were finding needles and strawberries that they were eating I'm sure it was quite wildly reported but I don't know if it was ever confirmed but yeah imagine eating a strawberry with her do you remember the candy razor blades thing in America that was I was yeah that's the one I've heard but they couldn't they couldn't they it was like a bit of a urban legend but they there was someone doing something like that razor blades in um Candy or yeah razor Candy Man mhm said five times in a mirror so one of Ricardo's Concepts included the idea of a letter bomb filled with syringes and hypodermic needles that were filled with HIV tainted blood which would potentially inject and explode into BK as she opened the box package this idea quenched his first of wanting to have a lasting effect on her life and so Ricardo says this whilst also then giving a video tour a brief video tour of his cluster Department you know make mistakes are not that meticulous I uh sloppy if if you take a look around my apartment okay as a matter of fact I'm going to show you what my apartment looks like now my tape is almost up here's a sculpture which I'm creating with B York this is the first tap that I'm showing it I'm almost running out of tape but uh see I live in a practical pig sty okay holy [ __ ] there's that pencil I created yesterday with gelatin and everything whoa that was my foot I mean look at this [ __ ] see that this is my apartment I'm a pig no [ __ ] pig got catchup there my bed my bed is leaning up against the wall okay definite Pig January 21st 1996 so this is day seven facing the camera Ricardo makes several references to the film Taxi Driver which he says he has watched six or seven times he explains his distinct similarities to Robert Dao's character and how he sees Jodie Foster's character which is quite ironic given the um John hinley Jr John hinley Jr wanted to assassinate Reagan to impress jod Foster or jod Foster's character he goes on to say that he sees buk like a daughter and also made reference to to sympathizing with Ted kazinski the unibomber a lot of it has to do with a childlike looks and a childlike voice you know being so spontaneous and cute and as far as her beauty I never really saw her as elegant and this and that she's really just cute and smiley and in a way I see her as a daughter type of figure the most I've ever wanted to do with her is just to hold her I've had many fantasies of just holding her not being in a relationship with her because I'm no good for that but I've mastered the art of self embracement Ricardo proceeds to close his eyes and hug himself for a few minutes on camera whilst describing his many fantasies about him holding buk and BK holding him explaining that he yearns to just be able to feel and smell her breath against his was either be enough on camera he as far as I could see apart from that little bit of punishment no fair but yeah that that was one of the more I started to feel sorry for he was really legitimately hugging himself and you could sense he was getting getting a euphoric feeling from that like he really sat in front of the camera and was hugging himself eyes shut just breathing slowly cuz the idea of him being a stalker as well there's a lot of comment on that because did he actually do any stalking yes he did some terrible terrible horrific things but in the like definition of stalker I guess he was obsessed and he did follow her career if you're sending I think for me it crosses it when you start sending like lots of things I think then you are affected if you're obsessed with something and it doesn't leave your house and it it doesn't affect the person and they wouldn't have any idea about it I think it's different but if you're starting to then obviously we're going to get to the big thing later on but even just sending loads I imagine you send lots of letters to her and lots of art so that would maybe cross the boundary slightly yeah that's true but here's a question though if you could sit there and hug yourself and feel genuine Euphoria will you do it yeah all the time constantly yeah good on you yeah good on you mate it could be a form of mindfulness yeah it is quite nice there you go boys are both hugging themselves on camera now very nice there you go yeah look after yourselves yeah please do give yourself a little hug March 3rd 1996 day 47 Ricardo's family began to grow concerned for him particularly his brother George and his mother his mother had grown concerns about his mental health potentially due to George saying that Ricardo was working less and less for his company his mother then called Ricardo asking and kind of demanding together with his father that he move back to Uruguay to live with her during the same call for some reason perhaps her mother's intuition she asked Ricardo if he owns a gun this question in particular seemed to disturb and slightly rattle Ricardo I want to know if uh I had a gun again you know he goes are you sure you don't have any arms with you any weapons with you I said no Mom he goes are you sure yeah yeah don't worry about don't worry about you she goes if you love us don't ever ever please don't ever ever buy a gun cuz I think probably I'm going to kill myself something I don't know I don't know what Geor just told him but um something interesting now puor um I started thinking that week especially so you know what she's not worth the trouble the I put like in Balance who should I dedicate my attention to your mother or a complete stranger you know of course your mother and so I put I put it more into perspective now as far as um my plans that I had with her notice how use the word had it has been 10 temporarily postponed why well partially because of the worrying about my mother right now my first attentions with my mother as a matter of fact in in a couple of weeks I'm going to be going to Uruguay to visit her as you just heard Ricardo mentions that after the call of his parents he doesn't feel that Bor is worth the attention anymore in comparison to his mother as a result he appears to put his plans on hold and things seem to return to some form of normality over the next four months with rard heading back to Uruguay and vacation to visit his parents after this he starts working again for his brother's company and he even returns to working on his art filming himself posing in front of various lamp shades pulling different faces and holding his hand in front of the lamps to manipulate the lighting who then used to steal image from his record to paint various self-portraits this was another part I remember from the big binge of these tapes is he does go back for a couple of weeks to Uruguay he buys his parents a barbecue set and like boxes it and wraps it up on camera and he's so proud of it and so happy with it and like can't wait to see his family and everything seems he he literally goes ah she's not worth the attention anymore and at that point you're thinking okay brilliant done mhm and you see the good in him then but then there'll be other things that we get to um where the plans very much come back into fruition and I wouldn't say I recommend the full watch but it's it is fascinating at the same time why don't you do a uh Ben's best bits Ben's best bits I could do that yeah the 21 hours again time Cod the bit you like I'm not watching it again no way no it really Disturbed me towards the end really Disturbed me watch I had to finish it I got to 18 hours and I thought and I Knew How It Ends so that was also just yeah yeah the same as Titanic people still watch that that's true yeah they rewatch yeah I don't think I could do it maybe for the cult we could do a live watch along and I'll I'll do a 21 hours video camera take off yeah no didn't there an edit of that from an early uh you did do a leaper yeah face my face went on there far too easily yeah yeah leaper sneaker yeah yeah there you go you probably spent more time with lope Lopez and some of your friends have you spent 21 hours watching him in a nice way yeah um yeah in a nice way yeah yeah July 14th 1996 day 182 after a huge argument with his brother-in-law manager George relating to two separate complaints from customers regarding his cleanliness quality of work and state of his truck Ricardo makes the decision to quit his job as a pest exterminator he got two complaints and came by to check my truck and my truck was basically like a huge garbage can he was reporting everything back to my parents I know he was keeping an eye on me because they were already worried about me I'm now on $2 a day budget no more television or telephone the cables have been disconnected right now I'm living my fantasy I'm not scared anymore I'm back to my plans for buk and I'm going to do it going back to his planning he rules out the idea of an AIDS tainted letter bomb he makes it decision based on the fact he doesn't believe he himself has AIDS and he believes blood containing the virus will be hard to come by lot to unpack there just a quick one on the car um like a trash can it's just kind of reminded me like uh Bend did um uh a short recently which was basically covering um a very curious thing that happened in the supermarket where someone basically got trapped behind the fridge was there for 10 years and a skeleton and we had a very interesting comment that producer Dan flagged where someone was basically calling well calling [ __ ] on the whole thing which is it's a new story is it's not a lie but saying that he he had a dead rat in his living room and he it stunk and it just made me have more questions for him as a person having a rat in his a dead rat in his living room see now that you've reminded me of that the only thing I can think is maybe it was a pet in a cage and it had died that morning and then started to smell there quick there a quick stink there isn't it was I don't know I had the idea he was sitting there on his sofa room just full of empty pizza boxes and he's he right Stu [ __ ] but yeah who knows yeah when you watch some of these videos and he does show you parts of his apartment it you can you can almost sort of smell and feel the environment is it's not nice whatsoever a bit hoy very Hoy very Hoy a hoorde house very much a hoorde house a $2 a day budget that is a lot in it not a lot that's opposite that is a lot in it yes yeah he regularly he regularly goes over it by significant amounts as you might guess yeah I would probably get noodles that's why you can get really this pack of noodles yeah yeah noodle sandwiches just noodles treat day July 23rd 1996 day 190 Ricardo makes the decision that he's instead going to build a letter bomb that will fire hydrochic acid all over bu's face upon it being detonated when opened he decides that although this might not kill her it would likely permanent disfigure or blind her potentially bringing an end to her relationship and her career thus killing her Celebrity Status hello how you doing see this map guess where I'm going I'm going to get the hydrochloric acid yes I I got Ralph's truck I did a a lot of shopping today went all over the place I spent about 120 bucks bought a whole bunch of supplies the the Air Supply I'll explain later but uh right now a little nervous but uh got really smooth I'm an artist who uh who wants to buy hydrochloric acid in order to for his metal work to create some interesting Textures in his work my name is Ricardo Lopez just in case it has Friday as you heard under the guise of being an artist who wants to use acid to create interesting Textures in his work Ricardo was successfully able to attain 2.5 L of 36% hydrolic acid he complains that he wanted 100% hydrolic which he assumed might be gas rather than liquid he then proceeds to film himself testing the acid by dropping it on a slice of Papa John's Pizza it's what one last leftover slice that in one of the boxes he then proceeds to film himself testing the acid by dropping it on a slice of Papa John's Pizza some vegetables and a slice of bread he wears full protective equipment that he'd purchase as part of his preparations that's that's the four weeks budget gone m is it it's just covered in acid yeah I'm not ordering that surely you put it on [ __ ] meat like you cook meat and do it you wouldn't do it on P again or was a 96 it's yeah I think he's got cuz again it's not he could just hop on Google and have a little look I think he's very much play I I agree with you though if it's going to Splat out on the face you think what's the most similar thing to B's face a pizza it's like mushroom yeah sorry mushroom it's quite similar to human meat is it yeah texture a lot of links between mushrooms and humans oh that's why they're so good for you fap [Music] what do you think is it cool or is it cool getting ready de with the thing as he wasn't satisfied with the impact the acid had on the items from his fridge Ricardo decided to try some the acid on himself as the acid had little impact he decided to move to a slightly stronger option sulfuric a July 26th 1996 day 193 having built a device that sprays out the acid almost like an aerosol can Ricardo begins to test his sulfuric acid on similar household products which he is far more satisfied with the effects on he had tried other techniques such as a compression release as well as a spring release but was dissatisfied when testing these against a cardboard portrait of Bor in his bathtub all of these plans were initially based on the package being delivered to buk at a book signing I keep going from B to bork sorry you do I noticed that yeah sorry again ladies and gents uh from going from bork to BK I knew I wouldn't be able to handle it all of these plans were initially based on a package being delivered to buk at a book signing or her hotel residence in New York but Ricardo learned that she was staying in London which complicated his planning somewhat a B on very terrific it's scary that someone can you know buy these things start making these things in the house and like quite innocent things can be used in such a horrible way but yeah just very creepy yeah he goes from this sort of guy talking to a camera um complaining about his life to then a guy fixated on building this death trap or this item that's going to cause severe harm and it's the fact that there's footage capturing this timeline is just it's so bizarre but also just so intriguing at the same time because there there's no other case I can think of that that is is similar to this but yeah he's also trying to follow her whereabouts he knows that she's not touring at this point so he's he basically thought she'd either be in New York or London has now learned that she's in London so he's got to get the package from America to England July 29th 1996 day 196 bringing his preparations to a conclusion Ricardo makes the decision to purchase a gun he buys a $210 Taurus 38 caliber revolver uh the company then performs a back Crown check on him and he is able to collect the gun in the next 72 hours this was despite Ricardo regularly visiting a psychiatrist at the time for his anxiety and depression Ricardo claims that he was adamant he wanted a 38 revolver rather than a Glock he told the company he needed it for self-defense as his apartment had been broken into several times in recent weeks I mean to be fair if if they wanted to go and look at his apartment they would probably have believed that because it was in such a bad sorry way m later that night Ricardo celebrates his accomplishments with what he describes as his last meal a takeaway pizza from Papa John's though he would still have another month and a half to wait for his plans to be complete July 30th day 197 Ricardo now sport neote spends his day firing BB gun pellets into a self-portrait he made from the time that he recorded himself posing in front of various lampshades I actually thought the art itself was pretty good he made him I mean he's 21 as well which I I think I've already said he doesn't seem like a 21y old throughout this the the whole video diary but he's he's made himself look slightly more youthful in the painting but it's a bloody good painting I would have I would say is that the holding the one of him holding the light but what he'd done Dan is he'd got a lamp and videotaped himself with his hand in front of the lamp and then paused that on his camera I assume and done that which for the time I didn't think it was bad art not the kind of thing I'd have in my no no but I wouldn't have you know certain things that I wouldn't have and you'd have been sure sure I don't know if I'd want that in my house but yeah like a colorful lion I wouldn't I wouldn't sure no wa fire coock back practice shooting now that there that there's [ __ ] art [ __ ] all painting [ __ ] pastel not that [ __ ] art when I'm [ __ ] doing [ __ ] man I got a lot of cleanup work to do now but uh I'm like oh forget it that I mean all over her face everything all over especially all over here wow man wow and when she takes that thing off she's going to rub oh [ __ ] beautiful man [ __ ] beautiful August 5th day 203 Carlos pays a surprise visit to Florida Ricardo wakes up to several knocks at the door and quickly rushes around his apartment to hide his gun his ammunition as well as the letter bomb he was making his brother spend some time with him before the pair Embrace and cry in one another's arms Carlos leaves the apartment without too much concern little did he know that this would be the last time we'd ever see his youngest brother alive September 6th 1996 day 235 at 104 a.m. Ricardo faces the camera full of energy he appears to have become fully detached from reality and is almost manic in his excitement for causing serious harm to buk he Ponders to the camera with regards to what might happen if something goes wrong with his package on the way to the post office and explains that he is more than happy to take out anybody trying to stop him with the gun or razor blade he is carrying with him before then taking out himself I'm not go remember number one thing I'm not going there for I can't go there for for an assault this is not an assault weapon this is just a a suicide gun and if anything I have to take somebody out I'll take them out but I don't want to do that cuz I don't want to waste any bullets cuz I had to take my Razor with me that razor can go right there with me so I'm going to [ __ ] you up yor W this out be feel like I'm on drug she's going to get [ __ ] as long as I got the gun in my [ __ ] bro I'm going to feel secure now so I me yeah this is this images of what the um package looked like before he you know taped it up and and and put some packaging over it it's it looks like a a book with a letter sat on top of it with then some ribbon tying the letter to the book so I assume that the plan is you untie the ribbon and it will then potentially go off or you untie the ribbon and then lift it and it will go off I think it's a lify device like a popup B yeah yeah Ricardo then explains that his landlord has recently been chasing him up for overdue rent which he no longer has the funds for he explains that he needs to tidde his apartment up in case his landlord inspects the apartment whilst Ricardo is at an internet cafe looking up BK's address he therefore hides any incriminating evidence before leaving his apartment for one of the final times I don't want him to get suspicious if he complains about anything or tries to kick me out I'll just burn down his office or something and [ __ ] him up I'm heading for greatness not in the eyes of men but in my eyes at least so this is in the in the tapes this is the first kind of mention of any physical violence apart from what he's planning for buk this is like the first time he's cuz he's very like doesn't like confrontation doesn't like argument he he vents to the camera a lot when he's not happy about things that have happened in his workday he rants about customers complaining about him but now to obviously we're a week before the end he becomes you know look if my landlord tries to get involved I'll mess him up and I'll burn his office down um which yeah never a way to resolve a dispute with a landlord no no no just AB chat it out chat it out Bo chat it out maybe hug it out afterwards if well out afterwards you what for chatting thank you so much Ricardo then goes on a rant regarding bringing children into the current world but refuses to place any blame towards his parents you have to ultimately pay for every mistake you make this is the problem with having kids you can raise them the best you can but they can end up all screwed up like me I'm going to bring my parents and my family a lot of pain and a lot of shame but I did not ask to be brought into this world it is a [ __ ] crime to bring children into this world and you need to pay for your crimes damn h very dark September 12th 1996 and this is which little people on the curtain it is September 12th right now it is yeah so this happened 38 years no 3 two years ago 30 this4 so eight 2 28 years ago yeah 28 years ago today at the time of filming uh so this means it's day 241 the final day during the early hours of the morning shortly after 2 a.m. Ricardo completely naked at this point shows the camera his letter bomb a large hollowed out book filled with triggers that will prompt the sulfuric acid to be forcefully discharged upon the cover of the book being opened he then starts to give himself a pept talk relating to building up the confidence to deliver his package to his local post office he is very this is the first time you see him showing signs of being very very nervous he's worried that he'll accidentally set the package off by moving it too too quickly he's worried that he'll um when he's handing it over he'll get spotted so he takes his gun and a razor blade with him he also considered the idea of someone coming to him to collect the package but again he worried that it would discharge and cause harm to this person which he felt he couldn't do but he's really like he's bouncing up and down he's breathing slightly heavier now he's very worried about his plan falling apart on the way to the post office we live in a world of monsters do you understand that a world of monsters it belongs to them and soon I'm going to die with the monsters so I will die as a monster and I held up as long as I could my original plans were to wait until my parents die to do this but hey things change later that morning potentially staying awake all night Ricardo now wearing a baseball cap and having shaved off his goatee informs the camera that he is going to the post office to ship his letter bomb and that he is taking his gun with him in case things do not go to plan I will walk over there I have my handgun loaded in my sack here so if I don't return I just want to say goodbye to everybody and uh cuz uh certainly not going to get arrested I'm going to blow my head off can't be supicious that's the number one thing that the thing that scares me half to death is when you shake it you hear like bubbles Ricardo returns around half an hour later and informs his audience that he was able to mail the package successfully he says the following it went off almost without a hitch I touched it with my arm and part of the writing came off I was shaking but I was real cool and it's done will this be the suicide tape yeah this should be the suicide tape now that the package is on its way to Bork some of the very final preparations are required for Ricardo's ultimate plan 45 minutes after getting back from the post office he starts cutting all of his hair off with kitchen scissors including his eyebrows scissors don't know why that's a b I'm getting truck with no no it's it's like it's not even like sort of hair scissors it's and it's as close to the skin as he can get it takes ages mhm but he watch it yeah again I wouldn't watch it again I wouldn't watch it again it's he gives himself various Styles as well like he does bit of a you know Taxi Driver Mohawk type thing um shows the camera he's dancing while all this is happening the thing that's jarring as well is he always has the radio or the TV on in the background and there's like some really nice peaceful happy songs that come on throughout all of this and it's just so jarring seeing German see seeing him yeah do these things to that soundtrack is just yeah it's all a haunting watch but again if you have spare time I'll pop the full link cuz I've got the entire archive I've got a secret link uh which will we sharing our Facebook group it's popping off over there really is it is popping yeah it's popping off there's a great community over there so please do join in but um you don't need to watch the 421 hours to be part of the group he does all of this in front of the camera whilst Crazy Little Thing Called Love and Free Falling is playing in the background told you he then shares the remaining hairs off with a razor drastically altering his appearance he then starts to pose in front of the camera manipulating the same lampshade he had been using to construct his letter bomb and pulling faces at the camera [Music] [Music] [Music] Ricardo proceeds to cover his face and neck with body paint so it's definitely red um it looks like it's red and black to me but we've also seen online it's red people say red and green it's kind of a zigzaggy style it's a bit like um Darth Maul yeah kind of sty yeah um not to get too we're not going to get Star Wars again cuz you know what happens when we do that um but yes he then starts um doing different faces at the camera and manipulating his lampshade he loves manipulating his lampshade it also sounds a bit like innuendo sorry just being upstairs L shade um he also paints spikes head away from his neck and down to back and chest and he paints his nipples pink Benny and the Jet spell and John is playing in the background and breaking through by the doors also playing in the background so yeah let's talk about this body paint a little bit all right so there's two different F well there's three different theories about why he did this the main one is to make himself well obviously with the removal of the hair the eyebrows is to make himself look completely unrecognizable to himself before he does what he goes on to do that's the most prominent re reason behind it the other thing is or the other theory is that he wanted to do this so that whoever found him he knew it was going to be a horrific scene for whoever found him so he felt that painting his face would make it less terrifying which in fact I think it has the opposite effect I get it if it's red and then this is going to be very graphic just a little warning but um obviously if he's shooting himself in the head the um blood and the innards of the head the red paint already being there might make it or might make it look double gross gruesome because he does these so the on his neck it's like um spikes almost so it almost looked as if he wanted to have the outline of the head being again so graphic I'm sorry he he was using hollow point ammunition which he assumed would make cause a lot of splatter um and it and it will get onto it it didn't I think it's to make himself look completely unrecognizable because in his last hours he is picking up this little mirror and looking at himself tons of times and then the the third and final theory is that he wanted to look nice for Bor B wanted to look like that for her yeah I don't know I think it's the unrecognizable to himself one personally but who knows yeah I think yeah that would make sense Ricardo then says he's ready to roll and paints the best of me September 12th on a canvas before placing it behind the chair on which he plans to take his own life the plan supposedly being that he wished for his brain matter to be projected onto the canvas alongside those particular words photos posters and magazine curtains at bork still cover most of the walls of his apartment he had gone on to say I'm not nervous at all actually I got to write some things for the FBI I'm going to paint that now I'm ready to roll the manager is downstairs that's the problem eventually the Builder manager leaves Ricardo starts to become visibly nervous and it almost seems as though reality is somehow trying to retrieve him from this fantasy world unfortunately he was not swayed away from his plan Ricardo then puts on his favorite Bor song I remember you and at 2:44 p.m sits down on the wooden chair in front of a camera revolver in hand okay it's time I've got my gun what are my last words well [ __ ] the world that's my last words and [ __ ] bu her and her NW loving self the chances of it being entirely successful like I said before I'm not going to count on it but nonetheless it's out there already and I was going to die anyway not because of her but because of my own reasons this is the last few minutes of my life I'm getting a little nervous now I'm definitely not drunk I completely am not depressed the gun is cocked back it is ready to roll I'm nervous now this death is for you BK for you to see it everything else in my life that I fantasize about I've accomplished oh I'm nervous all right I'm taking my last breaths a few seconds Victory trigger warning here uh this is going to can become very graphic I'm sure you can see where this is going we're entering the part of the case where Ricardo is about about to take his life Ricardo then puts the revolver in his mouth fires the trigger the bullet travels straight upwards and causes a bump to appear on the top of his head it doesn't exit he groans in pain as he falls the floor and out of the camera's view he begins to bleed out and his Bells on the floor the audio of which was caught by the camera Ricardo Lopez died at the age of 21 hop to unite with Bor in heaven yeah part of this which made it particularly gruesome is that Ricardo had opted to use a hollow point ammunition which he assumed had would would basically cause the majority of his brain matter and skull fragments to be sort of I hate to say it but sort of sprayed or plastered onto the canvas that he put behind him when in fact it causes much more internal uh trauma as we kind of saw in the Oscar Pistorius episode so that would explain why it didn't actually exit and there it would have caused severe injury uh inside his his mouth and his and his and his brain and his head it's it's horrific and yeah as Tom's described you can then hear what sounds like a flowing river um of of liquids leaving his body on the floor it's it's yeah harrowing I feel sick yeah how long's the camera rolling off the it is ended by the FBI I believe but it's rolling for a good 10 seconds after you can hear the water it or the liquid it's September 16th 1996 a foul odor is reported to the police as the neighbor below Ricardo's apartment also started to notice what appeared to be blood emanating from the floor of his apartment police obtain a second key to the apartment where they discover a lifeless Ricardo as well as the instructions for the FBI and what appeared to be bomb making equipment so yeah the scene itself cuz there's writing all this this note for the FBI is in like huge lettering painted all over the walls of his apartment um and it's amongst various posters and images of of buk that were stuck to the walls he kept as well in the final seconds of his life he kept looking past the camera um and it speculated that he had a large that he was looking at a large poster of buk just before he did it so the FBI as well as the bomb squad were called in immediately uh the FBI then reviewed the crime scene as well as the subsequent videotapes and the entire building was evacuated for several hours within a few more hours it was established that a letter bomb had been sent to burk's London address and the FBI contacted Scotland Yard I think that they because they opened they saw that the camcorder was right in front of where Ricardo's body lay on the floor they opened it and saw that he'd already written last tape Ricardo Lopez so they reviewed that tape straight away and obviously that contained him showing the uh the bomb packaging it going to the post office and then his last minute so they knew straight away what had happened and immediately trying to contact the British police fortunately British police were able to intercept the package at a post office in South London so yeah it had managed to get to England without going off it was taken to a remote location and safely detonated two things were immediately revealed which could quite possibly have irked Ricardo but perhaps not have changed his ultimate plan number one being that buor would never have received the package as all of her mail was vetted and opened by her management before it got to her so it could have caused a severe injury to part of her management team and number two buk and Goldie had actually ended their relationship in the week prior to Ricardo uh taking his life uh some have speculated that could have even been the actual day before um you know his final tape so there were two big updates there that probably he hadn't quite factored into his plan yeah it's horrifying it's I'm sure there's more things come into play and um there's a lot more stringent testing on packages and things like nowadays but yeah scary to think that it managed to travel that way and now we're going to move into a little bit of aftermath about this case so in the 18th of September buor made the following statement in reaction she is not the first to be pursued by a crazed fan but seldom does such fanaticism result in tragedy at her London home today where she lives with her 9-year-old son bu said she was terrified by the news it's just kind of a very sad thing you know obviously when somebody shoots their face off you know it's terrible people shouldn't take me to literally and and and get involved in my personal life I make news of the people you see she said a card and flowers to Ricardo's griev family she then also hired additional security for herself and her son saying the following in an interview a year on from Ricardo's death I was very upset that somebody had died I couldn't sleep for a week and I'd be lying if I said it didn't scare the [ __ ] out of me that I could get hurt and most of all that my son could get hurt Ricardo's family were aware they was obsessed with buor they considered him a huge fan rather than a potential stalker at one point his brother George had told him to get a real woman you're obsessed all of the family maintained that they had no idea that he harbored violent thoughts or was capable of violence with regards to the apartment that this all took place in um it's still standing to date um so there's a there's a Google street view of that so I I'll again I'll pop that in our Facebook group we'll pop it up a quick image for you now as well but you can yeah you can see the actual room that he was in was the top left one which is partially uh partially covered by a bit of a palm tree um but yeah always find that quite quite harrowing different case we usually done is also quite rare that there's so much I know we've only just done the tin the Tinder killer case where that's one of the cases where we' said surveillance Fage wise there's like so much in that case comparative to a lot of cases we' covered where this one having an actual video diary all the way through in such the extent I don't think we've covered any that has had that obviously we had others before where it's kind of Elliot Roger and Randy staired similar but not to this extent so yeah it's it's um a very yeah dark watch and yeah the footage as Bens said is readily available out there very upsetting episode um but one that we were yeah certainly I was fascinated with back a few years ago and it's still going through this now in a bit more detail it's yeah just really really sad that um you know with the right interventions the right support in place he did still you know he was a gifted artist um he was you know in some of the things he said very eloquent and clearly intelligent and there's arguments with regards to his mental state that he knew exactly what he was doing and you know could not be diagnosed with any underlying mental health conditions there something people that still believe he knew exactly what he was doing and that's what he wanted to do and how he wanted to you know bring things to a close which is also that in itself is quite is quite scary yeah very well put um a very dark one but yeah that is the case of Ricardo Lopez the Bor stalker or the B stalker I there's no way I think I've pissed people off throughout the episode cuz I keep switching sides that's fine that's fine people are going to be angry at me saying the other way and it's just the way it is and Dan nailed it so just pick and just stick with it tried yeah all over the place and Ben I'm sure all the the listeners and the viewers are desperate to hear this week's cryptic clue for next week's case throw me in get in you [ __ ] okay Benjamin Carter's cryptic Clues everyone gather around for some clues that can be quite cryptic but he's going to give them to you anyway hope you can figure them out wow um so this will be for episode 10 uh wow we we're flying through the series um Here We Go episode 10 next week that's frilly Chris Griffin that's frilly Chris Griffin that's actually probably the best one so far I have to hold my hands up it's the most Rush one I've ever done future Just go with it because you you're not breaking the rules that I think you break where you use the word in the thing so that's fine by me Dan seems to hate it we started the episode and I forgot about my segment and tomson's my best one yet so Dan's not so sure cool that's frilly Chris Griffin I don't hate it there you go I think people will figure it out so hope you guys found that case as interesting as we do and uh thank you so much for listening if you just are sitting there going I've listened to all the episodes of series but I really would like more content ideally a little bit shorter cuz I'm doing things I'm doing bits and Bobs I'm busy then why not head over to the website IC map. co.uk and we've got 17 7 7ish mines over there available for audio or visual got great community over there or if you're listening to us on iPhone you can go to Apple podcast search I can murder minisode and you can get all the audio versions over there I'd say that's almost about 80 hours of content Tom almost yeah you're watching you watching his diary four times that's a lot good god wow yeah but you don't see as much of Ben as you do of him all of it no unless we do sort of arrange this watch along you you you you naked eating two Papa John's no punishing yourself and hugging yourself um see what happens you know sure sure you can get live streams of anything these days can't you yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah shaving your head safety scissors craying up the ass anyway thanks for watching guys but yes guys like we always say we say this all the time keep doing what you do well unless just just use the dips that Papa John's come with don't use the acid my advice it can be quite acidic anyway with the sauces and dips tomatoes are quite acidic unless it's not taking time in your weat to give yourself a little hug um is it is nice that's like a bag in a way yeah in a way you know where I know what he's yeah you cheeky [ __ ] anyway all the best guys to little bip see you later [Music] [Music]