the difference between the Vietnam aret and one of the big ones and and the World War II guys they all did the same thing combat wise and they all had the same mentality but the difference is is that when they came back they they came back on ships they had about a month or 3 weeks or whatever it was coming back from Germany or whatever theater they were in that they were with their buddies and the guys they went over and fought with and they had to they had the chance to debrief and talk about you know their experiences and and move through some of that stuff with people that actually understood what the hell they had been through Vietnam wasn't like that I came back by myself you know along with a bunch of other guys that I didn't know you know they just happened to be rotating back at that time from various parts some of them were in saon they were all over Vietnam we had hundreds of thousands of troops there at that time you know I came back you know with nobody really to talk to about it or share about it and nobody in the states understood it they just didn't understand what it was like to kill people it's not a good thing