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Insights from Interview with Kash Patel

[Music] cash Patel welcome to the show man thanks so much for having me here in Tennessee I appreciate it it's uh it's an honor to have you here and uh you're welcome so Brad giri linked us up with uh the whole debacle that he's going through right now and um and uh so man I've just been diving into everything that you're doing and love what you're putting out and um just I'm thankful that you're here so thank you for coming no I appreciate it and thanks for giving Brad a big Podium we need to back guys like that and so many others so it's great to be here and yeah happy to go over where you want to go all right well everybody starts off with an introduction here so cash Patel you served multiple senior roles in government most recently is the chief of staff to the Department of Defense Deputy assistant to the president on National Security Council and deputy director of national intell Ence in the Trump administration at NSC you oversaw the execution of several of President Trump's top priorities including eliminating Al-Qaeda and Isis senior leadership and safely saving dozens of American hostages before joining the NCSU served as National Security advisor and Senior councel for the house permanent select committee on intelligence you previously served as a national security prosecut UT at department of justice under the Obama Administration where you oversaw the successful prosecution of criminals aligned with Al-Qaeda Isis and other Terror groups you served as the doj liaison officer to Joint Special Operations Command guessing that's where you met giri that's right that's where I learned everything since leaving government service you have authored critically acclaimed books most re most recently government G gangsters and authored two children's books you're the founder and president of the cash Foundation a 501c3 that raises money for legal defense matters education programs tuition assistance and financial assistance for our active duty military and Veterans you currently sit on the board of trump media Technology Group host of Cash's corner on Epoch TV and you are a senior advisor to president Trum Trump you also serve as the senior fellow for National Security and intelligence at the center for renewing America I can breathe again I can breathe again quite the uh quite the resume there am I missing anything that uh it's yeah you're uh uh it's uh embarrassing to have that read to you I hate when people do it uh but I appreciate uh all the subjects and places I was able to go in a very unplanned route so it's pretty cool yeah that's uh that's a that's a hell of a journey to say the least and uh what what seems to be I mean what a fast-paced career wow but uh so I kind of want to break this interview up into a couple of different uh sections first I kind of want to talk about because you were so deep and intelligence I'd like to talk about you know what you think some of the top threats Andor priorities that the US should be looking at uh from a geopolitical standpoint on a world scale and then I'd like to transition into what are we facing inside the US I mean we're in some uh yeah very interesting times we have been for what about the past at least 8 n years yeah and the media Cycles just keep getting weirder and weirder so to say the least so I W to I want to pick your brain on on what we're facing here at home because everybody knows we're facing something yeah and uh when it comes to the Deep State you seem to be one of the one of the most knowledgeable figures out there so yeah we'll kick it off I guess you want to start with external okones and then work our way back in or yeah we'll start with external but um first I have a I have a subscription account over on patreon there're there are top supporters that've been here since the beginning they were super excited when they heard that you were coming on and uh we got a whole slew of questions but um that's one of the things I do is I give them the opportunity to ask each guest a question so I got two questions for you uh this one's from Kevin stz he wants to know if you're going to be the next attorney general if Trump gets into office uh you know it's it's humbling to ever be considered for any government position cuz like you we did the job as a service to the American people that's what we signed up for none of the uh media exposure or any of that stuff we ever cared about and so for me you know I told the president president Trump the same thing when when when we when he decided he was going to run again I said I'm all in to help you win whatever it takes uh I'm your guy and I November 5th should he win hopefully wins and he wants to have that conversation you know it's up to him he's the president he's a commander-in-chief and he gets to arrange the deck chairs as he wants but um for him I'd go back in do you think that's where you would be best utilized I don't know I mean that's like an impossible question I I have no idea where uh that sequencing is going to land and it also depends on all the the other folks that are surrounding the president and the team he goes in with so you know whether it's an Intel position or or something in defense or whatever you know who knows it's it's the one thing I've learned about the senior leadership positions being around so many of them is you don't have to be the subject matter expert of that institution to run it effectively you almost don't want to have that leadership there because they're too tied into to the everyday operations and then what they do is they micromanage everything you need to have someone who is familiar and has operated with it but also at the same time who's managed a big ship and can understand the most important thing that Trump taught me was execute the mission and then get the hell out of the way for the people who signed up to do the job and so that's the thing I learned so if I go back and he wants me back and wherever he wants me uh you know I'll tell your viewers as soon as uh he makes that decision if he does right on when do people generally find out if they're going to be in the cabinet or on the staff you know the funny thing about my career is I'm not even I guess I'm in politics but like I never was right and then I got out and people like you're in politics I'm like well I've never run for office I'm never going to run for office I'm not in the RNC the DNC or whatever party this that or the other things apparatus but I guess just because of the close positions I've held with the president in continuing to serve um um I've learned that whatever or however it was done is not Donald Trump's way so I think that's what's appealing to him to the American public about him and so I don't know when he's going to stack it if knowing even though I know him as well as I do and I talk to him all the time he probably has his cabinet laid out in his mind he's just not going to tell people and he's going to do what he does which is continue to ask probably everyone he sees about their opinions and he might change his decision on it so it's very the vice president's the probably best example that came down to the last second you know the last day last Wire yeah you know there's a couple folks in contention but he made the decision you know after hearing everything from everyone no kidding so I mean I'm just curious how how do you feel about that I mean there's no time to switch gears in your head none right so you just hey we're going to have you for X Y and Z and we're starting yesterday so or is there or is there somewhat of a hey we're looking at you you know to fill this slot and start getting your mind right yeah there's some leeway for everybody so what the campaign does and that's whatever they manage over there is they send out vetting packages to I think it was like eight people for president's president Trump's vice president candidates so they they knew they were being being looked at they had to submit this massive amount of information the campaign leadership with the president looks at it and then they make a decision so the guys and gals are on they're on notice for at least a month that this could be your deal um and I don't know the inner workings on the VP thing that's probably just like anything else people are lobbying for you you may be lobbying directly you may be doing media you may be on the road with the president I mean a lot of these folks were at president Trump's rallies a lot of them were doing serate work for him so I guess in my opinion I think he did it the best way possible he auditioned them in front of the American public there was no sleeper candidate it's not like anyone in the top three or four or five was someone people hadn't heard of they were all over the country with President Trump um they were doing TV interviews they were very vocal and very public and so I think the president was able to say I have a wide range of opinions coming at me for these folks and he was able to use that info interesting interesting next question is from Paul I think this is uh something on everybody's mind How likely is it that illegal immigrants will become undocumented voters it's probably already happening you know I mean whatever you think the number is it's at least 10 million if not 15 million right and you've seen liberal states go out and say we're going to house illegal immigrants we're going to give them IDs and we're going to help Finance whatever ever needs they might have for their families and themselves and so you got to ask yourself what's what's the point of all it like what are you bringing all these people here for putting aside the fact that some of them commit the most atrocious crimes we've seen in modern history what is the point of that from the Democrats and it's because you know this is the weapon I think they're going to use they've studied this for a while they know president Trump in my opinion has the best policy the best agenda and he's literally a president of people from Hulk Hogan to Dana White to rock stars to movie stars to Everyday Americans the military and to people that serve in government they just love his style of leadership and so I think the Democrats are smart enough to say well we got to figure out a new way to rig the election they caught us on 51 Intel letter they caught us on Russia gate so now I think what you'll see is some of these swing States come in and that's what people don't realize it's not the federal government that controls Federal elections it's a state government every state applies its own laws in my home state of Nevada there's no voter ID I went to vote and I bro broke out my ID and they go we don't need that I'm like how do you know it's me also not to mention the fact that you sent me two mailin ballots and so you I could vote three times and the system is not secure and say you have 5% of the illegals and say let's use a conservative number of 10 million right 500,000 people the last two elections were decided by 54,000 votes and four states you don't need a lot and that's the scary part wow wow so I mean at this point this may be a stupid question but if you got two mail in ballots and nobody's checking your ID I mean is it even illegal to vote more than once these days it's supposed to be but there has never been a process to question you know the the state byst state electioneering methods and rules and laws you know we had the uh what was that famous Bush Vore the paper ballot I forget what you call it uh issue and then it went to the Supreme Court um but that was one state in one election and so I honestly I don't know how you get people to enforce those rules because it's up to the state Secretary of State and State Attorney General are we going to look at it or we not going to look at it they're not going to look at it in Michigan or Minnesota they're not going to look at it in Pennsylvania they're not going to look at it in Georgia Georgia's been very public saying we're not going to look at any of this and so if your elected officials aren't going to look at it what's your alternative so there's legitimately nothing stopping somebody in Nevada from just voting and going to the back of the line and voting and going to the back of the line and voting and going to the back of the line as Sir so the one last measure that people have is bringing private suits civil suits in the states so for instance in Nevada we are bringing multiple lawsuits to purge the voting roles right so people think I'm not the election expert I can't talk to you about machines or B whatever you know it's not my wheelhouse but before all of that are ballots and before all of that is who gets a ballon who gets one mail to you from Carson City for us right from Reno um everybody that's on the voting squirrels okay well let's take all the dead people off let's make sure all the illegals aren't on so if you eliminate the problem before it even starts by going to Federal Court excuse me state court and federal court and cleansing the ballot Scrolls then they don't get a ballot to get in line and do it all over and over again so that's what we're doing there and there's a couple other states doing that I know they're doing that in um Arizona Wisconsin and probably one or two other states and there's really five states at play at the end of the day for this thing five states are going to make this selection what five states Arizona Nevada Wisconsin Michigan Pennsylvania maybe Georgia but that's it wow wow one in five of us has learn a new language on our bucket list not sure what's up with the other four but if you're that one make this your year to finally learn a new language with Babel wasting hundreds of dollars on private tutors is the old school way of learning a new language Babel's 10minute lessons are quick and handcrafted by over 200 language experts ready to get you talking your new language in 3 weeks 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a month exclusively at vigilance Elite patreon so is there any Headway in Nevada yeah we're doing it's it's actually going really well we're finding people who shouldn't be on the Scrolls and the courts have to say okay get these guys off and so the issue for again all these states have different rules and I think two states have early voting that starts 60 to 75 days ahead of November 5th right so you got to get in on the action before then some states have 30 and 60-day early voting meaning ballots start going out that early so you have to clean the srels by then so hopefully some of these initiatives pay off by then it's paying off in Nevada um and and the work that Nevada GOP is doing is is is pretty incredible on it that's good to hear you know I want to move in because of all your time and intelligence I definitely want to talk about some of the external threats from the US uh or of the US but since we're talking about courts and legal jargon and that definitely is your wheelhouse I used to be man I'm a retired lawyer I never want to do it again well what I want to talk about is the two-tier justice system everybody talks about it but and I think everybody knows you know something's going on but I'd love to hear you describe what the two-tier justice system is and and just go into some detail about it in short the two-tier system of justice is the Deep State's weapon of choice and I just and I don't mean just in court I mean in the administrative State too in all three branches of the federal government and in applications at the state level so I used to be before I started doing everything I was a public defender uh for years I defended the worst Humanity had to offer including terrorists um and the one thing I learned in that job was you know our due process and our constitution applies to everyone or it doesn't work and that's not that's exactly what our founding fathers wanted so I actually went in there and I was like give the worst of the worst it was funny and ironic because all these liberals became public defenders I became a public defender because I thought going to court was fun and litigating and investigating was cool and these people would come in and my colleagues would be like I don't want that case I don't want that case I don't want this case I like we don't have a choice you took this job because you're supposed to defend everybody so the irony for me started there but it wouldn't piece together till years later and so meeting out that singular system of justice for everyone became a big part of my job and then when I went forward through my career and when I got to DC and Main Justice and jck and all that I would start seeing people in government like places like the FBI and Senior leadership positions and doj making prosecutorial decisions based on a political election you know my first big instance of that was Benghazi I was the I was the main justice lead prosecutor for Benghazi for a while no kidding and um I remember this meeting with then AG holder and we had a deck of like 19 guys we wanted to prosecute you know um J sock had them rolled up and we wanted to get them all they killed four Americans you know it's a ter legit terrorist attack and the basic General response from the FBI doj leadership was well it's only politically convenient to get one guy and they went and got basically the wrong guy and then we prosecuted that wrong guy not that he wasn't a part of it he just wasn't like the top tier of guys I would have gone after and they screwed up the prosecution cuz they didn't listen to us and they didn't want to use the right evidence and it was all political decisions it was what do you mean they didn't want to use the right evidence they wanted to you know CU all half of that stuff was classified and they wanted to I didn't piece this together then because we didn't have the whole Fallout from Benghazi the hearings and the Congressional review that would take time to come in but they wouldn't let us prosecuted I think 16 of the 19 that I wanted they didn't want half this evidence Declassified and I was like who they well the leadership at doj FBI and the Intel Community obviously played a role in that and so you know we were just like all right we'll do the best we can and for example catala uh greenb River the guy that's getting that first got prosecuted he is getting out for his participation in moghazi where he killed four Americans he'll be out of prison before the next Presidential election's done are you serious yeah why why would we why why I mean I don't mean to laugh at it because it's just it's just it's so atrocious because they charge him with the wrong crimes nobody at the F doj wanted to listen to How to turn Intel into evidence into a public display in a court of law you know everybody working on the case thought they were the best at everything and the decision from the top down is we're only doing this guy and if you get the prosecution wrong which what the [ __ ] what the [ __ ] are we doing man I don't know bro what are we doing why are we even in what the [ __ ] are we doing it was my first uh kind of foray into it in terms of the two-tier system of justice and it wasn't happening outside right my first experience with that was public defender land now it's internal now it's the administrative application at the executive branch level um in Washington DC and you know then you have Russia gate then you have all these other things we'll talk about but the best I guess definition of the two-tier system of justice I can come up with for your audience is the classified documents case which one which one so let's use the two presidents right um president Trump gets his home rated on a bogus WhatsApp warrant which the FBI leaks to the media do you know what whose name is in the FBI's WhatsApp warrant for president Trump that was 65% redacted Trump's name and my name then they redacted everything else after my name which once it finally came out it was completely meaningless BS um then they go in there and they stage that photo display and every every body's like oh my God look at all this classified materials what they don't explain to the American public is he's a president former president presidential records act Bill Clinton did the same thing every president performs on the same thing they can take what they want that's the law then so you can't be prosecuted for possessing classified documents well can I can I add and I don't know what was in the documents but I mean if you take and I can't remember who I had this discussion with it may have been uh Tim parl but yeah if you take I mean when people say classified documents taken taking classified documents wherever toor Lago or or Joe Biden's garage or wherever the wherever it was I mean a lot of those documents people they make it sound like it's the nuclear codes or it's it's the it's the it's but what it actually is at least what it sounds like to me or what I've been told is a lot of it is just the daily just the daily schedule hey today you're giving a press conference here you're doing this here you've got lunch with so and so you got a couple of meetings and then that day is over and that is no longer classified because it's already happened but obviously you can't get the president's schedule out before it happens because am I correct in saying some of these documents that they're saying are classified are are are that type of you're correct but my point is under the law it doesn't matter if he had the nuclear codes okay the presidential records act and Bill Clinton took literally recordings of a classified conversation and took him when he left the presidency and he put him in his sock drawer it's called The Clinton sock drawer case no [ __ ] they went to Federal Court the government and the federal court adjudicated that President Clinton as a president has the presidential records act he can take what he wants the court never even found out what was on the recording it's that strong and that's that's the law so then why does this doj come in and say well it doesn't kind of apply to Trump and then you interview Joe Biden and you he was never president he had four different locations of 20 years of classified information Delaware his offices in Washington DC and two other locations his beach house and somewhere else but their excuse to not prosecute Joe Biden was well basically he's too inept he's too feeble-minded so we're not going to prosecute them that that's I've never heard that that's that's legitimately uh why they didn't that's what the special counsel appointed the investigation told attorney general Garland and Garland came out and literally said well we can't really we don't think Joe Biden meant to do it and I was like what I was like we're back to the Clinton case the Clinton server case right it's like when Hill when when Comey created this new legal fiction no reasonable prosecutor first of all it's not the FBI's job to ever make a prosecutorial decision but no reasonable prosecutor would bring this case I was in the National Security division at the time I was doing the discovery for Benghazi where we found her freaking email and then they took that investigation away from us and then it became the Clinton investigation right that everybody now knows about I was like who's this guy talking about and then I didn't think it would happen but it did came back full circle with the Biden Administration the Biden prosecution classified docs and they let the guy off the hook and they just said doesn't matter so we'll prosecute a guy who has a legal justification to have those documents because we don't care it's Trump and we won't prosecute the sitting president because you've made up a new legal standard that applies to exonerate him and to not even charge him that is the two-tier system of justice on steroids and now you're talking about the two guys who are running against now they're not but two guys who were then running against each other for the Pres presidency of the United States how where else is this happening man everywhere um unfortunately so we saw it every day on people who are Indigent and charged with serious offenses who were treated differently than folks who were you know highlevel private sector individuals I mean if you go to the fraud cases out of Wall Street or whatever you know these guys get to go to Club Fed for you know a couple years couple 10 years whatever but the poor guy down at the end of the ladder he's going away for 40 yeah you know it you don't need to be a legal expert to have seen this over the years and the classified documents case that's just you can apply what they did there out to what they're doing to certain Jan 6 defendants and I always say this about Jan 6 some people committed some pretty violent stuff they need to go away but when you're bringing in the 65-year-old grandmother who doesn't have any priors and she's held without bond for years to force pleas so that you can weaponize and politicize the two-tier system of justice even further so that Christopher Ray the FBI director can go to Congress and lie and say domestic terrorism prosecutions are on the rise because they classified everything jan6 is domestic terrorism and so that he can say him and meric Garland can say oh we've got a thousand people under investigation for this Insurrection this Insurrection that no nobody was ever charged for but it's a political narrative and it's tough to defeat it sounds pretty lethal you know storming of this hijacking of that Insurrection but when you look at some of the people involved their lives have been destroyed by the justice department because of a political vandetta they want to enact through the justice system to take out Trump where how long has this been going on decades but it started slowly I think Eisenhower was the first sayate in the 50s and he started it with the defense industrial complex he basically said paraphrasing if you don't control this animal it is going to take over Washington DC and is going to take over the purposes of the government's departments and agencies and to me there's probably no better example than the defense industrial complex but once you layer that in and you combine that in with what people in these leadership positions for so long have done which is use Washington as a revolving door I don't see it as a Republican or Democratic thing I see it as a swamp thing I see it as a who's running these agencies and departments where do they go afterwards and how do they get back in and all of these people have connections direct lines um of Employments from the private sector to Washington and back to to the same firms to the same lobbyist the same defense and contractor big agency and uh it's been going on for decades I think when Trump hit the escalator these guys got on steroids because they didn't care that he was a republican the Republicans were back him they just didn't want him there to expose the corruption of the swamp to expose the Deep State and you saw more Republicans in Trump's Administration for example his Deputy attorney general Rod Rosenstein agreed to wear wire because then deputy director of the FBI Andy mccab supposedly another Republican went to the number two cop in the country and said I need you to wear wire so we can get information use the 25th Amendment against President Trump it's kind of ironic now that we've seen Joe Biden and what the 25th is supposed to be used for and what these guys wanted to do to exact a political Vendetta remember Trump exposed we exposed during Russia gate Andy McCabe's criminal activity while running the FBI we exposed Rod Rosenstein's criminal activity while signing an illegal fisa burying evidence of innocence and lying to a federal court just to surveil a sitting president of the United States we caught him and they will go to they will stop at no length to get him let's go back you said the 25th Amendment what is the 25th Amendment so a long time ago basically Congress and and the cabinet secretaries got together and said what if something happens to a sitting president not an assassination but just some he has a stroke he's completely in a coma you know the worst of the worst right then how do you how do you govern because technically he's not dead so the there's no mechanism to kick in the vice president to president so the 25th Amendment basically says the vice president combined with the cabinet goes to Congress and says the president's incapacitated here's what happened the VP then becomes the president okay okay so well I guess we're bypassing the uh okona threats for the but but hey we're on a roll here so so let's get into the deep State cuz it sounds like that's what you're talking about yeah what is it it is an a political entity that operates in government to service itself instead of the American people and what I mean by that is it's it's leadership positions across government whether it's doj FBI DOD CIA whatever combined with underlying positions that are pretty senior up who work with um mainstream media entities to perpetuate frauds on the American people to commit government corruption and to stay in power and to lie to the American people and to Rob them of the truth that that that is the singular purpose of the deep State because they think once the truth gets out their their corruption is going to be exposed they they might get prosecuted for breaking the law and once that happens you have an explosion in DC well I want to I want to dig in a little bit more on who who exactly is it I mean I think vet gives a great explanation of what it is but I'm always curious to hear what everybody else thinks and but it just seems it seems so well organized to me it is oh so who's at the end of it is it a country is is it us politicians is it the world economic forum like where it's so well orchestrated there has to be an organizer and so who is the organizer I don't think that there's one specific organizer I think there is a group of organizations that have participated in it for a while the world economic forum is a piece of it certain politicians are a piece of it certain people who become AGS directors of the FBI directors of the CIA Etc are a piece of of it and of course the mainstream media is a big component of it all of those entities partner up together to take over Washington DC and instead of doing the job for the American people they come out instead come up with government boond doggles that pay them sells billions and billions of dollars or their friends billions and billions of dollars which is our dollars and they want to make sure that that keeps going over and over and over I'll give you a perfect example who cares if you've ever followed rushia gate or any of the stuff about the Deep State Chris Ray the director of the FBI and Rod Rosenstein the deputy attorney general then of the doj were tasked with helping us at Congress where I ran the Russia gate investigation to expose Russia gate we went to them and said look you guys didn't do this help us expose it and they both doubled down you know what they did they launched an investigation against me the senior Congressional investigator for rushia gate on the house intelligence committee and six other staffers they use grand jury subpoenas to get my personal information my banking information my emails my cell phone information everything else I didn't find out till 5 years later when Google called me and said hey our fiveyear notification is lapsed we can now tell you the doj surveilled you and we had to turn over documents so that became that we exploded that into a federal lawsuit that's still ongoing in the doj and FBI but those two guys hold on what so Google informed you that you're being surveilled five years after the investigation started right what what what I mean what more did they tell you they're not allowed to say anything but that you can be informed now since it's 5 years later so as a former National Security prosecutor I know you don't just go to Google you go to Every provider you go to all the telecoms you go to the bank you go to everybody if you're going to run investigation that's what you do but these two guys who are running the FBI doj sat in a room with the chairman of the house intelligence committee and lied to our faces they threatened to investigate us which was bad enough right they actually did it and then these two guys would get exposed for Rod Rosenstein specifically for signing a fisa that was totally bogus and we've caught Chris Ray lying time and time again as a director of the FBI put these guys over here for a second Gina haspel who was the director of the CIA was London Station Chief um in England when Russia G kicked off under the rule of law in America if you want the Federal Bureau of Investigation to launch an investigation overseas you have to get permission from the head and tell rep in the England it's the DCI uh excuse me the station Chief so she allowed Russia gate to occur on British soil where there was a barroom operation to try to record some nub into spilling the beans on Donald Trump and they would use that to launch the whole rushia gate uh offensive Gina haspo later become Trump's CIA director and then when these guys got out of the administration do you know where Gina haspel and Rod Rosenstein work today where at Christopher Ray's old law firm as senior named Partners making seven and eight figures how is this going to get broken up they seem so deep I mean they're you just mentioned they're in our they're they're embedded in politics they're embedded in mainstream media they're embedded in intelligence agencies they are former top leadership of the military that's now embedded within the military industrial complex companies I mean it it's how many people are involved in this deep State thousands how would you even begin to dismantle it well I think the first Trump Administration was the beach head right people were just like you guys are full of it and we continued to put out the truth and years later people are catching up to a lot of that truth saying wait a second you guys weren't lying back then people being the American public that's the weapon we need and you guys weren't lying about impeachment they literally made up a piece of a phone call to launch a presidential impeachment and then put me in the middle of it by making up a meeting that never occurred but it sounded dirty at the time and then when we finally released the transcript everybody was like oh yeah there there was no quit Pro well nothing illegal happened here but the narrative had been out there now now you have President Trump as an as a president who was impeached for the first time in however many years and so they get their narratives right they don't necessarily care about the conclusory portion of their mission they use the mainstream media to say Trump's a Russian asset he's been impeached Patel is under doj surveillance for whatever investigation when he was never done I've had more mainstream media hits on me then I can count but they want the title narrative to carry the day Hunter Biden's laptop is Russian disinformation they don't care about the actual truth and so once you start stacking these together and you show the American public you were lied to you based your vote at the poll s on information that the government purposely withheld from you so that you would vote a particular way once you show enough Americans that then I think you have the movement that you need behind the leadership that we have in Donald Trump is my position to take a wrecking ball to the Deep State how so you go to DC and you remove all these positions right and you start enacting measures not of Retribution but of legal consequence y'all acted one way for instance the people that signed the 51 Intel letter right permanently suspend their security clearances forever everyone of those guys lied every one of those guys got caught lying you're talking about two former CIA directors a former NSA director and a former Secretary of Defense all intentionally to this day continue to lie and won't take back their letter okay you can stop making money from your security clearance there's a start then you go in and you get the Eric charmell of the world who've been publicly outed as utilizing Intel to inject a political narrative across mainstream America and you remove these people from government you have to go in there the same thing we're talking about the voting it's the same thing here you got to cleanse the Scrolls government service is a service we're not making you do it and if you break the rules and regulations you're out so that's a big part of it right then you bring in the new bench the new team then you're going to have to keep fighting the media and I think think we're slowly over the years have starting to win that fight because the more and more this the one thing I learned when I started Russia game my name was outed for the first time that the media is attacking you the more you're over the target who is it the who is at the head of it I don't think there's one person or one group I think it's it's people who know they're going to benefit from each other if they sign up for the program let's call it right and so again not a Republican or Democrat thing in the glossery of this book in alphabetical order I think there's like 65 people I Name by title and name just to show people how expansive the Deep state is and so there is no like one chain of command they report to instead what I believe they do is they bring in people that they can control the Obama still have heavy sway in that entire operation and so so do people that have been around for 10 20 30 years in Washington I mean I think it's already out there for the I mean how corrupt it is I mean that's why I I think that's why podcasts are doing so well right now and I mean I somebody just came in here in media and said that CNN's viewership is only about 50,000 at any particular point in time during the day that's pretty bad that's pretty bad it's atrocious and I'll give you an example from sort of the other end of the spectrum when Tucker was on Fox and this is not an attack on on the reporting it's just the it's just the way the pendulum has swung away from mainstream media in general when Tucker was on Fox and he was at the peak of his Show's viewership he was still onethird less than bill oilly when Bill O'Reilly was on Fox in terms of viewership wow so it had already started and it's again not because of the the the reporting I think it's because other people started to say I don't want to watch mainstream media anymore anywhere and the shows the podcasts the radios the series started becoming more and more and more and more popular and then they finally ran into what you talked about the CNN M msnbc's of the world Washington Post and what have you and people just said I've had enough but the problem is there's still a lot of people that subscribe to it out of sheer hatred for the other side and they'll keep pumping out disinformation and so our job my job is not to go and this is what I learned from one of my former bosses and now my friend Deon Nunes you know when I one day I figured out who paid for the steel dossier right I got the subpoenas I got the bank records I figured it out and before we could tell the world I figured out it was Hillary Clinton in the DNC and I went to Dev and I told him that in the morning he goes dude if you're going to start drinking at 9 a.m. get out of my office um because it was I mean just think about that back then that was an an insane thing to conceive that a political party would be responsible for financing Russia gate let alone having the Deep state in government execute it and so once I figured that out I thought okay we're good investigation over everybody can move on and Deon goes d dude now we got to spend the next four years telling the American public this happened and fighting the media because they're going to come up with narratives to attack you me the investigation Trump and anything else and he was right and I go okay so how do we convince how do we convince the other 45% of Americans he goes no you're missing it you need to convince the other 7% you convince the other 7% you win every election there ever will be and then it was what he was talking about I don't have the political experience he had he was talking about sheer politics numbers how you win elections and the numbers you need because you're never going to get that opposing 40% it's never going to come over to your way I don't understand how whoever owns the news organizations they have to see their business crumbling they are and so I've not I've yet to see any changes uh I've yet to see anybody try to to restore their trust in the viewers it just seems to be I mean are they just going to ride this thing until the wheels fall off or what's the plan here maybe I mean you've seen some C changes at the New York Times And when they did that there was like an internal revolt and the Sea Chang just kind of stopped so the people I think in charge they're not stupid they they see it they notice it you can't make up money not being there you can't make up viewers who stop buying your paper CNN did the same thing remember they fired like between a year ago and today they fired every reporter that was on their mainstream Network daytime Prime Time Shows everyone then they fired their CEO and there was another revolt and kind of paused again and you know so I think people see it that they see that there needs to be a course correction but they're so they can't do it though they can't do I mean just two weeks ago with the Trump assassination attempt what was CNN's headline it was Secret Service Russia's Trump off the stage yeah I actually took a clip of that headline so I never lost it and it says Trump Falls yeah that's what this DNN headline was when the guy got shot in the head so I mean I I been I don't I don't see any attempts to to rectify the distrust I no I think you're ultimately right I think my point was just some people see it internally and when they try to rejigger it they just get steamrolled um so is this like a CEO being steamrolled by his employees essentially and then I mean look at what happens you know over on MSNBC you know they take Ma and Joe Scarboro after the off the air after the Trump assassination attempt cuz they don't even they don't want that program to say the the false file disinformation that would have said had they had him on the very next day right but what happens the day after that there's a Revolt at MSNBC and they come out swinging the next day they're like oh we're sorry we didn't let them on they should have been on and they go out and say all the false terrible things that they were going to say because they hate Trump so is at the head of the news organizations that are part of the deep state or is that the actual reporters I think the heads in the in an ironic way I think the heads of the news organizations report to their big shows because those big shows carry their networks and they have so much Wasa built up that they can it's one of the only places I've ever seen where you can be like oh your CEO said X I don't care I'm doing what I want no kidding and for the most part for the people that participate in disinformation campaigns over at CNN over at MSNBC and wherever ABC CBS pretty much everywhere pretty much everywhere that's why well there's more reasons than that but that's one of the reasons why your show is so popular you you don't care about anything but the truth it's the only thing I've really ever cared about and I just didn't think it would be so hard in America to relay it where do you see this ending with the media you think they're going to go out uh they're not going out laying down do you think they'll be subsidized by the by the government well NPR already is right and that's probably what they want to have happen next that's probably what the CNN of the world want since they aren't making any money since their viewership is cratering and once as you know get a government subsidy like that you can say whatever you want and be sponsored by the by the government you know NPR should be completely retooled if not shut down until it's fixed because we're paying for it mean I feel like that I've thought this for a long time that they were going to crash and burn on purpose I've actually never vocalized this because what we've seen 2008 all the banks got bailed out yeah Airlines all got bailed out media organizations are all failing they're all going to get bailed out yeah I don't see why they wouldn't they employ a a metric [ __ ] ton of people that seems to be why they bail people out they don't want the job losses and then once they get barreled out by the government then guess what you are 100% I mean not that they aren't already yeah you know but um I think there's one more layer to it you're right about the money the employment uh the employees and and and and the attention they get the one more layer of it is how does that all benefit the people in Washington DC Insider trading I mean just look at Nancy Pelosi's insider trading deals it is insider trading and she keeps making up hundreds of millions of dollars so do dozens of other congressmen and women so they know what's going to happen they're writing the legislation they're doing the funding and it's the same thing for the media circuit these people not all of them but for the most part live and breathe to get on these TV shows I can care less if i' ever do media again in fact I'd probably be a much happier guy these guys are begging to get on your show for three minutes here and four minutes there they're begging for relevance and they're looking for any way they can get it so if the government and those folks were to bail them out well they must be they'd be on those programs on a daily basis and they'd be on your TV and they'd be a national figure they wouldn't do anything they'd come up with the next corrupt plan to Rob of the truth and Implement a system where we bend the KN to them do you think I shouldn't have any government officials on no I think I think they should just have people who care about questioning them neutrally again not a Republican or Democrat thing like if someone goes out there and specifically lies about Russia gate about impeachment about Insurrection about the 51 in letter call call them out on it but they keep having him on over and over and over and over again remember illegal immigration it was not a national security crisis for the first year of the Biden Administration for the second year of the Biden Administration for the third year of the Biden Administration now in the election year of the bid Administration it's an it's a national security crisis finally remember Donald Trump was a Nazi for dealing with it as a national security crisis and that allowed us to implement assets and tools from DOD and the Intel Community specifically go after that crisis but the media manufactured this disinformation campaign that nothing wrong at the border nothing to see here and now everyone knows that was a total hoax a complete scam and people in Congress went on their shows to double down on that narrative to say what a great job Joe Biden and the borders are Camala Harris are doing and now we have more Fenton all our streets killing more kids than ever before in the US we've got more rapists in our streets we've got more murderers we've got more heroin we've got more cocaine and we have more violent crimes and what does Joe Biden go up and tell the world the other day from the Oval Office after he decided not to run for president border crossings are the lowest they've ever been in my presidency than ever before during Trump and the media printed it I saw that I did see that that's um man I mean I I when I read that stuff I I like to thank every everybody knows that's a lie but I know I know that there's I know there's a good portion of this country that will read whatever that print is and take it as take it as gospel but that's the power of your program that's the power of your show you don't have just the goobers in DC watch it right you're so expansive from military to sports to entertainment to Hollywood to Everyday Americans that are so fed up with that garbage that they're actually getting educated you that's why you have the guests you have and and I think that's part of the transformation process and people always ask how you defeat the Deep s and I think you were asking earlier I'm like dude it ain't happening overnight even if Trump wins it ain't happening during his four years fully they spent decades doing this it's going to take a few terms to clean up yeah yeah I mean how do you get them out of government how do you get the Deep State out of government you deprive them of the opportunity to continue running the Deep State removing their security clearances the other thing I recommended in my book and I recommended president Trump too was you need a 247 declassification office whatever you want to call it transparency truth whatever I don't care sits in the White House reports directly to you and you take incoming from the United States of America I want JFK I want the 911 files I want the this I want that all the FBI and this is a tool this is something we didn't cover what the Deep state uses the most to cover up their corruption is an illegal application of the classification system remember the love birds text from this is a beauty the love bird text for FBI doj L Russia gate stro and Paige were texting each other who they were running the Russia gate investigation against Trump they were the head of the Counter Intelligence unit at the FBI and they're having an extramarital affair together can't make this stuff up they're sending each other text about how much they hate Trump and are going to create an insurance policy to stop Trump then we finally find those text messages you know what the FBI and doj do for like a year redact them to Congressional investigators and Congressional men and women running the oversight of their invest of their agency that's just one example but it gets even better here's the Deep State full circle just last week do you know what stro and Paige received from the Department of Justice what a 1.5 million payout to settle a lawsuit that stro and Paige brought for the improper disclosure of their personal text messages on FBI phones and the doj just rewarded them they broke the law they broke the chain of command they broke every regulation there is in the FBI they weaponized the system of justice against a political Target they hated we found those text messages and we got them Declassified finally in full when I became deputy director of National Intelligence and the world has now seen them and they can read them and that's the best form of transparency that's why I want this 247 declassification office don't have me regurgitated to you read it get the documents get the files get the memos but the Deep State came full circle and gave these guys a Payday for rigging a presidential election and breaking the law so now you know what happens that's step one step two get America the truth and that's what that office would be for if Trump gets in there do you think anybody's going to be held accountable yeah and here I think the only way I think the only way that the government ever gets confidence in the people again and I don't think they even give a [ __ ] by the way but is is to hold somebody accountable hold people accountable for what we've been seeing go on you're totally right the people that are running the seep sake don't give a [ __ ] because they're so arrogant they're like we're never going to get caught and if we get caught we're going to get rewarded like these guys like Annie McCabe who the doj rewarded him with his pension after we caught him lying to the FBI investigators while he was the deputy director leaking to the media improperly he goes out we fire him he gets out of just out of government he brings a lawsuit and the D OJ under Joe Biden reinstated his pension in full so how do you have accountability of stuff like that or a Comey or a Clapper or Brennan we haven't even talked about the Intel side of stuff um my version of accountability is a little different than maybe what most people would think I don't have a hit list I don't have a Revenge March I'm on I want the con you don't have a hit list I want the con I'll give you one I'll take it I simply want the Constitution to be applied to everybody singularly in government and outside of 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or that girl go to prison for breaking the law but that is not going to fix Washington DC you don't think so not you don't think that's an important piece of the puzzle here is to to hold these people accountable prosecute them imprison them maybe more is an example is an example to everybody that's coming after them if you do this is we're coming for you and this is what's going to happen I agree in full that it's a big piece of it but it won't fix the next man up behind them unless you can combine that piece with educating America that this is going on large cuz you're not going to get everybody right but if you get enough Americans in there to get Congress to do what they should be doing like Prosecuting mer Garland for breaking a congressional sub piece and violating the law he can send Steve B and Peter Nar to prison for violating Congressional subpoena but he can do it on his own right what I want is for people to get Congress to execute the authority they have on instances like this and have him held accountable there and then I want the doj FBI to be run by the Constitution I want the Intel communities to focus on our overseas threats in our border I want all of these people that join the ranks of government to respond to the needs of the American people it might sound pie in the sky but if you want to fix the if you want to fix it fix it I give you 50 things to do in here but if the American people aren't behind you then you won't have the accountability you really want I I mean are any of the stuff that we're seeing right now the word treason is thrown out yeah quite often is it actual treason for who for filling the filling the anything any of the stuff that's going on I mean I think what so many of these guys did whether it's Brennan Clapper Comey McCabe stro bar haspel esper what have you I think there's a lot of rule and law breaking and I don't know that it ever gets the level of treason singularly with any of them but what you have is a buildup of so many actions by the Deep state that it becomes borderline treasonous to allow those people and their activities in a collective fashion ever be applied to the United States what what is the definition of treason it's uh man going to stomp me here on on the law of it but it's basically committing an overt act to overthrow your government is treason um so they're not committing overd acts to overthrow our government what they're doing collectively is committing acts to rig our government and to stock it with people uh that they want in there themselves and their acolytes what would be the harshest P punishment you could see happening to some of these people um some of them being prosecuted I mean there's nothing harsher than that right your civil liberties are taken away from you and you're sent to prison it's about as harsh as it gets we can do the financials we I think we need to do parallel track civil civil suits and prosecutions um for monetary purposes against some of the big wigs in Wall Street and all that stuff that happens up in the financial racket uh insider trading stuff there needs to be a multitude of things done but I think the biggest punishment what what about stuff like the was it 51 inell yeah strip their security clearances forever remember every one of these people's in the private sector and you know this they use that to get seven and eight figure paydays to get big government contracts to go for big defense Contracting and intelligence firms right who owns their security clearance the US government who pays for it the US government so the dni can come in there on day one and said XXXX all the way down the line and they're not the only ones do you think that will happen if if Trump gets in that seems like a very easy task pull these clearances now I've seen it happen I've seen it happen at a lower level within the agency pull that guy's clearance here's the one look Trump speaks for Trump I've recommended that to him can tell you that publicly and to your audience I want him to do that because it's Justified it's not an act of Vengeance they have had the opportunity to recant and all 51 of them have doubled down and tripled down so pull them I I think he will but it will be up to you know him as his dni I mean it is legitimately that simple correct yeah not to men the amount of money we'll save and they're not they're just one example of the 51 right there's everybody that participated at the FBI in Russia game everybody that participated in FBI excuse me at doj in Russia gate all these people have clearances they all still have clearances gone same thing at CIA same thing at DOD same thing at NSA I mean the list will be massive the 51 is just a very public facing version of it were some of the other some of the other ways we could get rid of them in your book um the uh I should know the short form of the book better I'm failing on my chance to sell it uh I think I think we've talked about like the bulk of the ones I want to Personnel it's one thing we haven't really discussed restocking I don't consider it restocking everybody keeps talking about who's got the black book you got to go in and fill 4,000 jobs why who the hell said you have to have 4,000 people come in with you why can't it be a thousand no one's ever given me a good answer for that except that's the way we do things that's the way we do transitions that's the way the Deep State works okay well that's not really a good answer and then with you decrease the the amount of people in the Cog you've pre what the Cog what's the wheel you know the whole like wheel of government instead of having 67 people that can say no and don't want to follow your lawful command you just have a chain of command that goes from point to point right so I think you need way less people you don't need this massive number I think that is a fiction of the deep State not to mention again you save money then you need to do a whole bunch of thing with Personnel for like instance at FB you need to stock it with a director deputy director and the heads of the separate divisions same thing at CIA and DOD that are going to support and they the media again is distorting it already Trump's going to install loyalist cash tells a trump loyalist what does that even mean like if the guy gives me a lawful chain of command Authority you want me to not execute it that's unlawful if I violate it he was the president if he's the president again the same thing you know should apply so then we need to decrease what I call government creep with Personnel the FBI's footprint has gotten so freaking big and the biggest problem the FBI has had has come out of its Intel shops I'd break that component out of it I'd shut down the FBI Hoover building on day one and reopening the next day as a museum of the deep State and I take the 7,000 employees that work in that building and send them Across America to Chase down criminals go Be Cops you're cops go be Be Cops go chase down murderers and rapists and drug dealers and violent offenders what do you need 7,000 people there for same thing with doj what are all these people doing here looking for their next government promotion looking for their next fancy government title looking for their parachute out of government so while you're bringing in the right people you also have to shrink government so a massive government reform yeah you got to work with Congress to eliminate the billets this is one of the things we did when I was Deputy dni we got to dni and I was like okay what all these people do we've got the CIA so why do I have analysts doing the cia's job here why do I have a floor of them like give me a good answer I I don't know everything I don't know a lot but if you can give me an answer that satisfies their existence I'm all in well we just have our own people okay well now we don't and we went to Congress and zeroed out a bunch of billets and they hated us for it why why would Congress hate you for that not Congress the the public Congress is like great you saved this money you're the only agency that eared money this year cuz we didn't spend our entire budget we were literally funding seats with no humans in them for years and what the government creep that I was talking about is these agencies go to Congress every year and again this is why it's a thing of decades I need five more seats here I need 10 more seats here okay you keep doing that how's that going oh we'll fill that seat next year we're in the process of you know interviewing people for that section and it keeps no one returns money it's the biggest fiction in government that you can't return money every agency and Department that I've ever worked for when it comes to the fiscal end of the year they're like go on trips go spend money what just give it back to Congress we can't do that let's talk about fiso oh boy I might have to go to the bar well it's just a short uh distance from the chair so if you need that let me know can you go what is fisa for those just super simple right foreign intelligence surveillance Act fisa and the fisa court the fist the foreign intelligence surrounds court it's funny cuz the first word that comes into my mind is domestic but right right and that's a whole another deal with it so there was a a passage of legislation that it's int original purpose was there's a lot of Bad actors overseas namely terrorists who want to do American harm we need a better way to find out who they are and electronic surveillance Elsa as we call it is a great way of doing it through people's phones through people's computers through people's laptops you know through people's internet cafe signals whatever right but the American government didn't have an ability to just go and like plug in here and get all that so we created a law that allows us to go to a special Court to say if you the target of the fisa is one of two things an agent of a foreign power or acting at the behest of an agent of a foreign power you can be targeted under fisa and the probable cause standard is the exact same as it was if we were trying to get a warrant on a bank robber it's the same standard in terms of the level of evidence but you go before this court and you're supposed to show all this information to say look at the operation they're running and if they're an American citizen like Carter page was during the Russia gate FES you're supposed to do more to justify that surveillance because it's so intrusive American citizen but once you get a fisa and I use this all the time to man on terrorist around the world once you get a fisa you basically just Hoover in all this Intel all this data and on paper and in theory it sounds like a good idea I mean we use the fisa process to stop bombings in America you would think that's a good thing the problem is the people given the fisa authorities in the Deep State at the leadership levels they're the ones that abused it they're the ones that broke the law corrupted it and they're the reason we have such a Revolt in this country against fisa you talk about domestic terrorism or domestic surveillance these guys took that process during rushia gate and targeted an American citizen to get into a president's Campaign Of All American citizens not only that there's another application of fisa called 702 it doesn't matter all the logistics of it it's just a another Vector into how we collect certain data on emails and email Hops and phones of overseas people we're not supposed to use it here in the United States of America Chris Ray was caught last year illegally using 702 collection methods against Americans 274,000 times 274,000 times it's not my number it's in the report that they wrote the fisa court wrote it and then the fisa court and there was this big fight about 702 reauthorization I know might not be appealing to your audience but it was a big fight this this year to say we want fisa reform and fisa did need reform we exposed it and we gave you a bunch of reforms during Russia gay and it never got implemented so because the budget of fisa was up this this cycle we demanded Congress fix it and do you know what the majority in in the house where the Republicans did they bent the knee they Reed it why why I don't know I asked them and they said oh no we're just doing it for another year we're just going to kick the can down the road I'm like okay so the the other year you're doing it for is an election year we showed you how they abused fisa once already and then now you know about Chris Ray and all these other fisa abuses but you trust the director of the FBI this guy Chris Ray who went before you and said no no don't worry we fixed everything we're good and they gave him more spy Powers I can't answer that one and I could I couldn't get on board with that that legislative fix did they use that to surveil you they used as far as I know remember we're still in the process of suing them I don't know that they used the against me but they used all the other grand jury and federal investigatory subpoenas uh to surveil me and so how does that work do they just tap your phone or they talk to Google and yeah the mechanics of it right that's a great question so the mechanics of it the government doesn't own uh the private sector they don't own Apple they don't own Google they don't own Verizon they don't own Sprint right so they got to get Co cooperation from these agencies and uh from the excuse me private companies look it's just like if you were we we call it a T3 a title three warrant it's a wiretap if you in the mafia and you are federal prosecutor hunting down the mob you would go to a federal judge and say I need to tap this guy's phone line but that guy's phone line is owned by Verizon or Bell Pacific or whatever right so once you get the warrant then you go to the company and the company complies with a federal court order to give you the information okay and then what the what the government does most of the time is they go to the company and say you're not allowed to tell the target of the investigation that you're giving us this information hence the Google thing with me Google was ordered not to tell them about me me but 5 years later they could I got you something oh you heard of that yeah man that's awesome the unplugged phone yeah there's no advertising ID from Facebook Google I love any of those other places thanks man you're welcome so hopefully that'll help you with the oh I'm going to start using it right away long as I don't leave it right there send me your new number but um yeah you're welcome you're welcome it's um yeah Eric Prince developed the phone and and uh for situations like that and so that's the sad part right I love Eric's a friend one of the most creative minds I know that he has to do that as an American yeah that I have to write a book called government gangsters that Steve Bon has to make into a movie just to explain to America that the mob in government is worse than the mob that Whitey buer ran that that we have to explain there's a deep state that we have to do that instead of having you me and all our friends go do the jobs they signed up for in 2024 America that's the problem did fisa come through through the Patriot Act uh it came before the Patriot Act it's been around since like the 70s and the Patriot Act gave fisa a bunch more bolted on a bunch more tools okay because technology advanced cell phones Advanced Computers Advan Advance Wi-Fi advance so they had to add that stuff in would you like to see that go away no see I'm in the minority here no I mean it's got to be tough right I mean The Border's been wide open for who knows how long who knows I mean who knows how many terrorists have run through cartel members have well if we believe the the FBI director only 24 yeah yeah right the FBI director the FBI in general I me I made DHS same thing 24 they're literally saying only 24 so the mayorcas and Ray testified late last year or early this year I can't remember the Congress for an update they said 24 known foreign terrorists have come into America and we lost them and I was like wait a second there's multiple problems with this statement just 24 and you lost them like where the [ __ ] are they yeah wait why weren't you using the fisa process on these guys everybody's wired up these days okay that's I mean you know this better than anyone Al-Qaeda Isis all these guys they monopolized the cell phone Empire and figured how to use it so why don't you set your intelligence apparatus to prioritize this instead of Dei and white rage this is why this shit's happening but just think of what you guys you know this the terrorists are going to wait they're not going to do do it tomorrow or next week they'll wait like 5 years whenever they want the opportune time but it's happening now and that and as bad as that is I still think we need fisa to Manhunt those people down we just need people using it lawfully and it needs major major reform tons and I don't I don't I hate to say it but I don't disagree with you I mean especially with all the with all the terrorism that's come through the Border I mean it's we won't know and we were having this conversation you know breakfast about when they might hit and uh I think we maybe have a difference of opinion on that stuff or or different strategies which I'd love to go into but but how do you get rid of it with the amount of cartel and and terrorists and and members of the Chinese State you you raise a whole new we're not just using FIS on terrorists it's a huge foreign intelligence surveillance act it is a massive intelligence collection tool right how do we get the CCP what about the svr you know what about whatever Intel service in wherever that's against America if it goes away what are we going to do and if it doesn't go away then they'll just continue to spy on catch Americans unlawfully what do you think some of the what do you think some of the biggest threats outside of the country are CCP Russia and Al-Qaeda why Al-Qaeda because they're having a party in Afghanistan because of the disastrous withdrawal yeah I ran the the withdrawal in Afghanistan when I became Chief of Staff with the sect def we didn't have a timeline we didn't say we got to be out by this date we had the DI the diplomatic leaders doing the Diplomatic thing we were doing the dod military Intel thing we lost zero Americans U during our withdrawal we handed that withdrawal off to the Biden administration because president Trump ordered us to implement the biggest DOD transition in US history and we did the largest DOD transition which I literally LED and I said Call It Whatever you want the the Biden saving Afghanistan for the world thing whatever the new incoming SEF the chief of staff and all the other people are like f you go away we're going to do it our way and look what happened yeah so because we left all that Weaponry there because our withdrawal was such a disaster Afghanistan is a perfect example of not only our biggest failed Mission set but of our three adversaries I got out of fourth Iran our three adversaries coming together so al-qaeda's got weapon Russia and China went in there to mine the minerals and give them money so now they're all just hanging out making money doing stuff and that's the CCP and Russia hence they're combining forces there but Russia and the CCP are doing so much more adversarial intelligence collections against us against our electric grids and other things um but the biggest holistic CT threat is Iran you me you just mentioned that China and Russia are in Afghanistan mining the minerals do you want to elaborate on what minerals they're mining um not the minerals expert actually lithium correct lithium and Cobalt I thought it was was it just why would they be mining lithium yeah why uh uh because they want to give Elon Musk a lot of electric batteries so where I'm going with this is yes I'm aware of that as well they're line they're mining a ton of lithium we have this big green initiative in the country we want to go green but we don't want to produce any of our own they they sell it as self-sufficiency correct self-sufficient energy but it's not self-sufficient energy because we're getting all the batteries all the solar panels all the wind turbines pretty much everything it takes to have green energy from China they're mining the minerals that they need to do that from Afghanistan which we turned over and gave to them them so we spoke a little bit about the power grid and how vulnerable it is at breakfast so you I want to dive into that but just kicking it off when it comes to the power grid we're not going to be self-sufficient and we're going to be extremely vulnerable because literally all of the materials that we use for the new power grid come from China yeah 100% look it's the modern day Blood Diamond lithium and call what it is if you could celebrate it over here as some sort of green energy amazing economic environmental you know home run but like you said how are you get it out of Afghanistan you think these camps and mines these people run or above board the people in there working them are getting paid good wages what about the folks in Carr in Central African Republic in Congo doing the same thing how's their life it's the modern day blood diamond and the ironic thing of it all is if you ran a Ford pickup truck for 20 years it does less damage to the environment than the creation and and um removal at the end of a car Cycle's life of an electric battery that's the reality of the economics on an environmental scale but like you said we're we're the fools we're buying it from the CCP we're buying it from these places in central Africa we're buying it from people who have all ties to Al-Qaeda and what other version of you know offshoot they have and while the CCP is making a ton of money we're getting weaker we're getting we're just getting Bamboozled by our adversary who's making money off this entire process and the people around them that are participating are growing in strength and I think the best example to pull it out of the just the lithium space a little bit but bring it back on what I should have said in the top of the cycle is Iran is in my opinion the biggest kinetic threat and they're doing the same thing except they're not mining for lithium we're just giving them money what do I mean by that Joe Biden literally unfroze $7 billion that we had seized from the Iranian government like 25 years ago and gave it back to him to the mullers in Iran he literally turned the key and said okay you guys can have this money back we're going to trust you Iran not to create a nuclear weapon not to fund the irgc not to kill Americans not to watch launch another war in Israel uh via Hamas Hezbollah and you guys just report to us how the nuke stuff is going because remember these are the guys that wanted back in the jcpoa Obama's nuclear deal how's that looking today the Secretary of State for Joe Biden just said he can't tell you how close Iran is to a nuclear weapon but he thinks they're pretty close you let him do that you know they're buying their weaponry and stuff from China Russia Venezuela oil and now they're exporting their crude overseas and people are buying that now they have access to the international banking system which we froze off I mean Trump's sanctions program on Iran just for example was dominating Cru it was it was suffocating and there was a reason for that cuz they would not play ball in on terms of shutting down their nuclear program and now they have nuclear file material enough to sustain a bomb and the Biden Administration has given him free reign so now the biggest threat kinetically is armed with money and weaponry and they're combining forces with Russia and the CCP who would all probably normally be like battling against each other a little bit but they've basically sidelined that to say we are of the same en me the USA we need your Intel we need your Weaponry we need your finances and we'll help you Iran in the process because you hate America and you'll do the most outward leaning kinetic operations to it the October seventh invasion of Israel how vulnerable is our power grid it's probably the most vulnerable thing we have and people just don't pay attention to it cuz I don't know if because it's not sexy or cool to talk about or cool to work on but our power grids are like 60 70 years old it's going to be cool when the lights don't go out and PE exactly and people are like oh that just happens in that movie Die Hard or something Die Hard 4 whatever it was like no I mean it's one not that hard to shut off a power grid through a Cyber attack and once you get it down to get it back online I mean just think of it I don't want to get into the numbers there's not a lot of these things that control the electric supply to the country for people who don't know what a power G it's literally just like a switch that says you got electricity over here we're going to take it in and give it to you over there right it's just a relay system and we haven't upgraded those in forever and I'm not talking just physical infrastructure I'm talking how do we protect it from cyber attacks from the CCP from the yes from Russia and Iran and other Bad actors and we don't really have a focus here because that that's an Intel directive and to pull back on it the nippi the National Intelligence priorities framework is a president's racking stack of what they want the Intel Community to focus on tier one two 3 four for us in the Trump Administration it was terrorism hostages the never- ending Wars Iran the CCP Russia boom tier one and the dni with the president changes that based on what he wants and then the Intel community says okay CIA you got and I'm making up numbers you got 5,000 people on this this is your tier one for 5,000 people go same thing NSA DOD FBI given their specific lines of effort the nipi now it reads like uh children's Playbook tier one Dei you know uh tier one diversity equity and inclusion for every agency in Department tier one lgbtq stuff tier one you know white rage I and the people doing the work can't collect the Intel that you need to secure this nation against things like electric grids because they're not allowed to look there how vulnerable is it to outside attacks big it's big because once they hit it we can't fix it fast um look we just saw Paris during the Olympics just got blacked out ain't a coincidence after the opening ceremonies and we again I think president Trump has talked about this you need to overhaul the infrastructure around these systems to to safeguard us from the what I view as one of the easier threats our adversaries can deploy against America and it's also those are harder to trace too so that's the other thing the sourcing would be much harder on that than say a kinetic operation like a 911 style attack I mean is there is there any contingency plans up at the top on if that were to happen so there's this thing called Coupe Cog capabilities like continuity of government and everybody's heard about locations around America I can't really talk about but there's a continuity plan for government to keep going and for enough Personnel to be around to make sure we can do all those things and supposedly defend the nation and have the commander-in-chief and his cabinet secure and do all that but there's no contingency plan to say if you wipe out the electricity west of the Mississippi how we going to turn it on it doesn't exist I mean that's great that uh government's still going to function but yeah but I guess what I'm getting at is if the grid goes down we'll eventually just kill ourselves out of desperation there will be no food there'll be no water there'll be no medical there'll be no communication there'll be no nothing it'll yeah I guess it'll be like one of those End of the World shows you know um I mean is that do they talk about this up there at that level do they do they even understand what will happen if the grid goes down for um I know we did when when we were in I know we did and again this is a type of lift that you're not fixing overnight you got to get Congress is buying to budget this to allow the agencies Department to go in and make this a priority to allow companies come in and rebuild the infrastructure and fix it same with our nuclear programs and our nuclear Arsenal it's the same deal so we're [ __ ] I don't I think we have an ability that's why I think this election is so important not just for everything we've talked about to this point but in terms of National Security and defense which is sort of my wheelhouse we have an opportunity to come in and reprioritize all the things that you and I have just been talking about so that the American people are safeguarded because they've been neglected for too long because these are not been priorities of the current Administration and some of the prev previous administrations How likely is that method of attack do you think from Russia Iran Korea China something's going to happen if not already here's the other thing the Intel Community right now is playing ketchup on half these attacks because again it wasn't a priority to Pro preemptively detect them and thwart the attack and so not only playing catchup not not only is it a de prior deprioritization of intelligence collection enforcement you also don't have a will in DC to fix and upgrade any of this stuff so they're going to I've always said they're going to come at us in some fashion during this election cyle cycle I don't know exactly what that's going to look like or if we're going to know right away what do you think about what I was telling you this morning about the pristine opportunity to hit us when I was talking about I don't think I I wasn't saying I don't it's not a prediction it's what I would do and it seems to me we would be let's say Trump gets in day one of his day one of his presidency would be the weakest possible point that they could hit us yeah correct because from that point forward yeah the way I think the country will begin to strengthen so it would be at the weakest point on day one of his presidency and so if I was them I would wait until he is elected and hit on day one where as if they don't hit and Kamala or whoever they decide to stick in there I don't who knows right then we'll see four more years of weakening which will you enhance the probability of them coming out on top look I think that analysis is pretty spoton in terms of timely timeliness for our adversaries to decide on when's the most opportune time for them them to strike I think there's one other factor that we talked about at breakfast that uh May alter that a little bit which is there's so much bad stuff going on right now that our adversaries have collectively kicked off against us whether it's the Border whether it's the never ending war in Ukraine whether it's the um war in Israel whether it's the CCP and what they're doing are going to do in Taiwan whatever is going on in Africa whether it's Afghanistan and it's Resurgence of al-Qaeda there's so many things going on that I think an adversary that traditionally might have waited to that opportune day might come in in the interim and say these guys have no idea how to defend what we can put put out there right now so maybe they go now maybe they go in the interim in the next hund whatever it is four days or something like that um but they're gonna they've already done two things that three things that nobody said would ever happen started two new world wars in Ukraine in Israel and allowed China and the CCP to flex their muscles on Taiwan everybody's like that's never going to happen well it didn't happen under Trump but it all happen now and we haven't even talked about dprk their nuke program their rockets that guy has been having a party this entire time or Venezuela right you know people forget about how bad some of these regimes are for global stability M when they're not in the news every day and I think that's advantageous for their leadership and they see it and like all right well let's figure this out cu at the end of the day all they care about is themselves how vulnerable are we to cyber threats big time what what are the other vulnerab vulnerabilities from our adversaries specifically yes we talked about everything coming in from the border huge Collective threat that's just going to keep growing and metastasizing um and that includes a lot more of the physical stuff right the crime the fentanyl the narcot trafficking the sex smuggling that kind of stuff the Cyber stuff is in a different Lane um but could expose us just as much if not worse and I think we're very very very vulnerable to that just look at what crowd strike did you know shut down that's an American company run by James comey's buddy um is it really yeah James comey's for number two is Sean Henry the COO whatever it is and if this company can get as big as it did mind you this is the same company crowd strike that the FBI When Donald Trump was getting to the presidency and James come was the director you remember the whole DNC hack from Russia another disinformation campaign that said Russians hacked the DNC to try to rig the election for Donald Trump Comey gave gave the servers from the DNC to crowd strike to exploit have you ever heard of a time at the FBI surrendered its investigation to a private entity and didn't conduct its own surveillance and exploitation of that data I interrogated Sean Henry and 65 other people in a ro during Russia gate and we were unable to declassify his testimony for years so The Narrative of the DNC who attacked by Russia was out there what did Sean Henry say now it's Declassified we didn't find any evidence to support that wow so if the and you got to stitch these things together so when you're talking about vulnerabilities at the Cyber level who knows what other um traditional areas of expertise that the government has that they've outsourced right what do they give Facebook what do they give Google what do they give Twitter I mean we we haven't even talked about censorship and we know that is just a dominant plague in modern day media yeah and we're paying them to do it yeah so you got to go out there and find you know hopefully if Trump wins all of the this is another thing find all these contracts that we've given to all these companies and pull them why are you making money off of your corrupt activities because your friends from government then went to work at Twitter and then you got in bed with them and said oh we're going to have an election Integrity task force yeah yeah well cash I could uh this interview could go on for hours but uh we got about 5 minutes before you got to catch a flight so I just want to ask you you're close to Trump and if he does get in there and win the presidency what what do you think we can expect Improvement wise in the next four years I think my op opion is you you almost don't need to hear from me I don't know another candidate that put his agenda out there more in detailed delineated fashion than Trump his agenda 47 his RNC platform it's there in black and white and it's in super detail about what he's going to prioritize National Security defense law enforcement intelligence the border the never-ending Wars American hostages um economy infrastructure cyber electric I mean it's all out there so I think you know people always talk about what's he going to do on day one you know obviously illegal immigrants and all that you know hopefully does it all right away because I think that's the urgency that we need it it'll take time to implement but uh hopefully he comes in and says okay here's my agenda and I think that's what most presidents do they're like here's my agenda go you go do what you do at a you go do what you do at dod you go do what you do at FBI we're going to do what we do at the White House and everybody's going 24/7 I think it'd be a pretty quick fix for a lot of it some of it's going to take time um but I do think he'll end the forever Wars super fast I do think he'll shut down the Border super fast I do think he'll expel immigrants super fast and I do think that will give the economy a big boost as a collateral um result that would be great to see if you had three recommendations for the show who would they be to put on to put on oh man well we talked about the whistleblowers I think you got to have them on whistleblowers yeah I think collectively you have those guys on and I know them personally so I might be a little biased that'll be fun um two well I know the one guy you should definitely have on Trump well you know you're the guy that maybe he's two and three you're you're the guy that can get that done we've hit him from every angle I can possibly think of and have uh not had much luck so get that we'll put that motion and maybe don Jr uh I think that would be a fun one too but I I I think it's you know I appreciate what you do because I don't know that people know how much time and effort goes into doing what you do it's a freaking massive lift massive lift and the reach you have I know you see it but I I see it when I'm out there traveling every other day um for the job and it's pretty widespread man I mean you are you're out there so uh I'm gonna promise you that I will try my best to get Trump and you to sit down and have a chat um in the near future well I would love that and uh and I need everybody to make government gangsters the number one film in America sorry I had to put that selfish plug in there no sweat uh your book your movie will be linked in below and your foundation cash I know you got to run I just want to say thank you for coming in means the world to me and uh I hope to have you on again I'd love to do that thanks brother appreciate it thanks so much [Music] [Applause] man no matter where you're watching sha Ryan Show from if you get anything out of this please like comment subscribe and most importantly share this everywhere you possibly can and if you're feeling extra gener us please leave us review on Apple and Spotify podcasts